Friday, January 29, 2016

U14G / U14 Girls Youth Soccer

U14G  / U14 Girls youth soccer seems to offer the most teams and the widest diversity of talent.

Where these players will end up is anyone guess.

Welcome to the ride.

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Anonymous said...

8:08 10 Years. LOL
FC COPA isn't even Academy per what they advertise on there website. No boys Academy or girls ECNL so how can they relate to all the changes happening with BYC and Girls DA. How many graduating girls from 2016 class did FC Copa go to D1 schools zero!

Topdrawersoccer NJ 2016 Commitments by club top 5:
PDA: 20
NJ Stallions: 15
Matchfit: 13
WorldClass: 6
NJ Rush: 3

PDA South is the only true path for many of the SJ players as they get pulled up to play with PDA's Academy and ECNL teams.

Anonymous said...

Rowan is one of the top D3 soccer programs nationally. It's a good fit for FC Copa and a good feeder opportunity for Rowan. Very few can play at the level of top D3 schools. Many who don't survive at D1 end up at places like Rowan. I assume those knocking this arrangement are in competition with FC Copa for business; otherwise there is no possible reason to knock a clear win/win for both.

Anonymous said...

I see some of you are starting to wake up and see the real issue here.
It's not just the new DA, as I have said for weeks this is a power play bu Federation and USYSA to take back youth soccer from ECNL AND US Club. And yes you are right this is also going to bring back NCS Cup at State, Regional and National Competition as place to be for anyone not in DA and expanded National League as well.
What's left of ECNL leadership is of course still in denial and desperately hanging on to possibility that ECNL can be left standing as 2nd tier(it's their cash cow after all) but they are missing the bigger picture here. All the reasons parents were given to put up with 20-25 player rosters, not dressing for events/tournaments/games, having your child crying in the car all the way home after not being picked to dress for an event with their teammates, using you child as excuse when they lose"we played our bench players", driving 1 1/2 to 3 hours back and forth to practice, playing on B and C Teams while waiting for a chance to play on ECNL Teams that most likely is empty promise and will never happen,etc., all to separate you from your $$$. These are all in fact reasons why ECNL caused these dramatic changes. They overreached based on their greed and avarice and eventually they went to far. The 2nd tier will no longer be exclusionary and will be competition based and open to all teams as it is in USYSA NCS Cups, at State, Regionals and Nationals, and the Regional Champions Leagues and the new expanded National Leagues under USYSA auspices. Every team and every player will have the same chance to make it to those events based on the accomplishments of their team in competitions that are OPEN TO ALL. They should have known better, monopolies never fly in the USA!

Anonymous said...

1:02 Great HS experience becauseof playing soccer? How about all the kids that don't play sports - HS must suck for them right? So close minded, it's funny. All the things they mess up? more like fix. But you have your opinion.

12:25 So what they say no to ECNL but the national league is okay? Come on man there will always be room - the real loser here is NPL.

7:17 I would pay for ECNL if they would have my daughter if shedoesn'tmake DA. Why wouldn't you? So it's better to play in RCL or NCS to qualify for National League?
You have to stop with this Youth Soccer talk.

US Soccer - the federation the boss
US YSA - State Cups, Region1 & national league
US Club Soccer - ECNL, NPL

3 different organizations.

7:23 if your kid is a top talent always worth playing with the best. Same people that wereagainst ECNL will be against DA, once they figure out it will be even harder to play for a DA team than an ECNL team.

9:47 FC Copa runs the Sky Blue reserve team so they are an Academy in more ways than any other NJ Club including the ones that have academy in their name - so they will get a look regardless of what they have done in the past.

PDA - Boys Academy and ECNL

NJ Stallions and NJCSA will also merge girls program just like they did on the boys side plus they are NPL

FC Copa - Sky Blue Reserve team

for PA PA Classics & CFC Delco are in the 3rd could be PennFusion, FC Bucks or LVU

NY - Albertson and NYSC or WorldClass

Anonymous said...

12:17, isn't the DA going to be very similar to what ECNL is? Bloated rosters and kids either not rostering or not playing a minute. How is that different than ECNL? A wolf in sheep clothing.

Anonymous said...

As far as NYSC or World Class for a DA, that one is easy, NYSC. Have been at both, the training in Westchester is far superior, just come and observe, and judge for yourself.

Anonymous said...

I forgot to mention the long drives to 4 practices a day, not being able to play for your High School and never seeing your friends. Yeah that's better.

Anonymous said...

I don't think you realize the depth of what is happening here. Us Youth(with the help and blessing of the Federation) just did a complete end around on US Club. US Club is now a dead man walking. By not allowing their top teams to participate in state cups and regional/national leagues and encouraging their players to forgo ODP it weakened them and US Youth had enough. US Club operated with a closed door system and had their own ID programs making a mess of the entire youth structure/path/pyramid. The whole opeeation beneath DA will now be run fluidly by us youth. Local leagues>region(champions) league>national league. State Cup>regional Championship>national championship. State odp>regional odp team> national teams. One of the criteria for the new DA clubs was a complete willingness to buy into the new system. I guess some will squeale like stuck pigs for another year but it's over.

Anonymous said...

DA said no HS and ODP so how is US Youth involved in the end around to shutting out U.S. Club isn't ODP ran by U.S. Youth? Or is there a plan to re-vamp the ODP programs to incorporate it with DA academies.

Anonymous said...

That was speculation and not reality. Seems like US Club and US Youth Soccer are in same boat. ODP now gets further relegated.

Anonymous said...

The biggest question IMO is if you can be a DA and in the ECNL at the same time. There are enough ECNL/Boys DA clubs,so this will have an impact.

Anonymous said...

ODP will become the path for girls not geographically able to play on a DA or who simply don't want to give up school ball to get seen. The US Youth league will be the avenue for top non DA teams to do the same. There will be no reason for ECNL to exist and the current NPL teams WILL be forced into the state cup/us youth leagues if they want to compete against top completion. Keep squealing!

Anonymous said...

PAC and CFC DELCO are geographically too close to each other to each be DA. PAC and PF geographic separation is better, but not by much. If the goal is to attract the top talent, the DA must be accessible to the largest talent pool as feasible. Based on this criteria, the eastern PA DAs would be PAC and LVU. PAC picks up South Central PA, some northern MD, southern and southwestern Philly burbs, and perhaps northern DE. LVU picks up North Central PA, Northeast PA, northwestern and northern Philly burbs. Del River border areas could cross over to NJ as they do now.

Anonymous said...

134 Sorry but how can you start measuring geographical locations why not just look up and match up the boys DA. PAC and CFC DELCO both have boys DA along with Union. So your blog post about location being too close is thrown out the door. It's geographical location base on population of players not distance.

Oh for all you FC COPA haters they are one of the SkyBlue premier Club Partners so if Girls DA is going to tie themselves to NWSL like they state you should look into possible club affiliations with NWSL teams. Just like Red Bulls and Union have affiliations with many clubs in the area.

http://www.skybluefc.com/club-partners/

Anonymous said...

12:17

The DA is a closed league.

Seems to me the only true merit here, is that it will keep costs down to a point and allow the talented and truly committed to the sport who want to take a shot at the dream to have a place to train with like minded individuals who don't mind missing high school soccer or training 4 times a week.

It seems that the DA wants to separate the truly committed from the talented but more balanced players.

I think the ECNL will stand as a better NPL. Nothing more , nothing less.

Girls will get to college from both paths but the exposure from the DA will be brighter especially from the top soccer schools in the country.

ECNL clubs will make their money from the next customer that takes the place of kid/parent that leaves.

The ECNL will still be a good place with good competition across the country. Rosters will certainly go down except for those clubs that have cache. Even those clubs with cache will find it hard to convince parents that sitting on the bench is best for their daughter.

I am glad that it is here.


Soccer Nit




Anonymous said...

1:34 that's just terrible logic!

PAC mops up the Western PA-East region which includes PL, LDC, Harrisburg clubs, Penn United, etc. No longer will PL players come over to PF when there is an existing option at home. Now, if PAC favors their own players, then all bets are off.

LVU only has boys academy at U14, but that could cover northern PA-East, which includes Scranton, poconos, etc..

PF does not have the field resources or the coaching requirements to make a push at a DA, unless they start overpaying quality coaches. They lost at least two coaches to CFC last year, one being a very capable youth coach for Zone 1 youth players.

CFC can train at Downingtown or Conshohocken, which provides options for a very wide area, including Jersey.

FC Bucks may pick up the northeast region, including YMS, Ukies, some Philly players, and some Jersey players, but I'm not sure about the quality of their coaching depth. They seem to be struggling right now.

Bottom line, DA and ECNL should go hand in hand. But, if they won't work together, clubs that have both will have the perception of having an advantage. And that's what people want to argue about. It should be about development and constructing the best system to develop players, not just win games with one formation or one set of tactics. We are losing out on playing dynamic football.

Anonymous said...

When you take money out of the equation, the parents have no say as to minutes played, position played, etc. If they're not happy, then they leave.

Once you start paying $2000+ to play at a high level, coaches can and will be influenced by the parents of better players, which impacts the development of lesser players, who may wind up being better than those players. Paid coaches are paid to win, even at the ECNL level.

Agree with 1:54 that players need to learn different formations, tactics, etc., all without being held accountable to a 'score' or a result of a single game. Europe typically does not play competitive youth futbol. As such, we focus more on standing rather than free play. If the DA offers opportunities to play without fear of making mistakes, then the talent should rise. There are clubs out there that put so much pressure on young players to 'get in the game' that they simply burn out. It will be interesting to compare/contrast burn out rates of ECNL and the DA down the road.

Anonymous said...

1:04 Yes DA and ECNL have same purpose. not even talking about which is better model. the point is they both have the same purpose and once you have DA there will be no reason for ECNL to exist. It existed BECAUSE it was top of pyramid so many players and their families who wanted to reach for that top level felt compelled to deal with whatever it took and swallow hard. No longer will ECNL have that leverage. Add in the business end of things and you will see it will be an either DA or ECNL proposition for current ECNL Clubs.

Anonymous said...

MODERATOR - PLEASE start a Develpment Academy blog

Thanks

Anonymous said...

2:01 Although I like a lot of your post, I have to disagree with the statement that the DA will take the fear out of making mistakes. My son played DA ball and the pressure on the players to not make mistakes is extremely high. Going from starter to bench can happen quickly and don't forget that the players are playing against other top players (so mistakes are costly). Have yet to see a DA coach that wasn't trying to win the game and not upset when they didn't do so. His team won a game 1-0 in Boston and his coach spent 45 minutes telling them it was the worst defense he's ever seen (referring to my son's team), and resulting in two defensive changes for the next game. There have been several bloggers on here that have had sons play DA and their experiences are probably similar.
The DA program will garner some incredible players that will blow us away with their speed of play and one touch ability, but the pressure to stay on top will be intense (even more so for the parents).
PL Parent

Anonymous said...

I look at it this way it's gonna take 4-5 years before the Girls DA get's truly established look how long it took for the boys to get fully established. So by this time next year only a few clubs will be selected and 2-4 more each year after.

I'm just saying it's going to benefit girls U12 and under, most of the girls on here 01/02 will be past it already as they will be U17/18 under DA 2 year age groups. That's pretty much the last group league for DA if you look at the boys by that time most of our girls will be either Jr's a few Sophomores and already declaring what college they want to attend.

Like I said the DA talk is not our girls generation so ride out the ECNL for now.

Anonymous said...

There already is an Academy blog. It is at the top of the menu, titled "Academy Soccer".

Anonymous said...

3:12- What do you mean a few teams will be announced by this time next yr.

I believe all the teams will be announced so they can get ready for try outs.

The U.S. Soccer Federation made it official on Tuesday:

It will launch the Girls Development Academy (GDA) in fall of 2017 -- a nationwide league with 60 to 80 clubs fielding teams at the U-14/15, U-16/17 and U-18/19 age groups.

Anonymous said...

3:12 just refuses to see the handwriting on the wall. ECNL is over . There is no longer any reason for it to exist. Below DA will be a new model that will be all inclusive and based on each teams merit, just as was the case all along before ECNL came along the last few years.

Anonymous said...

3:12 is talking to himself, trying to justify all the money he has spent. Good job dude, you almost had me at “I look at it this way”

Anonymous said...

Boys DA was rolled out slowly because there was nothing to start with and barely a blueprint. USSF just executed a hostle takeover of the ECNL and will simply restructure it into the proven framework of the boys DA. Expect to see 60-80 teams right away. And BTW, if the federation wanted to work "hand in hand" with the ECNL they would have brought them in and discussed a smooth transition. Didn't happen, just the opposite. But US Youth looks like they were prepared to exert dominance over the B level, expanding leagues etc within hours of the formal announcement. Again, this was a coordinated effort to re-establish control of us girls soccer.

Anonymous said...

312 makes valid points. How far along will Girls DA be by this time next year or the following year when most of our girls will be in HS. My daughter is glad she'll be able to play HS 1-2 more years before all the dust settles.

But I do agree ECNL is over and 2nd tier now! I am really curious how NWSL will be involved I wonder if those clubs affiliated with each of 9 NWSL teams be first to build the DA squads.

Anonymous said...

The boys DA is pretty disorganized in that certain clubs don/t have full academy status across all age groups. This disrupts player development because players move clubs to stay in the DA at different ages. For example, there are more clubs who have u13/14 DA than the older groups. Hopefully, the girls DA will be organized so players can stay in one club up until age 18.

Anonymous said...

With all due respect, I don't think those of you who see the ECNL continuing to exist have really thought this out. It's not just the top players that are going to make a mass exodus but the top coaches as well. The new 60-80 girls DA teams will need all the A&B level coaches they can find. You'd be left with former ECNL subs & NPL players coached by C & D level coaches. Nothing "Elite" about that at all. You won't be able to pay top level college coaches to show up, they'll all be too busy watching the new DA teams. And who's going to pay that kind of money to play on a team like that? And without those top players their ID program will become just as watered down as US Yourhs did when the top players left for ECNL. And what do non ECNL US clubs do. Does a club like NEFC(assuming they don't get a DA) stay tied to what's left of the US Club structure or do they throw their hat in with US Youth, play regional/national leagues? I don't think you can overstate just how bad of month US Club is having.

Anonymous said...

Everyone forgets that U.S. Club is back by big time companies like NIKE and Gatorade so let's see which direction is more affordable in the long run, as Girls DA wont necessarily be free in the beginning years. I can actually see a higher cost with Girls DA with less teams involved similar to the early years of ECNL.

Either I'm sure both will be $$$ to play for has anyone heard of a rags to riches story in boys soccer that basketball, football, etc. have provided. I hope it does change because there are many girls out there that always have been overlooked.

Anonymous said...

1:27 you are asking at the club level? or the player? If the player the answer is NO must be just DA,no HS, no other sports, no other teams, no ODP. Why would they tell clubs they can't do other leagues, it's not like clubs have just one team. USSF just wan't to run the academy leagues top of the pyramid - nothing wrong with that since they make the rules.

1:33 you are not seeing the big picture. What about Super Y? and the other leagues.

D1 = DA

D2 = US Club ECNL
D2 = USYSA NAtional League

D3 = US Club NPL
D3 = RCL and other Regional leagues

D4 = EDP, NYPL, NEP and other like leagues

D5 = PAGS and other state leagues

D6 = Rec Socccer

A clear pyramid.

1:44 I agree - but don't forget we are talking14 year old players no where near their full potential yet and DA's can only take 10 per age group 10 2002s and 10 2001s. That leaves plenty of very good soccer players playing in ECNL.

1:54 I agree 100%

2:01 why do you think DA will be free - Teams in ECNL finals don't have to pay for Travel that's about the best you can do. Build up NWSL and the girls might have a shot - but most of you don't even know how many teams are in the league.

3:38 Boston Breakers, Thorns FC, FC Copa aka Sky Blue and Orland Pride to namea few

4:36 NEFC are now the Boston breakers they are a DA 100%

Anonymous said...

508 Nice follow ups and I think ODP will get re-vamped similar to how NWSL team 'Thorns FC' has done and incorporated it with identification process for their programs.

http://www.timbers.com/youth/olympic-development-program

It's funny how US Youth had expanded there National League once the DA news came out as though they knew and conceded they would be 2nd tier and are working along side the federation.

Anonymous said...

"Super Why?", that's hilarious, maybe I'll respond when I get done laughing.

Anonymous said...

Most of the current ECNL clubs will still be the top dog club to go to other than the DA. Why would that change? They have the best coaches, trainers, fields, organization, etc. I think this makes the current non ECNL clubs almost obsolete. Who would want to play there?

Anonymous said...

Shouldn't the the "Super Y" be renamed the "I wonder why"? As in why anyone would even think its anything more than a fun event? Its become as relevant as futsal.

Anonymous said...

So everyone who can't make a DA will flock to a former ECNL club to play for a C level couch on the 81st best team in the country with NE NPL level players?

Anonymous said...

You'd be better off going to a super Y team

Anonymous said...

1:54 CFC practicing at both Conshohocken an Downingtown is the exact reason they will not get any players from Penn United, Pl, PAC or surrounding areas. Parents would be willing to travel to USTC fields in Downingtown, but not to Conshohocken. For some it would make for a two hour drive one way.

Anonymous said...

yawwwnnnnnn...........

Anonymous said...

Yea, the Proving Grounds are in the worst location, I can see why they have trouble recruiting.

Anonymous said...

5:08

Only a delusional NE NPL parent would list leagues in that order. NE NPL is no stronger than PAGS now, take the top 10 players off to replace the ECNL girls that went to DA, and the NE NPL will be on the same level as most rec leagues!

Anonymous said...

Take 2-3 players off a non ECNL team and they would lose to town travel teams.

Anonymous said...

What about the npl teams! I can name three right now that charge more than ecnl in northern nj and I know this for a fact. How will we do? Will they take over and ecnl die? Clubs like crush, stallions, tsf all cost more than most ecnl clubs. How will we do in this transition?

Anonymous said...

Take 2-3 girls off my daughters "travel town team" blindfold them and replace their goalie with an orange cone and they'd still beat your kids NE NPL team!

Anonymous said...

Teams that claim to be F1 teams are 2 player losses away to obscurity.

Anonymous said...

8:57, I disagree, I think it would be a draw, but they would win in PK's, because someone took the orange cone home.

Anonymous said...

8:26 you need to get out more

Anonymous said...

5:08 you are clueless. No one is going to play on larger ECNL rosters anymore. No one is going to pay top dollar and wait on their B and C teams for a chance to make the ECNL team some day (a pipe dream anyway for most of those B and C team players at ECNL Clubs).That cash cow is gone, over, never to come back. Be happy with the money you made when it was a go.
As was stated many times youth soccer is fluid and it's history has taught us that what is the "best" today can change every few years and usually does. Clearly, clearly to all who have any snese to see the big picture this is about much more than just the Federation starting a DA to take over top of the pyramid from ECNL. This a an across the board show across the bow with much more sweeping changes to come. The pyramid will not be what 5:08 outlined above unless you remove ECNL, NPL and the US Club events from his list. It will be DA, then for the college prospects below that it will be get on the best club tam you can and pay the showcase tournaments and try and make it to USYSA Regionals and Nationals with your club team. Also for those who don't play DA there will be alternate ID routes for US youth National Teams like ODP or other similar ID programs under the USYSA or US Soccer Federation umbrellas. The power in youth soccer has shifted again. The top dog CEO at ECNL resigning a week before these recent meetings and announcements shows she saw the handwriting on the wall and moved just before the house of cards caved in. Those on this site who are insisting otherwise are either ignorant or in denial. As someone said above i agree most of the top level coaches will move on to coach and train the DA Teams. Certainly the coaches at the major college level who work with local club teams will want to work with the DA teams not the 2nd tier. they want to get next to the players they hope to recruit.

Anonymous said...

If you are npl, your team is breaking up and everything is changing next year, do regionals really matter? I hope our team decides not to go if we make it, just not feeling it. Some parents really believe this is the end all be all.

Anonymous said...

ECNL is over if the customer says its over.

Anonymous said...

The college coaches will go watch and recruit where the best players are. Today it ECNL and tomorrow it is DA. Not much difference.

Anonymous said...

8:26 Didn't that happen to PL last year? Lost three players to PF? Teams lose top players every year and gain lesser teams top players.

Anonymous said...

Conshohocken fields are home grounds for CFC correct?

Anonymous said...

Yes. Awful location. Shady looking area and major traffic getting to it.

Anonymous said...

We know DA means no HS and no ODP, do we know if it'll cost an arm and leg like ECNL yet?

Anonymous said...

Brofessors (I use this endearing term with the upmost gender neutrality): What's your opinion on the benefits of DA for a GK? If only 3 subs are permitted per game with no reentry, I can't imagine that more than one GK would be used per game. I also can't see that a DA team would carry more than two GKs, although most colleges carry three. Except for the very few GKs who earn starting DA roles across the country, I don't see much opportunity. The number twos and perhaps threes likely do a whole lot of deep couch sitting, and I don't buy the argument that they will still benefit from the training. You need to play the position to learn the position, particularly being able to recognize how the attack develops.

Anonymous said...

12:06 How dare you use common sense on this blog. Administrator, please remove that post immediately.

Anonymous said...

12:26, I agree but it's no difference than a position player sitting. With 36 girls, 18 rostering and only 14 playing there are a lot of players sitting.

Anonymous said...

Where is everyone getting the high roster numbers from? If you look at the boys side the roster sizes range from 21 to 27. Most teams in our area carry 2 GKS and they seem to get equal time.

I thought there was a 50% start rule in the DA?

Anonymous said...

11:14 forgot to mention that CFC also has use of the USTC fields in Downingtown. You know, where PF had to lease two future turf fields, because they only have one of their own.

Shady looking = right next to a driving range in an industrial area, so I guess 11:14 is worried about those golf hustlers that like to roam about.

As for traffic, 11:14 must not like talking to parents because any sociable person would learn which exit to take off 476 and what back roads to take from 76.

Stay at PF. Please.

Anonymous said...

Why would a PF player go to CFC unless they didn't make PF?

Anonymous said...

Doesn't matter if your sitting and paying thousands, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE TRAINING. LOL. Hey Coach I trained everyday with Mia Hamm, but I never touched the field.

Anonymous said...

7:40 you can put as many beautiful dresses on that pig as you want, in the end its still a pig. "Exit of 476 and back secret back roads"? Yeah, that always entices parents to parents to bring their kids to a program that is one small step ahead of FC Bucks. And of course driving through 476 and 76 between 5pm and 7pm is always a breeze with very little traffic.

Anonymous said...

7:40 476S is not a problem at those hours. If you're coming turnpike, you don't have to use 76, you can go right to 476. 76W is not an issue for folks from Jersey. But, keep on spinning like you have some shot at a DA. Not going to happen.

Speaking of pigs, tell us Delacy in summer.....

Anonymous said...

LOL - Delacy is anything but convenient!

Proving Grounds is a very central location to many more potential soccer players than USTC or the West Chester fields.

As CFC builds more teams at the younger ages out of PG, the program will significantly grow.

The fields are huge and the turf is great. They are also building more fields there.

A 20-mile radius from PG has a population of 3.6 million.
a 20-miles radius of USTC is 931,000.
30-mile radius PG = 5 million people
30-mile radius USTC = 3.1 million.

I agree that PG is not a reasonable commute for any Lancaster or Harrisburg area players. But PG works well for Philly area, Mainline, anywhere in Montgomery County, parts of Bucks, parts of Chester, and much of NJ. There are many great feeder soccer programs inside that area.

Anonymous said...

"Why would a PF player go to CFC unless they didn't make PF?"

CFC coaches have many more college connections.

Anonymous said...

"Why would a PF player go to CFC unless they didn't make PF?"

Better dental plan.

Anonymous said...

"Why would a PF player go to CFC unless they didn't make PF?"

Who cares, its PA Soccer talk.

Anonymous said...

Playing time will be better for all who make DA than it was for all but top 8-9 of roster at ECNL. The DA has 50% start so all get regular chance to play REAL TIME, not "bench players time"and players are training 4x per week and scrimmaging inter-squad often.
College coaches will attend and watch training and scrimmages as well as games to see those top kids. No nepotism at DA and not about who donates money or works as volunteer for club in key areas. There is no brand to further or $$$ to make for brand so decisions should not be money driven but what is best for players and development.This could be a fresh start to get it right.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't CFC Boys DA all practice at the Conshohocken fields, seems to me they don't have a problem enticing players. Same will happen on the girls side as it's centrally located for many.

PA Classics will the 1st DA for girls in PA to help players not leave for ECNL then CFC or Lehigh Valley will follow. Just my thoughts!

Enough with the PA talk seems like there is a lot of PF parents on here, any word on NY DA clubs.

Anonymous said...

PF parents are know to be some of the biggest groups of obnoxious a-holes west of the Deleware and lets just say many of the apples don't fall far from the trees. Never met a CFC parent who I felt that way about. CFC's coaches/trainers are top notch but the club desperately needs to recruit better players not settle for PFs castoffs. I would think moving their primary training to USTC would help. Hard to convince central PA parents to drive past PF facilities to play for a teAm that's lower in the standings. Proving Grounds is very nice facility though. And as for 7:51, it might come down to playing time. A girl might prefer to play 100% for a low level ECNL team as opposed to 50% for a mid level ECNL team. Both will provide plenty of exposure to colleges. Make no mistake we aren't talking CFC vs PDA here, PF fields mostly mid level teams. And beginning next year it's all about college exposure which both provide, so putting her on a team where she will get the best playing experience is more important than winning a few more games. Neither clubs teams at 01's or 02's are likely to win any national championships. Really it's just for a year anyway. As much as everything is changing next year with birth year, everything will change just as much again the following year when DA starts.

Anonymous said...

They wont move there primary training to USTC as PF has secured a lease to use the 2new turf fields there for there training. Stupid of two clubs to use the same location thus the reason why the Boys DA is set at the Proving Grounds facility which they are also expanding. It's actually a very nice park with a golf driving range, mini golf and hiking trails. So for the poster to say Shady maybe they are just jealous.

Either if DA comes it comes but does anyone think Philly Union will grab a piece of the puzzle first.

Anonymous said...

10:10 You just called a bunch of kids obnoxious a-holes. You are exactly what is wrong with youth sports.

Anonymous said...

10:10

Hopefully someday when your daughter isnt playing soccer anymore you realize how big a jerk you were. maybe Mom is a nice person and will rub off on your kid. She's lost if she takes after you.

Anonymous said...

Yes - I see Philly Union involved, just not sure if they will do it alone, or in a JV with CFC.

Union Academy is already adding staff and looking for more fields on the boys side by adding teams U12-U18. They would have to start from scratch with coaches for the girls, so a JV may be the best way for them to go.

Anonymous said...

9:40 look at the college commitments of both clubs... I don't think cfc is at an advantage there at all.

10:10 this pf parent agrees with you!

Anonymous said...

Thank you 10:34, the a-holes part was specific to the parents, I would never say that about kids even though my own kid might. (And it's certainly not all but it's definitely a higher percentage than most clubs). "Obnoxious" however cuts across both parent and player groups as it sounds like you realize. I am guessing you don't fall into that group and have hopefully raised your daughter better.

Anonymous said...

The big question for many is if your daughter does not make a DA team will she still want to continue on a ECNL steam and travel as much knowing she or the parents aren't playing at the highest level.

Example: PA has 3 ECNL clubs along with strong clubs like PA Classics, Penn Legacy, 1776, YMS etc. Say the Top 4 of each of those ECNL teams leave for DA will those middle of the pack to bottom players/parents continue paying the high price and travel of ECNL or would they fall back to one of the local stronger club teams.

Oh not all PF parents are obnoxious there are many likable players and parents.

Anonymous said...

Proving Grounds also started development of a new building between the two turf fields to provide indoor services, food services, and supposedly a rooftop area to watch the practices and games.

Very similar to what we saw at a Virginia complex.

Not sure what 'shady' environment was being referred to, but there is a nice rock wall for protection from the sun. 8P

Anonymous said...

whats going on at MF, heard coach quit during session. heard many internal problems. Anyone know the problems?

Anonymous said...

Enough with the PA talk! PA is so diluted with talent all over the place. If the federation was smart they will only limit 1 club for DA so the area's best flock to 1 team.

There is a reason why PDA controlled the ECNL in NJ to limit it from growing with Match Fit the only competition for girls it made sure the player pool does not get diluted.

I cannot be more than happier the US federation finally announce girls DA it will help with pull together the best of the best and everyone can go back to reality and just enjoy playing as a team.

Anonymous said...

Yea that's why they did it. Had nothing to do with control, prestige, and money. Got it coach.

Anonymous said...

10:10, dude, CFC has the second worst parent in PA, behind the 1776 mom.

And all the other CFC parents need to stop coaching from the sidelines. I never hear that crap coming from the PF parents.

Anonymous said...

MatchFit DOC on way out the door. It's a matter of time now. Training is pitiful and best trainers/coaches have left or are in process of leaving. Mass exodus from both U13 Pre-ECNL and U14 ECNL Teams coming at tryout time.

Anonymous said...

So what is the difference between birth year 02 at PDA ECNL, PF ECNL,Bucks ECNL, CFC ECNL.. How would you pick which one for your child to join?

Anonymous said...

What's with the LVU talk being a DA -take a step back and what have they done? They have 1 boys DA team (younger Ages) -not a full time DA - How many State Championships do they have on the Girls side, how many Girl NT players do they have? What do you think Birth year Change will do to them? make them stronger? FC Bucks, PF & CFC Delco all have upper hand on them not even close.

Boys DA teams at(16/17 & 18/19) plus ECNL teams at those ages

Albertson, CFC Delco & PDA

PA Classics - Strong Boys program - should be a good choice for girls

NJCSA and NJ Stallions are one on the Boys side and the NJ Stallions older teams are strong - plus Tab Ramos connection they are in

FC Copa as Sky Blue reserve team will be in as well because of NWSL.

Assuming these clubs want in they are in no doubts.

others that can make a bid and would have a god shot.

Albertson
Long Island Rough Riders (will merge with EM)
World Class/Manhattan SC
New York Soccer Club

PDA
NJCSA
FC Copa
NJ Wildcats or Match Fit

CFC Delco
PA Classics
Penn Fusion
FC Bucks

I think these will be 12 clubs from the area that have the inside track

This would put the top 80 players in each region on a DA team if the want to sign up - Adding 40 to each NY and NJ and 20 to PA.

Anonymous said...

12:47

Geography

Anonymous said...

PF parents are too busy on the sidelines making nasty comments about each other and critizing their own players .

Anonymous said...

The problem with my post - is that you will have the top 80 players playing on 4 State DA teams with only 56 playing - the 24 not playing would be starters on other teams - look at ECNL PDA did well attracting 60 players to form 3 solid teams (Shore was a merger) not the best 60 but good soccer players.

PA was the wild west will that change? You had coaches telling parents ECNL was a money grab -now they will playing time to talk players into staying they didn't go to ECNL and they won't go to DA same can be said for NY. no one questions that ECNL was the top of the pyramid for girls all the pros say that so why did PA and NY not flock to those teams? ALl you have to dois read this board and you will have 100 excuses.

For the sake of soccer and the College/Pro game on the Womens side -I hope DA takes off - but I think everything will remain the same - you have a pyramid at least the top -if your kid is a true talent there should be no questions but now you read ECNL is good for College my kid wants to play HS because I told them they would be rock stars - blah blah blah if the player is a talent they should be at the top of the Pyramid simple!!

GS 4 Life

Anonymous said...

it's a shame. things didnt work out for you at pf, so your life mission is to start trouble. small man

Anonymous said...

CFC parent(s)

Honest answers. How many girls on your team could make PF but chose not to. Another way, how many girls do you need to add to be an average ECNL team? What positions? You seem to have a problem scoring, is it simply the lack of a true finisher or a bigger problem of offense in general. How good are your goalies? Defense? Midfield? Nows the time to talk up what you have and what you need. Have at it. Do you know who your coaches are going to be next year? How are they? Convince me it's the best place for my daughter.

Anonymous said...

12:55 I agree

Albertson has suffolk
LIRR have Nassau and Queens
WC/MSC have Manhattan and Brooklyn
NYSC has Rockland, Westchester and da bronx

PDA might be the best brand in the region
NJCSA Tab Ramos Connection and NJ Stallions wildcard
FC Copa as Sky Blue Academy
NJ Wildcats hada W-league team for along time

PA Classics - western EPA
PF same - Downingtown
CFC Deleco same
FC Bucks Same

but I do agree geography will play a huge roll

GS 4 life

Anonymous said...

With such self-centered questions 1:02, everyone would prefer that you just stayed home.

Anonymous said...

Obviously another obnoxious PF parent . No wonder everyone says they are a toxic bunch over there.

Anonymous said...

12:59

I assume this likely the same arrogant former WC/PF dad, now CFC dad, that's always on here trying to start trouble? He knows he has quite a job in trying to get players to CFC's 02 team so he goes the blog bashing route as usual.

Anonymous said...

Such BS

You are telling me the Match Fit ECNL U14s are flying out the door?

Where on earth would they go?

Anonymous said...

1:02 Enjoy your wins. We'll take development.

It's like the parent that crows about winning state cups at U9! Great accomlishment, but it means nothing when most U15 ECNL rosters have 50% turnover from their U13 club teams.

That's why PF will take the talent from PL, then claim them as their own. How many more are coming over next season? And which of your current players will lose out? At least one is probably leaving for 1776, maybe more!

Yes, PF has quality players that go on to play college, but how many burn out? At least two from the 02 team have stopped playing and it was not because of injury. Environment is everything and that's what the DA will provide.

Anonymous said...

Please by this time next year we won't even be talking about DA as many of us will talking about college recruitment as many of you know a lot of schools are already done or almost already have commitments for graduating class 2018 and are looking at 2019. Yes Freshman this year.

I think PF has already has 14 D1 commitments for graduating class of 2017.

Anonymous said...

1:26 why would they be on this blog and not the U13G blog? That doesn't really make any sense.....

Anonymous said...

Or 1:02 is parent interested in moving his kid to an ECNL team next fall, who would like for the CFC parents on here to make a case for their club over PF.

Anonymous said...

Good stat, 1:31. if its true.

Yeah, recruiting sure comes early nowadays.

But every family desnt need to approach it the same way. Some want to early commit - thats fine - get the video done as freshmen, etc....

Others will take a slower approach and be just fine. Their play will speak for them and they wont lose out for not having wanted to commit as freshmen or sophs.

Anonymous said...

Ah, the old reverse, reverse psychology ploy.

In fairness, the U13G blog doesn't have the volume that this board does. Pretty sure the CFC parent is not the one posting the Penn Fusion Birth Year ID camp info over there. Or maybe it is. Did seem to rile folks up.

Anonymous said...

12:46 Contact each club. Arrange to join a practice, but make sure you tell your current coach/club. They are all looking for talent, so it's generally no big deal to work them into a session. Do not use this board as a referral, thought that should be obvious.

Hopefully, you will get asked back, then you'll have to ask your daughter where she felt the most comfortable.

Anonymous said...

Because older 02's players currently play U14 and if this is who i bet it is his kid used to play on the current U14 PF team.

Anonymous said...

Based on the chatter, I was under the impression that at least half this board used to play at PF.

Anonymous said...

Rough Riders currently is not a club in the sense most use the word. They field tournament teams, not league teams except for the boys in the NYCFC league.

Anonymous said...

A lot of angry parents on this blog, I'm assuming the rivalry between PF and CFC has now come to all time highs.

Hey PDA, Matchfit is looking to have the same rivalry can I call you guys obnoxious also. It's getting a little boring in NJ.

Anonymous said...

Not really. Fairly sure it's between like 2-3 people.

Anonymous said...

Where has "PL Parent" been? Wanna know you take on all that is happening are you planning on moving?

Anonymous said...

The question isn't IF PL Parent is moving, the question is "is anyone at PL not moving"?

Anonymous said...

PL will most likely stay and wait out the DA process because if PA Classics get's DA there top tier players will move over to them.

Anonymous said...

2:16 For all we know, it could be just one person flexing their anonymous message board muscles.

Anonymous said...

Guess the ranting PF parents on this board better start looking for a new club for their little Carli.Sounds like she's gonna be losing her roster spot !

Anonymous said...

1:39 you do know that is illegal right?

Recruiting; No-Tampering. NPL Clubs may recruit players for participation on
NPL Teams from any geographic region at any time during the year (subject to
these Regulations). Notwithstanding the foregoing, NPL Clubs may not train or
tryout a player from a NPL Team of another NPL Club during the NPL Season
until May 1 of each NPL Season

there are 29 NPL clubs in 3 states - of course if you play in EDP and PAGS
you can train with who ever you want. Why is that PA doesn't play NPL? They didn't have the coaching requirements? or are they the USYSA/ODP posters claiming there is a change? They must know it all.

10 NY teams
15 NJ teams
4 PA teams

Anonymous said...

2:44 agree there are Rules for U.S. Club carding so I'm not sure how these clubs are by-passing the rules with these ID Events.

Anonymous said...

2:57 If I had to guess - I would say there would be no ECNL or NPL players at any of these events from other clubs - it's more about what they have internal and what outside interest there is from Non-NPL/ECNL players.

But we do live in a it's about me and I don't give a flying F about anyone else anyway world

Anonymous said...

2:39 Good one. PL is a sinking ship.

Anonymous said...

From what I'm hearing, I'd be surprised if any of PL's current u-14 players are still with that club next year.

Anonymous said...

ECNL and NPL girls from other clubs at all ID events.

Anonymous said...

GS-4-Life: How do you think GS will handle the transition of birth year teams and point allocation. Will they just reset completely?

Anonymous said...

New DA will not allow any college coaches to coach their teams.

Anonymous said...

3:39 - So will PDA say NO to DA for girls?

Anonymous said...

3:25 that is going to be a mess. I think they might just follow the national league qualification - they are using u14 results for 2001 since the 01sare the oldest in the group.

GS 4 life

Anonymous said...

Which club is losing a player to 1776? Why would they go there? My understanding is that they are not going to birth year and the current U14 team will stay together and play up as U16. They don't have enough teams/girls to go to birth year.

Anonymous said...

They may be looking to go to 1776 if they are cut from their current team. I believe PF was the team being discussed. Has to be hard on those bottom players right now with eager girls showing up at trainings each week.

Anonymous said...

Both Penn United and 1776 are not going to observe the birth year change and are keeping their teams together. Are their any NJ or NY teams doing something similar? Also, will those teams that decide to keep their teams intact be able to compete against a full lineup of 01's?

Anonymous said...

Mf is an absolute joke of an organization. Hopefully they get everything they deserve and fold. Take the money you made and close up shop. No worries DOC, they'll be other suckers you can milk. Just promise a scholarship and advertise bogus commitments

Anonymous said...

815 Does it matter if 1776 or Penn United can't compete it will be good for those 02's on the team to continue playing a high level with 01's plus it will all balance out in a few years anyway. Also if they are all going into Freshman year of HS it may be the choice of parents to worry about staying in the same graduating class v. birth year.

Anonymous said...

Ironic that folks talk about the travel of ECNL teams, then join the Region 1 Champions League as a PA-East team and travel to PA-West and Virginia for a single game on weekends. As more and more quality teams drop out at the higher ages, the travel demands are much greater for these teams to find quality opponents.

Anonymous said...

what CL team is complaining about travel? Yep you have to travel to find quality comp. besides its not the regional travel that makes ECNL so expensive it's the national. San Diego is nice and all but why? You'd get just as good of comp at Jeff, PDA or such at the fraction of the cost. And since the vast majority of these girls will play college ball within a 100 miles of home, it's counterproductive for expose reasons as well. If you have the extra 5-6K sitting around for a west coast vacation great, but by requiring it from families who don't you eliminate a decent portion of the top player pool. Will travel exp for the DA girls be covered? If so this will be a significant improvement.

Anonymous said...

ECNL Clubs go to San Diego, Oregon and other distant venues to attend each others events and to raise the profile of their Clubs brand to make more $$$. It has nothing to do with benefiting the players. That is one of the reasons the Federation is going to a DA for top of pyramid players.

Anonymous said...

The DA will be more exclusive than ECNL. You will never get the opportunity to play them. They will only play each other.

Anonymous said...

You sure about that 11:34?

DA
June 22-26 -PlayoffS = Frisco, TX
July 6 or 7 - Knockout Rounds = TBD
July 15 or16 Championships = Carson, CA

Anonymous said...

People act like the kids don't love the travel. Is it expensive, yes. The in-season tournaments, I agree, not needed. For the championships you have to, and the ECNL is picking up a lot of that cost.

Anonymous said...

I thought travel paid for Finals by ECNL clubs starting this year, No?

Anonymous said...

11:41, 11:45 and 11:47 - you are ruining everything with actual facts and logic.

Anonymous said...

Too little, too late ECNL. It's over. Enjoy the last year of your gravy train. Those who have the best interests of American soccer and the kids have taken over. Maybe if you guys weren't so focused on $$$ it would have worked out.

Anonymous said...

DA has years to catch up to what ECNL has done. Our girls will probably be done and HS by the time the girls DA has successfully climbed over ECNL especially on collegiate recruiting.

Anonymous said...

best interests of american soccer and kids?

Keep believing that. You probably like it when the govt tells you where to get healthcare.


went from one power structure to another.

Anonymous said...

8:15

I don't know any teams off hand that are "staying intact"

But do you really think the better '02s can't handle the '01s?

Anonymous said...

DA will take over many of the ECNL clubs top teams on day 1. Integrating new clubs like PAC, LVU etc into a league will be nothing as those clubs already do the same thing on the boys side. This isn't going to be nearly the challenge the ECNL diehards hope. At that point the entire focus of most top colleges with immediately shift to the girls DA games and events leaving nothing left for the ECNL. Don't fight it dude, just get on board. Of coarse if your kid is on the lower half of an ECNL team this is going to hurt.

Anonymous said...

12:25

You do realize the federation is not a government agency right?

Anonymous said...

Your repeated comments confuse me, 12:11. Is your animosity directed toward the ECNL clubs because of the faux exclusivity they've created? Because near as I can tell, it is the ECNL clubs who have the inside track to becoming DAs, with the same exclusivity.

Your posts strike me as odd because the clubs you are mocking are simply going to take down their "ECNL" sign and put up a "US Soccer DA" sign instead. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Or is your anger more directed at ECNL and USCLub at its highest levels? Not directed at the clubs themselves?

Genuinely curious.

Anonymous said...

PF and Continental have their second try-out date on the same day. Should be interesting.

Anonymous said...

Not try outs! Birth Year ID Events !

Anonymous said...

No they don't.

Anonymous said...

No, 12:56 is correct. Tryouts for both are posted. Second tryouts are on same date. However, players are chosen (for ECNL) by then for the most point anyway. Am I wrong?

Anonymous said...

At least for 2002.

Anonymous said...

I agree 12:52 100% - the ECNL clubs will get first crack at it if they want a DA team. They won't take down the ECNL sign they will just add the DA sign and then can market as a Club that can offer a level of play for any player

Their own Pyramid, will be even more attractive - you guys with this USYSA vision are killing me.

If the ECNL clubs really wanted to end game - they should also put teams in National League.

Will use PDA for this example - you can swap any team you like with them

02/01 - DA
02 & 01 ECNL teams (North)
02 & 01 National League teams (South) will need to play in RCL
02 & 01 NPL teams (Shore)

Anonymous said...

1:36 - With your pyramid, wouldn't only the girls from DA and maybe North get D1 scholarships?

Anonymous said...

Exactly, 1:36. That's why I don't understand all the "ha ha, bye-bye, ECNL" stuff. Aside from the Commissioner and a few secretaries in the home office in Glen Allen, VA losing their jobs, I don't think most folks associated with the ECNL will really be affected. The players and coaches will just move on to the DA.

I suppose if this brings USClub down then their administrative staff in Myrtle Beach will lose their jobs, too.

Really looking for some clarity from 12:11 on this.

Anonymous said...

12:52 and 1:36 What you are missing is it will not be just a trade up from ECNL to DA. There will be far less DA Teams than there are ECNL Teams. There will be far less players overall making DA and the talent pool will not be diluted as ECNL has many weak teams that are not-competitive in every age group.The DA will not have B and C Teams and all the players below DA will be competing to be the tier below the DA, regardless of Club or Team. It will be a merit based system as it was before ECNL came along. ECNL League will disappear and US Club if it survives will do so in a diminished capacity.

Anonymous said...

The coaches can't all just move over to DA Teams as no college coaches are allowed to train or coach the DA players as DA will follow NCAA rules strictly, no contact with college coaches,unlike ECNL. Also all DA coaches will be required to hold an A license which many current ECNL coaches do not possess.

Anonymous said...

So you are saying the DA will be even more elite than the ECNL? I'm cool with that.

But I do think the DA clubs will still have B and C teams that will play against the B and C teams at other DA clubs. Whether they also play against the A teams at non-DA clubs is unknown.

Why do you say that ECNL isn't merit based? Is it because they don't play against non-ECNL teams except at tournaments? I think you are confusing merit with exclusivity. Merit to me means that a club takes the best players at tryouts and forms a team. Which is what every ECNL club does.

Anonymous said...

I don't profess to be an expert on the boys DA, but at my club at least one DA coach is also a college coach.

Anonymous said...

USSF had gone out of its way to exclude the ECNL higher ups from their new DA plans, to which it appears USYS was privy. What in the world makes you think think they will give deference to those clubs solely based on their former status as an ECNL club? Have they produced quality players? Have a boys DA? In a desirable location? If so then yes. There's nothing elite about the ECNL bench warmers mixed with the NPL players coached by some C level coach. As a league the ECNL is finished. On a positive note, the NPL leagues just got a lot better. Look, the ecnls draw was college coach attendance which will shift to the DA, top coaches which will shift to the DA and top level completion at practice which with all the top girls going to DA will also be gone. No one will pay top dollar for that, the money will quickly dry up and the league will fold. Of coarse PDA will get a DA, they should be first, but to think that there will also be a ECNL is just foolish. And why do you care? They had their run, such is youth soccer.

Anonymous said...

I don't care what happens to the ECNL, or even to the clubs that are currently in the ECNL. I was just curious why you were so aggressive about pointing out the demise of the ECNL over and over again.

Anonymous said...

Jealousy

Anonymous said...

Basically because I am baffled by the fact that you don't see the inevitability of it.

Anonymous said...

I think you're right, 2:10. Jealousy would explain why someone would be excited about making the top of the pyramid more elite. "If my kid can't make it to the top, I want to make sure that there are lots more kids that also can't make it to the top".

When the top of the pyramid is huge, and your kid can't hack it, then that's something to be jealous about. When the top of the pyramid is tiny, and hardly anyone makes it that high, then there's nothing to be jealous of.

Anonymous said...

2:01 there may be enough $$$ to go around to keep current ECNL clubs going

Let's use PDA as an example. They get a DA. Resources are spent on that. What do they have for the next level player? For those that just missed the DA cutoff? There may be athletic/latent talent there, so what would be the next best thing to DA?

It may very well be the ECNL league. Sure, it will lose a little off the top, but if there is parent demand for ensuring that the next Mia is discovered, they will come. Get a coach with an accent and they'll be happy to take your $2500 and schedule some games with the Matchfits and PFs of the world. Do you really think these clubs will fold if they don't get a DA? ECNL is sustainable, even for clubs that do get the DA.

Anonymous said...

I think lots of folks are just using "ECNL" as shorthand for "a league below the DA which is still competitive and offers a springboard for college, but not USWNT". No one cares what happens to the ECNL and USClub. But most of the people on this board do hope there will be a league that offers good competition just below the DA level.

Anonymous said...

I'm trying to get a handle on all of the money-grab accusations of ECNL. At least in Pennsylvania our fees are really transparent. We pay about a $300/year club fee, then the rest is all costs the we endure: turf fees, coaching fees, tournament fees.

We've been involved with other non-ECNL teams as well and they all had very similar pricing.

These clubs actually make their money off of running recreational programs and tournaments.

Also - while the DA will be more exclusive, it will also be more expensive. Just paying for the turf time for 4-practices a week instead of 2 or 3 will drive up costs.

Anonymous said...

2:23 - yes completely agree. I dont care what name you call it, I just want a competitive soccer league for the level right below DA!

Anonymous said...

12:17

What club does your kid play for currently? That may help explain things.

Anonymous said...

2:10

It's comments like that that typify what went wrong with the ECNL and why USSF wants nothing to do with it. You think everyone is jealous of you. it became a league not of elite players but of elitists. Could you imaging if all the top clubs in S America cost 10k a year to participate in? Would we even have someone like Messi or would we just be watching the spoiled rich kids of the few who could afford it play? Talk to anyone from around the world, they think we are crazy. Call me an idealist but I am hoping that soccer for the truly gifted in this country becomes free or is at least available to all income levels. ECNL was going in the wrong direction. Until then our sport will keep losing all the countries best athletes to football, basketball etc which cost a fraction to participate in. And 2:17 it's not that my kid can't make it to the top, she's already there, it's that I want to see that same opportunity for others. But you keep thinking your kids something special, I'll see you at the DA tryouts next year.

Anonymous said...

USSF will give $$$ to those clubs that will go DA remember. All those NTC may just go away as they are also costly for Turf time, coach time, and for US federation staff coaches to continuously travel too. DA will be the top of the pyramid and will showcase the best players for the national team pools and Power five college conferences.

ECNL will eventually go away and NPL for U.S. Club will just expand to compete with U.S. Youth National League.

Anonymous said...

Sure are a lot of know it alls on here today lol

Anonymous said...

Yup it's all the scared parents out there just talking. lol
Does anyone know who in the area's (NJ,NY,PA) US Federation Staff coaches are? I wish they would provide a listing of who are the area's US Federation Staff coaches are.

Anonymous said...

I don't Understad 1:50 you are saying ig PAC gets accepted to DA theycan only have 1 team no B and C teams in other leagues?

You are also saying the best way to find talent is by having less options (teams)?

or are you saying indiviidual teams will become DA basedon merit? I don't follow.

Using 2002 players in 2017 they will be on a team with 2001
in 2018 they will be on a team with 2003
in 2019 they will be on a team again with 2001s
in 2020 they will be on a team again with 2003s

The team gets no merit the player does. The club just offers the opportunity to the players to play on a DA team in the DA league.

help me understand your point.

2:01 USSF didn't go out of it's way - they don't answer to USYSA or US Club you got that backwards pal, they don't need to ask for permission - out of respect they sat down and talked with ECNL in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

3:21 here again - you do understand that teams don't stay together right?

2017 U16/U17 = 2002/2001
2018 U16/U17 = 2003/2002
2019 U18/U19 = 2002/2001
2020 U18/U19 = 2003/2002

GS 4 Life

Anonymous said...

2:23 Not sure what club your kids playing for, but those are town club fees. Almost all the premier clubs are in the range of $1500.00 (PL) to $2400 (fc Revs). At four hundred dollars a year, you should be happy if kids not being coached by someone that borders and eats dinner in your homes as partial payment. Do you guys have like a special night that you get together to make uniforms and knit socks?

Anonymous said...

3:21

If those planning the girls DA weren't told to keep quiet, ECNL whould have caught wind of the plans and not been completely blindsided, which they obviously we're). Yet USYS seemed almost prepared to embrace their new role,hm. Anyway, how many articles have I read about the close working relationship USSF and ECNL have? Guess not. And they met "out of respect"? No. ECNL officials begged for a meeting and then groveled at the feet of the USSF who was having none of it. How incredibly easy would it have been to just sanction the ECNL league as the new DA? A high # of the clubs involved will be the same no doubt. Nope, the federation told them what they had done wrong and sent them packing. My guess is this wasn't the first time these issues had come up but it will be the last. Look the new DA is a good thing, the ECNL was the best thing that came along until now. If the ECNL tries to continue as a competing top league it will just make a bigger mess of the sport. Walk away.

Anonymous said...

If the ECNL sends most of its players to D1 colleges and the DA will send most of its players to D1 colleges then what am I missing. Will be pretty much the same.

And don't the Red Bulls and LA Galaxy teams on the boys side have 2-3 teams each below the academy? Sounds like ECNL clubs. What am I missing?

Anonymous said...

What you're missing is common sense. Why would the top D-1 coaches even continue to frequent the ecnl(Now a B league) they will have 60-80 new girls DA teams to scout. The B league teams will get about as much attention as the current NPL teams do, with the exception of PDA is very little. The new DA teams will be picked clean like the current ECNL teams are, before the B league is even considered. the entire reason for the ecnl's existence just ended. Why not just move the ECNL subs down to the NPL teams and strengthen those leagues? Why even bother trying to keep going? I'm starting to think some of you know your daughters aren't making a DA and just can't bare the thought of them demoted to the NPL. There goes all the snooty bragging you've been doing in the lunch room eh.

Anonymous said...

Yes the coaches will scout the DA like they used to scout the ECNL. If you stop using ECNL maybe you will get it. Let's use PDA as an example. Today they have ECNL and 3 NPL teams (B,C and D if you like). Now assume PDA gets a DA they will have a DA team and 3 teams below (B, C and D). Call those teams anything you like. It is the same girls and the same structure. Girls will go to those B,C,D teams with the hope they will make the DA team at some point. No different than it is now. They will have 20-22 girls on these 3, non-DA teams at $2500/ player. Same as it is now.

Anonymous said...

If 90% of ECNL teams go on to play college soccer, there are still plenty of girls going to D1 - D3 teams from the non-ECNL teams today. This will be the same in the DA era. I don't see the difference. Whether they play for a DA club on a B,C or D team or they play for a team like PL or Wildcats. Plenty of opportunity to play in college

Anonymous said...

If the pool at the DA level is the same as the current ECNL pool, then D1 coaches will simply shift their focus to the DA.

If the pool at the DA level is smaller than the current ECNL pool, the D1 coaches will have to also look at the level below the DA (whatever it may be called).

Some folks are being way too black and white about this and taking glee in some kids not getting the exposure they think they were going to get.

Anonymous said...

Exactly they fear their purse will no longer have clout!

Anonymous said...

Yes I agree there will always be somewhere for everyone's little Susie to play.

Now can someone match and Compare which ECNL clubs have DA Boys and how many, little curious on that number as it may lay out the starting point.

Anonymous said...

Your kidding to think that only girls playing on ECNL play D1. There are plenty coming from non ECNL teams today. Go on any club websites and you will see this. It will be the same when there is a DA.

Anonymous said...

Yes there will still be girls who will play from tiers below DA as is the case now.
but there is certainly no reason for ECNL when DA is replacing them and filling their role of the elite showcase league and now adding the element of putting those who make the DA regularly in front of the USWNT coaching staff.

Anonymous said...

Agree but Why do any of us care?

Anonymous said...

Whether it's DA or ECNL won't mean much difference to the girls that play for those teams. And of your girl doesn't it will be the same as it is now.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. ECNL at the top or DA at the top, who cares? If the day comes where the DA gets displaced, will the same poster dance on their grave too? I don't get it. 4:22 has an agenda but I just don't get it.

Anonymous said...

He is the kind of guy who says has a problem with whoever is on top. He will be bashing the DA soon enough.

Anonymous said...

I think the 2nd tier teams will be stronger for several years.Parents i have spoken to really don,t want there kid practicing any more days.Most of our better girls want to play school ball,and other sports,so it seems to me the DA will really be 2nd tier for several years and the DA really won,t inpact my kid that much.My daughter told me she wants to try out to prove she can make it or not and then will be happy to take a step back. I never played this sport,but can see the politics have ruined the game for many kids.this is why so many leave the sport.

Anonymous said...

It is the pompous arrogance of some, not all, in the ECNL that makes this snubbing by the federation somewhat sweet. The ECNL trumpeted about their ties to US soccer and implied all over in their marketing how close they were with US soccer. This DA leaves those marketing claims exposed for the exaggerations there are (were I guess). It leads to all the other claims being suspect.

But is not of great importance. As long as the enterprise is successful and the customers are happy, long live the ECNL, DA and any other league that succeeds.

Anonymous said...

It's pretty funny how many on here assume their daughter is getting the D1 full ride and will be in contention for national teams. Their are going to be a lot of disappointed parents.

Anonymous said...

"I'm not jealous. They're just arrogant."

Finally. Here is the agenda. Thanks, 6:30.

Anonymous said...

4:22 You are the smartest idiot that I've ever had the pleasure of reading on here. Your the same bozo that proclaims that non-ecnl players don't get scholarships and coaches only look at the ecnl players. Now your ringing your bell running through town yelling "the DA is coming"!!
Do the math on how many D1 schools are just in the east coast and and central states and then think about how many incoming freshman there are every year. Coaches will continue to scour the ecnl as it will continue to draw excellent talent. Talent that still wants to play at a high level and also be allowed to play school ball (yes that really happens).
I take back the part of what I called you in the beginning of this post, your simply an idiot.

Anonymous said...

I hear from many ECNL parents that they think the DA has gone too far. Thier girls want to play college soccer but not at the expense of a rigid DA program. It will be interesting to see if it works out.

Anonymous said...

It seems like just yesterday the ECNL snobs were acking like playing school ball was so beneath them. Nows it's there top selling point. Too funny.

Anonymous said...

"It seems like just yesterday the ECNL snobs were acking like playing school ball was so beneath them."

Cite please. Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

Anonymous said...

I think most ECNL folks have been vague about HS soccer up until now. Most U14s won't get their first chance to play in HS until this fall.

But middle school soccer was trashed by everyone. Both ECNL and non-ECNL.

Anonymous said...

Sorry guys, 4:22/7:31 here. My wife asked me what I was doing on the computer and I explained to her how I was gloating over the demise of the ECNL on an internet chat board. I reminded her how much it upsets me that we don't have an ECNL team close by us for our daughter to join, especially considering that we have other kids to get to activities as well.

She kind of gave me one of those looks like "I can't believe I married a guy who would act like this" and told me to act like a man and stop being such an a-hole. She kind of also hit me with a low blow by sarcastically saying how much my dad (who died a few months ago) would be sooo proud of the way his son was acting.

I love my wife and realize she is right. I just wanted to apologize.

Anonymous said...

Coaching announcements out for PF.

Anonymous said...

Ukrainians U14 coach jumping to PF U13

Anonymous said...

I thought she was staying to coach the 02's at Ukrainians

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