World Class '01 should be a pretty good team.And the '02s benefit from having a pretty good base from last year's U14
I thought Cedar Stars GDA will be fee free at older ages?
The WCFC 2002's have 6 kids from MFA including the national team player, who is a difference maker. Their U12 team was excellent, so I would guess the 2003 team will be pretty good as well.
8 02' players from Matchfit and coach i believe, that won ECNL division last year - so team is dominated by Matchfit but should be pretty solidWC struggles getting the better talent on their own - problem is too much nepotism - Head of Girls side has two daughters playing up when they send tons of emails out saying that's not allowed Too many daddy's and friends of daddy's coaching at WC PDA will be very strong 03 team - most coming back from previous teamMuch Fit 03 will struggle again
I'd guess MFA 2003 will be .500 in ECNL. Top of the team is very good. May lack depth, we'll know more this weekend.
Any girls left from the njx team on mf
Ah - ya 3They have no chance. Rec team
How did mf do
The top players are original from NJX. Top half of team very strong, hard drop off after that.
Sdfc will be very diff end this year. Should have been in a much lower bracket at stars.
I bet one SDFC dad is pissed.
What's changed with NYSC? They went from 2 girls teams to 3 per age group? Do they play both EDP and NY NPL as the same team?
I thought that SDFC had mixed results against top teams last year as well. I hope they played well and the games were close. They will recover and they will belong in that bracket again.True surprise is the Seacoast United team - well done!
As the kids get older the top clubs get stronger and the rest get a little weaker. SDFC is still a very good team, they just won't win many games against the best NPL teams and the weaker ECNL teams. The white flight was clearly the 2nd flight at the tourney, all the perceived top teams were in the Blue flight.
So got soccer has them ranked number one in NJ? Is this why they were in the second flight?
Premier Blue had all ECNL teams. Premier White had a mix of ECNL and NPL teams, including SDFC. No need to slam SDFC because they weren't in the other flight.
Congrats to PDA! Not a PDA parent but all three of their teams did very well. Continue to take away that the top ECNL teams are very strong but take notice that some clubs that are NPL only, their top teams are pretty level with middle of the pack ECNL teams.
What has changed with NYSC?A: There was a mergerSDFC will have trouble competing with top NPL teams- no, this is rubbishCrush Flames seemed to have been slighted, in the fifth flight (6th in NJ), though the 7th ranked team in Mass was in flight 3(Crush outscores opponents 19-0 for the weekend)
Agree, crush should have been higher, but not because of GS rankings.Look at the PDA a team, they are ranked way down around 20 in state.This is where your club has to step up and request the flight you should be in and you would think they would be able to with the amount of teams you have sent there over the years. It looks like crush has a very solid 03 team and probably much stronger than sdfc. By the way, the second bracket looked very weak. I think PDA b team or crush could have easily competed and probably won this flight.
NJ CRUSH has solid team. But like all the rest of their teams, they will lose most of the players next year. They come over from other teams for a few years and then move up to the next level when they need visibility.
Rumor has it FC Crush being considered for next wave of DA. And that was crush's edp team. Their NPL team didn't play in that tourney. Probably strongest 03 group (2 teams) overall in Northern NJ.
Does CRUSH have the F licenses and fields?As for the better of your 2003 teams, the NPL teams looks much weaker. placing 7 in edp league last year. Look at their got soccer page, shows how weak they really are.
why would anyone trust gotsoccer at this point - after a reshuffle, and when clearly the best team in NJ - PDA ECNL has 20 points and is ranked 247th in NJ (9:00 am on 9/7). even when youthsoccerrankings puts a disclaimer "It will take several months to establish enough results to publish a meaningful national ranking. Please check back in October."teams will play, pundits will come up with a top 5 every week. we'll have fun on this forum again.
Never heard anything about PDA ecnl team mentioned on this board in past, you must be one of the new parents. And would assume coming up from Lyons... I'm sure the team is one of the top, but they are new too and need to prove out the season before being ranked number one, by anyone. It also will be tough to decide if they don't play the other top teams.
The PDA ECNL 2003 team that just won top flight at the FC Stars fka Galaxy?https://events.gotsport.com/events/resultsgrid.aspx?EventID=52357&GroupID=526431nothing to do with Lyon, also mentioned at September 6, 2016 at 4:03 PM. joy to watch, win or lose. just dont troll this place with gotsoccer or Lyon or new parent stuff.
Thanks new PDA dad.
PDA traditionally participates in fewer tournaments than other NJ clubs. That is why their GS points and rankings are low. The tournaments they do participate in usually carry very high GS flight point totals though. Think quality over quantity.
more ammo for the gotsoccer trolls. point allocations are more messed up than their rankings so at U14 fc stars the top bracket was weak. it will take months to recover any quality from gotsoccerPremiership Blue 3244Premiership White 7150Championship Blue 7625Championship White 5625League 1 2931League 2 2808League 3 1189https://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=52357
2015 FC Stars point allocations for U13 Premiership - Blue 9500Premiership - White 8500Championship - Blue 7000Championship - White 4684League 1 - 1572League 2 - 2808League 3 - 789https://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=45596
2016 FC Stars Prem Blue Bracket U14AlbyClevelandMFFC StarsBoston BreakersEclipseEMPDA2015 FC Stars Prem Blue Bracket U13AlbySDFCPDANEFCNJ RushFC StarsYankee UnotedMF
This is where clubs like FC CRUSH know what they are doing. 5th flight winner gets almost the same points as PDA for winnining top flight.They should move up to 4th in state soon and recruit a few more parents...
Do parents look at got soccer rankings to choose a soccer team for their kid? Do parents even know what number rank is assigned to their kid's team?
i did hear parents bragging about their kids' team gotscore rankings. also obsessed about the a team vs b team placement.
That is hilarious. I should come up with a way to numerically rank kids in all their different activities and try to make some money.
GS rankings and points are misleading. Best way to tell if a team is any good is to look at their past results. All it takes is one high ranking team in a flight to carry points in a tournament, but it is fun to look at.
yes, parents are totally obsessed with GS points. They think it actually means something. You'll hear more about it this year with the addition of the "younger" families to this age. GS points mattered for U10-12 teams as it helped get them accepted into premier tournaments.
Our club cares about the points the least. We are most worried about being the best dressed. Putting kids in college comes right after snazy dressing.
What is going on with the FC Bucks U14 ECNL team?1-12 loss to Boston Breakers1-10 loss to WNY FlashGames were in Boston, were they missing players? Missing their goalie??
Wow. What a waste of time and money to have to go play them. Anyway they can move down to another level?
Connecticut did this last year to tne league and ended up not finishing tne season. Looks like ecnl may have two this year that do not belong. Havnt seen any scores yet, but hard to belive they can come back as week as they were.
@ 8:36They kept the '03s from last year's u13 and are now u15. It cascaded all the way down. Lots of '04s to fill in.
That is nuts. Why would the 03 want to go u15 now and not have a real season. No other club has done this and they should be penalized for wasting everyone's time playing them.
12:40 - completely agree. I don't know of any other ECNL clubs letting '03's play up, especially for the fall season. Its a waste of everybodys time and just no fun to play against a team like that.
Many clubs have kept '03s at U15, particularly those who are Class of 2021, and in effect, in no different position than their '02 peers who are also Class of 2021.
. . . but maybe not ECNL clubs.
ECNL is on its last legs and will need to reinvent itself once GDA starts. Boston Breaks and WNY Flash are the teams that should be fined for running up the score. Show class and good sportsmanship to the lesser teams on your way up, you see them when they pass you by later on.
Show class? Shut up u loser. They travel 5 hours to play a club that shouldn't be in league.You need to stay at rec level....
Agree, no reason to play a team that bad at this level. The club/team/coach should know better. These teams travel far and spend tons of money doing so.
League sanctions for fielding a poor team?Hmmmmm.....Interesting concept.Mighty ECNL a bit embarrassed?
It is a kid soccer league, not any kind of pro league. Show some class. Just because you decided to buy into this league's hype and spend tons of money and miles you are not entitled to humiliate a team of youth players.
There are miss matches at every level of play, all types of sports, no matter how far you travel, or how much money you spend. There is always a team that is better and worse than yours. Teams don't get a pass on lack of sportsmanship just for playing ECNL or in any other elite league. A good coach can always keep the score under control and develop the team at the same time.
Putting out a totally non competitive outfit is grounds for a sanction vs that club. Especially if it is due to players playing above their age grade - or a club not placing its best team in the division that it belongsNPL went through this with HBC and with Brentwood. Brentwood survived while HBC did not.FC Bucks needs to be inspected closely with regards to this matter
Sanction the club if that is what is called for. The kids out playing the game should be treated with some sportsmanship.
The majority of the team is 2004/2022 graduating class. they need to play age appropriate if they can't compete. I'm sure every 2004 team in ecnl could destroy this team too. Way to go bucks.
The scores could have been much worse.
Confused about nj crush. Is there top team flames or heat? In other words is ny npl or EDP their top team? Or are they different locations and not necessarily A and B?
They are both b teams.
Bucks team just getting killed. And this league has goal differential, so teams can't hold back.MF not doing very well either, ecnl can be just as weak as any league
MFA has been a little unlucky. You lose 4 games each by 1, they can turn that around. Bucks in an entirely different league.
Re: Gotsoccer pointsYeah, not so much a big deal - until you realize you did not get into a desired event because of your low standingTough staying home
9/18 3 3:09pmFC Crush has two very solid teams - their two teams are both very good and if combined would be one of the best in the area - you would have to give a little leg up to the NPL team but can appreciate that the club is about training/learning not just winning, so they try to keep parity withinMaybe change over time The northern NJ/NY corridor is littered with tons of talent so there isn't one dominant team
At some point you need a winning team to get the recognition and exposure for college. Some of this is about keeping more players paying the big bucks. It's funny when people talk about clubs and how important training is, when we all now it's about the money... When it's time to combine these teams, all the best players will go to PDA and WC, if they can make the ecnl or da and save money doing so.
its always about the money, you are correctI would agree that the best go to PDA, but I wouldn't agree to WC. If WC is getting the best players, why are they struggling to win on the girls side when there is so much talent in the northern NJ/NY area? The best players are at Maximus, FC Crush, NYSC, Clarkstown, SDFC and yes some at WC. Maybe when the DA starts it will change, but even that i would argue since many girls want to play for their HS and focus on the college path more then playing pro soccer on the women's side.
Edp looks like a sad league too, with a few teams like the BUCKS. Don't these coaches know how bad these teams really are?
At this age, MF has the second best team in the state as they do at almost every age U14 and above. This will be proven out as the year progresses.
Beauty of playing in ECNL is that you dont have to prove anything. You are already in ECNL. Being in a state with 2 ECNL clubs makes MF a de facto 2nd best team in the state for life. Luckily they wont have to play any other competition,
6:17pm. Spoken like a true MF parent. As 9:10am points out, they will never be able to prove it unless they stumble across another NJ team at a tournament....
MF record this season. Played 5, lost 4, won 1. But 2nd best in the State apparently.
State cup brackets are out. Somehow put all top teams in bottom half to fight it out.Nice chance for someone to make it big in top half....
#true about the NJ state cuphttp://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=55334&Gender=Girls&Age=14just the crush teams and copa in top half.
I just looked at the flights for the upcoming EDP Columbus Day Tournament for U14.... What a joke!! All these supposed "Good Teams", playing soft just to get GS points. Looks like a lot of teams need those soft wins so they can keep charging big fees year to year. Wake up people, you might as well take that money and flush it.
How did the mighty SDFC place so low in the Fall EDP Tournament. The number 2 team only one tier above their B team. Region 1 Champions league. Really seems unfair to the teams in that bracket. I guess those got soccer points are more important than playing up to your potential. What a joke and total waste of money.
Totally agree that all tournament brackets are totally out of whack, but from what I recall SDFC (in its early stages) likes to work out its kinks by dominating all other teams. Perhaps it's a strategy?They played some tough teams at Stars, and not they need to get back on the tiki-taka style they like to play. Hard to get it going against tough competition.
MF is far from second best team in NJ.
2nd best ECNL team in NJ by far!
Looks like they had a rough trip yesterday. 8 hours to get a beat down by a team from buffalo... Maybe they are the second best team in NY too.
I would think with the age change and DA coming a lot of players make the change at u15. MF definitely has some good players but are not yet a complete team. I would expect that to change drastically next year.
Not sure, they have a terrible reputation going back years. Nothing to do with the players or parents, just the organization. But they should pick up all the kids that don't make PDA DA and want that avenue.
I saw on another message board that Sereno, Mustang FC, and Matchfit have pulled out of the girls DA. There were links showing the first two dropping out but I didn't see anything about Matchfit, so I'm not sure it's true. http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/girls-development-academy.6/page-49
Dum de dum. Those are clubs who dropped out of the Boys DA.
PDA has the three best teams in the state. I know MFA took a beating this week, but I would bet they are in that next group if not at the top.
the letter from sereno soccer club on the board mentioned above was from sept-20 and they were saying they are pulling out from girls DA for very specific reasons/staying ecnl.same with mustang:> USSDA Academy (US Soccer Academy League / Boys Only / Mustang no longer is a participant)http://www.mustangsoccer.com/competitive/index_E.html?1474914823there was no real proof of match fit pull out. but based on the match fit philosophy (dog-eat-dog, compete to make minutes on a team, move players frequently) an idea of a fixed mixed team, that would further drain resources from an unprepared ecnl side - makes perfect sense - but i hope it aint true
Just hope da is a little cheaper with less silly travel then ECNL.. (and that my player can get in of course). IF not, whaat's the point, it will be the same as what we have now.
DA is about 70% more than ECNL, full freight.
1118 - where does that figure come from? Are you saying just the fees alone could be Over 5k. 3,000 + 70%. Then another 70% on top of current travel and other cost? Are they really going to practice 4 days a week? How are these clubs going to find field time for all these teams to practice so much, when they also have so many other teams still in need of fields? i have a son playing DA now and it's brutal getting fields.
Not this age group. but at the older age groups, Cedar Stars said their NJ Da will be fee free for girls. So I guess just the travel costs.
DA costs are right around 5K. There will be some subsidies, but I would guess many players will still pay the full freight. The 5K makes sense with 100% more training IMO. Of the top 50 kids in the state at all ages, my guess is more than 50% pass on the DA. For a club to fund the entire cost before travel for a Girls DA would be about 400K per year. Cedar Stars could do that if they choose to. They have the big money behind them. DA takes way too much commitment, won't be for everyone.
I agree with 3:53 about a lot of kids opting out of the DA. There is no pro path, which is really the benefit on the boys side. We'll get one extra practice per week versus the current ECNL schedule and it appears that the cost for the year will ensure that the extra practice is paid for by the parents. High school won't be an option. I know my kid has enjoyed playing with her friends for school but she says this wouldn't stop her from going DA. The main thing is what will happen with combined birth years. Would you really want to be a younger age group in a two year band and end up as the 20-30th player on the roster? There are less games and pro substitution rules, which means 14 players can play maximum in a game. I can't see many kids liking this. I wonder if the DA clubs will run a Pre-DA team for the younger age group to ensure kids are playing. I know Continental has done that for the younger kids on the boys side. Either way, I am struggling to see a lot of benefit of adding an extra practice.
The only good thing about the DA is getting rid of the lazy coaches at PDA. They roster to many because they can. They practice very little and play in a few tournaments and only ecnl events. They never go above and beyond, because there are no better options.
Agree with previous poster about multiple trainings per week and field time. We can only practice twice a week at PDA and every field is packed and usually two teams per field. and I know WC has same issue.
What if a significant portion of top talent does not go DA because of cost, time, school sports, distance, etc.? Will those that are in the DA still be presumed to be the best because they carry the DA brand? How will anyone know that DA is in fact the best? Will its teams venture out to play others? As an analogy, is FC Bucks presumed to be an elite team just because it plays in the ECNL?
12:56 - I think it is much more likely that this happens; that the DA actually further dilutes the talent pool between DA, ECNL, and NPL. We can only be sure that the DA will cost the club more to support, and if they are losing membership as a result, they will drop it. It seems likely that the cost will remain high, so I really do not see any benefits over ECNL.
The current choices are equally exclusionary in terms of distance, cost and time right now. Perhaps the fee free choice will be able to serve some of those talented players struggling with the financial costs. The Da will not include that many players so I think all these leagues can survive in some form. If not, the market will have spoken.
Is there really a marketplace in US Women's soccer for DA? From my experience a lot of parents seek "winning (x2), prestige and playing-up" as symbols of club where they would wish their kids to play. DA seems to go against that grain. I wish DA was a supplemental program that worked along clubs.
There is a big market for it in the upper middle class bubble. That is why it exists.
Why are EDP Cup having finals and 3rd/4th playoffs on the Monday?
For the same reason WAGS finals are on Monday, it's a holiday for many and field use can be spread out (or there is more hotel use if you are a cynic).
EDP Cup gives teams the option for 2 day or 3 day as some schools are not off on Columbus Monday. That's why all the brackets seemed screwed up with good teams in lower brackets, because it was split 3 day then 2 day.
Is brentwood/atletico the old ISA team? They seem to be putting on some impressive games these days.
8:15am. What impressive games are you talking about? Them losing to Clarkstown, SUSA, SDFC, HMMS, South Shore since the start of the Season? Or them winning against the NYSC B team, Princeton, Manhattan, East Islip and Baltimore?
the same. brentwood was so bad last year, so im impressed they are putting up wins and seem to be playing close games..btw. whats the nysc hierarchy?
Not sure what the shout is for, arsenal placed third in a average bracket. Keep in mind, when the the girls from high school come back in late fall and spring, then you will see some really tough teams playing.
I think you are lost, parent whose daughter used to play for Maximus.They are playing U15
That could be about 30 kids..
How is EDP going to handle final placement given they had to bail on the 2nd day of matches? Any reason more top teams didn't show up to EDP?
12:01pm. No points get awarded when tournaments get cancelled due to weather
Pda probably would have won, not that they are so good, just no comp. and they don't care about or need points.
I had clarkstown as a favorite to win! PDA not in this bracket
So MF has horrible teams at every level and now they have lost their DA status. This club is done, sad.
They declined DA. It wasnt taken from them.
any idea why a club would decline DA if they were accepted?
The cost of the DA all in is close to 6K per kid not including travel which is easily another 4k. MFA does not have deep pockets, it's a player funded not for profit and I do not think they thought they could find 75 kids who were DA caliber, who would be able to make the commitment and be willing to pay. The commitment is huge, 4 days per week, no other sports, no HS soccer. I am sure they talked to a lot of kids who would be interested and the response was lukewarm. Think of the poor parents. Wait until you see the scores of some of these DA games, half the clubs will bail as soon as they can is my guess. There is good news, nobody has to go to buffalo, they put the WNY Flash in a league that goes to Illinois.Remember for MFA, they are rebuilding their club after relocating the ECNL teams to Denville. this would have been an ambitious endeavor.
The other side for MFA is that they frankly don't have 20 kids in the club who would be interested in the DA, who are DA caliber. They would have to recruit 50-60 kids, not realistic and not something anyone there wanted to do. If they have been in Denville for 3-5 years, may have been more likely. The older kids have very little interest in the DA.
MFA still struggling with ECNL in most age groups, and they like to move players between teams throughout the season. So taking top 11 players from each age group and "locking them in" for a DA team would totally destroy their other ability to compete in other leagues as well as the carrot/stick mentality of moving players.
The only ECNL teams playing right now are U14. Last years teams were all good, none struggled. How are they struggling in all age groups?
Your points all make sense (not 100% agreement) but I wonder why they initially applied to begin with, they had DA on the boys side so knew what, at the very least, what it was about. I highly doubt (could be wrong of course) That USSF would change the format for GDA.I think their dilemma could be said for almost all the ECNL teams except maybe for the ones that have the financial backing of a pro club or private investor.Eventually with ECNL or GDA one will dilute the other too much and only one will prevail. Then there will be some very good soccer players without teams to play on and then those players will be fighting to get into that one league that wins.....then back to where we started. Unbelievable that these 2 organizations could not get together and simply create another division within the current structure that teams COULD enter into if they wanted without another complete new setup. Way too many chiefs getting/involved in US soccer for us to develop consistently as a nation.
Maybe they sold their rights (unreported under the table) to CEDAR
Cedars stars is building their headquarters in Tinton Falls I beleive, so thats in that freehold area if im not mistaken. Seems like Cedar stars will be strong competitive to PDA. Both have big money owners who will spend like crazy to build out their club. Cedar stars is maybe more innovative and has more current trainers.
MF pulling out of DA for "Player Developmental Reasons". What a load of nonsense. I presume that is their stance after the Girls DA told the 03 ECNL team that right now they're the face of MF ECNL and their performances aren't good enough in ECNL as they've lost every game?? All about development over there.
** Girls DOC not Girls DA. Oops
Cedar Stars better hope for a huge turnout at tryouts for their DA. CSA needs to offer free tuition for GDA for all age groups in order to make it attractive. CSA has something good here, let's see if they blow it.
Hearing cedar stars complete mess.
MFA 2003 group has had some injuries, and depth is a problem. But grow up. You seem like you're in 8th grade, which I guess could be possible. 2003 group is better than their record. Let's see how they do this weekend.
What is the strategy at CS in having only the older age groups tuition free? Why not try to attract as may as possible in all the age groups?
stop kidding yourself. a team is only as good as their record or a combo of their record and excuses. MF2003s is an average group at best. no standouts at all.
Every team has injuries. We have 4 starters sitting out and getting by just fine. Sounds like you are blaming your lower half, we all have them too. How is your commute to practice these days?
Any MF-PDA score from this morning?
I see they they tied WC yesterday. Looks like they just play defense against every team. One goal all season.
Match Fit club is a disgrace. This age group is not altered by injuries. Problem is the coaching and the players. Coaches in club is a disgrace, DOC barely shows up and when he does, he is on the phone the whole time. New USA Coach, is a disaster. Really you cry when a parent confronts you, you are an embarrassment to the so called Coaching Fraternity. Every age group from U15 below will struggle bad this year. I am not familiar with older teams, assume they will be competitive. 2003 age group 1 goal for and 16 against. This team is comparable to FC Bucks, laughing stock baby
ouch! thats a scathing review of this club. with so many great clubs and positive environments available, at this age, why would anyone roll the dice on such a messy situation? Go elsewhere, quickly!
just looked at MFA results. 6 games, no wins, 1 goal for, a whole lotta against. next match, they have to drive 4 hours one way to Mass beyond boston for another scoop of humble pie, a miserably long ride out and a painful ride back. all to probably score no goals, get no points, but all because my daughter really loves the sports!! ha ha.
MF just took any player to those younger teams even though not of quality. Better players went elsewhere. I would never go another one of their teams. Stay away. Listen to what people to what people have to say. All true
MFA is always on twitter bragging for the dumbest little things. So today is the biggest day for bragging rights in NJ.ECNL clubs and they lost to PDA 5-0 and 2-0 at U13 and 1-0 and 4-0 at U14 AND they just forfeited the U15 game because they don't have enough players!!Not a word on their feed...#wegotourbuttskickedtodaybyTHEPDA
Sounds like an angry ex matchfit parent who kid got dumped. MF is a lost cause right now, but let's hope they get it together. NJ needs another strong club after PDA. To many half ass clubs splitting up the talent and promising parents the world. Clubs like stallions, crush, sdfc all need to go away... They are all money grabs and one level above rec and only keep a few top players each, can never compete. This is one of the reasons MF is so weak. They are really just the old NJX teams with a few additions.
@1:17, You do realize this is about Girls Soccer, right? Please locate your maturity or find a new obsession.
hell, a 0:1 against the top team in the conference is not bad. i understand that its hard to play possession against a team that packs 11 players in the box, but a 1 goal loss must not be that bad.i have no clue how the game went down, but on paper it has a sense of #whew
bickering and going tit for tat is not going to help us as a nation to continue to get better at soccer. what we should be looking at is not the losses (some team will always lose) but how does the team play. At 0-1 loss could have been a great match , 1-2 could have been great...heck i have even seen matches that a team lost 0-3 or so but yet played great.How many times have we seen a youth match where both teams are playing hard, playing good soccer but then one team lets a goal in (on a mental break down) and there spirit gets broken and the deluge begins. What we should look at is are they learning, are they trying things , are they developing skills, are they being taught a system by the coaching staff that they can emulate in the matches. If they are not then those teams should be evaluated by the leagues admin and should be dealt with. At some point these teams, coaches and leagues need to have some accountability. They should not be allowed to simply be allowed to collect peoples money.
The MFA NPL team got crushed by PDA Crew. Not even one shot on goal. It looked like Crew played keep-away the entire second half, not sure if they did it the whole half because I left when my daughter got bored watching.
Anonymous said... Match Fit club is a disgrace. This age group is not altered by injuries. Problem is the coaching and the players. Coaches in club is a disgrace, DOC barely shows up and when he does, he is on the phone the whole time. New USA Coach, is a disaster. Really you cry when a parent confronts you, you are an embarrassment to the so called Coaching Fraternity. Every age group from U15 below will struggle bad this year. I am not familiar with older teams, assume they will be competitive. 2003 age group 1 goal for and 16 against. This team is comparable to FC Bucks, laughing stock baby October 16, 2016 at 7:47 PMThe person that posted the above segment sadly can only be a Matchfit Parent. Who else would even know about a coach allegedly cried when confronted. The team does have some issues and there seems to be a lot of finger pointing as to what the problem is. But the way I see it, if you are unhappy with the team then leave... Why bother standing on the sidelines acting like a tyrant and bitching about your child's lack of playing time.
8:32 is panty waste
@8:32amwhy do you choose to disparage other clubs like SDFC, Crush and Stallions? Clearly MF is not offering the level of development that players want otherwise the above referenced clubs wouldn't be getting top talent. I am a FC Crush parent and it is an amazing environment for my daughter - very little politics, no daddy coaches and quite honestly probably the strongest NPL teams in the area (look at the standings) year after year. The beauty of soccer is there is a place for all. Parity is a good thing not a bad thing. If MF, WC, FC Bucks or other "elite" clubs can't draw the best talent then maybe they are not the best programs but just have big names playing in ECNL leagues. PDA doesn't seem to have a problem drawing the top talent, tells you something.also keep in mind with girls DA, if your daughter is great, she will be found regardless where she plays.
Mf 03 is an incomplete team. After having a weak u13 pre ecnl team and losing players due to break up/ moving of club that is to be expected. Add a new coach to the mix and you see the results you get. Morr players will join. Ecnl is a big upgrade. The comments about the splintering of talent in north jersey are spot on. When your kid is a top player in order to progress they need to play with other top players and no bad players. The variance of soccer knowledge on all these teams sdfc, stallions,crush, arsenal makes it difficult for the top players to advance their game. If players cant see one or two moves ahead and are only passing to feet how does one learn to make the correct runs? So by creating mediocrity out of this parity it is actually a real disservice to the top players. Give mf time. They may have a down year but look at the college score card. Only PDA is better. Stallions is 3rd. All other clubs feed to middle tier colleges.
Crush is a very sensitive club. I'm surprised, I thought everyone has already left... One man standing in defense.
Im the defender. My kid not on team. Have seen them practice. Coach is very solid. Will just take some time and a few more players. They just tied world class. Another victim of over clubbed north jersey.
Wasnt it said that Crush was an excellent feeder for the top teams?If so they must do something very well at the younger levels.
Crush is so good. They are the best at developing kids in the whole world. I wish my kid could make crush. Then maybe she would make a solid d3 squad.
Hmm. U14 is when the hater parents start pumping roids.
Crush just takes the best athletes from the rec club in their town like everyone else, nice try. One year and you develop them?Every club can claim this. The high school coaches can take credit for development the national team players too, right?
Crush has a U6/U7 Academy. But yes, of course some kids come later on.I dont know what you are smoking."Takes from their town...."What town is that?
The Person who posted about the MFA coach, we all know this type of deluded parent. What parent at this age even approaches the coach to talk about their kids playing time? Feel sorry for your kid. The PDA parent deserves to give MFA shit, but the MFA parent giving the coach shit is obviously a much big loser.
how about, we are being lied to and this parent confronted the lies. if you go to bed with a coward DOC and ECNL director. Well as a coach you will be subject to handle their dirty laundry. This coach cracked and cried, DOC and ECNL left her to hang
@841 torpedoes red teams. and you had no clue?
You weren't lied to, you deluded yourself into thinking your kid was ECNL caliber when she isn't. Maybe the club should have been more upfront with you and not offered ECNL. Even if you were lied to, it wasn't the coach who lied to you. Why take it out on her? Have the cajones to take it right to the DOC or ECNL Director. Probably a good idea for you to move along when the Fall season is done.
What exactly are the lies and promises not fulfilled? Just curious.
Pure conjecture here but the only thing that makes sense is they believed said kid would be a starter and now said kid not playing much. If said kid is that good why dont they move to arsenal crush or stallions where they will continue to be developed. Maybe the kid not yet ready for ecnl.
Why do Stallions keep getting mentioned on this site?! You do realize that every team below the 01/00 age isn't at a high level? Like previous posters said, even their older teams will be struggling now due to the birth year change. They've had 1 successful team who were at 3 Clubs in their time and ended up at Stallions and now Stallions are being heralded as the next option outside of ECNL!
Stallions keep getting mentioned because Shaun is the only guy in the area outside mf and pda with a strong call into colleges. I would prob say stallions is pick em with world class. Now look at the.clubs who have some talented trainers and focus on development. Stallions. Maximus. One guy from crush. Maybe sdfc. Crush sdfc and maximus dont have the college placement track record. Therefore they are great places to get your kid to A level but not long term solutions. Stallions is the best alternative to ecnl.
just so i understand, the only way for your daughter to play for a good college soccer program is for the club/coach to have relationships there?That is coming from people that know nothing about the college process and probably haven't played in college let alone HS. I have been through the D1 college process and the coach did very little. The recruitment process was based on merit alone and that is how it happens. Great players will be found. yes a coach's relationship can get a player looked at but let's be real folks. Your daughter goes to college show case, 100 college coaches on the sideline, a few acknowledge there are good players on the field and contact the coaches. that's how it goes. If you are interested in a specific college, you send a video highlight of your daughter and let them know you are interested in their program.Let's not get caught up in what program your daughter plays for, as long as they are getting the exposure opportunities can be created.
9:30am. How short sighted. So i presume based on that statement that you know EVERY coach in North/Central NJ and their relationships with Schools? Give me a break. Plenty of coaches out there know College Coaches throughout the Country. But like 10:06am said, if your daughter is good and is getting exposure then she'll get seen regardless of what Club she plays for.Most get noticed at a Showcase after sending countless of emails and then attend 2-3 of the schools camps (or vice versa), get watched a couple more times at other Showcases and then if you're lucky an offer comes in. It's not as simple as "Coach, can you give Rutgers a call for me and tell them my daughter wants to play there?". If you're joining that Club because that's what you think then i feel sorry for your daughter dealing with your lack of knowledge on the recruiting process.
10:06 that statement is a little idiotic. Thats akin to saying the only way to become a millionaire is to win the lottery. Of course there are multiple paths to every outcome. So your kid was able to do it without any assistance from coach or club. Awesome. Its just ignorant not to look at tge coach/club track record and infer that they are either good at getting them in front of the school showcases id camps etc or arr good at developing kids with college attributes. The unknown is what they do that colleges like. The known is that colleges like whatever they product they have. No one said you cant get to uva from a random club. Actually there are 6 non ecnl kids out of 30. So now ecnl vs non is 80-20. Non ecnl are lamorinda (close to ecnl) stallions, beadling pa, 2 va, one charlotte. Its just seems irrational to want to make a 20% bet. There is one answer pda. If that doesnt work mfa wc pf. Then stallions. Best of luck but I like winning bets.
10:58 is spot on. Thats why match fit will be good in a years time.
There is also a lot of potential misinformation. Like on crush site i couldnt confirm that the alumni that went to top schools rostered there. Im not saying they didnt just could not fconfirm. The stallions kids actually are playing for the schools listed. Not just attending.
Where does it say that Stallions alumni are playing there? My guess is the 2000/2001 teams going to play few notches below Match Fit in the showcase tourney. That's why a bunch of girls from Stallions joined Match Fit. Also, having Region 1/ID2 players will further attract college coaches.
You need to go into the college rosters to check. The stallikns dynamite team checks out. Did a lot of 03 stallions go to mf? Did not hear that. Their u13 team was not good.
Can anyone explain to me why you would choose sdfc? Other than u live in montclair? I have seen their kids become progressively marginal. The kids they have with solid skills all came from outside. Their teams are starting to lose. They dont advertise college placement. Whats the hook seriously?
@10:58 - what is idiotic is your complete lack of comprehention of the post. As mentioned, showcases will get a player exposure, hence the club participation, coaches can make calls, but in the end it will come down to the players ability. Neither the club nor the coach will make a call and get your daughter on the team at a college. if 20% of the players at UVA were not ECNL, one of the top girls programs in the country, then you would have to assume that lower level D1 schools likely have a larger % coming from non ECNL. Point is it is about the player not the league. Yes most of the top players are in ECNL, but that doesn't mean that is the only route. And let's agree to say this, if MF, WC, and others didnt have ECNL affiliation, they would be subpar programs, because most of the players are not developed at these clubs. The players come in to them when they desire to play at a high level more then get top training. These ECNL programs don't have to have the best training because by virtue of players coming to play ECNL, they basically get away with being subpar. The non-ECNL clubs HAVE to have better training programs to be able to stay in business and compete because they lose their best players. That's my opinion.
@1:21. I agree if the player cant play for the school then the club will not matter. Also agree there are different tiers of d1 programs it just depends on what is best for your kid. If you think your kid can be at a top level d-1 school it is almost impossible not to go ecnl. But training comes in different forms. Some kids still need intense technical only. Other kids need more awareness and team play. But the top kids by this age to keep progressing need to play with players that can push them physically and with a soccer iq high enough to challenge them mentally. It is that final stage where the ecnl adds a lot of value. Some kids may be great soccer players. Some may be great atletes but most top ecnl players have something a bit Special.
I think Crush just graduated their first class of playersHow is it they are supposed to have a collegiate track record?
1:04 Stallions Dynamite is an anomaly.It was an SDFC, a Crush team, and then for the last 2 years a Stallions team. Glory to the screamer coach. Has he found another team that can duplicate that success, even at an individual level? He had a bunch of other teams that pretty much broke apart after few years with everyone joining Match Fit or World Class (or even worse IGFA).
Just look at the crush website.
When these clubs put colleges on website, half the time these girls are going for very, very little or no money. Looking at crush, there are several not even playing currently at these schools. Not sure why, but not on rosters.Cryer even sent out a press release a few years saying that all his girls got full rides a few years back. even though several were going Ivy League. That was one he wished he never sent... All these start up clubs mean well, but they are all now in it for ego and money. They were great years ago when they were young and working for sdfc. They also have had very little exposure and experience to the our college recruitment process and have very few relationships. This is where a PDA has a huge leg up, years of relationships, experience and track records. Ecnl also helps in a big way. I know WC isn't great, but a big step up from the clubs mentioned above.
Crush has been around forever. They had great teams and put a lot of players into college say 6-10 years ago. DOC went to Stallions and took a lot of their players.
After reading all the negative comments on this u-14 match fit team. Their last 2 results were very encouraging. Tied world class and lost 1-0 to a first place pda team. Are you people serious that 6 games in you are ready to throw a team in the fire like that. Typical american sports mentality. Sad.
wow, wasn't the idea of playing sports and competing to have fun, get better at something, learning about how to part part of a strong team and a leader. Seems like the lesson many of you have been taught and then are teaching your kids is something of elitism. You can bang on Crush all you want, but i can tell you that the girls on our team adore one another, love the coach, love the program. our parents, for the most part, dont sit around talking trash about other teams and just enjoy whatever success is lucky enough to fall on us. Since when is it admirable to be an obnoxious elitist talking down to others because you elected to go to an elitist but less successful program? Have you ever wondered whether your kid would even have a spot on that illustrious but lesser quality team if the top 2,3 from all the "halve-nots" decided to come to tryouts?When the dust settles and her playing days are over, I think you'll realize you made way too much of this unnecessary. How you act, is how your daughter will act.
The coach is mellowing out since the split from stallions. He still has to tendency to drive girls real hard which may be too much for some kids.
These guys are all jumpersSdfc, crush, stallions all the same.
Those clubs should all merge and then would have one really good team. Could create a DA. And be really strong. As it stands each has just 1-3 good players.
Even with 3 good players per team, and a 3 way merger it would be hard to field a 22 person DA team.
But its 2 birth year groups. So 12 per year.
coaches jump from all programs all the time PDA keeps most trainers but WC, MF have lost many of their top trainersMaximus coach has one of the best from WCMF Coach just left for WC and took players with himWC top coach left and at Clarkstown nowSDFC and Crush (other then Cryer Stallions team) are in a higher league then Stallions - SDFC and Crush girls end up leaving and going to PDA, WC and MF. If SDFC or Crush were granted ECNL or DA they would keep and get more talent then WC and MF - better training better organized clubs. We end up at places that we don't necessarily want to be because that is where the highest level of competition is once over U15. Been there done that
Let it go crush. You have no fields and no teams. You have lost every good player you have ever had. And they all started and were trained somewhere else. Your u5 academy program is a little much....
yes, you are right, one of my daughters left as well.I guess the post was a little over your head because if you read it you would understand i said they leave. Guessing Crush rejected your daughter since you only have negative comments to say. Good luck to you. Haters end up losers.cheers
Crush is just average in the pack of B level clubs. Average players average coaches. Maybe one or 2 decent trainers. Not gonna take your kids to the next level.
People are so foolish. The Club does not take the kid to the next level, the kid takes herself to the next level. Crush has absolutely all the necessary items to allow a kid to be special and if you checked the facts you'd see several PDP, ID2, Region 1 and Select Region 1 invitees. That therein is the issue. You elitists think your inclusion in an elite invite-only cult makes you special, makes your kids special, and make sthem better. It doesn't. yes, many kids on these ecnl and gda teams are outstanding, outrageously great players and great kids with great families. My guess is that those are not the trolls surfing this site. As many up here have said, when the dust settles and this ferris wheel ends, your kid will a product of you. and lord help those kids of some of the nasty parents up here, they'll hopefully be able to be better people than you. You all are like these elite golf club richie rich folk who think that the players who work at the local courses are no good, beneath you and your precious children. Quoting this site, its a good thing many of these top kids from these secondary clubs dont want to be part of your elitist hangout else your kid probably doesnt have a spot on the team!
be thankful for the fools, for not for them the rest of us would not be successful
Elitist means that it is out of the financial reach of certain people. The cost at most of these clubs ecnl or npl is about the same. If your kid can play at the highest level why are you not seeking to compete against the highest level. Yes i get it there are kids at these other clubs that are great in their age group against current competition. How do you know where they really stand if you dont see them play against the best teams. Pf pda mfa world classs. Those teams dont play you because its a waste of their time. Just like top d1 coaches. The special kids will trickle up to the top level. And leave the mediocre clubs/teams even more mediocre. Look at the national team rosters its all ecnl. If your kid can play ecnl/da what are you waiting for? Your stubborn reluctance is only limiting her opportunities. If your kid is #1-2-3 on their team then they are not in a great spot to learn. Their learning curve slope will be flattened because of the players around them. You want your kid to find a team level to ideally be 5-9 on a roster. This way they will be pushed and challenged and learn. You need to keep moving them up levels until they either have no more levels or are in that 5-9 sweet spot. Contrarily if your kid is 11-15 maybe you should move down a level. The hardest thing is to honestly appraise your kids talent. Seek outside opinions. But if you think your kid is good enough for ecnl/da go to a practice and see if they get invited. Once you have the answer then you can decide. Does that sound so elitist?
Apparently there was an interest for NPL/ECNL competition that is getting solved - at least on the boys side:http://usclubsoccer.org/programs/leagues/elite-national-premier-league-enpl/Whole ECNL/NPL structure is troubling. Lots of weak spots, no relegation. More marketing than training provided by the respective organizations.I also have a different development model from the one mentioned above.Field players dont necessarily develop their skills by being placed against other players at a higher level on a curve. Fundamental skills are developed through deliberate practice typically based on an internal drive of a player. Passing accuracy, first touch, shooting technique are such fundamental skills. Being 1-3 or 5-9 on the team has very little to do how the kid can improve, the motivation can comes from social media, individual classes, or other events such as PDP and NTC camps. Then you have certain other skills where different degree of difficulty allows you to master them. Whether it's a 1v1 skill or group defending (which you need to develop by increasing opponent's capability - not by diving into the most difficult situation). Even being a best player in a given position does not mean you are best at every position, but can also lead to a lot of added leadership responsibility - I'm not buying that being 5-9 has any of that - and it may be a key attribute when moving out of the soccer life. Finally you can also break up the team into positions the 1-3 or 5-9 analogy does not work. For instance, when you look at barcelona's MSN - each one of the players has some unique strengths and weaknesses that they add to the mix. However, they also depend on the great midfielders. Crappy play from Rakitic or Iniesta meant they suffered 2 losses from not-so-great teams.
First of all using Barcelona as an analogy for team make up of any kids team does not work. Every player on that team has world class skill. The problem with youth teams less so with ecnl teams like pda but more pronounced on the local clubs is the tip to tail variance in skill and mental level. I do agree with you about the technical side but also feel like the best technical trainers are accessible through private camps clinics like red bulls and more. My assumption good or bad was that the 1-2-3 kid was at the top of technical development and also athletically gifted. Thus development and growth was from the mental game learning arena. You can watch all you want on tv but until you start using and having actual success and failure then you dont really gain knowledge. Its like saying you can perform a surgery by watching on tv. An example of what i am talking about is creative play. If player A wants to make a back heel pass but player B does not recognize or expect or have the awareness to be in position for that pass then after 1-2 failures player A regresses to simple standard play. How is that good for player A's development. On a similar note if players are only able to pass to feet and are not playing to space how does that help a player develop. My point with 1-3 5-9 etc was that you want to play with kids that are at a similar level mentally so that you can push them and they can push you. To crystalize this think of an extreme example. Assume Ronaldo were to play with the best college team in the US. He is so many standard deviations away from their level what is he going to gain? Zero. So as you bring that example back to youth soccer how much less is number one learning than #10? I would say significantly. Can #1 still learn. Sure. Just not as much as they could being in the ideal environment. If your kid is at that top level wouldnt you want to see them maximize their opportunity? I do.
I kind of agree. Dont you think if DA works the way they hope its much better for the kids?
It sounds like 1-3 and 5-9 is the argument against the DA. When the DA team is a mix-up of 2 age groups it is clearly to provide 2 different opportunities to kids over a long term.One year you're the 1-5.. the next year you're 5-9. No matter how you look at it. Good clubs do it by mixing up age groups in practice, and I have seen it done at all of the A and B clubs alike. Match Fit does it especially well - they mix up their teams from game to game.
what a joke. more entitle wealthy know it alls telling everyone else whats right and whats wrong. how about just shutting your traps and do what you believe in, rather than telling everyone how you have it right and they have it wrong. has it ever struck any of your incredo=geniuses, that maybe, just maybe, despite your sucking on all the marketing bullet points hook line and sinker...maybe just maybe you have it wrong. geez, couldnt be. after all you've been doing this for 3 decades with hundreds of kids, right? do what you think is right, just stop telling everyone else how wrong they are.
Angry little troll...
Im kind of tired of hearing that ecnl is an elitist system. All these clubs cost between 2200 and 3000. Uniforms are usually extra. Id say most between 2500 and 3000. So you are telling me $50 a month is keeping you from playing top level? I think if your kid can play there and make an impact im sure they can find scholarship money at any of these clubs. dont let the many scare you away. Any club can find ways to help. Travel can be pricier with ecnl but i bet rush blue families paid more last year. I just wouldn't let money be a deciding factor. Just like college.
For many money is NOT the deciding factor
Mf looking surprisingly competitive after a win and tight loss. New team. New coach. Will probably be strong in the spring. No affiliation actually just thought this blog overly critical.
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