I got that e-mail this morning, my decision has been made. Next year we will be leaving the number one club in the country and heading over........... not.
Great comeback. What was talk to the hand taken?? What year is it?
Did I read that correctly "6 Premier level girls teams and 2 premier level boys teams" Is that correct? lol GPS, NJ RUSH can merge or take over clubs here and there but there will only be a few select clubs to truly go to PDA and Match Fit after everything is all said and done.
FC Copa was busted at nationals for playing illegal players last year. PDA's card drama was a stupid, brain fart moment. Copa's card drama actually required pre-meditated thought and planning. PDA's was at states. Copa's was at nationals. PDA's occurred outside of Philadelphia. Copa parents trolling blogs - where were nationals? How far did those players have to travel?
That's gonna be one heck of an NPL team
Question for some PDA parents....since there isn't a U9 blog. I'm thinking about trying out my daughter for PDA in May or so for the Fall season, which will be U10. Is there a lot of politics involved to get her on the "A" team? She's a great talent, but I know how some of these clubs work. They don't want to cut kids off the A team, so they offer you a B tm proposal. I live close to an hour away so I don't think it's worth it to travel that far if you're not on the top team. I understand the training is really good, but there is also good training other places that are much closer...Thoughts? Thanks
(1:44PM) No politics, they take the best and cut the worst so if you want your daughter in the cattle shoot until someone else pushes her out then that is the place for you. Your comment is laughable. All PDA does is cut players and then take the next best thing. PDA will always have some type of success. And like that TRUTH guy said, the King stays the King. But sometimes the King gets overthrown and my opinion is that the King's antics are antiquated and a model that isn't working for the educated soccer family with a middle class income. With coaching education being extremely available and accessible and the interest in soccer growing daily in this country, families no longer have to be beholden to the King because there are plenty of great programs with knowledgable and caring coaches. This Rage / Rush merger is interesting and definitely places Rush as the major player in South Jersey soccer. And while the merger is quite interesting, all of the unknowns that come with the merger are even more interesting. What happens from here? Who else moves to strengthen that club? Time will tell. This is one to watch.
Ok, I'll be the first to say it. Rage brought 8 teams into the merger. Of those, only the Renegades qualifies as an elite team and even they were still playing 8v8 and had their own challenges ahead going full sided. Rage the club was a survival risk and that's why they threw in the towel. ALL of their teams were parentally coached. Great website, nice uniform kits etc, but they we never the real deal just another start up faux academy. They merged rather than suffer a slow steady demise and for that I say they did the right thing for those 8 teams. Rush benefits by eliminating another competitor and getting one good team to work with. Beyond that it's not a landscape changer in any way.
Why bring FC Copa into conversation? This is the PDA blog. Lol. PDA ha enough issues of their own without confusing them with someone else's. Lots of drama between north vs. south, and north second team fighting for an identity other than the forgotten stepchild.
2:34 Well said and totally agree it gives the teams that are not categorized as an Elite team somewhere to play in future or have the backing from RUSH to pull more quality players onto those teams to get there. It will take time to digest and if they continue the "RUSH WAY" it should be a good decision for club. In my eye's it's not technically a merger more a bigger brand taking over a mom & pop shop that has done well in the past years but needed that extra backing to put them where the big boys play.
How does the RUSH model differ from Matchfits?
RUSH Model is to take over high level playing teams which are establish within there network of clubs that pay the Dunkin Donut franchise fee in Hamilton, Highland, and now Rage and make them RUSH teams this is extra $$ to parents. MatchFit a little identical but with a bigger network but instead affiliate with clubs instead. Holmdel, Summit, Montclair, Parsippany, Berkeley and forming teams within that network than at U14 merging the best players to play ECNL. Continued opportunities to girls to always attend and make the ECNL squad. A little more like PDA with the affiliates. PDA has North, South, and Shore clubs.
The funny thing is that there has been no mention on the other age groups blogs about the merger. I guess it was only brought up in this blog due to the 1 team being worthy of an premier status. So you know it was someone from the team that posted the merger details. I can see a battle of U12 teams in the NJ Rush Club, who will prevail?
The flip side to not cutting players are mediocre teams. Kudos to the clubs who thought at U8-U10 they could develop talent by having no cuts. Looks like time has caught up with those who didn't do cuts. I always wondered why these clubs/teams had "tryouts." If you don't cut, why advertise for players??
Well if club is not attracting enough players to fill teams then you can't cut. Can someone tell me the average numbers of players that get cut on PDA top teams from U13 to U16?
Will rush and rage combine teams. That will be nice to have another quality club in the south.
Rush hamilton and now Rush Rage are definitely going to be battling for top. The two clubs are ro far apart from eachother in location and they both have teams with a full roster. I'm sure Hamilton might not be feeling to happy about that. And for the Head of Rush, it's $$, business for them.
Are people that crazy to be blogging at 1am in the morning. lol Doesn't matter Rush nationwide organization I'm sure they will figure things out among the clubs in NJ. Of course $$ are involved and I'm sure tuition will be raised to accommodate the fees.
For the comment on the 1am poster....you don't knoe their situation. they could work different hoursFor the person with the getting cut question. I heard TSF cuts a lot, but I know some clubs won't especially at a young age like U8 to U10 or so
Spring EDP bracketshttp://events.gotsport.com/events/default.aspx?EventID=43269
So PDA Galaxy, Crew and Shore are in the same bracket?
3 PDA teams in the same bracket, I'm calling it now 1 of those teams will end up very unhappy by season's end. Plus PDA's U11 team moved up to play in the 2nd division 11v11.The 8v8 bracket will have compelling discussion once again.
The real issue for Pda is playing each other in league when I'm sure they scrimmage all the time togetherDoesn't leave them with many games, but it doesn't look like their coach likes to play games anyway
Wow 3 PDA teams plus the south playing in high level brackets. This will only achieve what they are aiming for in 2 years, a top notch ECNL team at U14/U15.
Galaxy (+ 1 player from Nova with legacy) is the ECNL team. Perhaps some Crew players earn a bench spot as a token gesture and to provide hope so the parents keep them at PDA, If anyone thinks any PDA Shore players are making the ECNL team, PDA has done a wonderful job selling TR the new uniforms.
Crew is a very good team and they have about 2 or 3 I would imagine that could make the jump. There will be a few from Galaxy that get asked down and a few that will leave for 100% playing time somewhere else(careful what you wish for). They will also pick up at least 3 or 4 over next year and that will make the ecnl team... Problem is that they will have to play MF, WC and a bunch of other teams that won't be strong for some time, if ever. Going ecnl and staying there could get very boring until u15 , 16 and 17.
Can njx confirm they won't be playing in spring together.
7:59am - Very Good insight and good outlook to what to expect. Like you said PDA North is in a tuff jam with being ECNL and you may be correct that there will not be competitive teams to play until U15+. Hopefully there will be more crossover games among the NPL teams as well.
9:47am. Hence the problem with ECNL. Just because it's the top league in the country it does not mean it contains the top teams. If you look at the ECNL league at the older age groups you notice the vast difference in the good teams and bad teams. Some teams are getting beat 6-0 every game.PDA as a group isn't as strong as it once was. There is so much talent being developed at other clubs with better coaching than you will find at PDA. It's no coincidence that the A team has lost to a team within the State (SDFC). The gap is getting smaller and to think otherwise is naive.
Agreed time will only tell, I think EDP in the NY, NJ, PA, DE has done a nice job not segmenting the ENCL/NPL teams yet to assure less travel for parents for weekend games. I think with the spring league along with US Club State Cup games, the EDP Open Cup, and various strong tournaments (Jeff Cup, PDA Spring Kick Off, EDP Spring Cup, FC Delco). All this will provide the area teams good enough competition to keep our teams rank highly enough that hopefully teams from very far away like OH, VA, MD, NC come looking for games towards us in the future. Let them chase our region until U15.
“Wow, nix momma bear is gone..kinda sad. Hope she doesn't show up on our team.”“Njx is losing teams and players across the board. U13 board lit up with angry parents. We can all hate PDA, but this crap doesn't happen there. MF is a joke and getting worse.”"Can njx confirm they won't be playing in spring together."If you look at the EDP schedule someone posted, you will see they are listed, which would lead one to conclude they are playing in the spring. You’re obsession with this group of young girls is alarming. Chris Hanson may be showing up at your door (or sideline of your game) any day.
Okay...I am starting to feel bad for the NJX families/players. I could be wrong, but I am starting to think that the NJX hating is coming from that club/team itself. I don't think any other team's parents would keep knocking on that team like this, bringing so much negativity, unless it was a personal vendetta. Possibly a current parent of a child on the team that is feeling angry, or parent that has recently left and throwing their hate out there.
It's just the immature parents that post negativity on these blogs. There are plenty of parents that come on this blog to give/get information or insight of what is happening at this age level, myself included. Matchfit has ties with NJX if they are unhappy among all the age groups than how long will there affiliate the last parents should be happy they have the backing of Academy club. Has anyone seen a bad merger or affiliate the past 4/5 years occur and give an example if the club did not resign?
I think how NJX bills itself is very telling. On GotSoccer they are Holmdel NXJ Sol (MFA U-12). Is this because they want to remain known as NJX Sol? To keep their GotSoccer points? Their MF affiliation isn't too important to them hence the ( )? Or does this club has split personalities since they have 3 identifiers in their name?I think MF, WC, etc will get better as kids try out for those teams and leave their town teams. I don't think Galaxy cares too much about local competition. If they did they wouldn't have gone to Chicago last year to play.
5:38pm. Incorrect regarding Galaxy traveling to Chicago. The whole PDA girls side goes to Eclipse every year. Has nothing to do with local competition.
When the heck is Chris Hanson getting to this guys keyboard? NJX should change their name completely and leave the state the way this whacko obsesses with them. If my daughter played for them I would look into a restraining order. Coo-coo....
Don't ever move to Pda, you would accuse every other poster of being coo coo. Then again they would never want you, heard you are the biggest reason for njx problems. Has nothing to do with kids, all parents on this team.
“Wow, nix momma bear is gone..kinda sad. Hope she doesn't show up on our team.”“Njx is losing teams and players across the board. U13 board lit up with angry parents. We can all hate PDA, but this crap doesn't happen there. MF is a joke and getting worse.”"Can njx confirm they won't be playing in spring together.""I think how NJX bills itself is very telling. On GotSoccer they are Holmdel NXJ Sol (MFA U-12). Is this because they want to remain known as NJX Sol? To keep their GotSoccer points? Their MF affiliation isn't too important to them hence the ( )? Or does this club has split personalities since they have 3 identifiers in their name?""Don't ever move to Pda, you would accuse every other poster of being coo coo. Then again they would never want you, heard you are the biggest reason for njx problems. Has nothing to do with kids, all parents on this team."Move on already. Your obsessed. You're making a fool of yourself again. But I guess we have all come to expect that from your kind. Follow the example of the intelligent bloggers on here who add value, discuss different tournaments, leagues, developments at other ages or youth soccer in general. Your obsession with NJX is troubling. I guess now that Jackson is no more the haters need a new target.
7:26 has to a NJX parent. Funny how only a few months ago they were bragging about themselves.
I'm confused. The blog said NJX broke up, girls fled to other teams. Why would parents on a team that no longer exists be posting here still? Where did all their girls go? Why is MF pre-ECNL team playing in the 2nd division but NJX is listed in 1st division if they don't exist? I get so confused following this blog. And wouldnt the ECNL team be the top team? Its like Galaxy playing in 2nd division and Crew playing 1st? Or like LYON BLUE playing up a year instead of LYON.
NJX is still a team so give it up people. They will be playing this spring. Looks like the MFA team is playing preecnl teams in that division. Why are all these teams listed as 2nd division. Except for the two town teams who will have a tough time there. Then the "PDA"division is playing the same teams over and over again for the past two years. I don't understand the brackets. They do not make much sense. And no crossover games. So arsenal and TSF can play themselves for the twentieth time?
She is back. It all started with her Middletown rants and what a great town team they were.
@1147. I'm not NJX. I'm tired of these parents wishing ill on 11 year olds. It's OBVIOUS they are playing in spring. I'm just making comments about EDP brackets. You tell me why teams are all over the place.
Could someone explain why PDA allowed their three teams to play one bracket? They are all good but not equal. At all.
What other choice does Pda have? Galaxy will get the worst draw, but all other teams are pretty equal. The south division travel would be brutal, the north is very weak.
At 1150Sure your not
Its a shame Monika and Paul have a loon on their middle daughters team. They are such nice people and her girls love the program. I guess she'll have to speak to Mike and Glenn again about the code of conduct policy and how the parents who do not have older sibling in the program should act. She knows who you are btw. We should see the PDA conduct policy posted on here again soon.
Teams are probably in certain divisions because of the competition, don't want to travel too much, or aren't that good.
Thanks. But in some brackets. Teams ranked 120 are facing teams in top twenty. I know the gs ranks don't count for much but they do mean something.
NJX will field a team. They can draw from Holmdel to replace players. Or a player could jump ship and head to NJX knowing a spot is open.
Njx only lost one player and as we all know one player is not the team. Any other moves made by players over winter?
I wouldn't say 1 player is not the team. A single player that is very talented could be a game changer.If a team loses that game changer a coach may have enough talent left over from the team to adjust the formation to accommodate the missing talent. Either way players can rise or step up and you never know 2 years from now how the landscape will change.
At 11-12. No one player is a team unless you are talking travel or town level where one fast forward makes a difference. At academy and club level, you need more than one player. Dare I say at least 6 on field to play that level to compete. No one player is a team
Going to wildcats u13 team, this player had to be top 3. That will make a difference on this team.
@513 I do not know which player it is, but you state had to be top 3, so there are at least two others who can play according to your reasoning. Dare i suggest there may be a few more?
You certainly seem to know a lot about NJX, even knowing where the player who left went to play for. What an interesting life you must live.
or the poster is the one with the traveling kid
Good luck to the girl that went to u13 wildcats. I hope she is ready for much craziness and criticism.
Reading through this blog over past two years, I would have to say NJX brings everything on themselves. What gets really low is when you start talking about the people that leave the team and now they are bad people. What about when you guys up and left Middletown? Leaving half a team because you thought you were better than the ones you left behind? Looking back, you should have stayed, you were a better team at u10.
If I was a parent looking to move my daughter this coming summer for the next Fall season which teams do many of you think have upside outside of the PDA's and MatchFit's clubs.
@ 10:57 amWhat area do you live in? Is soccer your daughter's only focus? How many days is she willing to train and are you willing to take her as a parent?
Some FACTS for 8:33 am, who clearly knows nothing of what she speaks:Show where anyone spoke poorly of the player or the players family who left? Hasnt happened even once. The comment someone made about her being ready for criticism I'm sure is about her new coach, who is a well known yeller. Just look at the u13 Blogs, The Wildcats are a major topic.Next, you claim "half the team was left behind". Every single player left from Middletown together to play for NJX. Not one single player did not make the move. Not a single player was cut at that time, and no one form the original group at u8 has been cut to this day. You talk out of your behind with not a stitch of knowledge. I know you're not adult enough to admit when you are proven wrong, so do us all a favor and just crawl back in your hole.
1:02: I think 8:33 said "half a team" not "half the team". So 8:33 was accurate.
Looks like EDP flights have changed - thoughts?
How funny, shore is playing far far away in North, and a few little additions. The geographic monikers seem to matter very little
Nice to see Rage Renegades playing 11v11.
I must say I agree with the comment about half the team. Every girl that was on the team went to NJX with us. As for the girl that left we all wished her luck. Please get your facts straight before you write on here. It's not like we don't know whose writing on here.
half A team is 100% accurate. half THE team is not. Facts are facts
So Middletown has 3 teams1 Team leaves1/2 a team is leftMust be new math. "Fact" disproved. Your daughter was on one of the three teams (we know which one since you identified yourself), so aim your bitterness at her former coach or the other coach. Its been several years and your still gnashing your teeth in anger and complaining to everyone in town how little Sally was wronged. You bad mouth the coaches, spoke poorly of players on the team who you were certain little Sally was better then. Yet somehow the team who went to NJX was supposed to turn down what they felt then and still feel certain was a better opportunity for kids who were never on their roster, and whose parents were malcontents? Ridiculous. Its travel soccer, not every kid makes the team. Move on already. And stop coming to tryouts if you hate the team so much.And you still havent shown proof of the Sol parents bashing the player who left. Never happened. The girls are all still friends, parents are friends, and we all wish her well. You...not so much.
Does anybody know any good overnight soccer camps in the summer? Seems like lots of colleges have camps. Would probably be a good experience for the girls if a few friends go together, right? Anybody know any good ones?
Red bulls runs a girls only camp that's good. Four days at peddie school usually, it requires a tryout. Rutgers runs two different overnight girls camps. All pda coaches so the board will jump on it and say its a joke. Lol. Truthfully, the training was good but the overnights were boring and the food was blah. In the Berkshires there is a nice overnight girls camp with good training and fun for girls as well.
1:02pm -The person who is mocking the wc coach on this blog is a real fool (we know who you are). Are you jealous because he got his team to be #1 in the nation? He is an effective coach and you have NO right to berate him because of your insecurities. Your daughter will never make it with him as a coach. So take your baby back to rec soccer and crawl back in your hole!
Is it ok to complement a player or coach on this board? Does that ever happen?
Nope! It's all about jealousy. Very sad. I do have to say if the WC coach had any common courtesy he would have told the parents of the girl that left NJX to finish out the spring season. Again that's the right thing to do.
Somebody from Middletown is getting a lot of blame for njx comments. I make some that he or she is getting blamed for, I just can't stand the blog comments from them over the past few years, so I make comments to see the response. I could give you a hint of what team my daughter plays for, but not yet. As for the girl that left for spring, congrats, huge step up and take it when you can. Tons of people leave at this time. Can't wait to play you guys against and watch the frantic sideline pacing - the stress makes me laugh watching you.
Pal if that's what gets you excited I feel bad for you!
First of all, I'm not your pal. And who calls someone pal? Why are you on this blog? You have no issues? Not that you have anything to do with NJX, but when people talk a big game and then crash and burn, human nature eats it up... Have you ever played against them? Or are you a troller from an older blog? funny to watch the parents run up and down the sideline - you would know if you daughter played this age group.
They are 11 year old girls.. Run with them. Life's too short..
When do the draws for the pda spring kickoff tournament get posted?
does anyone know when the state futsal schedule is posted?
1:02 said "Not a single player was cut at that time, and no one form the original group at u8 has been cut to this day."Is this why a MF coach has taken over at NJX?
Best thing that could happen to NJX. Especially for those that want to play at a higher level.
How come NJX is getting a new coach? Didn't they already have a top coach?Don't you think if the new NJX coach wants a top-flight competitive team, he/she will have to hold open tryouts? Then Holmdel will have a first team (NJX) and a second team playing as a Holmdel "town" club. All the girls will still have a place to play. And I think Holmdel has a u12 girls team in the top flight in MOSA, so they're not too shabby.
NJX has a MFA coach now. He's looking for a few new girls. All is good.
Why? Thought someone said only one player left.
Was the NJX "top coach" cut?
NJX coach was not cut. Please only post if you have the facts.
All you MF hopefuls be careful what you wish for...this is what is trending on the older blog, "MF npl, players quit yes and players that are still there don't want to be. Didn't want to jump ship mid year. Players are also playing for the ecnl team and the npl team. Lots of anomosity. Bad bad situation. Good thing they have 4 teams to pull from. Soon it will be down to 2 teams all up north. Complete opposite of what was promised." Good luck with this organization...seems its losing players and reputation! So sad!
@ 10:28 Why wouldn't it be okay to play NPL and ECNL games? PDA does the same thing with their top players. More soccer is better for the girls who want it. Nothing wrong with that. The only parents that will come on here talking bad about the top academies in NJ are the parents of the girls who are not the top few players of their teams. period.
Wutta ya think...Maximus Back2Back NJ Indoor state cups?
Funny Post - Indoor State Cup! That's a riot for a team still playing 8v8.
Indoor State Cup is practice, warm uo for spring, its not a ranked event.
The upcoming Futsal Tournaments carry more weight than Indoor Cup.
Futsal doesn't carry weight either. It is useful only to work on footwork and quickness. Spring counts.
State Indoor Cup is a joke Mr G Maximus - only like 6 teams even play in it. Whatever floats your boat. See what happens when you go large sided. All about rankings, points and recruiting for a rogue team.
State Indoor is good warm up as long as quality teams participate similar to any winter league. It all comes down to who enters tournament and league games. Same goes for futsal. There is always benefit playing quality teams.To move into spring the US Club Sanctioned State Cup will be interesting. Surprise's me that so many town level teams enter it.
Pest Control NJ Pest Control Bergen NJ Pest Management Services New Jersey. New Day Pest Control offers pest control, pest management, pest removal, pest extermination, and other pest control services NJ pest control nj
I hear most are loving the new MF coach. Some parents although are worried there kids won't make it with MF. Unfortunately that's soccer . Now some parents on NJX will realize that there kids are not all that.
So true! My daughters team plays them and there are a few. You got a mixture over there. Some don't pass,one girls I noticed yells at her teammates and never looks up. There defense does well and there's a very good outside mid. She sees the field well and should really think about moving on. Just my opinion.
@3:18 HAHAHA..only one who is a joke is yourself. I knew that would get your panties in a bunch that's why I wrote it...Calling 11 and 12 yr old girls playing a sport they love to get better in a tournament is a joke. haha...only joke here is you
@8:20 - The 3:18 post He was referring to the Indoor State Cup as a joke not the girls themselves. Please take your sensitivity down a little bit. As for NJX/MF posts. Glad to hear the team is staying together and change is mostly good especially truly talented girls on that team want to continue playing at a high level the next several years.
@10:29 ...all goes hand in hand. It's funny, if your club doesn't play in a tounry it's a joke I guess. I even see PDA in some age groups in the indoor cup. Kids playing competitive soccer- that my friend isn't a joke.
What happened to NJX's coach? Did she quit?
My daughter showed this to me. We haven't played against her or her team but would love to get the chance:www.youtube.com/channel/UCaXAIe5Au_YA6sZQCiN-EFg
NJX coach did not quit. She had told her team that it was hard to manage with her HS teams schedule. She did not leave them high and dry. She was willing to work it out until they found someone which they did.
"Is this why a MF coach has taken over at NJX?Was the NJX "top coach" cut?What happened to NJX's coach? Did she quit?"Do you want her phone number? She's a lot older than the girls you usually obsess about. She's probably too old for your taste. Shes older than 13.
Wonder why I haven't been on this board in over a month....figured I'd check in but see 12 yr old girls being trash talked about....sad
Very sad how everyone can hide behind this blog. These are 11 and 12 year old girls. Why attack children who aren't able to defend themselves. You must be a weak and feeble individual. BTW if you have a pair go up to the dad and introduce yourself to him. I"m sure he would love to meet you. Sit back and think how you are trying to to rip apart little girls. BIG MAN
Well said 9:29! Talking big on the blogs, then sitting meekly on the sidelines. Go up to the parents you have an issue with and tell them to their faces. Trolls.
So you are supportive of a sideline confrontation? Oh yeah. That is just what these kids need to see. We have played NJX. I know what dad you are talking about. I would feel bad for the girl who has been on 5 teams. Daddy never happy.
There is no such player on the team. Nice try troll.
What is very funny that no one is even talking about is how next session (fall) all these teams will be completely different. The soccer Federation is forcing US Club to switch to Calendar year teams starting in September. That would mean either your teams will have to split up or play a year up. Going to be a lot of moving going on so enjoy the last season together
Let's get back on track here people, the blog is supposed to be used to communicate and share thoughts of the never ending changes in the soccer landscape. On that Note: Can someone that has been through college recruitment and experience explain how a Freshman can Commit so early. I know signing is not done until Jr./Sr. year but I just saw a Freshman expected Grad-2018 commit to NC and is published.
1:04pm. Do you have a website link to that information?
It's mostly talk right now probably wont happen until our U12 girls hit U14/15. This would take a great deal of changing throughout the U.S. plus many teams can revert back is stay U.S. Youth carded. If ECNL was smart they would do it by grade vs. calendar year so it aligns itself with recruiting. Link:GIRLS DA announced.Birth Year programming.http://equalizersoccer.com/2015/01/30/uswnt-youth-development-plans-academy-residency-ncaa-nwsl-training/#disqus_thread
The person with all the info abou tNJX must be pretty close to the team more than just playing them once or twice a year. As far as a confrontation in front of children I agree not a good thing but calling out 12 yr old girls. Classless!!!!!!!!!!!
I've personally never understood the argument for birth year. I would be shocked if USSF mandated this for at least 4-5 more years time (if ever). The aim for the vast majority of players who are playing at even the highest level is college. So playing per grade with everyone graduating the same year makes far more sense.The very few who are good enough to play for the National team are spotted early enough and taken to camps with other similar players. They are usually part of 1 of the best teams in their state and get the chance to train with the older teams in their club etc. So the need to change the whole system to benefit the 0.005% of players seems ludicrous.I like this topic though for a discussion. Thoughts anyone?
@1:08 regarding verbal commit. If you go on campus to visit coaches, they can make you an offer. Generally anyone who commits frosh or soph year is a full ride. It is only verbal and holds more weight for the school than it does for the athlete. If a school gets a rep for making verbals and changing their mind, it will hurt them with other recruits. It can be a risk if the coaching staff gets fired, so you should definitely have a second school just in case. FYI my daughter committed as a soph to RU and it has worked out just great.
I though the boys side and the europeans use two year age groupings. In my somewhat limited experience, this would be great. Whether birth year or school year, one year is too narrow a window to accommodate the rage of abilities and speed of development in a group of kids. In any case, the age cut off is arbitrary wherever it is set. the stronger players can always play up if they need to.
Feb 5-3:38pm - sjeb U12 definitely has it together as a team. This just goes to show that a team of this caliber can pass with precision and have excellent field vision and playing tactics. If your u12 team is just a kick and run team, with too many ball hogs, no passing skills and no field vision it will be very difficult to compete with the elite U12 teams. If your daughter is a good player it's time to move on, she will NEVER develop from a team that kicks and runs. Some coaches/team managers are selling the idea U12 girls cannot learn tactics and passing technics at this age; sjeb is there! It’s called poor coaching and training! The longer your daughter plays on a kick and run team, the longer it will take for her to learn how to play REAL soccer! And it may be too late for her. The U12 teams for 2015 are getting more sophisticated then some may think. It’s also important to have your daughter in a competitive environment that will teach her tactics and passing techniques. Ultimately, to have a great team like sjeb the team MUST bring in great talent and cut low level players that cannot contribute to the success of the team. If you want to compete competitively the PLAY-DATE is over!
2;56The aim for ussf is to identify players in accordance with the age groupings as it is done around the world.The USSF could care less about college. In fact as per the article college is more of a hindrance than a benefit for those players.The USSF is also over-run with politics. would it surprise you that very Daddy coach sends their daughters to these training centers no matter the level of talent,Talent is not necessarily spotted early. on girls side, around 14-16 is when you can start to see the elite player.Just because your daughter is an elite player at 12, does not mean she will be an elite player at 15.
11:52 I disagree with you. You can tell who is athletic at a young age. If at 12 child is not athletic the chances of her becoming athletic is slim. Yes, being an elite player at 12 would most likely be an elite player at age 14. You can't teach athleticism and speed. It comes natural and you can see it at a young age. You are miss informed.
Natural ability is only one piece of the puzzle. Discipline, motivation, work ethic, interest level, and a players mental game are all important to success at a high level in sports. A player can have good instruction, good competition, etc. but no one can learn to play the game well for them. They can only do that for themselves.
Age cut offs would not have any effect on a truly elite player. They are likely playing up out of their age group anyway.
3:11.11;52 here.my dog is a great athlete but she will never be a great soccer player.I think you are concentrating too much on athleticism.You incorrectly compare an athletic player to un athletic player and that is your measure as to whether or not you can identify talent. This is too simplistic and it is what parents do all the time. The adage of watching a fast girl with a big kick out run other players on the pitch or someone who tackles hard and runs down a player must be a great soccer player -right?In order to make it a bit clearer- let us compare the athletically gifted to the athletically gifted.Now tell me - how would you determine who will be the elite player and who is just a fast tough girl on the pitch.There are two qualities that will help you determine when looking at both athletic players1 )IQ on and especially off the ball. A well trained eye can spot this but usually it manifest itself at around 13-15 of age.2)Touch and composure under pressure.Does the player simply run with the ball and take space when she can or does the player see other options- more advanced options and finally does the player change the rhythm of the game just by slowing up the pace in a frantic game when two elite teams are going at each other.Never confuse athleticism with being an elite player and never only compare athletic players vs non athletic players in determining a players value.You'll find I am not misinformed and am not your average parent.Soccer Nut
Soccer nut, would you care to comment on the clubs in north jersey. Say from pda north location to all the way up north, say as far as world class location. Also sorry if repeat , so much information on here , your feelings on ecnl vs npl/edp. Much appreciated. Yours is a reasoned coherent voice in the chaos.
Perhaps I can help you with a more specific question as I am loathed to compare clubs and leagues. This usually starts a blog frenzy as parents rightfully jump to defend the economic descision they have made for their children.Also my opinion is just that, It would be based on how I would spend my dollars for the welfare of my kids.Soccer Nut
Jersey has a unique structure with so many different tournaments and teams. A majority of these teams have inflated GotSoccer points. Is this good or bad? It's neither. Just an indicator that they have had some 'success' along the way.Should success be measured by wins and GotSoccer points? Absolutely not. Every coach will stress development, but whether or not that is actually happening is up to the parent/player to figure out.PDA Galaxy is probably the top of the food chain in NJ. After that, SJEB and RUSH Wildcats are right up there. Holmdel and PDA Nova are nice teams. RAGE Renegades and SDFC have been playing 8v8, so have to see how they adjust and if they have the depth to succeed at 11v11.Player movement will be fast and furious at these ages. Some will be tempted by PDA/ECNL, but there will be those players who aren't getting enough minutes at PDA that will go to another club to get more opportunities.Players from Philly and NY may wind up on PDA teams. And vice versa. Jersey girls looking for ECNL experience that cannot crack the PDA Galaxy squad will find equal opportunity at either FC Bucks, CFC ,or Penn Fusion in PA East. All depends on location, driving time, and expectations.Sadly enough, much will change two years down the road. And when looking back, there will be regrets of would of, could of, should of.For me, #1 factor is not wins/ECNL/scholarship. It's that my child enjoys the game. When you have like minded players, like minded parents, and a coach that can harness that and teach them possession soccer, then you can succeed and bypass very good teams that are a collection of indiviudal talent.Very sad to hear that SJEB girls are trying out at ECNL clubs. If there was one club that I though could succeed outside of ECNL, I thought it might be them.
Soccer nut talk to any veteran soccer coach with more than 30 years of experience who has seen players develop into elite soccer players will tell you that, "players are athletes first and then they can explode into an elite soccer player". The beauty of soccer is that it’s a complex game where the possibilities are endless. Your proficiency in soccer not only depends on your skills on the soccer ball, but also on your ability to read the game, make quick decisions, and communicate with your teammates. No matter how crisp your dribbling, shooting, and passing skills may be, it’s all useless without an understanding of strategy - knowing where to pass the ball, when to dribble, and just a general understanding of the game.
@7:43am - SDFC has been playing 11v11 and Rage will be playing 11v11come spring based on the posted league brackets. Curious how you know the details that players from SJEB are trying out for ECNL teams? You must have inside info. How about PDA shore I hear it's not working well in Tom's River.
@7:46It sounds like S nut is assuming the athletic part is a given but how do you separate from there.Parents seem to justify little susie's soccer prowess on the pitch by comparing an athlete vs a non athlete.He wants you to compare the athlete to the athlete.
to Soccer Nut at 9:30 - right now it's not about economics. Kid playing at higher level local club now for 3x fall/spring, 2x winter, tournaments in summer as well etc, so cost is already approaching or equal to other clubs (just no travel outside of NJ yet).it's time to leave, but don't want to make the wrong decision. PDA seems like too much - I could be wrong - no expectations about playing in college, would be nice but not a must as academics are #1 priority...but would consider. Would only make the B team if at all. That leaves for us geographically STA TSF SDFC. WC and Crush are really too far to manage. Looking for good coaching, good teammates, good playing time. Help a clueless parent out :), thanks!
@12: 10I am not sure what you mean by higher level local club. Perhaps you mean an A flighted Morris county or Bergen County team.If your desire is for your child to have fun and learn the game correctly, including technical work, then you need to look at the coach and not the club.I would look at Coach, teammates and the professional environment created by that specific team.My answer will surprise you for this age group because the team at u12 is a solid A but the club is a C plus.But the secret is out for parents that do their homework. My understanding is that pre-ECNL starters train with this coach during the winter sessions.Do you have an Idea of which team i am talking about?Soccer NutIt is the coach and group of girls assembled that make this team a Jewel.If you change the coach then I would change my mind about the team
Coach is always very important factor. Finding a teacher that is the right match for a kid is the key to inspired learning for many skills.
Soccer nut, I wish I had a clue which club or team you were referring to , but remember , I am clueless parent ! Can you say ? Please :) By higher level town, yes Morris co first flight /jags. Thx again. Ps I get what you are saying about the coach being the biggest factor, but often they leave or move to diff age. Then what ? Shouldn't the overall club have some bearing ?
So posters are saying its easier to teach foot skills at older ages than athleticism? What in the heck have I been paying for all these years?
@3:38Yes, there is some truth to that -As good solid clubs CAN have a certain level of coach. If the coach leaves, another can move in and you would at least (you hope) have a minimum standard of coaching.I personally have made it a point to choose the coach, like i choose my doctors, I don't choose the practice but the specific physician in the practice.)I acknowledge that others may think differently. So for me choosing a club at this age just because you have more of a chance to get at least an average standard is just not good enough.I want the best I can find for my daughter.- But yes, you always run the risk of the coach leaving. In my situation it has been pretty long term and when there was an occasion to leave, we simply followed the coach. This may be different from the showcasing years. Depending on what club your daughter plays forThe specific physician I would choose at this age group in the North wouldAviv . You can look up his team as they are in top ten on Got Soccer( which of course, the ranking has no bearing in my recommendation)Soccer NutPS.Depending on the level of your daughter, there are others that I would recommend:Tom @STALarry @PDAare good solid choicesBut Aviv may be what you are looking for
Aviv coaches a team where his star player already plays for another team. He is good but she was developed by someone else. Also, is it that easy to get on his team? Aren't there other options apart from the top three teams that someone can go to? Because your choices seem unlikely for a player coming up from town.
Thanks soccer nut . To be honest that's geographically difficult. Some might say that we aren't dedicated then but the constraints of our lives do factor and I'm being honest. I guess to make my question more specific, geographically possible for us besides pda are sta tsf sdfc. That's about it unless there is something I don't know about. Thoughts welcome, thank you.
8:39pm. You have listed the only teams in Northern NJ worth considering. I have also heard good things about Tom @STA and Larry @PDA.My suggestion if you are truly interested in finding a good coach is to reach out to the teams and try and train with them, it might give you a good indication as to what the coaching is actually like. Attending tryouts at all these teams won't show you what the coaching is like, it will just give you a glimpse of the quality of players in attendance.
8;28A good talented player coming up from town has a chance to make any of these teams.Especially a team that is going from 8vs 8 to 11 v11But of course it depends on the player.If you are looking for a "bridge team" with good technical coach then I would consider a gentlemen at the stallions named Danny.This team is not of the quality but has a good solid technical coach and the coach is truly trying to teach the game of soccer.8;39You seem close to STA and that would seem like a no brainer but i assume you either don't like the team or you may be having some doubts as to whether or not your daughter may make this team?Soccer Nut.If i would choose the order of teams that I would look at for my daughter assuming she did not want to play in college but wanted to play in high school then i would choose the following in this order.AVIVTomDanny.
Also please note that Me not mentioning anything about TSF or SDFC has very little to with whether or not I dislike the organization. My choices always have to do with the best coaches and never the organization.Good Luck to youSoccer Nut
Danny @ stallions a screamer that I wouldn't recommend. Good foot skils, but that's about all.
Aviv a decent trainer from what I've heard at Max, but players rotate in and out of there....heard only like 3 still there from 2 yrs ago......not sure the reason besides a couple obvious ones.
lots of north talk, for those of you in the south looking for a true viable option in our neck of the woods, coach John from the Nova currently has over 15 girls playing Division 1 soccer. An impressive number by anyone's standards.
As you can see not very many coaching options in Northern New Jersey but those four seemed to be pretty decent choices considering what you have to deal with
@February 9, 2015 at 3:14 PM"Coach is always very important factor. Finding a teacher that is the right match for a kid is the key to inspired learning for many skills."COULDN'T AGREE MORE!! FINALLY FOUND THAT OUT. HOPE IT'S NOT TO LATE.
Looks like FC Rage Renegades are playing-up (u13) this weekend in Wildwood. I have to say that I think its a huge mistake. This is not the type of tournament that you just play-up because you are a very good u12 team, as you will see. The teams you are going to be playing against, are tough, skilled, and all business.
While the coach is absolutely an important ingredient to reaching full potential, it is my opinion that we should not dismiss the quality of the players around them during training.While a coach can help a player with their individual skills, they need quality players around them to better understand positioning, tactics, marking, etc. Otherwise, it may be that much harder to finally 'fit' into another team when you find one.
Soccer Nut, I must have missed it from previous comments. Do you have a daughter in this age group?
@12:23. There are few teams that are 12 playing up U13 in Wildwood. Futsal is totally different game then outdoors, game is very technically driven. The U12 teams will be fine playing U13. ~Futsal Nut
@February 10, 2015 at 12:26 PM TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID AS WELL. FROM NOW ON MOVING FORWARD, I'M FOCUSING ON MY DAUGHTER AND NOT WHAT OTHER COACHES AND/OR PARENTS TRY AND CONVINCE ME TO DO WITH MY CHILD. I HAVE TO PLACE HER IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS BEST FOR HER DEVELOPMENT AND WHERE SHE IS IN AN ENVIRONMENT WITH OTHERS LIKE HER.
FN,Indeed, it should be technically drive, I agree. But having been there, I can tell you that although the officials are really good, and call it by the book, some teams take advantage of their size, in futsal you get 5 fouls until you get a free-kick, and the really futsal teams use that perfectly. Not to say that they are not quick and creative, its just life. TBH: its not you or me out there, its your kid, and my kid. Please explain what is to be gained by playing-up in such a competitive event? Why not play at age, and improve your chances of placing, or winning?
Sounds like soccer nut has a daughter playing in this age group and has experience with at least 5 teams. And she is only 11. Not sure I want his advice.
fyi, u12 and u13 schedules are the same teams just listed under both age groups
1:28Do you have any coaches to add to the list?
Yes the Wildwood Futsal Tournament does not allow two of the same team in each age bracket. So they place teams in upper age level to accommodate. Remember that's the business side and it's $$$ to the tournament.
Does anyone know the academy pricing for done if the soccer academies in NJ. Trying to get a "fee compare" and determine what the monthy fees cover. PDA / MatchFit / NJ Wildcats. As a parent this would be valuable information in helping determine a possible academy for a player. Seeking U12-U15 Girl pricing
Does anyone know the academy pricing for done if the soccer academies in NJ. Trying to get a "fee compare" and determine what the monthy fees cover. PDA / MatchFit / NJ Wildcats. As a parent this would be valuable information in helping determine a possible academy for a player. Seeking U12-U15 Girl pricing
8:41 Most Academy's can range from 2000-3000 as a base. There are extra cost's with additional tournaments not within the budget or winter futsal or indoor. Remember there is a business side for everything in youth sports. There has been occasion where playing for free based on there talent level and the coach's offset it with increasing overall budget or picking up an extra player to offset that free player.
After smoking 3-4 players with her wicked ball skills, my daughters ponytail starts getting in her eyes and blocking her vision. It makes beating that 5th player difficult. Any suggestions?
Make sure to make a you tube video of her for college coaches at 12 years old.
Instead of smoking 3 or 4 players perhaps your daughter should use her wicked skills to pass to one of her wicked teammates or lift her head from staring at the court and that way her pony tail would be behind her and not in her eyes! Just sayin...
11:44 cut her hair shorter
Bald beats skills everday
Whoever is writing that about smoking 3 or 4 players is not being serious. Goodness.
Soccer Nut is a team funding parent that has a vested interest in his trainer and team for the benefit of his daughter. Burned through so many players that needs this board to recruit enough good players to go 11v11. Guessing by reading his opinions has not developed anyone past U12 to have any credibilitly. Soccer Nut - your comments and opinions about athleticism and speed are a bit off. Obviously proves your lack of experience. Having developed players into college and beyond, skills can be taught, but athleticism can not. Take Rebecca Jarrett for example. Athletic and fast, invited to national team tryouts. Plenty of girls with more technical skill then her around but her potential is greater. Top trainers and coaches identify that. I am guessing you are defending your investment to try and develop either your own daughter or other young girls that have mediocre athleticism and speed. I am sure you are somewhat knowledgable and most likely doing a great thing for a bunch of girls that love the game and that should be commended. Hence Soccer Nut. However you should limit your opinion to what you know. All players must be developed, and it is possible to help kids reach their maximum potential, but great players have to be great athletes.
8 v 8 State Cup brackets. Should be a tough road to the Quarterfinals. For most it simply meant registering:http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=457048&tclass=Girls%20U12%208v8
are the 11v11 brackets out yet?
Congrats to Maximus U12G - NJ Indoor State Cup Champs! Back2Back
11:33I believe you have me confused with someone else.You sound like a knowledgeable parent with a grudge of some sort.I mentioned 4 trainers to be specific- not just one.As far as my knowledge of the game and my affiliation- you assume way too much.And you should never mention a child's name on this Blog.Also as most parents do. You seem to always frame your argument around the exception to every rule.The girl you mentioned is not just a good athlete playing soccer, She is a great athlete that has trained technically for many years and was past over many times in the ID process during her younger years.The more technical players were ID first.( All those girls that were not as athletic) but still athletes in their own right.She finally got her chance and she made the most of it.Good for her!Don't ever point to the exception to frame your argument- Please stick to comparing the very good athletes with the very good athletes and then compare them technically. You would be a lot more truthful to the parents on this blog as they would then assume if equal in above average athletic ability, what else will I need to go to the next level.Soccer Nut.
SDFC didnt win Indoor State Cup? At least we won't have to listen to them on the blog.
state cup brackets are up:http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=457048
Wasn't there a blogger on here last year swearing that nearly all NJ teams were going 8v8 or the state league was requiring all teams to go 8v8 for this year? What happened? That 8v8 bracket is a joke.
I wonder if the 8v8 teams will automatically get GS points again for playing in bracket where there are not enough teams to play a preliminary round?
Yes, because 12 yr olds developing and getting more touches is a joke. It's funny....when people mention 8v8 I hear joke, etc. But why? Back it up with opinions
I don't think anyone said 8v8 is a joke. Having a "State Cup" where just entering means you make the "quarterfinals" and racking up GS points for winning 2 games against questionable teams is a joke.
I agree. But how else can it be done?It's only for 1 yr in this transition period at U12 where some tms are playing 8v8 and some 11v11. But there has been plenty of times on this board where 8v8 gets bashed.
For so few teams playing 8v8, there should probably not be a bracket at all. Just signing up and making it to qtr finals is silly and detracts from the tourny - a qtr finalist in 11v11 has to actually work to make it there. To late now but I think there should be a minimum # participating to allow for a bracket to be formed. There's no way points or any other significance should be assigned when you get to the qtrs just by entering.
For current U11s next year there is a movement to keep them at 8v8. Not a done deal, but most of the feeder leagues will be 8v8 at U12 next year. They are looking at a larger field for 8v8 at U11/U12. PDA is already at 11v11, but how it takes will depend on what the other clubs do. One trend you will see is clubs fielding larger teams and playing both.
I firmly do not believe in staying 8v8 at U12. Makes no sense to be playing on 8v8 fields for 4 years U8-U12. The feeder leagues only want to stay 8v8 to help coaches retain teams/players so they don't lose them to one of the top level programs like PDA or for $$$ two 8v8teams will bring more revenue vs. one 11v11 team. Touches, technical, decision making process occurs in practice that's where the value is. Starting at U12 they need to start learning 11v11 formations & tactics to prepare them for high school, in which probably 99% of the girls on U12 teams will be playing at U14/15. 2years @U12/U13 playing 11v11 will help prepare them for high school and eventually other high level games in ECNL/NPL leagues. If these so called feeder leagues move to 8v8 at U12 that leaves only 1 full year of 11v11 @U13 before any of the girls below the current U12 group hit U14/highschool/ECNL/NPL Leagues.
FYI....Max U12 girls won the U13 cup as well....
FC Maximus poster who cares about indoor Cup U12 or U13. Like someone posted before the Regional futsal Tournament in Wildwood had a lot more value and had talented players/teams from up and down the region.
Stop hating....start crying
Then come to the big leagues and play 11v11 in state cup and league play then we'll see who will be crying and hearing everyone else laugh.
So the big league is U-12, 11 V 11 girls soccer? This is sad. They are kids, let them play, if they are good enough they will advance.
Exactly....this guy is a CLOWN!
The feeder leagues don't care about losing teams and players. Love the experts here. Playing small sided as long as possible is universally accepted internationally and US Soccer is moving that way as well.
US Women's soccer has been successful the past decade and half, it's the men's side that has struggled. The current WMNT players have played 11v11 probably since they were 12 years old and the WMNT has been doing fine the past 15+ years. Don't change it if it's not broke. Yes I see the world is catching up but that's because the world is getting more involved that's normal when countries determine they want to more athletes involved in certain sports same has happened in the basketball over the past 2 decades and technology. How come they do not change the size of a football field, or hockey rink, or basketball court. We can't follow what the world has been doing. I think more quality training and continuing education of coaches from all levels youth to college will be more important than worrying about 8v8 field size at U12. Don't you think if teams practice more in a quality environment it will benefit kids more than games?
^^^^^No words. Incredible ignorance!
Ignorance Please! Okay why has PDA teams been so successful it's not because they stay 8v8 it's because of the quality of training they provide, and the amount of talent across the board on each team where players are challenging each other day in and day out. They are a name brand in the soccer world now. Even there top U11 team is playing 11v11. Games are just a benefit on weekend to make parents happy there kids are on a on winning team. It's the training and practices that add value to a child's development and majority of PDA's coaches have a lot of qualifications to proceed them.
The powers that be are trying to change the youth system in the US. It is broken.Clubs like PDA do very little to develop the creative talented player, they produce robots for the most part that play within the team frame work.The extremely talented player that plays for PDA gets their training at other venues as well and use PDA as a team base. nothing more.PDA's training sessions are small sided as this mimics the 8vs8 system. They get kudos for that at least. Other clubs don't even bother to do this correctly.The best training environment for maximum touches is the 5 vs 5 play which creates the diamond pattern on the field and facilities shape , maximum touches , movement and support. Although PDA are highly branded, their system does very little to produce the next Marta.But is very effective in teaching the girls to pass the ball around the field.
Marta and those like her didn't come to be because they played 8v8 vs. 11v11. She didn't come about because she played 5v5. For the most part they were born of unstructured free play - in their neigborhoods, playgruonds, etc.. Not what the US is set up for at all.
@12:13 - Total agree. Marta came from passion and pure abilities. not an organized youth system. It's something that many of our kids have at such a young age but lose it when the trying to win factor of playing 8v8,11v11 games. Per the statement above continued education of coaches or parents is very beneficial. Also U.S. youth is not broke it's just not evolving with the pressure of what other countries are trying to do. Per the poster stating PDA produces robots that was ignorance and isn't passing the largest aspect in a successful player development. You have No Clue!
Post a Comment