^^^ dude you're all class
Regarding tryout registration through Got Soccer, anyone know if your current team/coach will see that you registered for tryouts at different club? It would show up on the players page as an upcoming event but does your current team see that?
Does it matter if it shows up on Gotsoccer, just be straight forward with your current coach if you plan on trying out somewhere else especially if your daughter is in the top 5 player on the team. At this age majority of coaches already know or have seen who is out there.
@521 aint njx from midde twn? they a joke two?
@521 i'm pretty sure that aside from this age group, where NJX (middletown) is a top team in the state, the m'town age group one year older, and now one year younger both brought home state cups. not too shabby. sure it gets harder for a "town" team as the kids age and self-select into "elite" teams. Let me know if you find another "joke" program with those kind of results recently.
@1145 and @1249No it doesn't show up outside of your profile There is no reason to tell your coach if you tryout elsewhere. Your reasons are up to you and your player. Sometimes it is just to see how your player stacks up against others
It's common courtesy to give your coach a heads up if your going to other tryouts. People will see you anyway. Been there done that!
always best to let the coach know what your tryout plans are. there's a dozen other girls on the team counting on playing next year. if the coach is blindsided by a few defections, there may not be enough to field a team. that's the worst possible result. the girls just want to play.
Yes I agree common courtesy to your coach is key. It's a small world and people talk so you would rather have your coach here it from your mouth instead of others. Unless you are in odds with your coach then it be better to let the director of coaching in the club know then.
Best policy is to be open and honest.
You are all quite amusing. This is u12 soccer. You do not have to tell your coach unless you feel comfortable doing so. You have no allegiance to your team past this June. And your coach has no allegiance to your player past this June. I would find it odd that any coach would not expect players to try out elsewhere honestly. Unless they play for Galaxy. So it's up to you.
Speaking of tryouts. When will teams start posting tryout dates?
@1020 - U10, U12, U14 it doesn't matter a paid coach or parent coach needs to know if you plan on leaving. It's the right thing to do. It helps he/she outline a plan for what the team is look for in their tryouts. It's common Courtesy to someone that puts time in and out in teaching your child that you probably do not have time for. Teach your child respect.
@10:20 I agree with you on this one. A coach does what is best for his/her team and a parent does what is best for their child! It is only right to let the coach know if you decide to accept another offer so they can plan accordingly to fill your child's spot on the roster. Movement happens all the time in sports. I don't feel it's your obligation to let the coach know your actively looking. That is your decision to make and only let them know once you make your decision IF you decide to leave. That is respectful to your team. Others will post and speak about respect and how wrong it is. Believe me, many others are looking also and keeping it quiet or as quiet as possible. If a parent coach is looking to move their child, does it mean they are obligated to tell the rest of the team, or will they? Very unlikely I am sure. Been there with my oldest and speak from experience.
Why tell the current coach that your daughter is trying out elsewhere. Would anyone tell there current employer that they're looking for a new job? C'mon people!
mr. 5:49,team youth sports are not for you. its called being part of a team of youth kids who want to have a successful season and noone wishes you ill will for leaving but have some guts and tell the coach so he doesnt plan to have you there. And maybe yeah, one should discuss employment issues with their employer . I guess you're the type who walks in with the 1 day notice that you're quiting as of 5pm and screw you if you suffer negative impact because i'm walking out on my job.youth sports - stay on the sidelines. its not for you.
@711. I wouldn't call Anyone a "dumb ass" because there is no law. You can leave right now if you want. 2 weeks is a courtesy. And for your information, unless you have an employment contract, your employer can fire you and make you leave that moment. @553. I guess you have a union job. Bc no. You don't tell your employer. So relax buddy. My guess is a star player has left your child's team more than once. This is not the MLS. And btw if you ask an mls player. They don't discuss negotiations when their contract is up. Unless they are using it as a bargaining chip. Same way they are traded without being told. This is a soccer blog. Why not discuss the issue you may arguably have a little bit of knowledge on.
@549 Last season at our tryouts an entire team showed up looking to get a spot, as well as the coaches kids and assistant coaches with their kid from other teams. I wonder if the coaches and assistant coaches informed their current teams that they coached that they were actively looking to move NO! Parents, coaches, kids, they're all looking to do what is best for their kid and how can we argue with that? I don't think their is a right or wrong answer here.
Agree there is no wrong or right way. I think if you have a good relationship with your coach and he has done as much he can to put the team in the upper tier's but did not have enough committed support from parents/players it's only respectful to advise him you are trying out at other places and planning on moving on. Trying out for other teams comes down to what situation you are in. A town team player trying our for academy or an academy player trying out for another academy/ rival team can be very different situations. It all comes down to player/parent situation. So you bloggers who are comparing this to a job employment have no sense. They are 12/13 year old girls that ultimately rely on parent's to help them make decisions.
Wrong way is to not say anything to the coach and then leave your old team in the lurch without time to get a replacement player. Not all teams have giant rosters. Many need every player to be able to field a team with subs each game. Be considerate of all the kids playing soccer, not just your own.
Good Luck to all going to Jeff Cup! Hopefully some of the NY,NJ,PA teams represent.
Any other games today besides STA vs NJX/MFA?
Sdfc 5-0 vs Waza Tsf lose both games in 5th bracket (would be 6th if the top 8v8 bracket was considered) That team is on the way down very very quick.
Wow! STA 1-1 NJX/MFA very good game
How were the TSF parents? Are they still fighting with everyone?
Looks like PDA crew and Rush tied. nice work PDA, never thought I would say that.
Sdfc got spanked at Jeff cup.
Why do you say wow? Both are very average teams.
I was saying wow to sdfc
sdfc 0 -5 not 5-0 . 11 goals against, 1 for. kick and run is so fall 2014!!! spanked.learn your lessons. dont come on here bragging because everything comes and goes. the yapping guy touting his sdfc u12 fall results just getting ripped apart this winter. great kids. ridiculous bragging parents. bye bye.
Now it makes sense. Didn't think sdfc would win 5-0.
This is where you really start seeing the difference between the really elite playing teams and you can see why in another year they differentiate between NPL and ECNL. Just look at CASL. They've got 9 U12 girls teams...that's right 9!! The reason PDA doesn't need to have that many teams to form a top ECNL is because they draw a few top kids from the few they've got and draw in the future NPL teams top talent who are looking for a higher competition level for their child.
Sad how parents spend their weekends scouring the web for the scores of tournaments their kids aren't playing in. Think about how pathetic that is. It's bad enough we all spend an inordinate amount of time on our own kids sports, but when you're looking at updates of tournaments your kid isn't even at, then blogging about it, can you fairly argue you are not a complete loser? Please, explain why you're not pathetic in a cogent argument.
Maximus/world class merger looks interesting. Anyone know how this is going to work?
CASL has 9 x u12 teams? how is that even possible? do they have the fields and trainers to support that or is it a merger of various clubs?
Jeff Cup produced some champions from NJ! Congrats to those that won.
The wc merger is very good, they need help, especially at this age group. The fc max team is much stronger and will bring wc to a competing status. Would be concerned if I was playing on wc, will probably have more fc girls than wc make pre ecnl team next year. Win - win for both clubs. MF will be the weak link at this age group. That club has horrible reputation and it's showing in all the younger teams that they have start on their own.We will try out for wc next year know they will now have a strong team.
The World Class merger. They will be seperate from the WC NY program. The new program will be WC-NJ and will still be run under the same model as Maximus was ran, where people used Maximus as a supplement to their other "Real" team. Regardless, the Maximus U12G are solid, even though some people bash them because they play 8v8. This possibly might make them stronger if some girls that were playin in NY want to play for the NJ tm instead. Especially if they were traveling far north to get to nyfc complex.
it will definitely make them stronger, but world class went from small rosters at u12 to a large amount of girls. You can not tell me that u12 maximus will not be the core for the ecnl team and now another thirty players or so will be fighting to get in. and those players are already in the club. it will be interesting.
6:40 ha ha. Top NPL teams no need to drop to level of ECNL. You might want to actually do some research before commenting.
@ 6:40 - That was a BOLD statement "differentiate between NPL and ECNL" did you even look at the older brackets U13 & U14 I do not see an all ECNL bracket. ECNL and NPL teams are scattered throughout all levels of bracket play. Jeff cup did a fine job placing teams. The use of Gotsoccer points, team history will only further the case showing that a regular team can complete no matter if they are ECNL, NPL, Town.
ECNL team won the top bracket at U13. Other ECNL team went 2-1, but didn't make it to the final.Two ECNL teams made the final at U14 in the top bracket.They may be 'scattered', but it will get harder and harder for 'regular' teams to compete against the ECNL clubs.
@ 3:31 Yes I know who won the bracket's at U13/U14 coincidentally they are from the same club FC Virginia. But as I stated the games were close at many groups as well. So many of those games could of went either way. I'm not mocking ECNL or NPL teams but your statement is misleading especially when the NJ ECNL teams where not even present at our age group and probably wouldn't of faired well due to lack of outdoor time like southern stats had.
If both ECNL teams and NPL teams are scattered amongst each other in these top tournaments and both compete evenly against one another, then why is US Club Soccer the umbrella for both leagues and promoting ECNL to be the better leaugue? I don't get it? Can someone that has a child in the ECNL or real knowledge of the difference please explain.
Yes I do agree it does get confusing especially when US Club is the top affiliation for majority of these major tournaments and leagues. I think someone nailed it on a prior post with GotSoccer's point standings and recording team history it distinguishes the upper tier teams anyway. Remember times have change it was just 4 years ago parents where riding a wave of which town team to flock too, now with the online exposure parents/tournament directors can research which teams are the most competitive.
Why waste time researching "the most competitive" team. Whole team with be full of like minded uber competitive parents and result in a nightmarish sideline. I have been in that side line and there is not much beneficial about it.
Sometimes a nightmarish parent sideline affects a team's or individual player's play.At the age of 14/15 is when everything counts let your daughters enjoy the game and friends at this age.
All this soccer drama is getting way too old!LOL
ECNL has a lot of clubs and they are not all equal. Some clubs repeatedly fail to field competitive teams across all age groups, others field teams that can compete for national championships at all Age groups like PDA. Really 3 tiers of ECNL teams IMO. MFA straddles the top and middle tier IMO. NJ could probably use another ECNL club. PDA and MFA would obviously resist that and PDA carries a lot of clout.
At U14/U15 is when you look at moving to an ECNL team if your daughter tells you "Daddy I want to play in college". Half those 30 roster teams go back and forth between there satellite teams any way. So if you are on a strong U12 team now enjoy it and if your daughter is in the top 3 on her team she will get notice anyway.
http://changingthegameproject.com/the-adultification-of-youth-sports/?inf_contact_key=3f7dc37de30b02474fc18bb887b3358f6eb611809743a80dbfa07cd50f65473bif there was ever a blog that needed to read this, its this one...
The WC-NJ is interesting, but based on previous experience (PDA, Match-Fit) it really is a slow process of cannibalizing the weaker team. When the real Pre-ECNL team starts training, will they be training in NJ or NY? Im thinking NY, right?
Still no PDA brackets for spring kickoff.Can someone help them out and give it a shot. It will probably help them, I don't think they pay attention to other teams at this age group.
Does anyone know how got soccer assigns points to tournaments? Doesn't look like jefferson cup gets any points. Wazu won the championship flight at u12 and didn't get any points. Isn't that supposed to be one of the top tourneys in the country for girls? Is got soccer rankings that flawed?
@536 gs points are quite flawed. Only ranked events get points. Not all events are ranked. Outside of east coast, a lot of events are not ranked so easy coast teams are ranked high until they play away tourneys.
GS just posted Jeff Cup points. New ranks!
Look at most of the top teams in the ranking, most have 10 to 13 events eligible for points. It's called chasing points, the more you play the better your odds. Playing 8v8 is another great way to gather points.
Gotsoccer is worthless at this age, it's only good for placing teams properly in 2nd/3rd tier tournaments. The true 1st tier high level tourney's like Jeff Cup actually researches teams prior to bracket placement. Look at the Waza who won top flight at Jeff Cup they don't even play in many tourney's throughout the year and to gain GS points but came into Jeff Cup with a dominating presence. PDA Galaxy barely attends tournaments and look at how this team is quality. Anyone that follows GS at this age is just that a point chaser.
The premier programs try to keep game to practice ratios to a minimum. And they only enter usually 2 tournaments a season. They focus on development not amount of games and scores. Is that the proven formula for long term success? Some would argue more games are beneficial.
"Anonymous said...Playing 8v8 is another great way to gather points."Its a rare coach that will chase point. They exist, and parents love those GotSoccer ranks, and there are coaches looking to climb the escalator of coaching jobs who believe those rankings are another feather in their cap. But do you really think any team actually makes a decision to go 11v11 or stay 8v8 to get points? That's being a bit cynical, no?
Hi everyoneI'm sort of new to the way the whole soccer leagues / teams work etc. I have a U12 that's on a decent team now and 2 others that are younger. What is the best league to be in at U12. I've heard of ECNL, EDP, JAGS, NPL etc. but the whole thing gets confusing to be quite honest.Any info when someone has time would be great. Thank you
Rage Renegades played Jefferson Cup 8v8 because thats how they registered a bunch ago before deciding to go 11v11 without too much time playing 11v11. You'll get a taste this Spring.
10:04 I believe the premier programs have it right by keeping the "game to practice ration to a minimum". In long term it's a formula for individual development as games take away many of the things being taught due to parents pushing the child to win a game. Plus think about how the bottom half your teams development playing a game where they are touching a ball 90% less than practice. How is that beneficial.
Rage looks like a strong team and I'm sure they believe they will be at top of 11v11 standings. State Cup will be a good test. Big feild, big goal and strong players will make it much more difficult. Let's see how they do against crew, who is a better than average team in state cup.
@933, it is hard to judge a team by the division they play in. The blog will disagree (bc that's all they do) but higher level teams are now playing EDP at this age, and ECNL or NPL later on. The higher the flight, the tougher the competition when they are u14 and older. Where a team is playing now is all coaches choice, ask what is the coaches plan for development and how does he/she plan to get the, there? sometimes that means 8v8 or a lower flight
All the 8v8 teams converting this spring and next fall to 11v11will have there transition period I'm sure, but if it helped staying 8v8 to develop the players on there teams it will help in the long run and I'm sure they will have there good moment's as well. Ultimately Galaxy will be tops in the state for this age group it's who falls below them that will be interesting.
@510. Isn't edp one of the divisions of npl? So confusing ! Thanks.
@655 npl takes the top teams from Edp only at u14. Ecnl also has its own npl league which is a closed universe of ecnl npl teams. It's very confusing. But right now. U 13 and under shoul be playing in Edp. U14 and up in an npl leagueHope that helps a little
What is match fit doing at this age? too funny. what a joke.
@9:29 Match fit will build as many teams as it can. At 2,000 to 3,000 per kid recruit heavily and make money. Most parents are so worried about the shirt their child is wearing, they lose sight of the scheme they are buying into. Most of these coaches are PAID. They have no other job. That is some expensive kool aid ya all are drinking!
Let's be honest with ourselves. We are all drinking the Kool Aid. Some are just going up for more servings than others. How else could these paid coaches have manufactured careers for themselves, why else would this blog exist, why else would we all have effectively given up our lives to drive our kids around to play travel sports?As Michael Corleone said, "We're all part of the same hypocrisy..."
Kool Aid please, many these parents are drinking cocktails!
Let's also be honest. Some clubs get invited into tournaments and leagues Bc of their name. So that shirt they are wearing counts. Come u15 it becomes a lot harder for those town travel teams to get seen. Pda match fit world class albertson don't have that problem.
Yes but times have change with Gotsoccer tracking many team's history vs. those top quality clubs will also help teams get bids for those tournaments as well. I'm not in favor of GS points but playing history is a huge advantage.
Can someone from pda ask your club to post schedules already for spring kickoff.
State cup? When does pda nova play rush?
PDA is researching how to bracket teams let them take there time, rather have good bracket play vs. lop sided games. I personally would actually wait to see after this weekend's and next weekend's games and state cup games are played out to see how teams are performing. Can't always go by GS points to determine tournament flights.
Gs points are a waste of timeBut yes. Playing history is not. And you can tell by watching who played whom. But the ecnl clubs don't always play in ranked tournaments that are listed in got soccer so you don't know half their history.
@12:16 PDA Nova v Rush should be a good game. Rush and PDA Crew tied 1-1
There lies the problem with GS points. Rush is 2 in nj and 4 in nation, please. PDA crew is 15 in nj, but they tied the number 4 team in nation. Crew has 6 events to rush 12 events.
@2:40pm Totally agree! GS points do not mean anything at this age as mentioned prior posting the team's playing history is more valuable. PDA Crew playing really well shows they are developing. I'm sure with 4 PDA teams at this age group when they reach U14 and ECNL candidates are grouped together within the club they will be the regions top team.
@734 thank you. Can you link the npl league for this area? When I look at northeast girls npl, isn't it all the teams that go to ecnl ? Seems the same to me (maybe a b c teams is the only difference ). Where are all the other teams, still in edp ? Thx
Not a rage parent, but I think this team is real deal. Only question is can they transition to big feild and do they have the depth to cover it? I think they take the next round in cup, but close game. if they do well in next round, PDA has to put them in top bracket over all other nj teams, but their own A team. WCFC and NJX will be second bracket for sure. I hope they don't look at nj RUSH GS points. Tophat and a mass team or two will also be there. Who else deserves top bracket?
So your contention is if they beat the PDA C or D team after a prolific run of beating the Monroes of the world in 8 v 8 state cup then they should be rated higher than NJ Rush, who won State Cup, as well as NJX, SJEB SDFC, cherry hill, Etc?
@331. Yes ne npl is all ecnl club teams. Nycsl has an npl division and now Edp will have npl division. These are their top teams and usually the academy teams. Town teams will continue to play in their Edp or maps or jags divisions come high school.
Going to be a bonkers off season.Two of three ECNL clubs in PA have already had 100+ applicants for tryouts.
Yeah the PA ECNL club's are drawing a ton on interest. Heard they may add another club in the North Eastern PA area.
My eldest went through this whole ECNL, top club thing. I wonder if most of you get what a dog and pony show it has become. After all, do the research and find out how much real money is out there for scholarships. Sure, there are scholarships but when you finally get the dollars, its not what most of you think. All this crazy behavior for so little gain.
I have one that just went through and it was an awesome experience and she is going to one of the top schools in the country, one that she never would have been excepted to without it. What program was she with and what age group? do you have a child at this age group? What are your plans that are so much better?
Rage the real deal, cmon. they went to jeff cup just to chase points. they haven't played anybody in 2 years. all they've been doing is playing lower level and the same teams over and over again for points. they're full field now but went to jeff cup for 8v8, that's a point chaser
@1103 thanks for walking me through this. so for the NPL division of EDP: when will this be, and for what age group? I would like to learn what teams will be in it and when? Thanks v much.
@1211. Npl within Edp just started. Looks like they are running u13 to u 18 npl schedules. But seems to be just their top flight at Edp. So if ur looking, look for teams in flight 1 or 2 of Edp. Or ne npl to tryout for. Those will be the top flights in the next two years. Some town teams with good records will make it there too but that's on a team by team basis.
@9:48 I hear ya so true. Parent's have the blinders on, while drinking that cool aid. It's all about being the best whatever that may be!
shut up and worry about your own. You have no clue - you just don't have a child who has the right stuff. Moveon.org needs your support.
@8:03 Last I heard was that SJEB and Lehigh Valley, as well as a Lancaster club, applied for ECNL status but were denied.Looking at last tryout dates for clubs :FC Bucks 4/16NJ Rush 4/26SJEB 4/30Match Fit 5/5CFC 5/7PDA South 5/10Penn Fusion 5/13PDA North 5/19Couldn't find tryout info for RAGE FC.Going to be some squeezing.
@2:38-Yes heard the same thing of the denial but still within U.S. club's scope probably waiting a few years before added 1 or 2 more clubs. Geographically those are the ideal clubs but it's a waiting game for them now.I also heard a few North NJ clubs submitted them as well.
@237 while im not the op. i do get it, our two older kids both got scholarships. he naturally excelled in soccer. his feet the ball and the yard. we didn't need an academy to get him noticed. heck not many academies were around. they were there scouting another boy on the opposing team. he was offered a full scholarship and accepted. our daughter was a runner. Same story with her. No extra anything, her passion for running and hard work got her a scholarship. I speak from experience with my own kids. The scholarship most are chasing when you get there, IF you get there, its very difficult on the kids. the training and schedule, school work its not a cake walk they own your kids. relax and let your kids enjoy being 12.any folks on here with older kids? times have changed and so many more choices and clubs out there then when my older two were this age.
@2:38 Rage FC is merging with NJ Rush. Looks like tryout dates are 4/12 and 4/26.
@344 - you are a liar and a troll.
9:09: No, sorry, 3:44 is pretty accurate.See the most current NCAA stats:http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2015pro.pdfHere's the womens soccer stats:Soccer 374,564 26,358 7.0% 2.4% 1.8% 2.8%So about 7% will play in college. Div 1 (2.4%) and Div 2 (1.8%) can give athletic scholarships. Whats the average given??Look at this recent article:http://www.cnbc.com/id/101980451so if you look at the NCAA stats, about 2.4% of HS players will go Div 1. About 53% of them will get 'some' money. Average scholarship amount for a women's soccer player: $14K. Nothing to sneeze at but most kids will do better with academic scholarships.So - Paying 3K a year or more for the privilege to be in an academy - is it worth the investment? For most, if you're only in it for that, your better off saving your money for when you child actually goes to college.There is so much disinformation on this board. The people who harp about PDA, MatchFit, etc. are probably part of the orgs and make their living by convincing all of you that you have to go that route to get to play in college and get a scholarship. The stats say you're probably wasting your money.Be informed people - know what your getting into, why your getting into it and what you really might get out of it.
Wow over 100+ girls wanting to tryout for EACH of the 2 out of 3 ECNL teams?? That's crazy!! I guess that will be a hard pick! I didn't realize the pool was so large! Good Luck to all the girls!
12:13am - yea sure, just ignore the reality of the post from 12am.Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead - thats your motto, huh?
@12:13 holmdel will get the same numbers or more for ecnl. all middle town will be there. njx will take one or two middle towm we know the game. may be more cause we know the top players from njx will run for better competition, dedication no momma coach. momma bear was the 1st runner more follow.
Clubs that are selling college scholarship route have a lot to gain by promoting their brands on youth soccer forums. Is a kid's time in college better spent moving on to other pursuits than soccer? Families and players that have come to that realization have no incentive to vocal about it.
Stop the non-sense we are still at U12. At u14/15 is when everything will change for your daughters. The ECNL/NPL teams will have greater turnovers now than 2/3 years ago with the amount of pressure placed upon your kids and yourselves as parents at those ages. It is a much different scenario now with many of these top level teams trying to stay on the top GS rankings, and ECNL/NPL leagues. Putting strains on coaches to make changes every year and the bottom 3rd of each of those u14/15/16 teams more unhappy parents and kids that will leave sport.
Why would you let a few soccer clubs control whether or not you continue to play this sport or leave it? Find a good spot for your kid and play soccer. It is a great game. Don't let some soccer club dictate your life with soccer because you are unhappy with some aspect of that team.
Why does it have to be about a scholarship? I see the opportunity for my daughter as a chance to get into a better school because it is fact that schools love student athletes. All things being equal, they will take an accomplished athlete all day long. Ivy League does not give athletic scholarships but if she gets into that school because of soccer then it is all worth it.
thanks for posting the link to that CNBC piece and the stats article. great stuff. the smart person would find a wonderful club where she can enjoy the sport, become really great, develop like crazy, and use the time she would have spent driving to far away ECNL matches to get better grades. You'll be happier, the kid will be happier.
Spend a ton of money, so you can be in the top 2% who play D1 soccer, which is like having a full-time job in addition to trying to get an education, then come out and coach soccer at PDA. Sounds like a great path!
It is very much having a job and the players need to ask is the reward worth it. Do an in depth cost benefit analysis of committing to collegiate soccer.
@1211 I played in College, and I loved it. My sister and brother also played sports in College as well and loved it. We are now all successful adults, and I believe that is due to our need to balance our sports and academics at a young age.My daughter loves soccer and enjoys playing at a high level. I let her play where she wants because she can play there and it is affordable for me. If she chooses to continue to play through college, so be it. I know she will not mind the work involved academically and athletically. In fact, I know it will teach her organizational skills, better study habits, and provide less opportunities for her to get in trouble. @1152 If she graduates and wants to coach soccer, and help other young players learn the sport she loves, so be it as well. As long as she can pay her bills and be happy, it is fine with me.
It can work for some and not for others. Just be careful. Some challenging majors are very difficult to schedule with a sports commitment.
@1:02 For some it works and thats great. I too played and have a daughter that plays now. If you can do more after school with it, even better. But for all of that, you're in the minority.And I think the point is that spending a ton of $$ to play in an academy doesn't insure you get in D1, D2 or D3 - and it doesn't mean you'llget alot of $$ in a scholarship as a return on your investment. The odds aren't great for either event.The people on this blog hyping academies and ECNL, etc. either work for those orgs, or were lucky enough to have a child make it that way and have missed the larger reality out there. It should be seen as it is - a long shot and not a way to get back you investment. thank God some hard facts to cut through all this were finally published and show the truth.Have your kid have fun with the sport - if you want to spend bucks on more great - but don't foster that as the be all and end all way to go. It ain't.
@139It is definitely not the end all be all. However, there is a difference between a town travel and an academy program. The game is different.If you send your child to an Academy for a scholarship, well yes I agree you are way off. My daughters only sport is soccer however, and she is happy and playing well where she is. My other children and their friends children play multiple sports, and honestly, the cost is abut the same. A nephew boxes, he pays twice the amount of an ecnl club. And have you ever seen a bill for a dance troupe?? or drama classes.My daughter is where she is because she loves it, we have fun where she is, and I hope it stays that way, and I hope she can do whatever it is she wants to do.
@2:04 First, glad to have this discussion.To your points, first I would say that justifying spending 3K+ a year for soccer because for another sport or activity you'd spend more isn't really a valid justification in my mind. Its like saying you steal cars and I only steal tvs, so what I do is ok compared to you :-).I think its a shame that its come this - that everything is so pay to play oriented and that the parents foster and support it because they think it will result in their child getting into a D1 program and/or big scholarships.I would agree that some of the better academies will certainly play a better brand of soccer then many town teams. But not all. And certainly you'll agree there are plenty of pseudo academies out there that are just that - pseudo/pretenders. However are even the good academies as good because of the price they charge to pay the full time coaches or is it because they get more kids to choose from - whom if they stayed home would do just as well in the right town program. I'd submit it could have been done in the towns but we've all bought the cool aid - now we rush to pay big bucks to the academies and they naturally are better because they get more talent - so the cycle is self fulfilling. Your daughter is getting good training and developing and is happy - and for you the $$/time aren't an issue. And thats all great - I wish you and her much success. I just agree with the other posts that there's a lot of hype around the academy/ECNL path and I think you can still find good alternate programs that cost less and give you the same or nearly the same changes for less $$ and less investment in time. Again, best of luck to your daughter and you.
typo: above was meant to read "nearly the same chances..."
Kids that play for some town teams are recruited by ECNL clubs. That is a fact. IF the town teams were of such poor quality, why would any ECNL club even look at their players?
@305. I agree we made this system. But I also know the system was around when I grew up, it was just different sports. Then for girls it was gymnastics where I lived. I happened to be too tall. So the system just changed lanes and my daughter is chest deep and blissfully happy. (Except for all the snow that killed the start of the season) I don't quite understand your analogy, but then quite a bit is lost in these blog conversations. I Didn't choose this sport or the fees, my daughter did. But every sport she has played has had high end costs if she chose to play travel That was my only analogy. Further, @630, there are some wondeful town teams, but there aren't a lot. The parent coach model stops working when they become 14/15. The girls are moving too fast. The fact that players are recruited to ecnl usually means that the town team can't Compete once that star player departs. But in the end, I do agree, don't pay because you think your child is getting a D1 scholarship. Pay because your daughter loves the game. Pay because she wants to play. Not because you think you can sell her off to a college. enjoy the ride. Pretty soon they will be on their own and working and making their own family. Without regard to what style soccer they played at 12.
The quality town programs should be celebrated and not disparaged. For most kids, this is their opportunity to play this sport. A high level, high priced club is not a realistic option for the majority, regardless of a child's talent. There are no parent coaches (although I certainly can appreciate a good parent coach) at my town club. The unpaid time and energy of volunteers is crucial to the club's success. The club's non-profit mission of promoting the sport in the community is not just lip service and they accommodate all interested with teams of varying competitive levels. Of course there are complaints. As in all organizations, the unhappy speak more loudly than the happy.Take the measure of a club by how they treat the least skilled player, not the best.
A town can be just as costly because the majority of town teams bring in hired trainers anyway. Rarely you see a town team have a daddy coach all the way through the U16 years.
No way as costly. $730 per kid for fall and spring including training, games, uniform (no new uniform every year - you get a uniform and replace as needed) and one tourney each season. Winter another $350 if you can manage it for 20 sessions (10 on turf, 10 futsal in gym). Usually one away tourney for teams that have enough interested players - this has to be paid for by team members - it runs about $150 per kid for fee and coaching + hotel. This is pretty comparable to at least one other pro- trained town program I am aware of.Inquiries have been made about by high level teams about certain players and kids have left and made pre-ECNL teams so their are capable players at this club.
Sorry but I disagree, when your daughter reaches U15/16/17 and is wanting to play college and your still on a town team you'll end spending an abundance of funds & Time traveling and attending college camps and other ways to get your daughter recruited and recognized. If the new landscape is to go ECNL/NPL so be it! You'll end saving funds later down the line by coaches attending these games or seeing these girls at ID2 and TIP programs that are benefits when you are on a ECNL/NPL team. Town clubs have a are hard time recommending players to those ID programs which are free.So when your playing town your spending the amount like the prior post said + recruitment camps and ODP which end up being just as equal with more hard work and time.
Who said a a town club offers much exposure to trying to play in college? It is what is available to most players and should be supported as such. Some will make it to college from these programs but they are not designed for that purpose like the ECNL. If you can afford ECNL and make the team, go for it and good luck if that suits your player.
ID2 is hardly "free". You are paying a pretty penny to the clubs from which those players are selected.
What made us look at an academy club was the coach was not the true coach. In order to "field" a team kids were in positions where they didn't belong. It was more about feeding the parents ego. It was like placing them in a race and ting their legs together. Most town teams cant make true cuts because the numbers at tryouts just aren't there and talent isn't running to a town team either. We left our town team two years ago and my daughter loves it where she is now. I have to say a few local town teams are very productive though. Whatever makes your child happy.
There are great town programs and poor ones and quality and poor academy programs as well. Do your homework and no place is perfect.
State cup update - PDA Crew over Arsenal Fury 3-1
Coppa lost to who today?
I think they combined their two 8v8 teams to play against a 11v11 team.
I think the score was 3-0 lost to coppa.
Who beat coppa?
More importantly, who shot who at the Copa?
Arsenal Fury is a team who has can hang with academy teams, stinks they loss. I know most on here are pro academy, but Fury, Twin County, and Monmouth Coast are my personal favorite town teams.Great job Crew hard fought win!
Any scores today?
How were the Cherry Hill parents today?
Cherry hill pounded up on NJX sol?
NJX/MFA 2-0 over Cherry Hill
WOW! Finally NJX can score! Something changed that's for sure. Somebody knows what they are doing.
njx won but they didn't pass the ball well, all they did was have the big girls in the back play kick ball. the new coach should fix that. good job on the win njx. off to a good start.
Yea, unfortunately NJX lacks passing skills and are still a kick and run team. Sadly that will hurt the team as they play the more advanced and skilled players.
NJ Rush over IGFA 2-1
Rush and rage look like the teams to beat this year. Put them together and Galaxy will have one tough team to compete with, but they never will being in ecnl. Looking forward to seeing crew-rage score in state cup. 3 to 1 rage is my prediction.
SJEB beat Rush 2-1 in EDP Open Cup play yesterday, they are the team to beat not Rush.
Sjeb are good, but they get beat a lot. Very inconsistent team. Also losing two players to PA teams soon.
There is no team to beat, any of these u12 spring games for the NJ teams can go either way. I for one am glad to see this so we can have more quality teams at this age as they get older. Even the NJX and Cherry Hill Game @ 2-0 was still a close game for a town team. I have an older daughter @U16 and she is on a desired team in NJ but the majority of the competition is out of state. Unfortunately it takes a toll on the players and parents with the abundance of travel we do and balancing life.
@2:09 Would you mind sharing what you did with your 16 year old? At what age did you break away from a town team? Was she a starter or did she need to work for it? Any information you could share would be helpful. I am thinking of letting my daughter tryout for an academy team, Match Fit or PDA. What will you do differently with your u12 player?
So funny that a Cherry Hill parent can come on here and bash a 12 year old team just because you lost!! Your an embarrassment to your daughter!!
@ 2:24 PM - I actually started transitioning her at end of U13 and moved her to her at U14. Landscape within many clubs have changed a lot due to ECNL/NPL leagues though vs. 2 years ago where they not as exposed yet. If your daughter is that high of a player and works hard a PDA/MatchFit/World Class will not pass her up. @U12 & U13 save the funds because once you hit U15/16 your spending a pretty penny with travel expenses, College camps, Tourney's, etc. I see two aspects now if your daughter is in the middle-top tier of her team that competes at a high level I wouldn't worry about moving her yet, but if your daughter is towards the bottom I would at least see if she get's notice because it may be harder for her to get on later.
@2:44 She is more of the middle-upper player who still needs work. She is playing against strong teams and has been there 2 years. I will keep her put. When deciding what club to tryout at, what should you base your decision on? Any input on PDA, MF, or ECNL or are they all the same? Can you play for your high school if your on an academy team? Thank you for your help @2:44
Have tryout any way she could be a middle-upper on her current team but if she is not playing in one of the top divisions in EDP right now she could be a bottom player on one of those teams.
Currently girls are allowed to play high school. It is only on the boys side where there are true academies that they cannot.My two cents - Combo of Rage and NJ Rush is interesting. Both good teams but very far apart so I guess they won't play together too often, but if they did, that would be a very good team.SDFC is a very nice team with good skills and play a nice short passing game. Very impressed with this coach and have been since U-8. He has a vision and is sticking to it.FC Maximus has stayed 8v8 to focus on development. Thought his team was very skilled last time we played them - one of the best that we played at u-10. Yes, that is a while ago but his team had great skills and sophisticated passing at that age. Can only imagine it is better now. So kudos to them for sticking with their vision and now making a relationship with world class. It will only enhance the team at world class program. SJEB - love the way this team plays. Don't understand why people leave here. Yes, they lose some but that is because the coach is not chasing the wins. High quality coach who is teaching the girls to play the game right and he is a class act to boot.You guys can all hate- I will tell you that I have loved to watch every time we have played these teams. I recognize that none of these are the PDA/MF thing that people like to talk about and love to love or love to hate, but I think there is some great coaching, development and competition at this age outside of the ECNL clubs and I think we should celebrate it. It makes this age group interesting and hopefully getting to play against each other with these different styles will make all of the girls better no matter what team they play on. This age group is very lucky.
@ 4:52 very well written. I agree the Rush movement in NJ should be interesting not sure how it will end up since some of those girls will end up with PDA/MatchFit later due to ECNL status. SDFC & SJEB play a similar style and very innovative passing game Glad the coaches are sticking to there vision it will only help the girls later vs now. FC Maximus will explode due because a few players will end up being pulled up to World Class ECNL squad later and the other half upset. I foresee this happening - PDA/MatchFit wont let FC Maximus have a ECNL team in NJ. Also don't forget IGFA, TSF, NJ Wildcats these clubs will essentially pull stronger girls in as well.
IGFA, NJ Wildcats shouldn't be in the conversation. Both are clubs who hold little to no pull at the older ages where reputation gets you into tournaments.
IGFA is very good at u14 , they are beating everyone. There are to many start ups in north jersey, all the talent is spread out.
NJ Wildcats are good at u13 as well, plus they are partners with Sky blue.
copa is a partner with sky-blue, wildcats are partners with valkyries
Hey 2:00pm. How do you know that two kids are leaving SJEB ? I know there will be some movement, but tryouts haven't started.
Has SJEB ever won the state cup? Or the pda kickoff or any big time tourney for that matter? How'd the Jeff cup go in the 2nd division? Just asking, their always on here bragging about their wins, seriously have they?
Galaxy pounded SJEB 3-0, they'll never be the team to beat, that's all Galaxy
Movement doesn't happen after tryouts, girls go to practices at teams they want to join. There several new girls at practice every week on the top teams I'm sure. I would like to hear from Galaxy about how many girls join their practice every week?
8:48 COPA is partner with sky blue, Wildcats are wildcats , IGFA is partner with Valkyries.Copa will feed the reserve team of sky blue( not the first team) wildcats and Valkyries are W league teams.
SJEB is a fine club, but the close proximity to PDA South can cause issues. Kids think they can do better, and that may not be the case. However, with a high turnover each year, it can be tough to develop chemistry and trust with players.SJEB '02 coach is very good. But, there are cracks in the armor. Say what you will about development, but he was coaching to win in the games that I saw. And he was not nice about how the girls were playing on that particular day. Especially at the Penn Bubble event this year.At the end of the day, they're 11 and 12 years old, some even younger, but the landscape changes so much in the next few years. If those kids go to PA, I wish them the best of luck. You have to be 100% positive that it's the right thing to do.Hard to say no to a DOC that will be coaching a U13 pre-ECNL team. Also interesting that Continental/FC Delco plucked Shane Coyne away from West Chester/Penn Fusion.Choices will be made. Folks will get upset. Money will be spent. It really is an endless cycle, but nobody really knows anything until U14-15.
@10:25 why do you care so much about NJX?
I noticed there passing is a bit better , but they still have that one girl that jumps in the air and gets in everyone way, new coach needs to squash that.
This is interesting, we don't know much about the pa teams, but have always heard the best from the south end up there. Thanks for the insight and any more would be appreciated, not asking about what girls are doing what, just more about the pa clubs.
PDA Nova will be the team to beat this spring. They are getting stronger and building chemistry more and more.
@4:03 Very true thank you never thought of that.@4:52 Thank you again.
"PDA Nova will be the team to beat this spring"Welcome back Joe T! What's your take on this SJA club out of Berkeley?
If you are thinking of moving, don't forget to go to a game and see the team in action to assess if your daughter is similar to the types of players that coach gives a lot of time to. You need to understand if your kid will fit in with what that coach is trying to do. In addition to you liking the coach, you want to make certain to find a coach that likes the way your kid plays as not all coaches value the same thing. If you are somewhere where you child is getting good training, playing competitive games with a good team and the coach likes your kid's style/plays your child a lot, I would think twice before I moved at this age. Plenty of time for a move when the girls are older (u-14or u-15) if they decide that is what they want.
I see a lot of people on this blog mentioning U14/15 years. Just curious why as I am looking for my daughter to join an academy team now why U14/15 is more critical.
It doesn't matter by the time our daughter's reach U14/15. The landscape may change and go by Calendar Year for age groups in U.S. Club this will match what the boys are doing on the USDA side. In 2 years things may look different. I suggest if you are on a good team with good training ride it out till then.
You will see more discrepancies in size/speed/physical play at the younger ages as some girls have matured, while younger ones have not. Once everyone has matured by 14 or 15, now you're on a somewhat equal level playing field. The kids that were scoring goals by the bunches at the youth levels may now struggle. ECNL teams will have speed and size up and down the lineup, so those faster kids that were scoring goals by the bunches at younger ages are now coming up against defenders that are just as athletic and just as fast.The game moves to more of a 'mental' aspect, and you are only as good as your preparation, at which point your coach now becomes important. Dump and chase tends to get phased out, unless a team is pressing ridiculously high.Most kids have obtained proper technical training, so the mental game can make or break them. Intensity during training is just as important as intensity in games.Teams that have won cups at U9/U10 tend to disappear rather quickly. From my experience, everything up until U14/15 should be about fun and creativity.
I thought tsf partnered with Valkyries ?And don't those two ---tsf and igfa ---have some kind of relationship as well?
8:48pm get your facts straight. Wildcats are affiliated with Sky Blue.http://www.njwildcats.com/home/618781.html
8:40 Thanks for posting the link for Wildcats & Skyblue affiliation. This just shows how many non-informative parents are on this blog just talking and researching detail. Darn Know it All parents need to stop talking and stirring pots as well.
Wildcats not relevant at this age group and never will be.This is a very strong age group and many options. Pda n is the best. Rage is the best in the south now, but probably won't continue at older ages. MF is a disaster. Sdfc is the only club I see that has potential staying power, they need to get a few more players from clubs like tsf and IGFA in n nj. FC m will dissolve into WC and hopefully help them compete some day. I know people don't want PDA s to succeed, but is probably is the best option for girls in the south. Nj Rush is solid, I hope they continue the success, but not what GS ranking show them as, average team at this age group, which is still very good.
@12:15pm - How can you can say "Wildcats are not relevant and never will be" You never know it can take 2/3 good players that move into a team to have a team start competing. I do agree this age group is strong in NJ but things change especially in the next 2 years. If you look closer to the two age groups above us U13/U14 you will see Wildcats and IGFA have quality teams. Many NJ teams have disappeared as well from 2 years ago. Someone needs to take a screen shot of Gotsoccer then repost it 8 months from now after 2015 Fall I guarantee we'll see a lot of changes between the teams you have mentioned.
Do you know why teams disappear? Because crap coaches rely on recruitment. Why not develop the players you have- isnt that what you parents pay $2300-$3200 a year for? Instead of going on an on about your useless garbage of analyzing what the future holds, why don't you do your research on coaches that coach teams within this age group an see what their past achievements are/were- and no I'm not talking about got soccer. You idiot parents are so clueless and I love it bc you will buy into everything tht you hear. Do your research clowns. There are 3 coaches within this age group who have coached and developed NOT RECRUITED their players for many years who have reached US national status and top division one scholarships. God you all are sad
@619What I find amusing is that you think everyone else is a "know-it-all" meanwhile, it appears to be you. Everyone has their own opinion. It is what it is. If you have some special knowledge, please fee free to share it, but the berating at the same time from a pompous ____, is necessary.As for town teams, it is my opinion that few town teams survive high school because the best players get grouped in the higher level clubs. It is recruitment and branding. It happens in all forms of sports, and business. Town teams can have the best coach, but unless the town has the rep a place like PDA has, it can not compete at higher levels.
Okay, I must be a clown. Who are three coaches?
6:19 I curious who are the 3 coaches? If you don't want to divulge then where can I find that information. Thx
I'm curious who posted something that had to be pull off the blog? That may be a new low.
@ 6:19very ignorant. You can have an awesome coach, but doesn't mean he can turn a child into some amazing soccer player if that child just doesn't have it in them. So there is nothing wrong with recruiting some players later on who do have it in them and who have played somewhere else. Players still have to learn the game even at the older ages. You can't teach speed and you can't teach physicality. Either the player has got it or they don't.
You can teach physicality. It is the one thing you can teach. it is not a skill just an expectation and learned response to the right stimulus.
If your looking for a solid team on the town level look into Monmouth Coast, Freehold Arsenal Blue, Twin County Storm. IMO they are solid with a proven record.
Twin County not in the same league as either of the other two.Coast is good but kick/run.Freehold is strong - improved alot by taking in some of the old Jackson Gunners.
I guess your right about the physicality. Could be taught I suppose. But I don't think every child will really have it in them. and does anyone really know why the Jackson Gunners broke apart? That's a shame.
PDA over NJ Rush 3-2 in Spring State Cup Play. Maybe someone was right PDA is team to beat this spring.
3 - 2 over Rush is really not that big of a difference in score. Doesn't sound like they crushed them. Sounds pretty even to me. Can anyone that seen the game say how the teams played?
@9:40 Which PDA team is the one to watch? It seems all three have started strong this spring.
Very embarrassing for RUSH, but doesn't surprise me at all. They are a average team will GS points. Nice win nova.
Things are coming in line, PDA Galaxy, Crew, Nova becoming stronger teams 2 years from now the top half of those 3 teams will be put together for ECNL play and these so called Gotsoccer point chasers will be that point chasers.
Galaxy will be the ECNL team, along with 2-3 others from all the other PDA teams. No chance it's the top half from the other teams.
The game was far far from even. 2 different styles of soccer. NJ Rush is a kick and run club. Very ugly and direct style to watch. Wins games for them now, but long term, not good. Even down a 10 players PDA worked the ball better, more creative and had better soccer ideas. NJ Rush has very fast forwards they just smash the ball too. 4 coaches giving different information never helps. Rush parents wake up, you're paying the mother ship in highland to get what? Win at all cost training and still township vibe with last name on hoodies instead of team name. Still think they are going ECNL.
The ultra competitive "let them eat cake" arrogant academy team vibe is much better. Sign me up so I can start bashing those town teams.
Agree 100% with 9:48. Galaxy will be the ECNL team - they didn't change their roster this year and probably won't next year. If there are any additions, they probably won't come from within.
Galaxy has changed their roster this year and im sure they will continue to. They have a solid team, but like most have players that will be asked to move down and I'm sure there are several players that can move up as well.The team will be 20 to 22 rostered by 14 and that leaves about 6 spots open over the next year or so. Then you will see fewer additions and less leaving. This will happen with all of the top teams in state, region and country.
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