12:56 - I think it is much more likely that this happens; that the DA actually further dilutes the talent pool between DA, ECNL, and NPL. We can only be sure that the DA will cost the club more to support, and if they are losing membership as a result, they will drop it. It seems likely that the cost will remain high, so I really do not see any benefits over ECNL.
The current choices are equally exclusionary in terms of distance, cost and time right now. Perhaps the fee free choice will be able to serve some of those talented players struggling with the financial costs. The Da will not include that many players so I think all these leagues can survive in some form. If not, the market will have spoken.
Is there really a marketplace in US Women's soccer for DA? From my experience a lot of parents seek "winning (x2), prestige and playing-up" as symbols of club where they would wish their kids to play. DA seems to go against that grain. I wish DA was a supplemental program that worked along clubs.
There is a big market for it in the upper middle class bubble. That is why it exists.
Why are EDP Cup having finals and 3rd/4th playoffs on the Monday?
For the same reason WAGS finals are on Monday, it's a holiday for many and field use can be spread out (or there is more hotel use if you are a cynic).
EDP Cup gives teams the option for 2 day or 3 day as some schools are not off on Columbus Monday. That's why all the brackets seemed screwed up with good teams in lower brackets, because it was split 3 day then 2 day.
Is brentwood/atletico the old ISA team? They seem to be putting on some impressive games these days.
8:15am. What impressive games are you talking about? Them losing to Clarkstown, SUSA, SDFC, HMMS, South Shore since the start of the Season? Or them winning against the NYSC B team, Princeton, Manhattan, East Islip and Baltimore?
the same. brentwood was so bad last year, so im impressed they are putting up wins and seem to be playing close games..btw. whats the nysc hierarchy?
Not sure what the shout is for, arsenal placed third in a average bracket. Keep in mind, when the the girls from high school come back in late fall and spring, then you will see some really tough teams playing.
I think you are lost, parent whose daughter used to play for Maximus.They are playing U15
That could be about 30 kids..
How is EDP going to handle final placement given they had to bail on the 2nd day of matches? Any reason more top teams didn't show up to EDP?
12:01pm. No points get awarded when tournaments get cancelled due to weather
Pda probably would have won, not that they are so good, just no comp. and they don't care about or need points.
I had clarkstown as a favorite to win! PDA not in this bracket
So MF has horrible teams at every level and now they have lost their DA status. This club is done, sad.
They declined DA. It wasnt taken from them.
any idea why a club would decline DA if they were accepted?
The cost of the DA all in is close to 6K per kid not including travel which is easily another 4k. MFA does not have deep pockets, it's a player funded not for profit and I do not think they thought they could find 75 kids who were DA caliber, who would be able to make the commitment and be willing to pay. The commitment is huge, 4 days per week, no other sports, no HS soccer. I am sure they talked to a lot of kids who would be interested and the response was lukewarm. Think of the poor parents. Wait until you see the scores of some of these DA games, half the clubs will bail as soon as they can is my guess. There is good news, nobody has to go to buffalo, they put the WNY Flash in a league that goes to Illinois.Remember for MFA, they are rebuilding their club after relocating the ECNL teams to Denville. this would have been an ambitious endeavor.
The other side for MFA is that they frankly don't have 20 kids in the club who would be interested in the DA, who are DA caliber. They would have to recruit 50-60 kids, not realistic and not something anyone there wanted to do. If they have been in Denville for 3-5 years, may have been more likely. The older kids have very little interest in the DA.
MFA still struggling with ECNL in most age groups, and they like to move players between teams throughout the season. So taking top 11 players from each age group and "locking them in" for a DA team would totally destroy their other ability to compete in other leagues as well as the carrot/stick mentality of moving players.
The only ECNL teams playing right now are U14. Last years teams were all good, none struggled. How are they struggling in all age groups?
Your points all make sense (not 100% agreement) but I wonder why they initially applied to begin with, they had DA on the boys side so knew what, at the very least, what it was about. I highly doubt (could be wrong of course) That USSF would change the format for GDA.I think their dilemma could be said for almost all the ECNL teams except maybe for the ones that have the financial backing of a pro club or private investor.Eventually with ECNL or GDA one will dilute the other too much and only one will prevail. Then there will be some very good soccer players without teams to play on and then those players will be fighting to get into that one league that wins.....then back to where we started. Unbelievable that these 2 organizations could not get together and simply create another division within the current structure that teams COULD enter into if they wanted without another complete new setup. Way too many chiefs getting/involved in US soccer for us to develop consistently as a nation.
Maybe they sold their rights (unreported under the table) to CEDAR
Cedars stars is building their headquarters in Tinton Falls I beleive, so thats in that freehold area if im not mistaken. Seems like Cedar stars will be strong competitive to PDA. Both have big money owners who will spend like crazy to build out their club. Cedar stars is maybe more innovative and has more current trainers.
MF pulling out of DA for "Player Developmental Reasons". What a load of nonsense. I presume that is their stance after the Girls DA told the 03 ECNL team that right now they're the face of MF ECNL and their performances aren't good enough in ECNL as they've lost every game?? All about development over there.
** Girls DOC not Girls DA. Oops
Cedar Stars better hope for a huge turnout at tryouts for their DA. CSA needs to offer free tuition for GDA for all age groups in order to make it attractive. CSA has something good here, let's see if they blow it.
Hearing cedar stars complete mess.
MFA 2003 group has had some injuries, and depth is a problem. But grow up. You seem like you're in 8th grade, which I guess could be possible. 2003 group is better than their record. Let's see how they do this weekend.
What is the strategy at CS in having only the older age groups tuition free? Why not try to attract as may as possible in all the age groups?
stop kidding yourself. a team is only as good as their record or a combo of their record and excuses. MF2003s is an average group at best. no standouts at all.
Every team has injuries. We have 4 starters sitting out and getting by just fine. Sounds like you are blaming your lower half, we all have them too. How is your commute to practice these days?
Any MF-PDA score from this morning?
I see they they tied WC yesterday. Looks like they just play defense against every team. One goal all season.
Match Fit club is a disgrace. This age group is not altered by injuries. Problem is the coaching and the players. Coaches in club is a disgrace, DOC barely shows up and when he does, he is on the phone the whole time. New USA Coach, is a disaster. Really you cry when a parent confronts you, you are an embarrassment to the so called Coaching Fraternity. Every age group from U15 below will struggle bad this year. I am not familiar with older teams, assume they will be competitive. 2003 age group 1 goal for and 16 against. This team is comparable to FC Bucks, laughing stock baby
ouch! thats a scathing review of this club. with so many great clubs and positive environments available, at this age, why would anyone roll the dice on such a messy situation? Go elsewhere, quickly!
just looked at MFA results. 6 games, no wins, 1 goal for, a whole lotta against. next match, they have to drive 4 hours one way to Mass beyond boston for another scoop of humble pie, a miserably long ride out and a painful ride back. all to probably score no goals, get no points, but all because my daughter really loves the sports!! ha ha.
MF just took any player to those younger teams even though not of quality. Better players went elsewhere. I would never go another one of their teams. Stay away. Listen to what people to what people have to say. All true
MFA is always on twitter bragging for the dumbest little things. So today is the biggest day for bragging rights in NJ.ECNL clubs and they lost to PDA 5-0 and 2-0 at U13 and 1-0 and 4-0 at U14 AND they just forfeited the U15 game because they don't have enough players!!Not a word on their feed...#wegotourbuttskickedtodaybyTHEPDA
Sounds like an angry ex matchfit parent who kid got dumped. MF is a lost cause right now, but let's hope they get it together. NJ needs another strong club after PDA. To many half ass clubs splitting up the talent and promising parents the world. Clubs like stallions, crush, sdfc all need to go away... They are all money grabs and one level above rec and only keep a few top players each, can never compete. This is one of the reasons MF is so weak. They are really just the old NJX teams with a few additions.
@1:17, You do realize this is about Girls Soccer, right? Please locate your maturity or find a new obsession.
hell, a 0:1 against the top team in the conference is not bad. i understand that its hard to play possession against a team that packs 11 players in the box, but a 1 goal loss must not be that bad.i have no clue how the game went down, but on paper it has a sense of #whew
bickering and going tit for tat is not going to help us as a nation to continue to get better at soccer. what we should be looking at is not the losses (some team will always lose) but how does the team play. At 0-1 loss could have been a great match , 1-2 could have been great...heck i have even seen matches that a team lost 0-3 or so but yet played great.How many times have we seen a youth match where both teams are playing hard, playing good soccer but then one team lets a goal in (on a mental break down) and there spirit gets broken and the deluge begins. What we should look at is are they learning, are they trying things , are they developing skills, are they being taught a system by the coaching staff that they can emulate in the matches. If they are not then those teams should be evaluated by the leagues admin and should be dealt with. At some point these teams, coaches and leagues need to have some accountability. They should not be allowed to simply be allowed to collect peoples money.
The MFA NPL team got crushed by PDA Crew. Not even one shot on goal. It looked like Crew played keep-away the entire second half, not sure if they did it the whole half because I left when my daughter got bored watching.
Anonymous said... Match Fit club is a disgrace. This age group is not altered by injuries. Problem is the coaching and the players. Coaches in club is a disgrace, DOC barely shows up and when he does, he is on the phone the whole time. New USA Coach, is a disaster. Really you cry when a parent confronts you, you are an embarrassment to the so called Coaching Fraternity. Every age group from U15 below will struggle bad this year. I am not familiar with older teams, assume they will be competitive. 2003 age group 1 goal for and 16 against. This team is comparable to FC Bucks, laughing stock baby October 16, 2016 at 7:47 PMThe person that posted the above segment sadly can only be a Matchfit Parent. Who else would even know about a coach allegedly cried when confronted. The team does have some issues and there seems to be a lot of finger pointing as to what the problem is. But the way I see it, if you are unhappy with the team then leave... Why bother standing on the sidelines acting like a tyrant and bitching about your child's lack of playing time.
8:32 is panty waste
@8:32amwhy do you choose to disparage other clubs like SDFC, Crush and Stallions? Clearly MF is not offering the level of development that players want otherwise the above referenced clubs wouldn't be getting top talent. I am a FC Crush parent and it is an amazing environment for my daughter - very little politics, no daddy coaches and quite honestly probably the strongest NPL teams in the area (look at the standings) year after year. The beauty of soccer is there is a place for all. Parity is a good thing not a bad thing. If MF, WC, FC Bucks or other "elite" clubs can't draw the best talent then maybe they are not the best programs but just have big names playing in ECNL leagues. PDA doesn't seem to have a problem drawing the top talent, tells you something.also keep in mind with girls DA, if your daughter is great, she will be found regardless where she plays.
Mf 03 is an incomplete team. After having a weak u13 pre ecnl team and losing players due to break up/ moving of club that is to be expected. Add a new coach to the mix and you see the results you get. Morr players will join. Ecnl is a big upgrade. The comments about the splintering of talent in north jersey are spot on. When your kid is a top player in order to progress they need to play with other top players and no bad players. The variance of soccer knowledge on all these teams sdfc, stallions,crush, arsenal makes it difficult for the top players to advance their game. If players cant see one or two moves ahead and are only passing to feet how does one learn to make the correct runs? So by creating mediocrity out of this parity it is actually a real disservice to the top players. Give mf time. They may have a down year but look at the college score card. Only PDA is better. Stallions is 3rd. All other clubs feed to middle tier colleges.
Crush is a very sensitive club. I'm surprised, I thought everyone has already left... One man standing in defense.
Im the defender. My kid not on team. Have seen them practice. Coach is very solid. Will just take some time and a few more players. They just tied world class. Another victim of over clubbed north jersey.
Wasnt it said that Crush was an excellent feeder for the top teams?If so they must do something very well at the younger levels.
Crush is so good. They are the best at developing kids in the whole world. I wish my kid could make crush. Then maybe she would make a solid d3 squad.
Hmm. U14 is when the hater parents start pumping roids.
Crush just takes the best athletes from the rec club in their town like everyone else, nice try. One year and you develop them?Every club can claim this. The high school coaches can take credit for development the national team players too, right?
Crush has a U6/U7 Academy. But yes, of course some kids come later on.I dont know what you are smoking."Takes from their town...."What town is that?
The Person who posted about the MFA coach, we all know this type of deluded parent. What parent at this age even approaches the coach to talk about their kids playing time? Feel sorry for your kid. The PDA parent deserves to give MFA shit, but the MFA parent giving the coach shit is obviously a much big loser.
how about, we are being lied to and this parent confronted the lies. if you go to bed with a coward DOC and ECNL director. Well as a coach you will be subject to handle their dirty laundry. This coach cracked and cried, DOC and ECNL left her to hang
@841 torpedoes red teams. and you had no clue?
You weren't lied to, you deluded yourself into thinking your kid was ECNL caliber when she isn't. Maybe the club should have been more upfront with you and not offered ECNL. Even if you were lied to, it wasn't the coach who lied to you. Why take it out on her? Have the cajones to take it right to the DOC or ECNL Director. Probably a good idea for you to move along when the Fall season is done.
What exactly are the lies and promises not fulfilled? Just curious.
Pure conjecture here but the only thing that makes sense is they believed said kid would be a starter and now said kid not playing much. If said kid is that good why dont they move to arsenal crush or stallions where they will continue to be developed. Maybe the kid not yet ready for ecnl.
Why do Stallions keep getting mentioned on this site?! You do realize that every team below the 01/00 age isn't at a high level? Like previous posters said, even their older teams will be struggling now due to the birth year change. They've had 1 successful team who were at 3 Clubs in their time and ended up at Stallions and now Stallions are being heralded as the next option outside of ECNL!
Stallions keep getting mentioned because Shaun is the only guy in the area outside mf and pda with a strong call into colleges. I would prob say stallions is pick em with world class. Now look at the.clubs who have some talented trainers and focus on development. Stallions. Maximus. One guy from crush. Maybe sdfc. Crush sdfc and maximus dont have the college placement track record. Therefore they are great places to get your kid to A level but not long term solutions. Stallions is the best alternative to ecnl.
just so i understand, the only way for your daughter to play for a good college soccer program is for the club/coach to have relationships there?That is coming from people that know nothing about the college process and probably haven't played in college let alone HS. I have been through the D1 college process and the coach did very little. The recruitment process was based on merit alone and that is how it happens. Great players will be found. yes a coach's relationship can get a player looked at but let's be real folks. Your daughter goes to college show case, 100 college coaches on the sideline, a few acknowledge there are good players on the field and contact the coaches. that's how it goes. If you are interested in a specific college, you send a video highlight of your daughter and let them know you are interested in their program.Let's not get caught up in what program your daughter plays for, as long as they are getting the exposure opportunities can be created.
9:30am. How short sighted. So i presume based on that statement that you know EVERY coach in North/Central NJ and their relationships with Schools? Give me a break. Plenty of coaches out there know College Coaches throughout the Country. But like 10:06am said, if your daughter is good and is getting exposure then she'll get seen regardless of what Club she plays for.Most get noticed at a Showcase after sending countless of emails and then attend 2-3 of the schools camps (or vice versa), get watched a couple more times at other Showcases and then if you're lucky an offer comes in. It's not as simple as "Coach, can you give Rutgers a call for me and tell them my daughter wants to play there?". If you're joining that Club because that's what you think then i feel sorry for your daughter dealing with your lack of knowledge on the recruiting process.
10:06 that statement is a little idiotic. Thats akin to saying the only way to become a millionaire is to win the lottery. Of course there are multiple paths to every outcome. So your kid was able to do it without any assistance from coach or club. Awesome. Its just ignorant not to look at tge coach/club track record and infer that they are either good at getting them in front of the school showcases id camps etc or arr good at developing kids with college attributes. The unknown is what they do that colleges like. The known is that colleges like whatever they product they have. No one said you cant get to uva from a random club. Actually there are 6 non ecnl kids out of 30. So now ecnl vs non is 80-20. Non ecnl are lamorinda (close to ecnl) stallions, beadling pa, 2 va, one charlotte. Its just seems irrational to want to make a 20% bet. There is one answer pda. If that doesnt work mfa wc pf. Then stallions. Best of luck but I like winning bets.
10:58 is spot on. Thats why match fit will be good in a years time.
There is also a lot of potential misinformation. Like on crush site i couldnt confirm that the alumni that went to top schools rostered there. Im not saying they didnt just could not fconfirm. The stallions kids actually are playing for the schools listed. Not just attending.
Where does it say that Stallions alumni are playing there? My guess is the 2000/2001 teams going to play few notches below Match Fit in the showcase tourney. That's why a bunch of girls from Stallions joined Match Fit. Also, having Region 1/ID2 players will further attract college coaches.
You need to go into the college rosters to check. The stallikns dynamite team checks out. Did a lot of 03 stallions go to mf? Did not hear that. Their u13 team was not good.
Can anyone explain to me why you would choose sdfc? Other than u live in montclair? I have seen their kids become progressively marginal. The kids they have with solid skills all came from outside. Their teams are starting to lose. They dont advertise college placement. Whats the hook seriously?
@10:58 - what is idiotic is your complete lack of comprehention of the post. As mentioned, showcases will get a player exposure, hence the club participation, coaches can make calls, but in the end it will come down to the players ability. Neither the club nor the coach will make a call and get your daughter on the team at a college. if 20% of the players at UVA were not ECNL, one of the top girls programs in the country, then you would have to assume that lower level D1 schools likely have a larger % coming from non ECNL. Point is it is about the player not the league. Yes most of the top players are in ECNL, but that doesn't mean that is the only route. And let's agree to say this, if MF, WC, and others didnt have ECNL affiliation, they would be subpar programs, because most of the players are not developed at these clubs. The players come in to them when they desire to play at a high level more then get top training. These ECNL programs don't have to have the best training because by virtue of players coming to play ECNL, they basically get away with being subpar. The non-ECNL clubs HAVE to have better training programs to be able to stay in business and compete because they lose their best players. That's my opinion.
@1:21. I agree if the player cant play for the school then the club will not matter. Also agree there are different tiers of d1 programs it just depends on what is best for your kid. If you think your kid can be at a top level d-1 school it is almost impossible not to go ecnl. But training comes in different forms. Some kids still need intense technical only. Other kids need more awareness and team play. But the top kids by this age to keep progressing need to play with players that can push them physically and with a soccer iq high enough to challenge them mentally. It is that final stage where the ecnl adds a lot of value. Some kids may be great soccer players. Some may be great atletes but most top ecnl players have something a bit Special.
I think Crush just graduated their first class of playersHow is it they are supposed to have a collegiate track record?
1:04 Stallions Dynamite is an anomaly.It was an SDFC, a Crush team, and then for the last 2 years a Stallions team. Glory to the screamer coach. Has he found another team that can duplicate that success, even at an individual level? He had a bunch of other teams that pretty much broke apart after few years with everyone joining Match Fit or World Class (or even worse IGFA).
Just look at the crush website.
When these clubs put colleges on website, half the time these girls are going for very, very little or no money. Looking at crush, there are several not even playing currently at these schools. Not sure why, but not on rosters.Cryer even sent out a press release a few years saying that all his girls got full rides a few years back. even though several were going Ivy League. That was one he wished he never sent... All these start up clubs mean well, but they are all now in it for ego and money. They were great years ago when they were young and working for sdfc. They also have had very little exposure and experience to the our college recruitment process and have very few relationships. This is where a PDA has a huge leg up, years of relationships, experience and track records. Ecnl also helps in a big way. I know WC isn't great, but a big step up from the clubs mentioned above.
Crush has been around forever. They had great teams and put a lot of players into college say 6-10 years ago. DOC went to Stallions and took a lot of their players.
After reading all the negative comments on this u-14 match fit team. Their last 2 results were very encouraging. Tied world class and lost 1-0 to a first place pda team. Are you people serious that 6 games in you are ready to throw a team in the fire like that. Typical american sports mentality. Sad.
wow, wasn't the idea of playing sports and competing to have fun, get better at something, learning about how to part part of a strong team and a leader. Seems like the lesson many of you have been taught and then are teaching your kids is something of elitism. You can bang on Crush all you want, but i can tell you that the girls on our team adore one another, love the coach, love the program. our parents, for the most part, dont sit around talking trash about other teams and just enjoy whatever success is lucky enough to fall on us. Since when is it admirable to be an obnoxious elitist talking down to others because you elected to go to an elitist but less successful program? Have you ever wondered whether your kid would even have a spot on that illustrious but lesser quality team if the top 2,3 from all the "halve-nots" decided to come to tryouts?When the dust settles and her playing days are over, I think you'll realize you made way too much of this unnecessary. How you act, is how your daughter will act.
The coach is mellowing out since the split from stallions. He still has to tendency to drive girls real hard which may be too much for some kids.
These guys are all jumpersSdfc, crush, stallions all the same.
Those clubs should all merge and then would have one really good team. Could create a DA. And be really strong. As it stands each has just 1-3 good players.
Even with 3 good players per team, and a 3 way merger it would be hard to field a 22 person DA team.
But its 2 birth year groups. So 12 per year.
coaches jump from all programs all the time PDA keeps most trainers but WC, MF have lost many of their top trainersMaximus coach has one of the best from WCMF Coach just left for WC and took players with himWC top coach left and at Clarkstown nowSDFC and Crush (other then Cryer Stallions team) are in a higher league then Stallions - SDFC and Crush girls end up leaving and going to PDA, WC and MF. If SDFC or Crush were granted ECNL or DA they would keep and get more talent then WC and MF - better training better organized clubs. We end up at places that we don't necessarily want to be because that is where the highest level of competition is once over U15. Been there done that
Let it go crush. You have no fields and no teams. You have lost every good player you have ever had. And they all started and were trained somewhere else. Your u5 academy program is a little much....
yes, you are right, one of my daughters left as well.I guess the post was a little over your head because if you read it you would understand i said they leave. Guessing Crush rejected your daughter since you only have negative comments to say. Good luck to you. Haters end up losers.cheers
Crush is just average in the pack of B level clubs. Average players average coaches. Maybe one or 2 decent trainers. Not gonna take your kids to the next level.
People are so foolish. The Club does not take the kid to the next level, the kid takes herself to the next level. Crush has absolutely all the necessary items to allow a kid to be special and if you checked the facts you'd see several PDP, ID2, Region 1 and Select Region 1 invitees. That therein is the issue. You elitists think your inclusion in an elite invite-only cult makes you special, makes your kids special, and make sthem better. It doesn't. yes, many kids on these ecnl and gda teams are outstanding, outrageously great players and great kids with great families. My guess is that those are not the trolls surfing this site. As many up here have said, when the dust settles and this ferris wheel ends, your kid will a product of you. and lord help those kids of some of the nasty parents up here, they'll hopefully be able to be better people than you. You all are like these elite golf club richie rich folk who think that the players who work at the local courses are no good, beneath you and your precious children. Quoting this site, its a good thing many of these top kids from these secondary clubs dont want to be part of your elitist hangout else your kid probably doesnt have a spot on the team!
be thankful for the fools, for not for them the rest of us would not be successful
Elitist means that it is out of the financial reach of certain people. The cost at most of these clubs ecnl or npl is about the same. If your kid can play at the highest level why are you not seeking to compete against the highest level. Yes i get it there are kids at these other clubs that are great in their age group against current competition. How do you know where they really stand if you dont see them play against the best teams. Pf pda mfa world classs. Those teams dont play you because its a waste of their time. Just like top d1 coaches. The special kids will trickle up to the top level. And leave the mediocre clubs/teams even more mediocre. Look at the national team rosters its all ecnl. If your kid can play ecnl/da what are you waiting for? Your stubborn reluctance is only limiting her opportunities. If your kid is #1-2-3 on their team then they are not in a great spot to learn. Their learning curve slope will be flattened because of the players around them. You want your kid to find a team level to ideally be 5-9 on a roster. This way they will be pushed and challenged and learn. You need to keep moving them up levels until they either have no more levels or are in that 5-9 sweet spot. Contrarily if your kid is 11-15 maybe you should move down a level. The hardest thing is to honestly appraise your kids talent. Seek outside opinions. But if you think your kid is good enough for ecnl/da go to a practice and see if they get invited. Once you have the answer then you can decide. Does that sound so elitist?
Apparently there was an interest for NPL/ECNL competition that is getting solved - at least on the boys side:http://usclubsoccer.org/programs/leagues/elite-national-premier-league-enpl/Whole ECNL/NPL structure is troubling. Lots of weak spots, no relegation. More marketing than training provided by the respective organizations.I also have a different development model from the one mentioned above.Field players dont necessarily develop their skills by being placed against other players at a higher level on a curve. Fundamental skills are developed through deliberate practice typically based on an internal drive of a player. Passing accuracy, first touch, shooting technique are such fundamental skills. Being 1-3 or 5-9 on the team has very little to do how the kid can improve, the motivation can comes from social media, individual classes, or other events such as PDP and NTC camps. Then you have certain other skills where different degree of difficulty allows you to master them. Whether it's a 1v1 skill or group defending (which you need to develop by increasing opponent's capability - not by diving into the most difficult situation). Even being a best player in a given position does not mean you are best at every position, but can also lead to a lot of added leadership responsibility - I'm not buying that being 5-9 has any of that - and it may be a key attribute when moving out of the soccer life. Finally you can also break up the team into positions the 1-3 or 5-9 analogy does not work. For instance, when you look at barcelona's MSN - each one of the players has some unique strengths and weaknesses that they add to the mix. However, they also depend on the great midfielders. Crappy play from Rakitic or Iniesta meant they suffered 2 losses from not-so-great teams.
First of all using Barcelona as an analogy for team make up of any kids team does not work. Every player on that team has world class skill. The problem with youth teams less so with ecnl teams like pda but more pronounced on the local clubs is the tip to tail variance in skill and mental level. I do agree with you about the technical side but also feel like the best technical trainers are accessible through private camps clinics like red bulls and more. My assumption good or bad was that the 1-2-3 kid was at the top of technical development and also athletically gifted. Thus development and growth was from the mental game learning arena. You can watch all you want on tv but until you start using and having actual success and failure then you dont really gain knowledge. Its like saying you can perform a surgery by watching on tv. An example of what i am talking about is creative play. If player A wants to make a back heel pass but player B does not recognize or expect or have the awareness to be in position for that pass then after 1-2 failures player A regresses to simple standard play. How is that good for player A's development. On a similar note if players are only able to pass to feet and are not playing to space how does that help a player develop. My point with 1-3 5-9 etc was that you want to play with kids that are at a similar level mentally so that you can push them and they can push you. To crystalize this think of an extreme example. Assume Ronaldo were to play with the best college team in the US. He is so many standard deviations away from their level what is he going to gain? Zero. So as you bring that example back to youth soccer how much less is number one learning than #10? I would say significantly. Can #1 still learn. Sure. Just not as much as they could being in the ideal environment. If your kid is at that top level wouldnt you want to see them maximize their opportunity? I do.
I kind of agree. Dont you think if DA works the way they hope its much better for the kids?
It sounds like 1-3 and 5-9 is the argument against the DA. When the DA team is a mix-up of 2 age groups it is clearly to provide 2 different opportunities to kids over a long term.One year you're the 1-5.. the next year you're 5-9. No matter how you look at it. Good clubs do it by mixing up age groups in practice, and I have seen it done at all of the A and B clubs alike. Match Fit does it especially well - they mix up their teams from game to game.
what a joke. more entitle wealthy know it alls telling everyone else whats right and whats wrong. how about just shutting your traps and do what you believe in, rather than telling everyone how you have it right and they have it wrong. has it ever struck any of your incredo=geniuses, that maybe, just maybe, despite your sucking on all the marketing bullet points hook line and sinker...maybe just maybe you have it wrong. geez, couldnt be. after all you've been doing this for 3 decades with hundreds of kids, right? do what you think is right, just stop telling everyone else how wrong they are.
Angry little troll...
Im kind of tired of hearing that ecnl is an elitist system. All these clubs cost between 2200 and 3000. Uniforms are usually extra. Id say most between 2500 and 3000. So you are telling me $50 a month is keeping you from playing top level? I think if your kid can play there and make an impact im sure they can find scholarship money at any of these clubs. dont let the many scare you away. Any club can find ways to help. Travel can be pricier with ecnl but i bet rush blue families paid more last year. I just wouldn't let money be a deciding factor. Just like college.
For many money is NOT the deciding factor
Mf looking surprisingly competitive after a win and tight loss. New team. New coach. Will probably be strong in the spring. No affiliation actually just thought this blog overly critical.
MF Looks strong??New Coach- MF removed the over hyped coach from USA?How about teams knowing they are playing MF and not getting up for game. Still 2nd to last place.
For many, money is the deciding factor for youth sports,college, and plenty of other decisions. High costs and unnecessary travel costs keep plenty of girls out of soccer period, much less high level soccer. The talent pool is reduced by the high costs. There is lots of well off talent but that is the pool. Low income talent is basically absent from the game.
No 4:44 same coach. Just you guys make yourselves look bad by jumping on a newly formed team with anew coach after a few tough losses given byc. You should really wait until spring to see if the coaches can pull it together. If by end of spring they haven't righted the ship then by all means have at them. But it certainly seems as if they are trending better.
4:44 thats baloney. Rubbish. If you were ecnl you know those kids get up for every game. We beat that team but they were no pushover. Any ecnl kid knows college coaches can be at any game. No let down no way. This isnt edp.
congrats MF, you make ECNL so proud. You have a world class team and we knew you could pull a win off eventually. Please keep us posted on your next tie, win or close game. I think you have a chance to move up from second to last place.
GO MATCHFIT, your teams looks to be coming around after 4 years. Please keep us posted....
Class act world class coach. Class act.
10:56 if I may intervene. You may be interpreting 7:38 post incorrectly. My interpretation of 7:38 post: claiming the Match Fit U14 ECNL team is a "World Class team" not World Class FC Team. Stating Match Fit current team is being mocked as a top team (World Class team).
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8:22. I didn't misread but do appreciate the gentleness of your post. I do believe it is he who wrote it. Admin what is that post above?
i never heard anything about WC on here, sounds like a fals accusation.sounds to me like the only ecnl team talking is tne one who shouldn't be. And if it's the same WC coach from the past few years, I could never imagine that guy on a blog, I did hear a WC coach left MF with a bunch of players, but wasn't that u15 or 16?
Dont be so naive to think he wont take a shot any chance any age. Hes rotten.
Blogger 5:05pm may need to experiment with Blogger 5:39am
bethesda brackets? i cant seem to figure out where they are published. help pls? or do we just wait until schedule is out?
It doesn't look like brackets are out yet. https://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=47043&Group=Girls_14
MFA 3 Albertson 1MFA 3 East Meadow 1Interesting.
8:27pm Thanks for the update MF parent.
kudos to the mfa coach and the team for that improvement!
Settle down - you realize that you are admitting how bad your team is and saying three wins all season is a major accomplishment. Please notice that you are ranked 10 still and league is not very strong. Could you imagine if other teams posted like this every week. Many other teams won this weekend too and everyone of them could beat you guys. Including STA, Crush, Stallions, PDA and many more. Where is the MF soccer complex? Would like to come watch this amazing team and coach.
Showing improvement ahead of winter training should be noted - with an entire spring of games also ahead.
Are we still talking about MFA? Why should anyone care?They are not even considered a top team or club in the state and probably 6 others that are better.Look at every other team they have as well and their decision to leave tne DA.
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Does MF need players? Looks like the team to be on now. Excellent momentum and looks like you will be in the top in ecnl national rankings very soon.
Does anyone know how Clarkstown beat SDFC 5-0. I mean really a top team like SDFC should be embarrassed by a lost of that margin. I mean its obvious that they could not score any goals but how do you give up 5 goals. Did they have a goalkeeper at the game.
Some of you are such clowns. By miles the 2nd best club in the state. Maybe Cedar stars changes that. My kids are at PDA and I think we are a mile ahead of matchfit, but to say their are 6 clubs better is laughable. The next 5 combined after MFA has less D1 kids and MF has 1/2 PDAs total.
10:09. Really nice job showing that you are a complete moron. PDA guy. Spot on. My kid not on the team but for all the harsh reaction to their first five games what a crock!Regression to the mean morrrons. Good coaches. Good training. Attracts good talent. Once gels equals good team. That albertson team is decent. Better than sdfc crush sta tsf combined.
6:39pm. I think the poster meant 6 better teams rather than 6 better clubs. That is more accurate. I have no doubt the other top 03 teams in the State (outside of PDA) could beat that MF ECNL group.
Which teams? Albertson can beat all those teams. You make no sense.
Have Albertson played any of those teams since the BYC? Unless not then it's just your opinion against mine. And unless you were at the MF v Albertson game then you again can't really say for certain. I'm pretty certain we have all been on the end of losing a game where you dominated it. Scores on a bit of paper mean nothing unless you can back it up with consistency.
Dude its 8 weeks into a new season with all new teams. The first month is throw away. You are being ridiclous!! What teams sdfc crush tsf sta? Those teams are all the same 2-3 good girls and the rest is fodder.
Why is the first month throw away? Because MF performed so poorly in it and others didn't?
Okay this MF blogger is out of control, including @639 posting as a PDA parent who can't write and claims they are second best team in state. Let it go, so many teams better and many clubs too. are you the NJX mom that's been grasping for attention for years and keep falling down?
MFA was 702 poster too. - WOW. Time to chill, you make your team, parents, coaches, club and girls look bad. Please go back and red your own post.
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No the first month is throw away for you too. Some teams had never played together. So if you beat 5 teams in sept and have to play them all again in spring it is unlikely that you will have the same result. Many times good teams with new coaches will take them a few steps backward to teach them to play in a different style which should make them a better team in the long run. I get mad because people pick on teams for losing tge right way vs losing the wrong way. We beat them early but am ready and hopeful to beat a much better team next time. I have older kids too and mfa always tough. I just get angry when i see teams just put together thrown into the fire by programs with a lot less success than the one you beat down.
The obvious performance expectation is that for this season teams that had less change were beating teams with more change. For example if you have a strong u13 team that is entirely early 03 players. I would expect that team to perform exceptionally well this season. Why? Because they know their system and are proficient in it. And they are strong physically based upon age distribution. Now I would expect the oppsite from a team with all new players and a new coach. I know nothing about mfa other than they were weak last year at u13 and a new coach from wnt. But I would believe they would bring in some talented player athletes. Even with great skilled athletes you cant expect that team to play together and keep positioning all that well for at least a few months. Its unfair to have that expectation. And by proclaiming they are terrible after 5-6 games just does not demonstrate an elevated knowledge of how soccer works. Im still learning the game myself but I have seen teams that play very good soccer lose to a lot of teams focused on winning way too many times to know not to judge solely based on result. In the byc year this is even more apparent.
I believe western NY, PDA, penn fusion and many more all had significant changes too, but not making excuses. And I'm not sure anyone has come down on this team, looks like it all started with your own post and just very defensive. This has been going on for years, I beI've tne old excuse was the NJX merger... The change this year is why most teams doing average and still developing. But they are winning and mostly because this league is new and very average at this point. If anything, MFA has benefited from the changes more and should be stronger. Let's be honest, it's all going to change again in 8 months so let it go. Next year the DA will be your target.
How many players are left on this team from last year? And from NJX? Pda has a huge roster, so this team has to be mostly new too. PF plays to win and they are mostly transitioned from last year. Solid team and top of bracket. Bucks are the only team that is in really bad shape, based on results.
How can Western NY, PDA, Penn Fusion, and others have significant changes if they develop players? Did they bring players up from lower level teams?
yes, I'm sure many new players from other clubs as well as many from younger teams who have never played together. Same issue as MFA and every other team dealing with age change. Would assume teams like PDA and PF lost majority of players to u15/02. Most of the high level teams from last year were made up of majority 02s.
Bethesda brackets are out. Talk about having no clue http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=53882&Gender=Girls&Age=14
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I can't believe nobody is talking about the eventual PF/CFC merge.... bunch of amateurs.
12:59 - If you are such a pro, why don't you fill us amateurs in?
Real rankings back online. http://youthsoccerrankings.us/No more silly got soccer.
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12:59 cfc/PF merger ... ok I'll bite. This merger is good for the clubs, but is this good for their members? They'll have the DA, then 1or 2 ECNL teams. I'm guessing only one - so they can put the best team forward. Lots of transitions for these kids.
YSR is back, and not surprisingly MF is ranked right after PDA. Haters gonna say that YSR is biased for MF! I'm a little weirded out, but I have faith in math.
NJ State Cup. Why?
How many girls play other sports like BBall in the winter? We are on a high end team and love the change of pace and believe it's a very healthy alternative to soccer in the winter. Plus I coach and keeps my weekends active... The DA doesn't mention no HS BBall too.
I dont think the rules rule out other sports but time and inability to fully commit I would assume would effectively rule it out.
depends how good of a basketball team it is. good teams will demand 100% dedication and that may not work with your club schedule. my kids used to play bball until u13 and then stopped as not to cause coaching drama.
No high school sports at all for Academy, I'd think. Not just the soccer.I am not sure you want a soccer practice following a hoops session anyway.
Any speculation on Bethesda? Got a couple on NJ any NY teams going down to DC for the weekend. No NJ/NY ECNL teams are making a trip.Seacoast United going for it?
Looks like Albertson fury going. 2nd flight. They did not do a good job with the pairings.
It just looks as if majority of the Virginia or Maryland teams are placed too high based on YSR. It may end up being a tough road ahead for them.. or some of the YSR will need to re-balance itself.Quick scan of the top bracket:Bryc elite VA 34.34Maryland United ECNL MD 34.97Seacoast United NH 34.4SUSA NPL NYE 35.02 Bethesda SC ECNL MD 33.7Continental fc ECNL pae 33.38hmms eagle fc legenda pae 33.09NJ wildcats lopez nj 32.76
The seeding are so off. FC Crush just beat NJ Wildcats in State Cuo final but they are four brackets below them. An example of how poorly the brackets have been set up.
Looks like Bethesda homered itself, but I suppose that's exerting the prerogative of the home team.
Crush beat that team by one goal. And that team has many more got soccer points. Sorry but they must have used got soccer as a gauge. Crush needed to be a better u13 team last year. Sorry. Bottom bracket. Hope you like the drive.
Wildcats are a kick-and-run outfit. They will have a hard time, they have not posted a win against a better team other than STA.
Wildcats beat SDFC to get to the finals
All those teams are weak. State cup worthless. They will get smoked at bethesda.
Nobody said Crush was better than Wildcats.Maybe they beat a better team.More props to Crush if true.Hardware is NICE.
CRUSH posters are always some coach trying to promote club. Typical money grab...
Not always. Some crazy dilusional crush parents sometimes as well.
That was quick coach. These parents pay your way based on your bs. Go home...
Not even close to a coach. Just saying as well as dilusional coaches at crush there are plenty of parents that are on the coolaid.
Are PDA the only solid teams left in this age group in NJ? Looks like Crew and Galaxy are playing steady and well.New York seems to have more strength outside of the ECNL clubs. SUSA, Quickstrike and Clarkstown seem to do much better than ECNL clubs
Anyone from Maryland or Virginia to comment on accuracy of Bethesda flights for the state teams? Hoping for good games from all teams.
Quickstrike, Susa and Clarkstown? no real strength there in any of the 3. NY is by far inferior to NJ. The top 5 teams in NJ would smoke the top 5 squads. Invites to NT camps and NT teams reflects this.
Which teams, other than PDA would smoke them?
Quickstrike has a tie against the MFA NPL team. Based on that one game the MFA ECNL team is a much better team than that Quickstrike team. Susa is a different story. I have seen them play and they would be competitive with the NJ teams. No idea on Clarkstown.
Quickstrike/nysc is 2 clubs, I believe. Old Quickstrike (good) and new quickstrike (NYSC - probably a bit better). NYSC has more ups than downs. Good technical skills.
Wildcats bringing in several guest players and finally scoring!
According to got soccer Wildcats are the #1 team in NJ. Don't be a hater.
Take the forward off of wildcats and you have no team. Good team with players who can get the job done but nothing else. If forward leaves the team, wildcats would be 15-20 in state.
Pretty sure Wildcats came in fourth place in EDP for the fall.
@November 10, 2016 at 8:36 AM - Seems so, both teams have some great strikers and each have a great keeper.
Newss sorry for format. Bracket A SUSA NPL G03 (NYE)NJ CRUSH FC HEAT NPL (NJ)OAKWOOD SC OAKWOOD G03 (CT)ALBERTSON FURY 03 ECNL (NYE)Bracket B Clarkstown 2003 ELITE (NYE)TSF ACADEMY 2003G (NJ)YANKEE UNITED F.C. REIGN NPL-03 (CT)CFC UNITED 2003 GIRLS NPL (CT)
$2 bet on Clarkstown to win!
maybe their weak bracket but not it all
What happened to news? Very weak accross tne board. I would never want to have to travel to this tournamnet on the worst travel weekend of year if out of state. And only clollege coaches who have family in New York region probably attend. Going forward this looks like a small regional play for teams wanting a warmup to start season in older age groups.
Colleges attending list seems much deeper than at EDP, at least
Thats not saying much. These events seem to mostly attract b level schools or soccer programs. Even at Bethesda i didnt see many coaches at u14 or u15. I think only ecnl and disney will get a big coach draw.
B level soccer schools can be a beautiful thing.
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