Friday, February 19, 2016

Academy Soccer

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83 comments:

Anonymous said...

We are not parents that complained petty things like demanding play time or get into any soccer politics because the norm, is it's really everywhere, the only thing that bother us parents, is when coache's son, assistant coach son including manager's son has to play all game and just gave other kids 10 min or not play at all ,this surely bring up morale of every kid 8n the team, developmental soccer academy is called developmental but because it crushes kids it does not develop them., My son was not given any boost in self esteem,that he didn't have to play at all,oh yes I forgot he was given 10 min because we were there in his support paying thousands of dollars to watch him sit down, one word of advise this particular academy thinks their practice can produce good soccer players to play internationally well they are wrong , that's why we can't be ready to compete to Europe and Latin country because coaches with their mediocre in talent sons as priority has to end,but who monitors them? coaches with sons in the team and yet they can't spot talent, because they're focused on their sons that they think they see .Coaches from schools and universities, commented the ones playing got committed already in college the ones on the benches are not but can't show because of this particular soccer academy mismanagement and delusion that their sons will become Messi or Ronaldo who don't have exceptional skills at all, may God punish these ugly people.

Anonymous said...

It's so impartial to have whole entourage of coaches, asst. coaches, directors, managers whose sons are almost half of the team, don't you think so??? Might as well call it a club not a sport team, should known better!!!

Anonymous said...

If your'e a coach , your son is in his team, he's for your eyes most only!!!

Anonymous said...

Of course , I am a coach I see my son as Messi or ronaldo,it can be delusional but I like the feeling.

Anonymous said...

Who cares who has skills or not as long as our defense are good, my boy in forward and my friend son is a midfield , we can goal , we care only of winning not talent that's different from ordinary, but we see if can win with friendly game against Brazil , turkey or france, can USA do that, seriously in near future please???

Anonymous said...

You can say it's the American way to keep trying and never give up but if you.re a 12 yr old boy and the coach refuses to play you because he has his favorites, what do you think is going to happen? This boy put so much into this sport, wanted a chance so badly. but was kept down so he would not be a threat to other players who were deemed more important due to sleazy deals made with the owners. Shame on all those involved. System motivated by greed and favoritism, not talent development.

Anonymous said...

Dear ussf academy Directors, this concern of ours parents is yours to answer, can you be kind enough to tell us, why in a particular academy of a team allow the coaches sons ,asst coaches sons,directors sons managers sons ,parents of those heads has to monopolize the whole entire showcase and every game there is, what's the chance of good players to show themselves if they are not being showcased at all, is it all about winning? I guarantee you theses sons of these greedy famed hungry delusional parents coaches, you put their kids in another team they can't function , nothing is special in their talents , nothing , no skills no exceprional technique whatsoever .... coaches from other colleges and universities commented that,just sharing with you....

Anonymous said...

Is this so called academy located in Somerset, because there are quite a few academies that play by this rule. In New Jersey their are 3 in particular!!!

Anonymous said...

Yes, but talking to other parents, this kind of throw children under the bus behavior is common at all area academies. If for any reason they decide to start ignoring a child, they feel that's acceptable.

Anonymous said...

The funny thing is that there are much better players on those squads and they get ignored when it comes to being selected to any of the US scouting events.

Anonymous said...

Dear ussf academy Directors, this concern of ours parents is yours to answer, can you be kind enough to tell us, why in a particular academy of a team allow the coaches sons ,asst coaches sons,directors sons managers sons ,parents of those heads has to monopolize the whole entire showcase and every game there is, what's the chance of good players to show themselves if they are not being showcased at all, is it all about winning? I guarantee you theses sons of these greedy famed hungry delusional parents coaches, you put their kids in another team they can't function , nothing is special in their talents , nothing , no skills no exceptional technique whatsoever .... coaches from other colleges and universities commented that, just sharing with you.... how you care.

Anonymous said...

Us coaches should be good trainers , both, not only one or the other. Some coaches don't know how to train you can't be a good coach if you don't know how to train.,that means you font know your job, can't spot good talent, shame on them ,,,,, lazy.

Anonymous said...

My dear parents welcome to our support group ,if there's one, hope there is but we don't need support group only to comment but a group to be heard in which none from the president of USSF academy does care at all, we need action ,U.S coaches need to be trained,to look for talented players not their sons are only preference, train everyone the same, we need American players to be competetive like Europeans and latinos,our us coaches need to be crosstrained abroad, so we have world class players. why US National team got German coach because most not all US coaches are not trained to coach, most of their priority are their sons and sons friends ,you know next door neighbor players, nada talent. IF Parents spend SO MUCH MONEY IN PAYiNG COACHES, TRAVEL , HOTEL EZ PASS TOLLS, CAR RENTALS , uniform fees, and subject our sons to bias treatment and favoritism, these coaches or so called trainers need to spend same amount of expenses to be trained by someone with expertise abroad,so they know how to coach kids and respect kids morally especially those kids that they bench who are also talented and never have a chance because they are not sons of coaches. ,

Anonymous said...

It's about time we hear more of this on this board. But who else is to hear any of it. The system is so broken. The wasted talent, effort and dreams of players. The wasted money, effort and time of parents. There are plenty of players in this country with the ability, desire, drive and work ethic to become professional players but are completely crippled by the system that is supposed to be developing them. Nothing's going to change so long as incompetence, laziness and nepotism are the key ingredients at all levels.

Anonymous said...


US COACHES NEED TO BE CROSS TRAINED IN EUROPE AND LATIN COUNTRIES , AND INVEST THEIR MONEY IN THESE FIELD AS A CAREER,just like parents invest their money to their kids to get good college and possibly as future professionals to represent America, because right now US is behind , let coaches Learn soccer first before they coach ,while Europeans and latino coaches are training success, most not all of our coaches are still swinging in the trees.

Anonymous said...

USSDA is adding u12 academy teams. How is this different from u12 pre-academy teams? Seems like the same teams, just different label.

Anonymous said...

Red Bulls already have 2 u12 teams. Maybe they'll start a u11 team.

Anonymous said...

you only have to look at how bradley and now klinsman push their own sons ahead to see how the system plays out below.
then you only have to look at klinsman's #2 and how he runs his local NJ academy to know the rest.

Anonymous said...

3:37

That doesn't just happens here, it is in every country. Your dad has to be somebody or you need to know somebody if you want to get ahead in soccer. Look at all the good players you see playing everyday and they get no where.

Anonymous said...

Other countries have academies which are real development academies. Every player on the team is treated with respect and given every opportunity to develop fully. Every player is encouraged and given equal playing time in games. There are child welfare officers to make sure all children are treated right. The US system fails in comparison.

Anonymous said...

3:48 PM
Things are not as you portray overseas. I will say that the training is better overseas and that is because they train 5 days a week and everything evolves around the kids playing soccer. The training is also more intense, 2 or 3 out of the 5 days you don't even touch a soccer ball, it is all strength and stamina training. The last days of the week is its tactical training and preparation for the upcoming weekend opponent.

But as per equal playing time, that is not true. For starters when a team trains, it is always the starters vs the bench. Number 2, there are only 5 substitutions and you are rostering 18 on a team that may have over 30 players. Also there is no 25% start rule. As I mentioned above, there is a starting team, so for most of the games the starters will play most minutes. Just like here, there are also coaches' favorites and those guys get special treatment.

Anonymous said...

That's not what
youth academy coaches in Europe say. We're talking about real youth academies, not club teams. If a child is in Barcelona youth academy, playing time is part of his development. Wins are not viewed as the most important thing at the youth level, These players are being developed for the future. Children are chosen to be in academies for a reason. True development takes time. The US just wants immediate wins.

Anonymous said...

I don't know about Europe, but that is how it is in South America.

Anonymous said...

The US will never have a national team that team that can challenge the best European teams until they change their youth development system.

Anonymous said...

We have youth players now that can compete with European or Latin or African teams but the wrong people are selecting the pool of players to develop. And to take it a step further the wrong players are being selected to represent the US in these friendlies and international tournaments. That was evident when the US 2000's played in Florida earlier this month. Any of the academy teams there for the showcase would have put on a better performance than the same cast of players they continue to suit up. And enough with the favors and nepotism to be selected to go to these camps. We could give the world a challenge with our youth coming up, who have been trained in the European model that is being taught in the MLS academies, we just need to weed out the favors and star players at u12 that aren't cutting the mustard at u15-u18. How many Union kids or PDA players do I need to point out to make my case? How about the players that go to IMG and play against no one all year but are in the national team coaches faces and get the cap. Didn't work out very well in Florida. I'm not sure our training system is broken rather our selection of these players is broken. I'll say it again. Take any of the MLS academy teams ranked in the top 5-10 in the nation and they would have made US Soccer proud at the Nike International instead of the sorry excuse of a team they fielded as the best of youth soccer.

Anonymous said...

Finally it is said.

Anonymous said...

So until you change the coaches nothing is going to happen. They are the ones selecting these players. If you look at the regional/US training center players pool, 60% of the players are coming from MLS academies. We have 80/100 academies in the league and you mean to tell me that most of these players have to come from MLS Academies. That is not right!!!

Anonymous said...

C'mon. Face it.
The MLS academies have the best players and will continue to get even more in the future.
Unfortunately, they follow the favorites philosophy as well.

Anonymous said...

It's more than 60% from MLS. It should be more like 90% since they get the best players. Let's face it, there is absolutely no reason why a player that could make an MLS academy team selects NOT to join them unless they have a back door deal with the DOC of the club.

Anonymous said...

So what you guys are saying that the only good players are in the MLS Academies. Come on!!! You are all drinking the Kool aid just like the national team coaches!!!

Anonymous said...

Again, just more nonsense that assumes that these coaches and scouts know what they're doing and know how to see talent. I think at this point we've all heard plenty of these scouts, coaches, etc talk soccer and player development. Let's face it, MLS is more like 90% same old crap from the US, good ol' American size and athleticism with a pinch of what so many true players have who are left OFF the MLS Academies... what the US calls the athletic specimen, what these coaches and scouts put above everything else because they don't understand soccer in the first place. Neither do 90% of the parents. We may as well just go back to the ODP system in the US, nothing has changed, in fact, it may be getting worse with this monster called the Academy. It's taken all the bad coaching and amplified it into thinking it's even more important and intelligent, the egos are even larger than they were before. These guys see a 6' 3" 200 lb monster and drool over him for their MF to create chaos, they fantasize about the entire team being that player, the perfect team. Occasionally they talk about how much better Barcelona would be if only their skilled players had size. Because eventually, if we keep going the way we are in the US, we'll crack that nut... who needs skill and speed when you have the athletes. They don't understand the sport they're teaching to yet another generation of soccer players. Meanwhile real soccer talent slips away. Anyone who assumes MLS Academies magically select those they truly should simply doesn't understand why we've still got it all wrong as a country, doesn't understand the game and why the US still can't play it.

Anonymous said...

I was really surprised when Red Bulls took a player at u14 who had very little skill and experience but was a big, physical player who could easily run onto the ball and score goals. I thought red bulls was interested in taking the player who has demonstrated skill and motivation and want to develop that player. By choosing the big, physical player, it shows that they're main interest is winning at the youth level. That's why serious, young players want to go to Europe for training and development. Disappointing!

Anonymous said...

When we have played MLS academy teams, I've noticed a few things. They have always been organized. Tactically they have been better then us. Shorter connecting passes with great player movement off the ball. They don't park the bus but rather they spread the field and have great ball movement, not sending the ball like other non-MLS teams I watch (including our team.) I've found the players to be incredibly technical. There first touch is always impressive and their footwork is nice to watch. Typically, MLS academy players touch the ball no more than 2 times before passing. Unlike other teams we play, including ours, that have several players that try to dribble thru the field. I don't see that much when we play MLS academies. Yes the players are big, strong and fast. But they have smaller players as well so I don't get it when people they only take size because they have all sizes from what I've seen. In my opinion, the best players are on MLS academy teams. I haven't seen a non-academy player that would start over any of the MLS academy players. Obviously, they must be doing something right in how they pick players. They do make mistakes in selecting players and they get cut or they find a player or 2 they might have missed but those players are usually non-impact players. Look at the freshmen and sophomores at the top 5 college soccer programs and even they agree and only select MLS academy players.

Anonymous said...

I remember going the Dana and Gothia Cup back in 1987 and watching the FC Barcelona youth team play at the 16 year-old age bracket. Unbelievable soccer. They had a player, Antonio Pinilla, who you thought would be a future Barcelona great. Goals galore and the press followed him everywhere at 16.

Needless to say he never made it with the Barcelona first team. No way to know how good a player will eventually be. Picking a player at the youth level is not an exact science. As a country we may be not as good as some, but I would imagine we are also better than some.

Anonymous said...

Looks like DA finally coming to girls side.....

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/sources-u-s-soccer-set-to-launch-girls-development-academy-in-2017-relegating-ecnl-to-second-tier/

Anonymous said...

Would there be any incentive for MLS academies to have a girls side? I don't think they would invest the money in player development because there aren't any MLS teams for women. I don't know much about the girls side but isn't ECNL academy level soccer for girls?

Anonymous said...

1:31
Yes, ECNL is the academy level soccer for girls, but it is not run by US Soccer, so US Soccer has no CONTROL of it. So this is one of the reasons US Soccer wants to start an Academy for the girls.

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Anonymous said...

Topdrawer soccer updated their boys u15 rankings. Philadelphia Union isn't even in the top 25. It does not reflect well on their ability to field a competitive team for next years u16 age group. As an academy you would think they would get top talent and be competitive on a national level. I was surprised to not see them ranked higher.

Anonymous said...

How does someone get selected for the IMG Academy 150 player pool. Do you attend IMG or do you get scouted while playing club?

Any explanation on this would be appreciated.

Anonymous said...

It's political! National pool players are selected and we know they can't get those players right but no argument that they should be in the top 150. Then after that its who you know. Each age has errors in the selection. It's supposed to be that players are selected from coaches other than yours.

Anonymous said...

wow...that is discouraging.

Anonymous said...

Rumor has it that Antonio Meza has been relieved of his duties as DOC/DOT over at NJCSA. Guess the almighty one could not even save himself let alone the organization. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Good Riddance

Anonymous said...

and Red Bulls got rid of Bob Montgomery er, well, they "reassigned' him -
http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-boys/new-york-red-bulls-announce-restructuring-of-youth-development-system/

Good riddance there too

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the academy evaluations have anything to do with the firings...

Anonymous said...

NJCSA needs to continue to clean house. Got rid of Meza. Next to go is their other Academy coach. PDA dominated both 16s and 18s yesterday- now coached by the same guy. NJCSA parents at the game tell me if you aren't one of his favorite 3 or 4 players, he completely destroys the kids' confidence - so much for this level being about development. Apparently not for this guy. I could certainly say that two 2nd half goals in the 16s game were a direct result of defensive substitutions he made. They have some good players but won't go far with this coach.

Anonymous said...

NJCSA 18's lost cause but 16's are in the playoffs
PDA 18s long tradition of excellence, 16's struggling other than win yesterday- do you say they should fire PDA's 16's coach too?

MLS academies continue to draw top talent - how long till they split DA into MLS/non MLS divisions?

Anonymous said...

NJSA's coaches have always favored Latino players. I hope the new owner and US Soccer realize that there is no room for racial bias in the DA.

Anonymous said...

Why was Mesa terminated at njcsa? Where is he now?

Anonymous said...

Players with talent, and who could, left the club in droves. At least the club held him accountable for the failures during his time there.

Anonymous said...

or the club used him as a scapegoat for its own failures - It lost a vibrant girls program, took forever to secure fields and wasn't able to sustain its own tournament. No coach is perfect. Mesa wasn't. But where is the accountability for the board and administration?

Anonymous said...

I think it is going to be known as Cedar Stars Monmouth starting this fall. Totally being run by Altirs. Is that correct?

Anonymous said...

Why is Cedar Stars academy split between North and South Jersey? Will they be one academy or remain separate? There's a cedar stars Newark division also. Confusing.

Anonymous said...

The multi locations fit a larger club ambition. If you look at the PDA model, (which works so I am not bashing) you need many, many younger teams to financially support a free academy- and to pull talented players from. One of the reasons NJSA/NJCSA now Cedar Stars Academy had struggled to obtain consistently high numbers of quality players was tuition. The pay-to-play dynamic forces management(coaches etc) to keep players others might have let go - AND - to lose players to free academies. Altiers influence does seem to be taking over and seems like a positive step.

Altiers helped with the facility issue also. By having North/South and Newark the pool of players and the financial support for the academy side gets better and better. The Newark team consists of mostly St. Benedicts' high school players - resolving how they can play high school AND academy would be interesting (like Shattuck Saint Mary and IMG academy who have true residential programs thru high school). In the meantime,better facilities coupled with sound finances suggests that Altiers is moving the Cedar Stars in the right direction (large pool of players with good facilities and removing pay to play seem like laudible goals) If achieved, NJ would have 3 academies providing free programming. Hope it works.

Anonymous said...

What will be Tab's involvement going forward?

Anonymous said...

hope he sticks with it but in reality TR is too busy with MNT and probably looking for a MLS/college team to coach - as recently as Nov. 2015 he was in running for top job with MLS Chicago Fire - http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2015/11/05/report-us-u-20-national-team-boss-tab-ramos-top-candidate-chicago-fire-coaching-job
so probably doing 'face' for Altiers' club but little real involvement

Anonymous said...

Did not know NJCSA board trolls this site and posts self serving aggrandizements.......who would've known.

Anonymous said...

I'm glad the NJCSA acknowledges public issues and wants to make improvements. Good Luck!

Anonymous said...

US Men's soccer team didn't qualify for the Olympics again. US wonder boy Matt Miazga was given a red card.

Anonymous said...

turns out its not just we on this blog who think that something's wrong with the DA (and USSF) approach that 'feeds' players to US national teams which can't compete. the article below argues improvements in scouting, funding and facilities are needed so maybe the thoughts above about Altirs are not "aggrandizement" but a recognition of long term problems.

http://www.howlermagazine.com/whats-wrong-america-spring-2016/

Although the article defends Jurgen in general, I'd love to hear how Pulisic gets a senior team cap on the same night when the u23s really needed him. Are we so worried about him getting"cap-tied" that we sacrifice the olympic cycle? Without large clubs providing free training, the DA will never 'produce' players - rather it will get lucky once in a while with players like Pulisic and otherwise our national teams will be filled with players that grew up overseas and received better training there.

Anonymous said...

What is the rule on Academy and HS soccer? How come some play academy and HS and others are not allowed? What is the loophole that allows it?

Anonymous said...

I believe that vouchers are given to academy players to play in high school if the player is attending a private high school and is receiving any scholarship money from the school towards playing soccer.

Anonymous said...

So you can play both. Why dont people do it, meaning all.

Anonymous said...

12:26

Like he said, you have to be playing for a private high school and receiving scholarship from that school. If you are attending public schools, you are not allowed.

Anonymous said...

Anyone playing for a private school can easily say they are receiving a scholarship. Hello, Mr. Athletic Director, I play for Red Bulls now but if you still want me for your HS team just give me some simple assistance and I can. Can not be that easy.

Anonymous said...

Try this - In the Spring/Summer during tryouts, do not sign any card or paperwork from the Academy you want to have your kid play for in the following season - currently the 2016/2017 upcoming season.
Play the High School year
Come back to the Academy after HS season ends (late October-mid November depending on run in State tournament)
Get carded as a DP (developmental player) thru the end of the Fall Academy season. Move over to FT status in the Spring

Or you can get a full waiver from the club and academy - I think there were only 5 given in the whole country.

Anonymous said...

I think waivers are an academy's dirty little secret. They don't want player's playing HS soccer.

Anonymous said...

No they don't want kids playing high school- they want to control coaching and training but riddle me this - Isn't the college game closer to high level high school than academy? Physical and quick? Technical? or is it a combination of both? USSF wants to take the top 1% from the academy to play for the USMNT (and good for those players). The real dirty secret is the sacrifice made by the 99% to support that 1%. Time spent at 3/4 nights a week practice plus weekend games plus 5/6 day 'showcases' in distant states for 11 months a year for the shot at a D1 program and the even more distant scholarship. Not sure the cost/benefit makes sense - especially when you see 1-2 recruiting spots at most high level college programs taken by kids from overseas who never heard of the DA.

If I had to do again, would have my guy play High School and figure out if spring academy season could still be done

Anonymous said...

4.4.16 9:50 hit the nail on the head. That is the simple reality and parents need to put their ego/vacarious glory in check and stop sacrificing the well being of their child. One other thing, that "scholarship" will be a 1/4, 1/3 or if a superstar 1/2 of the full monty.

Anonymous said...

Fine, having a kid in an Academy is akin to slave labor and child abuse.

The ECNL is planning on starting a boys side similar to their "top level" girls league. You'll probably get to play in high school as well. It will be "pay for play" so if you have the $$$, there will be other options.

Anonymous said...

Money grab by ECNL. They're going to lose a lot of girls to academy once a girls academy starts. They have to make up for the loss of dollars.

Anonymous said...

No need for it but it will work for a couple of years anyway.

Anonymous said...

As a parent who has been with NJSA04- thru NJCSA- Now transitioning to Cedar Stars - Monmouth- it has been challenging. Playing on bad fields, lack of communication, and other issues led to many very talented players leaving the system. With the news released yesterday- New World Class Facilities- 6 fields, futsal courts, Ferdinando De Matthaeis now at the top of the coaching pyramid, new youth academy director announced. This will be the beginning of a massive operation and Altirs deserves a ton of credit. He is fortunate to have a ton of money, and he is investing it in youth soccer. His track record of helping indigent families is much revered.
The bottom line is C NJ now will have the best facilities, the best coaches, and will be able to recruit the most elite players in C NJ. Why drive all the way to Zarepeth? Very exciting days- the town programs that are still busy playing daddy ball, chasing points for rankings, underdeveloping their talent now need to wake up and realize they are not academies - align yourself for the future- development and fun should be the start.
Thank you Altirs and Tab for finally bringing C NJ out of the dark ages

Anonymous said...

Let's see what really happens...

Anonymous said...

I hear you, I am optimistic though. Hope you have a great experience wherever your kids may be- all the best

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Anonymous said...

Does anybody know of any rumors coming out of Philly Union Academy?

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars- Monmouth had over 300 kids at tryouts on Thursday night- if you build it they will come. Word is U16 and U18 academy teams will be on scholarship to rival MLS academies and eventually U14's too.
Very exciting days ahead for Monmouth County and true develpmental model for youth soccer.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know how many of the new Academy teams they will have at Cedar Stars-Monmouth? 2004s,2003,2002s, etc?

Or will some of those teams be solely based up in Bergen?

Anonymous said...

both Monmouth and Bergen have 2004's, 2003's, and 2002's this year. U12, U13, and U14 respectively.

Bergen is only approved thru USSF for up to U14. Monmouth is the domicile up to U16 and U18

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Anonymous said...

NJCSA U16s are still undefeated against MLS academy teams. They just tied Red Bulls 2-2 yesterday.