What session was that? I was told this is the first one of the year for this this region.
Last year EDP released the schedule I believe the 3rd week in August. This is when the fun begins trying to reschedule games because of tourneys. EDP will have a hard time ranking the teams this year. Many are equally talented, but with the major infusion of new players many clubs took on going from 8v8 to 11v11 it will will be a chore to rank competitively. I don't think going by the spring records will help. Going to be a great season regardless.
Birth year and small sided mandate for player development was approved at July 5th meeting. It's official and will start next fall. The 02 girls will struggle a bit during transition. Will be a tough year to make transition as the 02 girls playing u14 this year will mostly be going into high school next year as the 02 playing u13 this year will be going into 8th grade next year. Half the players will be gone in the fall - this will be an ugly timing to transition.
What July 5th meeting was this? I can't find any link online. Can you provide one?
So the move to birth year is recommended to start August 2016 but mandated to start August 2017.
The major clubs will move fast and get it over with.
The question is, when will the leagues, tournaments, state cups etc make the move over to birth year...
Oh well August 17th Mandate that's two years from now and half the girls will be leaving this sport by then. Many thought it would of been earlier like next spring.
How come that document was copyrighted 2014 and then approved on July 2015. Did it really take the U.S. BOD that long to review 16 pages. By the time it will actually get out to the public and mandated it will be 2020. lolIt's only a document from at club level until I see something published on U.S. Club or U.S. Youth websites then I believe the true date.
The ecnl clubs will all move together next year. It looks the 2002 year will have it the worst. You have to deal with competing for spots against the current u14 2002 girls and they won't be around in the fall.
It's going to be a cluster next year, I totally agree the small % of 2002's playing U14 this coming year will be righteously in good position as for those 2002's playing U13 they will have to start thinking where should they look now. It's going to cause mass confusion and animosity this will bring to this blog since this age group is on the cutting edge of the change. Oh well glad I have an '03.
I sure most of the top teams are overweighted with 2002 starters.
I wonder how the age change will affect college recruiting and when some 2002's graduate and others are looking to play that are still in HS, will that present an issue?
Won't affect much high school because by Sophmore or Jr. year the ones that will continue playing at the college level have already committed. There are abundance of girls verbally commited after freshman year already.
@9:19 EDP hosted a training event about two weeks ago. It is part of their EDP TIP/Pathway to College program. It was a regional invitational free training session for U11-U14 boys and girls. EDP called it a Development Day. I believe players were nominated by their club to participate.Sounds like what the poster who posted '30 minutes of technical(passing) and games' was writing about. Maybe US soccer had a session the same week and coincidentally used same training format?? Maybe the poster is confused about who hosted the training event her daughter attended?
@5:34- I'm not confused. This was in PA, not NJ. It was a us soccer training center, not EDP.My daughter plays for an ecnl club.
Did your daughter go as a 2003 or 02? How was the rest of the competition and was the training well done? I have a 2002 so I assume it's a little tougher as she will be up against girls playing a year up, but happy she got the invite.
Much harder to make us training center invite as a 2002, if you are at a very strong club. Most recommendations have to be approved by DOC and there is always a mix of candidates from multiple teams spread across the same age group. Current u13 team, our age group will be competing with players at u14 who were born in 2002. The coaches want to make sure they only send the best of best, it's their reputation on the line as well.
I wonder when these clubs will start making announcements about birth year changes? I assume we will see a lot of joint practices over the next year between age groups and lots of internal scrimmages so the coaches can get to know their new players. I heard PDA storm, current u14 team has 25 on roster. If this is true, they probably have at least 10 or so 2002 girls. the dragons which is PDA second team probably have many very solid 2002 players too. Will be tough for the current 2002 u13 girls to get starting positions, let alone make Ecnl teams. This will be the same at many clubs with strong multiple teams and big rosters. Can anyone say what the breakup of ages is on PDA Galaxy?
Does it matter the only ones that will struggle will be the girls born from Aug. To Dec. that have been playing down. Those parents will hava lot of insecurities this coming year as they face the reality there child will end up on the younger end of the table and most probably Will be playing up a with girls a school grade older as well.Going to be interesting for the 2003 and 2002s.
Why was my comment removed? I just shared information regarding the us training center session? Very odd.To answer your question - my daughter is 2003. The younger girls (2004 and 2002) had a tougher time against the older girls . They were split into 2003/2004 and 2001/2002. So, there were rising U11s with much bigger/more experienced rising U13s
Everyone is neglecting the fact that the people who run soccer centers know some kids are older than others and take that into account during session evaluations.
The good players should not have an issue with the transition.I know of a few parents that would have preferred to have this information prior to tryout season. The upcoming winter / spring could have more player movement than usual.
All the transitions depends on the teams and players clubs have above and below them.Pda has strong teams at current u12 and u14, should all stay strong. Hearing storm has 25 players at u14, wouldn't want to be going there, assuming even a 60/40 split. My gut tells me most strong teams are weighted with 2002.Clubs like MF and WC have very weak teams below, solid teams above.This is the case with most other clubs as well. It will all look very different next year.Should be a good time to move to PDA if you are a 2003.Is Galaxy a 50/50 split? Would be nice to know about making team next year, my daughter is a 2003 and would hope this helps her odds.My biggest issue is our younger team is very weak and most of our top players are 2002.
The Aug-Dec players who have been getting by on physical ability alone will struggle, but their time would have been up in a year or two anyway. The Aug-Dec players who were developed properly will do just fine.This will be telling in another way. Parents will quickly realize if their club was more interested in winning than developing their kid. Personally, I have Oct and June daughters (also a Dec and Nov). The Oct daughter is by far the best in her age group. The club started practicing her once a week last summer with the age group above (U13). She more than held her own but wasn't as dominate, probably 3rd or 4th best. She never guest played since during league play she is committed to her team and for tournaments it is preferred that the A teams pull from the B teams before going down an age group. As for the June daughter she is middle of the pack on a very talened U10 (this fall) team. But at that age it changes almost weekly not many of them are consistent which is expected. Fun times ahead, enjoy your seasons, and try your best to remember this should be a fun experience and don't get caught up in all the college talk it is too unpredictable at this age. As a case in point my oldest (the Dec B-day entering Sr. HS) is sitting on offers (combined athletic and academic) from 1 ACC, 2 BIG 10 schools and 4 other D1'S and she didn't kick a soccer ball in a formal setting until she was in 7th grade. The Nov, going into So. yr doesn't play soccer.
Wow 4 daughters, good to hear and nice opinion. Good luck
1227 Since your daughter is a senior can you give us your opinion is she playing for an ECNL club if not did she get the exposure at the high school level? Yes I do agree that there are girls starting 7th or 8th grade that have not touched a soccer ball yet but in a few years they will get noticed.
Whom ever called out the brackets and where PDA teams where going to be placed was spot on. Where will PDA Shore play? Preliminary schedules are out. U13 - Pre-ECNL (PDA:Galaxy)U13 - North East NPL (PDA South(Nova) and North(Crew))PreECNL sch: http://nplnortheastgirls.demosphere.com/schedules/2015-16/78887667.htmlNPL sch: http://nplnortheastgirls.demosphere.com/schedules/2015-16/78887658.htmlLet the forecasted rankings begin. lol
4 daughters and a son! My kids don't play at an ECNL club. If there was an ECNL club nearby I would have them there in a heart beat. Despite the upfront costs it seems like a bargain. The exposure came from camps, showcase tournaments and a recruiting service. We basically marketed her. In one instance we found a team from another state that brought her on for a showcase event. Despite those offers she is far from elite. Her grades are what will have gotten her into the school. No offers until Jr yr transcripts went out. As one assistant said.. "xxxx is a nice player, she is a safe choice for us because she won't be an academic risk... we're only allowed so many of those" Basically, all the messages were she helps the team gpa, won't play much, wont cost much, but will love being part of the team! Oh and let us know within the next 30 days or there are no gaurantees. Ironically, she understands this decision could actually be the end of her soccer career not the start of new chapter. Big Time school = practice player, Small Time school = game time. The tough choice is the bigger schools are known for academics more than women's soccer.
It's me the guy with all kids...I just want add that the purpose of my posts weren't to draw attention to my kids. The message I am trying to get across is don't worry or stress what you can't control, age group, tournaments your team plays in, who left for another club, etc... Focus on what you can control, is she being developed properly, is she having fun, is she in best environment to maximize potential without burning out, does she have cool cleats... the rest will take care of itself?
Question; Do folks just jump over to the u13g blog when it strikes midnight or does this blog continue on as a renamed entity?Or does it all get wiped clean and we get a fresh opportunity to acknowledge PDA's greatness!
This blog converts to U13 like it did last year and for all you ECNLer's there is your own ECNL blog to talk about your wonderful opportunities and bragging rights.
Midnight tonight we are officially U13, Goodbye U12's welcome U13. It was a great U12 year hopefully many of you parents remember this transition year. Now we all head into stressed environment of U13 where many changes will occur this year.
Are folks using that new link?
Nope zero post for these age group be careful it could be a setup to capture your IP address and find out who all the anonymous people are. J/KPlus I'm surprised the Admin's for this blog hasn't taken it down yet.
Big talent shake-up at MFA for the next years U14 team. The biggest blow yet...
Yes hearing MF is doing a big change maybe they are organizing for the calendar year change.
MF will be better next year, and that's not saying much. At least their current u14 teams are decent and should be able to have a few 2003 girls stay down and help these current teams. I'm glad they are going ecnl this year, would be a waste of time playing them.
MF needs a talent change, they have none at this age.
MF will be fine they will attract talent throughout the years, everyone in Northern NJ the team to be is PDA Pre-ECNL(Galaxy). MF will get the fall out of top players later in the years. NJX will ultimately become the MF ECNL come next year.
Did any notice the format FC Stars has it's following the new U.S. Club format for Calendar year change. U12 is 9v9/11v11 and U13 and above is 11v11. Interesting that the club is already following those guidelines so I guess the calendar year change will take affect next. Can't wait to see the acceptance list!
FC Stars did 9v9 last year for the U12 age group.
456 No they did not. Get your facts straight before you publish. Last Year Link: http://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=38880Nice to see an abundance of NJ teams there this year.
Oops posted wrong tourney FC Stars Last Year: http://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=38363
Apologies i meant 8v8, miles away from 9v9.
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I think the league organizations in regards to team placements are a joke. Big power house soccer clubs with moolah try to control everything. And I guess they are doing a good job at it.
What happened to the so called NPL division, EDP league is a joke a money making league just like there expensive tourney's.
Agreed the best teams in the region should be grouped together to play each other, I see plenty of lopsided games in each division.
yes - why is arsenal maximus in second division?
Because they are a 8v8 team with no record of ever playing 11v11. They may not even have enough players to compete.
MAx has 18 on their roster. Solid tm from what I saw...
2 questions....PDA Galaxy is Pre-ECNl now so they won't play in EDP?Also, I thought Pre-ECNL is at U12 not U13?
pre ecnl is anything before U14. U14 is when the actual ECNL league starts. There are so many different leagues these days.
1243 If your just coming on this blog now that's an old fact. Changes will happen next year when they go by calendar year. Hopefully EDP does crossover games I would like to see the top teams in each Div1 brackets play each other as well.
What birth years will play ECNL for 2016-2017 season?
@August 7, 2015 at 1:21 PM Was just answering the person above who didn't know the ecnl age brackets obviously.
Pre-ECNL is a marketing term to get parents to flock to the club prior to the ECNL years. $$$$$$
@August 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM $$$ you are on the money $$$
Average Pre-ECNL U13 player spends $2200-$2500 on tuition. Travel Cost $1200-$1600(Gas, Hotel, Tolls, Lunches/Dinners). Let's not forget extra $ for additional tournaments, training sessions, camps and coaching fees not built into team's budget, Est. $300-$500. $3700-$4600 over est. cost - wait but they will get the exposure right. What a laugh, a normal strong Club team at U13, U14 with more games and tourney's could get you the same result. Now at U15 if you really want the additional exposure for your daughter that possibly still wants to play collegiately by all means ECNL clubs are thing for them but at U13-U14 it is still a trial period and money pit.
Where is PDA Galaxy, I don't see them in the EDP div?
They are in Pre-ECNL division for Northeast NPL league.
You can only spend so much on the late model SUV, the 8 pairs of nike cleats, turfs, indoors and slides, the I-phones, the patagonia, and the mocha doodle frappe lattes. There is plenty left over for travel and tuition.
"Average Pre-ECNL U13 player spends $2200-$2500 on tuition. Travel Cost $1200-$1600(Gas, Hotel, Tolls, Lunches/Dinners). Let's not forget extra $ for additional tournaments, training sessions, camps and coaching fees not built into team's budget, Est. $300-$500."Do non ECNL teams not travel to tournaments and pay those costs? Are lunch/dinner/gas/tolls/hotels included in their tuition?
Are all roster set for the upcoming fall season ?
They are, until it all changes next year. Would someone tell me what percentage of PDA Galaxy starters are 03 compared to 02? Gives me an idea of odds of making the 03 team next year for ecnl. I believe this may help some of us with 03 birth years get a better chance of making team when you lose players from 02 year. I assume it's more weighted towards 02, so more spots open.
Has ECNL / NPL / EDP announced that they will be moving to calendar in fall of 2016 or is this just speculation that they all will move?USSF is suggesting best practice for next year but not mandatory.
I don't think many teams will be affected by the change into birth year. Any 03 girls could just stay where they are with the 02 teams or just play with an 03 team if there are any spots available at that point. And if any current 01 teams have any 02 girls on them, they could also either stay where they are or just go with an 02 team. Not a big deal. I think most teams are 02 dominant anyway with maybe a couple 03s, so changes wouldn't really have to be made.
No announcement yet but what I'm hearing is many players will be grandfathered into current squad. So if your an '03 player not on the bottom currently playing with an abundance of 02's then your daughter will not be asked to move down but to continue to play with the 02's. This goes by every age group. It's the newer batch of U13's of Pre-ECNL teams next year that they will start off the calendar year. This is the assumption for U.S. Club ECNL clubs. Again this is all rumors but matter what it's going to based on talent level evaluation.2016/201703's(fka U13's): Pre-ECNL02's(fka U14's): ECNL01's(fka U15's): ECNL00's(fka U16's): ECNL99's(fka U17's): ECNL98's(fka U18's): ECNL
Once the rosters are posted on the ECNL website you can go to member clubs choose team under 2015-2016 and it will give you rosters with DOB's. Here is PDA Pre-ECNL(Galaxy): http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/teams/78824319/50750405-78824368/TEAM.html
So, very interesting, Pre-ECNL Galaxy is loaded with '02's.Girls that, if calendar year, would be currently U14 instead of U13.
308 you are incorrect they would be considered U14 next fall. The 138 blogger has it correct on how it will look like next year.
Reality is that PDA u13 pre-ecnl team has more 03's/04 than 02's in starting positions.
I see what you mean. What confused me is that the "league year" will no longer coincide with the start of the fall.Mainly b/c I am dumb. lolDo you think there is any chance that the leagues may run spring to fall as opposed to the current fall to spring cycle?I am thinking it may have to go that way.Main tryout cycles would occur in the fall as opposed to the current spring.Some clubs already have the twice a year tryouts anyway.
332 Very True and how 02's are on the PDA's U14 ECNL team that's the true question because all the 02's will be lobbying for roster position come next spring for tryouts if many of the 02's on U14 ECNL decide to come down and play. This goes for many teams. Going to be very interesting. Whom ever posted the ECNL roster links thank you it gives a very good idea of whom is truly on the roster vs. so called GS rosters that have 25+ players.
@August 10, 2015 at 3:32 PM You're wrong.
Who cares about year, worry how well your daughter plays this next year then everyone can re-visit. This is a big transition year as many players may progress and catch up to others. While other players that were all stars fall back.
@4:38 / why is 3:32 wrong? Who is right?
A dominant 02 player would likely play U14 or possible U15 this year.
@934 You are right and based on that link to ECNL club rosters I've spotted a few already. Interesting on what they will do if it goes calendar year.
@9:34 PM - many dominant 02s could play current U14 possible U15, doesn't mean they do. Depending which team your child is on and the level of play, she may be getting more challenged right where she is. I know plenty of so called 'academy level' teams that are a year or two older that can't play anywhere close to the level of where my child's team is. Remember, coming on this blog, you never know which level of play people are talking about or even which state their child is playing in.
stars of mass brackets are out - as well as fall scheduleCan someone explain why Arsenal aka Maximus Red who won 8 v 8 state cup and had the merger taken place with World Class was touted as the players to dominate their pre-ecnl team is playing in the NPL 2nd division north and in the lowest bracket in the U13 stars of mass tournament. Doesn't make sense. is this just poor flighting?
@8:40. I was just referring to individual players not entire teams. An unusually strong individual player may need to play with older faster players to find the right challenge and level of play.
FC Star and WAGs brackets are not finalized they will adjust just like Spirit did. Tournament directors will do there homework, or the tournament will lose value in attendance.
@12:46 PM They are actually playing in EDP's 2nd Division North. Not in the NPL division of EDP. Where does it say that there is a merger with World Class? Do you have a link to back that up? The teams that suffer with league play, are the teams that came in at the top two placements in each division previously and now play teams who get automatic bids into the 1st divisions. A previous poster nailed it. It would be nice if all those top teams could play each other. US Club wouldn't allow it with their ECNL and NPL and control over other leagues now. When it comes down to it, it's probably all about money. They psychologically make people start thinking that if their child is not a member of their certain clubs, that their children may not develop to their potential. And trust me, the controllers of US Club like to have the power and control. Just look at how the team placements are. Depending on certain licenses, memberships that you have to be accepted ect.- is the deciding factor on whether or not this team can play that team. It's not even about the true top teams playing each other anymore. It's ridiculous.
I'm the Top Team poster and many thanks for the Kudo's. 253 I agree to many controlling objects from happening now, even though GS is not a bad tool it still helps with organizing the best teams. Wish youth soccer had a setup like Little League World Series even other countries come over for that.
@253. Maximus was bought out by World Class. The original assumption was that World Class would take over the U13G team, hence pre-ecnl team, but manager of Max didn't want that, so they basically just joined with Arsenal and call it Max Arsenal. This is what the poster was referring to I believe.
Spent some time trying to read the posts about the potential shift in age brackets vs "u-13" groupings. It seems like when they do it, it will absolutely cause issues. I'm sure for the big clubs with depth at every age bracket, and quality at every age bracket, it works, but at all but those biggest groups, many teams have been together for a while and enjoy being together while playing good soccer. I can't seem to figure out exactly what the benefit is? They couldn't seriously consider such a massive change to benefit such a small few?
928 I think it will be more of an option for clubs to do it as it will cause a huge ripple effect in the smaller and town clubs. I'd prefer if they kept it the way it is as the current carding system does group many of the kids almost to the same school grade year, with only small % born in Aug. only but those kids can always play up. Going calendar year will cause a hugh impact half the kids on the team will be in different grades.
That is a good thing. Kids should have more opportunity to get to know kids outside of their own grade.
1219 isn't playing at club levels a way to meet kids outside there school and grade also.
My daughter's team won't be affected. They are all mostly 02's and in the same grade and maybe a couple a grade up. This change will actually benefit them developmentally as they are one of the top teams that need to be more challenged. Would be great to see some teams possibly change and become stronger.
Many teams do have kids from a variety of schools on the team. But the new age guidelines apply to all teams. More localized town teams, with many players are from the same grade and district, can benefit from greater interaction between grades.
132 Yeah I can see the town level teams now, half will be in high school and other half will 8th graders next year. I can see a lot of fall sessions with players missing due to high school soccer. Oh wait so how does that benefit my daughter when half the team is missing at practice. If they go calendar year we'll be moving to a club team next year any.
See ya later...they are changing
2:07, go read the minutes from the last time they tried voting on it and it was shot down. same reasoning, little benefit, big burden. I don't see how playing all 02s together is stronger than a mix of 02/03s. You can have 02s from Jan being 12 months from a Dec 31st 02. Same 1 year gap as you'd have in the current scheme. This reminds me of some democratic stupidity where they do things just to do them thinking that in doing something they've done something whenin fact they've done nothing but hurt the system.why stir the pot just to stir the pot. 99% of the kids out there just want to enjoy the sport with their friends, teammates, classmates, and while they love watching Mia Hamm, they know they arent nor want to be Mia Hamm. The more you turn off kids from the sport believing something like this helps, the more you hurt the sport. I still have yet to hear a valid reason for this change other than grouping kids the way the US National team does so.
Personally I think the ODP and US National recruitment should adjust based on the current carding system or move it Sept 1st to Aug 31st. So when they get older and recruitment comes into play majority of the girls are in the same grade.207 you are on the button it was shot down last time so we'll see come January if it is shot down again.
Folks, they made the change and it was documented and proven on this blog a month ago. I don't have time to do your research, but things are not going your way. Let me guess, you have a 2002 child and probably born early fall. All the advantages she has had may just go away and at the worst time. At least she will still be the oldest in her grade and get here license early.
758 Until they make it publicly aware of on U.S. Club and U.S. Youth's website and not a bunch links people find. When the leagues & tournaments send out an official notice then we can talk about next steps. I've seen this played out so many times with converting games to 8v8 v 11v11 at the U11 & U12 ages and took almost 4-5 years to adopt that and still a ongoing process as U12 as some clubs still play 11v11 at U12. As moving to 8v8 games down to U11 and U12 were talked about back in 2010 when clubs wanted to follow a more European model.If it does happen then it may just happen on the top girls league(ECNL) only similar to what the boys academy have going by calendar year but all leagues and tournaments are through a carding process. And remember those carding systems are for insurance purposes so health legal thing will need to be passed on that aspect of the system.Keep in mind Gotsoccer will have a nightmare on there hand as teams reset there history as you can't carry you points over to team under a certain rules. Half your team is 03 and other half is 02 but are ranked on two different levels who gets those points total nightmare for clubs. LOL
I agree with 10:48am. If this were definitely happening then US Club or US Youth Soccer would have sent out an announcement. Instead we have a website link from a club in California as i recall?I'll believe it when i see it.
Yup total agree to many moving pieces for them to implement across the board. I'll wait to see it as well.
It's 2016 optional , then 2017 mandatory. It's all good and have been told by DOC it's going into effect.The real reason this helps is to keep girls playing against stronger competition, this is the number one thing you can do for development.Why would you want you daughter to be playing with younger girls instead of older girls? Yes, this will force a bunch of 2002 girls to move up and have to compete against the other best 2002 girls, but this is what you should want. If playing time and friends is more important to you, then move to rec.
@August 13, 2015 at 1:35 PM THANK YOU!!! I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!!
135 Please send us proof it's optional than mandatory some DOC's have claimed that and others have claimed it's still in discussion. Please provide us all proof from U.S. Club's website or US Youth that it states what you have blogged. If I'm wrong I'm man enough to admit it and my daughter is 03 and her team is majority 02's so I would feel see will be brought down on level of play due to this change. So your statement is unjustified.
@2:29 PM > I wouldn't worry about your 03'. She could continue playing with the 02s if she is one of the players that the team depends on. If she doesn't get much playing time because she is not playing at the same level as the other girls, than it wouldn't be a bad idea having her drop down to play with girls born in her own birth year of 03.I also did hear from our club about it being mandatory in 2017. At that time the girls will already be in HS, si wouldn't really matter anyway.
235 If your in an ECNL club which many DOC's have talked about it I understand where you are getting this info from as I am also in the same boat but still would rather see it come the TOP and make it public. We are talking about the other 90% of girls in other clubs outside the ECNL structure where it will probably start first as those DOC's have not confirmed any of that yet. Yes I do worry about my own daughter '03 and she is on the upper level on her team so I would have her play up if it does that way but that's going to be decided on how many '02's come down from the '01's. Again it's a ripple effect that's going to cause chaos.
They should leave all things alone. If they want to go to birth year they should start at the younger ages that are just beginning. This will cause problems for lots of teams with little or no benefit for most
They can't start with one year or that first group would only have a half year of players to start with. Would not have enough to field teams in some cases. It is out of my control so I will not worry about it. Maybe the roster changes will be for the better.
Spirit schedule posted any predictions?
playing with older kids is not valid. The girls will always have a 12 month window whether its U13 or Jan12002 to Jan 31 2002. There will always be someone who could be 12months older or younger than someone else. someone born lets say July 2003 is the youngster right now, becomes a mid-aged if we went calendar. sorry, playing with older is not statistically valid argument.
Why does Spirit have 3 pre-ECNL teams(FC Stars, Council Rock, & FC Virginia) in 2nd flight if these teams are supposedly the best of the best players within an area let them play in the top bracket to really see what the squad is made of as since there are a few in Top bracket I think will not compete.
Who said ECNL is always the best of the best? It is the best of the kids that try out for the team.
@ 1:01 pm - It's not by the 'acronym' placed next to the team name showing which league the team is playing in or will be playing in. If top tournaments want to remain being top tournaments, they have to place the teams in brackets based on their playing history. Not for which league they play in. Every league will be lop sided. Tournaments are where you will hopefully get the true match ups. Why else do you think ECNL teams can't participate in State Cup? Because if they lose, ...you get it. Enough said.
I think 101 was being sarcastic everyone as he/she was pointing out they automatically do not get top level just because of a prefix. Everyone knows ECNL is just Hype at U13 that's why the pre-fix "PRE" is there referencing the pre-team before they make 50% turnover next year. lol
Well 2:54 pm, I think 2:45 pm means U13/U14/U15 ect...
Nothing against Gotsoccer but it shows who the true teams are and will keep those top teams playing top level in tournaments as well.
GotSoccer doesn't always show true top teams. Look for example at US Club's Mid Atlantic Regional. You don't get enough quality top teams participating but winners get so called Gotsoccer points and a so called meaningless title. And at U13 and above placement into getting into a National Final run when they can't cut it winning US Club state cup.Here was that schedule: http://soccer.sincsports.com/TTSchedules.aspx?tid=USCLUBB&year=2015&stid=USCLUBB&syear=2015&div=U12F01Notice how they can put whatever teams in there that apply. Title chasers keep the parents of those teams satisfied and staying there because they are participating in these money grabbers that give them points and a winning title of something.
I see some teams using "pre" before their NPL team. Looks like it's an epidemic.
1:20 You are onto something about title chasers, pleasing parents, and plumping up a club with titles. I have a friend whose daughter plays for Copa FC. For the past two years they've played in the U.S. Club Southeast Regional instead of the Mid-Atlantic Regional. I don't understand why this club would have their teams compete in a region that isn't there, make their kids play in North Carolina, and make parents shell out more time and money for what appears to be an unnecessary travel trip for "titles." This year's Mid-Atlantic regional was at PDA. Copa could have saved their parents money and time and have the players sleep in their own beds. I guess Copa FC has no problems chasing "titles" and using the financial backs of decent, hardworking moms and dads to puff up the club.
Finally the 1st batch of games start this weekend good luck to all at Spirit and really look forward what many teams will look like this coming fall.
This has bothered me all weekend and all the talk to converting to calendar year. After watching the USA blow out Costa Rica, why all the rush to change to calendar year. Whom is it to say we are falling behind other countries on the women's side of soccer in the U.S. Clearly we dominated or have showed plenty of promise for the past 15 years and all those players grew up in the current format and probably even played 11v11 at U11. I say if it isn't' broke don't fix it! Also it looks like the men's side is struggling and their academy format has been calendar year for some time now.U.S. Club & U.S. Youth don't let these over sea characters say we are falling behind on the women's side because clearly based on the success stories they are not.
FC stars - to bad rage has to play MF and WCFC in you bracket - both very weak teams.i wonder what team MF ecnl is? Have they mixed njx girls into the team?
7:01 maybe you should consider finding out the facts before posting. Many FC Copa players of all ages were in Canada watching the World Cup games during the time that PDA hosted its mid Atlantic regional. Can't be in two places at once. I'm sure if you bothered to actually talk to your friend about the trip you would have discovered this, but instead you come on here bashing a team you know nothing about, and and posting about an age group which is irrelevant to this one. Go crawl back under your rock, please.
Girls U13 ChampionshipBracket A ALBERTSON FURY '02 (NYE)PHWM SC FURY (MD)PLAYERS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY NOVA (NJ) Bracket BPENN FUSION SA PREECNL'02 GIRLS (PAE)NEW JERSEY RUSH 02 GIRLS BLUE (FKA RAGE FC RENEGADES) (NJ)SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITE (NEW) (MA) Bracket CHMMS IMPACT EAGLE FC (PAE)PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD)CHERRY HILL FC DESTROYERS '02 (NJ) Bracket DCLARKSTOWN 2003 WHITE-ROZYCKI (NYE)AZTEC SOCCER GIRLS 02 NPL (MA)CONTINENTAL FC PRE-ECNL '02F (PAE) EliteBracket A SJEB '02G NPL (NJ)AZTEC SOCCER GIRLS 02 NEP (MA)LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED 02 GIRLS (PAE) Bracket BCT RUSH SW 02/03 (CT)INTERNATIONAL GIRLS FUTBOL ACADEMY 02-03 02-03 (NJ)RAGE SC '02 ATHLETICA (PAE) Bracket CFC STARS OF MASS WEST PRE ECNL (MA)ISA SLAMMERS 02 (NYE)COUNCIL ROCK UNITED FC BUCKS RED PRE-ECNL (PAE) Bracket DFC VIRGINIA PREECNL 02 (VA)STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 02 (NJ)UKRAINIAN NATIONALS HELIOS BLACK (PAE) PlatinumBracket A ATLETICO FC GIRLS '02 (NYE)NORTH UNION UNITED 02F STRIKERS (PAE)PARKLAND AREA SC PASC FORCE (PAE) Bracket BCESC CALVERT SQUAD WHITE (MD)DELAWARE RUSH (DE)MONTGOMERY UNITED MONU 02'S (PAE) Bracket CDELRAN FC UNION (NJ)SUPERNOVA FC SUPERNOVA 02/03G BLACK (PAE)EAST ISLIP SC LIGHTNING (NYE) Bracket DTWIN COUNTY SA XTREME 02/03 (NJ)WARRINGTON SC FC NINJAS (PAE)BRENTWOOD SC STORM (NYE) PremierBracket A HARLEYSVILLE FC HFC READY '02 (PAE)FC BERNA LEGACY 02G GOLD (NJ)PHWM PATRIOTS (MD) Bracket BCONTINENTAL FC NPL '02F (PAE)ARUNDEL ASA ARSENAL (MD)PENN LEGACY FC PL 02 BLACK F (PAE) Bracket CNJ ELITE '02/'03 (NJ)FALLSTON FREEDOM (MD)BALTIMORE BAYS LEGACY (MD) Bracket DMOUNT LAUREL UNITED PRIDE (NJ)PENN FUSION SA NPL'02 GIRLS (PAE)LOWER MERION SC THUNDERBOLTS (PAE) GoldBracket A COUNCIL ROCK UNITED FC BUCKS RAMPAGE (PAE)HAVERFORD ELITE 02 (PAE)HMMS GALAXY (PAE) Bracket BFC EUROPA ATTACK (PAE)PENNSYLVANIA PSA 02 WHITE (PAE)HERSHEY 02 ORANGE KICKKATS (PAE) Bracket CFC YORK 02 ELITE (PAE)LEE MOUNT VERNON SC LMVSC PATRIOTS RED 02 (VA)YMS HEAT (PAE) Bracket DVINCENT UNITED INTEGRITY (PAE)SMS BLAST WHITE PREMIER (MD)HUNTER SC MUSTANGS (PAE) SilverBracket A Bracket B CONTINENTAL FC BARCA '02F (PAE)PATRIOT FC RED VIPERS (PAE)GREATER BINGHAMTON UNITED FUTBOL GBUFC RED '02 SELECT (NYW)UKRAINIAN NATIONALS HELIOS RED (PAE) Bracket BFC PROVIDENCE STRIKERS (PAE)PREMIER MUSTANGS (MD)SUPER NOVA 02/03G (PAE)WARRINGTON WHITE WILDCATS (PAE) BronzeBracket A METHACTON UNITED SC FORCE (PAE)FC YORK 02 PREMIER BLUE (PAE)PIPELINE SC RED (MD)WEST CHESTER UNITED SC EAGLES'02 GIRLS (PAE)PHWM SC ARSENAL (MD) WhiteBracket A Bracket B ROSE TREE SC FIREWORKS (PAE)LIGHTHOUSE FORCE (PAE)DONEGAL YOUTH SOCCER LIGHTNING '02 (PAE) Bracket BLANGHORNE NESHAMINY UNITED VENOM (PAE)RADNOR SAMBA G02-03 (PAE)LANSING KNIGHTS YO LKYO INTER MAYFAIR (PAE)
@7:01 - Wow, that's crazy. But, you know why they are doing that right? Copa plays on Rutgers turf and Rutgers coach is girls' DOC at PDA. Don't you think they have some sort of agreement, possibly both financially and use of fields, so that both clubs can try and earn a 'title'. I've almost had enough of soccer and it's politics in general. It's quite disturbing all around.
From other blog:From NTX:I wanted to update you on the changes that are underway with the USSF Player Development Initiatives.This is what we believe to be true at this point in time. We are still verifying some aspects of this and will let you know if changes take place. This will affect all:- North Texas Member Associations' registration of players and formation of teams- North Texas Competitive Club team formation- North Texas league playing rules and field layouts- All other Federation organizationsI have attached some documents to help you understand the initiatives.The Player Development Initiatives presentation was provided to us by the Federation to help explain the small sided game plan. It outlines their recommendations on field size as well as the number of players on the field, game length, etc.The highlights of the small sided formats are:U8 and below - 4 v 4, no goal keeperU9, U10 - 7 v 7, goal keeper, but no puntingU11, U12 - 9 v 9We are expecting some lattitude on the sizes of fields as associations and playing leagues are working with any field modifications necessary.I have also attached a spreadsheet that has two tabs. One tab compares where we are now with where we need to be by 2017 on small sided soccer. The key differences for NTX are the U7/U8 age group, where we will need to move down to 4 v 4 and the U11/U12 age group where we need to move down to 9 v 9. We are recommending that we move the U7 to 4 v 4 and the U11 to 9 v 9 next year, so that when they move up to U8 and U12 the following year, they will be keeping the same playing format. Then going into 2017, everyone will have transititioned to the desired format.There is another tab on the calendar year age groups. North Texas Soccer is planning to make this change for the 2016/2017 playing year. We are in the process of confirming with USSF that these are the correct birth years for the correct age groups for 2016/17 and that all of the other programs that we interact with are changing at the same time. It will mean that half of each current age group will repeat their age group, if they decide to play within their calendar birth year age group.We will be extensively revising the North Texas rules, submitting them to the membership for approval at the mid-year AGM in January. To minimize the disruption to already formed teams, we are recommending changes to the rules regarding playing up. Keeping in mind that a team is always designated by the age of their oldest player, we are recommending that players be permitted to play up at any age group. Then teams with half of their players with one calendar year birthdate and half with another can continue to play together, just designated as the older age. Associations and clubs could then begin at the youngest age groups with players all from the same calendar birth year and phase into age pure teams. In addition, any new players added to teams could be added to their own calendar year age group. If a club or association wanted to go ahead and make adjustment to existing teams, hopefully with minimal upset to players and parents, theywouldhave the ability to do that.We will plan time at the AGM to discuss the implementation of these changes, so we are all ready to start with registration in next summer. I will also be working with the Competitive Committee to make any rules recommendations necessary to help make this a smooth transition. This is a lot of changes in a very short period of time and we are very fortunate to be working with a great group of associations and clubs that I am sure will work together and get this done.Thank you for all you do for the players and your organizations.Sincerely,JanetJanet CampbellYouth CommissionerNTX Soccer
@August 17, 2015 at 12:26 PM SEE - - No changes have to really be made at this age group with already formed teams.
Only if the team is willing to play at the oldest player's year.So, if you have four '02 players and 13 '03's, the team will probably want to play at '03 and will leave the '02's to find a different team.
PDA hosted the 2014 Mid-Atlantic regionals too. But Copa went to NC last year in addition to this year. It doesn't make sense to have parents unnecessarily travel and pay money when the appropriate regional is a stone's throw away from Rutgers.
Teams don't make decisions clubs do. No guarantee this will happen next year, there is a chance an agreement will be made so that everyone goes together in 2017. Be a bit of a mess if some go in 2016 and some go in 2017. Biggest issue is fields, clubs need an abundance of time to make sure they have enough fields of the right size. Sounds easy, but it's not. Won't be finalized until winter as I understand it.
Can someone explain who the match fit pre ecnl team is playing at stars? What a joke, they have no team.
Stars has updated brackets - still no schedules. Looks like some nice changes. And I agree that MFFC should not be in top bracket.
SDFC shouldn't be in the first bracket either and why is PDA in such a low bracket?
PDA Crew? Because they are average, hence the low flighting.
i read crap like this, i want to throw up all over the poster. " PDA Crew? Because they are average, hence the low flighting. August 19, 2015 at 10:57 AM "How in the world would you even know what good soccer is? you're a soccer website troll with zero life that you qualify and quantity a really nice U13 girls soccer team at one of the best clubs in the nation, girls who probably can hold even with their best sister teams. All of you people who think you know anything about this game shoudl just resign yourselves to dropping off your kids at practice and picking them up. If you want to be constructive, feed them well, tell them how proud of them you are, and leave it at that. I'd imagine 90% of the people on this site have no idea about soccer rules, regulations, formations, watch professional soccer, but yet some how are qualified to rank team.
Wow, PDA parent practically crying bc someone called your child's team average. Better to realize that now, instead of later when you're waiting and waiting for those college offers to come in...
Tell me why PDA Crew deserve to be flighted higher? No need to be upset by the previous posters summary of the team. They are a mediocre team until they prove otherwise.
It's a new season. Why don't we wait and see a few scores before we make dumb statements.
MFA should Def. be dropped to a lower bracket. Feel for those kids. New team , new club, and new beginning.
Why would they want to be there? Bad for club and for people spending so much time and money to travel for good comp.Wake up matchfit and do the right thing.
Nova takes Spirit this weekend. Calling it now!
@August 21, 2015 at 1:13 PM Is your daughter on that team?
@136 - Yup!
Oh ok. I think playing PHWM SC FURY should be a bit easier competition. ALBERTSON FURY '02 will be the team that will be the true match-up with your daughter's team in Bracket A. Could possibly go either way with those two teams to make semis but I'd say Nova should get into the semis.Bracket B, tough call in that one. I'd probably go with NJ Rush Blue. Bracket C, HMMS IMPACT EAGLE FC to make the Semis, my guess.Bracket D, CONTINENTAL FC my other guess.Final Prediction - NJ Rush Blue vs HMMS IMPACT EAGLE FC w/ NJ Rush Blue taking the overall win.
@249 You really have a lot of time on your hands to analyze 12 year old soccer teams. lol
Doesn't take much time to throw out predictions. And what does age have anything to do with it? Most parents take an interest in the age group that their child plays. You are obviously interested as you spend your time checking postings if you are coming on this blog, and probably have a child in this age group, hopefully that is.
I come here to get a laugh at what other crazy parents do, and yes I'm good with my club(#1 in the country) and having a very respectable coach.
@ 3:44 PM - I THINK YOU ARE ARROGANT AND A CREEPER.
I think 3:44 is pretending to be a parent from a club that he/she is not really part of to make a bad rep for parents of players from there.
Kids are probably on here also. If they can go about there own on social media apps and sites what makes you think some kid isn't on here.
PDA Nova with a strong effort so far at Spirit.Surprised that Penn Fusion lost to the old Rage Renegade team, even with one of their players going over. Though, they did beat PF 4-0 in the spring.2:49 is looking pretty good right now.
Looks like Pipeline stepped up their play this season. All teams are probably a bit different now.Might be NJ Rush Blue or Nova vs Pipeline in the final
The good Albertson Fury team or shall I say better team is playing at the FC Stars Cup. Probably got the two confused.
There were some good games this weekend. I was very impressed with one of Nova's goalkeepers. She was phenomenal at pk's. She picked the correct side everytime in the shootout until she made a save that put Nova in the finals.
434 Yes there was great weather and weekend of good soccer hopefully FC stars is the same! Hope to see many familiar faces up there as well. Nova seemed like they proved there and HMMS seems to be the strongest in the tri-state area.
HMMS I guess is the team to play this year.
223 You must be from PF or Rage if you were the only person to acknowledge of certain player movement. Yes Nova impressed and played well our newer additions have given us a stronger team and NJRush/Rage played strong but are coming off a long break. HMMS also has been playing all summer if you look at their history and sometimes that helps with conditioning going into a pre-season tourney. To early to tell who the better teams will be good luck this season.
@11:32 AM agree with your post.
ODP selections came out today. What is the ODP program? Does it cost money and is it worth it?
Yes, it was great 5 years ago. It's a money grab now and everyone knows that.
ODP is all about the money. Did it with my older daughters. They had a great experience the first year but then we learned what it was all about. $$$ Will never do it with my others.
U.S. Soccer has press release. It's official. Calendar year is in effect.
Dam this age group of 02's and 03's have the biggest impact! Parents will have to weigh in on heavy discisions. If your daughter is a younger 02 going to compete against many of the older 02's playing u14 this fall. If your older 03 playing with 02's now do stay down and playing with younger 03's back at U13.Going to be tuff call for many.I would start looking at rosters DON's now.
Very few girls on the best teams at the best clubs will have the option to play up, unless the team above is weak and in need of stronger players. Many of the second tier clubs will ride out the next few years playing up, but won't be able to compete at the highest levels anymore. May be a great time to look at the power house clubs, if you fall on the younger side of the fence. The advantage for so many fall bates just went the other direction at the worst possible time. The college showcases are two short years away.
Dumb leading the dumber over that at US Soccer. Lets hear it for the truly stupid!
936 Agreed! So many kids on the younger end of the calendars will lose so much confidence at the younger ages and quit the sport and coaches at the town level travel will take advantage and flow there best teams with kids born on the older side of the year. Stupid move US Soccer. Women's soccer has strived and become a national hit why change something that is not broken. As you can see it's not working well on the academy side of the boys side going calendar year.
@ 942.Said the parent of the August born kid.The world will not collapse. Kids are not going to quit soccer because of their birthdate.
I find it funny because either system will have younger or older players.What complainers blatantly fail to realize is that this system will mesh nicely with high school soccer.In the current setup, you could have U14 teams with half the team playing high school soccer.Just let it play out. If your kid is good enough, they will get taken care of. If you're on the bubble and worried about their age, then you must do what is best for their development.
1109 You are incorrect the newer system will not mesh nicely with high school as the current system is closer to school calendar. Unless you school system start Jan 1st. I know most of cut off dates for NJ, NY, PA start between Sept 1 and Oct 1st so Aug 31 only leaves a one month gap as the new system puts a 3 or 4 month gap.
@11:32 from yesterday. Nope. But, if your kid is in US Soccer Training and you can hold a conversation with parent, you tend to find out things.9 players left SJEB, with 5 of those going to Bucks.Interestingly enough, Bucks beat SJEB in the 2nd flight at Spirit.
I guess I'm still trying to wrap my head around the change since I didn't really think it was going to go through. Does it actually work out better though for the kid with the June/July birthday who has always been the youngest kid on the team because of the Aug 1- July 31 soccer cutoff who will now actually be in the middle of the pack from a calendar year perspective?
I think you'll find that most teams won't change their roster based on the birth year mandate by US Club. Our girls will be 02s or 03s meaning a successful team right now should be pretty competitive in an 02 environment. The age gap between a Jan 02 and Dec 02 is relative to what it was with an Aug 1st 02 and July 31st 03 player. So US Club saying it will be better for players development is a ridiculous rationale. Doesn't make any sense to change the system on the girls side, it's obviously working as the Womens team just won the World Cup convincingly! If they'd have got knocked out in the first round then i could maybe understand the need to change the system.
@1115 Why re-explore what happened to SJEB everyone knows of there separation this blog the poster was referring to Nova and Rage game and HMMS being as strong as they are. Who cares of knowledge of players flocking together to Bucks it's done move on.
if you don't change, the powerhouse clubs will get even stronger, because they will change and there is no way you can compete against them playing with a team playing half up, let alone even. Maybe you were the guy asking for proof and saying it would never happen, and now you believe tthe teams won't change. I feel sorry for some of the girls, many will lose starting positions, other will be moved to b teams at older age groups. The good news is, the other half will get new start and become starters on the A teams, or at least compete at a stronger level.
If sjeb lost all these girls, why doesn't the coach move them down a level or two at stars. Same thing for MF and wc, move down and don't waste others teams time and money. Where did the other 4 girls go? I assume with joe t at nova or did they move to rage? Many of them are 2002 and will be moving up with the Storm players next year. Maybe they get lucky and Mike o takes the 2002 team and keeps all 28 of them.
Wow 9 girls! I was wondering why they were in Flight 2 at Spirit. Losing 9 is a huge turnover good for them to still be competing as many teams that lose that many girls end up folding up as a team.
Well- they did lose a team because they had to combine the east and west together as one team. I heard talk during the tournament this past weekend that the age below lost a bunch of players recently so I wonder if they will end up doing that with that U12 age bracket and go from 2 teams down to 1. Somehow they are just not able to retain their top players long term.
Is this calendar year thing just for Club and Acad teams or is this for fall Highschool teams as well?
Does this effect reg travel teams that play in NOrthern counties league? What about mcysa league, since they don't card through US Club?
1259 You should be using names on this blog!
@11:50 so what?Sure i think anyone/everyone acknowledges this. But the change in age groups doesn't fix it.It just shifts it. Now a different set of kids will be the youngest.US soccer didn't help this in anyway - if they wanted to address that as a problem, they should have looked at other options like 6month windows for the age brackets.Now you've just shifted the problem to a different set of kids AND caused them to be less aligned with the kids they go to school with.Makes no sense - ok, the rest of the world does it that way. But it hasn't harmed the women's side to this point so why do it that way when there are other drawbacks...
Is NJYS going to the calendar yr also?
106 Yes if it is NJYS is under Youth Soccer and their carding process is also so I assume they will follow suite after the instructions are carried out.
The problem with what US Soccer has done is that they've catered to the minuscule % of players who might benefit from going to calendar year (those at the National team level). But a lot of players who play on the same team as their best friends, or school friends who might have played for that main enjoyment factor will now find it difficult to do so. Meaning they are at a high risk of dropping out. Likewise the problem when one team graduates with half Seniors and half Juniors. What do those Juniors do for the remaining year when they turn to Seniors? A lot of teams will have to merge in the final year of soccer, of which some are still being recruited for College, placing them at risk of not being seen by their Colleges of choice.I honestly do not see the advantages of changing the system.
Yes, but NJYS to totally different than US Club.. I haven't seen anything about NJYS going to calendar yr
Does this affect playing High school Soccer? (Varsity, JV, etc)
NJYS is directly affiliated with USYSA and USSF which both have adopted the changes. US Club has adopted officially.I'm sure NJYS will follow along willingly.Most larger clubs will probably want to make a switch earlier than later as they have the numbers and will allow them to seamlessly transition and win. Realistically, if clubs delay the change, if you have an '03 U12 or an '02 U13, and you know the current team will probably not play up to the oldest player, I would make the change as soon as is realistic. Don't want to be standing on the deck of the Titanic with no lifeboat.
Can anyone answer the H.S question? Im curious about that too....Also, I have a May child currently playing U13. So according to the chart in 2016, she will still be a U13 next fall when she is in 8th grade, is that correct? If so, she'll play U13 then go straight into H.S, something doesn't seem right?
It has nothing to do with Highschool this is youth club soccer. But as for the new calendar year for club this will help the cross play between 17,18 years at the club level because of some graduating from HS and others not. By that age they will be playing with multiple age groups anyway.
My daughter is an 03, going into 7th grade. Almost half her team now are 02's and are going into 8th grade. Now it will be the opposite effect, she will have girls that are going into 6th grade playing with her. It's just a realignment to national team standards. There will always be players that are 11 months apart in any scenario and a school grade apart. The only concern is if your daughter is a bubble 02, she will now have more competition to deal with moving to an older group team. And who are the posters to say what is better? that will remain to be seen. Maybe it will have a positive affect. If this is implemented next year, then U13 03's will be playing U13 again.
So what happens to the 02's who are now playing u13 and going into 7th grade? If they play with the 02's that are now going into 8th grade, the younger 02's won't have a team in the fall of their 8th grade year when the older 02's are playing high school.
826 2002 exactly have the same scenario well it's possible the 02's going into high school will end up playing club ball anyway and bypass high school freshman year unless they are selected for the Varsity team. It is a trend of high schools are doing away with freshman teams and only doing JV and Varsity due to funding anyway.
@August 26, 2015 at 8:26 PM This is what I am worried about. What will most teams do about that?
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