7:09 First I am glad PDA is finally working on technical skills. Personally they need itNext, If your team was not trying to win today. Please explain to me why there was 5 minutes added for injury time, especially when there were no injuries. Your referee's tried to get your team back in the game. Fortunately, for us, it did not affect the result, the better team won today
10:01 is right on the money with being pleased if they can manage two draws and maybe a win against top flight competition. Legacy will head into the Jeff Cup without having the benefit of playing any friendlies and possibly not even getting on the big field. So for PL to come away with something similar against FC Virginia, Wildcats and NY would be a tribute to the girls ability. Good luck first game Wildcats, see you in the second one.
9:47That sounds great. if PDA does win the Spring season,I am sure you will be the first person back on here saying that you were wrong.I am sure you have no personnel bias, right?
11:03 thanks and we also look forward to the great competition next weekend.Best of luck to you as well!Neither of our teams has anything to prove to these Yoyo's.
9:39 Yes, we are sure.You won't be seeing any of our players at your tryouts.Guess you will have to develop the ones you have. Good luck with that.
The Champions League Game between Legacy and Binghampton may never happen. Binghampton first refusing a Saturday Game and asking for a Sunday play, then refusing again because the drive time would cost them two players due to time of church service and that it would affect their overall game. I am all for supporting the beliefs of families and having their youth involved. Wouldn't this have been a great chance for Binghampton to get other players involved and enjoy watching girls rise to the challenge. Instead this is simply a case of one team wanting another to come to them and play on their fields with their refs. Until there is a true commissioner and a real penalty for not playing a game scheduled, this league will falter because teams are allowed to due as they please. Of course, Binghampton did say that Legacy may come to their place and play (which Legacy did twice last year). It a shame, because the concept from Region 1 was great, unfortunately the enforcement of play lacks teeth. Hats off to South Shore Select, despite all the snow (and they have been crushed with it), is still trying to make the games happen.
Very True 8:55pmMany Fall games our team squeak by with wins\ties, when our team should have lost. Parents are very unhappy, very unhappy. Coach now, what an EGO. Really pissing off so many parents
11:18 and it's only just beginning.Impossible for that team to be happy campers with those numbers at this young age.
ECNL website shows PDA has 21 players listed on the team. Assuming 2 goalies that would mean 19 position players for 10 spots on the field. I would want to be the in the bottom 3rd of that team.
9:54, perhaps the GB girls need some time at church to atone for their nasty play, forgiveness begins at home. Its a shame though, and really does reflect poorly on the league, and to be honest its a ridiculous distant to travel for 1 game, ridiculous. PL should of played in EDP, better competition and they could stay over-night with their Wildcat pals.
Why is everyone attacking Storm for 1 loss? I have no connection with the team, but after reading the posts I have to admit that some of the rhedoric is stupid, nasty, and more stupid. No need for any Storm parent to defend, no need for anyone to attack. I guess its the price of success. My daughters team has never played Storm, but if they ever do play, I am going to tell her that this is best team in NJ, so play your very best.
11:52 no one is attacking anyone.If I post that they had a great fall and beat some great teams I can't not post if the drop one they should have had. Albertson prior to game was 3rd from bottom out of 11 the win helped them leap frog WC and FSA and helped support the posts that said they were an improved team.
True, but we all know that at any level of sports a team can beat another, 1st vs. last has created some great drama throughout history, no? Albertson is a good team, they beat EM, STA and Atletico this past December, which is impressive. I am just tired of the constant negative crap on this board.
P.S. As far as parents not being happy, haha. Please find me one parent who is completely happy, and I’ll call him/her a liar. Its the nature of competitive parents to never be completely happy, and that includes school grades.
PDA comes on this board stating we are the BEST, we are undefeated. We have the best coaching.They lose a game, all of a sudden they are working on technical skills. Not worrying about winning. BSThis coach is not playing many players. He is focus on a select few only. Be on a bottom 3rd, not bad if you are playing. This is not the way at PDA.I have been saying this for sometime, this team is very dysfunctional. Parents do NOT LIKE EACH other.The World Class, Match Fit and even Wildcats parents get along
It is all a matter of being ready, 12:17STORM was ill prepared for the Albertson swarm.And you dont get league games back.They could still win it all. It'll be interesting.
12:30, were you at the game? What do you mean by swarm, did they press PDA? Its what all good teams must do, press, press, press, and that’s when the magic word comes into play, fitness. Its one thing to be fast, its another to be quick, but being fit is the most important factor if teams are equally matched skill-wise. If a team can press their opponent they will win the majority of games, because at this age, the girls are still prone to kick-away out of trouble, not hold and shield until a player becomes open.
Re: parents not liking each otherThe club creates such competition between players, rather than family atmosphereThey make it about getting ahead in the sport, about college, when the kids are so young.Long range goals are great but the air of always needing to know where your daughter stands in team pecking order leads to unrest
12:36Its a message board. Question and answer is down the hall.
12:41, you are right, I did get the message that you are an asshole last night, sorry that I forgot.
EM v PDA result ?
Or was it cancelled due to lack of fitness?
11:52.. Very best in NJ? How did you arrive at that statement. Don't get me wrong. PDA is a quality team but to say they are the best team in NJ is premature. Judge this team not the club. Can you make a argument to put them #1?
12:57, I have to admit that was funny, but you make light of my profound statement. If you don’t think conditioning and fitness deter the outcome of games then you have no clue about soccer. Go NYCFC!
Its just my opinion 12:58, they seem to be the best based upon the strength of schedule, and no I don't really want to debate, I need to make my daughter run a few laps before it starts raining.
EM forgot to set their clocks forward, they forfeited the game, PDA will gladly take the win.
EM played World Class0-0 tieEM could have pulled within one point of PDA, who now has a 3 point lead on Match Fit (who won) and EM
Going to be some wacky results in early spring. Teams have had various levels of practice outdoors and indoors. My daughters team has only been outdoors once for practice and scrimmage. Very little indoor practice since January. Scores this weekend could be a reflection of this. Will make for a very interesting Jefferson Cup. Southern teams should have an advantage. Interested to hear how teams have been practicing over the past month. Couldn't have been much outdoors.
Anyone have some insights into Albertson? They seem to get blown out some games and are competitive in others. They lost to Storm in Fall 5-0.
1:15That was so yesterday!EM & PDA were scheduled to play at 10 this morning, but since PDA Parents were on here this morning, I'd guess that game was postponed.
Yes, postponed a while ago.....soooo yesterday, dudeBoth teams likley happy to not have 2 in one weekend this early
9:54 & 11:47That game will happen, the fine is high and a forfeit I believe eliminates the teams from both the regional bid and the national league berth, and that's the real prize IMO. Who is playing EDP that you think would have been better competition than Reg 1 league? THe driving is just the drawback to being an elite team.
I think 1:27 is right. My daughters team has had a decent amount of indoor practice but not much outdoors.
No one has had any outdoor practices, its all indoor, and we all know that you have to practice on the big-field to become use to spacing, its going to be ugly for a few weeks. But, if we play indoors we are good to go! 1:42 good one.
With Albertson - are they whole?In many of the results the past year that did not go their way - no - you didnt see the entire current roster at the gameSame for other teams? Yeah, thats fair as well.
Why wasn't the full roster there at every game for Albertson? Injuries? Or do some girls not travel?
PDA pulled another PDA move.Once they lost to Albertson yesterday, they decided to canceled game vs EM. Normal BS
I agree that is BS. If game could have been played it should have been played.
Storm could have worked on their technical and tactical skills today on a 49 degree temperature but they don't want their butt kicked by EM.
3:25 Yes, I heard they are cancelling the whole Storm season.From now on they will only train and play friendlies at PDA vs other pda teams or international teams.And no observers will be allowed at games and scores will not be posted.They will still play 40 minute halves and all 24 girls will be allowed to dress every game and all the 12 field subs will each play 3 minutes per half(36 minutes total) with the starters playing the remaining 4 minutes per half each so there is maximum development for all.Oh, and the keepers will split time. Once this was announced the GS and PA guys calculated that fully 15 minutes of that total of 40 minutes per half of playing time will actually be used by subs running on and off the field.Also the above system will be put into the USSF guidelines for all youth teams/players/clubs for maximum development.
3:50 Too funny!!
Yet somehow they will still send over 50 girls per year to D1 schools.
I thought that was funny. Peculiar funny. No need for the name calling.
Soccer fans 60k plus to watch a US pro league game.BRAVO Orlando. Watch out Seattle. We still don't have that kind of Support in the Mid-Atlantic / Northeast. DC United played a champions league game in front of no one. But Montreal packed in 30k+ I hope NYFC, Red Bulls, Philadelphia & New England do better. We need support then our youth will have a true passion for the game and as the league gets stronger the more creative players come over the more our kids will see first hand from the stands. Good Time
WC did what storm couldn't do - beat Albertson to reclaim 8th place.3 World Class FC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL0 Albertson SC 01 U13 Pre-ECNL
You could have just called them pompous PDA Parents. That certainly would have been accurate.
Only issue PDA has now, Is Match Fit belongs to same league. I personally thought MF Commitments are more impressive than PDAsThey are not the only kid on the block any longer.Now they have to teach skills instead of stealing the better players. The biggest question that the whole soccer industry has, can they do this?I do not believe they can
Look for WC to win their bracket at Jeff Cup, with 2 tough games played, they will be tough to beat.
I see it's acceptable for PDA people to engage in name calling of that gentlemen. TSK, tsk.Or are you really as pompous as described.
So much for the theory that Albertson is just a much improved team.
I think its more about PDA not being as good as advertised than Albertson improving to new heights.WorldClass certainly proved that today if the 3-0 score is accurate.
The latest updates about girls youth soccer talks about the need for a DA and possible birth year changes coming soon. How will this effect current teams? Could be huge impact for the older girls. They also talk about the importance of girls playing up. Thoughts?
Another PDA infomercial to change the subject.
What does the above have to do with PDA ? gonaway troll.
6:21Is this a new statement? If so please provide a link. 6:32Don't be so cynical, the entire soccer universe doesn't revolve around PDA.
Would love to know if this birth year change will happen and if it will take affect this year. Game changer if so!
DA , age changes in youth soccer , playing up.What does this and PDA have to do with each other? Give it a break already. Storm lost a game and we all love it , now move on please.
Soccer AmericaWomen aim not to get run over No mention of PDA - so settle down trolls.
6:58That has nothing to do with PDA!!! Not everyone on this board cares about PDA!!! Wow
I'll say it here. Wildcats will win thier bracket and will be in finals at Jeff Cup with a good shot of winning it all.
.S. Soccer is exploring three initiatives that it hopes will strengthen the women's program:-- residency program for girls;-- development academy for girls; and-- summer program for college women."I think it is quite likely that at least a couple of those programs will be implemented relatively shortly," said Gulati, "and we'll look at all three."-Soccer America
I hope they do - because a 1.00 PTs per game AVG in F1 is not very good and those days at F1 might be numbered.
Lot of rain coming in Richmond.Not looking good for Jeff Cup.
7:39 ECNL makes the most sense to me for DA followed by USL W-League as the summer program for college women as it is D2 for NWSL and since MLS and USL also have a relationship.That would be special College Soccer going to a full year - Starts in Fall Ends in Spring but continues with a summer program. VERY NICE.
Hell NO, letting PDA get off. Not a chance. After hearing this team is undefeated all winter long. They lose. They need to hear about it.Especially how a loss brings out the parents whose child did not play much. Many players will be at MF, WC tryouts
7:39 still trying to stir up trouble.He is not from wildcats.Wildcats will be happy to hold their own in that tough bracket.FCV definitely has earned the favorite role on that side of bracket.Would say Cincinnati slight favorite on other side of bracket.FCV odds on to win it all based on recent past performance.Very strong side.
At this age group, Is PDA truly a better ECNL choice than Matchfit I am not so sure as this age group is strong at match fit Both teams are good teams but only one can go to the playoffs next year at u14.I think it gives the kids and parents who want to play in the ECNL some real solid choice.PDA may have the pedigree but i believe they dropped the ball at the u13 level.Thoughts?
Thoughts?I think they are a quality team. What else is there to say?Have no idea what the turnover to U14 will look like
To be honest, tough call. I see Match Fit is doing very well to date in all age group (same as PDA) with exception of U14 (neither PDA or MF fairing well here)I am not a PDA fan, I was never a fan of all things they do to tilt things in their favor.
Rain prediction for Jeff Cup only getting worse. Not looking good.
It does say on website that top flights and u16-u18Have turf fields as a back up, so they will at least get to play
They lost a lot of money last week, and canceling this weekend would be disastrous for them, that said, they may forgo all grass-field games, so u-10-u12 might not happen, but our games are on turf. It just shapes up as a miserable playing environment, such is a soccer-life!
Jeff CupTop bracket plays at Striker Park1 turf field there2nd bracket plays at Ukrops Park0 turf field3rd bracket plays at Stratton park2 turf fields4th,5th & 6th bracket plays at Dorey park0 turf fields7th bracket plays at Warhill SC GrassBu there are 7 turf fields there8th & 9th bracket plays at James county0 turf fieldsSo there are turf fields around to use if the weather gets bad but will they switch to them?
I think that at this point they should seriously consider moving all games to only turf fields, otherwise you are going to have some really sloppy games this weekend, and weeks of serious complaining on this board.
There has already been years of serious complaining here, why stop now. :)
I know, I know, but what happened to the positive and encouraging blog that one poster tried to start, it lasted like 2 hours, oh well.Personally, my daughter would be devastated to not go to Jeff Cup, she loves staying at a hotel and hanging with her teammates outside of the soccer field, especially since she does not go to school with any of them, its a chance to just a chance to be a young lady, and we all know that girls just want to have fun : )
To be honest, we are praying it's cancelled. My wife went last year and I have to go this year, can't stand the drive, especially Sunday coming home.
Yeah, the drive sucks, 7-8 hours for us, but what can we do, pray for rain? P.S. Please don’t.
Some of you may not be cut out for this.Theres no place on earth I'd rather be this weekend because nothing makes my daughter happier than playing soccer.
Thank you Mr. Soccer-pants.8:48, your daughter will not be so happy when she, and her team, lose to my kids team! So expect some “Daddy, I thought you said we were going to win?” on the drive home.
8:48Where did that come from?!?First, my daughter is mature enough to realize that success this weekend doesn't nessessarily mean going 4-0 and taking home a trophy. If your kids team can beat mine, good for them, they must be one heck of a squad and we will enjoy the competition. Second, anyone who is telling their kid they are going to win (I assume you are D1) is setting them up for disappointment. I told mine they will have 3-4 great, hard fought games against the best teams in the region. All are sklled and the winner will come down to who plays with the most heart 100% of every game. And as long as she plays her heart out, which she always does, we will have a great drive home together. Mr. Soccer-pants
I know you are into it 9:08, just jerking-your-chain.WTF, why not have some fun on this board, its always so serious, and self-important. I tell me kid the same stuff, play hard and play fair, and let the chips land where they may. TBH: I just want her to feel like she played well, and not worry about her weaker teammates, which she does occasionally, its not out of malice, its leadership in my opinion. P.S. Glad you wear the soccer-pants in your family ; )
Most often doesnt come down to playing with heartI think teams are pretty even in the WANT TO department
9:34, could not disagree more.Most of the teams in the top 3 flights in the tournament are all equally-skilled. They all train with intensity, and have learned their positions. The outcome of most of these pressure-packed games is based on who gives 100%, and who gives 99%.That, and luck.
9:39 I disagreeYou can give 100% all you want - sometimes that doesn't come close.No teams are equally skilled once we leave the top 1% of teamThey might all be athletic some bigger than others but it will come down to one of the below:Who chases the ball and leaves their spot open on? Who kills an attack because their pass doesn't have the proper weight? Who doesn't pass the ball to the open player because they have their head down and is not seeing the field. Who dribbles the ball half the field only to lose possession.I hate saying it but a team will win because of a mistake a player makes on the other team. These are u13 girls playing soccer, the pros make mistakes and so will these kids. The winners won't care, but you can only have one winner in every flight. So just enjoy and remember it's only a game.
10:05But that's just it, we are only talking about the top 1% of teams, at least in D1. I belive all these teams have tied each other some on multiple occasions this fall. All are equally skilled. And giving 100% means mentally as well as physically btw.
10:12 your assumption is that the teams in F1 are in the top 1%. They might be the best teams in this tournament but that doesn't put them in the top 1%. All these teams are good.
Regarding tryout registration through Got Soccer, anyone know if your current team/coach will see that you registered for tryouts at different club? It would show up on the players page as an upcoming event but does your current team see that?
wins only:a) one team clearly superior, knocks in a goal or 3 and wins- 35% of timeb) teams are equal and a mistake by the defense or a supreme offensive effort for the winner proves decisive- 55%c) team that wins was outplayed but opponent could not score and winner was off one quick counter, a restart or a sloppy misplay by the loser- 10%
10:21Are you kidding me? 7 of those 8 are ranked in the top 1% of the country and don't even try to argue PF isn't also on that level. Who else in Reg 1 is better? PDA and NEFC fell flat this weekend against inferior competition. EM, MF Pre-E?, maybe but have they beaten any of those teams to prove they are better?
10:53Nice made up statistics. I've seen hundreds of games from rec to premier to college to pro and I can probably count on ine hand the number of times I watched a team that played with more heart lose.
Who beat NEFC?
10:58 I will take you up on this challenge? What are you using to say 7 0 of the 8 teams are ranked in top 1%?is it apples to apples across all 50 states? Are you using GS? I hope not.For GS to be valid - every league needs to use GS,every tournament needs to use GS. AND we know that is not fact.Example.NYCSL NPL gives points for Fall and Spring even though it's a straight through league. So teams playing in this league bring higher points to any tournament they play in. On the flip side PAGS doesn't give GS points at all.Using your argument PAGS D1 would be a 9k flight. That would increase their ranking and decrease NYCSL NPL team rankings. Those are the two extremes - then we have NPL pre-ECNL flight also a straight through league giving points just once instead of twice one for fall and the other for spring That's 10k awarded to teams twice. This would also shift the balance of the top 1%. I'm not even talking about tournaments like the Pre-ECNL SC event - a 10k topflight that will go unnoticed. But yet you are going to quote GS and say 7 of the 8 teams are in the top 1%. I truly hope you don't believe that.
Match Fit beat Cincy Cup Gold....., 10:58
STORM vs top 8 in NJ, last 12 months.....2-0 vs Ajax1-1 vs NJXany others?
1 tie each with STA and MF ECNL.
Storm Lost 2-3 to Calvert Crew in November
0-2 vs wildcats last May
These 3 teams can not be considered top 1% They have played in top flights and their pts per game avg is under 1.50Are you going to tell me that a winning % under .500 is top 1%?Please stop. Good teams for sure - I couldn't tell you if they were top 1% and you for sure can't unless you have seen every team play in all 50 states to make such a claim.Top flights of major events or pre-ECNL leaguePF 1.38 Pts per game or .500 winning%Crew 1.14 Pts per game or .429 winning%NJ Wildcats 1.00 pts per game or .444 winning%Are you SAYING these teams are top 1%???
Is it true FCV has been practicing outside since early Feb? Haven't they had much snow on the ground down there?
storm vs. ajax.... you're really using that match-up? that's hysterical. would the PDA brass really put their 'A' team in danger of losing to it's 'B' team? losing to ajax wouldn't bee good for recruiting. I'm not saying the games are fixed... but I'm sure there are measures taken to ensure the "right" result.
11:09They entered the b level GPS tournament and failed to make the finals. On that level, yes, better, no.
On the flip side PL and FCV both have a pts per game avg over 2 and a winning % of .750 in top flights of major events.You still saying I have a thing for PL?Am I still looking to knock them or am I trying to be fair?As far as PDA - Isn't Storm A - Dragons B, Ajax C and Shore D?At u13 Storm is Pre-ECNL aka ADragons beat Ajax head 2 head and also finished higher in the standings of the same league, wouldn't that make Dragons B team? But I guess if you go by Jefferson Cup flights Ajax is B team and Dragons are C team. let's see what happens in NJ Cup and in Spring NPL both teams are in the same events. that's how an outsider sees things.
Top 1% of country is 56 teams. Assume half are reg 1 &2 that's 28. Pls name 28 teams, no order needed that are better. BTW, I would put MF on this level,but no team is truly "better".
Every team in top flight at jeff cup is in top 1%.They are all competitive at the highest level and have a chance to win vs ANY U13 team on any given day.They rarely lose games even to other top teams. Nobdy wins most of their games vs teams at this elite level.that is the whole point they are all very competitive and there are many ties between all of them when they play each other.the way you determine teams that are Not in that top level or 1% is that when the teams that do not belong play vs teams at that elite level they get blown out by 3-5 goals or go home 0 and 3.
No, 11:38Storm is AThe rest are "not the A"Why did one poster say CALVERT whe the list was of New Jersey opponents? I dont knowThe Wildcats games - yep, there is thatPoint is best team in NJ doesnt have to prove it often. And has a 30% or so New Jersey win rate....
PDA Storm also lost to Cup Gold, who Match Fit defeated.Wildcats and Match Fit have claims to best in NJI am fine with just listing a top 3 and having no order. STA knocks on the door, of course.
Dear YST readers,It is official, my daughters team is better than your daughters team, please don't complain. We have the best trainingWe have the hottest looking Mom’sWe have the coolest uniformsSimple, carry-on.
Storm also 2-0 win vs NJCSA Galaxy (when they were Imperials)
Below are some of the states of region 3 & 4.WA and OR arenot big GS users either is the Southeast. I think we need to stop thinking our crap doesn't stink and open our eyes.Region 4 hasCA, WA & ORRegion 3 hasFL, GA, NC & TXWhen it comes to supporting SoccerNJ, NY, PA, DC & NE are at the bottomhaving said that.750 PL.750 FCVthese 2 belong in the top flight.500 PF.444 NJ wildcats.429 CalvertThese 3 teams should be replaced and looking at results no spin - I can see F2 or F3 teams getting a look in the future over these teams.
At this age Reg 1 teams consistantly beat the best FL,GA,and NC has to offer. TX is of coarse a different story but no match ups yet to compare. With the exception of 2-3 teams Reg 2 doesn't compare either. CA is likewise in a league of there own but OR and WA? Might want to consider AZ as well. And just because I'm looking at GS, don't think I'n so short sighted as to just see the point totals. You can get a pretty good idea of a team by looking over the record - MF vs STA for instance.
11:57That was a forfeitTeam already folded
12:14 just keep dreaming and rationalizing.That is the only way you will ever see F1 again with your team.They are NEVER going to put ECNL clubs B Teams in the top flights of these elite tournaments.Even your own clubs don't want that.
11:57.. That 2-0 win was a forfeit. The game was never played
12:14 is obviously a team from F2 or F3 at Jeff Cup and have to make a caseYour logic is just that, your own logic.
How do they expect to be moved up to F1 when they can't win the B and C flights?
12:14 -It's old NJX Celtic all along.they have grinded that axe down till it's dull.
Wow. dude - slow your roll with Penn Legacy. They are still in 11 v 11 diapers.
You guys had better lobby for more forum space early. At this rate we will be at 5000 before the weekend
12:38 Like I said - you can spin or try to deflect however you like it still doesn't change the fact that a team with a winning % under .500 has their days numbered as F1. PDA Ajax, NJ Crush and NYSC just got knocked out of the top flight. NJX hasn't seen a top flight at a major this season.These winning% are fact at major tournaments ONLY (Spirit, FC Stars, Bethesda, WAGS). A sub .500 is not elite, but you can spin it that way.I believe Calvert was given the nod as they were the elite champions last year. The right decision they had to promote them. Without that no way they are F1..444 NJ wildcats.333 PF.333 CalvertTeams no longer in F1 of major events.500 PDA Ajax.250 NYSC.167 NJ Crush
This is the last 3 months for the old NJX. Enjoy it people. It was good while it lasted
ajax had their chance at top flight last year and were non-competitive at 0-3 outscored 10-1 at jeff cup in f1.I don't think they are lobbying to be F1 again anytime soon.
Have decisions been made?
1:36That is what he said
1:25 you haven't said who you think is more deserving for F1 in future than PF, Wildcats and Calvert.who are you promoting from F2 or F3 that is more deserving of F1 status?Who has a better resume in recent F1 or vs top teams overall than those 3 who are currently being placed in lower flights?
NJX was over the day they signed up for Matchfit. Why are we still talking about them. 2 different philosophies. NJX cared about their teams. Matchfit only cares about the individual players.
1:39Wouldnt that depend on this spring's results and also next fall?
NJX is what happens when the team leader and the club leader know that they are not capable and they look for the life raft in the form of MF. MF is what happens when they read the above and know that they have the team and club by the shorties and can walk in and take over the team, the money and the decision making.
1:39 I haven't looked into it that much, will look at it later. For Starters:PA Classics regular season PAGS Champs lost a PLAYOFF andas such were runners up (I hate Playoffs). STA NYCSL NPL number 2 team because of a forfeit plus some really good results vs pre-ecnl teams WC, FSA & PDA.I will look at it later for the teams to see if anyone else should get a shot in my opinion.
Don't really see any F2 or F3 teams that have better or even comparable overall resumes at this point than those 3 vs F1 teams so how does your argument make sense.Maybe close to a .500 winning percentage vs the best of the best is above the level needed to be in the top 8 or top 12 at these events.Logically only half the teams at most who are playing in top flights can be over .500 winning percentage so that only leaves a very few teams who would qualify under your calculations. Your data is therefore incomplete without showing those percentages and gf and ga as well as ties vs the teams in F1 regularly for those who you consider on the bubble as well as the 3 mentioned. After all your formula would show winning percentage as the same for a team with 1 w 1 loss and 4 ties as for a team with 1 w and 0 ties 5 losses. giving the same credit for a loss as for a tie is illogical.A tie is a credible result vs F1 teams much more so than a loss.Certainly the flight coordinators are giving more weight to a tie than a loss in their deliberations.Your date is therefore flawed and incomplete for flighting purposes.
You are correct.What 1:25 is doing is called spinning.Massaging the numbers until you find a way to present them in a manner that will provide the illusion of the results you want.
STA vs Top Teams above .500,Still not sure how this team isbelow Ajax, NJ Crush and NYSC.1-2 vs East Meadow ECNL1-0 vs FSA ECNL0-0 vs PDA Storm3-2 vs WC ECNL
There is only 1 formula for winning %and .444 & .333 is under .500 that means the team does not win half their games. Call it spinning if you like if it makes you feel better. But there is only 1 formula for winning % and it has nothing do do with anything else. it's black and white either you won or you didn't is that spinning?
Is 4-1-4 a good mark vs top teams?That's .444
1:55"For Starters:PA Classics regular season PAGS Champs lost a PLAYOFF andas such were runners up (I hate Playoffs)."You are funny. Who has PA Classics even played let alone beat? PAGS? Come on , that is a terrible league.
1:55There is no such thing as a "PAGS regular season champion" at u-13. Only on PAC's website will you find such a made up title. The league is staggered so not all teams play each other in the regular season. PAC avoided games with PL & YMS, neither of whom they would likely have beaten. And truthfully, if not for the phenomenal play if their goalie, and 1 bad call by the ref, the championship game could have been 6-0. Add to that they are losing perhaps the best coach in the club for next year and I just don't see them as a D 1 team going forward.
207 you should consider working for the Federal Government. They can use data spinners like yourself.
Classics beat Cleveland FCTies with STA, Crush and BRYCSolid wins vs PA East clubs
Last time Ajax played Wildcats they won 3-1. STA has lost last 3 games against Wildcats2-02-03-1That's why Ajax is ahead of STA.Quality team just not a F1 team
2:12 .444 is under .500 not sure what else you want me to say. it is what it is a sub .500 winning % - are you telling me this is F1 worthy?2:14 I agree about PAGS, but does that mean their door stays closed and we continue giving teams like PF and Calvert with their .333 winning % a run in F1 when is enough enough and give a new team a shot? 2:19 so why would PAGS make a 12 team D1 if doesn't have a balanced schedule. Why not just do 10 and everyone plays 9 games. That's a little bit of amateur league it sounds like. Regardless - Playoffs are nothing more than a second chance after you failed the first time around (I hate playoffs).
depends on who u play, pal
2:29 the 2-0 results are 2 games or is it one game that counts as twice that's such a NJ thing. NJ Wildcats are .444 vs top teamsSTA is.625 vs top teamsSo instead of giving STA who has an above .500 record vs top teams a chance we continue running a sub .500 team vs top teams? go GERMANY 3-1 taking apart Marta and Brasil
STA is a bit new to the elite tourney partyLets see how they do this week.
2:48 just having some fun - I just put out F1 results of major tournaments and said 3 of the local teams are sub .500 and should not be F1. I have been accused of spinning winning % of top flights of majors to make these teams look bad. .444 & .333 is the same any way you try and list it. You played X amount of games and won Y amount of them. Simple math.Is STA new to elite party? I don't know they look like GS point chasers.Get Spring/fall points for NYCSL & EDP plus 10 tournaments. Is that elite? or did they just accumulate a bunch of points because they had more opportunities than everyone else. But when you see that they beat FSA and WC ECNL teams plus tie PDA ECNL only to lose by 1 to EM ECNL team. How do you not give them a shot - F3, really because PDA Ajax beat NJ Wildcats who beat them. If we were going to play that game why aren't Dragons in F2 and Ajax in F3? Didn't Dragons beat Ajax straight up? Didn't Dragons finish ahead of them in the standings? Dragons are not F1 ready they have played no one but F2 why not they beat Ajax this year? YMS beat PL 3-1 and lost 3-5 to PL outside of that haven't played anyone really but why not F2 chance? They showed they can hang with a F1 team scoring 6 goals against them.How do teams move up if you don't allow them by running the same sub.500 teams?I will drop this and give you the last word.
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2:45. 2 different games on two different days
I think you are talking to yourself 3:15
12:14..wish we could all move to fair weather states to train outside all year round!! Sounds like the ticket to me.
3:30 Yeah looks that way. I may have got everyone to dizzy with all my spinning
All of the NE teams would get smoked by California and Texan teams.
Have you seen any of the Texas or California teams play in the age group? I doubt it! How many National Championships have PDA won? I am not a PDA fan or parent but you have to understand that in the next few years, when all the top players find a true home, we as NJ, will be stacked. It's either going to be at PDA or MFA. TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. That team will compete with TX or CA.
But I do think you should review the current national ranks for the U16, U17 and U18 groupsYou may have been misled.
1:25 and 2:07 Let me see if I can break it down another way that you can understand.According to your winning percentage formulaA team that goes to jeff cup and plays in top flight and ties all 3 games gets a .0 winning percentage in your formula.also at jeff cup this weekend another team in the same top flight loses all 3 games and also gets the same .0 winning percentage.According to you the team with 3 ties should receive no more consideration from the flight coordinators for next years top flighting then the team that lost all 3 games.In ANY tournament or League that plays soccer ties ALWAYS count for positive points, while in ANY tournament or league losses ALWAYS get you 0 points.If your formula makes no differentiation between losses and ties than it is FLAWED as a measure of results. Do you really think that like yourself the flight coordinators will only look at number of wins ?there are normally more ties than w's or ls when top teams square off at these events.
5:42Which rankings do you go by?
5:48 Yes, of course they look at the entire body or work.also remember that a loss couled be by more than 1 goal and a sign of being non-competitive in F!, as was the case with NJ Crush or Ajx last spring at jeff cup.A tie on the other hand shows a team played very competitively vs another F1 Team. How can 3 or 4-0 shutout losses count same as ties?
Good point 6:31. But I'm sure you have also seen ties that have been absolutely dominated by one team. A game where one team is keeping possession and firing away, but either the keeper is standing on her head making saves, or there is so many in the box that outside the eighteen possession is all that's there. If a coach knows he doesn't have the horse's to play full field, packing the box and hoping for a set play score is their best option. And I think we all have seen this many times.
STA will only implode just as their U14 team.
A tie is better than a loss no matter how you slice it.and a tie gets you a point while a loss gets you 0 points.therefore any formula that doesn't give a tie more credit than a loss is clearly flawed.Most of the ties I saw in the F1 games were the result of competitive games, not from 1 team playing everyone back and never mounting any attack of their own.Plus as many of the ties have been 1-1 as have been 0-0, so your example does not hold water across the board.
9:11i have seen this with wins and loses as well.So your point has no merit.
First it's not my formula - it's the formula every body uses.A Loss = 0.0A Tie = 0.5A Win = 1.01W, 1T, 1L = .5000W, 3T, 0L = .500What's your complaint?1W, 6T, 2L = .444 it's a losing record. No spin - not my formula - just a fact.
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Is someone really argueing STA over NJ Wildcats for a spot in D1? Against the rest of the D1 field NJW is 1-5-1 with a GD of 0 and the only loss a one goal game against FCV, possibly the best team on the east coast. STA is 0-3 with a GD of -6(all games lost by 2 goals) 2 of which were to the wildcats. Come on!
Oops, that would be bad. Sorry I meant 1Win, 5 Ties, 1Loss for wildcats.
Teams are in top flight because they should be.Your team is not because they obviously shouldn't be.Here's the formula for that:F1 = 8 teams minus your team which equals too bad for you
No one said Wildcats. I just said NJ Wildcats, PF & Calvert are all F1 teams with a losing record playing F1 teams at major tournaments. Can't put that any way but one - these teams have a losing record - sub .500.I was asked to give a team that should get a shot. I said STA based on winning record vs PDA, EM, WC and FSA ECNL teams W2, T1, L1. What did I say that was a stretch?10:41 don't forget 2 goal loss to PDA Ajax. So you believe F1 should have teams with sub .500 records? instead of giving another a shot? That's cool. I think you know where Istand
11:02I didn't firget Ajax, the D1 field I was referring to was the one a Jeff Cup, my #s are accurate, thanks.
11:01 I will be at home next weekend.But that still doesn't change the fact that NJ Wildcats, PF and Calvert are all sub .500 teams vs F1 teams.But you can take another shot at me if you like if it makes you feel better.
STA will be lucky to win their group, please give it a rest. Also could you list the teams that are + .500 this fall against Other D1 teams?
You are right to be fair - I have listed every team that played in F1 at the below tournamentsWAGS Spirit BethesdaDisney CASL DiscoveryFC StarsI think this is all the majors. This Spring we will have Jefferson, PDA & Delco. Let me know If missed any majors and why you think it should be included fora little more fun. 1.000 EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ (NYE)0.889 CREW JUNIORS CREW JUNIROS GOLD WEST (OS)0.833 TOPHAT 20 GOLD (GA)0.833 DALLAS TEXANS 02 DALLAS (TXN)0.800 UNITED FA 02 PREMIER (GA)0.769 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)0.750 MICHIGAN WOLVES-HAWKS 02 (MI)0.750 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNL (MA)0.750 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)0.667 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NORTH UNITED (MA)0.667 SOUTH SHORE SELECT ELITE (MA)0.667 HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE)0.667 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MA)0.643 CREEKS 01/02 KRUSH ELITE (FL)0.571 CASL JUNIORS LADIES (NC)0.500 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX (NJ)0.500 TENNESSEE SC 20 (TN)0.500 LAKE FOREST SA LFSA GU12 SELECT (IL)0.500 CINCINNATI UNITED CUP GOLD (OS)0.500 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC PRE ECNL (NJ)0.500 GOL SA 02 PRE-ECNL (GA)0.500 LTSC STRIKERS (MD)0.444 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ)0.429 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)0.417 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT (NYW)0.417 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MD)0.417 JFC STORM 01/02 (FL)0.400 BRYC 01 ELITE (VA)0.389 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)0.333 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)0.333 TRI-STATE FA TFA ELITE 01 (OS)0.333 MIAMI SPRINGS SOCCER 01 BLUE (FL)0.333 ARSENAL FC SD SD 01/02 (CAS)0.333 SOUTH CAROLINA UNITED 01 ELITE (SC)0.333 1776 UNITED XTREMES (PAE)0.333 NJSA 04 GALAXY (NJ)0.333 FC STARS OF MASS ECNL (MA)0.250 NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE)0.250 UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE)0.167 WEST FLORIDA FLAMES EAST (FL)0.167 PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD)0.000 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)0.000 WESTON FC 01 PREMIER BLACK (FL)0.000 BOCA UNITED 01/02 NPL (FL)0.000 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJ)
Just teams from NY,MA,NJ, PA, MD & VA1.000 EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ (NYE)0.769 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)0.750 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNL (MA)0.750 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)0.667 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NORTH UNITED (MA)0.667 SOUTH SHORE SELECT ELITE (MA)0.667 HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE)0.667 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MA)0.500 PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY AJAX (NJ)0.500 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC PRE ECNL (NJ)0.500 LTSC STRIKERS (MD)0.444 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ)0.429 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)0.417 GREATER BINGHAMTON FC 01 SELECT (NYW)0.417 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MD)0.400 BRYC 01 ELITE (VA)0.389 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)0.333 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)0.333 1776 UNITED XTREMES (PAE)0.333 NJSA 04 GALAXY (NJ)0.333 FC STARS OF MASS ECNL (MA)0.250 NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE)0.250 UKRAINIAN NATIONALS BLASTERS BLACK (PAE)0.167 PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD)0.000 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)0.000 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJ)
iduals that are in fear of their playing time. Except for a few that have been playing the entire games because parents threaten to leave every time Suzie is taken out. Wellll done Coach.
Looking at Jeff cup F1 by winning%.Group A looks wide open while Group B should come down to FCV and PL. A few more days to go good luck all.Group A 0.500 CINCINNATI UNITED CUP GOLD (OS) 0.400 BRYC 01 ELITE (VA)0.389 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)0.333 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)Group B0.769 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)0.750 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)0.444 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ)0.333 TRI-STATE FA ELITE 01 (OS)
PDA Tournamnet possible F11.000 EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ (NYE)0.889 CREW JUNIORS GOLD WEST (OS)0.833 TOPHAT 20 GOLD (GA)0.800 UNITED FA 02 PREMIER (GA)0.769 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)0.750 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNL (MA)2 of these 30.667 FC STARS OF MASS NORTH UNITED (MA)0.667 SOUTH SHORE SELECT ELITE (MA)0.667 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MA)This is a sick F1 if it happens this way.FC Delco possible F1 0.889 CREW JUNIORS GOLD WEST (OS)0.769 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)0.750 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNL (MA)0.750 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)0.667 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MA)0.400 BRYC 01 ELITE (VA)0.389 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)0.333 TRI-STATE FA TFA ELITE 01 (OS)
7:25, that is a pretty funny statement, sorry. We all suffer with the specter of playing-time for our child, but threatening to leave the team is extremely petty, and self-centered. If a family on our club did that, they would be shown the door. Plenty of families in our area would jump at the chance to play for our club. Not important what team you are with, it happens to many teams. Good luck to you.
Dear stats man,Is your daughters team playing at Jeff Cup this weekend?
Where is PDA Storm in those lists????Plus, I think you stated you will not be at Jeff Cup this weekend. Hmmmmm, could this be a disgruntled PDA storm cronie.We will never know, but sure looks that way.
Unless all teams have played the same opponents and the same number of games under the same conditions then your stats are useless and basically comparing apples to oranges.Sorry dude, just not buying it.
What you're asking the guy for is impossible, same conditions? Come on!
field conditions for grass fields will be sloppy this weekend at Jeff Cup. Teams from the Northeast at a big disadvantage as they haven't been able to get outside and play large sided all winter. Good Luck
7:44 - No8:14 - Storm didn't play in any of those major tournaments on the east coast - I can't just throw them in for shits and giggles. So now I'm with Storm because I'm talking about tournaments they didn't play in? Hint - you are the one that brought up Storm - not me.8:28 - Don't be a tool - there can only be one tool on the blog and I hold that title. I've been saying that all along. But since there are posters that like to throw around being in F1 of major tournaments is end game. I played along and posted all the F1 teams and their winning % from only the major tournaments. You can never compare apples to apples because we have 50 states with thousands of teams so who's trying to spin? Not I my list is simple Major tournaments and F1 only.Sure I would look for ways to say the data is flawed if I was under .500. I wanted to include EDP Cup and NEWSS
Here since you think I'm with PDA I'll give you some more data to feed your fire.Some posters said NJ teams can't win in F1 of majors, are they right? it looks that way.0.500 PDA AJAX (NJ)0.500 MF PRE ECNL (NJ)0.444 NJ WILDCATS AVERBUCH (NJ) 0.333 NJSA 04 GALAXY (NJ)0.000 NJ CRUSH FC TSUNAMI (NJ)How about PA?0.750 PENN LEGACY FC 01 BLACK (PAE)0.667 HMMS EAGLE FC 01 SPIRIT (PAE)0.389 PENN FUSION SA '01G ECNL (PAE)0.333 1776 UNITED XTREMES (PAE)0.250 UKRAINIAN BLASTERS BLACK (PAE)or NYE1.000 EAST MEADOW HOTSHOTZ (NYE)0.250 NEW YORK SC G01 (NYE)or VA0.769 FC VIRGINIA PRE-ECNL 01 (VA)0.400 BRYC 01 ELITE (VA)0.000 PWSI COURAGE 01G RED (VA)or MD0.500 LTSC STRIKERS (MD)0.429 HARFORD FC UNITED THUNDER (MD)0.417 MARYLAND UNITED FC 01 ECNL (MD)0.333 CES CALVERT CREW WHITE (MD)0.167 PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD)or MA- hands down the best.0.750 BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU13 ECNL (MA)0.667 FC STARS OF MASSACHUSETTS NORTH UNITED (MA)0.667 SOUTH SHORE SELECT ELITE (MA)0.667 NEFC ELITE U13 GIRLS (MA)0.333 FC STARS OF MASS ECNL (MA)
Incorrect formula above0 wins, 3 ties and 0 looses is not .500It is .333That is 3 points from 9, using the proper vernacular.Or 1.00 points per game, using the formula that pre ECNL NPL currently uses.
"Hmmmmm, could this be a disgruntled PDA storm cronie."I'm sorry this is to funny to let go. I post stats of major tournaments on the east coast - Include every team that played in these tournaments calculated their winning% at these events only with NO MENTION of PDA STORM or ECNL- putting just the tournaments and all those great teams in the spotlight to compare them. AND I'M DISGRUNTLED?? I didn't give any opinions.Just gave everyone the major Tournaments and their F1 results I can't make those up, but yet I'm DISGRUNTLED? No I'm not - a tool yes- disgruntled no.
9:28, how does my daughters team get into this stupid conversation? We don’t bother anybody, we don’t complain about being portrayed as subpar, all we want is for our children to enjoy their young lives, and be part of a club and team that trains hard, plays fair, and strives to improve themselves both as players, and young people.
No the formula is correct(wins + ties*.5)/GP is how every major sport calculates winning% MLB, MLS, NFL, NBA & NHL.So if a team never won a game and never lost a games in 3 games played how are they anything but .500?
9:44 did your kid's team play in F1? that's how - no one called them sub par but you. They are what they are when looking at F1 results of majors.
But, but, but we had injuries, and a new coach, and my daughter did not play, and the other teams cheated, and the turf was too rough, and the ref was against us, (they are always against us) and, and, and...
Why didn't you mention1 -Tri-state = .3332 -BRYC -.444they are also top flight at jeff cup and all below .500 same as wildcats, penn fusion and calvert using your formula.so should we just give the jeff cup medals to FCV and not bother ton play the games as there would be no one left to play in top flight if you were the flight coordinator(Yikes).
These stats really expose some teams - I think that is where most of the pushback is coming from. We know these teams make most of the posts - especially before the big ones happen. But it's really all about the experience. Sure it is.
Here's a thought. Put away your little calculator and lets just let the weekend happen.players move teams, teams fold and join others. You can post stats all day, put its skewed no matter how you try to explain it.All of it was yesterday's news. Lets look ahead to the spring season.Good luck to your daughters where ever they play.
Good post 10:26, and to you too!
Compare your win% against gotsoccer's win%'s. Why are you not holding the teams responsible for all of their games? Chelsea still has to beat QPR. PDA loses and ties in fall EDP Cup so you don't use that as an F1 event but you use Discovery? I'd argue 2nd even 3rd divisions in some of your tournaments are stronger then 1st in others you have listed.
Indeed 10:26If you look back on this board 9 months ago STA was being BURIED. Just one example.
9:48This is soccer. We have tablesAnd no win percentages (this is a gotsoccer-dreamed production)
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