I do think the "We have to travel because my daughter is so good" mentality is not for every family. You need excess time and money. There are good players and teams all over. I think these girls are too young for a lot of travel and the pressures that come with it,
What teams will take a step back and what teams will improve for the fall? I think Voorhees, Middletown, Marlboro, Nj rush, Nj Crush all get worse come fall
Nj rush was never good.
Yeah. I wouldn't put Rush with the others.
Marlboro is not very good either
Heard Hamilton/Rush may have lost some pretty good players is that true? Good team, handful of very talented kids. Not a ton of depth.
Would not classify Marlboro in that group. Good travel team but not in same league as the other teams mentioned.
6:57 that's true about Rush losing players
Going to MFA I assume?
Marlboro had a great 80 minutes vs Lyon in the state cup quarters...
Isn't MFA too far north from Rush's vicinity?Speaking MFA, I'm a little surprised that they lack a competitive team at this age - not too familiar with other ages. They're in an area with no shortage of soccer talent and parents willing & able to pay the cost of admission. Could it be that consumers are not pleased with MF's quality of product/service?
MFA formed a team at U12 that will be based at Mercer County Community College.
Did Marlboro beat Lyon? Wow! Guess they are a contender for sure.
@8:33Rumor has it that there will be a pay per view event for the match to determine the u11 EDP 8v8 1st division title.Rumor also says will be promoted by Mayweather Promotionz. *sarcasm* :p
NEWS ALERT: FOX SPORTS has purchased the rights for this match and has decided to televise this game rather then USA v. Nigeria.... Local commercial feeds will be the new Nike ads that state if you don't play for PDA you cannot play in college..... Also a commercial for all the soccer parents who need psychiatric help because your certain your 11 year old daughter is a step away from playing in the World Cup! EDP pick for the final 3-0 Voorhees... Shout out for a town team!!
"Did Marlboro beat Lyon? Wow! Guess they are a contender for sure."No.
Will WC use any of their new players? Edp rules are very open, I believe they are eligible?
v) Teams are permitted to modify their online US Club Soccer roster at any time during the season. However, the player must appear on the team’s roster prior to the start of any game in which the player is used.
Who knows. Will Voorhees use any of their new players?
Congratulations to PDA Barcelona on winning the EDP U11 11v11 1st division. Great job!
It was the ONLY 11v11 division nitwit. What a bunch of clowns.
Haha @ nitwit.EDP U11 11v11 1st Division champions sounds cool though. It seems like teams named Barcelona have a hard time losing right now.I actually enjoy a funny clown every now and then.Don't care for the sad clowns.Voorhees match on Fox Sports 3 (super low def - can only be viewed on tube tv's) - tomorrow night.RUMOR ALERT: Heard one of the teams may have brought in Alex Morgan's babysitter's friend of a friend's co-worker's daughter for a trial.
@12:12 EDP call the division that PDA Barcelona won Girls U11 11v11 1st DivisionPDA Barcelona doesn't get enough credit on this forum for being such a high quality team.
You mean like when Barons beat you 5-0 last month?
@1:12 Are the barons even going to have a team in this age group next year?
Didn't PDA Barcelona just have to beat SJEB 03G East to win that group/division?
Barcelona is nothing more than a money grab for the age group. That's pretty clear.
Okay. I now have a question. Opinions please.From a college perspective; Do you think a player would be better off playing for a PDA 'B' or 'C' team or a 'lesser' club?Define 'lesser' club in your evaluation/opinion.Curious where folks would delineate the value of the PDA name/exposure vs. other options.I know some will say 'why bother at that point?', but for many in the middle ground, it is the option they have or the springboard their player may require to advance.
U11 is too young still to worry about college recruiting. Kid may have no interest in playing soccer in college.
@ 1213I completely understand that it is too young. I forgot to throw in the caveat.I would argue that if your child is playing at a very high level, even at this age, odds are more in favor of them wanting to stick with the sport.I would presume if a parent is spending thousands of dollars in soccer for their child, there is some semblance of talent. Hence my assumption that there are indicators of the remotest possibility that the player is interested in player longer term.For this scenario could we please remove all of the immediate barriers and statistics from the equation and assume that college soccer may be in the picture.It is a complete 'what if' question.I would be cool if my kid decided to become a field hockey player. And that makes me cringe. Hahaha (no offense intended towards those who love field hockey. I just don't care for it.)I would enjoy seeing a statistic of the percentage of players that quit their primary sport willingly/by choice (excluding injury or health issues) after playing for an 'elite' level team.To define elite, let's say, the top 10% (or so) of the country in their age group.
Cart before the horse. Spend the time an energy on determining a good fit for a career. Help your student work towards that. If the educational institute they choose to help them with their career path affords them the opportunity to continue playing, go ahead (if kid wants to). IMO, college years are a rare opportunity for growth so use them wisely.
Voorhees beat World Class 3-1!!!
If your playing on a PDA "b" team - not Lyon, you're wasting your time.
So that's town teams 1 and 2 in the 8v8 top EDP league?
The "Town teams" prevailed! The Voorhees v. World Class was a very good game. Voorhees scored on a free kick to get their first goal of the night. WC scored in the first 5 of the 2nd half on a break away that took a nasty bounce in front of the Voorhees keeper. Voorhees 2nd goal came late in the half with about 7 min left. Final goal was scored with 5 min left that sealed the game for Voorhees. Both teams played very well. Very nicely matched. Both VERY aggressive, that the ref let most play on. Can't wait for both of these teams to meet again this fall at 11v11. I know both have added some great players. Have a great summer ladies!!!
Yes good game and fun to watch. WC hit two cross bars and had most of the second half possession but Vorhees held tight and scored on a counter to seal it. The first Vorhees goal was actually the one that sort of bounced in...the WC goal was a pass and shot that hit back of net.Fun EDP season and now the girls can enjoy the summer. Good luck to everyone as many teams go through changes and play 11v11.
Wonder if balance of EDP games will be played as some teams have 8 games .. not 9 at this point. So late in season to make up games ...
Correction...second Vorhees goal
Any good NJ tournaments in August ?
Congratulations Vorhees, Well done! And Congrats to all the 8v8 division 1 teams! It could have gone either way for the top four teams. That is some awesome competition!
9:21 - thanks goalie's daddy for the play by play. Way to try and minimize the WC goal.11:24 - thanks for correcting daddy's take on the game.
World Class finishes 3rd behind 2 town teams..I am sure that is sitting real well
I'm sure they don't care as chasing points isn't typically the priority with larger clubs like WCTough loss no doubt but they are probably still more excited about their state cup win this past weekend Who cares....in the end they are young girls playing a game
It is reassuring to see that town teams can compete well with teams from high end programs unavailable to most players,
Good point and pretty common at this age
Congrats to Voorhees. Guarantee nobody at WC is concerned about that result. Winning at U11 is nice, but not important.
It's funny, when certain teams win, it's important, but when they lose it doesn't matter because it's about development.
Yes congrats to PDA barcolna...great team that brings new players and doesn't even let the old players that paid for that year finish out the season I find that funny and think it's a joke.....
There is no soccer match that is really "important". It's just a game.
Good luck to all the (formerly known as) Rider Cup teams.
9:03 - That's because the coach and daddy manager that runs up and down the sidelines recording the games are both a joke.
Where/when is vorhees playing this summer? You guys are doing great - keep it up.
This sounds like the former pda south dad who was run out maybe changed teams again?
I don't know. All I know is he was very inappropriate towards the end of the game. Mind you the Bergen team was u10. They held up pretty well both games yesterday. But the west was getting a bit rough. Whether it's just because it's their style of play or because the little ones were giving them a tough time at first idk. He proceeded to tell the parents on Bergen you're u10 right. Did you expect to come here and win? No you expect to lose because you're u10. Continued to tell them to stop being a sore loser. Getting hurt intentionally is not being s sore loser. He then told them that getting roughed up is basically a part of soccer. Um no! Obviously this fool knows nothing. The object of the game is to see who is the most skilled to get the ball from point A to point B and score. NOT intentionally hurt your opposing team. That's the problem with parents on the sideline. Always telling their kids to hit, trip and hurt other players to advance and YES they do. I've had parents tell kids to punch my child and shove her down and then did exactly that. Coaches need to step it up and get on their players to play the game, go after the ball and not the player all the time. And before anyone tries to call me or my child a sissy, DON'T! My child can hold her own. It's just sad she has to worry about getting hurt INTENTIONALLY by girls who feel the need to play dirty to advance because they don't know how to play the correct way.Good luck to everyone playing today. Games look to be on schedule.
Any Lyon scores?
June 21 at 12:14 this guy is 5 foot 10 white spiked hair glasses army shorts and west t shirt.Iaf you do know him tell him he's crazy and p's the west suck.
No this guy was a bit shorter and had a tan and black hair with a black Adidas shirt on yesterday. Real jersey shore wanna be trash.
Lyons didn't play this weekend.
Sounds like you should be playing in your own age group. Nothing worse than when teams play up and ruin the tournamnet for the other teams. Then you come on here and complain about girls being to physical, what do you expect. You would have been destroyed in your own age bracket too.
I was a parent watching the game. Not a Bergen parent. That Baron West parent had no business acting the way he did regardless of what was going on. He was a typical douchebag as he still is today coaching his kid from the sideline.
Are the Lyons playing at all this summer. What about vorhees? I know world class puts a summer select team together and plays under Montclair United.
Why would anyone watch those teams play if you weren't a parent? Please stop the nonsense and stay at your own age group, plenty of much better teams than yours at that age.
There were other teams waiting to take the field ya know???? You are so bright. I'm taking it you are a barons west parent? How about the Barons west parents offer to pay for the elderly gentlemens vehicle that got beat up from YOUR canopy???? How about instead of looking at him like he did something wrong, you apologize instead of being ignorant fools!
Lyon was in a shore tournament? Any results? Not sure which one.
PDA Lion and Blue played in Neptune tourney. Played up at u12.
"Are the Lyons playing at all this summer. What about vorhees? I know world class puts a summer select team together and plays under Montclair United."No offense but its Lyon - like after the French club Olympique Lyonais FC - nothing to do with animals.They played in up in Neptune. Won the top U12 bracket beating one of the very few teams that had beaten them before - in last years final...
at 4:04amazing that someone can call people ignorant without knowing facts. 1. people were more concerned about kids being hurt than someone's car. 2. to suggest that compensation should be made for a situation that no one could control is like saying that if a car was hit with a soccer ball and it broke the window, the kid that kicked the ball should pay for it. 3. anyone that parks their car in front of a soccer field should now there is an inherent risk that an object could hit their car.4. it's better to keep your mouth shut, than open it up and remove all doubt.
Regarding the Bergen Team.I am the manager for the SJEB Barons West Team.I would like to apologize on behalf of our Team for the behavior of the parent that was making comments. Bergen has a strong group of girls in the ranks and I applaud having them play up.After reading these comments, I know who the parent is and it will be addressed. This behavior is not representative of our Team or our Club. Regarding the physical play, I acknowledge our girls play physical, as they have been pushed around by some other strong teams they have learned to be physical. The coach nor the club encourages any of the players to be hacks.If you have any other concerns, please email me at firstname.lastname@example.org
Physical play is part of the game. Get over it and let the ref do their jobs. I see parents complain when their kids get banged around and clap/cheer when their kids dish it out. If your kid can't adjust and play a physical game, might want to try swimming.
@8:16You truly are what is wrong with this world. Educated, civilized people are accountable for their actions, accidental or not. Life is lot more than GTL.
@816More worried about the kids than someone's car? And? What does that have to do after the fact when you all packed your Canopys away? You couldn't come over to apologize with what happened to the vehicle? Yes you are held accountable for actions. If my kid broke a windshield I would apologize and offer to pay for it. That's how life works. If you are an adult act like an adult. You sir or ma'am is what's wrong with the world today. I guess if you had a dog and it bit someone you would think you didn't need to be held accountable for that either right? With all your hostility in your post I'm starting to think your momma didn't love you enough or didn't breast feed you.
I'm not from either team, but the bergen team should crawl back down to u10. Move on, from the looks of the scores, you never should have played up, you are an average at best town team in u10. Soccer is a physical sport, especially when playing against bigger, faster and older girls.
bulldogs should be playing u9 , then maybe they will compete.
It's a shame the barons west parents are saying these things about the Bergen girls. I remember a certain team (Barons cough West) who couldn't even hang with the teams in their first season of EDP. Last place you finished right? In your own age group. But did you guys give up? No, you pushed on to become better playing better teams. PDA Lyon probably says the same about you guys that's why they play up. Why try to tear down a bunch of little girls who want to do just that? Play better teams to become better. You guys now seem to think you are the best. If BW wanted better competition maybe you should have been in the other bracket instead of trying to chase points. Those U10 Bergen girls played pretty well. First time aged up and first time playing 11v11. If anyone from Bergen is on here please tell the U10 girls they did fine. Don't let some pricks get them down. It's not worth it. These are probably the same guys who put their wives down when the dishes and laundry isn't done.
There is no reason to not have the dishes and laundry done
Just an fyi, I have nothing to do with Barron's and could care less about them. I think they are below average too for only beating you 5 to zero. all comments are based on you being on this blog and your crying about physical play in a sport that is physical. I'm sure this is your first time lady. You guys have some nice dance programs available, you sound like a dance mom from the tv show.
At 1:11...You are absolutly correct and the Barons West still has a way to go to really be able to compete with the level of PDA and the sorts. Teams don't get better unless they play higher level teams. Don't let 1 parents comments paint a picture of the whole team. The Bergen crew had a great weekend for showing on the 11v11 field. @ 2:00...The reason it stopped at 5 was because the coach knows that to keep running up points can be demoralizing as that scenario has happened to the West quite a few times. He instructed the girls they had to pass 15 times before they could shoot.
This is funny stuff - always interesting when different genders comment. I think they have a tv show already about Bergen moms.I think there is a club called rysa that you can play for, and lot less money, same training and better athletes.
Maybe this is why Barons West is losing their players.
Kudos to the Barons for pulling back on the reigns.No need to run the score up more than 4 anyway. I believe the rules were a 4 goal differential maximum per match.Some of the values of a tournament during the summer is to be able to expose your players to different teams / players / coaches / challenges. I can assure you the losing team tends to learn more from the match than the victor.I wonder if it would help to have psychiatrists open up a booth at these tournaments. Think of the business opportunity there. Haha
Barons West isn't loosing players. They were carrying a full roster. 2 were dropped, 3 left, and 2 were added.
Not much of a showing from Sjeb east this past weekend teams looks like it has gotten worse and not better...they use to kill PDA Barcelona and they lose to them...I hope they add some players for the fall..team use to look very strong...any movement there at all is that why they are not playing as well
Please don't judge SJEB of a performance against PDA BARCELONA anyone close to that team knows the facts #1 they used over 5 new and guest players this weekend # 2 its run by a father that is fact he is behind all moves # 3 total lack of skilled training #4 they have lost enough girls over the last 3 years to have had the best u 12 team around in a while . The barons will be just fine. Lastly parents at what point do coaches develop players or just pay to play players . BT.
It's hilarious to read how people bash the Barons, but more specifically the Barons U11 West. Basing your comments of all our parents and our team based on the comments of ONE parent to the Bergen parent(s). That makes you as ignorant as the person making the original comment. As all the OTHER parents on our team, we all said that the Bergen team was a strong team that with time will be a powerhouse. We gave them all the credit in the world for playing up and especially 11v11. I guess you didn't hear the other 20+ parents saying that??? Or the other kudos we were giving the girls. Be happy your Bergen Girls played hard, played physical and never gave up against an older and bigger team. I was impressed by their performance and so should you. None of our girls were trying to intentionally trying to hurt your girls. Your coach should have explained that playing up in EDP is going to be physical. Blame him / her if you feel your girls were getting bounced around. Our girls, like EVERY OTHER TEAM we have and will continue to play, play physically as soccer should be played.We don't think we are the "best" as some other genius stated. We know we need a LOT of work and will continue to get better. We have played the best team in the state 3 times (PDA Lyon) and got our butts handed to us every time, but we showed up and got a little better each and every time. Our team wanted to play in the top flight and weren't happy that we didn't. Three of the 5 times we played before and won against. Not saying that to insinuate we are better, I am saying that because we felt that is our level of competition. We weren't chasing points because we all know the point system is a joke and completely inaccurate. AND LASTLY as far as the canopy goes, you have NO idea what the facts are regarding that. Did two canopies blow over into the parking lot? YEP. Did one land on a car? YEP. Did the owner of the car identify who they were? NOPE. When the person with the tent asked who owned the car do you know what they were told? NOPE. So don't act like anyone was trying to avoid what happened. Get the facts and then open your mouth.
We have played the Barons West team a few times and the parents / players have all been good. The games were physical and hard played by both teams. We have even had Barons parents compliment our girls after a time we beat them. So I don't know what the issue is. Sounds like one "soccer mom" who is upset her daughter lost.
Wait a minute, I thought Vorqueefe was the best in the state?? SJEB is a great program. Don't let the actions of a single parent affect what you think of them. You guys should just kick the daughter off the team.
I've seen both teams play Vorhees at this point wouldn't have a chance against Lyon. I'm sure the gap will even widen when PDA adds quality players and vorhees loses them. It's prob a game that will never happen. Prob a good thing for vorhees. I'm not saying they are a good team just not in the same league. I'm not a PDA parent. I've actually seen vorhees play more over the years.
SDFC 6-0 over PDA South Barcelona, also beat Barons East 2-0 at same tournament. So much for Barcelona being ready for the big time.
So SDFC is the big time? The 4th place team in the 8 v 8 top division?
Did Lyon ever play SDFC?
Lyon won't play many, they will be broken up next year when they change the age group to calendar year. Most of the Lyon girls will be playing with the current u12 girls. Question is how many will make it when that happens and will they still start? Will be a tough transition for some.
@ 10:16How are you so sure that everything is going calendar year all at once?Wouldn't it make more sense to think that the soccer powers will start with younger ages and bring it in slowly from the bottom to the top?
Does not really matter where the cut off is established as long as everyone is using the same system. The rest of the world goes by calendar year.
Don't really see how to start it with just one age group. Which age group will only get kids from half a year? There will not be enough players to field all the teamms
Our team is middle of the pack, but mostly 2004 bdates, maybe this helps us going forward. Question is, we are not ECNL club, so will it effect us? I heard it will, but don't believe it.
Talented players will continue to be talented players whatever team they end up on.
"Did Lyon ever play SDFC?"Lyon played an beat a U12 SDFC team like 5 or 6-0.
That wasn't the question
I think poster meant that U11 team.
SDFC U11G have never played PDA Lyon, as with any fixture between the top 5 or so teams I'm sure could go either way, PDA have earned right to be favorites against any team at this age but i am sure would be a good game
Sometimes "fixtures" can go either way even outside of the favorites. Watch the Columbia vs. France women's world cup match.
SDFC is indeed a good team - well coached. After some fact finding...consider though that they beat Middletown in penalties last fall and lost to Middletown 6-7 (this spring). The two are very similar teams as my daughter's team has played both. Lyon beat Middletown from this spring in the state cup. I would love to see the two play.
"Anonymous said...That wasn't the question"" Anonymous said...I think poster meant that U11 team."Yeah and i'm sure SDFC's U11 team is better than the SDFC U12 team Lyon scrimmaged…C'mon.
Can the person who has seen "vorhees" play for years and constantly talks about them actually learn to spell the town right. Voorhees!!!!
So ironic that the a poster crowing about a U11 team beating a U12 team can't imagine the possibility that a U11 team could beat a u12 team.
"So ironic that the a poster crowing about a U11 team beating a U12 team can't imagine the possibility that a U11 team could beat a u12 team."We all know Lyon is good but we don't think they can beat PDA Galaxy! Same at SDFC doofus.A few of the SDFC Yellow girls had their shot at PDA tryouts but seems like no cigar. If they're good enough, they'll come eventually or more likely make their way to MFA.
That wasn't the few that should be of concern.
Here is my take on SDFC, two elite players and a talented group around them. Could be a tad deeper. Which pretty much everyone other than PDA is in the same boat. Very well trained and coached in their system, which has helped them win a ton of games.
You nailed it. PDA is strong everywhere and should get stronger with new additions.
Did Voorhees pick up any new girls for the fall....or they gonna break up........
In addition to depth, PDA has speed at every position. Elite soccer player speed. I think its the main reason they allow so few goals, the speed. Has anyone seen the new Lyon girl playing this summer? I mean big and FAST.
Where did she come from?
If the EDP goes to 9v9 next year, what teams will be in the top flight? I would assume Voorhees, Middletown, SDFC, LVH and World Class. Then maybe IGFA and Alleycats from the second division north as well as Real NJSC and FC Copa from the second division south. That seems like the natural progression.
I think most of those teams will be 11v11
Edp will be 9v9 / 11v11 in u-12 age group
Anyone know where Lyon will play next year? I would guess U12 EDP or U13 Northeast NPL.
I've heard a lot about PDA Lyon. I looked up there stats on got soccer. They have scored 118 goals and only gave up 14 in about 30 games. That is very impressive. It looks like they are the class of New Jersey. I doesn't mean we have to like them.
Their stats and it doesn't. Sorry. I don't dislike them but apparently others do
People don't like their arrogant parents.
"If the EDP goes to 9v9 next year, what teams will be in the top flight? I would assume Voorhees, Middletown, SDFC, LVH and World Class. Then maybe IGFA and Alleycats from the second division north as well as Real NJSC and FC Copa from the second division south. That seems like the natural progression."Really what 6th or 7th grader plays basketball on 8 foot hoops? How about tennis with a 24 inch net? or with 6 inch wide racket? Any field hockey going half field with smaller goals? How about 1/2 field lacrosse with PUG goals? Softball with 40 feet baselines and a 30 foot pitching mound? Cross Country where you only run a 1/2 mile? Track where you run the 30 yard dash? C'MON ALREADY! It all sounds stupid but you guys think 7-6 scores are cool for soccer - well 7-6 is not soccer!
Because being on a winning U11 youth soccer team has little inherent value. It is most valuable as a status symbol. A status symbol is no fun at all if others are not aware of it.
Go forth and conquer the big field! Good luck!
The only reason a team stays 9v9 at this age is because the coach knows he or she doesn't have enough talent. Don't give me the "they get more touches" line. The field is too small at u10. Good luck to all who go that route.
The only reason a team goes 11 x 11 at this age is to try to keep a huge roster happy and collect more $$$$.
"The only reason a team stays 9v9 at this age is because the coach knows he or she doesn't have enough talent. Don't give me the "they get more touches" line. The field is too small at u10. Good luck to all who go that route."Yeah that exactly!
9v9 = another excuse to play mediocre talent
It’s all about Touches and Opportunities….4v4 versus 8v8Passes: +135% or 585 more passes in 4v4 gamesShots Taken: +260% or 481 more shots in 4v4 gamesGoals Scored: +500% or 301 more goals in 4v4 games1v1’s: +225% or 525 more 1v1’s in 4v4 gamesTricks, Turns and Moves: +280% or 436 more tricks, turns, and movesThese data were collected in a 2002-2003 study conducted for Manchester United Football Club by Dr. Rick Fernoglio, a lecturer in Exercise Science at Manchester Metropolitan University. Fifteen (15) 4v4 and 8v8 games were videotaped and analyzed for the study. 11 x 11 gives even less chances to practice these basic skills.
Both are right.Small sided has lots of evidence that is creates better players.But, once 11 v 11 is available, the better players gravitate towards those teams, and any team that can expand without diluting quality does so.The policy of the governing bodies and leagues are key, here. If they keep offering 11 v 11 more and more, younger and younger, small sided gives up a lot of its inherent advantage because it is played by second string teams. Small sided, in a geographic area that is limited to all small sided at a given age, is better for the kids.
The benefit of a smaller field is that players are forced to play in tighter spaces under game conditions, forcing quick decisions. The touches in a soccer match vs. training are almost immaterial. That may be a benefit, but it's a small one.
@June 25, 2015 at 5:00 PM: Probably the most intelligent comment, I've ever read in this blog and probably why it's so active.
Personally, I seriously enjoy the drama in written form.Who is playing where. Which team is better. This and that about the coaches.Good stuff, really.I am curious though; Give a list of your top ten rising u12 teams @ 11 vs 11 in the fall (in order)? Assume all of the good teams are going 11 v 11.
@June 26, 2015 at 7:36 AM: All the data make sense but it amazes me that so much talk is about games and who beat who instead of actual player development (especially technical and tactical development). Coaches have the power to manipulate space and tactical conditions during practice in order to create better soccer players. Having the right coaching is more important the field size at that age.
They always say size doesn't matter. Until it does.
Yeah like Lyon. They are good at soccer and all, I get it, but they are like high school big at several positions. And some of their speed may just come from the size and early maturity or something. Overall, size matters. Not many Klingenburgers out there...
We were discussing the size of the fields, not the players.9 x 9 is preferable but I would not give that nearly as much weight as coaching, cost, location, and level of competition when choosing a program.
Lyon/Lyon Blue in US Club Soccer Mid-Atlantic Regional tournament this week…Playing up vs. a couple U12's from Rochester and Buffalo. No way to judge western New York Soccer talent (Wombach made it from there) but both teams ranked in top 10 of WNY.
@ June 25 5 pmSo true about these teams being status symbols for the (not so high status) parents.One team, prominent in the area, has to stay at 9v9 as the status conscious parents that have been around since u8 control the team. Their jockeying to ensure that their more mediocre kids ride on the coattails of the elite players has driven away new talent. In the fall, they inherent the tournament seeding from the last year's crew, but with this year's players.
They play a good level of soccer in upstate and western NY and the talent is consolidated, so the teams are pretty good.
June 29, 2015 at 8:18 AM"One team, prominent in the area, has to stay at 9v9 as the status conscious parents that have been around since u8 control the team. Their jockeying to ensure that their more mediocre kids ride on the coattails of the elite players has driven away new talent. "Who is this one team?Could be they are staying 9v9 to continue to give more touches to the players.
@ June 29 8:18 amNope. They were shooting for 11 v 11. They are oblivious as to how they come off to others. Can't figure out why no one tried out/left.
After watching a U11 9 x 9 tournament this weekend, most of the players I saw have plenty of work left to do at 9 x 9 before they attempt success on the big field. 11 x 11 will be more forgiving of the wildly inaccurate passing and shoddy receiving. Don't see how the big field will help improvement.
"They play a good level of soccer in upstate and western NY and the talent is consolidated, so the teams are pretty good."Under 12 Girls Premier Group 11 v 11 Monday6/29/2015 9:00 AMGame: 0014 Scouting Report 5 LYON 0 U12G ROCHESTER FCPoints are awarded for advancement PDA Soccer Complex #08
1. That Rochester team is terrible2. NY West soccer is terrible in general except for Greater Binghamton club
Im sure all of New Jersey PDA haters are SO very up on U12G Western New York soccer. Funny stuff.What is the scouting report on U12G Buffalo team(DMS pre-academy) that beat Lyon Blue? I can't wait!
" Nope. They were shooting for 11 v 11. They are oblivious as to how they come off to others. Can't figure out why no one tried out/left. June 29, 2015 at 9:55 AM "Super curious which team you are talking about?
It's funny how people are assuming that having "more touches" on a small field will make a player better. "Kick and Rush" on a smaller field is still kick and rush.
Just as I'm so sure all the PDA Kool Aid drinkers are SO up on how good NYW soccer clubs are. Btw - who cares about Lyon Blue? You asked that like beating them is a big deal.
And btw, pipe down, you're playing in the second flight which basically a step above town travel.The super group is the top flight.
Yeah town travel teams take their club 8 hours on the road mid-week!
"Btw - who cares about Lyon Blue? You asked that like beating them is a big deal."What great team does your daughter play for?
I love the PDA haters! I'm glad their back - that Bergen Bulldigs saga was boring!!!!Lyon is hands down the best team in New Jersey. Depth is main reason, then speed & a few individual great players.Not a PDA parent but in the soccer world for years and this is my last go round with my youngest. Even PDA U10 players who have come and train at SDFC with our U11 team are better than most if not ALL on the squad. It's ok, they are great.
It is not more touches. It is better touches. The big field lets them get away with more garbage.
The point of joining a team like Lyon is not to try to dominate local NJ teams even if they are a year older in a lower division. Stop crowing about that. Fly off and dominate some other consolidated talent if you want to impress.
I agree that, in general, the smaller field requires better touches and quicker/more advanced decision making. Combination plays require more precision. Etc...However, some of the better teams are so fast and so strong that the larger field will still require the quality play, better touches, fast decisions, etc. So long as the better teams make sure to play each other the larger field should not provide too much more forgiveness for their mistakes.The better teams will also be able to create sufficient ball movement so that the amount of touches won't suffer nearly as much.In my most humble of opinions, I do declare...
I am looking out for my player. She has had the opportunity to play large field and small field in competitive divisions. The small field is much less forgiving. Would not make it a deal breaker but much prefer the smaller field. Helps the majority of the players improve which helps the strong ones to have better team mates to play with.
How many of the players on Lyon are going into 7th grade? I heard at least three.
Anyone have the situation where a younger daughter (U9 playing U10, sometimes U11) is a stronger player than an older daughter (U11)? Finding this to be a bit tricky. Both enjoy soccer very much but one is more gifted at the sport.
That is some serious sibling rivalry.
Results have been verified - points have been awarded for finals advancement Monday6/29/2015 3:30 PMGame: 0016 Scouting Report 0 Lyon Blue4 LYON Morningside Farm #18 FinalTuesday6/30/2015 1:30 PMGame: 0018Scouting Report: DMS GU12 pre-Academy vs.LYONUnder 12 Girls Premier - Points are awarded for final advancement PDA Soccer Complex #08
I heard most of the Lyon players are going into high school next year.Funny thing is, they will brag, but won't admit all the top girls are older and should be playing u12 anyway.
I'm pretty sure they are currently playing under the same age guidelines as everyone else complaining about them.
Complaints are about the superior attitude, not the age of the players. Some truly talented U11 players are likely not even playing in this U11 age group.
Stop with the superior attitude crap. Bottom line is parents don't like watching their kids lose. If their team was winning and they were cheering them on would they be complaining then? No. Beat Lyon and cheer your kids on. If you lose then deal with it. I've been on a lot of sidelines and there are a lot of other clubs with more obnoxious parents.
There are lots of people involved with talented teams and players that are not on here bragging about it. Brag about kid soccer, especially when coming from an exclusionary brand like PDA and expect some comments back.
95% of the crap on here is people bashing other clubs including kids and parents. PDA does not do that because they don't follow other clubs. If people would stop talking about PDA then the talk on here about PDA would stop. Problem is people can't help themselves.
Almost without exception, every time there is a soccer related topic on here about anything other than PDA, a post about some PDA team or player appears. No ability to tolerate any discussion other than what is the greatest soccer program in the universe.
Not true but thank you for your kind words.
10:05 & 10:24Then why do you spend so much time here continually posting if you don't care so much?It's PDA parents like you that like to act high and mighty. Most are very nice people, but all of them get grouped together because of trash like yourself.
"Anyone have the situation where a younger daughter (U9 playing U10, sometimes U11) is a stronger player than an older daughter (U11)? Finding this to be a bit tricky. Both enjoy soccer very much but one is more gifted at the sport. June 29, 2015 at 3:57 PM "Hey, are you looking for advice? I have seen many occasions whereas the younger sibling is a stronger player. Usually because they learn from the older sibling and are usually forced to compete with the older kids as they hang around the older sibling's practices and such. The younger sibling tends to get involved earlier as well due to the older sibling involvement in the sport.Doesn't always stay that way as they develop and get older.But, sometimes the younger is just the better athlete. At u9/u10/u11 even u12, there is a long way to go. Much can change.
PDA rules the soccer world in NJ and surrounding areas.Just the way it is.The best players from other teams, ultimately, will try to get on one of the ECNL/Northeast NPL teams in the area.If they are good enough and lucky enough, they will make the best PDA team available to them. If not, they will end up playing at an inferior club. May still end up competing in college or otherwise but will be a much more difficult path. Doesn't really matter as much at this age but the migration will continue in the years to come.
I don't care if your kid is the second coming of Mia Hamm, there are numerous reasons to not bring her to play with ECNL royalty.Way too expensive.Way too far.Lack of tolerance to spend the time and money flying all the way to Seattle or some other interesting far away destination, and then spend your limited time there doing the same thing you do all the time at home.Don't want to encourage her to play a collegiate sport. Inability to happily tolerate excessively-competitive, smug environment around what is a kid's game.Some little mias will just have to stay with their inferior peasant teams.
Cool. See you on the bad side of 8-0 first round state cup romp.
Bergen Bulldogs won the U11 8 v 8 bracket at US Club regional tourney today - held at PDA…Hey PDA does have seriously nice facility - even the last poster can't hate on this place!Group A GP W L T GF GF4 GA GD GD3 Pts TB 1. BBSC '04BERGEN BULLDOGS SC 3 2 0 1 14 10 4 10 6 7 2. STA Morris United NPL 03STA 3 1 0 2 8 8 5 3 3 5 3. GU11ROCHESTER FC 3 0 1 2 7 7 12 -5 -3 2 4. U11 GirlsNUTLEY UNITED 3 0 2 1 4 4 12 -8 -6 1
Can't we all just get along. New Jersey is one of the strongest womens soccer states in the country. I know we are all rooting for the three jersey girls tonight. Go USA. Prediction 2-1.
Nat. Cup XIV Mid-Atlantic Regional FinalsPDA Lyon vs U12 G Doug Miller Soccer Academy(Buffalo, NY) Tuesday6/30/2015 1:30 PMGame: 0018Scouting Report PDA Soccer Complex #08
I don't hate on anyone for buying a Porsche as long as they don't brag about it.
Lunch breakers should shoot out to PDA with their chairs and sandwiches and enjoy some really good soccer at 1:30. Lyon might be a good opening act to US game later today!
Another PDA hater
Most people who would have considered looking to tryout for PDA, won't consider anymore. They are so turned off by Lyon parents, they just won't go. You are really going to help MF and wcfc going forward. Maybe a good strategy on your part, this way your child won't get pushed down when the better players show up. I'm sure mike Oneal is so proud of you helping his girls side of club.
Sooooo..Bergen beat up on 3 below average teams..congrats
WOW PDA, another impressive opponent. You really are the best of the best of the worst.DMS GU12 ranked statisticsGames 8W-D-L 3-0-5Goals For 24Goals Against 26Win % 37.5%
Do we have someone on scene for the PDA final?Halftime update?
Pda down 1 0
Lyon must have lost. No updates.
Lyon won 3-2
It will either 1 of 2 posts.1. If Lyon won - Lyon is great and came from behind to win2. If Lyon lost - It is not about winning, it's about developmentLyon parents are very similar to liberals, always have an excuse ready
Lyon is great and came from behind to win
Lyon is a great team. This match alone does not create that qualification. This win is just a piece of the tradition that is PDA.Winning is not more important than development but sometimes you can have a bit of both at the same time.
Lyon U11 year was amazing. Just give them the credit they deserve - by FAR they were the best in New Jersey. They added enough talent through tryouts and Blue team promotion to take it up a notch and be the best for U12 too unless someone rises up and proves they can beat them.
RIP Youth Soccer Talk GU11 Forum.
Are we talking about Lyon playing in a joke tournament for u12 in the second division, really?Play some real reams and then talk.
Why RIP GU11 Forum?Are they changing it to the PDA forum?FINALLY!
Because August 1st, they'll all be U12!
Or as the PDA haters call them - freshman in HS lol!
Post a Comment