While we're talking about players PF has "developed"? At tryouts last year they demoted or sent packing almost three quarters of the 02's and brought in all new players from other clubs (could be why that 02 club is actually a good team). Obviously they should have some other clubs develop some talent for their 01 team and then pirate that too, then they would have to endure 9-0 losses like the did. So where is great learning of skills that PF has promoted as there own? National players Shea Moyer or Rachel Dowart trained by PF? Unfortunately no, both joined as sophmore's or Juniors, but PF still claims them as their own. Speaking of development, lets take a guess at how many of PF's Npl players were developed enough to move up to their ECNL team over the last three years? You guessed it! That number would be Zero. Wouldn't you think that as great as PF coaches are taunted to be, that at least one athlete could be trained and developed enough to make their own ECNL team? PF really does have a good thing going and colleges do believe in their product, but lets not kid ourselves on how they build it.
What is your beef with PF? Clearly you have a personal issue. I don't care, I am just curious as your anger is personal and seems to revolve around NPL.
I am sure if you went around to many ECNL clubs where they have NPL teams, too, many don't have players that elevate. Where you have too many ECNL teams around (NJ, PA, MD, VA, etc.) the NPL teams aren't drawing the higher level soccer players. So, they aren't playing the same talent overall.
It just is what it is without dissing NPL as that is not my intent. But, you had to know this, right? So you thought your child would go from NPL to GDA or ECNL? Which? And, if you think she has progressed to ECNL, then take her to various try outs and see.
You know there are other clubs out there if you don't like the one you are currently in. Or is that news to you as well?
9:38 Wow, someone has sour grapes. Did little Bobby not make the da team in the last few rounds at classics or did you not like the amish store when you brought your sorry new york ass down here for the weekend to shop for real estate at a cheaper price?? Also a lot of animosity in these blogs for PF. As a parent of a daughter hoping to make da team, competition, competition, competition... Much development is up to your own daughter.... PF has been in it for the money and reputation. ECNL was the marketing route to go and they hit it big. Whether or not they developed or robbed the players, they can publish all the "commits" on their website and take credit for them.
6:34 There is absolutely no sour grapes with PF or any team for that matter. My daughter is doing great with the team she on and I truly hope all these girls facing a second straight year of transition, find the right fit for them. I do have get upset with parents that are foolish enough to not realize soccer is a business and these clubs will say anything to get your business (ours included). As mentioned in my last post, PF has done a great job with promotion of their product and bringing college coaches to the girls. Unfortunately many parents that brought their kids there as 12U players and spent big money for two or three years and thinking their kid was getting the best coaching, found out differently when tryouts came around. My point is that with a club like PF, you do need to spend that kind of money playing for them in the developmental years (12U-14U). If your good enough they'll take you over their current players anyway because money has no loyalty and this is a business. Often it seems that parents are the last ones to realize their kids ability level and where they peak out. There is nothing wrong with having your child play with a team that she feels comfortable with and can excel on, and more importantly PLAY IN THE GAME. That is where my sour grapes lie.
7:39 - if your kid was getting no playing time, then why did you stay? There are too many club teams around anymore to not go elsewhere. And, all are happy to help out for a fee as well. As you noted, it's a business.
But, if your kid is happy where she is then it's your issue it seems. Maybe a different sport would have been the way to go. It's never too late to try. Best of luck.
Man for some of you on here I hope your kid is going to be top 11 on that DA team later this year. College coaches will be attending DA games to scout individuals who have the talent to play at their school. Won't happen from the bench. Coaching matters and playing time matters. That's it. Bring those egos down and focus on what's best for her.
Coaching and playing time matter, but what matters even more is having a club coach that understands recruiting and has good connections. Without a coach that knows the landscape of college recruiting good players won’t have the same opportunities as a player with a coach that is respected by college coaches.
Dorwart went to Penn Fusion in seventh grade as a u13 player playing up at u14.
Julia Burnell u15YNT was a WCUSC B team player until u12
Zandi u17 YNT was a WCUSC u9 player and onward.
Moyer was trained by her dad until her FC Rev team graduated and then where did her dad think she'd get the best development until she went to PSU?
NPL to ECNL. Seriously? ECNL is U14 and up. Many kids go from B team to A team during the elementary years and vice versa. By u14 the only kids making the level jump are a late to soccer uber athlete who needs better skills and tactical training or a technical physical late bloomer who needs time. But PF would take a project player like those and put her directly on the ECNL team and tell her play time may be limited until the development happens. That way they keep training and playing at the highest levels, speed their development process and usually see at least 30 minutes a game.
Further all top teams by their nature cut and bring on kids. That's the nature of the pyramid.
Yup my kids play in the club, one was a "project" and we have been very happy over the years.
1048 Oh the other thing to note on your post is related to your statement regarding the absence of NPL players promoted to ECNL rosters. Ummm that promotion would assume that the NPL player's development was accelerated over an existing ECNL player's development since said NPL player would have to replace an existing ECNL player whom she had eclipsed. No one is saying there is no good youth development happening in other clubs. But because of the pyramid, their frequently comes a time when the best players on the teams realize that the best opportunity for both their development (training with and competing against the best maximally accelerates development I think we can all agree) and exposure lies higher on the pyramid. Not surprising then that around 8th and 9th grade many teams, especially those at the top of the pyramid, experience significant player turnover. If many NPL players usurped ECNL players that would then suggest that the NPL coaches are much better player developers than the ECNL coaches. They are both good, but which club doesn't assign their best coaches to the top level teams?
Totally not surprised that there was a big turnover on the 02 team last year. First off all teams look way different this year because of the age change. The age change all but invited players both in the first half of the year to look to upgrade their level. No brainer and not any dis on PF that some great players showed up at their tryouts. merely a testimonial to the fact that these families thought that PF presented the best value in opportunity for their child.
Todd Wawrousek has built quite a resume as a coach on multiple levels and now has a chance to add to that as he was picked the new women's soccer coach at Widener University.
Wawrousek was the women's soccer coach 17 seasons (1990-2006) at Gettysburg, leading the squad in its greatest run in school history. In compiling a 195-108-19 mark, he led the Bullets to seven NCAA Tournament appearances, two ECAC Tournament trips and five Centennial Conference titles. Wawrousek also in that stretch coached eight All-Americas, three Academic All-Americas and six Centennial Conference Players of the Year.
Along with the aforementioned academic success, Wawrousek's teams consistently notched between a 3.0-3.35 GPA during his time. That will fit right in with Widener, which has been presented the NSCAA Team Academic Award the last three years for having at least a 3.0 team GPA and last fall had 15 student-athletes named to the Middle Atlantic Conference Fall Academic Honor Roll.
Wawrousek, a three-time regional Coach of the Year and the 1992 Centennial Conference Coach of the Year, also served 11 years on the NSCAA All-America Committee and seven on the NSCAA Rating Committee.
Wawrousek also was an assistant coach for Vancouver Whitecaps FC of the United Soccer League. He handled all first-team logistics, had a hand in the selection of new players on a global level, helped with video analysis, worked with community and corporate organizations, and helped in speaking engagements. The squad won the USL First Division North America title in 2008, made the final in 2009 and advanced to the quarterfinals in 2007.
And there you have your Pa Classics GDA coach. Am I right?
Wawrousek is no stranger to PAC. He coached the PAC boys preacademy teams years ago. Preacademy was not a bad name in years past. Those teams held the majority of younger age group top players until they aged into academy. There used to be only 3 or so younger kids on the academy teams. I don't remember his being recognized as a super coach then. D3 resume isn't terribly impressive. Not impressed with this choice personally.
Yes a HS coach is much better! LOL One on a bad losing streak currently in the ECNL not to mention. Please who better to help with recruitment than a coach from the collegiate level!
10:41 - of course different kids have different stories depending on their ranking on the rosters at ALL clubs? Do you really think one is different than another?? Maybe you need to sample a few to find out. And, sometimes that is exactly what it takes.
My kid was undervalued at her prior club. She wanted to make the leap to ECNL and she has been her own success story. She puts in the work. She wants to be better. She does the extra stuff to learn as much as she can. She does this; all of this.
No matter where you are, the child has to be the one driving the bus. A good coach isn't going to tell to stop doing additional work/training as long as you are not over training. A good coach isn't going to prevent you from getting better; he/she will encourage it. But keep in mind, there are coaches out there that aren't good.
But that doesn't mean that what works for others works for you. You have to find what works for you and your kid. All of this is very individual specific.
1:24 - any club, including PF is always looking for good players. Don't let the boards scare you. Of course in all clubs some kids will be coming back. They are the spine of their current teams.
But, talent is talent is talent is talent. If anyone spots it, they are getting an invite. That's just how competitive sports works. That is why kids learn at a younger age, you have to always bring your "a" game and earn your spot.
For the person who posted the alleged PAC coaches' resume (which is very good and this is not directed toward him or his club at all), please know that the USL is the equivalent of the WPSL (the former W-League) which team is coached at Penn Fusion by CS & TM.
As noted elsewhere in digital media: "This is the inaugural season for the Penn Fusion SA WPSL team. The team won the Tri-State Championships with 8 wins and 2 draws for a total of 26 points. The team scored 36 goals and only allowed 4. Rachel Hill, recently with the U23 U.S. Women’s National Team and a rising senior at University of Connecticut, tops the scoring ladder with 11 goals and 2 assists for 24 points for Penn Fusion."
That team competed in the Northeastern Regional Championship vs. Wash Spirit Reserves and Boston Breakers Reserves.
And, Rachel Hill, as noted as being on that Penn Fusion team is now playing at Orlando Pride (originally drafted to Thorns and traded). http://equalizersoccer.com/2017/01/18/pride-acquire-no-14-pick-rachel-hill-from-thorns/
My friend's daughter was a defender on that Penn Fusion WPSL team and had a wonderful experience.
How many DA spots are they taking at PF? 11 start and DA rules say how many total subs in a game? Yea good luck. CS favorites never sit. Nothing new next year. Better off going to CFC to play ECNL.
My favorite part of this board is the Stepford PF parents that try to defend every PF action taken. 10:44 Wasted two paragraphs basically saying very little, but there was a lot of ECNL and NPL in there so maybe if he wrote it backwards, it would be an easier read. So your telling me that out of the last three years (just talking two age groups, 02s and 01s), PF has brought in over 30 players from outside clubs for their two Ecnl teams and not one NPL player was developed enough to garner a spot? Not one? And its not just Penn Fusion CFC recently traveled to Arizona and needed and the 00's extra player due to injury and being short players. Did CFC reach down into the NPL pool to offer a deserving hardworking player a spot? Hell no, they asked an 02 player to guest play (actually had a goal and an assist). If that doesn't tell you what a huge money grab the NPL has been, I don't know what will. Its going to be so much fun this year when the music stops and there is simply not enough chairs. The players will be okay and settle into a new home, but the parents that live vicariously through those players will be crushed. Except 10:44, he'll be fine with his daughter being able to dress for the game every fourth game, because he'll believe he's seeing real development happen.
Interesting comment regarding GDA playing time. For girls 7-11 on current ecnl teams who are used to getting plenty of playing time and starting most games, they are now going to be 14-22. With subs limited to 3 per game and starting spots and playing time guaranteed already to the"stars", these girls may only dress for half the games and play in 1 per month.
6:59 - from what I am hearing, there will be plenty of stars competing for playing time. This is what you want. So, one sits out a game and then plays the next. Happens in all leagues. Watch NWSL.
7:11 or you have great players pushing other great players. Win/win. Shame some don't want their kids to work hard to be recognized. Oh well, participation trophies to all is the mentality still. Good luck with that.
Don't be surprised when you are changing schools every other year too looking for a spot to play because my kid can't wait her turn. You'll collect plenty of school mementos that way. Love those coffee mugs.
7:11 - I get the feeling you just want YOUR kid to be the star and she wasn't. Or worse, maybe was and then wasn't or isn't. Got it. So, instead of pushing her you are blaming others.
OMG - Match Fit vs PDA, PF vs PAC, PF vs CFC Delco, Spirt vs VA and MD They are all great places for the people there, why does anyone even care about a club other than their kids, care about her team and their placement to get your kid to the promise land what ever it may be NT, D1, D2 or any other D
to the person who posted "please know that the USL is the equivalent of the WPSL (the former W-League)" is wrong.
The W-League was under the USL umbrella and some of the clubs most out west broke apart and created the WPSL - so for a while the womens D2 was either the W-League or the WPSL under D1 NWSL.
The W-league folded and in came the UWS - some of the East Division teams are the Western NY Flash (x-NWSL), Lancaster Inferno, Long Island Rough Riders, NJ Copa FC, NY Surf and MLS club girl side Real Salt Lake Women.
The "stars", unless injured, are not going to sit out games. The bottom half of these GDA rosters are going to find themselves in a position they never have before, sitting out games or not even dressing. They'll play in one in 4 games as USSF mandates but that's it. One week on, three weeks off. And you think this is going to make most players work harder and compete? Maybe some but I bet most become bitter and resentful. Remember mommy and daddy are telling little Mia she's better than those girls playing all the time, the coach sucks, it's not her fault etc etc. And the parents who are used to there kids being stars, now watching them fight back tears on the bench? Oh yea, it's going to get ugly. The shame is most of those girls 12-24 on the GDA would have been stars in their high school teams, names in the local paper, proudly walking around campus in their uniforms, and had they played ecnl be getting tons of college exposure as well. But them daddy couldn't brag his kid plays on a GDA team. Well she doesn't actually play much, but.., Everyone thinks it won't be their kid, but like the previous poster said, there's only so many chairs when the music stops.
8:01 - ah, wrong. My niece played with some of the current NT stars at Wildcats (W league) which evolved into WPSL. Many NT stars (current and past) played W League when there was no pro/semi-pro team in US or when they were in between leagues/league play. http://www.wpsl.info/ Check out the graph.
And the history of the W-League. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USL_W-League
8:48 - hilarious. I run into a lot of former high school sports studs who can't seem to get over that they WERE great and now, not so much. And, then I tip them well when they valet park my car. Good luck.
Funny, almost all of the most successful people I know in life where high school "stars" at something. Seems hard work and dedication are learned early for some and propel them to the top of their fields later in life. It's usually people who where failures in sports who don't understand the corrolation. They also seem to be the ones putting unrealistic expectations on their kids to make up for their own failures. So let me give you some advise, park your own Ford Fiesta and save the valet money for your kids therapy.
Oh, it's me, 9:26, with a last lesson, it's the ones that have failed at something that learn. Can't be great all the time. It's the kids that don't give up. Btw - one of my kid's is in her hs, league and college hof and was invited to olympic trials/try-outs. But, she didn't settle when she had the opportunity of being challenged at higher level. She sacrificed. Part of the ingredients of success. She has advised her sister to give up hs.
Lol. No bubble ecnl players stay at ecnl teams and play in the NPL. They all think they should have made the ecnl team. Better than the bottom few on the roster etc. They leave the club and play in the R1 league or for a non ecnl Club NPL "A" team. There is then a big gap between NPL #1 and ECNL #18. Those kids just aren't going to move up because they are a couple levels below. Only exception to the rule about which I am aware is at PDA. And they brought a NPL player up to the 00 ECNL. Dude who complains about the alphabet soup, hope your intelligence is adequate enough For your being able to follow that one.
As usual 9:36, your missing the point (must be on top of your head). The whole conversation started out about PF,s great development of players. But being a Stepford PF clone and not very bright at that, you carried into the arena you only know (soccer letters and how great they are). No hard feeling though and I hope your daughter has a great season, Lord knows she deserves it if she has to deal with an Alphabet Dad all day. I can just hear you now: "Now listen Mercedes, first I'm going to have you try out for PF GDA and then PAC' GDA, and if that don't work we'll head down to KOP to tryout for CFC and their ECNL team, but not their NPL". I don't care how much money I spend Mercedes, you will be on a team!!
10:18 With his blind faith faith of PF's structure and development (now there's a term used loosely) and his ability to spit out Capitol letters in small groupings makes him the perfect PF parent. Combined with just the right amount of arrogance by saying NPL players aren't worthy of consideration for the ECNL, even though their parents are paying customers and are told by Tino at the first Town Hall meeting that by playing in the NPL, they will earn the right to be given just that consideration. Now I do not know the Alphabet Dad personally, but I'm sure there's a few more like him. Taking turns singing Tino's praise and carefully dusting Tino's picture that sits on their mantle. But every once in a while when no one else can hear (especially Tino), they get together and whisper small complaints about something they don't like at PF.
I'm a Penn Fusion parent and I have loudly complained about a few items that are being addressed. I have no hesitation about reaching out to Tino. He has been nothing but gratious. So, overall, I have found my experience to be pretty good. But, nothing is perfect. I must say that it's pretty darn good over our other experiences, though.
NPL kids may have been considered and may still be in consideration. I have no idea. Go to the try-outs and find out.
Go to DA tryouts, waste your time bc the teams are already picked... Oh and it's by invitation only...oh and if you didn't pay for their id clinics over winter your wasting your time
So with PDA creating yet another team next year with the development academy that means they will bring in another 25 kids or so to their clubs player pool so with DA, then ECNL then south NPL then north NPL then shore EDP then potential 2nd south team and north Edp that is a ridicilious number of teams. Kids below the ECNL level barely get to play outside of league play and 2 tournaments a year.
6:54 you have actually wrote what PF hopes will happen. In PF's perfect world, they would become another PDA and garner national attention like PDA does. A merger with CFC would have certainly helped move towards that goal, but alas, as it often happens, ego's get in the way. 11:54 Nothing wrong with being proud of who your daughter plays for and PF does promote their product almost better than any other club. And Tino will always answer questions about whether or not parents can sit in on the team dinner, or is it ok if we come in late on a travel night before a tournament. He doesn't like be asked about late payments though (not his area) or why does Craig have the personality of a mannequin. I do appreciate that he sticks to his guns regarding the 24 hour rule on being approached after a game. It does give both parent and coach time to decompress.
I'm confused, I was under the impression that the Northeast Girls NPL was for the NorthEast ECNL club B teams. So with PennFusion no longer in ECNL how do they still have membership in the NorthEast Girls NPL?
I would think GDA Clubs would have their B teams play in either a US Club or USSF league or have teams in both to show the USSF they can play nice and are not part of the US Club vs USSF fued.
1126 FYI you use as many "alphabet soup" letters in your post as anyone does because that's how these teams and leagues are most efficiently described. Using them in language in no way says anything about a poster other than he is using the shortest identifiers for leagues and teams.
That said. Has your kid ever been on the bubble? Mine has. They aren't interested in being re labeled as a B team player that's true. I would not be surprised if many kids, esepcially the bubble ECNL kids who would have the best chance of being elevated to ECNL eventually, when offered NPL team at ECNL clubs decline the offer and instead sign up with another club's A team in whatever "alphabet soup" league.
I am only aware of 1 kid at one club, PDA who went from B to A. Know anyone else? I don't think its a commonplace occurance anywhere for a whole host of reasons, including the one stated above.
721 CS is as far away from a mannequin as it gets. Have you ever seen him on the sideline or watched one of his training sessions? That guy is as loud and animated as they get. Now I am not saying he is all good, but I haven't heard that one. The one I hear most often is great trainer poor game day manager.
8:04 I believe you when you say that maybe only one player (with PDA) has moved from the B team to the A team. But here's my question to you, why does Tino put the same rhetoric out there each year at every town hall meeting. Telling parents the advantages of playing NPL and it may offer then an opportunity to advance? My daughter is not a bubble player, but she like all others has flaws in her game and like your daughter, strives to fix them and improve. I like the honesty of your last post and see the logic behind it. My issue has never been with the NPL itself, the parents that pay for it and certainly not the girls playing in it. My issue is the deceitfulness of the some of the club officials when it comes to addressing its functions. Just be upfront about what your truly offering and stop being a used car salesman.
Agreed. 99% of the time, B and C teams are just there to provide a platform for kids to play soccer(and make money). Nothing wrong with that in itself as long as parents and kids aren't fed the bs of "your kid may move into the A team". Some kids just will not ever do well enough...not all are equal
If your kid is not on the 1st team (GDA or ECNL or any other league) they need to be the best player on the 2nd team to be looked at. They play full 80 minutes and are the best player on the field. If any kid is not playing full game on 2nd team then the coach/club doesn't think they are 1st team material. As far as lies, I think any club would promote a player from 2nd team in a second if they believe the player is 1st team material.
It would be crazy for them to tell the players you suck you have no shot you will never get better - so what do they do? they tell players you have the opportunity to be promoted based on your play. No lies if your best in 2nd team then you stay or you leave simple no need to call out anyone.
No need to hate, people have different opinions when it comes to what is good soccer and what is bad soccer, if it's not a fit split - or stay and let your kid work at it. If it's 2nd team then it's 2nd team maybe that is the best she could be at a club that will attract top players from other clubs - no shame in that. I believe any GDA club will attract the top players just like the ECNL clubs did before. Not all the top players in their region but more than 70%.
9:44 Have you ever considered working for PF? You stated that beautifully and PF should have you speak at the town hall meetings instead of Tino, especially since every fourth word is half German mixed in with something that sounds like english. You almost made it sound like PF has the kids best interest in mind and should consider going into sales.
9:44 here: I think any club has the clubs best interest in mind.
You have to keep doors open - you can't make anyone feel like crap and at the same time make a buck or two besides they have no idea who can really step it up and improve - you don't want to chase those players away either. It's up to players and parents to be real. Leave or suck it up and hope for the best for your kid while you hit message boards to complain since misery loves company (great band by the way)
For those who have done the PDA showcase before, will the non-ECNL teams have any games scheduled at the main PDA fields or will they be assigned to lesser fields where college scouts will have to go out of their way to attend? From looking at the schedules of the ECNL flights, it appears essentially all of the slots at the two main PDA complexes are booked for the ECNl flights.
For the very angry NPL dad/mom, I have an idea. Ask the coach if she can go to an ECNL practice session or two. Then, you can see yourself how she matches up. THere is time for additions to ECNL roster, if warranted. If it works out, great. If it doesn't work out, then you will be satisfied that she at least had her opportunity.
7:21 - my discussions with TM have been a little more substantative than team dinners, late arrivals, etc. But good to know your concerns were addressed, too.
@1pm. I believe you are correct, same this year. All ECNL will be at main complex or down road at Morningside. But you never know based on field availability. But it just makes sense. Then non-ecnl will be at Rutgers. Just to be accepted to pda showcase and put on resume is great. Many, many teams apply and declined just like Jeff cup. Here is the bottom line, win your bracket!
1:46 while I agree to place well for future events and the team resume.
The most important thing is to get those colleges to your games and since this is a showcase it might be hard to place well I just hope your kids show well. Either way good luck to all at that event.
Our experience is that coaches often have the top of the roster b team kids train "up" with the A team. Its not really a fair assessment I know because the kids are in unfamiliar environments and frankly the A team kids are not exactly thrilled they are there. But generally, they are a level below the bottom A team kid
11:58 Hmmmm. I guess all those guys ending up on their ass in the UEFA league are not playing soccer. Check out a D1 soccer game sometime and watch how many players get up off the ground. Soccer is a great technical game, but not everyone plays in the pansy and petunia league.
Playing tough and smart and using your body to move someone off the ball isn't intentionally knocking down. One shows skill and another shows lack thereof.
I just found out that PF GDA is taking 23 players. How many are other DA clubs taking? That's a lot of sitting and not even dressing for games. Can anyone tell me the substitution rules at this age for the GDA?
Only 18 dress. Max of 5 subs per game so 2 girls who dress are guaranteed not to play either. Can only sub on 3 opportunities and once you're out, you're done for the game. So a minimum of 6 girls will play 100% of every game.
Someone doesn't want kids showing up to PF tryouts. They never said they were taking 23. 20-22 depending on the quality at tryouts. Some kids told they have a spot in the DA true, but others told maybe depending on the tryout. Yes there will be more bench sitting by some players in some games, but the coach will manage it. PF will be one of the best teams in the DA. They are getting the top attacking player in PA from the 99/98 ecnl team who always played up. probably will be a lot of games with big leads at half as the league takes shape i.e. PAC Players 12-16 on that game day roster will get lots of time.
Also the Feds have not decided for sure if they will allow 5 subs like the boys or bump it up to 7. Also remember there is a 25% start requirement. Looks like the boys let those kids who will only start 25% get half a game in those games. Ussf are clear that they may alter any of the boys rules that don't fit best for girls. Check the FAQ list on the ussoccer website. That is specifically one of the rules they are evaluating.
So yeah it goes back to does your kid want to play/ train on the best team possible or play more on a lesser team. Some kids rise to the challenge and experience a developmental sharp increase in trajectory Promoted by a desire to improve and in a competitive environment some achieve levels previously thought impossible. Others however, possibly not seeing the field in some games, languish in despair and with confidence decreasing experience a viscous cycle of poor performance and less time. If yours is the latter and not going to be a top 12 or 13 player at PF I am sure there is a spot at PAC
Or look at it this way. Train under a top notch coach or one who can't even win his current ECNL games because he doesn't encourage his favorites to play as a team. Just get the ball to Suzie! That's the CS way. Better off heading to CFC.
Sorry not clear the older age will not take 01/02 up because they will be packed with top talent. They 01/02 will not be diluted as will happen in other clubs. PF will be a force and will compete well in the da with the added tryout players (100 registered and no NPL players have been invited to tryouts). That's at least 60 kids from outside the club and there will be significant adds. Final rosters will be very interesting.
Well if your kid isn't an impact player they probably don't want her. They won't replace one role player with another unless there is a perceived higher ceiling with the newbie.
You don't think that if the best kids from some of the edp teams show up to tryouts it won't be interesting? There are a lot of kids who have been told that the tryout will determine their inclusions. Yes some of the starters have been told they are in, but lots are on edge.
9:41 - seriously? just using my thinking cap here, but if it was about the $$$, then PF would have have kept ECNL for girls. It's about development. You have to plan for kids availability (they are still students; things come up re school) and possibly injuries.
9:41 - incorrect re bench fillers. The roster spots are just that; spots. Of course a few have been offered already. They know the player and her capacity. These are kids that would be on most GDA teams, anyway. Same with bubble players, they know what the player brings or doesn't.
If at this age, they aren't getting it as far as iq, technical and tactical, then why not for those spots have a pin in them.
Playing time and roster depth will always be determined after new team gets together.
11:15 Tino is that you? Don't you have better things to do than be on this blog? Can't believe someone would use the words PF and development in same sentence. PF isn't giving up any dollars at all, simply applied the ECNL tag to the boys side and went DA with the girls. They only did this once they realized they would never have a boys DA team and the girls DA was there for the taking. So stop with this horseshit that Tino would possibly have the girls best interest in mind and its not a business decision. Tino's already making backroom deals with CFC parents regarding the DA, going as far as offering both DA play and HS play in order to get them to commit. But don't worry, I'm sure he's being honest and putting this all out front to all the parents before they start tryouts. Lets face it, PF's has realized that they will never be PDA and this is the new direction they are taking. Taking this path has nothing to do with concerns over development or the individual players at PF. Not a fan of PAC, but at least their tryouts will be halfway legit and their directors do care about the girls that play for them. Unfortunately like most clubs, just not enough quality coaches.
Hey 3:45 here's a thought. Go outside with your kid; take a ball and practice. If you spent more time doing that instead of being on blogs, then maybe it would have worked out differently. Extra work only helps.
It's not just deals with CFC. Guess how many 'new' players will be at PF GDA and also play for the Westtown School? Hmmmm, I wonder if there is a connection there....
Sheeesssh 9:22. Only 4:48 is suppose to be on this blog. instead of debating any facts he just attacks the parent or the kids level of play (neither of which he knows). In fact the posting of any facts and mentioning their director in a harsh manner causes internal strife. I can see him now after hearing truism about his beloved Tino, clutching Tino's picture to his chest and rocking back and forth in a chair, sobbing........
10:22 - what makes you think I'm a PF member? I'm not. I just think loosers complain about coaches on a blog under anonymous instead of having face to face convos with them/him/her. It's called having soccer balls. Grow a pair.
345 MH and SK care more about the kids than CS TM and SS? Hmm. This isn't TW first time with PAC. years ago he coached the boys. I have no idea how anyone thinks a guy who was at best meh the first time around- favoring big and fast is some kind of huge upgrade over CS (say what you want about game day decisions, but pretty much all agree who have experienced him that he's a great trainer). Coaching at the d3 level (they will hire anyone not much there in the vetting process) does not offer any stamp of approval in my book. Unless your kid is a D3 prospect, why do you think he offers some holy grail on recruitment? The best 9th graders are well into the process if not sitting on offers while the 10th graders are done anyway.
Who is talking about life after college? This is a discussion regarding GDA- D3 need not apply.
Do you really think there is the same vetting process used for a D3 coach and maybe a single assistant managing a budget of $20,000 , versus a head D1 coach managing a staff including an associate, an assistant, a volunteer assistant, and a director of ops and an operating budget of $300,000? Do you think that the D3 head coach is paid the same as the P5 head coach?
Some D3s set a kid up well for life after college, but I like the national university's alumni networks as an important key to success. I always here this rationalization defending D3s as superior in the grand scheme of life blah blah blah in these discussions. If your kid could go P5 they will unless they want a 100% then they might consider the midmajor. Lots of mid major D1 kids at 100% were offered lesser percentages at P5s that is true. Those kids won't look at D3. Sure the higher level D3 players could play lower level D1 but beyond that to P5...no way.
he doesn't care if all the D3 players quit actually. There will always be others who will backfill the rosters. But...They won't have to quit they can play Pre DA
TW at PAC has a better understanding of the college process than those at PF. CS and SS are high school coaches and were both less than average players playing at D3 college programs. TM couldn't tell you the difference between Delaware County Community College, Delaware State or the University of Delaware. But at the end of the day, none are these guys are at the level of other DA programs as trainers. Other than the GK coach, PF has a sad crew of DA coaches and it's not much better at PAC. Both clubs need to work to find better coaches. I'd give the advantage to TW at PAC. Also the future of the GDA leans towards PAC. PF will have the success early on, but in future PAC will end up having the better program.
I don't disagree that PAC has a very bright future as a GDA program which will also draw from Harrisburg. There is a lot of talent there not willing to travel to Philly, but will make it to northwest Lancaster.
However, CS and TM at this point in time, have a lot more contacts with top D1 coaches than anyone at PAC has. TW's experience as a D3 coach does not give him any advantage in helping to manage the D1 P5 recruiting process. He will potentially gain experience as he gets some top YNT talent to work with and begins fielding calls from top D1 coaches, but as this point none of the top coaches know his name. He has no credibility with them. he can't call them and say, hey you should take a look at this kid in Sanford because i think she may be a good fit..
They all know CS and TM and they can and do exactly that often leading to placements. So in time, yes PAC may develop into the top Girl's program in the state, but they have a few years of relationship building until that will potentially happen.
I agree and disagree with some of the more recent posts.
1. Currenty ECNL top of the pyramid 2. PF solid teams at all ages. 3. FC Bucks not solid at all ages 4. CFC Delco not solid at all ages
New world for 17/18 season 1. GDA will be top of the pyramid 2. PF will continue to field strong teams 3. Is PAC another PF or FC Bucks/CFC Delco 4. ECNL still in play Bucks/Delco become stronger as PDA, PF, Breakers and Stars field GDA teams as their 1st team 5. USYS National league also still in play (Vegas and Disney events among the best in the country)
PAC can become great or they maybe another Bucks/Delco. Only time will tell
Yes they line the fields, but the top coaches have a few club coaches that they trust more than others. There are pipelines to these programs. TW and MH will need to develop these relationships. TM and CS already have them. Even for YNT kids trying for the top spots these relationships are helpful in sealing it up.
Three years ago TM was running the rec league at WCUSC and CS was coaching little girl’s teams. PF ECNL was already well established before these guys came into the picture. The YNT pipeline and college connections weren’t developed by TM and CS. So if a German with rec league experience can pick up on how to assist players with college recruiting, a well respected guy with extensive college and pro experience will have little difficulty at PAC.
TW at PAC has a better base knowledge of recruiting than both CS and TM as neither of the two had any background with college recruitment until recently. TW is also a better coach than any of the current staff at PF. TW will be just fine. He needs to improve the coaching staff PAC and not just with GDA. If PAC wants to do well in the DA they need to make sure they are doing a better job with player development with players 8U to 12U.
Except it isn't completely true. CS has always coached the 98/99 ECNL team since they were little tiny kids True he picked up the 00/01s now 01s when they were left by CB at u14 and carried them onwards into the recruiting years where he has negotiated ACC and Big 10 deals for them. TM had the 97/98 team through its recruiting years, multiple ACC, Big 10 and SEC deals. He and had the 99/00 through u15 after which time he remained active in their recruiting while SS got his feet wet in the higher level arena.
So where are your facts? Sure they still coach younger kids with the idea of bringing teams along. What's the issue? The CFC guys are starting to come back. Won't be many years until the merger works out. I think they are still working on it.
You must not know SK from PAC. His connections are golden. Get out of your bubble. PAC has been running a boys DA for years. They know what they're doing.
FACT. Female players from 2010 to 2016 were not placed by TM or CS. 2017, 2018 and 2019 are three years of TM and CS helping these kids with recruitment. The 2010's to 2015's and most of the 16's were not placed by TM or CS. The recruiting process started for the 2016's in 2012-13 year. TM and CS were not working with college placement during those years.
Also, many of the PF girls placed at P5 schools from the 2016 to 2019 teams had already been on the radar of college programs through Regional and National teams. Most of these girls came from other clubs and were already being recruited by P5 schools.
SK has never coached girls before so how are his connections to Women's soccer coaches so golden? Again, I don't have any doubt that PAC will grow to become a great alternative to PF. But for this year and probably the next, in the older age groups, they will have growing pains to which I would not want my child to be subjected.
If I had a 12-13 year old with potential to be a P5 level kid, and I was living in central PA, I would assume that the growing pains and relationship building would be taken care of before my kid hit high school and I would be looking to the club for my child. But this year and next, they will struggle at 01.
1211 Do you even know any of these kids personally? because you are very mistaken as to the path they took and who beyond the obvious of themselves and their families, helped them gain their college acceptances. At least 2 of the kids who have been YNT campers started with the club at u11 or younger. Another 2 were at PF at u13 or 14. The late adds to the YNT mix started at PF as middle schoolers also if i remember correctly. TM negotiated the 2016s no idea why you would say otherwise.
PAC will be a great alternative for players who would be 12-20 on the roster at PF. They will probably start for PAC and would have been unhappy at PF. Not sure PF will have near the growing pains that PAC will have in the older age groups. PF basically a turn key DA as they roll a decent or better couple of teams into one DA team. PAC will be rolling comparitively weak teams together and then will have to fill with outside kids. Best chance for them is if the 02s from PL return "home" to Lancaster county.
This is humorous. Clearly some of this is PAC rah rah is having convos with him/herself.
I'm not going to diss the coaches there. And, I happen to be a PF member. I will note for the conversation that one of my older kids who was not a soccer player in college (DI in another sport) has been offered several D-3 coaching positions as a soccer coach. Strange but true. Anyway, PAC should be fine.
Do I think it warrants leaving PF? Absolutely not.
@1:55 - of course this person is a parent. He/she is trying to get quality players to come over is how I am reading it. Eventually that may happen, but not in it's infancy. The GDA will have some kinks in it anyway, but will be worse at a start up team.
I think there are at least 4 Central PA 02s who are important to the success of that team. Wonder if they will keep driving? 2 I think are from Harrisburg.
Hahahaha. Important to the success???? You realize this is a new ball game. There are only 18-22 total spots on all of these GDA teams and there aren't many GDA's. How many are there between NY, NJ, PA, MD, VA? How many kids play soccer? Yeah, that's what I mean. At 02 if girls don't want to make the ride, other 02's will be able to step in and take the spots. Welcome to the top of the food chain. How it is.
Well basically all of the worries people had that none of the older kids would give up high school were put to rest. There were the usual PF 01s there but there were quite a few kids from lots of other clubs including from as far away as Bethesda. It should be a very competitive team. Are the PAC tryouts over? Will some kids who didn't make it get to tryout at PAC or other clubs?
This is a rumor board. Some on it are self-serving and intentionally mislead (i want to perserve my kid's chances so don't want many to show) and some are just misinformed. It's whisper down the internet. lol
Is this PAC rah rah still trying to get some traction? Seriously bud? From what I saw, PF can fill any spot pretty easily. Some very good players out there.
Sure kids went to both PAC and PF should that surprise anyone? Question is, do you think anyone expecting to start on PF refuses the offer to instead play for PAC? I see non starters looking to classics because of the sub rules. Will be interesting to see if I am right.
So forget the back and forth crap...has pf set their roster now? Do they have any other dates or just call TM to check in? Daughter is interested after the fact..
Pretty soon the music will stop and so many will be without chairs to sit in. I do feel bad for those player, but they will recover much quicker than the parents that will have to go to option three or four. All the time in total disbelief and denial over their daughter not being selected. In a few days if you listen closely you will be able to hear the tears dropping. So very sad.
Things will never change - it's just where you move your kid. Our kids wouldn't know about the GDA if we didn't mention it to them.
GDA games will be played ECNL games will be played NPL games will be played National League games will be played Regional League games will be played State Cup games will be played and many more games will be played
and all those kids and parents are having a blast supporting their kids and their kid's club regardless.
9:14 You are correct that soccer may continue for many of us, but for some the game already has. Although our country's overall number's are still incredible, participation itself is down by almost 1.5 million kids. Now of course everyone has their own set of numbers to go by and reasons that that there is such a decline. Beau Dure has written some good articles regarding youth soccer in general and although I do agree with everything he points out, I do agree with the general gist. Dure ask these question?
Is playing the game itself the best coach? Is US Soccer constantly trying to fix what isn't broken? Has youth soccer become too player-centric? I do not know about your area or where your daughters' played, but I do know some local clubs have disappeared from our surrounding area. Is it just that larger clubs are swallowing up these clubs or that kids are finding other sports to play. Or are parents steering them towards something with a lesser cost? For some the Music has stopped
Interesting. Here are my responses re the questions: Yes; Yes; Yes; Yes & no. Yes, some local clubs have been eaten by the bigger entities. No, I don't think kids are find other sports, entirely. I also think that kids are being steered to the bigger entities as they have the one-stop-shopping attraction. Such as better facilities, more coaches, more levels of player/playing, specialized training, soccer snob appeal.
No. I think parents are steering them toward more expensive then less expensive options thinking that is the answer.
Not saying they are accurate, but these are just my POV.
11:21 Those are good points and good answers to those questions (especially liked snob appeal). I think a lot of it has to do with the transition in field size when players hit U13 (U12 in some states). On the smaller field, local teams only need a couple star players and a fast defender or two and they can at the very least, compete with other clubs. That local team competitiveness evaporates once the field gets big and weaker players get exposed. As you mentioned, that is the point the mom and dads of the better players look else where. I'm sure many that are on this board have looked more for a coach whose system fits his daughters style of play than the club itself (especially from U13 to U15). This upcoming year is a huge year for our daughters, hopefully everyone finds a good fit.
that is a good question. There was only four spots left as of last week, and that's coming from the man himself. PF's DA should be really strong during their first year, where as it looks like Classics will be getting crushed on a regular basis. But the training will be great regardless of the outcomes.
@8:10 As of last week? So before the Monday "tryouts"? I'd think it's full now then. My daughter wants me to call. I know...a little late... I contacted classics and they said they are full. I guess your comment means you know the team..."crushed on a regular basis"
First of all, grow up. Second, is it really about team results at this point or getting your daughter top training and seen by scouts? It's not u14 anymore.
Both club's 02 rosters are stronger which should help when combined. I agree though, focus should be on the training and hoping your daughter is on the field and not the bench.
The best attacking 01 PF kid is just coming back from an ACL. Hoasnt played competitively this year. Combined with the excellent 02s the PF 01/02 will compete better with the west coast next year.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 3065 Newer› Newest»While we're talking about players PF has "developed"? At tryouts last year they demoted or sent packing almost three quarters of the 02's and brought in all new players from other clubs (could be why that 02 club is actually a good team). Obviously they should have some other clubs develop some talent for their 01 team and then pirate that too, then they would have to endure 9-0 losses like the did. So where is great learning of skills that PF has promoted as there own? National players Shea Moyer or Rachel Dowart trained by PF? Unfortunately no, both joined as sophmore's or Juniors, but PF still claims them as their own.
Speaking of development, lets take a guess at how many of PF's Npl players were developed enough to move up to their ECNL team over the last three years? You guessed it! That number would be Zero. Wouldn't you think that as great as PF coaches are taunted to be, that at least one athlete could be trained and developed enough to make their own ECNL team?
PF really does have a good thing going and colleges do believe in their product, but lets not kid ourselves on how they build it.
Baffled as to why they gave the DA team to CS? Because he's doing such a wonderful job now?????
What is your beef with PF? Clearly you have a personal issue. I don't care, I am just curious as your anger is personal and seems to revolve around NPL.
I am sure if you went around to many ECNL clubs where they have NPL teams, too, many don't have players that elevate. Where you have too many ECNL teams around (NJ, PA, MD, VA, etc.) the NPL teams aren't drawing the higher level soccer players. So, they aren't playing the same talent overall.
It just is what it is without dissing NPL as that is not my intent. But, you had to know this, right? So you thought your child would go from NPL to GDA or ECNL? Which? And, if you think she has progressed to ECNL, then take her to various try outs and see.
You know there are other clubs out there if you don't like the one you are currently in. Or is that news to you as well?
9:38
Wow, someone has sour grapes. Did little Bobby not make the da team in the last few rounds at classics or did you not like the amish store when you brought your sorry new york ass down here for the weekend to shop for real estate at a cheaper price??
Also a lot of animosity in these blogs for PF. As a parent of a daughter hoping to make da team, competition, competition, competition...
Much development is up to your own daughter....
PF has been in it for the money and reputation. ECNL was the marketing route to go and they hit it big. Whether or not they developed or robbed the players, they can publish all the "commits" on their website and take credit for them.
These Amish comments are hurting my feelings. Please stop. lol what the hell? Are you 10?
6:34 There is absolutely no sour grapes with PF or any team for that matter. My daughter is doing great with the team she on and I truly hope all these girls facing a second straight year of transition, find the right fit for them. I do have get upset with parents that are foolish enough to not realize soccer is a business and these clubs will say anything to get your business (ours included). As mentioned in my last post, PF has done a great job with promotion of their product and bringing college coaches to the girls. Unfortunately many parents that brought their kids there as 12U players and spent big money for two or three years and thinking their kid was getting the best coaching, found out differently when tryouts came around.
My point is that with a club like PF, you do need to spend that kind of money playing for them in the developmental years (12U-14U). If your good enough they'll take you over their current players anyway because money has no loyalty and this is a business.
Often it seems that parents are the last ones to realize their kids ability level and where they peak out. There is nothing wrong with having your child play with a team that she feels comfortable with and can excel on, and more importantly PLAY IN THE GAME. That is where my sour grapes lie.
@ 7:39
Sorry Jake, no offense intended
I'm short but I'm actually 12
7:39 - if your kid was getting no playing time, then why did you stay? There are too many club teams around anymore to not go elsewhere. And, all are happy to help out for a fee as well. As you noted, it's a business.
But, if your kid is happy where she is then it's your issue it seems. Maybe a different sport would have been the way to go. It's never too late to try. Best of luck.
Man for some of you on here I hope your kid is going to be top 11 on that DA team later this year. College coaches will be attending DA games to scout individuals who have the talent to play at their school. Won't happen from the bench. Coaching matters and playing time matters. That's it. Bring those egos down and focus on what's best for her.
Coaching and playing time matter, but what matters even more is having a club coach that understands recruiting and has good connections. Without a coach that knows the landscape of college recruiting good players won’t have the same opportunities as a player with a coach that is respected by college coaches.
Right on! At this age, that's almost all that matters. And will her coach be her biggest advocate?
The PAC DA coach is a perfect fit then.
Why do I get the feeling 8:35 and 8:37 are the same person just agreeing with themself lol
8:39
Really? Who is it?
Anonymous posts are awesome. You can carry on a convo with yourself for hours...
8:35
Continuing on that track -
what percentage of Division 1 girls soccer players do you think landed at their current school based on club coach contacts?
How about D2 and D3?
1048
Don't spread misrepresentations.
Dorwart went to Penn Fusion in seventh grade as a u13 player playing up at u14.
Julia Burnell u15YNT was a WCUSC B team player until u12
Zandi u17 YNT was a WCUSC u9 player and onward.
Moyer was trained by her dad until her FC Rev team graduated and then where did her dad think she'd get the best development until she went to PSU?
NPL to ECNL. Seriously? ECNL is U14 and up. Many kids go from B team to A team during the elementary years and vice versa. By u14 the only kids making the level jump are a late to soccer uber athlete who needs better skills and tactical training or a technical physical late bloomer who needs time. But PF would take a project player like those and put her directly on the ECNL team and tell her play time may be limited until the development happens. That way they keep training and playing at the highest levels, speed their development process and usually see at least 30 minutes a game.
Further all top teams by their nature cut and bring on kids. That's the nature of the pyramid.
Yup my kids play in the club, one was a "project" and we have been very happy over the years.
@10:11
Do you mean initiated by club coach or after college coach starts convo after watching your daughter?
All these PF stories are just proof that different players have different experiences depending on their ranking on the roster, end of story.
So is this new coach at classics :)
1048 Oh the other thing to note on your post is related to your statement regarding the absence of NPL players promoted to ECNL rosters. Ummm that promotion would assume that the NPL player's development was accelerated over an existing ECNL player's development since said NPL player would have to replace an existing ECNL player whom she had eclipsed. No one is saying there is no good youth development happening in other clubs. But because of the pyramid, their frequently comes a time when the best players on the teams realize that the best opportunity for both their development (training with and competing against the best maximally accelerates development I think we can all agree) and exposure lies higher on the pyramid. Not surprising then that around 8th and 9th grade many teams, especially those at the top of the pyramid, experience significant player turnover. If many NPL players usurped ECNL players that would then suggest that the NPL coaches are much better player developers than the ECNL coaches. They are both good, but which club doesn't assign their best coaches to the top level teams?
Totally not surprised that there was a big turnover on the 02 team last year. First off all teams look way different this year because of the age change. The age change all but invited players both in the first half of the year to look to upgrade their level. No brainer and not any dis on PF that some great players showed up at their tryouts. merely a testimonial to the fact that these families thought that PF presented the best value in opportunity for their child.
Monday night will be exciting!!!
if you talking about tryout at pf, good luck
teams already picked
It's true. Offers are out. It's just for show Monday night. New year, new DA, same PF!
http://www.widenerpride.com/news/2017/4/25/todd-wawrousek-steps-down-as-head-womens-soccer-coach-at-widener.aspx
Who can figure it out first?
Just testing to see if this comment gets deleted as well?
Todd Wawrousek has built quite a resume as a coach on multiple levels and now has a chance to add to that as he was picked the new women's soccer coach at Widener University.
Wawrousek was the women's soccer coach 17 seasons (1990-2006) at Gettysburg, leading the squad in its greatest run in school history. In compiling a 195-108-19 mark, he led the Bullets to seven NCAA Tournament appearances, two ECAC Tournament trips and five Centennial Conference titles. Wawrousek also in that stretch coached eight All-Americas, three Academic All-Americas and six Centennial Conference Players of the Year.
Along with the aforementioned academic success, Wawrousek's teams consistently notched between a 3.0-3.35 GPA during his time. That will fit right in with Widener, which has been presented the NSCAA Team Academic Award the last three years for having at least a 3.0 team GPA and last fall had 15 student-athletes named to the Middle Atlantic Conference Fall Academic Honor Roll.
Wawrousek, a three-time regional Coach of the Year and the 1992 Centennial Conference Coach of the Year, also served 11 years on the NSCAA All-America Committee and seven on the NSCAA Rating Committee.
Wawrousek also was an assistant coach for Vancouver Whitecaps FC of the United Soccer League. He handled all first-team logistics, had a hand in the selection of new players on a global level, helped with video analysis, worked with community and corporate organizations, and helped in speaking engagements. The squad won the USL First Division North America title in 2008, made the final in 2009 and advanced to the quarterfinals in 2007.
And there you have your Pa Classics GDA coach. Am I right?
CS resume
http://www.pennfusion.org/staff/476782.html
O M G
Are you actually comparing resumes??? Are you f...n kidding me?
Must be embarrassing to 2:28. Why shouldn't both resumes be reviewed? Do you not feel that's important?
Wawrousek is no stranger to PAC. He coached the PAC boys preacademy teams years ago. Preacademy was not a bad name in years past. Those teams held the majority of younger age group top players until they aged into academy. There used to be only 3 or so younger kids on the academy teams. I don't remember his being recognized as a super coach then. D3 resume isn't terribly impressive. Not impressed with this choice personally.
Yes a HS coach is much better! LOL One on a bad losing streak currently in the ECNL not to mention. Please who better to help with recruitment than a coach from the collegiate level!
And it's PAC for the win !!!!!! Just the same old, same old from PF .
Exactly. The same now for how many years exactly? Will this be 5 or 6 years under CS for most of those girls? Yikes.
Smart move PAC
10:41 - of course different kids have different stories depending on their ranking on the rosters at ALL clubs? Do you really think one is different than another?? Maybe you need to sample a few to find out. And, sometimes that is exactly what it takes.
My kid was undervalued at her prior club. She wanted to make the leap to ECNL and she has been her own success story. She puts in the work. She wants to be better. She does the extra stuff to learn as much as she can. She does this; all of this.
No matter where you are, the child has to be the one driving the bus. A good coach isn't going to tell to stop doing additional work/training as long as you are not over training. A good coach isn't going to prevent you from getting better; he/she will encourage it. But keep in mind, there are coaches out there that aren't good.
But that doesn't mean that what works for others works for you. You have to find what works for you and your kid. All of this is very individual specific.
1:24 - any club, including PF is always looking for good players. Don't let the boards scare you. Of course in all clubs some kids will be coming back. They are the spine of their current teams.
But, talent is talent is talent is talent. If anyone spots it, they are getting an invite. That's just how competitive sports works. That is why kids learn at a younger age, you have to always bring your "a" game and earn your spot.
For the person who posted the alleged PAC coaches' resume (which is very good and this is not directed toward him or his club at all), please know that the USL is the equivalent of the WPSL (the former W-League) which team is coached at Penn Fusion by CS & TM.
As noted elsewhere in digital media: "This is the inaugural season for the Penn Fusion SA WPSL team. The team won the Tri-State Championships with 8 wins and 2 draws for a total of 26 points. The team scored 36 goals and only allowed 4. Rachel Hill, recently with the U23 U.S. Women’s National Team and a rising senior at University of Connecticut, tops the scoring ladder with 11 goals and 2 assists for 24 points for Penn Fusion."
That team competed in the Northeastern Regional Championship vs. Wash Spirit Reserves and Boston Breakers Reserves.
And, Rachel Hill, as noted as being on that Penn Fusion team is now playing at Orlando Pride (originally drafted to Thorns and traded). http://equalizersoccer.com/2017/01/18/pride-acquire-no-14-pick-rachel-hill-from-thorns/
My friend's daughter was a defender on that Penn Fusion WPSL team and had a wonderful experience.
How many DA spots are they taking at PF? 11 start and DA rules say how many total subs in a game? Yea good luck. CS favorites never sit. Nothing new next year. Better off going to CFC to play ECNL.
For the PAC booster on the boards, this is current and she is playing in NWSL. She sought out PF to play on TM/CS's team, btw. So....
You're bringing up Penn Fusion's WPSL? Uhhh ok.
She was the #14 overall NWSL draftee. Oh and she didn't sit at PF either. But I guess that's bad coaching, too, right?
5:27 - it's the equivalent of the USL for women. So, yes, as that is in the resume you posted of TW.
Sorry if this is mind blowing to you. I thought you could keep up.
And, I am not dissing TW or PAC at all.
This is just evidence of some PF soccer information of which you may have been unaware. I like to use facts to support my views, that's all.
Yawn
The new powerhouse in PA will be be PAC .
My favorite part of this board is the Stepford PF parents that try to defend every PF action taken. 10:44 Wasted two paragraphs basically saying very little, but there was a lot of ECNL and NPL in there so maybe if he wrote it backwards, it would be an easier read. So your telling me that out of the last three years (just talking two age groups, 02s and 01s), PF has brought in over 30 players from outside clubs for their two Ecnl teams and not one NPL player was developed enough to garner a spot? Not one?
And its not just Penn Fusion
CFC recently traveled to Arizona and needed and the 00's extra player due to injury and being short players. Did CFC reach down into the NPL pool to offer a deserving hardworking player a spot? Hell no, they asked an 02 player to guest play (actually had a goal and an assist). If that doesn't tell you what a huge money grab the NPL has been, I don't know what will.
Its going to be so much fun this year when the music stops and there is simply not enough chairs. The players will be okay and settle into a new home, but the parents that live vicariously through those players will be crushed. Except 10:44, he'll be fine with his daughter being able to dress for the game every fourth game, because he'll believe he's seeing real development happen.
Interesting comment regarding GDA playing time. For girls 7-11 on current ecnl teams who are used to getting plenty of playing time and starting most games, they are now going to be 14-22. With subs limited to 3 per game and starting spots and playing time guaranteed already to the"stars", these girls may only dress for half the games and play in 1 per month.
You are right. If your kid isn't a golden child it could be a long year but they'll always at least have the training and those bragging rights.
6:59 - from what I am hearing, there will be plenty of stars competing for playing time. This is what you want. So, one sits out a game and then plays the next. Happens in all leagues. Watch NWSL.
7:11 or you have great players pushing other great players. Win/win. Shame some don't want their kids to work hard to be recognized. Oh well, participation trophies to all is the mentality still. Good luck with that.
Don't be surprised when you are changing schools every other year too looking for a spot to play because my kid can't wait her turn. You'll collect plenty of school mementos that way. Love those coffee mugs.
7:11 - I get the feeling you just want YOUR kid to be the star and she wasn't. Or worse, maybe was and then wasn't or isn't. Got it. So, instead of pushing her you are blaming others.
I was speaking in general as far as DA teams next year but thanks for your expert analysis of my kid?
OMG - Match Fit vs PDA, PF vs PAC, PF vs CFC Delco, Spirt vs VA and MD
They are all great places for the people there, why does anyone even care about a club other than their kids, care about her team and their placement to get your kid to the promise land what ever it may be NT, D1, D2 or any other D
to the person who posted "please know that the USL is the equivalent of the WPSL (the former W-League)" is wrong.
The W-League was under the USL umbrella and some of the clubs most out west broke apart and created the WPSL - so for a while the womens D2 was either the W-League or the WPSL under D1 NWSL.
The W-league folded and in came the UWS - some of the East Division teams are the Western NY Flash (x-NWSL), Lancaster Inferno, Long Island Rough Riders, NJ Copa FC, NY Surf and MLS club girl side Real Salt Lake Women.
The "stars", unless injured, are not going to sit out games. The bottom half of these GDA rosters are going to find themselves in a position they never have before, sitting out games or not even dressing. They'll play in one in 4 games as USSF mandates but that's it. One week on, three weeks off. And you think this is going to make most players work harder and compete? Maybe some but I bet most become bitter and resentful. Remember mommy and daddy are telling little Mia she's better than those girls playing all the time, the coach sucks, it's not her fault etc etc. And the parents who are used to there kids being stars, now watching them fight back tears on the bench? Oh yea, it's going to get ugly. The shame is most of those girls 12-24 on the GDA would have been stars in their high school teams, names in the local paper, proudly walking around campus in their uniforms, and had they played ecnl be getting tons of college exposure as well. But them daddy couldn't brag his kid plays on a GDA team. Well she doesn't actually play much, but.., Everyone thinks it won't be their kid, but like the previous poster said, there's only so many chairs when the music stops.
8:01 - ah, wrong. My niece played with some of the current NT stars at Wildcats (W league) which evolved into WPSL. Many NT stars (current and past) played W League when there was no pro/semi-pro team in US or when they were in between leagues/league play.
http://www.wpsl.info/ Check out the graph.
And the history of the W-League. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USL_W-League
But, thanks for the lesson.
8:48 - hilarious. I run into a lot of former high school sports studs who can't seem to get over that they WERE great and now, not so much. And, then I tip them well when they valet park my car. Good luck.
Ouch
8:58 - continued
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Wildcats
A list of some that played with her in W-League. Enjoy!
who cares about that? No one!!! Move on.
Funny, almost all of the most successful people I know in life where high school "stars" at something. Seems hard work and dedication are learned early for some and propel them to the top of their fields later in life. It's usually people who where failures in sports who don't understand the corrolation. They also seem to be the ones putting unrealistic expectations on their kids to make up for their own failures. So let me give you some advise, park your own Ford Fiesta and save the valet money for your kids therapy.
Hahahaha. I'm a soccer parent. I don't drive a Ford Fiesta. Oh and my kids are pretty successful as well. But thanks for playing.
Oh, it's me, 9:26, with a last lesson, it's the ones that have failed at something that learn. Can't be great all the time. It's the kids that don't give up. Btw - one of my kid's is in her hs, league and college hof and was invited to olympic trials/try-outs. But, she didn't settle when she had the opportunity of being challenged at higher level. She sacrificed. Part of the ingredients of success. She has advised her sister to give up hs.
Lol. No bubble ecnl players stay at ecnl teams and play in the NPL. They all think they should have made the ecnl team. Better than the bottom few on the roster etc. They leave the club and play in the R1 league or for a non ecnl Club NPL "A" team. There is then a big gap between NPL #1 and ECNL #18. Those kids just aren't going to move up because they are a couple levels below. Only exception to the rule about which I am aware is at PDA. And they brought a NPL player up to the 00 ECNL. Dude who complains about the alphabet soup, hope your intelligence is adequate enough For your being able to follow that one.
As usual 9:36, your missing the point (must be on top of your head). The whole conversation started out about PF,s great development of players. But being a Stepford PF clone and not very bright at that, you carried into the arena you only know (soccer letters and how great they are). No hard feeling though and I hope your daughter has a great season, Lord knows she deserves it if she has to deal with an Alphabet Dad all day. I can just hear you now:
"Now listen Mercedes, first I'm going to have you try out for PF GDA and then PAC' GDA, and if that don't work we'll head down to KOP to tryout for CFC and their ECNL team, but not their NPL". I don't care how much money I spend Mercedes, you will be on a team!!
10:02 - how do you know this poster is a PF stepford clone? I didn't get that. But, I agree with the rest of your post. Hilarious.
10:18 With his blind faith faith of PF's structure and development (now there's a term used loosely) and his ability to spit out Capitol letters in small groupings makes him the perfect PF parent. Combined with just the right amount of arrogance by saying NPL players aren't worthy of consideration for the ECNL, even though their parents are paying customers and are told by Tino at the first Town Hall meeting that by playing in the NPL, they will earn the right to be given just that consideration.
Now I do not know the Alphabet Dad personally, but I'm sure there's a few more like him. Taking turns singing Tino's praise and carefully dusting Tino's picture that sits on their mantle. But every once in a while when no one else can hear (especially Tino), they get together and whisper small complaints about something they don't like at PF.
I'm a Penn Fusion parent and I have loudly complained about a few items that are being addressed. I have no hesitation about reaching out to Tino. He has been nothing but gratious.
So, overall, I have found my experience to be pretty good. But, nothing is perfect. I must say that it's pretty darn good over our other experiences, though.
NPL kids may have been considered and may still be in consideration. I have no idea. Go to the try-outs and find out.
Go to DA tryouts, waste your time bc the teams are already picked...
Oh and it's by invitation only...oh and if you didn't pay for their id clinics over winter your wasting your time
So with PDA creating yet another team next year with the development academy that means they will bring in another 25 kids or so to their clubs player pool so with DA, then ECNL then south NPL then north NPL then shore EDP then potential 2nd south team and north Edp that is a ridicilious number of teams. Kids below the ECNL level barely get to play outside of league play and 2 tournaments a year.
PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA
PF PF PF PF PF PF PF PF PF PF PF PF PF
The saying "too big to fail" comes to mind...
6:54 you have actually wrote what PF hopes will happen. In PF's perfect world, they would become another PDA and garner national attention like PDA does. A merger with CFC would have certainly helped move towards that goal, but alas, as it often happens, ego's get in the way.
11:54 Nothing wrong with being proud of who your daughter plays for and PF does promote their product almost better than any other club. And Tino will always answer questions about whether or not parents can sit in on the team dinner, or is it ok if we come in late on a travel night before a tournament. He doesn't like be asked about late payments though (not his area) or why does Craig have the personality of a mannequin.
I do appreciate that he sticks to his guns regarding the 24 hour rule on being approached after a game. It does give both parent and coach time to decompress.
I'm confused, I was under the impression that the Northeast Girls NPL was for the NorthEast ECNL club B teams. So with PennFusion no longer in ECNL how do they still have membership in the NorthEast Girls NPL?
I would think GDA Clubs would have their B teams play in either a US Club or USSF league or have teams in both to show the USSF they can play nice and are not part of the US Club vs USSF fued.
Personality of a mannequin. Hahahahah that's great! Both are certainly fake.
I got my soccer alphabet all crossed up sorry.
US Club vs USYS fued
USSF is the big boss
1126 FYI you use as many "alphabet soup" letters in your post as anyone does because that's how these teams and leagues are most efficiently described. Using them in language in no way says anything about a poster other than he is using the shortest identifiers for leagues and teams.
That said. Has your kid ever been on the bubble? Mine has. They aren't interested in being re labeled as a B team player that's true. I would not be surprised if many kids, esepcially the bubble ECNL kids who would have the best chance of being elevated to ECNL eventually, when offered NPL team at ECNL clubs decline the offer and instead sign up with another club's A team in whatever "alphabet soup" league.
I am only aware of 1 kid at one club, PDA who went from B to A. Know anyone else? I don't think its a commonplace occurance anywhere for a whole host of reasons, including the one stated above.
721 CS is as far away from a mannequin as it gets. Have you ever seen him on the sideline or watched one of his training sessions? That guy is as loud and animated as they get. Now I am not saying he is all good, but I haven't heard that one. The one I hear most often is great trainer poor game day manager.
8:04 I believe you when you say that maybe only one player (with PDA) has moved from the B team to the A team. But here's my question to you, why does Tino put the same rhetoric out there each year at every town hall meeting. Telling parents the advantages of playing NPL and it may offer then an opportunity to advance?
My daughter is not a bubble player, but she like all others has flaws in her game and like your daughter, strives to fix them and improve. I like the honesty of your last post and see the logic behind it. My issue has never been with the NPL itself, the parents that pay for it and certainly not the girls playing in it. My issue is the deceitfulness of the some of the club officials when it comes to addressing its functions. Just be upfront about what your truly offering and stop being a used car salesman.
Agreed. 99% of the time, B and C teams are just there to provide a platform for kids to play soccer(and make money). Nothing wrong with that in itself as long as parents and kids aren't fed the bs of "your kid may move into the A team". Some kids just will not ever do well enough...not all are equal
He is fake as sh#t though and yes you've heard right 8:08
Thanks for hashtag.
Imagine how strong your comment would've been using the word shit!!!
You guys are all crazy.
If your kid is not on the 1st team (GDA or ECNL or any other league) they need to be the best player on the 2nd team to be looked at. They play full 80 minutes and are the best player on the field. If any kid is not playing full game on 2nd team then the coach/club doesn't think they are 1st team material. As far as lies, I think any club would promote a player from 2nd team in a second if they believe the player is 1st team material.
It would be crazy for them to tell the players you suck you have no shot you will never get better - so what do they do? they tell players you have the opportunity to be promoted based on your play. No lies if your best in 2nd team then you stay or you leave simple no need to call out anyone.
No need to hate, people have different opinions when it comes to what is good soccer and what is bad soccer, if it's not a fit split - or stay and let your kid work at it. If it's 2nd team then it's 2nd team maybe that is the best she could be at a club that will attract top players from other clubs - no shame in that. I believe any GDA club will attract the top players just like the ECNL clubs did before. Not all the top players in their region but more than 70%.
Some results and future matchups in NJ
USYS NJ NCS Quarter-Finals
1 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY 01 FREEDOM NPL (NJ)
0 PDA SHORE FUSION (NJ)
- FC COPA ACADEMY G01 BLACK (NJ)
- STA 2001G NPL (NJ)
- NJ WILDCATS FURY-NPL (NJ)
- NJ CRUSH FC STORM NPL (NJ)
0 WATCHUNG HILLS NJ ELITE 2001G FLAMES (NJ)
1 SJEB RUSH 01 GIRLS ACADEMY (NJ)
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US Club NJ Cup Quarter-Finals
- SJEB Rush 01 Academy
- Jersey Shore Boca Jr Elite-Manalapan
- NJ Wildcats Fury-NPL
- Mercer FC 01 Spurs
- PDA South 01
- Princeton SA IGFA 01 NPL
- STA 2001 NPL
- Watchung Hills NJ Elite 2001 Flames
9:44 Have you ever considered working for PF? You stated that beautifully and PF should have you speak at the town hall meetings instead of Tino, especially since every fourth word is half German mixed in with something that sounds like english. You almost made it sound like PF has the kids best interest in mind and should consider going into sales.
9:44 here: I think any club has the clubs best interest in mind.
You have to keep doors open - you can't make anyone feel like crap and at the same time make a buck or two besides they have no idea who can really step it up and improve - you don't want to chase those players away either. It's up to players and parents to be real. Leave or suck it up and hope for the best for your kid while you hit message boards to complain since misery loves company (great band by the way)
For those who have done the PDA showcase before, will the non-ECNL teams have any games scheduled at the main PDA fields or will they be assigned to lesser fields where college scouts will have to go out of their way to attend? From looking at the schedules of the ECNL flights, it appears essentially all of the slots at the two main PDA complexes are booked for the ECNl flights.
In the past non-ECNL teams are scheduled off site.
The U15, 16 and 17 ECNL teams are scheduled at the main site of PDA Complex/Morningside Fields.
For the very angry NPL dad/mom, I have an idea. Ask the coach if she can go to an ECNL practice session or two. Then, you can see yourself how she matches up. THere is time for additions to ECNL roster, if warranted. If it works out, great. If it doesn't work out, then you will be satisfied that she at least had her opportunity.
7:21 - my discussions with TM have been a little more substantative than team dinners, late arrivals, etc. But good to know your concerns were addressed, too.
@1pm. I believe you are correct, same this year. All ECNL will be at main complex or down road at Morningside. But you never know based on field availability. But it just makes sense. Then non-ecnl will be at Rutgers. Just to be accepted to pda showcase and put on resume is great. Many, many teams apply and declined just like Jeff cup. Here is the bottom line, win your bracket!
1:46 while I agree to place well for future events and the team resume.
The most important thing is to get those colleges to your games and since this is a showcase it might be hard to place well I just hope your kids show well. Either way good luck to all at that event.
Our experience is that coaches often have the top of the roster b team kids train "up" with the A team. Its not really a fair assessment I know because the kids are in unfamiliar environments and frankly the A team kids are not exactly thrilled they are there. But generally, they are a level below the bottom A team kid
2:01
You have to send e-mails, get the collegiate coach interested. Dont just rely on a stray coach tripping on her because she is "at the complex"
I would think they would send someone to RUTGERS - not like its Felician College - to see her.
Love some of the elitist, arrogant posters. Best wishes to your daughter!
Hope she picks up good qualities from the other parent.
The Sisters of Felix of Cantialice and Rutherford New Jersey do not take kindly to your disparaging remarks regarding Felician University.
Someone will spend some extra time in purgatory...
Yeah, we are already. it's called youth travel soccer. lol
Try-out season! any teams looking to add players?
Every team is looking to add players.
I was surprised by IGFA v PDA result in us club nj cup. Was the game closer than the 3-1 score?
Wow 1:24 - thanks had to check - prior to this season this board was IGFA vs NJ kind of how the U14 board was last year with PDA vs NJ.
I guess the 01 IGFA team not as bad as some said they would be after BYC and PDA South not as good as the NorthEast NPL is making them look.
1 PDA South 01
3 Princeton SA IGFA 01 NPL
Neither team that good
8:47 Stop being silly, Princeton defenders are always tough and willing to knock people down. Not your normal NPL team
Hahaha. Knocking people down isn't soccer.
11:58
Hmmmm. I guess all those guys ending up on their ass in the UEFA league are not playing soccer. Check out a D1 soccer game sometime and watch how many players get up off the ground.
Soccer is a great technical game, but not everyone plays in the pansy and petunia league.
Playing tough and smart and using your body to move someone off the ball isn't intentionally knocking down. One shows skill and another shows lack thereof.
Just because a person wears the powder blue doesn't mean they are a good player
I just found out that PF GDA is taking 23 players. How many are other DA clubs taking? That's a lot of sitting and not even dressing for games. Can anyone tell me the substitution rules at this age for the GDA?
Only 18 dress. Max of 5 subs per game so 2 girls who dress are guaranteed not to play either. Can only sub on 3 opportunities and once you're out, you're done for the game. So a minimum of 6 girls will play 100% of every game.
They are taking 23 so they have room to add a few more that they feel can challenge for a starting role.
NYCFC is only Taking 18 per team. Oldest group may be made up of combined 01/00/99's
PAC is taking 18 from what I heard
Or PF is taking 23 for the $$$$ and to keep players from PAC
Chances are most will sit the bench next year too. Shame.
Someone doesn't want kids showing up to PF tryouts. They never said they were taking 23. 20-22 depending on the quality at tryouts. Some kids told they have a spot in the DA true, but others told maybe depending on the tryout. Yes there will be more bench sitting by some players in some games, but the coach will manage it. PF will be one of the best teams in the DA. They are getting the top attacking player in PA from the 99/98 ecnl team who always played up. probably will be a lot of games with big leads at half as the league takes shape i.e. PAC Players 12-16 on that game day roster will get lots of time.
Also the Feds have not decided for sure if they will allow 5 subs like the boys or bump it up to 7. Also remember there is a 25% start requirement. Looks like the boys let those kids who will only start 25% get half a game in those games. Ussf are clear that they may alter any of the boys rules that don't fit best for girls. Check the FAQ list on the ussoccer website. That is specifically one of the rules they are evaluating.
So yeah it goes back to does your kid want to play/ train on the best team possible or play more on a lesser team. Some kids rise to the challenge and experience a developmental sharp increase in trajectory Promoted by a desire to improve and in a competitive environment some achieve levels previously thought impossible. Others however, possibly not seeing the field in some games, languish in despair and with confidence decreasing experience a viscous cycle of poor performance and less time. If yours is the latter and not going to be a top 12 or 13 player at PF I am sure there is a spot at PAC
Or look at it this way. Train under a top notch coach or one who can't even win his current ECNL games because he doesn't encourage his favorites to play as a team. Just get the ball to Suzie! That's the CS way. Better off heading to CFC.
Sorry not clear the older age will not take 01/02 up because they will be packed with top talent. They 01/02 will not be diluted as will happen in other clubs. PF will be a force and will compete well in the da with the added tryout players (100 registered and no NPL players have been invited to tryouts). That's at least 60 kids from outside the club and there will be significant adds. Final rosters will be very interesting.
Well if your kid isn't an impact player they probably don't want her. They won't replace one role player with another unless there is a perceived higher ceiling with the newbie.
How exactly will final rosters be very interesting when most spots have already been given out? At this point it's just bench fillers all for the $$$.
You don't think that if the best kids from some of the edp teams show up to tryouts it won't be interesting? There are a lot of kids who have been told that the tryout will determine their inclusions. Yes some of the starters have been told they are in, but lots are on edge.
Oh, 9:04 did you get bad news about your kid not being GDA capable?
10:25 is correct. And, kids from other teams ( ECNL/Nat'l League) may be coming out as well. It's try-outs. Anything can happen.
9:41 - seriously? just using my thinking cap here, but if it was about the $$$, then PF would have have kept ECNL for girls. It's about development. You have to plan for kids availability (they are still students; things come up re school) and possibly injuries.
9:41 - incorrect re bench fillers. The roster spots are just that; spots. Of course a few have been offered already. They know the player and her capacity. These are kids that would be on most GDA teams, anyway. Same with bubble players, they know what the player brings or doesn't.
If at this age, they aren't getting it as far as iq, technical and tactical, then why not for those spots have a pin in them.
Playing time and roster depth will always be determined after new team gets together.
11:15 Tino is that you? Don't you have better things to do than be on this blog? Can't believe someone would use the words PF and development in same sentence. PF isn't giving up any dollars at all, simply applied the ECNL tag to the boys side and went DA with the girls. They only did this once they realized they would never have a boys DA team and the girls DA was there for the taking. So stop with this horseshit that Tino would possibly have the girls best interest in mind and its not a business decision. Tino's already making backroom deals with CFC parents regarding the DA, going as far as offering both DA play and HS play in order to get them to commit. But don't worry, I'm sure he's being honest and putting this all out front to all the parents before they start tryouts.
Lets face it, PF's has realized that they will never be PDA and this is the new direction they are taking. Taking this path has nothing to do with concerns over development or the individual players at PF.
Not a fan of PAC, but at least their tryouts will be halfway legit and their directors do care about the girls that play for them. Unfortunately like most clubs, just not enough quality coaches.
3:45 poor guy. Can't live through your kid. Let it go. let it go.
Hey 3:45 here's a thought. Go outside with your kid; take a ball and practice. If you spent more time doing that instead of being on blogs, then maybe it would have worked out differently. Extra work only helps.
It's not just deals with CFC. Guess how many 'new' players will be at PF GDA and also play for the Westtown School? Hmmmm, I wonder if there is a connection there....
Sheeesssh 9:22. Only 4:48 is suppose to be on this blog. instead of debating any facts he just attacks the parent or the kids level of play (neither of which he knows). In fact the posting of any facts and mentioning their director in a harsh manner causes internal strife. I can see him now after hearing truism about his beloved Tino, clutching Tino's picture to his chest and rocking back and forth in a chair, sobbing........
Yes PF coaches lie. A lot. Most realize this or at some point will. Who cares though, if you like kool aid so be it, if not take your kid elsewhere.
10:22 - what makes you think I'm a PF member? I'm not. I just think loosers complain about coaches on a blog under anonymous instead of having face to face convos with them/him/her. It's called having soccer balls. Grow a pair.
345 MH and SK care more about the kids than CS TM and SS? Hmm. This isn't TW first time with PAC. years ago he coached the boys. I have no idea how anyone thinks a guy who was at best meh the first time around- favoring big and fast is some kind of huge upgrade over CS (say what you want about game day decisions, but pretty much all agree who have experienced him that he's a great trainer). Coaching at the d3 level (they will hire anyone not much there in the vetting process) does not offer any stamp of approval in my book. Unless your kid is a D3 prospect, why do you think he offers some holy grail on recruitment? The best 9th graders are well into the process if not sitting on offers while the 10th graders are done anyway.
Spoken like an arrogant fool who thinks the only way to succeed in life after college is to play D1!!!
Best wishes to you daughter!
Who is talking about life after college? This is a discussion regarding GDA- D3 need not apply.
Do you really think there is the same vetting process used for a D3 coach and maybe a single assistant managing a budget of $20,000 , versus a head D1 coach managing a staff including an associate, an assistant, a volunteer assistant, and a director of ops and an operating budget of $300,000? Do you think that the D3 head coach is paid the same as the P5 head coach?
Some D3s set a kid up well for life after college, but I like the national university's alumni networks as an important key to success. I always here this rationalization defending D3s as superior in the grand scheme of life blah blah blah in these discussions. If your kid could go P5 they will unless they want a 100% then they might consider the midmajor. Lots of mid major D1 kids at 100% were offered lesser percentages at P5s that is true. Those kids won't look at D3. Sure the higher level D3 players could play lower level D1 but beyond that to P5...no way.
you sound like you're the marketing agent for PF
thanks tino
only one way to make it. all you players planning on d3, just quit now, it's not worth it
he doesn't care if all the D3 players quit actually. There will always be others who will backfill the rosters. But...They won't have to quit they can play Pre DA
TW at PAC has a better understanding of the college process than those at PF. CS and SS are high school coaches and were both less than average players playing at D3 college programs. TM couldn't tell you the difference between Delaware County Community College, Delaware State or the University of Delaware. But at the end of the day, none are these guys are at the level of other DA programs as trainers. Other than the GK coach, PF has a sad crew of DA coaches and it's not much better at PAC. Both clubs need to work to find better coaches. I'd give the advantage to TW at PAC. Also the future of the GDA leans towards PAC. PF will have the success early on, but in future PAC will end up having the better program.
Well said 8:41. Couldn't agree more actually.
I agree 8:41 . PAC will be the Pa. powerhouse in the future.
Remains to be seen...but perhaps good chance
I don't disagree that PAC has a very bright future as a GDA program which will also draw from Harrisburg. There is a lot of talent there not willing to travel to Philly, but will make it to northwest Lancaster.
However, CS and TM at this point in time, have a lot more contacts with top D1 coaches than anyone at PAC has. TW's experience as a D3 coach does not give him any advantage in helping to manage the D1 P5 recruiting process. He will potentially gain experience as he gets some top YNT talent to work with and begins fielding calls from top D1 coaches, but as this point none of the top coaches know his name. He has no credibility with them. he can't call them and say, hey you should take a look at this kid in Sanford because i think she may be a good fit..
They all know CS and TM and they can and do exactly that often leading to placements. So in time, yes PAC may develop into the top Girl's program in the state, but they have a few years of relationship building until that will potentially happen.
Perhaps you're not familiar with the boys DA?
College coaches line the field at games. doesn't matter who you know...
I agree and disagree with some of the more recent posts.
1. Currenty ECNL top of the pyramid
2. PF solid teams at all ages.
3. FC Bucks not solid at all ages
4. CFC Delco not solid at all ages
New world for 17/18 season
1. GDA will be top of the pyramid
2. PF will continue to field strong teams
3. Is PAC another PF or FC Bucks/CFC Delco
4. ECNL still in play Bucks/Delco become stronger as PDA, PF, Breakers and Stars field GDA teams as their 1st team
5. USYS National league also still in play (Vegas and Disney events among the best in the country)
PAC can become great or they maybe another Bucks/Delco. Only time will tell
Yes they line the fields, but the top coaches have a few club coaches that they trust more than others. There are pipelines to these programs. TW and MH will need to develop these relationships. TM and CS already have them. Even for YNT kids trying for the top spots these relationships are helpful in sealing it up.
Three years ago TM was running the rec league at WCUSC and CS was coaching little girl’s teams. PF ECNL was already well established before these guys came into the picture. The YNT pipeline and college connections weren’t developed by TM and CS. So if a German with rec league experience can pick up on how to assist players with college recruiting, a well respected guy with extensive college and pro experience will have little difficulty at PAC.
TW at PAC has a better base knowledge of recruiting than both CS and TM as neither of the two had any background with college recruitment until recently. TW is also a better coach than any of the current staff at PF. TW will be just fine. He needs to improve the coaching staff PAC and not just with GDA. If PAC wants to do well in the DA they need to make sure they are doing a better job with player development with players 8U to 12U.
Well said
Except it isn't completely true.
CS has always coached the 98/99 ECNL team since they were little tiny kids
True he picked up the 00/01s now 01s when they were left by CB at u14 and carried them onwards into the recruiting years where he has negotiated ACC and Big 10 deals for them.
TM had the 97/98 team through its recruiting years, multiple ACC, Big 10 and SEC deals. He and had the 99/00 through u15 after which time he remained active in their recruiting while SS got his feet wet in the higher level arena.
So where are your facts? Sure they still coach younger kids with the idea of bringing teams along. What's the issue?
The CFC guys are starting to come back. Won't be many years until the merger works out. I think they are still working on it.
You must not know SK from PAC. His connections are golden. Get out of your bubble. PAC has been running a boys DA for years. They know what they're doing.
FACT. Female players from 2010 to 2016 were not placed by TM or CS. 2017, 2018 and 2019 are three years of TM and CS helping these kids with recruitment. The 2010's to 2015's and most of the 16's were not placed by TM or CS. The recruiting process started for the 2016's in 2012-13 year. TM and CS were not working with college placement during those years.
Also, many of the PF girls placed at P5 schools from the 2016 to 2019 teams had already been on the radar of college programs through Regional and National teams. Most of these girls came from other clubs and were already being recruited by P5 schools.
Yawn
How long before there is a NWSL team that has GDA? Coming soon from what I am hearing...
SK has never coached girls before so how are his connections to Women's soccer coaches so golden? Again, I don't have any doubt that PAC will grow to become a great alternative to PF. But for this year and probably the next, in the older age groups, they will have growing pains to which I would not want my child to be subjected.
If I had a 12-13 year old with potential to be a P5 level kid, and I was living in central PA, I would assume that the growing pains and relationship building would be taken care of before my kid hit high school and I would be looking to the club for my child. But this year and next, they will struggle at 01.
word is 01 offers are coming out
i think gda as a whole will be a building issue in the next few years, not just smaller clubs
1211 Do you even know any of these kids personally? because you are very mistaken as to the path they took and who beyond the obvious of themselves and their families, helped them gain their college acceptances. At least 2 of the kids who have been YNT campers started with the club at u11 or younger. Another 2 were at PF at u13 or 14. The late adds to the YNT mix started at PF as middle schoolers also if i remember correctly. TM negotiated the 2016s no idea why you would say otherwise.
http://wcusc.org/tryouts/417367.html
PAC will be a great alternative for players who would be 12-20 on the roster at PF. They will probably start for PAC and would have been unhappy at PF. Not sure PF will have near the growing pains that PAC will have in the older age groups. PF basically a turn key DA as they roll a decent or better couple of teams into one DA team. PAC will be rolling comparitively weak teams together and then will have to fill with outside kids. Best chance for them is if the 02s from PL return "home" to Lancaster county.
@1:15 see you tonight at tryouts!!
This is humorous. Clearly some of this is PAC rah rah is having convos with him/herself.
I'm not going to diss the coaches there. And, I happen to be a PF member. I will note for the conversation that one of my older kids who was not a soccer player in college (DI in another sport) has been offered several D-3 coaching positions as a soccer coach. Strange but true. Anyway, PAC should be fine.
Do I think it warrants leaving PF? Absolutely not.
you should read the funnies on the u15 blog today!
To the same usual PA parent, relax already! Drop the if PL players return home comment already. You must be a parent of one of them.
what's PL?
@1:55 - of course this person is a parent. He/she is trying to get quality players to come over is how I am reading it. Eventually that may happen, but not in it's infancy. The GDA will have some kinks in it anyway, but will be worse at a start up team.
I think there are at least 4 Central PA 02s who are important to the success of that team. Wonder if they will keep driving? 2 I think are from Harrisburg.
Hahahaha. Important to the success???? You realize this is a new ball game. There are only 18-22 total spots on all of these GDA teams and there aren't many GDA's. How many are there between NY, NJ, PA, MD, VA? How many kids play soccer? Yeah, that's what I mean.
At 02 if girls don't want to make the ride, other 02's will be able to step in and take the spots. Welcome to the top of the food chain. How it is.
More parents posting about their kid again. So obvious 3:05.
PF tryouts last night...
Any real news? No made up fake bs....
Well basically all of the worries people had that none of the older kids would give up high school were put to rest. There were the usual PF 01s there but there were quite a few kids from lots of other clubs including from as far away as Bethesda. It should be a very competitive team. Are the PAC tryouts over? Will some kids who didn't make it get to tryout at PAC or other clubs?
Interesting but not surprising. Rumor was that most spots were already filled.
I believe pac is done
This is a rumor board. Some on it are self-serving and intentionally mislead (i want to perserve my kid's chances so don't want many to show) and some are just misinformed. It's whisper down the internet. lol
pf girls were also at classic tryouts
weighing their options
as tryouts should be...
Yawn.
Is this PAC rah rah still trying to get some traction? Seriously bud? From what I saw, PF can fill any spot pretty easily. Some very good players out there.
True
The post only mentioned some pf girls were at other tryout
defensive much or can't read?
Neither one. Just stating truth as well. Can't you read?
settle down tino
You are clueless. He's too busy.
Funny part is me/my kid is not a member, yet. But you probably were. Thanks for the spot.
Sure kids went to both PAC and PF should that surprise anyone? Question is, do you think anyone expecting to start on PF refuses the offer to instead play for PAC? I see non starters looking to classics because of the sub rules. Will be interesting to see if I am right.
Agreed. The other poster was trying to be a pf dick..
So forget the back and forth crap...has pf set their roster now?
Do they have any other dates or just call TM to check in?
Daughter is interested after the fact..
Email him. Eail on the website and express interest. They are always adding impact players
Pretty soon the music will stop and so many will be without chairs to sit in. I do feel bad for those player, but they will recover much quicker than the parents that will have to go to option three or four. All the time in total disbelief and denial over their daughter not being selected. In a few days if you listen closely you will be able to hear the tears dropping. So very sad.
Things will never change - it's just where you move your kid. Our kids wouldn't know about the GDA if we didn't mention it to them.
GDA games will be played
ECNL games will be played
NPL games will be played
National League games will be played
Regional League games will be played
State Cup games will be played
and many more games will be played
and all those kids and parents are having a blast supporting their kids and their kid's club regardless.
so 8:39 The music will never stop my friend.
Anyone attend any recent ECNL team try-outs? Was wondering how they fared in all of this.
Our girls will be Sophomores and Juniors next season, why they would move this late in the game is beyond me. Good luck to those moving.
Good point. I agree, but some clubs opted out of ECNL to go GDA.
Does anyone know what going on with Boca - manalapan and NJX-holmdel. Multiple kids from each team seen at tryouts.
Both are done.
9:14 You are correct that soccer may continue for many of us, but for some the game already has. Although our country's overall number's are still incredible, participation itself is down by almost 1.5 million kids. Now of course everyone has their own set of numbers to go by and reasons that that there is such a decline. Beau Dure has written some good articles regarding youth soccer in general and although I do agree with everything he points out, I do agree with the general gist.
Dure ask these question?
Is playing the game itself the best coach?
Is US Soccer constantly trying to fix what isn't broken?
Has youth soccer become too player-centric?
I do not know about your area or where your daughters' played, but I do know some local clubs have disappeared from our surrounding area. Is it just that larger clubs are swallowing up these clubs or that kids are finding other sports to play. Or are parents steering them towards something with a lesser cost?
For some the Music has stopped
Sorry, meant to say "do not agree with everything he points out". Next time i'll reread my post before I submit.
Good luck to all at tryouts
Interesting. Here are my responses re the questions:
Yes;
Yes;
Yes;
Yes & no. Yes, some local clubs have been eaten by the bigger entities. No, I don't think kids are find other sports, entirely. I also think that kids are being steered to the bigger entities as they have the one-stop-shopping attraction. Such as better facilities, more coaches, more levels of player/playing, specialized training, soccer snob appeal.
No. I think parents are steering them toward more expensive then less expensive options thinking that is the answer.
Not saying they are accurate, but these are just my POV.
11:21
Those are good points and good answers to those questions (especially liked snob appeal). I think a lot of it has to do with the transition in field size when players hit U13 (U12 in some states).
On the smaller field, local teams only need a couple star players and a fast defender or two and they can at the very least, compete with other clubs. That local team competitiveness evaporates once the field gets big and weaker players get exposed. As you mentioned, that is the point the mom and dads of the better players look else where.
I'm sure many that are on this board have looked more for a coach whose system fits his daughters style of play than the club itself (especially from U13 to U15). This upcoming year is a huge year for our daughters, hopefully everyone finds a good fit.
Honest question...Is PF 02/01 GDA team roster finalized?
that is a good question. There was only four spots left as of last week, and that's coming from the man himself. PF's DA should be really strong during their first year, where as it looks like Classics will be getting crushed on a regular basis. But the training will be great regardless of the outcomes.
@8:10 As of last week? So before the Monday "tryouts"?
I'd think it's full now then.
My daughter wants me to call. I know...a little late...
I contacted classics and they said they are full. I guess your comment means you know the team..."crushed on a regular basis"
8:10
First of all, grow up. Second, is it really about team results at this point or getting your daughter top training and seen by scouts? It's not u14 anymore.
If your child is a sophomores or junior next season, is it a good idea to move from an NPL team to an ECNL team at this juncture?
Didn't Penn Fusion just get CRUSHED 9-0? Then go on to lose the last two games as well?
Both club's 02 rosters are stronger which should help when combined. I agree though, focus should be on the training and hoping your daughter is on the field and not the bench.
The best attacking 01 PF kid is just coming back from an ACL. Hoasnt played competitively this year. Combined with the excellent 02s the PF 01/02 will compete better with the west coast next year.
Too bad she's playing up with the u18's.......
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