@7:35am, who do you have BRYC losing to? I assume FCV but that was actually 0-0 through overtime. BRYC lost in the shootout.
@10:02, if you look at the quality of the teams, it's clear that the flights are all tiered 1 through 9.
I'm not a huge TSF fan but I've seen them play and I don't think they belong in the bottom bracket. They were in second flight of FC Stars along with WC! Sure they lost every game, but still... They seem misplaced to me. What would have been the Jeff Cup logic in putting them there?
Because TSF is plain horrible. That is why.
72 good teams
TSF aren't whiney b's about their flighting....
"Why is it when people bring up the dirty dealings and lies that so called academy's promise it is called juvenile personal attacks. "Because of the bias. It comes across more as someone having something to gain by the academy's demise, as opposed to investigative journalism.
What are you referring to?
10:18 I just went by what got soccer had. I also know that penn legacy beat both Calvert and the New Jersey Wildcats in shootouts after their 2 ties as well and they could argue they are 3-0-0 but I was consistant with GS, no * beside the results. Besides I didn't post that as some kind of ranking but rather to show how evenly matched these teams are. 14 games this fall, 9 ties, 12 decided by 1 goal or less, only one blowout(which probably won't happen again). There are about 4600 u-13 teams out there that wish they could take FC Virginia to a shootout, or BRYC or any of the rest of this bracket as well. Ties and one goal losses at this level or nothing to be ashamed of, all 8 should be proud of the work they put in to be where they are. These teams are all very evenly matched. Anyone of them could win the bracket. It will just come down to who's playing their best soccer that weekend.
Wow 9 of the 14 games between teams within top flight were ties.Only FCV, Legacy and Wildcats had any wins among top flight head to head.Interesting that Penn Fusion 0 wins in 4 of those 14 games among those teams in top flight and -5 goal differential stuck out among the teams at that level.Of course 5-1 Fusion loss to Legacy skewed both teams Goal differential as none of the other games between teams in top flight were one sided.FVC clearly is the favorite although nothing for sure based on close games and their many ties vs these teams head to head.
TSF too inconsistent..they could win a few games in a higher bracket maybe, but they could also lose in the bottom bracket.
PDA able to get their B,C and D teams all accepted into Jefferson Cup. What other program can do that?You mock them for not playing in any tournaments, but yet they all get accepted. Look at the time and money that STA and Wildcats spend traveling and playing in all these tournaments to accumulate GS points.If Storm applies, they would be in top flight. The point that everybody overlooks is that PDA doesn't have to travel to tournaments to play great teams. They can scrimmage older/younger PDA girls teams any night at practices.
Regarding the rankings of the flights at Jeff Cup (or just about any other tournament), the names and colors can be misleading at times. I know the Orange and Black are both "Elite" flights. But the fact that they've listed Orange ahead of Black most definitely makes Orange their 2nd flight and Black their 3rd.Once could certainly argue about the quality of teams in the Black flight being collectively better than the Orange and the GS points would support this. But there's no doubt that the organizer's see Orange as the 2nd flight and Black as the 3rd.And with all that said, a quick glance at this makes me think STA is the "3rd" flight team with a legitimate beef...even if they can earn more GS points in the 3rd.
And regarding the Richmond team in the 2nd flight (now), I'm really hoping the organizers know something that the rest of us don't. Cause if this team isn''t competitive they'll have given themselves a real black eye from my view.
7:35 and 11:05- thanks for head to head records and GF and GA head to head among top flight teams.Great answer to those few haters who always try and knock wildcats for ties vs top flight comp.Clearly ties are the most common result among the very best teams when they match up as you show with better than 60% of those games among the best teams ending in ties.The attack on ties vs top comp was just another desperate attempt by haters(especially the one from the once top team now a sinking ship) to deflect from Wildcats rise.Better tend to your own ship as it is taking on water fast.Once again those whose opinions matter, those who make up these flights have told us the truth about where our teams stand.
Does anyone else think it's really odd that all the PDA teams EXCEPT their A team applied for Jefferson Cup. Why aren't they going???????
11:33 sounds like you are just regurgitation the party/club line.So your 12 year old daughter is just as excited about scrimmaging the same old PDA U12 and U14 Teams as mine is traveling on overnight road trips with her friends to Jeff Cup, WAGS and Bethesda to compete in the top flights vs some of the best teams in the country, go to restaurants, swim and hang out in the hotel with their friends/teammates.I wonder if your daughter has trouble getting to sleep the night before these scrimmages like my daughter does the night before leaving for these major tournaments because she is so excited?Let's remember they are still 12 and 13 and are supposed to be having a blast with their friends.Or are you raising a racehorse?What if college soccer or the USWNT doesn't pan out?What if she has a serious injury and is never the same player?What will she remember about her childhood? Do you worry she might rebel in another year or 2?
11:50- Thanks for the infomercial coach. Its not knocking a team when you mention the facts.9 U13 Tournament games:1 Win3-1 loss to Ajax.The BEST teams win games, good teams tie.
They don't need to - they have sping kickoff 4 weeks later. They do eclipse evry year too and their ecnl travel. Why do you care? Do you do pda tournamnent? Do you go to eclipse? Do you do stars?
11:59 My guess would be -they played a tournament in IL and have overnight games in MA & CT on their schedule in addition to a May tournament in South Carolina from the research I did on this team. Jefferson would have made their 5th overnight stay in one season a little much??? No??? 11:40 I agree.Next up is the Manhattan Tournament and their list. let's go boys, Jefferson is days after your tournament and they already have published their flights.
12:13 I guess you are right coach.That's why you are in lower flight and we are in top flight.Can't argue with your logic.
U13 "Major tournaments".... get a grip.
12:15 I'm a coach? That's a new one.
12:15 good answer but don't bother.They want their teams to be where yours is. The flighting speaks volumes.It kills them that you have passed them by.
12:19 are you talking about my post? or PDA? All I said is this team has stayed or will have overnight stays in IL, CT, MA & SC. How does that have anything to do with what you are claiming? Okay, I'm going back to result talk. I will break down these top flight teams for you.
12 12Get a life. Yours sounds horrible...
12:15 and 12:19 in answer to first of 12:13 posts, not your 12:13 post.
How could the PDA B teams be top teams in the country when the Storm takes their best players every year? They will never be in the top flights of these tournaments unless the Storm is far superior to the top teams in that tournament. If Sotrm is not, then by logic, the B teams will always be inferior. Having said that, it is amazing that they still compete at a top level losing their top players.
PDA Storm vs Jeff Cup Championship Flight1-2 GD -1If Storm had applied they would have either been second flight where they belong or go winless in top flight. Neither are good for recruiting .
Every time Storm stepped out of ecnl cocoon they were less than stellar.See last spring us club state cup loss to mf ne-npl and this falls losses to cinn gold at eclipse in Aug and tie vs STA and loss vs Calvert Crew at EDP tourney in November.Yet they claim they are best team, not buying based on results.
And Penn Fusion ECNL would be there instead?
At least Penn Fusion ECNL has the guts to step up and test themselves against all comers at the top tournaments.Can't say the same for Storm.
1:43Don't forget that loss(and tie) to the Sachem Speed(Nat #109) this summer with a regional championship on the line. They are a nice little team, but not quite top bracket material. 1:45Why not? They have played better competition, even tied the Wildcats who beat Storm 2-0 last time they played. I think when you play theses teams outside of your league you may get different results. Few teams play league games to win at all costs like Storm does. But most do so at tournaments. You'll see.
Funny - now the thinking is that none of thre strong players in the Richmond region are with the pre-ECNL 13s, where when it was MF and PDA being discussed this time a year ago, players were said to be "wanti ng to position themselves by making the move at U13"I think the Richmond team will do just fine, folks. Be careful reading too much into their light schedule. And pay attention to some of the results listed on GS, not just the state rank.
".....or are you raising a racehorse"I had to chuckle.But some are fortunate enough to have the opportunity to be raising a superior elite talent If I was in this situation, it'd be difficult for me not to make every effort to ensure he/she gets the most of his/her opportunity.There are limits. But I dont think going the other way - being hands off and aloof, allowing them to find their own way entirely is wise either.
Richmond beat the team that beat the team that beat Wildcats......oh boy....
@2:14,I'd already seen that there weren't a lot of results on GS for the Richmond team. But I can't say saw anything in the ones that are there that screamed "top flight squad" to me.If you throw out one 7-0 win, they show a win, a draw and 2 losses with a -2 GD. And none of this came against teams that scream "yop flight squads" to me.My guess is that, based on GS results, this team will get throttled at the Jeff Cup. But maybe the organizers know something the rest of us don't.Anyway, I think this will be one of the most interesting stories to follow there.
2:22 a parent thinking their progeny is "a superior talent" is often off base, as unrealistic expectations of parents for their own child is where most of the dysfunction comes from in youth soccer as well as in youth sports overall.
I agree, let’s move on!P.S. My daughter is a soccer prodigy ; /
Wildcats play in the same league as MF D team.
If you don't think that Storm would be in the top group at Jefferson you are delusional. Why they are not going to this tournament only they know, but if they were going, they would be in the top flight. You can knock them for not going, but you sound silly saying they wouldn't be top group.
Nobody cares. You're not in, stay out of the conversation.
Somebody cares 1:21, 1:42, 1:53, 2:06. Plenty care obviously.
Hadnt heard about Ajax losing players to StormI guess those players were with Ajax when they beat WildcatsPlay on multiple teams, like at Match Fit. But remember - results dont matterheh
Yea, they'd probably get in top flight. What's debatable is whether they deserve it or whether they would get in simply because they are PDA and/or ECNL. They have had plenty of chances over the last year to prove they can play with this caliber of teams at tournaments and have come up short. So Its not so much that we care, it's that we want to delusional storm parent to come back to reality or at least shut up already. Woulda shoulda coulda but didn't is getting old.
Flight Projections10000 Championship8150 Elite Orange9000 Elite Black3952 Superior Orange5034 Superior Black4798 Superior White4650 Platinum Orange2725 Platinum Black3740 Platinum White
Hey 3:39pm but the posts you cite were only posted after 11:33am came on with the PDA claim that we are so great look at our b and c teams got accepted and if storm would have entered then they coulda, woulda shoulda.don't tell us about where you would be flighted "if" you had the stones to enter and would you would have won "if" you had the stones to enter.Put your team on the line and sign up or don't talk inject your team into conversations about Jeff Cup or the other top tournaments as you are irrelevant to those conversations.
Nice to see PDA haters at every age group!Same goes on at u14 and u15 and u16.By u17 the parents stop caring because the realities of the parent's choices about their daughters chances playing at a D!1 college are now evidentThey didn't make it!
Agreed 11:33 was a silly post, but the follow ups were just as ridiculous. Storm has nothing to do with this tournament. PDA has 3 other teams representing them and that is where is should end. Let's move on.
4:40one of those haters
@4:23, thanks for putting those together. Interesting that the 4th flight ranks 7th in points
" Interesting that the 4th flight ranks 7th in points"Not all that uncommon in events that include lots of teams that aren't from the NE.GS points aren't as readily available outside of our region so good teams from the south (NC, SC, etc.) don't contribute much to the flight rankings. And with just 6 teams in the Superior Orange flight, this probably explains the lower GS value.
When you are really the best out there, you will take on all comers and then you won't have to proclaim yourself the best of the best, it will be self evident.right now just another of a number of quality teams in Region 1 in this age group.
When you are the best, the rest will come to your tournament in the spring.
Nobody skewed the GS points more than the EDP Central division. Double counting points to get more points to make your league seem better.
5;43They don't give you a second thought!
8:54 If you don't care what the rest of us think then why the need to come on the blog and proclaim you coulda, woulda shoulda, if only you had entered.And about your pda tournament.Oh yeah, that's the chance you will have to prove your self proclaimed status as the best team out there.Now how did that work out last year?Oh yeah, 0 wins in your 3 games at your own event.Well, at least you will be guaranteed the top flight there.
10;50that was not me- and as you know it could be anybody You're not original- the teams before you spew the same venom at every age group. And it always ends up the same.They don't give you a second thought.Good luck to you and your daughter- hope the choices you decided to make for her ends up well. you can keep track of the teams losses if you like, if that is whats important to you.enjoy the journey
So you "don't give us a second thought" yet you continue to respond.Do you not understand that by continuing to post you refute your own point?
4;43Go f*ck yourelf, you needtobeD1 clown
1043Let me guess , you are a liberal and work for a government union?
Shouldn't "work" be in quotes?
Sounds like the truth hurts. 2:11.
9:29 "Truth".All you know about this process is what your club tells you.What possible credentials or experience do you possess as a parent that you can tell others what is the "Only Way" to get your daughter to become a D1 College Player.
You get so defensive.... Nobody ever said it was the only way. The odds are just extremely in favor of the one way over the other.... That is just a fact. Again, many non academy kids will play D1, but even you have to admit the odds are stacked in favor of the academies.....
Wow looking at the Jeff Cup brackets..Congrats to Wildcats for landing in the top. Anyone else think some of the NJ teams are a flighted a little higher than they should be?Crush, STA, Dragons.. I think these 3 in particular will struggle.
NJSA Galaxy may also struggle in 3rd flight.
They ALL will struggle. This is where the NJ inflated GS points get exposed. Still fun to play solid competition but this is when we all say, yep, makes sense...... Yet another reason why NJ needs to stop chasing GS points.
12:50 Just Curious - Ajax not on your list - Is this because you missed them or you don't think they will struggle?
I missed Ajax, but I think they can hang with WC and NYSC on a good day. Don't know the other teams in their bracket. This is not meant as a knock to any of the teams because this tournament is packed with good competition. It's a catch 22, I wouldn't want to drive 6 hours to get spanked, and I wouldn't want to drive 6 hours to be in a bottom bracket either .. I agree about NJSA Galaxy too.
Did anyone notice what team is notat Jeff cup? One of the biggest GS point chasers, Grater Binghamton. They are #19 in the country but are not playing in Jeff Cup. They played at Jeff Cup last year and went 0-1-2. They no GS points so I guess they decided to not come this year.
Maybe GB was not accepted.
1:54 I respect your opinion - I ask this question you said Dragons were to high. They lost to WC 1-0 and beat Ajax 1-0 also finished higher than Ajax in the same league that included MF NPL aka NJX and CFC Arsenal. I though they should be in 2nd Flight instead of Ajax, but you disagree. We are a perfect example of this board we both look at the same teams and see different things. I'm not with any of the teams I mentioned - i don't think you are either.Also Richmond United Pre-ECNL finished 6th in CCL behind FC Frederick, BRYC, Maryland United, SOCA & Beach FC but were flighted behind only 2.I guess the same can be said about Penn Fusion, we have our favorites and then we have those that will never get any love on this board.
look at the quality of tournaments the teams played.. Parsippany Pride, STA kickoff for the Dragons.. FC Stars, Spirit and Delco for Ajax.. Anyone can have a good win here or there, Ajax is the better team though.
Our team has played both. Dragons pulled at least to even with Ajax during this NPL season. You have to admit that. Either could have been placed up or down here.
2:50 I am not seeing that - we are talking about 2 teams in the same league that played each other and the other teams in the same league - why does tournament play come in to play here? I agree Dragons made their own bed when they picked the tournaments they played in but we are talking about teams that played each other head 2 head and were in the same league or Maybe PDA just wants Ajax ahead of Dragons can't have your 1 and 2 teams up North bad for business could also be the reason why Ajax is doing state cup and Dragons are not.2:53 I agree with what you are saying - I just don't see the claim that Ajax is a better team than Dragons by bringing in tournaments when you don't need them for this comparison
3:16You are correct-Ajax will be the second team. This is extremely advantageous to the business model.Geographic locations are far enough that building the south club as an extremely desirable location for those quality players that do not want to travel up North is important to the business model The South club if Strong -can also act like a developmental catch basin for the girls in the South area and the club can then choose the players they want to from their developmental farm system to join their ECNL teams. This is not needed in the North.The South will always get preferential treatment in tournaments and state cup.As a parent , it makes this club a good solid choice compared to others in the area.
I love the PA guys who come on here and knock the NJ teams. STA and Wildcats are the only NJ teams focused on GS points. And it serves them well. However, none of the PDA or Match Fit teams have earned any GS points this fall for thier league (btw that is 5 teams). If MF Pre-ECNL and PDA Storm where at Jefferson, there would be no PA teams in the top bracket.
Easy there boy! What makes you think it's a PA guy? We also get no points for our league, would have been worth 9000 if we did BTW. And all your jersey teams including all PDA and match fit teams have a ton of points from EDP leagues last spring pushing them up way beyond where they belong to be in the got soccer rankings. Be thankful your teams chased those points last spring because right now it's about all you got!
The point was that PDA and Match Fit aren't chasing points. They really don't care about GS points. And if prior bloggers are correct and you read Jeff Cup website about picking the brackets, they could care less as well.
They were sure chasing those points last spring! How is it that the New Jersey Wildcats Calvert Crew and STA are "chasing points" by playing the EDP league this fall but when PDA and match fit do it it's not "chasing points". All these teams are doing is going out and playing against the best competition they can find. Its fun, you should try it. Call it chasing points if you want to but I bet if your team would actually catch some of those points every once in a while you would be singing a different tune. We'll miss you at Jeff Cup though, the second flight just wnot be the same without you!
easy now 5;20you only need to chase points if you have to use them to get into top brackets.Since when does PDA at any age need points to get into top brackets.teams like wildcats need points to play in top tournaments.look at their u14 team... the team wasn't even accepted to the Jefferson tournament.Thats why you chase points. you do not want the fate of your older teams.Fair or nor pDA doesn't have to play that game.
TrueTeams would need to turn their backs on competition to not chase points
When was the last time Storm was in second flight of an event?
Our GK injured herself last night at practice, and will probably miss Jeff Cup. I just went from hopeful to mopeful, damn. I hate it when we have to throw field players into goal. A GK shirt and gloves, a GK does not make, damn.
When was the last time Storm won a first flight of an event? Actually when was the last time Storm beat any top team at an event? As best as I can tell it's never happened. You can say they don't need to but what's the fun in that? You can only rest on the laurels built by your clubs name for so long. We both know the real reason you don't enter these top events is because you know you don't have the team to win them, at least not yet. You need to recruit better players this spring and continually losing tournaments is hurting your cause. I get it, it's business. And if PDA is good at anything, it's business.
Get a guest player, what team?
6:44You keep track for them and lets us know how it works out for you in the end.
6:44 you hit the nail right on the head.Storm keeps using past pda teams to make claim they will be a great team.But every team at pda isn't all that, some are, some aren't, each age group is different.Each team has to set their own mark in the end regardless of club.Facts are every time Storm has stepped out of their ecnl cocoon they have been spanked by non -ecnl teams in the past year, losing to NJX, Wildcats, Sachem, Calvert Crew, even tieing the club pda calls 2nd tier academy(STA).Truth is we have seen nothing from Storm to date to show they will be anything but a disappointment to their club.NO PDA Team in recent history has done more talking and accomplished less on the field than Storm.Let's face facts at this points it's their own club,the PDA management who has now stepped in to forbid them to enter any tournaments outside of ecnl events because Storm's ineptitude is now hurting the PDA brand.The club is just trying to limit the damage until they can get to tryouts and put a representative team together for U14 ECNL.Heard from a good source there will be multiple changes on Storm roster going into next fall.Can't wait to see the look on some of these parents faces when the bottom falls out and their child gets the pink slip or demotion to the B or C Team.
Isn't that what's supposed to happen?
8:10 I disagree - You will never see the real Storm. They are an ECNL team that has a roster of 18+. The 18+ need to play as well so the coach can make a decision on the players. Those are the players you will see at non-ecnl events, I get the win is a resume builder for Calvert, but for Storm it was a local tournament that they should have won that they didn't. Those kids are on the hook for that and will have to answer for it so 8:10 I believe what you are saying about changes next fall. I feel bad fof the kids - but as 8:19 said that is what happens
6:442014 NJ NCS Champ - NJ Wildcats (Storm did not defend)2013 NJ NCS Champ - PDA Storm2013 Region 1 Runner Up -PDA Storm2012 NJ NCS Champ - PDA Storm2014 Fall - Pre ECNL Champ2014 Spring EDP Champ@ u13W 13, T 4, L 2, GD +322-0 Penn Fusion3-2 Boston Breakers1-0 CFC1-0 FSA1-0 WC2-1 EM Hotshotz2-1 Atletico2-0 Lake Forest2-0 Ohio Premier6-1 FC Bucks5-0 CFC Delco5-0 Albertson8-0 Strike FCTies0-0 MF ECNL2-2 FC Stars2-2 FSA0-0 STALost2-3 Calvert0-2 Cincinnati
Are you really saying the above stats stink? I wish my kid's team had those stats.
GB will be at Delco Players cup which is shaping up to be a nice tournament only JAN and the below solid teams have applied:Greater Binghamton United FC SelectAlbertson Soccer Club Fury Pre-ECNLBeach FC 01G RedBethesda SC Academy 2001 BlueBoston breakers Academy GU13 ECNLCrew Juniors Crew Juniors EliteMaryland United FC 01 ECNLPenn Legacy FC 01 BlackSeacoast United Elite - DR- 01/02Waza FC East 02 Juniors
6:34..Sorry to hear. That's happened to us as well. Top flight at Jeff Cup? Maybe they can guest a goalie.
"6:44 you hit the nail right on the head.Storm keeps using past pda teams to make claim they will be a great team.But every team at pda isn't all that, some are, some aren't, each age group is different.Each team has to set their own mark in the end regardless of club.Facts are every time Storm has stepped out of their ecnl cocoon they have been spanked by non -ecnl teams in the past year, losing to NJX, Wildcats, Sachem, Calvert Crew, even tieing the club pda calls 2nd tier academy(STA).Truth is we have seen nothing from Storm to date to show they will be anything but a disappointment to their club.NO PDA Team in recent history has done more talking and accomplished less on the field than Storm.Let's face facts at this points it's their own club,the PDA management who has now stepped in to forbid them to enter any tournaments outside of ecnl events because Storm's ineptitude is now hurting the PDA brand.The club is just trying to limit the damage until they can get to tryouts and put a representative team together for U14 ECNL.Heard from a good source there will be multiple changes on Storm roster going into next fall.Can't wait to see the look on some of these parents faces when the bottom falls out and their child gets the pink slip or demotion to the B or C Team."People believe what they so desperately want to believe.Classic example of a person needing this to be true so badly to make himself feel better about being on the outside looking in.Its just soccer, if you daughter is a great player she will do just fine.Please give it a rest already.
Maybe 5 of those wins were vs top flight teams. So 5w 4t 2l vs top flight comp.good but certainly not what you would expect from top team in Region 1 they claim to be.GS Guy put up FCV record at U13 so far for a comparison with the real top team in Region 1.
Stink, no.What it shows me is they are not as good as first flight teams they lost to Calvert(2-3), Cinncinnati(0-2), and Wildcats(0-2). They are about as good as third flight team STA who they tied 0-0, and slightly better than forth flight team Athletico who they beat 2-1. Last Spring they got knocked out of NJ state cup by what is now Match Fits B team, and although a "finalist" at regionals went 2-2-1 there losing to FSA's B team and tying and then losing to the Sachem Speed(Nat #109). I'm sorry no one believes you weren't "playing to win" at regionals.As far as those league results, first they are NOT Pre-ECNL champs. They are currently in first place with half a season to go. Even then there will be a playoff between the top four teams to determine the true champion. I've seen it said on here that Storm, unlike most teams, plays ther league to "win at all costs". Not dressing all there players and not giving any playing time even to some that do dress. Most coaches are , like 8:59 said, trying to get a good look at there entire 18-20+ roster to prepare for ECNL next year. Not Storm. The fact that Storm managed a couple 1 goal wins against them is less than impressive. Meet those same teams at a tournament( see FSA at EDP Cup) when BOTH teams put a priority on winning, and you get a different result. Like I said, not worthy of top flight at a major. Why do you think PDA dad (or coach?) is constantly on here ripping other teams, clubs, and programs. He needs you to think your team is going down hill and if you have any hope of your daughter playing in college, you need to move her to PDA NOW! He knows they need those top players from those other teams to join Storm to truly make them an elite team. Maybe they will, we'll see. Be a real shame if one of those girls replaced was his daughter. Probably won't be PDA's #1 cheerleader then.
10:58 You are right about politics being a factor on Storm.One of the PDA coaches daughter is on that team. Why would anyone looking for elite level go to a team with same nepotism going on as at town level clubs.
Storm is not a happy group of parents right now. Nepotism is only one of their issues.Chemistry is not good and parents are all backbiting, knocking each others kids.Coach has little support, I agree changes are coming.
10:58 I love it when posters knock Storm - because they are so easy to defend. First every girl on the team represents the team so if they don't play the top half at EDP and lose to Calvert it's the same as them playing the top half and dropping to Cincinnati. 2 Ls in 19 games with a +30 GD - stop already. Going by your posts Pipeline is better than Calvert and Boca are better than the Wildcats - are we really playing this game?
9:17Want to see Nepotism and politics go to the second best academy, not Sta. Someone sold entire team out and made sure nepotism and politics continued. At least PDA gets all of the girls in eventually. It goes on everywhere.
The key is their performance doesnt have to be defended.They will be just fine.
And yet you keep feeling the need to do so.Its actually your assertion that they are a top flight tournament team that needs to be defended. You said it, while disparaging numerous other teams, so back it up.Storms tournament record at 11 v 11(U-12 & U-13)# tournaments entered 5# tournaments won 0Overall tournament record 8-9-10GD +30Not bad but 27 of those goals were scored against Strike(Nat #2689) 8-0, RI Strikers(Nat #1008) 11-0, and Cumberland YSA(Nat #1589) 8-0, so basically you beat up on rec teams.But against top competition:Top 1% Nationally0-3-3GD -4Top 2% Nationally1-4-5GD -4Additionally there are losses to FC Stars Central(Nat #238) 0-1, and Ohio Premier’s B team(Nat #459) 1-3 which aren't even included in that.Compared to the top teams at Jeff, not good enough.So like I said, if the tournament director didn’t know it was a PDA team they would be in the second bracket.But you're right, you don’t need to defend their performance to us yahoos on the blog, but you do need to defend that to the girls who you want to leave their current teams and join the soap opera that is PDA Storm this spring.They MIGHT be just fine if they can pick up some better players and get rid of some problems(incl certain parents) but right now they are not. Time will tell, but until then you might want to just keep your mouth shut.
10:56 below is FCV and I also added back PDA - sorry to lazy to break apart into groups.FCV ECNL gets all the love and PDA Storm none. Look at the game logs Storm has more impressive wins in my opinion. But that’s because I am not familiar with the teams FCV played.FCV 01 ECNL W13, L1, T6, GD +28PDA Storm W 13, L2, T4, GD +32FCVTOPHAT 20 GOLD (GA) 2-1TOPHAT 20 GOLD (GA) 0-1BRYC 01 ELITE (VA) 1-0PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE) 3-1NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ) 2-1NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ) 0-0TRI-STATE FA TFA ELITE 01 (OS) 0-0LAKE FOREST SA LFSA GU12 SELECT (IL) 2-1MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MD) 1-1UNITED FA 02 PREMIER (GA) 1-0GOL SA 02 PRE-ECNL (GA) 3-1MIAMI SPRINGS SOCCER 01 BLUE (FL) 1-0SCUFC 01 GIRLS ELITE (SC) 4-0PTFC 01G BLACK (NC) 6-0BEACH FC 01G RED (VA) 4-1CAROLINA RAPIDS 01 BURGUNDY G (NC) 5-0ARSENAL FC SD SD 01/02 (CAS) 0-0ANAHEIM SURF WHITE (CAS) 1-0EAGLES (CAS) 1-1JUVENTUS SC RAGAZZE (CAN) 0-0PDA Storm2-0 Penn Fusion3-2 Boston Breakers1-0 CFC1-0 FSA1-0 WC2-1 EM Hotshotz2-1 Atletico2-0 Lake Forest2-0 Ohio Premier6-1 FC Bucks5-0 CFC Delco5-0 Albertson8-0 Strike FCTies0-0 MF ECNL2-2 FC Stars2-2 FSA0-0 STALost2-3 Calvert0-2 Cincinnati
12:56 stick to just u13 please.
12:56 I agree with "but you do need to defend that to the girls who you want to leave their current teams and join"It's not cheap and playing time will be a premium - so I can see where 12:56 is coming from.But then again I am also a yahoo who likes GS and have also been called so many things because people didn't agree with my posts - which is cool and expected on an anonymous boardMSC and word when the approved list will be generated - I think we are done with Jeff Cup - now they just need to play the games
Seems Pda is in the eye of the jealousy storm. this club may not be my cup of tea but the quality of soccer that these young ladies play is undeniable. I have not seen a bunch of teams play better quality. Win lose or draw these girls are being taught quality. Less concerned with the win. More concerned with the quality. Soccer Nut
Right on soccer nut. Kids are developing and I havnt seen a team with their talent 1-20. Have a top coaching staff and will continue to be a top team in state, region, and nation.
While I like the quality and the players touches on the ball. I certainly see deficiencies on the field in creativity. As a collection of players your team is second to none but as individualistic creative players there are many players that may be better playing for other teams. But still it's a team game and in the end the team will always compete at highest brackets. Win lose or draw. Soccer Nut
To all the jealous PDA folks out there (one coach in particular) - does the training at your clubs teach girls how to play pretty much any position on the field? Can your left wing play right back if needed? Can your striker play sweeper & vice versa without missing a beat? Does your coach ever change formation during a game with a simple instruction & all the girls know exactly where to go & what to do? How about using your goalie to switch the field from the back? How about maybe 5+ set plays off restarts depending on who is on field at the time? How about using your goalie to take a PK in shootouts? I am pretty sure that is the quality that Soccer Nut is referring to.
No. Your girls are not finished products. Soccer Nut
Hahahaha, what u13G team can do all that??
2:09Yes, yes(that would be my daughter) no(who still uses a sweeper, that's your goalie's job now), yes, yes, no(overteaching set plays is a questionable use of training time at u-13), and lastly why would she need to?But if your team could actually execute all that, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
PDA can do the majority of those things which is most important and is about development. 2nd rate academy plays the same kids day in day out at the same positions and has no understanding of fundamentals. It is apparent PDA is about teaching correctly and development.
EXACTLY my point 256 & thank you for the acknowledgement. You get it, the others don't. Oh well, see you at the fields...
PDA would be better off boasting of their own program while also not knocking the others.See the good - when it is in your colors or not.
Versatility is key at this age. No girl should be playing the same position every game. Another major difference is the wide variety of trainers & coaches that the upper echelon of clubs have to offer. Having a variety of trainers & coaches teaching this wonderful game enhances development. I would not want my kid being instructed by just one person for an entire year. & I am a huge supporter of having separate game coaches & trainers. My daughter has been through both experiences - the one coach who does everything scenario & now with multiple trainers/coaches. Just from my experience, she has developed & learned much more with the latter.
3:32, I say bullshit to you and your tainted reply. My kid has a coach who implements a cirriculm that is devised by the DOC of our club, he is charged with following that to the letter. The result is a well-balanced, high-skilled player, who loves to compete, and is proud to wear her uniform. P.S. I thought about saying to each their own, but you come across as an arrogant know-it-all, so I had to get a little ugly, sorry.
445 You totally missed my point. Let me ask you - do you think it is wise for girls at this age to play just one position? Do you think it is beneficial to have just one trainer/coach? I feel otherwise & I was just making the point that certain clubs are able to offer that while others can't. Just my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
3:32 I agree with your post. I also think it is better for our kids to train with multiple trainers women/men all who played the game.Not sure why 4:45 took your post they way they did. I am happy his/her kid is doing great in their system if they they think that's best for their kid.I think a kid should train with their team, ODP or something similar. The kid will benefit from different voices and different styles more than the same voice. That one voice will have his/her favorites that play the game the way they teach it this benefits some like 4:45 but not all.Regardless we all have opinions on what's best and that's why our kids are where they are.
1:03 thank you for the FCV vs Storm breakdown.The idea that you could look at those 2 different sets of games and results and come back and say in your opinion Storm has the better resume shows that while you are very good at looking up stats and research, your ability to analyse the results is severely lacking.form now on"Just the facts M'am".The number of quality wins and depth of quality opponents on FCV's schedule is staggering compared to Storms which has as many cupcakes as tough opponents.Obviously you are not familiar at all with the quality of the teams outside of Region 1 on FCV's list such as Atlanta Top Hat and others who are top class.
Playing a player at four or more different positions and having them move around, sounds like a great idea, and in some cases (playing against lesser opponents)it might be. But where as girls often have to be confident to play well, moving them around to multiple positions can also set them up for failure, instead of setting them up for success (which should be the goal). You can't tell me that having an inexperienced defender that will not play that position due to physical limitations, is gaining anything by going up against an experienced attacker. And the same can be said at any position. And lets stop patting ourselves on the back for having the keeper shoot a pk. You have obviouly drank some serious koolaid that management gave you. Drink up buddy and close your eyss when writing that check.
5:26 That's because 1:03 is a PDA Shill!
All I know is that when we played Storm they were't moving players around.Their best players started and played most of the game while the subs played but after a few minutes they were rotated out.And they only moving of positions I saw was in the first few minutes after we scored a quick goal they moved one of their best players back from an attacking position back to strengthen the defense which was under pressure.In other words they did everything they could to win both games.
When was this 5 31 ?
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5:26So you think TOPHAT 20 GOLDBRYC 01 ELITENJ WILDCATS AVERBUCHUNITED FA 02 PREMIER - GAAre better wins than the below??Boston BreakersEM HotshotzFSA Pre-ECNLCFC -CT
5:28 of course I am since you say so and who are you shilling for again?Aren't we all shills for our kid's team??
If you add in GOL Ga, Miami, Arsenal Ca, Tri state Ohio etc yes I do.also 2 games each for fcv vs some of those top teams.Overall strength of schedule stronger for FCV by far.
Plus Eagles Ca, Anaheim ca,Juventus can all very strong games for FCV.
also the resume of wins for Storm is a bit skewed as the Boston Breakers team they best this fall is a shadow of the dominant team they were at U12.
My daughter has played against storm approximately 6 or 7 times. When they sub, they sub 5 or 6 girls and there has never been a drastic drop in the level of play. Great program all about development
I didn't bring in these teams up because GOL has a .278 winning %Miami tied Manhattan and lost to Bethesda and Tri-State lost to Lake Forest who PDA beat But then again I'm a shill right those couldn't be the reasons I see thing differently.
I know nothing of CA teams and will not talk about them since I never saw one play.
eagles have been a top 5 tam in usa for some time. tri-state is top flight at jeff cup and has MANY quality wins and plays many top events.1 loss does not determine a teams quality.It's overall resume.cal teams on list are top notch and play elite events.
gol Ga team was in finals of strong 2nd flight last year at jeff cup and beat very strong WAZA East #2 in Mich at that time.
Clearly there is bad blood between STn and PDA coaches in this age group but to be fair they recently played to a tie so a bit unfair for pda coach to degrade them as 2nd rate.And please don't use excuse you didn't try because you played your subs as you just now stated you sub your full bench in regularly during your games and there is no drop off.
3-1 CAPITAL AREA SOCCER CASL JUNIORS LADIES (NC)9-1 WEST FLORIDA FLAMES E 01 ELITE (FL)Both these teams beat Calvert so they must be good if calvert is such a great team2-1 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX (NJ)5-1 NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE)4-0 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MA) 3-2 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITE (MA)3-6 SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITE (MA)8-3 FC Stars of Mass 01 U13 Pre-ECNL4-3 Match Fit Academy 01 U13 Pre-ECNL6-1 World Class FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL6-2 FSA FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNLSo you are saying these are bad results for BostonM'am' you need to stick to the facts also because it looks like you don't do so good with your ability to analyse
breakers also lost 0-2 to e meadow this season..would that loss and 3-6 loss to south shore have occurred at u12?Can you imagine breakers team at U12 giving up 6 goals to ANY team their own age?Not same team.
7:16 Our questions will be answered in Maywhen FCV, PDA, MF, EM all travel down to South Carolina.
Not saying Breakers not still quality team, they certainly are.But they are not the Dominant Team in Region 1 they were at U12 when they were arguably the best out there.
yes they lost to EM - but why would I bring that up I already said EM was one of the best teams in region 1 if not the best. Wait I can't say that I'm a shill, I take that back.So you are saying the u12 team would have outscored the games I listed by more than +22 -dude they scored 4 or more goals against 7 strong teams what exactly are you saying? PS. They only did that 4 times against strong teams as a u12.
7:33 I agree - but they are still better than Tophat or BRYC and so is EM, that's all I'm saying.If you are telling me the CA games put FCV over the top as far strength of schedule I really can't argue -but I can say GS doesn't tell the entire story so without seeing them play I'm lost. Look at Calvert they are number 1 in MD and only have 2 wins outside of EDP teams and one is against FSA - but who knows with that club -they are up to some shady business when it comes to GS, Their 3rd team is ranked higher than their Pre-ECNL and NPL teams because of their GS account management skills which skewed any GS event any of the 3 teams played in.So maybe I see things a little different - but don't say I lack the skills to analyse m'AM'
MF is 2 wins and 2 ties vs EM over last 4 games. PDA vs Match Fit 1 loss and 1 tieBreakers beat Match FitJust pointing out that these teams are very highly skilled and very Equal. Some team have some teams number while other do not
Just add up the tough games and fcv has played many more and stepped up outside ecnl much more often to take on all comers from all over the country,playing top clubs from coast to coast.
Hey 7:48 -Eagles CA South won the coast soccer league and were champions of the last Dallas Cup(over Dallas Texans among other national power clubs/teams).Anaheim Surf won the Legends Classic and the United Cup.If you are not familiar with them then as stated you are not qualified/knowledgeable enough to analyse results among top teams at this age group.Saying those results vs top Cal Teams don't count because you are not familiar with them is like saying Rutgers win over Penn State this fall doesn't count on their resume because you personally are from the west coast and not familiar with Penn States Team.
Comparing D1 college teams and their rankings to U13 Girls and their GS rankings is idiotic. Are you kidding me 9:42??? The previous post is right, if you haven't seen them personally, then you really don't know shit. GS rankings are like a smart blondes. Fun to look at but not a part of reality.
So according to your logic 11:12 if one of our region 1 teams goes out and wins top flight at Dallas Cup, Surf Cup or Disney their wins there vs some of the top clubs in the US will not count as significant wins because YOU haven't seen those teams play?Now who is the idiot?
Really 11:12 it's an analogy that 9:42 was using.No one is comparing rankings of college teams vs U13 Teams.Sorry that one went over your head.Love your analogy though,"GS rankings are like a smart blondes, fun to look at but not a part of reality". WHAAAT?
My comment based on the fact that very few on this blog even know who the top club are. How are you defining them as top clubs? Because of their inflated chased down GS points (which in many cases is a joke). How many times has your own team geared up to play what is considered a top team, only to find out they weren't. You can talk like a self proclaimed soccer "GS physicist" and swamee of all great teams. But you really have no idea. I have traveled with multiple kids and all over the country expecting a tough game, and finding it was a waste of time and money in many showcase tourneys that weren't. So yes, If you didn't see who FVC played personally, you don't know shit. Come out of the bubble wrap that surrounds your soccer world. Just saying
Thank you 10:56.Let's just drop it - since these guys are pros and the pros have spoken.I will just wait for May and see what the results look like if they play each other in South Carolina.
The difference is FCV wins at tournaments when it matters. Storm looks real good against other teams subs(the girls who don't get much playing time at tournaments) but against other teams "A" lineup, they can't hang.
10.:56 FCV just won the top flight at Disney tournament last month.If you think that is not one of the most competitive tournaments out there EVERY YEAR then you have identified yourself as a know nothing.As far as the Coast Soccer League in CAS, that is one of the most competitive leagues in the entire country, every year, every age group.NO state association in the US turns out more D1 players year in and year out than CAS.
12 23 sounds like a fool.
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Breakers real team wasn't present at the South Shore contestNot to take anything away from SSE.
What about teams that bring guest players to tournaments? Doesn't that skew the results?
To the FCV poster - Since you like analysis and GS so much - here are some simple stats.FCV played 8 teams in the top 100 while Storm played 11.FCV played 6 teams ranked 400+ while Storm played 2.They both won 13 Games Storm lost 1 more game and FCV tied 2 more games. Explain to me how FCV strength of schedule is stronger again? Just the Facts m'AM'.=========================FCV ’01 = W 13, T 6, L 1, GD +28=========================12 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH15 TOPHAT 20 GOLD16 ANAHEIM SURF WHITE25 BRADDOCK ROAD YC 01 ELITE38 EAGLES 0145 TRI-STATE FA TFA ELITE 0164 PENN FUSION SA '01G PRE-ECNL84 UNITED FA UFA 02 PREMIER115 JUVENTUS SC RAGAZZE148 LAKE FOREST LFSA GIRLS U13 SELECT170 GOL GSA 02 PREMIER194 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 PRE-ECNL409 SCUFC 01 GIRLS ELITE453 MIAMI SPRINGS SOCCER MSVG 01G BLUE457 BEACH FC 01G RED727 ARSENAL FC SD 01/02 (CA S)1292 CAROLINA RAPIDS 01 BURGUNDY G2562 PIEDMONT TRIAD FUTBOL FC 01G BLACK===========PDA Storm W 13, T4, L2, GD +32===========6 STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 017 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE9 WORLD CLASS FC '01 CHARLTON11 EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ21 ALBERTSON FURY '01 PRE-ECNL34 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNL39 CFC WEST ORANGE40 CINCINNATI UNITED CUP GOLD64 PENN FUSION SA '01G PRE-ECNL74 ATLETICO FC GIRLS '0196 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC ECNL102 FSA FC U13 GIRLS PRE-ECNL 01148 LAKE FOREST LFSA GIRLS U13 SELECT230 COUNCIL ROCK UNITED FC BUCKS ESPRIT ECNL294 CONTINENTAL FC DELCO PRE-ECNL '01459 OHIO PREMIER OP ECNL2688 STRIKE FC U13G PREMIER 1
I think 2nd rate academy is MF, second tier academy is Sta.
MF Pre-ECNL would be in top flight at Jeff Cup as well.
CAS with the most D1's every year? That's what we're relating U13 to? I guess it has nothing to do with the fact that there's the 38 million that live in that state (what's NJ 8 million?). Or the fact that there is over 20 D1 women's soccer schools in that state and many more in neighboring states since it borders so many. So yeah, there may be some opportunities for the local ladies that play there since its easier for a college to recruit from their home state. Your statement holds little water of their teams being superior to our top teams. Check some of the higher ranked east coast college rosters and see where the girls are from. Wow!!! its amazing, must be the girls from the east can play soccer too. I'm not a MF or PDA parent, but your FCV love is kinda scary.
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NJ Wildcats have the smartest coach or team manager around when it comes to GS - man they are going to rack those points and maybe secure that #1 ranking in the nation again. They are playing 3 GS Spring LeaguesEDP NPLEDP CentralRegion 1 Champions LeagueThey are also rockingJefferson CupNew Jersey Cupplus a few others probably in addition to The Region1 Championships in WV and maybe two weeks in Indiana (NPL Finals and US Club National Cup)That's a pretty aggressive plan for u13? I hope you guys can keep it up for when it starts to matter for the girls. Good Luck
I will dust off my #1 foam finger and get it ready.
Nobody is going twice to Indiana
Interesting that you mention that 8:58, please elaborate!
US Club National Timeline:2015 NPL FinalsJuly 9-13, 2015Westfield, IndNational Cup XIV FinalsJuly 17-20, 2015Westfield, Ind.The Winner of their NPL goes to Indiana.The winner of NJ Cup Super Group also gain entry to US Club Soccer's National Cup finals.Also the Winner of NY Cup and PA Cup advance to theNational Cup XIV Mid-Atlantic RegionalSomerset, N.J.June 29 – July 2, 2015
How do you say "GS points are a joke" when teams that collect them - in this case STA and Wildcats - do so well vs teams that do not have them - or teams that have beaten teams that "do not have them" due to circumstance??
I love how when teams like the Breakers and Storm lose it was never their “real team”. I hate to break it to you, but most teams “real team” is the one that takes the field at tournaments. Leagues are for team development and to get “weaker” players playing time and touches. Most of the teams you play in your league are not their “real teams” so I’d take those wins with a grain of salt.Really, who pays $1000+ to enter a tournament and play their subs? Um, no one.So here are some “simple stats” for you:Since summer(current roster), FCV & PDA Storm vs. top 2%(teams that contribute 7500+) at tournaments(when the starters(real teams) are playing.Storm:8 games1-4-3 GD -4Ave rank of opponent #62FCV11 games6-1-4GD +6Ave rank of opponent #40Not even close!P.S.Nice schedule Wildcats, my daughter would be jealous!
Dude, Just one question - next year when FCV starts their u14 ECNL league - and their roster size jumps up to 24+. What do you think will be more important to them? League play which can get them a national title or Jefferson Cup vs non ECNL teams that will get them a medal. I'm willing to bet they use Jefferson cup to get more kids a look against quality opponents instead of playing the 1st team, I know that's a hard pill to swallow for the non-ecnl teams -they go to these tournaments with first team and guest players to win - ECNL teams use them as good good games vs top quality teams to prepare for LEAGUE games. But if it makes you feel better - TOURNAMENTS are more important than EDP, PAGS & LIJSL League games. But don't bring that argument to the plate when comparing National League, ECNL, Region1 CL & NPL - these leagues have a bigger prize than just a medal.Before you say FCV won't jack up their roster size - FCV Roster Size ECNL teamsu14 = 25u15 = 30u16 = 24u17 = 21u18 = 22
How is playing EDP considered tough? Please please explain. You have 1-2 games worth anything and you get to gobble points. Short sighted is on the blog again.... The girls need to be working on improving their style of play to be ready for U15-16. Anybody not doing this and instead continue to chase points, will fall behind. Happens over and over again...
7:55 EDP Spring leagueWhere do you this the Brackets posted? Can you post all U13s? Thanks in advance
Thats a big brush your using in decribing non-ecnl teams. Know for a fact Legacy never uses "guest players" and carries 17. They don't even let girls that make the team in tryouts practice till the new season starts. All player play pretty close to equal minutes (which not all parents enjoy) and usually subs come in five at a time. Someone is going to have to talk to the coach about the importance of winning those stupid medals. Sounds like another end run of "if we win we're great, but if not, then we played our lesser girls to work on skills". The grass is greener on your side of the fence because all the bullshit has been put there. Please keep it there.
Dude, why do you always feel the need to defend PL, why? You are beginning to sound like the Wildcats defender. If your team is good, they will be relevant, and will always be knocked by insecure morons. Stop protecting them, they are a legit team, be happy, and treat an negative comment as the ultimate sign of respect. Cheers!
Okay Legacy dude - not every team does what your team does that also has a WPSL team - I believe you know this to be fact. There are non-ECNL teams that carry a roster greater than 18 so obviously not all the girls can play - there are other teams that use guest players, so how do you want me to cover all these teams - I don't know maybe by lumping them in all as non-ecnl teams.So you telling me Legacy will value Jefferson Cup medal over Region1 Champions league Title? or are you going to tell me they are the same? What if that Region1 Champions League title guaranteed a spot in National League instead of just a spot at the Region1 Championships that you can get by winning NCS? Tournaments still more important than League play?
8:07Different "Legacy Dude" hereI assume you are referring to the Lancaster Inferno. They are no longer affiliated with our club as far as I know, but even when they were, it meant nothing more than we let them use one of our fields for practice and home games. Not sure what you're getting at, but it certainly wasn't some kind of benefit to our teams training or financially.
But you're not playing in an ECNL League, you're playing in a PRE- ecnl league and 9 of the 10 teams in it know that. FCV also plays the pre-ECNL teams the older teams play but they don't call it a league or brag about the results because right now they are meaningless. Next year is next year and the focus of what is "important" will change. What I find "short sighted" are teams who are always focusing on "next year" without letting the girls enjoy the here and now. Half these girls won't even play in college. Many will be burnt out. Probably because many feel more like club "assets" than kids who just want to play a game and enjoy their childhood.
8:27 - this is a board to talk u13 - so excuse me for being "short sighted" and using a league that you can actually see the results to talk about, that's my bad.Of course what's important will change from year to year. Having said that what's import to the NPL teams? Winning their league and earning a trip to a national event or playing at Jefferson cup for a medal? Also do you think thee 9 out of 10 teams will treat a game differently vs a team they play next year when it counts vs a team at any tournament they will probably never see again? And I'm short sighted, okay I'm also a shill so what ever.8:18 Didn't say your u13 team benefits - but it was the the top of the pyramid for your club, No? NJ Wildcats have a W-League team, I would imagine some of the girls will eventually play for them when not playing College Soccer as a pathway - that wasn't the case with your WPSL team?Other Penn Legacy dude, some results below so everyone can see what you are talking about.Penn LegacyVs PAGS Teams W9, T1, L1, GD +2936 RAGE SC '01 ATHLETICA 2-056 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES 1-356 YARDLEY MAKEFIELD SOCCER YMS BANSHEES 5-375 FC REVOLUTION FORCE 5-179 PA CLASSICS ACADEMY 01 3-1114 1776 UNITED FC XTREMES 2-2123 UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK 3-1123 UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE) 5-1158 PHWM SC PUMAS 7-1255 LDC UNITED ATTACK 2-0461 HULMEVILLE SC DYNAMO 7-0Vs EDP W2, T2, L0, GD +5 7 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD) 1-112 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ) 1-152 NJSA 04 GALAXY (NJ) 3-1109 PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD) 4-1Vs ECNL W1, T0, L0, GD +464 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE) 5-1Vs Others top 100 GS W2, T0, L1, GD +23 CREW JUNIORS CREW JUNIROS GOLD WEST (OS) 1-358 CREEKS SOCCER 01/02 CREEKS KRUSH ELITE (FL) 2-174 ATLETICOGU12 (NYE) 3-0Vs Others 100+ GS W3, T0, L0, GD +15 498 UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS RED (PAE) 5-01350 FUSION FC STRIKERS (PAE) 4-02843 HEREFORD HER-RICANES (MD) 6-0
Ho hey everyone!My daughter plays for the HEREFORD HER-RICANES, and I just want to say that her team was not ready for Legacy. We had some injuries, and the ref. was bad, and they were mean. Just saying, no biggie.
legacy is a dirty team and their parents are loud. drinking on the sidelines and yelling at the other teams kids. The drinking could have something to do with all the yelling. I dont think there is any reason to yell at the other teams players.
Unofficial -Girls U13 1st Division NorthHBC SPARK (NYE)BEACHSIDE SC CT BEACHSIDE (CT)NJCSA ELITE (NJ)RAMAPO VALLEY SC TORNADOS '02 (NYE)TSF ACADEMY 01/02 (NJ)LAGRANGE RAGE (NYE)MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK (NJ)FC STARS OF MASS WEST UNITED (MA)Girls U13 2nd Division NorthSMITHTOWN STARS (NYE)ALLEYCATS U13 GIRLS ELITE (NYE)SDFC SAMBA (NJ)FSA FC U13 GIRLS ELITE (CT)INTERNATIONAL GIRLS FUTBOL ACADEMY 01-02 (NJ)FC COPA ACADEMY LIMA (NJ)NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY PUMAS NPL (NJ)SOUTH CENTRAL PREMIER SPIRIT (CT)NHP WILDCATS LADY JAGUARS (NYE)SABA BROOKLYN CITY (NYE)Girls U13 Maps Elite NorthFSC FOUNDATION SC (CT)PISCATAWAY JAGUARS (NJ)EDISON UNITED SA LIGHTNING BOLTS (NJ)PARSIPPANY SC PARSIPPANY NPL (NJ)STATEN ISLAND UNITED HOT SHOTS (NYE)MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NORTH BLUE (NJ)LEVITTOWN SUPERSONICS (NYE)NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI WHITE (NJ)MT OLIVE SC BLIZZARD (NJ)THISTLE COMETS (NJ)++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Girls U13 1st Division CentralPDA SHORE FUSION (NJ)NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ)CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 (NJ)NJSCA GALAXY (NJ)PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD)LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU 01 GIRLS (PAE)NEW JERSEY RUSH 01 GIRLS BLUE (NJ)WYOMING VALLEY SC WVSC '01GIRLS (PAE)Girls U13 2nd Division CentralSOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '01 (NJ)STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 01 W (NJ)JERSEY SHORE BOCA JR FC FUSION (NJ)THE FOOTBALL CLUB OF NJ 01/02 GIRLS (NJ)JERSEY PREMIER SOCCER FLASH (NJ)NEW JERSEY RUSH HAMILTON WILDCATS 01 GIRLS (NJ)ATLANTIC UNITED ACADEMY - AVALANCHE (NJ)MEDFORD SC HURRICANES (NJ)++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Girls U13 2nd Division SouthHARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)SOUTH CENTRAL PA SCPASA 01 LADY LIONS (PAE)MARYLAND RUSH RUSH 01G (MD)ESSC/HENLOPEN WHITECAPS (DE)HFC READY '01 (PAE)Girls U13 MAPS Elite SouthREAL SHORE LAKEWOOD FC CREW (NJ)MARLBORO SA COMETS BLUE (NJ)MERCER FC SPURS (NJ)PRINCETON SA ATHLETICO (NJ)RAGE FC LIBERTY (NJ)OCEAN TOWNSHIP UNITED SA HURRICANES (NJ)WASHINGTON UNITED FEVER (NJ)ALUMNI HAWKS (NJ)
9:35!Oh no you didn’t, but you did, hahaha.Damn, and I thought the the Calvert Crew yahoos were bad, that sounds ominous. Can you please elaborate.P.S. Please pledge, as a man of honor, that all you are about to say it rue, because YOU were at the games, and that is your best, honest opinion.
Sorry Mr. Rue, I meant true.
I just do not think there is any room for alcohol at a childs sporting event. I think that tourneys should prohibit alcohol and police it. If you get caught with it you are asked to leave to fields. are you telling me you cant go a few hours without a beer? Yes, I have noticed Legacy and other teams parents sitting in tents or on the sidelines of games with beers in their hands. Cozies covering the cans but everyone knows what it is. Everyone also knows when people drink, for the most part, they get louder. Yelling at the other teams and the refs. It is a sad display. I dont want to elaborate on anything more. I hope that after the fact, the next day, some people actually feel bad at what they did or how they acted.
I have seen parents drinking at tournaments and am totally disgusted by it. I agree. There is no room for it! Drink at the hotels if you need to, not at the games! You can't call out one team though for doing this as there are MANY teams that "have that group" but it's unfortunate and don't think for a minute the other parents on the aren't embarrased by it. WE ARE!
Ya know what. This one time I saw the legacy parents have a tent up and there was strippers inside it. Now I didn't want to look, but for the sake of all the girls I went and did. Later, one my daughters wanted a drink, but I was all out of ones. Give me a frigging break!!!! Luckily your riding on such a high horse that you won't be able to smell the shit coming out of it. Does Legacy have a knucklehead parent or two? Of course (and you guys don't)? They'll get their hand slapped from time to time just like your idiot parent. Have you ever listened to your side line during a game? Sounds like a bunch of Arab women giving birth at the same time. That's why PA teams stay on their own half of the field. Is Legacy physical when needed, absolutely. But their isn't a player on the team that is "dirty". Greater Binghampton owns that honor.
Never really noticed any overt drinking, although some of the Dad’s that I have crossed paths with were a glassy eyed, but as long as he/she does not say anything stupid to our girls, or their girls. I will tolerate, and thank God that I am not in the same boat. Please don’t get me wrong, I love to have a few drinks after the games back at the hotel, or at dinner, but even then you have to be mindful of your intake. Its a vicious cycle sometimes, and some parents would do anything to make themselves seem above everyone else. Basically, Don’t Drink & Comment, no one wants to hear your soccer expertise.
Night of the Living Dead was on TV last week, and that is where Legacy is from, right? That part of PA is notorious for zombies, just saying.
6:55There was a conflict on 8/24 when South Shore dumped 6 goals on BreakersBreakers had beaten NEFC (MASS #1, currently) 4-0 the day before.The following weekend they beat S. Shore 3-2 before losing the final to East Meadow (FC Stars Cup)The 6 goals allowed by Breakers is such an OUTLIER you dont need to be such a skeptic about what is being said.(Breakers most recently handled NC #1 CASL 3-1 and is poised for a very good spring)
Someone that jokes about it ,like yourself, doesnt see it as a problem. It is just not PA but every state parents stay on their own half of the field. If not, MMA might break out on the sidelines.I would honestly have to tell you that there is no parents on my daughters current team that drinks at the fields during tourneys. what does an Arab women giving birth sound like? Is it different then any other women? Sounds just a little racist.
Go back to inflating footballs, or soccer balls! Come to think of it, if we ever play another Mass. team I am checking for that!
8:47Like I said, the Lancaster Inferno have not been associated with our club for 2 years. Yes there is one former Legacy girl playing for them as compared to 6 PA Classics players. If its some sort of “pathway” or something its to them not us.And the only thing at the “top of the pyramid” for our club are the girls. Its not about club stature or the money (we are non profit, run by volunteers with paid coaches of course) But thanks for the fall breakdown. Not bad for a team thats only been playing 11v11 together for 5 months.
Dear Legacy,Dude, what can I say. You have given your team the YST kiss of death, you are now officially the Wildcats West. Good luck with that...
9:35I assume you were trying to be funny so haha. 5 years together, they have accumulated 2 yellows and 0 reds. Physical yes, dirty no. As for all that drinking, I don’t know. Nobodies offered me one. Maybe I’ll bring up the lack of sharing at the next team meeting. I can tell you putting up with some of the ridiculous parents from other teams we have faced certainly made me wish I had brought a cooler, but no.
10:52You might need geography lesson
I actually could care less about the drinking as long as folks know their limitations. But since many people do not know their limitations, it's better to have a blanket rule wherein no drinking is allowed.Legacy is a team that doesn't get down when they give up a goal or two. Perhaps the thing I admire most about those girls is the way they rally around each other when they have a setback. They do not hang their heads and try to lift each other up. They are very mentally tough.Which is something both they and they parents should be proud of. But there are definitely a few dads on that squad that like to test the mental toughness of opponents by chirping at the opposing teams players. I've heard it. "Not having such a great day today are you number 8?" "Uh oh. Here come the tears. Here comes the waterworks!"And then, after I tell them not to yell at our players, they switch to "Way to let them know you're there, Maggie!" after Maggie has given a nice forearm to the back.Completely unnecessary stuff. But there are always going to be parents who want to insert themselves into the action. Who want to feel that they helped, even if just a little, the team win.And it simply is not true that every team has knuckleheads who do this. This is the only team I've heard that chirps at opposing players.
It was good to see a few normal people acknowledge that every team has one or a few knuckleheads. Whether its PL, MF or Wildcats or whatever. There was even a post of how ridiculous its is to consider putting 7th graders and D1 soccer in the same breath (that was refreshing). Sorry to say the one post is wrong though, NJ teams we play always have parents spread throughout both halves. I asked one parent why that is and he told me just wait a few minutes and listen, then I would understand. An arab women giving birth a racist remark? Keep riding that horse bud.
Who really cares about PA soccer. I dont think legacy is allowed to play after dark or on Sunday. The Amish dont use electric correct?
11:05You mean the best team in NJ, where all the girls actually get to play every game, the parents and players get along? Thats the same team that just won their state cup and is going to regionals and was also accepted into the best league in the region? Please tell me why thats a bad thing!Having played them this fall, I am looking forward to at least 2 or maybe three more meetings this spring/summer. Great team & parents. Wait maybe I have them confused with someone else, I’m usually drunk at the games.
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