What happened to sj barons did many players leave already?
I heard that PDA Galaxy will be ECNL and Crew NPL at u14. Can anyone confirm?
ECNL: 1 team (Mostly Galaxy Players and call ups from Crew, Nova, Shore) Players can cross play anytime and some can be called down as well. PDA North & South: NPL EastPDA Crew & Shore: NPL EDPGreat Model to dominate this age group for some time until other players start moving over to better club teams.
@122 what is Pda North if not Pda Crew. and do you mean NE NPL or NY NPL.
What 1:22 is referring to is options PDA has, I doubt they join NY NPL, They will align there teams according to where the competition is, now if NY NPL has strong teams they may put PDA Shore there or at least PDA Crew but looking at the older PDA teams it doesn't follow that trend. It mostly goes how 122 stated look at U14's.
Welcome to the machine.
Machine. lol More like Revolving Door just keep drinking your Kool-Aid in the glass cylinder while it goes into circles because that's how things have changed in the past 5 years can only get worst the next 5 years.
10:57 that is incorrect. Northeast NPL is arguably the top NPL league in the country and by far the #2 league in NJ. PDA plays it's #2 and #3 teams in that league and right now they likely can't get the PDA shore teams in. MFA if they have a good enough #3 team they play 2 teams in that league. EDP/NPL is not as good a league. It's a good league, but clearly behind the Northeast NPL.
PDA North is the #2 team out of Zarepath, at this age PDA Crew. Little complex because the Northeast NPL has an ECNL division at U13. That division is not eligible for NPL national finals.
This is clearly all quite ridiculous. I just don't understand if a top 'town' team can compete and even beat a pre-ECNL team, why wouldn't they just play against each other in league play at U14 and beyond. All this 'exclusive' membership crap is BS regarding ECNL. I think it makes parents crazy thinking that, this is where I'm supposed to have my daughter play because it's the highest competition. Really? Highest? It really can't possibly be the highest, right? That is all under US Club soccer. What about what's under US Youth Soccer and all their leagues? They also provide 'the highest' right? I'm guessing that is the way to go or supplement the highest teams that don't belong to 'ECNL' clubs.Does anyone know of any older teams that aren't 'ECNL' that have outplayed the ECNL teams?
It's a luxury brand. Some find value in it and want to buy it. Plenty do not.
It's very rare for ECNL teams to play non ECNL teams. That does happen occassionally in a tournament. The big one in November comes to mind.
It's not ridiculous it's smart by forming an exclusive group for its college recruitment process it helps as the one stop to watch and focus on players they are interested in. This saves an abundance of cost for universities. Soccer doesn't have the funding that basketball and football has, so coaches really are on a strict budget when it comes to recruiting. Its the girls side of the MLS DA.I do agree that the exclusion process should not start until u15/u16 when it really matters at u13/u14 girls are still developing and learning the game so top teams should play top teams.
Call it a luxury brand if you want, but at least you know what you are buying.All the other start up clubs are charging the same or more in many cases. Look at clubs like sta, stallions, crush, sdfc, gfa, Bulldogs - they all charge more than PDA, MF, and WC. I believe the teams in the south charge less, but everything down there is less expensive.
Some clubs charge more because some teams have players on scholars and make up the difference among the other parents that are paying. This is a way to retain top players from moving to ECNL or to another competing club team.
The high-end cubs are luxury brands and then are value options available as well. Buy what you want and can afford. This is capitalism and if there is a product or service that can be monetized it will be. Youth sports are large business with many happy (and some unhappy) customers at different price points. It is not an easy business to succeed in but what business is? ECNL looks to be a successful model for the most part.
other clubs charge more because they offer more. Manys clubs offer 3 per week all year, others are 3 in fall, 2 in winter, spring. Some offer many tournaments, others offer 1 or 2 per season maximum. If a club is gouging or charging "too much" its to the tune of a hundred or two hundred dollars per player. It probably all comes out the same if one were to provide credits for extra or fewer sessions, tournaments.
ha ha someone posted this elsewhere, it was worth the laugn"(insert) (ECNL) works for some for the top 1 or 2 kids per team. For the rest, they are satisfying their egos. Mom and dad can tell all their facebook buddies that Little Mia plays in a special league. They flew at a cost of $3000.00 to Colorado or California to play a handful of matches. School work was put on hold for these life altering critical matchups. 30 college coaches prowled the sidelines and despite the player profile brochures and cdroms unfortunately their eyes only really fell on the top 2 or 3 standouts. Later, we got a letter saying that our standardized testing results weren't high enough. How unfair!!! Here we prioritized soccer above schoolwork, family, friends, and they are telling me that my Little Mia should have spent more time studying? Are we looking for soccer studs or rocket scientists? Its impossible to study when traveling 6 hours round trip for league league games, and I need a good 45 minutes to talk to Mia and prepare her for the game, to remind her how winning is important, but personal statistics are more important. Its a heart warming conversation, one that bonds me to my daughter.When she chose her college, she did though pass on a few schools which offered her like $2300 in financial aid helping to offset the $40,000 per year in tuition. Every dollar counts. I'm a doctor and investing is not my strong suit. But i saved like $15000 in tuition over the next 4 years with those scholarship monies. I got awesome bumper stickers for my car. One says "We got D1, what you got?!" She's hoping that by her junior year she gets off the bench. Her mom cares about her grades, but she's out of her mind. Grades are short lived. Everyone says school is not important. I'm really just fine if she lives in my basement for another decade or two while she works as a soccer trainer for the local club earning $24000 per year. I love her and she loves soccer and thats all that matters. "
So I guess PDA/MF are the BMW's/Lexus of this world and NJ RUSH is Chevy. lolI guess I have my daughter in a cheap Chrysler. Come on people Luxury brand now you parents are talking insane. These clubs are all institutional programs at different prices and products.
You don't have to be ECNL to be recruited to the college ranks, as long as your team goes to showcases so you can be seen. CASL 2014 College Coach List http://soccer.sincsports.com/TTCollegeList.aspx?tid=CASL3&tab=4&sub=4&sYear=2014&Sex=FPDA NJ 2015 College Coach Listhttp://www.pdasoccer.org/tournaments/pdagirlscollegeshowcase/523293.htmlWAGS 2014 College Coach Listhttp://events.gotsport.com/events/collegecoaches.aspx?EventID=36311ECNL Sanford 2014 College Coach Listhttps://ecnl.wufoo.com/reports/scout-attendance-201415-ecnlfl-/Disney 2014 College Coach Listhttp://events.gotsport.com/events/collegecoaches.aspx?EventID=38493But if you look at WHICH college coaches are attending WHAT tournaments, you see a lot more D2, D3 and NAIA at the non-ECNL events. Just sayin'
"Different prices and products", sounds like BMW vs. Honda to me. It's all good. Both can you get you where you want to go albeit in a slightly different style.
There are over 8000 soccer clubs in the U.S. 77 of those clubs are in the ECNL - and send - what? - 50% of its players to the D1 ranks?That means the other 50% of D1 players are coming from somewhere between - A GOOD GUESS - 3000-7000 clubs that have girls soccer at the U15-U17 range. 77 vs 3000? No brainer.
What is a no brainer? your post seems to imply that D1 soccer is the undisputed prize sought by the players in these 8000 soccer clubs.
There is a limited universe of players with the money, time, talent, motivation, resilience and drive to try to compete in high level soccer. For them a high end team/club makes sense. For the players lacking one or more of those criteria, it would not be a good fit.
6:24 you are clearly drunk on koolaid. go check out how the U15 PDA teams did at State Cup this spring against local teams, then go check how u15 and U16 did at their own showcase tourney a few weeks ago playing against non ecnl clubs (playing with PDA ECNL players no less). Then go to got soccer, click on any of the PDA or MF NE NPL teams, and see how they've done over the past 12 months playing any tournies outside of their secluded league. Then please report back. :)
If a kid is a GREAT soccer player, a scout will find her/him.For those that are very good but not a 'great one', the additional exposure of an elite league can get you opportunities that otherwise would be unattainable.If you want to hunt tornadoes, probably best to start in Oklahoma.
I was going to send my daughter to join Crew or the WC. We attended Crew tryouts. After doing a little research I saw that both teams are ranked pretty high in NJ. Then when I looked to see who they were playing, I was a little confused. I get Crew is the B team but why do they play local town teams? Do all B PDA teams play only local town teams? WC was doing the same as well as playing PDA Crew. PDA and WC are claiming to be a more competitive environment and charging as such. The rosters are very big. After what I am seeing I am not so sure. PDA also said they would get the girls to play with Galaxy. Is that even possible when they already have a high number of girls on the roster? Can someone please share your thoughts on this.Not looking to bash either of these clubs just want to know what I am getting into.
429 Walk Away better yet Run Away! lol
The Crew is U12, who do you want them to play? The majority of the teams are still town based. You can only play the teams in your league and the tourneys you play in.
Face it Crew is PDA's 3rd or 4th team for now. It goes Galaxy, Nova(Getting Stronger), Shore, Crew.Next Year's possible PDA format: Pre-ECNL Team (PDA Galaxy - Call Ups and move downs from NPL North, South, Shore)NPL North(Crew) & South(Nova)EDP NPL(Shore)I hope that clarifies the possible format for PDA, but it's subject to change depending on the competition landscape of where Non-ECNL clubs join. EDP NPL has high quality teams as well like SDFC, SJEB, NJ Rush, Rage/Rush, TSF.
Aren't PDA Galaxy and Crew in the same EDP bracket so therefore playing the same teams?
@429 not sure what league you are talking about, but Crew plays the same teams as Galaxy. Also they play ECNL festivals at this age and play other ECNL clubs. These events are not on GS and closed out to outside clubs. PDA crew used to play JAGS which had a lot of town teams, but not anymore.
429, WC is a New York club, so not sure where you saw this ranking being so high in nj. All your info on crew is wrong too.They play in a 1st division edp central and are doing well, beating most other premier clubs. As for price, all these clubs charge about the same and have same roster size if they can get the players. By the way, you need to tryout for teams, you can't just put them on a team. Sounds like a like town team is more your style.
5:09 - You are wrong about PDA Crew! Go look at the EDP bracket, they are parallel to Galaxy. Where are you getting your information from? Nova not doing well in their bracket Division South. I think you are misinformed. More like Nova being the 3rd or 4th team.
Looking at edp site - PDA crew has only lost to CH in league, which in my opinion is number three in state. Can someone give PDA credit for something.I get it, everyone hates them because they are PDA, but this second team looks to be doing very well and that's cool to see.
9 posts from Crew folks. i guess we know they are trolling about.
@7:16OP said,"I was going to send my daughter to join Crew or the WC. We attended Crew tryouts."I don't see how you can assume town team is more their style? It's obvious they were asked to join both teams, or they would not be asking this question what they will be getting into. We don't even know what club they are coming from. Therefore, your town team comment is a very stupid assumption. Let me make an assumption of my own. Your from MF. The elitist club of all, with a roster of all town kids on the team who feel your above everyone else! OP I would go with PDA. Like someone said above you can only play in the B bracket. The training is far above and PDA has a proven themselves. Just my humble opinion.
If you join any ecnl b-d team, understand what you are getting into. Check out where the older ages b-d teams play, what brackets in what tournies, which scouts came to watch the PDA Fla event for the b-d teams. Then check out the top NPL teams in this Region, and fo the same research. Scouts have limited days to recruit, and they will go watch players playing against the best teams in each region. That typically is not the ecnl clubs b-d teams, although their could be a rare exception. You cannot go the records or rankings of u12 play. It completely changes by U15-U17. Top players go to whatever team can get them the best exposure. To get into the top bracket of national tournaments, your team needs to be ranked very high regionally. That's very rare for a b-d team.
Great article about ECNL's impact on USNT youth teams. If you follow the USNT youth teams U15 to U20 as much as my daughter and I do this is very interesting.http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/ecnl-era-fast-approaching-for-uswnt_aid36606?utm_source=TopDrawerSoccer+Newsletter&utm_campaign=d7c6e576f0-General_6_3_156_3_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8340315a79-d7c6e576f0-31353657
Quite interesting that as the article is applauding the ECNL, there is an article on the right side of the page with the headline "U20 WNT schooled in opening loss to Japan" a team that would have a by and large ECNL populated team.http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/college-soccer-articles/u20-wnt-loses-to-japan-in-ntc-opener_aid36611
The rest of the world is catching up to Women's soccer, just like it has in other sports. The WNT go in cycles for each age group, so each Youth Team for WNT can vary in style and play if you read the article it states a specific style was put in place for the U20's. Maybe it works maybe it doesn't but at U23 and below that's when you test the waters. It is common trend that ECNL clubs are filling up the national pool more and more but there are still alternatives like US Youth ODP and US Club ID2 programs and I'm sure they will continue to make adjustments to help feed the National Pool as well. At least there are more options now and more opportunities, and if you look at the latest camp of U15's headed to Portland their are 4 born in the year of '02 that were in invited, so that's interesting they are possibly already looking as far down as U12 players.
02 are really 13 year old age group for natl team, they go by age year. This is one reason for the change next year to age group.I'm sure 80 percent of the top girls at u12 this year are 02's and they will all be forced to move up a year starting next fall and be playing so called u14.
459 Do you mean U15 Next fall as many of u13's now will be entering U14 this fall. Where and whom will be going by Age Year next fall. That will be a big change in the landscape of every club.
The puff piece seems to be indicating that US soccer has largely abdicated its mission to identify the best youth players to the ECNL. I guess great for the ECNL but not so great for US soccer. Anyone with a child playing ECNL sees that the league is chock full of well off suburban players with little if any representation from other groups. No doubt there are some talented players, but not representative of all this county has to offer.
I think everyone in the know - knows they are going calendar year next year, starting fall season.Big changes, but most of the older u12 girls will be going to high scholl anyway.
@846 - I believe you mean this is happening at the start of the 2016 fall season, not this coming fall. And yes, have heard the same.
For those of you wondering about school year/calendar year, relax, it will most likely not affect players already in travel programs.The new rule would affect the youngest groups (U9) and follow from there.It's a process. Nobody will suffer in the current setup, unless you feel your daughter being born on July 31st is holding her back.
No one 'suffers" under either setup. It is a sport. If anyone is suffering they should find another activity. An age cut off is established. Kids play with other players in their age range. If they are very talented and need to play with more skilled players to be challenged, they play up with older, more advanced players. The new set up is identical to the old set up, they are just adjusting the date of the age cut off.
I disagree the change to calendar year will make some players look advance and some will look they are falling behind. Size, Speed, Strength carries a lot of weight over skill in real game play skill carries small margin as it can always be taught. Of course everything catches up after girls mature and balance out but at the younger ages U15 and below it's a disadvantage for many.
So based on this discussion my daughter born 02 entering 7th grade this fall playing (U13) will be playing with freshman players next fall when she is in 8th grade playing at(u15). Half the team will be missing practice session's due to playing in high school soccer. I think the current format and cutoff date works fine.
Can someone research and find a link that tells this discussion about going by year. I don't see anyone else talking about it on other blogs.
Age is only one component to ability in sports. Talent, interest, drive, intelligence, resilience, work rate are all important factors. The age range should be larger than just one year to really allow kids to be properly grouped based on ability and interest. The narrow minded focus on age is only useful if looking for an temporary and meaningless advantage to win a few youth soccer matches.
Again, this is happening and happening fall of 2016 and for our age group. Some girls will definitely be effected, mostly the 02 girls born in fall. There is no link right now, but these discussions and timelines are really happening. Is there a chance it won't? Yes, but 90 percent it will. Many other states and regions have different cut off dates for school year, so most won't be effected as much as our region. Our age probably has the worse timing for this to happen because some of the older girls will be left out of eligibility for games in fall of 2016. The clubs will have to deal and should have an answer/ solution soon for them.
Ok can you tell me what club you are from that you are hearing this because, personally discussions and possibilities should of been published this past spring prior to tryouts to give parents and opportunity to decide where to play and what team to look at both age groups u12 & u13. I think its all nonsense.
Sounds like 1211 has a early fall baby, I would be concerned too.
Well U.S. Club specifically states going calendar year make sense per there website. So eventually it will happen especially if they are posting on there site.http://www.usclubsoccer.org/about/faqs/What is the US Club Soccer registration year? To avoid confusion, especially where clubs register with both us and their state association, US Club Soccer has adopted the same registration year as other soccer organizations (August through July). Eventually, we feel utilizing the calendar year for registrations and age brackets makes sense.
My daughter is June/2003 and top half on a very good team, I welcome this change. It happened to my sons baseball team few years back. We have at least 8 of our girls that are 2002 and most have had a nice advantage with size and speed. I will miss them and the families, but look forward to the new dynamics and some change. I assume we will be called the 03 team going forward like the boys side. Our club has decent u11 team and have heard the top players are all 2003's too. They will be the bottom half going forward.
Is this being done across all clubs, even town teams? I thought this age group was not effected??
teams are extremely top loaded, so there will not be as much disruption as people believe. In actuality the kids born in the latter year will be more disrupted as they will be separated from the majority of their teammates. To correct an earlier misrepresentation, 95% of the country has school cutoffs on 8/1, 9/1, or 10/1. This will end classmates playing together and will cause clubs to reconfigure teams by grade as well as age.
10:17 your daughter won't skip a year. She will move to U14 and the 03's will repeat U13.
OMG.. There is plenty in life to stress about. Youth sports age cut-offs is not one of them.
10:39 on behalf of myself and the rest of the posters I would like to aplogize for talking about youth sports topics on a youth sports blog. Please tell us what we should be talking about.
Ok. Have at it. Just very uninteresting. The cut off will be put somewhere and it is arbitrary. Make it April 1st or November 17th. It does not matter.Maybe they will play with class mates. Maybe they will meet kids in other grades. All good.
So what will the late '02's do in the fall of their 8th grade year when half their team is playing high school?
7:03 - Exactly why changing this is a problem.The cutoff is arbitrary - no matter where you make it, theres some that will be the oldest in the group and some will be younger.Changing it doesn't remedy that issue - it just shifts it. Because of where school grade cutoffs are, this shouldn't change - otherwise you strand kids like 7:03 points out. I know some will argue they can just go join another team - but why cause that to happen in the first place? Keep the alignment close to the school grade age cutoffs.
7:18am. The further issue is when the kids are at college recruitment age that a coach will go along and watch the 02s as say, "Sophomores" and maybe half the team are still Freshman as they were born in late 02. With the current system i'd say 99% of players at U15 and above play with their grade meaning that a coach can watch a team, happy in the knowledge that every player is within the class year they are looking at. Switching the paradigm to birth year now makes the recruiting process that even more difficult for our kids to get seen if half the team is one grade and the other is the grade below.Pointless to change the system based on the reason US Soccer is using.
1035 your incorrect if they change to calendar year it would follow ODP and other calendar year programs like boys academy. So in the fall of 2016 03's would go U14 and 02's U15. Look it up for the boys and ODP. By U15 most of the girls have already matured and are almost done with there growth spurts and all level out. So they all eventually want to play on teams that have girls in the same grade anyway. So no need to worry about the year change or not all of you that have a daughter still playing by then 2 will be searching or staying with your team based on your daughter's grade anyway.
How does the PDA U-11 Lyon team stack up against the U-12 PDA teams? Just wondering since the U-11 team plays up.
Lots of good arguments all around, but it is changing.and nothing we can do.Bottom line it is for the top 2 percent and to keep up with natl team age group and boys side.Many other sports have made same changes - I don't get it.
Remember it's youth soccer like 10:42 stated at u15 if they are still playing. It's a known fact a little less than half of your daughter's teammates or your own daughter may not be playing anymore by then. So stop worrying and let them enjoy. To change to topic can anyone provide me a what they think the list of teams by each NPL league - NY, EDP, & North East. Curious of the teams in each and which will be the strongest.
@1046. PDA Lyon is a lot of 2003 birthdays so players are very close to the players in the u12 bracket
Sorry not gonna happen to many leagues pushing back plus tournament layouts will need to change as well since majority of tournaments accept US Club and US Youth carding. It will be a total nightmare to organizing and seeding.
I remember reading this in the NY times last year on the train. Amazing that this is happening already and look what league she plays in. Does anyone have a girl on there team that has this possibility. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/27/sports/committing-to-play-for-a-college-then-starting-9th-grade.html
How is that allowed under NCAA rules?
Verbal offer. Neither school or kid is committed.
NCAA should crack down on this. Coaches are not supposed to be talking to players this young.
It's crazy for a player to commit to attending a college 4 years in the future. So much can change.
Many of the good players commit verbally commit after sophomore year. This is a risk more towards the college's that do this.
I know a girl who gave an early verbal to UNC. She tore her ACL in her junior year of high school. UNC did not honor the verbal when it came time to sign her during her senior year. Not all universities are like that but I thought not honoring the verbal was classless by UNC.
I only wish my kid gets the best possible grades, works tirelessly at being a great teammate, an honorable soccer student, a good athlete that takes pride in her strength and endurance and skills, who trusts her teammates and is trusted by them. I hope she picks a great academic university that she will enjoy and give her the tools to be successful for the rest of her life. i hope she plays soccer, but whether D1, D2 or D3 or not at all, I hope she just loves her time at college. Gosh i miss those years. dont we all. Soccer empowers her; her teammates empower her. He coach builds her up. And she is amazing. Her teammates are amazing. Better or worse than others? who cares. We're all privileged to watch these kids love this sport.When people toss around terms like ECNL or brag about the recruiting prospects of certain leagues or clubs, I wish them the best but its not for everyone. Its not for us.
Great weekend in Bucks County - thanks FC Bucks for hosting. The weather, fields and competition was great. And so we're all the parents, sidelines were a pleasure when you play this type of festival.
Do you mean Penn Fusion? If so, 100% agree. Everyone was great!!
Agree thank you PF, once again this is what the clubs in the ECNL league bring together the no pressure environments at these festivals scrimmages without the tension of competing for GS points or ranking in a league bracket. Give opportunities for coaches to work on things outside of practice sessions as well.
5:57, I now of a similar situation but in this case UNC honored the commitment and as far as I know the player is heading there for the 2015 season.
First off if you have a verbal commitment to UNC and playing club ball. Why would you let your daughter play high school soccer to risk injury anyway. Please don't tell me its for social activity as she could do other afterschool activities like join the drama club or be on the class committee. If my younger daughter has this opportunity I would not let her do high school soccer.
@ June 7, 2015 at 7:55 PM Exactly, well said.It's all about a personal preference with parents and their children.Could my daughter play on a pre ECNL team? Absolutely. I brought the idea of PDA up to her and she is just so against playing for them. And you shouldn't force your child to do anything that she doesn't want to do. Just hopefully her team will remain facing the top talent in the country along with facing these ECNL teams at tournaments and all will be good.
I wonder where she gets all the hate from?
The kid I mentioned who is going to UNC didn't play HS soccer. Some HS have great traditions and great teams. Younger girls dream of playing for those teams. I live in one of those towns, and it's probably my daughters first goal to make the varsity as a freshman. You are reunited with your classmates who by U15 are dispersed over several clubs. I'm in a district that at any time has 15+ kids at MFA and PDA as well as other top clubs.
Looks as if Rutger's is already pulling in Sophomores to verbally commit from Jersey. Link below shows committed players who are sophomores. Interesting to see how many players already doing this. There are probably many that are out there that are committed not registered as well. http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/search/?query=&genderId=f&graduationYear=2017®ionId=0&countyId=31&positionId=0&firstCharName=&pageNo=0&area=clubplayer
@June 8, 2015 at 12:33 PM To be honest, I have no idea. My guess, her teammates putting the hatred in her head which probably stems from the parents of those particular girls. I hope her mind changes later on. She also may not want to have to play against her current teammates as well. They've been together for so long.
So I saw post this morning of a scrimmages at FC Bucks or Penn Fusion can any one elaborate or touch base on which teams attended and who look good and which teams didn't. A little curious?
did all you ECNL koolaid drinkers sit around sing songs and roasting marshmallows by the campfire whilst your kids played the beautiful game serenaded by angles playing harps above? sounds like the next coming of the soccer savior.Anonymous said... Agree thank you PF, once again this is what the clubs in the ECNL league bring together the no pressure environments at these festivals scrimmages without the tension of competing for GS points or ranking in a league bracket. Give opportunities for coaches to work on things outside of practice sessions as well. June 8, 2015 at 9:17 AM
I agree. I'm so happy my daughter is now on an ECNL club team. They are the only teams that play scrimmages and luckily our parents post on here that we played so everyone else knows that we played this weekend and will ask how we did.
See, parents from some of these so called pre ecnl teams are a bit crazed. How else would people know there were scrimmages arranged. Not all the parents..but a lot of them.
Wasn't as great as you think.This was a festival that was postponed from earlier in the year.With ODP friendlies in North Carolina, some U12 teams did not have their entire roster. Some pulled from U11, some pulled from U13. Wound up being a mish mash of teams that you will most likely never see again.
All this pre-ecnl hype is nothing but a hype! The scrimmages they attend don't mean anything. They are looking at the quality of the NEXT Ecnl teams. The real teams will not be formed until u14. So many who are in pre-ecnl will NOT be there at u14. Lot's of talent will take over most of the pre-ecnl roster spots. It would be interesting to see the changes at u14.
8:06 am - you are right. it happened in the older ages. they have to do that to assure they get the best talent or the ecnl wouldn't make sense. and parents can't even get upset about it, they should understand.
806 & 832 I totally agree the majority of these Pre-ECNL rosters will have huge turnover at U14 only the top teams that finish in the league will not as many changes. Also coaches do not have to wait to move a girl off the team pre-ecnl to the club's NPL team. A lot of stress on girls and parents for being 12 and 13. Best bet is to wait until U15 and if you think your daughter is still that quality of a player you will have still have that opportunity to move.
Plus you have a lot of traveling to do at Pre-ECNL for only u13, which makes no sense when there are probably a few nearby NPL teams just as strong. I personally am waiting it out I know if my daughter wants it later and she stays playing at the level she is playing she will always have that option. I'm sure rosters will alter every season its the nature of the business now.
Sorry for the U10 question. There isn't a blog for U10.Does anyone know the best league in NJ to play in at U10. Is it Jags? Play up and play EDP at U11? Another quick question, how come I don't see EDP standings for U11 and U12 in the NPL site? Is it somewhere else?
1239 Hit up the U11 blog as the leagues have change a lot since this blog going into U13. All U11/U12 standings are under EDP they are the only sanction under NPL that is ran by MSSL. They keep the scores there.
great article - the facts are the facts about ECNLhttp://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/ecnl-era-fast-approaching-for-uswnt_aid36606getting into an ECNL program early is no guarantee, but the fact is that girls will have to be better to displace an existing player. the clubs will not move a girl off the team for an equal player.this area is loaded with talent and that is why the NPL teams will be very competitive as well
That article was past here last week, keep up with your Pre-ECNL/ECNL Hype. I heard there were some bad showings from a few teams this past weekend at that festival. Again changes will be made on rosters every year for those teams.
of course roster changes will happen. they will happen everywhere not just on ECNL teams. NPL teams will do the same thing and so on down the ladder. many girls will be lost through natural attrition, smaller girls will mature and the size differentiation will not be so severe, so teams that favor size now will make adjustments. the beauty is there is a place for all levels. too many haters of ECNL and thats fine and obviously not for you. but no need to rip the league that will ultimately strengthen the USWNT and consolidate college recruiting. The best get better playing against their peers
9;23That is pretty bad advice!There are two good time to move to an ECNL team..At u11 when they expand rosters and at u14 when teams are getting ready for their first season of ECNL play. after that the coaches are looking for specific players that fit with what they need. if you are a top regional player than you will be able to walk on but short of that you have little to no chance at PDA.
People you really need to look at your lives. The festival was fun for the girls. They are 11/12 years old. Do,you think ere thinking of college. You guys are ruining youth soccer.
Any tryouts still available or are all teams set now ?
Lol, tryouts are always on. All teams leave that open spot for the super player whose crazy parents will move them after hearing how much better club A is than club B
Regular tryouts are over. But you can contact any club and they will usually let your player come to a practice.
You do not want to contact a club now for a practice session as the fall season has not yet begun. That best time would be the beginning or middle of the spring prior to tryouts. By then the coach already knows what he is looking for or to add onto his team.
You guys keep talking about u14, there will be no u14 in ecnl. Next year(2016)it all changes to 2003 and 2002. They will both be ecnl and will be very difficult to make. The 2002 year will be competing for spots against the current u13 players. PDA has three strong teams at u13(all three are top 5 in state) and assume about 40 percent of those girls are 2002. So starting next year, if your daughter is a 2002 it's going to be very difficult making the 2002 ecnl roster and it will be a big one too. MF will be much easier, they have strong u13 and weak u12 age groups, so 2003 should be easy. WCFC will be wide open too, very weak u12 and just okay u13. Your best hope is that your daughter is a 2003 and top 2 on her current team, then you have good odds things will work out if your favor.
1104 please show the proof, it has not been established to go to year yet. There has been discussions the past 2 years and still nothing has happened. If they really want to do it right just move date a month and align it up by school year. This way majority of players are in the same grade come U15/16/17 for recruiting.
11:22am Makes far more sense doing it the way you suggested. I am also yet to read anything that we are going to birth year in Fall 2016, just a lot of rumors.
1104 Probably has a '03 child and hoping it happens since the '02 kids on her daughter's team are the top of the team. Like many of you on here said its just rumors and talk. It took them 4 to 5 years to move to 8v8 v 11v11 at U11&U12, just 5 years ago the majority of leagues were at 11v11 for 10/11 year olds for U11.
Believe what you want. And my daughter is a 03 and top 2 or 3 on team, so not concerned one way or the other. I would prefer them to stay the way it is and truly hope it doesn't happen, but being told over and over its changing.
If it happens it they will pick a specific year, not just go each age group. I'm hearing the 2000's and older will be first they will all be in high school.
The 02/03 age adjustment would only help the national team funnel/fliter kids in the End - .0000001 % of kids. It would also serve to make NCAA coaches I, II, or III have to do more work. Ultimately at 15/16/17 yr old girls are pretty much developed so it won't really matter. NO need to fret either way.
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Storm has 30 rostered ECNL players for next year, They just tell a certain amount of kids you are duel rostered, you can move up and down on a weekly basis, take it or leave it.
For many, jumping into an ECNL environment like the one just laid out could be the kiss of death for your kid in this great sport. My guess is that development goes to the wayside in favor of getting results here and now. What team would take 30 and then roster 22 and expect any of those kids to get minutes?And dont sit here and say "its not for everyone". Its not for anyone! these are 11 and 12 year old kids and while this kind of professional mentality might make sense at u15 and above, for first year middle school kids, its a bit much. goodbye to the fun, its a job, a path, the yellow brick road you're stuffing them down.
They are 12 and 13 and many turning 14 soon. I don't like it and would not do it for mine, but the ones that do, will learn a tough lesson in life.
If you think you will be able to break into an ECNL team at U15 after playing year in and year out with average players, I think it will be too late. Yes its a tough environment but unless your daughter has a high paying job with your firm after college I think these lessons are better learned early in life. Many of these parents are the same ones that want the teachers to be friends with the kids and not give too much homework blah blah blah. I'd prefer my child to fail at soccer every so often and keep working hard to get a starting spot than not try at all. But not for everyone.
Not every ECNL club is operates like PDA and MatchFit. The only reason they roster so many is to flow between NPL & ECNL teams and to control the population of talented girls in NJ. It's a shame they are the only 2 clubs in NJ and nothing in central or south. This is why girls Will start flocking to PA and NY ECNL clubs.FC Bucks are smack right next to PDA south, World Class is near near enough to PDA shore and MF so you'll see a few talented girls from central, north eastern and south Jersey flock to them as the years go by and Penn Fusion is making a lot of noise now as well.
Thats the righteousness espoused by ECNL koolaid drinkers, that lifes lessons can only exist if you wear a jersey for a club that plays in ECNL. so wrong on so many levels. your post talks about what you want for your daughter. ever stand back and see what she really wants ? Now, granted, if you're talking about low level programs, I get it. But you all do remember, and this is critical, that probably 75% of the top teams in NJ, NY, CT, Mass are NOT ECNL. NOT. Better training, better coaches, better soccer, better development without the cost, the driving, studying for math test in the backseat. Maybe you ought to better define exactly what "life lessons" you think ECNL provides that arent provided elsewhere. ECNL has the potential to be a ton of fun, and a great avenue for a select few to achieve their soccer dreams. But its not even close to the only path, and in fact many other paths are better.Anonymous said... If you think you will be able to break into an ECNL team at U15 after playing year in and year out with average players, I think it will be too late. Yes its a tough environment but unless your daughter has a high paying job with your firm after college I think these lessons are better learned early in life. Many of these parents are the same ones that want the teachers to be friends with the kids and not give too much homework blah blah blah. I'd prefer my child to fail at soccer every so often and keep working hard to get a starting spot than not try at all. But not for everyone. June 15, 2015 at 6:06 PM
@June 15, 2015 at 6:06 PM - - You stated ' after playing year in and year out with average players '. Can you please name 5 teams that you would consider 'average players'?
TSF, Stallions, Crush, SDFC, World Class, STA, IGFA. These are teams that, with a few exceptions have fallen behind. These teams are playing average or below. Nice teams all of them but not pushing the envelope and the high end game is getting away from them. You asked.
@June 16, 2015 at 12:06 PM - - Actually I have to agree.
12:06pm. So who are leading the pack then at the age group? A top 5 would be a good start. I disagree with a few of the teams you have listed there especially as some have been playing small sided for the whole of U12 with some large sided thrown in here and there.
I know this was covered here not to long ago but I'll ask again rather than try to work back through a bunch of older posts.Anway, whats the difference, if any, between EDP's NPL and NYCSL NPL?
June 16, 2015 at 12:43 PM - - I believe all teams can be judged equally on their soccer abilities as a team no matter how long or short of a time they were playing 8v8/11v11. This is just an excuse that some people will use. Whether 8v8/11v11, you can tell if teams play good possession soccer, with great technical players who are smart as a whole on the field.
Possession soccer is the goal of all the teams. My daughter plays for a very strong ECNL team and the transition from 8 v8 to 11v11 isn't as simple as stated. I have seen many good possesion 8 v8 teams and players move to the big field and just don't have the speed to keep up or have relied on their size on the small field. A very good short sided defender gets blown by a fast striker or wing and tell me what skill makes up for that? See it all the time Very skilled kids don't necessarily equate to good teams. The combination of speed and skill is essential. Don't confuse that. and 12:06 on what basis do you identify those teams as falling behind?
So 2:12pm you are saying that all the teams you listed do not play good possession soccer? We are all entitled to our opinion but i disagree wholeheartedly. My daughters team have played almost every team listed and i can say that 3-4 of them do try and play possession style. They may not be as good as your daughters team who apparently are one of the select few teams in the State who have great technical players across the board but they are trying to do things right. I believe that every "top" team within NJ has lost to 1 of those teams you have listed in the past year....The EDPs NPL is ran by MAPS soccer. The NYCSL NPL is ran by US Club Soccer. Both are US Club soccer leagues but in NYCSL every Club enters their teams into every age group and they all travel to play the same team on the same day. EDP is not as well organized in that respect and allow single team clubs to enter (Cherry Hill for example).
I have seen just about every quality team in NJ play over the last season. Only one team impressed me with proficiency to play possession soccer against the better teams and that was PDA Galaxy. I am 100% not a PDA parent but we did play them and i have watched them against the better teams. the bottom line is that the weaker the opponent the easier to possess the ball. The better teams look great against lower competition but when they play against strong, fast teams, the ability to possess drops. No one can argue that.
@June 16, 2015 at 2:56 PM - - I wasn't the poster who listed the teams.
@ June 16, 2015 at 2:54 PM You state your daughter plays for an ECNL team that went from 8v8 to 11v11. Hmmm! Doesn't teams go into Pre-ECNL/NPL fro U13 prior to becoming the ECNL team at U14. So you sate our daughter is going U12 8v8 to U14 11v11. Now that's a jump!
Top NJ(only) Teams by League: EDP NPL: Rush/Rage, SDFC, Cherry Hill, NJ Rush, TSF, IGFA, NJ Wildcats, FreeholdNYCSL NPL: STA, NJ CrushNortheast NPL: PDA Nova, PDA Crew, MatchFitPre-ECNL: Galaxy, MatchFitAgain this will all depend on where teams decide to go for their NPL league EDP or NYCSL. Northeast NPL and Pre-ECNL are locked leagues for those ECNL clubs so they were easy.
@4:09 U12 is pre-ecnl. so excuse me. from U11 8v8 to pre-ecnl U12 11v11.and it is quite the transition and game does change tremendously. Kids that relied on size and only skill start to fall behind because without speed on the big field, they are left behind and chasing. At U12 the field is too large to capitalize on all the space.
@4:51 When was U12 Pre-ECNL I thought it was at U13? Are you sure you have the right age group for your daughter you ECNL Kool-Aid drinker. lol
@4:51 pre-ecnl starts at U12. My guess is your not aware bc your daughter isn't even on that radar. I didn't talk up ecnl so no need to make the remark kook aid drinker. My reference was to the difference between small sided and large sided. You are probably also the coach to protect your daughter's playing time. Don't be a hater.
4:51 isnt me, but what kind of comment is it to suggest the person is the daughter's coach to protect her play time when the poster is just saying that the change of U11 8v8 to U12 11v11 is a difficult one. That said, the poster is also a bit dopey in that she says kids that relied on speed fall behind because without speed on the big field, they are left behind. Yeah, the field at u12 is to big to utilize all the space. 1000% correct. Doesn't mean its a bad game. Watching the USWNT they dont utilize nearly all the space. Thailand looked like midgets next to Germans.
Pre-ECNL is u13 not u12 dopey. Show me link where it says u12 pre-ECNL. And no I'm not a coach and my daughter does play for and ECNL club and she is on a pre-ECNL team come fall. So I'm only saying kool-aid drinker to you because it seem you don't know. lol
@11:16pm I'm sorry who's dopey? And let me know if you need more links because there are plenty. Pre-ecnl u12U12 Pre-ECNLOur U12 Pre-ECNL program is the entry level and consists of 18 players. The competitive calendar includes league play, tournament play as well as friendlies with other ECNL clubs. The team will also participate in one JR ECNL event. Players train 2-3 times per week.http://www.slsgsoccer.com/slsg-illinois/player-development-platforms/girls/pre-ecnl-program/U12 Pre-ECNL and The Path ForwardThe goal of the pre-ECNL teams is to prepare players to play at the highest level of soccer in the country. Once Maryland United FC North players reach the U-13 age group, they will be placed in the Maryland United FC player pool. From that player pool, Maryland United FC will create at least two teams, an Elite Clubs National League (ECNL) team and a Maryland State Cup teams.http://www.mdunitedfc.org/TeamPages/north01redgirls/index_E.htmlElite Clubs National League U12 to U18 - OPEN TRIALShttp://www.wcsocceracademy.org/TryoutInformation/ECNL/index_E.html
Thanks for showing us your club's marketing ploy for ECNL. Please so us link from U.S. Club where the u12-PreECNL plays in a league like the u13 NorthEast NPL league. I can ask our club's marketing team to have a u11 PreECNL pool to make it even more interesting.LOLECNL truly doesn't start until u14 dopey, u15 and above is when it matters. Now you just proved to everyone on this blog about drinking the kool-aid.
I thought your daughter was playing for a ecnl club? Assume you were at the pre ecnl event two weeks ago for the u12girls. What club do you play for?
Is ODP something worth considering? I would like to hear pros and cons. TIA
Yes I was at pre-ecnl festvial at PF with her u13 preecnl.
ODP waste of money bottom line. If your daughter is already playing with a strong club team then your fine. ODP is on its way down, it doesn't carry the weight it used.
Thanks 9:17. I had heard mixed reviews, but wasn't exactly sure what you get for the money. It doesn't sound like it is worth it from a time or money perspective.
@7:46am you asked to show U12 pre-ecnl links which i did and you said pre-ecnl starts at U13 correct? now you are calling me dopey bc ECNL starts at U14. the question was about pre-ecnl. the pre-ecnl festival at PF was U12 there were no U13 teams there. your comments have no merit so who's Dopey? you should stop posting your remarks bc it is clear you have no clue what you are talking about and are all over the place.
1016 Sorry but I'm not the Dopey poster but we were also at PF festival and it was our rising U13's headed into fall season. Our rising U13's were already established as their were no rising U12 teams there. I think you have season's incorrect as our club team for U13's start after the holiday so technically the poster is correct as only Rising U13's that are entering for fall attended it. Teams that attend are in transition of going U13 come fall. Thus stating Pre-ecnl starts at U13 is correct. Northeast NPL has a bracket for U13 Pre-ECNL come fall no U12's are in it. You can view everything yourself on the NPL website on how U13 Pre-ECNL is setup. Clubs posting U12 pre-ecnl is a preliminary for U13's.
@11:43 thank you for your post I guess each club looks at it differently. Our club referred to the fest as pre-ecnl U12 and the schedule provided from PF said U12 festival not U13 rising as you put it. The team that we put out there was our U12 pre-ecnl team. the players joining next year were not part of the roster at PF. the links previously provided show that many clubs refer to their top teams at U12 as pre-ecnl. so i guess it is semantic. Anyway, it was a great environment and great soccer.There is just no need for someone to call another dopey over a U12 post that was accurate.End of day, none of this matters until they are U14 anyway.
1204 Sorry the Dopey poster is correct all teams at the festival were turning U13. So technically you are in PreU13 / Pre-ECNL stage. If your 12season is over its the transition period to U13. That was not PF U11's there it was their U12 transitioning to U13. I'm not a ECNL fan as I think there are plenty of NPL teams just as strong that will get my daughter where she wants to be if she wants it, but I have to side with Dopey as it seems as the marketing for those clubs Pre-ECNL is starting at U12 where technically it starts at U13. It's a shame how simple marketing words can really throw off the truth.
Anyone who takes any clubs marketing as truth at this point in the game is dopey. Check everything out for your kid personally and make a good choice. The words, leagues, divisions, etc. are of little consequence. What matters is a good fit for your player and your wallet.
@1:46 well said, and I think the dopey blogger is right on point stating U12 pre-ecnl is a marketing ploy. As for the blogger stating Pre-ecnl starts at U12 please don't take things so seriously as the dopey blogger is just calling you out and made a great point on marketing. It's entertaining and luv how he points out the truth. Come back dopey. LOL
To the bloggers asking about ODP. It's another avenue I see all the top players still doing it. It's relatively your preference if you want to spend usually half the amount you are spending on club teams. I suggest doing ODP at U15 when national exposure kicks in. U13/U14 ODP is still up in the air they are compiled with good and mediocre talent to see if they develop.
@June 17, 1231am/1016am/1204pm. - Dopey here I guess the bloggers proved my point now keep selling your club's marketing ploy of Pre-ECNL at U12. I'm not for or against PDA but they don't have marketing schemes like that, and they are one of the top clubs in America. You sir/ma'am have been served. lol
Nothing is better for development than game experience, one example, PDA Storm has an ECNL roster of 30 kids, 1/4 duel rostered alternating on a weekly basis. If that is your vision of development, go for it.
Disagree practices are for development, games are for competition. PDA is known for roster the max players as they let the girls cross play among there teams. Nothing wrong with that and yes there vision is different but it still equates to the same results.
What is a real difference between ODP and a program like "US Soccer". It seems that it's US Soccer that actually makes the US Olympic National team and not ODP. This is so extremely confusing.I'm looking at the announcement from them (also topsoccer).. where they claim to have selected "U15 national team".. from U.S. Soccer Training Centershttp://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2015/05/29/23/45/150530-u16gnt-u15gnt-hold-combined-camp-in-portland-orDoes ODP also create its own National Team?Or is USSoccer is just an ECNL filter machine? The U.S. Soccer Training Centers only seem to be made up of ECNL/Academy clubs, and there is no real way for smaller clubs to join.
Yes everything US Club or US Training centers majorly linked to soon to be announced academy for girls which is currently known as the ECNL league. Many of these things will be announced in the next year or so along with calendar year.
Quick question. In Gotsoccer, can someone tell me how to look for a certain league, ex- EDP, JAGS, etc. I see rankings, tournaments, etc but don't see a search for leagues? All your help is appreciated. Thanks
I think the game is the area where you show everyone how well your trained and disciplined. Practices should be harder than the game. I do agree games are very important for the kids to learn how to deal with pressure and rise to the occasion. If your not learning in practice and working harder than the next team the game will not be helpful towards development.
This just in.....Match Fit Top 3 in the country
Top three for fields ?Top three at this age group ? Top three in cost ?
ODP is a channel for USNT. Far fewer kids go that route these days. There is only one true national team at each age and that is run by US Soccer.
In 2015/16 ECNL is requiring every club to play an ECNL event at U12. That is new.
7:04 don't know where you get your info from, but Matchfit is a very disorganized organization from younger to older age groups...it's a joke!
Depending on your club/team manager, there are so many options for soccer development/exposure, or whatever soccer aspirations your child may have or pathway that you want to at least open to give your child soccer options in any soccer org. whether it be through USYS (NJYS ect.), US Club Soccer which has ECNL/NPL ect... Remember, try and support what makes your child happy and her love to play the game.
ha ha, all the points chasers playing in south jersey. after such a weak finish to many of their seasons, they got to go squirrel up those last points less they fall out of the Gotsoccer Premium rating zone. no better way to celebrate your father than drag him down to ANOTHER tournament in monsoon rain.
you are truly a nasty person. I feel bad for your child. A lot of these teams are good teams getting ready to play 11v11 from 8v8. Such jerks lurking around.
play as much soccer as you and your kids desire. what does anyone care how much or little others play? do your thing, let others do theirs. that said, the couple of 2,3 top teams in that tournament are all 11v11 already. Maybe it is their summer select sessions.
Sad that the Women's World Cup is not being promoting very well and not on prime time channels.Media should do a better job hyping it up!!!
Where did this team Delran come from, moving into the top twenty in New Jersey.
Top 20 won't even register with the crowd on an anonymous soccer blog.
Delran has won some tournaments in the last few weeks,and won a lot of games playing EDP. I guess they will be moving up in EDP bracket in te fall, way to go Delran!!!
Another town team moving up in the rankings.
No Another town team moving up the GS points rankings. Again you people cannot follow those rankings because a Delran team will not be able to compete against the top EDP or North East NPL teams and wont even come close to even playing any of the pre-ECNL teams come this fall. So for those who still follow those GS point standings need to have a reality check.
Chipping away to the top
You ECNL blowhards need a dose of humility. Take any of the top ECNL squads and look at their results. Some horrific, some pretty good. No one invincible and especially beatable against the top teams in any of the leagues. You ECNL folks suffer the same issues that US WOmen's National team suffers. You have the money. You have access to the best stuff, to the leagues, and thus you think you're better than others. And yet, there are amazing teams and kids out there who will have their day with you. Your spending your money doesn't make you better. Humility is important. Get some.
The U12 rankings have a couple NJ teams in the top 100, starting with PDA Galaxy at #20, but I didn't see any true "town teams" in the top 100. The closest might be the Arsenal/FC Maximus combine team. 9:31 - What town teams are you talking about?
Cherry Hill is a town team in the top 20. Duh!
Cherry Hill is a great town team. I'm sure though they may have girls from surrounding towns though on that team. Correct me if I'm wrong. When do you stop considering a team, a 'town team'? They have an academy style program. High level coaches, play in high level leagues, and send girls to top soccer colleges.
Anyone ever here of SCP (Sussex County Premier). THey have a U14 team and just built a team that will be playing U13 in Fall. THey are going to play lower level EDP
Cherry Hill has difficulty attracting quality players. The youth to pre-teen squads benefit from a large drawing area within and outside of the town and a good facility, but the parents and parent volunteers are unable to protect themselves from themselves. The use of paid trainers in combination with volunteer coaches breeds an environment which can be unappealing to high level players. Any team with parental influence can become destructive in the later years.
Why do all the teams at the top of got soccer have double points for spring edp league? Getting points for 2014 and 2015? I thought 2014 gets taking off when new year is applied. Amazing how many events some teams play.
Does anyone know why the 2015 PDA Spring Kickoff did not award GotSoccer points? At first it did and then the points were removed. If this tournament is not going to award points I can foresee a number of clubs no long attending. This would be a shame because it is a really good tournament and for New Jerseyites, very convenient.
What happened to rage at delco? Got spanked. Do you lose a player?
What happened you ask. What happened (PAUSE)What happened is that your parents didn't spank you enough when you were growing up.
GS points have expiration dates for each event. Spring will come off by month end thus their is a revolving door of Top teams every month. Again do not use GS as a gauge to rank teams it's primary purpose for the youth level teams is to help position those teams in right brackets for tournaments and league play.PDA members dislike GS points and that is by choice because ECNL does what it is needed for their players exposure vs. playing a tourney every month and chasing points. If anyone really needs proof research 5 D1 schools look at incoming or current freshman players on each team and you will see majority of them are coming from an ECNL club. My daughter is hoping she plays at that level and her goal is to make an ECNL team in the future. She can care less about winning tournaments and GS points anymore.
@1251 Plus you have leagues that award GS points for every placed positioned 1st to last place. Makes no sense to award GS points to teams coming 4th - 8th place in league play, absolute ridiculous. Not mocking Penn Fusion but they got 1700+ points for coming in 7th place in league play. How does that make sense? Of course PF will be stronger next year unfortunately many will not see them unless in a tournament environment. Totally agree with 3:42 GS blog but please do not Hype up ECNL just yet.
Very hard to make an ECNL team if you aren't in that program by U13. I think combined MFA and PDA made 3 out of club roster additions for next falls U14 team, and it gets tougher from there. Generally you need to be a major D1 prospect.
7:19 You are blowing smoke. U13 is Pre-ECNL trial and error year and 25% of the roster will change or simply have additions at U14. It's not until U16 most of the team roster's are locked up. Been through it myself there were 5 additions when my oldest daughter was U14 I think 3 or 4 at U15. Don't make comments on this blog unless you have seen it first hand unfold. Plus the ones flocking to U13 Pre-ECNL are the ones that are scared there daughter can't make it in the later years. Parent Fear's is shown as this example.
9:47 completely agree. MF just added 8 new players to their U15 roster this year, and PDA also cut players and recruited new ones, even mid season, including some national pool players. Paying $ to PDA for 5 years doesn't give them any loyalty to you. They continue to just cut and re-load.
947 Thanks for backing up my statement with what happened at Match Fit. It's nice to hear some reality people on here. I even heard a few times a girl formally on the national pool circuit and then cut at the ECNL level that's how much disparity things can change year over year. Best time to move to an ECNL team is at U14 mid-year and if your daughter is capable of playing up U15 it's even better because she will get notice playing alongside Sophomore's and Juniors.
So the U14 team at MFA added zero, and the U15s added 8. That still makes it pretty tough to make those teams. Neither MFA or PDA was very strong at U14 this year and the strength of the groups is a factor in roster turnover. Also important to point out that rosters commonly expand from 20 or so to 25 at U15. I think the statement that ECNL teams are very hard to make from outside the ECNL clubs at any age is accurate.
Who will be the next big female stand out from Delran? Look out!!
Go Delran, great to see a town team so supportive. Hopefully another US National player comes out of there. Remember she didn't play for some over priced ECNL/NPL team it was hard work and determination that got her there. Didn't she even play for the NJ Wildcats as well.
Lloyd did play for the Medford Strikers as well.The strikers were her main club team.
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