5:10 sounds like your kid didnt make the team. Very personal attack. So your comment about 02 strength sdfc will be very strong 03 weak 02. Crush will not be great at 02. Stallions has no current 02. Tsf cant play soccer. Sta will be strong to very strong. My kids team played arsenal beat them last year got crushed by them this year. They are a lot better now. A potent offense. As for playing up its a question of what comes quicker. Getting a new group to gel together more quickly than the tightening age gap. Yes so they are going to play up but its more akin to playing up a half year. Its ok to challenge kids. really comes down to how deep your talent pool is. With the exception of pda i think many will struggle with the change. Do i think maximus will be the best 02 team no? But i bet they will be better than many. My guess is they will be 4-7 in nj. But your comments sound very personal and uninformed.
US Soccer just sucks right now. Plain and simple. i'm so suprised that there hasn't been more discussion up here about their unfair treatment of the USWNT and their compensation. The USWNT is probably the most recognized sports team in the world, easily the most important american team at any time other than maybe the dreamteam with michael jordan. I don't want my daughter playing professional though I'm sure in her head, she'd love to do so. It's disgusting that someone pays a lesser performing male more than a way outperforming female. Then add in the absolutely stupidity of this age change, the sillyness of detraining kids with headers, and the attempts to have the girls mirror the failing mens academy system when a highly successful ECNL system already exists.US Soccer is a joke.
Can anyone please tell me the comparison in club fees from the top NJ clubs like PDA, STA, SDFC, NJ Crush, TSF etc compared to what I pay currently in town travel.
1022 - agree 100 percent. I just hope enough other people agree. The only positive here will be that ecnl will have to change for the better. They are far from perfect.
1024, best guess, all those programs that go three sessions per week in fall winter and spring, with professional coaches are probably 2800 to 3000 including apparel but not including your costs to travel to tournaments (hotels, food, gas). with your all-in for tournament travel probably more towards 4500 to 5000. Hotels are $150 or so per night x 1 or 2 nights x 3 or 4 tournaments, plus food plus fuel. makes a quality town travel program seem pretty attractive if you can add in supplemental training . aint cheap. Over 8 years, probably amounts to 2 years of college tuition.
1048 your right on! People seem to forget that the amount of money spent can add up and equate to other things, but the experience is also the factor. So to those that have gone through it with older siblings what is the average % of college money does middle of pack player truly get. I'm sure the top 100 players in a region are full rides but what about the 101 to 250. Can anyone chime in on your experience ECNL or Non-ECNL.
What US soccer does or does not do is completely out of the control of any youth soccer customer so they cannot waste too much too worrying about it. They are in search of the best soccer experience they can find and afford for their player and there are some choices to wade through.Hopefully the legal system will do its job and force compliance with the equal pay for equal work law.
Our practices have been chopped up with girls trying out for for other teams, not at practice. its almost like the entire process so far is about coping with this reshuffling. I don't blame them and we've gone to a few as well. My husband spoke to our coach, looked him in the eyes, asked what he thinks, he tells us sincerely what he thinks will transpire, but it offers so little clarity. Our 2002s on the U13 are strong, the 2002s on the U14 are not at that the same level. Good but lesser. There is talk about new bodies coming in, who really knows. The 2003 parents are just as unsure as the same exists with the U12 girls. We scrimmage them now and then. Nice kids, but they are a year behind any way you slice it. Everyone is scratching our heads and guessing how this will shake out. Who will be the coaches, what girls will comprise the team, what the training schedule will look like, how many tournaments they do or don't do, which tournaments? summer select schedules, etc. how long would it take for the girls to figure out how to play with one another if you believe team unity adds to the quality on the field. The biggest is who will get the GotSoccer points. Its not insignificant as those points help seed you in tournaments let alone get you entry into the prestigious tournaments that offer showcasing opportunities. Seriously, how the heck are clubs going to figure out the points and which squad gets which squads previous points totals? YOu can't say that points going into U15 or u14 don't matter. Speaking to friends at other clubs and the coaches at the tryouts we've attended, it seems most are in the same boat. This whole thing seems just so unnecessary. After all, didn't creating the Girls DA solve the issue of targeting and identifying and segregating the best of the best of the best??10000+ in agreement, US Soccer sucks for paying the women less than men! and screwing up a great soccer landscape for every kid in the country, not just the top tier like the kids of parents reading this site.
I dont follow your argument on points. Why wouldn't the team just continue with the points they have after the season end? do points reset to zero after each season?
Yes but is the current U13 team the U14 team or the U15 team next fall? Half the players go to one age and half go to the other. Maybe more than half.
We were told that next year's 2003 team will have this year's u13 team's points, the 2002 team will have the current u14 team's points. Has anyone else heard that?
1:27. I think he is referring to the following scenario. U14 2000 ptsU13 15000 ptsU12 3500 pts02 is u14 and u 13. Lets say you choose to assign the points there. So 15000 to that team. 03 is u13 and u12. They would then use the u12 points or 3500. So 03s on current u13 team would effectively lose those points.
5:10 haha.There are clubs that need depth to survive and there are teams that recruit well. Arsenal Maximus program can recruit very well (Region 1 players, id2 players, RTC players). They train hard and play well. They certainly have a core 2002 group that belongs in the 2002, and their 2003 team mates are just as strong. They will do well, they have played up in the past.If they sucked, WC or Stallions wouldn't be begging them to join.
@1:48 that is what we were told, I think the assumption (though not true in many instances) is that all teams are about equally as strong points wise so no one is losing points. But if you have one strong team in the middle of two weaker teams the younger players on that midlle strong team do lose their points. It's not perfect but I think it is better than wiping out all points and just starting everyone at zero.So here is what we were told-U12 team (03/04) with 15,000 points U13 team (02/03) with 18,000 pointsU14 team (01/02) with 10,000 pointsFall 2016-U13 team (04)- 15,000 pointsU14 team (03)- 18,000 pointsU15 team (02)- 10,000 pointsIs it really any different than what is going on with region 1 play? the winners of the current u13 region 1 season, would qualify to play something (champions league?) next year- so will it be the 03 or 02 team who gets to play? I thought I read on here that it will go to the 02 team. Correct me if I am mistaken.
Ha - What are the Maximus girls going to do when 3/4 of their mates go to high school the following year? I think these parents know this program has one year left and they are looking now.
2:38 - 2002 birth year will be U15 next year and 2003 birth year will be U14 next year.Current U13 is 02/03 mix. Of that mix, the 02s become U15 and the 03s become U14 next year.Under current rules, the RCL champion and runner-up receive berths in the NL for the next season. So, without BYC, the current U13 teams would be competing for U14 NL slots next year.However, I have heard, like you have, that because of BYC, U13 teams are effectively competing for U15 NL slots because of where the 02s will be next year.But, also under current rules, there is a requirement that a NL team must have no less than 9 players on its roster that were on the roster of the qualifying team. Depending on a team’s current birth year distribution between 02s and 03s, there might not be 9 players left on a roster from a qualifying team.Also, if current U13s are competing for U15 NL slots, how will all of the U14 NL slots be filled next year when the current U12s are not competing in RCL, but only state and regional cups.It becomes obvious, that new NL rules will need to be established to accommodate the BYC.
3:23 :What is your issue/fixation with maximus Mate?What did they do to you? If they have issues with high school you would guess that they are well aware. Is the team 50/50 7th and 8th?I just dont understand why you keep attacking that team.
Is it the same maximus thats eanked #5 in nj and 22nd in the country. They must be terrible with rankings like that.
Tons of respect and pride to the fine ladies on our USWNT!! Yeah, Abby screwed up but she didn't murder anyone. Yet, as a group, they basically decided to go head on against their employer, top of the pyramid for what they think is right. Its not their belief, its everyone's belief that they should no way be earning so much less than the men! You go girls! I think everyone stands behind you gals!
I think this team is more like number two in the state, they are better than sta and SDFC. I also think they are more like number 5 in the country, got soccer isn't always perfect.
Which teams majorities are 02 and which ones 03. I heard sdfc and crush u13 willBe mostly 03.
Looking at maximus recent results they just beat STA and wallopped SUSA who finished #2 f2 jeff cup. And maximus won their jeff cup flight.
@4:02 I do not understand what you are saying. This year's u13 teams are a combination of 02 birthdays from August-December and 03 birthdays from January through July (or later if there are girls playing up). u13 next year will be 2004 only, not 2003. It is not a choice.
@4:19Im asking what the breakdown of different teams u13 are or you can say where the talent lies. So SDFC Rage will play 03 and crush most talent i think is 03.
President Obama should be sitting down the heads of US Soccer. Had the girls to the white house, claimed "bad ass", something NOONE has ever said about the USMNT. And yet his government subsidizes and funds a systematic discriminatory practice of paying women less than men for the same, or better job. You can read so many interesting articles on the topic including some that talk about boycotting the men, etc. US Soccer should solve the problem, pay women properly rather than their goofy defense of a crappy position.
Now I understand @4:42. I do not know the breakdowns of those specific teams, but I would assume that around half are 02 so plenty of room for new players to make either team. I expect that to be the case almost everywhere and that clubs will be actively recruiting from outside to find 2003 girls from u13 teams as opposed to just moving up the 2003s from the u12 teams because the current u13 2003's have been playing at a more competitive level than the u12 2003s.
Next year will be a starting fresh situation for everyone, SDFC, Crush, PDA, Maximus, STA, the list goes on, noone is exempt whether you are staying together or playing up. Each has major risks and major rewards. Time will tell.
Sorry i meant other teams besides sdfc and crush. Looking to do some tryouts.
3:23 only WC and Stallions trolls who wanted to take over Maximus' talent would try to convince parents to split.
3:23 please enlighten us with what you think the maximus girls should do? You must be a much better coach than the one they have the way you attack them on this site. Wc and stallions both garbage in u13 u14. And classless if thats the case.
There is a great video that the US Women put out regarding this lawsuit and what its truly about. great great video. ill see if i can get the hyperlink. i accessed it through the NWSL supporters site.And in the world of gross acts, someone said that US Soccer sent a subtle message that if they adjusted pay, they'd be forced to save monies elsewhere which could include pulling the financial support of the NSWL. Whoa thats low!!
If true that they threatened their support of NWSL if they have to match pay, they should be relieved of their jobs immediately, terminated and sent packing. If we all wanted to do something , we should find who we petition or how to support the action brought by the women. I think we all probably have huge affection for that team and can personalize their struggles since it very well could be someone's daughter one day.
Abby messed up something awful. Who in their right mind tells the cops about their using cocaine and weed a decade earlier if you're pulled over for a DUI? the DUI is wreckless , but blabbing to the cops is just stupid. She muddied up the USWNT's suit for equal pay a bit.
Maximus has an excellent trainer and a very good team. The issue with them is that they only play to win. The manager claims it is about development but it is really for the development of the top 11 or 12 players. They have no problem sitting girls for an entire game or only playing them 5-10 minutes a game, which happens more often then not. That is not development of all the players as they claim when they recruit. If your daughter is very strong and can get playing time, it's a great place. If she will be the 13th or higher player, then accept she will not see much of the field during games. At this age, most teams aren't all about winning, they are. As long as you know that and accept it, then go for it.
Please read article. Another simple analogy would be a law firm. Let's say two senior partners, one a male and one a female didn't have equal pay. Let's say the female partner billed 1.5million and the male partner billed 500k. Should the male partner make equal pay? NO.Folks, there is something called revenue and for what it's worth, the men's side has much more coming it's way. This is just simple economics, nothing else.http://www.businessinsider.com/womens-small-soccer-salaries-are-fair-2015-7
They did not do equal work in that scenario. It is equal pay for equal work for the same employer.
Did I hear Maximus #2 in NJ? Thanks mommy or daddy for that. Congrats on the 4th flight in Jeff cup. Glad you drove 7 hours to play a team that is 30 minutes from your home. The only thing they have won within NJ is indoor state cup where 2-3 good teams even attend, and a small sided state cup. When you actually beat through a good amount of NJ teams, when you win your league, when you win something that is not in the 3-5 bracket, then speak up. Your a good team, nothing else. There are 15 "good" trams at the u13 age group, there are 3 very good teams, unfortunately you aren't one of them. Your 03s who are remaining on the team for next year are nut jobs. Clueless. You will have a very big wake up call. Good luck ;-)
A partner in a law firm is also not an employee. They are a partner.
so what about about female golfers, if they win 5 tour events a year, should they make the same as a male who wins 5 tournaments a year?What about two prostitutes, one is hot and one is not. Should they be paid equally for the same amount of work? why does the ceo of Jnj make more than the ceo toysrus? I'm sure they both work equally as hard.
10:39. Since you brought it up. Rankings and tiers. In nj two national level teamsPda galaxyRush blueNext tier very good teamsSdfc Pda southMaximusRush grey STa. Next tier good teamsCherry hillPda crewNext tier decent teamsPda shore waveCrush nplTsfCrush heatSjeb
I'm not sure there is any set of criteria that i've read from financial figures, to estimate of goodwill, to being the marquee sports team that suggest the women should be paid 1/4 of what the men earn. There is only one justification, that these are women, that many years ago their only place was in the kitcken, that while we enjoy having them in the work place, they can not be taken seriously, and can not really contribute very much. There is no way anyone knowledgeable about soccer would ever elect to watch the women's game versus the men's game. It doesnt matter that the men generated a loss while the women's earned a 7$mil profit. it doesn't matter about X world cups and Y olympics, and that women's soccer is probably the most popular, fastest growing sport in the country. These are women and they should be grateful for whatever w pay them. That is really the only justification I can imagine for paying them less. And its disgusting. Just vile. Does anyone actually think the men's team at any point in the next 2,3 years will be taken seriously? they just lost 2-0 to guatamala and almost got booted from World Cup qualifiers. I love them too. i do. They try hard. but lets be real, the women making 1/4 as much? Its prejudicial and they will win in court, and US Soccer will have a massive smear on its face.
FIFA outsted ex prez Blabber face basically said he didn't follow the game, and really didn't know much about Alex Morgan. Just shows the mentality of most to the women's game. After this last world cup, and the energy the US Women helped generate in Canada, this has to change.
It's all about Cash Flow as MNT and WMT under the same umbrella are ran as two different entities. In reality soccer in U.S. does not generate enough revenue at all. Look at the most recent NCAA final four (National broadcasted w/ numerous cooperate sponsorships with TV networks and commercial ads) = $$$ for conferences. ACC conference alone will get 40 million. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15071018 Same goes with the 4 major sports in U.S. (NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB) profits are coming from national recognition in the TV Networks and corporate sponsorship. Athletes make additional $ from Endorsements. National Men's and Women's teams doesn't even get televised unless it's a World Cup or Olympic game. Plus with a 90 minute match of continued clock when is there a chance for a cooperation to purchase commercial time besides Halftime. Without Cash Flow for WNT then increase salaries are difficult.
The law says equal pay for equal work. The court will make a determination. IF a female golfer and a male golfer are employed by the same organization for the same work you can pay either less than the other based on their gender. I do not think pro golfers are typically employees in the sense that that the men's and woman's national team members are employed by the federation, so I doubt this would ever be the case.
meant to write you CANNOT pay either less the other based on gender if they have the same employer and do the same work.
They have a better chance than other athletes and entertainers and I'd guess they win or settle. Easy way for the Federation to make this work is pay them all the same scale with some type of profit sharing. Going to be very hard and ugly for them to claim that it's not equal work.
i think they should all quit and play somewhere else that's more fair, like the men's team. And my always told me to never argue with a women, so I agree one hundred percent with the above poster.
I think they should let women try out for the men's team and let the men tryout for the women's team. Settle it on the field.
I think I am glad my daughter lives in this country where woman vote and demand protections for the fair treatment of our daughters and sons.
I think the USWNT should play in bikinis or at a minimum all spandex.That would definitely draw some viewership.Yay misogyny!
It's should be all based on sports performance just like any other sport, you perform great you get a big contract. The only difference is U.S. Soccer is not contractual as the 4 major sports U.S. National teams can move you in and out at every training sessions. Why do you think there is roster updates every month.
That's not fair. You should not be able to get cut, they should have tenure, like the unions.
306 Agree even though the WNT pulled up teenage girls onto the squad that are extremely great players there are 100's of potential College and NWSL players that could easily made the roster as well and been difference makers. So is there Child labor laws in affect since there is 17 year old players called up without some type of great compensation pay.
Question for any current u13 PF parents. How often does TM miss trainings? Is he at most all of them or should parents expect the assistant to be running most trainings?
The men need to draw viewers more than the women. Make those shorts shorter boys.
Pf parent here. In the fall tm was head coach and rarely missed. In winter/spring ss is head coach. I have no reason to doubt tm attendance won't meet expectations
@10:39I made a pretty accurate rankings list. Lets see your top 15.
Rankings are completely subjective if you dont use a well defined, calculated metric like Gotsoccer or TopDrawer, others. I'm not defending them but they have a purpose mainly to feed parent ego, to give tournaments a preliminary way to seed stuff, and to make GS tournaments more attractive than non-GS events.If you dont use a metric, the alternative is a parent who hasn't seen a team in years, if ever. And even if they did, would they know what they were looking at? would a team that lost 2-0 be considered "better" in the minds of the winning parents despite the fact that the losing team out possessed, out shot, out played the winning team who simply had, for example, a killer goalie while the losing team's coach was trying to teach the girls a new formation at the expense of being more competitive. Would parents see that quality or simply look at scores? Gotsoccer does not see the quality, just results. In 2,3 years, this all becomes a memory and they each go their own way, hopefully to fun, enjoyable careers at a great academic institution. I wish I had taken things more slowly with my older daughter as it was over way too quickly. Try to enjoy it a bit more, it really is an amazing time in their lives and your lives. It will be over before you know it. Screw the rankings.
So lets re-word the question. If you had to make a list of 5 teams to develop your kid as a soccer player in new jersey, which teams would you choose?
By track record, PDA and MFA have no peers. I'd put NJ Crush, Stallions, and Wildcats next.
9:51 I think you answered a different question. The one you answered is more valid for showcasing/exposure to colleges. Then it becomes an ecnl vs the world question. Most kids are developed at other clubs then go ecnl. Also it was actual teams not clubs. This is more to identify the top clubs at development. What actual u13 teams will make your daughter a better player than when she got there. My list based on kids ive seen outside their clubs. Pda galaxySdfc rageSTA nplarsenal maximusNj crush heat
What a set up question, you probably should have waited a few more hours to respond to yourself.
Where is crush coming from as a top spot, what a joke.
Where is crush, never seen them play in any real event. Looks like they have three teams at this age, that tells me they are more about cash then training. And stallions? They talk about a one team wonder that was not even their team and the poor girls had to jump to 4 clubs before settling in for last two years.
The only people talking about how crush is a money maker, clearly don't know what they are talking about. I pay 2600 a year for crush and they train 3x a week, twice a week during winter and 6 tournaments both state cups and NPL league The club also offers an extra two sessions in the winter and fall/spring for certain players called CAS. Only a select group though. My daughter was part of this so the last 8 months of our crush experience she has trained 4 times a week and plays as many games and tournaments like other clubs. TSF SDFC and Maximus all cost 3000 plus. Crush have 3 teams, two who can compete (might not win) with any team in state. Next year their 03 team will compete with anyone around. Let's not forget crush u12 have won back to back state cup titles. Don't guess.. Go take a look for yourself. There is a reason why their first birth year session has over 95 kids signed up for the 03 team. Only 30 of them being actual crush players. My daughter is safe so the more players, the better ;-)
Response to 8:58am post, nj crush has the following: 5 players part of PDP (what gets you to ID2)5 players part of ODP3 players part of NTC (national training center- gets the likes of us national staff in attendance) For a "club" and not an academy like pda or match fit.. Seems to be the place for individual development and reaching success. You find two teams outside pda that have that many players in participation in high level ID camps like the two nj crush teams do
10:05. Which two clubs?
10:14, Agreed! He's always been a pot stirrer up here, first it was for the Stallions and now Crush. Top programs don't need to tout themselves up on anonymous blogs. You have nice parents and nice kids, but you just never stop up here do you? T minus 90 seconds till the "its not Danny, you're wrong"
Crush is much more expensive than the 2600, they dump fees on top of you all day long, but so do other clubs.As for the u12 state cup, this was 9v9 and all the top teams played 11v11, nice try. All of the best girls have left that team and most of the others. Question, why do al your best players always leave?
What will we do when Maximus moves up in age and we cant mention them in this forum?
Yes, but they are all jumpers. This is his 4th club in 5 years. Stallions, crush, Bulldogs and sdfc are just a bunch of English guys trying to make a living off of the wealthy Northern county people. The top 5 percent of all these girls always end up leaving. But the biggest issue is that with 4 or 5 competing clubs so close, they can never build the best teams.
Haha. Danny Vedder is the best coach in the world. Just ask Danny Vedder.
11:16 you make a good point. Think about taking the top 4-5 from sdfc sta Maximus and sprinkle in a top crush and tsf kid or two. That team would be nationally strong. Seems these teams just cannibalize each other creating very good but not nationally strong teams.
11:16 Stallions have proven they can build the best team (Dynamite) in the past with arrival of their DOC (via 4 other clubs), now they hope to repeat it with Freedom. Its possible, especially when ECNL (other than PDA) at some age groups are very weak.I'm not sure why posters here attack 9v9 play and praising "top teams played 11v11". Arent all teams going to be 4v4 then 7v7 and 9v9 for the younger age groups? Its more touches on the ball, in tighter spaces - better development, smaller teams, higher coach-to-player ratio. What is the consensus on "playing up" like Arsenal. Is it better for development or not? Does it force kids out of their element and makes the 5% shine, or you end up losing potential talent, because outstanding kids cant build confidence, dont develop skills at the right pace? How many of the kids that were meant to play up, end up bench-warmers mid way through the season?
The comment about 9v9 was about bragging on winning state cups without any competition, nothing to do with small sided play.The only reason arsenal is playing up is because of the age rule change and they are a club with zero depth across age groups. Playing up is only good for a select few, most struggle if playing up on premiere teams. With the BYC, I do think you will see more girls playing up because they have already been playing against half these players for years. Question on crush - who will be coaching the premiere team at 2003 next year and will you combine the best of all three teams at this age group? I know most of the stronger girls are 2002 kids, so who will be coaching them?
Both STA and Maximus played 9v9 as long as they could - They have benefited from that enormously based on their performance. Most arguments against 9v9 seem to be trollish, I'm sure they play other games with legit competition outside of the state cup. Maximus also won the 9v9 state cup (as did Rage Renegades before)- kudos to them. So, unless you're the top player (and by that I mean Galaxy) it does not make sens to play up? Is it skill/movement or is it the reaction time/speed/physicality that you need to learn at U14?
I actually think playing up a half year as a team is not a big deal. Given the quality of edp already i think this will be good for the teams that do. Think about it this way. Sdfc rage will be an 03 team. Is it better for them to go and beat teams 8-0 or to challenge themselves and maybe lose a few games. I would argue sdfc rage would develop their players better by having them play u15 next year. Think its a disservice to those kids dropping down a half step. If you don't challenge kids they wont be strong in the long run. I would rather have my kid play up to u15 vs playing u14. Shes 02 though so shes got no option.
At this age why generalize for an entire team. Some may benefit from playing and some may suffer. Have knowledgeable coach look at the individual child and make an appropriate choice.
Playing could also be a negative, as you're going against bigger and perhaps stronger girls and you might struggle. Who knows. time will Tell. i think its contradictory given that US Soccer says play up with the new girls Academy grouping 2003s and 2002s together. Are thee rules requiring a certain percentage of DA teams to be 2003s so they dont get phased out? the very selection process they worried about with BYC will otherwise come into effect with DA selections some 2002s will be off to high school playing against kids who might be 3 and 4 years older on varsity. I worry what will happen to our team the following season when a majority of the kids are off to high school. I think our 2002 squad will end up being predominantly older 2002s, and my kid will end up without teammates, or fill in kids for her U15 season when it counts. The whole thing blows. The U13s and U14s should have been grandfathered out of this. Those National team selections for u13 and u15 are pretty much set by now anyway.
My kid played on a team that played up to u11 and u12. They struggled at first but after they got used to the size and strength differential they ended up winning the league for the last 3 seasons they played. Team is now a top west coast club. Unless you have small weak kids it makes no sense not to play up. And socially its so much better to play your school age. I wish my team was staying together and playing up.
140 So your from the West Coast on NY/PA/NJ blog. HHmmmm!
Looking back at the teams that have played 11v11 early on - only SDFC seems to be doing relatively well - but they do play a lot of games (50+ for rage, 60+ for galaxy). I wonder if the rest dissipated (rush gray, barons, cherry hill) or betting on brawn vs skill did not work out for them so well.Im excluding PDA here, because their program scrimmages internally in 5v5 and 8v8, including boys teams.
The USWNT mauled columbia 7-0 and looked the most potent I have ever seen them. Horan, Long, Tobin, Crystal Dunn. new faces, incredible skill. This new generation of players is at the top of the world talent pool. You dont mess with something that works, and works well. This whole thing is classic bad decision-making. Ther
I don't think it matters at this point who played 11v11 early and who stayed 8v8 longer. The teams that are good are able to attract new talent at tryouts so that they can cut their bottom players. Each year a few girls (even ones that were previously strong) start to lag behind. If you cannot replace the weaker players with stronger girls, you won't be as good the next year. Sdfc rage added a few quality players this year (and cut a few at the same time) which is why they are so good and they have to continue to do so each year to remain at the top. If they just fill all of their spots internally for next year, they won't be nearly as competitive IMHO.
SDFC does not play well any more against good teams. Too much churn. They beat up teams with 1/4 their prestige on gotsoccer, and then play close games against teams with 1/2 their points. Probably good time to jump on the team as they will need to refuel their tank.
Why the hate for sdfc? Aren't they just playing the teams they are assigned to play? Top flight of edp, region 1.
#true SDFC is most odd club. 2 good coaches, heavy recruiting. Look at the U12 Galaxy - top team, plays 64 games, second team plays 31 games. Would you feel as a parent that you're bankrolling the trips to those 10 tournaments for the other team?U13 Rage - will win group play in region 1, bailed out of state cup, could have saved on travel, better competition. my bet is they will lose EDP to Maximus in rematch of Maximus' first 11v11 game.
I can't see SDFC 2002 staying with the club and playing with EDP 2nd league samba.. Maximus? Match Fit?
2002 Maximus, 2003 MF
Honest opinion. Would you drive 2.5 hours one way to an ecnl club? Is it worth thw sacrifice. We may be in that position next year. Thanks
No way, life is way more important than youth soccer.And you must live very far west in pa.
9:50 I do some crazy stuff for my kids sports but that is not reasonable, good luck
950 NO WAY 2.5 hours one way is insane! My limit and many others are about 1 hour. Sorry but ECNL clubs train 3 days a week and 1 or 2 games on the weekends plus over night away games. At 2.5 hours you and your daughter could easily spend 20+ hours per week in your car. That's equivalent to almost 2 whole days per week. If your daughter is that special of a player than it may be worth just relocating where you live.
Where do you live?
Would a family honestly relocate to play youth girl's soccer? That seems all kinds of crazy.
If you do do that, do not admit it! Looney tunes.
Ave house price in Bethesda is only 840k if you want to come this way.
instead of 2.5 hours one way, find a local trainer and do extra 2 practices a week. you just saved 12 hours. If you think that the local team is not up to par, ask yourself, how did your kid get good enough to play ecnl, on a horrible team. Maybe ecnl is not what she really needed after all.If you need extra practice competition, play with good boys team. They will stretch your girls capabilities even more than ECNL.
Yes there have been families relocating or moving closer to PDA facilities in North Jersey. Seen it first hand from my oldest daughter.
Just wow. I should have gone into youth sports.
Well parents do it for other youth sports all the time. If you can swing it financially and relocate jobs why not.
With respect to geographic access to ECNL, using PF ECNL as a case study, there are currently five players across all age groups from west of the Susquehanna River. This number would have been seven, but two moved into LANCO within the past year. Expect the "West Shore" count to tick up by at least one, if not two next season. Of course, girls DA at PAC, or ECNL status for PAC would likely considerably shorten the commute for skilled players in the PA hinterlands.
Because it it a youth sport, a game, an activity. What is so inherently valuable about it that you would relocate to play it a certain club when it is played almost everywhere? I suppose if you had a child that was freak of nature that could go pro and earn a living, maybe. But woman's soccer? I guess everyone just draws the line in a different place. Enjoy!
119 agree! Is anyone at the Parade this is why the 4 major sports in U.S. are more marketable and draw $'s than soccer. It's crazy downtown in Philly right now makes you wonder if Philly Union would ever be celebrated like this if they won MLS Cup or Men's/Women's college soccer would win NCAA tournament for soccer I doubt it. Forget DA/ECNL keep your girls playing multiple sports as you never know if they will excel in something more celebrated.
Ok. But I was going for something more celebrated than being great at a sport. Support a family, build a business, build a community. Building a team is great. Pursuing a sport is great. Are they important enough to relocate for? I guess to each his own but I don't see the wisdom of putting sports, any sports, on such a pedestal.
I'm 133 I would never relocate for a sport that does not provide enough of an income at the Women's level to support a family. Like I said my dd is multisport and I want her to stay that way until she commits to a school.
2.5 Hours what are thinking 9:50 you need a life and so does your daughter. But I suggest looking into the ECNL Discovery player status as a club may offer you that. I've seen first hand clubs in NY that have done this but with newly added ECNL clubs those specific players may not need to do it anymore. Players coming from Western NY state.http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/resource_center/451485.html
I did the one hour drive for ecnl. Its not worth it. practices could get moved a little farther away. sometimes practices were changed. next thing you know we are driving 1.5 each way because of traffic, for 1.5 of practice. stay close, there are alot of good clubs around. Let her do her homework. if she gets into a great school because of soccer, she better be able to keep up or she will never pay her bills after college.
If travel isn't an issue, which club in PAE should my daughter go with? We're within an hour of PF, CFC, and FC Bucks- Will cfc actually get the girls DA? Results-wise, PF seems to be much better. I've heard so many conflicting things about all of the clubs
1140 - IMHO, CFC or FC Bucks is a better place for a long-term commitment on the part of both parties. Many of the Reading area girls have been gravitating towards CFC.
11:40 if your daughter wants to play soccer in college and can handle an intense environment she should give pf a try.
PDA tournament; incompetent or unethical? Clearly incorrect flighting. Inaccurate score reporting. Fields changing without notice to either team. Probably both incompetent and unethical.
Please elaborate @10:53? Who was misflighted? What is unethical? What score is wrong?
FC Stars NPL in flight 1? Nova had there way with them and are now cruising in flight 2.
Cruising in flight 2? I guess the scores (and opponents?) are wrong. I see 1-0 victories against perennial powerhouses like Morris United and GPS. Poor Nova. The Jan Brady of PDA. Galaxy Galaxy Galaxy. That's all we ever hear. We're always Galaxy's little sister or Shores older sister...
The big difference between CFC and Bucks vs PF is whether your child is looking for development or exposure. At u13/u14, you might want to go for development while there’s still time. PF could easily lose its value as a showcase club soon, anyway. CFC and Bucks have awesome coaches for the upcoming year. But, CFC is still focused on the boys. PF – it doesn’t seem to matter who coaches because they really aren’t teaching much. Everyone plays one position, one formation, in a rigid style. A girl needs to know the style/formation to get on.Lots of pay to play rumored at PF. Lots of turnover and tears. An academy or ECNL at PA Classics or anywhere in Lancaster would decimate the player pool at PF. BYC and outreach efforts at the other two are likely to improve player quality and decrease it at PF. Also know that PF has been giving out this year’s ECNL spots since last fall. Makes their try-outs a waste of time.
Totally not true that the pf players aren't learning. Both of Coaches at u13 pre ecnl are outstanding. In contrast I have seen very poor sideline behavior from cfc coach but I'm not sure if he is same coach for next year.
The 3 PF ECNL coaches are truly outstanding. That said if your kid is not in the top half of the roster she won't get the same attention as others perceived as not evaluator. However they are open to player's improvement and reward it accordingly. Extra training etc can pay off. Penn fusion right now is the best place to be for the top 5 kids on any of the ecnl /pre ecnl teams. That said if CFC starts paying more attention to the girls that could change. They have some excellent coaches over there and the infrastructure is also present to make a improvements. Frankly their girls results should prod them into more action. The BYC may be problematic. Some of the CFC teams are loaded with older players. Penn fusion is more balanced and will largely reshuffle at the older ages and yes has been moving with the 03 and 02 years early to lock in the best "independent"players before tryouts. The 02s will be beastly next year. 03s have a lot of opportunity. I al sure they are hoping some studs show up to fill out and top off rosters at both ages. Saying tryouts are closed sounds to me like someone is either afraid for their kids spot or is from another club hoping penn fusion doesn't run all over them next year. Kids should tryout where they want tot play and where their parents can support them in going.
The best players go to PDA. The rest go everywhere else .
"Extra training etc can pay off." Yeah, exactly. You pay lots to do extra training with their coaches privately, your kids will get to play wherever she wants whenever. "Donations" are always welcome too.
"Saying tryouts are closed sounds to me like....."they went to the pre try out meeting and heard them say ECNL will be informed after the first try-out. Who does that unless they have already decided? That plus the 20 kids who say they've offers already.Sounds like someone wants kids to miss other try-outs to weaken other clubs and leave the kid with no better options than the west chester money maker NPL and C teams.
That's the PF way . It's a business .
The best don't go to PDA if Zarepheth is 2.5 hours from their homes...If the kid is good enough to break into the PF lineup the coaches won't need more than 1 tryout to tell because she will have an impact immediately. It makes perfect sense that they would be able to name the ECNL roster after one tryout. Anyway, with NTC and Penn fusion coaches in ODP what diamond is going to show up unnanounced to tryouts anyway? Yup there might not be opennings for role players that's true.
Why does Arsenal Maximus feel the need to talk so much smack.... Big talk for a team that isn't even following the new soccer guidelines next year.
If you're a top player you're not showing up to a tryout with 100+ players not having been seen before. All clubs make offers before tryouts and after the first tryout. Not sure why PF is being bashed for this. Par for the course up here in ny.
April 4th PDA Tournament prediction guy here (see above blog post). I hit 60% accuracy primarily relying on YSRs with some GS adjustments and personal observations. I picked 6 of 10 finalists and 3 of 5 champions. However, I did not have one clean flight, mostly on account of my PDA picks losing. At least Nova was a finalist. Thanks to the reliable Rush for coming through in the end.
Here are the RCL results from the past week:4/6/2016Elite White2 – SOUTHWESTERN YOUTH CARDINALS3 – HERNDON HURRICANES BLACK4/9/2016 Elite Red0 – EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTER2 – NORDIC PREMIER0 – RHINOS ELITE6 – LEVITTOWN WILDCATSElite Gray1 – KIRKWOOD ACADEMY0 – MSC DRAGONS WHITE 4/10/2016Elite Red9 – SOUTH SHORE SELECT ELITE0 –NORDIC PREMIERElite Blue2 – NORTH UNITED RUSH0 – NORTHERN STEEL STORMElite White0 – ARUNDEL PUMAS1 – SOUTHWESTERN YOUTH CARDINALSElite Gray3 – KIRKWOOD ACADEMY1 – LEE MOUNT VERNON PATRIOTS REDIt’s still too early to predict a winner in the Red Division. North United is now in control of the Blue Division after defeating Northern Steel. SDFC remains in control of the White Division. HMMS previously clinched the Gray Division. The playoffs are on May 7/8 at Kirkwood. Speaking of Kirkwood, this team may be one to watch. Although not ready for F1, it's ahead of all but HMMS and Rush in the Gray Division and has been improving over the past year. If it can survive BYC, it may be a strong contender in mid-tier flights going forward. This week includes a number of weeknight games as teams seek to makeup early season postponements.
April 10, 2016 at 8:05 PM , Mate, you just don't stop do you? My child is not with Maximus, but same as I've said last time you tried to start stuff with Maximus and SDFC, you should just stop. You're like one of these dance moms always looking for drama excitement. I dont think SDFC or Maximus talk any crap up here, you just keep attacking them over and over again. Why do you feel that will help your tryout recruitment with your 95 kids showing up to your open tryouts, why do you need more? and is this the way to go about getting it? VEDDER NJ CRUSHING IT!!!
PDA tournament was excellent. A tournament doesn't have that much control over referees or their calls. When you have a big tournament in central NJ, on a league game weekend, you pretty much have to gobble up every referee thats around to cover all the games. I doubt the Club assigns referees to certain matches in hopes of impacting the outcome. That's a bit too cynical by anyone's imagination.Weather cooperated, and there was great soccer.
PDA has egg on it's face in this age group. How do you let a rival Academy, NJ Rush, come in and win both their flights and you don't take any?? Pretty embarassing for them.
How about TSF coming out of nowhere to take the second flight, I do not think anybody saw that coming.
Yes great job by TSF.
Anyone care to cut and paste the id2 standouts from tds? Not a premiere member but curious. I should drop them from Twitter cause their teasers get me every time but I'm not paying them.
How was PF tryouts last night?
Preliminary Flights for DELCO released. GU13 has six flights total, first two currently stand like this (with YSR rating added for comparison):ChampionshipBracket AALBERTSON SC FURY '02 PRE-ECNL (NYE) (33.08)NEW JERSEY RUSH 02 GIRLS BLUE (FKA RAGE FC RENEGADES) (NJ) (34.03)WAZA FC EAST 03 BLACK (MI) (35.12)CHERRY HILL FC DESTROYERS '02 (NJ) (32.23)Bracket BCLARKSTOWN 2003 WHITE-ROZYCKI (NYE) (32.60)SDFC RAGE (NJ) (33.21)NORTH UNITED FC RUSH (PAW) (33.05)ARSENAL PREMIER MAXIMUS RED 2002 (NJ) (33.08)Bracket CHMMS IMPACT EAGLE FC (PAE) (33.60)NEW JERSEY RUSH 02 GIRLS GREY (NJ) (32.71)SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITE (MA) (33.54)SUSA FC LONG ISLAND SUSA G02' (NYE) (32.90)EliteBracket ACONTINENTAL FC PRE-ECNL '02F (PAE) (32.22)LEE MOUNT VERNON SC LMVSC PATRIOTS RED 02 (VA) (31.54)NJ CRUSH FC HEAT (NJ) (32.25)WESTERN NEW YORK FLASH ACADEMY WNY FLASH GIRLS 02/03 (NYW) (31.56)Bracket BBETHESDA SC FURY PRE-ECNL 02 (MD) (31.54)ISA SLAMMERS 02 NPL (NYE) (31.35)FUTURO 2003G (OTH) (Ottawa Canada)BEADLING 02-03 (PAW) (31.60)Bracket CCREW SC ELITE (OS) (32.12)CFC ARSENAL SKY (CT) (31.25)WASHINGTON UNITED FEVER '03 (NJ) (29.92)ALLEYCATS 02/03G NPL (NYE) (31.13)No argument with the top flight. Big question with Washington United in second flight, particularly with Supernova out of PAE with a rating of 31.26 placed all the down in the fourth flight. Some adjustments need to be made between flights 2 and 4. Of course, DELCO is likely the last hurrah for many of these teams, especially those that will not be competing regional or national championships. The wildcard will be how many of the teams will still be intact after BYC tryouts.
@ 9:57 My kid never moved from her field. My kid is a good technical player, but I recommended to her not playing selfishly and trying to play good possession. The players around her weren't very good and were trying to 'dominate' with awful scissors and stepovers.If she never even gets the chance to play on the top field with quality players around her, what's the point???
1118 Because the Top field is the already selected promised roster of players. All the other participants are there for all the other teams. Like many have said they have chosen there players already from the ID Clinics.
Any tryout numbers for 03 split. I heard Mfa had maybe 40 and they have four teams at the age. JU had tryouts yesterday?
Yes most at MFA tryouts were from within the club.. Not a big turnout.
11:18 why did she show up without a pre tryout session or at least call with the coaches? Sounds like she is a solid player, but one that isn't going to stand out and demand one of the few "open" spots that exist. My advice is get her to a training session at PF ASAP and see what happens. You guys with no older kids you need to understand that tryouts are generally not completely random comparisons at this age. Do some legwork and if she is technical and has a high soccer IQ show it at a session and she will have a good choice at being selected.
so heres a question - i have an 03 kid who has to switch teams - hers is breaking up. good player, npl level, not ecnl. and multisport athlete so not looking to this da everyone is talking about. looking for team within 30 minutes of old bridgetrying to narrow my options and y'all seem to have lots of opinions
It wouldn't matter if she came to the ID dates. The birth year ID worked the same way. The top group was for those who went to PAID programs with club or coach for most of the year. Now the only way is to pay for entire year on a revenue generating lower team. Unless you know someone you pay.
@4:29- you have no clue what you're talking about. My daughter made the 03 team and did none of that. There were over 100 girls at the 03 session. Over 100 for the 04s right before as well (penn fusion)
PAC had a 100 players for 02 tryouts. Taking 16 field players. That should be a good team next year.
Not much competition at MFA tryouts. Glad there early still gives me time to take my daughter to other clubs..
3:13 Mate if your kids is an NPL level player, you know who the other same level clubs are in the area...
@313 nope just transferred here, shes guesting now
9:39 - Just transferred here and the pushers have already enticed you onto this Blog? Just say No, the addiction of this Blog can be worse than crack.
@10:28"Just say No, the addiction of this Blog can be worse than crack."The best information ever given out in this blog
We are not concerned w college scholarships or the entire. My daughter likes to play and our only ulterior motive is that soccer may help her get into one of the schools she likes w a 5-10 percent acceptance rate. How realistic is that for a very bright hard working student athlete? Is it too late for field hockey?
Wnt not entire
5:24 5:32Thanks coach. Try to sound more like a parent, next time. Space your chime in your posts a bit more. With 5 teams to fill 100 isn’t a good number.
I'm 5:32 and am a parent and not the previous poster. What pf coach posts here?
God posts here. You did'nt here, he's at PF. The almighty decider. Cant wait to see the personalities at PF get along.
This weekend’s PA State Cup Quarter Final matchups:HMMS v. FC RevolutionYMS Tempo v. Fairmont FalconsWinners play semifinal on 4/30PAC v. FC Ninjas or FC Bucks (Ninjas and Bucks play 4/15)HFC v. LVUWinners play semifinal on 4/30
It was God/parent/non-coach that posted the birth year events 50 times.
Big game today!! Go Penn Fusion!!!
If your going to act like a PF parent , try a little harder. Who do they even play? PDA
Ok , yes pda @ 3. Go penn fusion!! The most incredible, talented, skilled, determined set of 12/13 year olds ever assembled to play the beautiful game! Especially my daughter!!! ;)
Why so quiet? Pda 3 PF 2. All kids on that field were awesome. Enough said.
Because PDA & PF haven't me a major tourney yet, and haven't beaten the top teams in the region either. So there is nothing to talk about because they haven't prooved anything yet.
9:47 here. We were missing our best player. Seriously, congratulations every kid on the field is awesome and lucky to be able to play the game on this spectacular day.
wow. admin deleting posts to make space for the U14 forum already. the u13 forum broken up into u12 and u14 age groups early with adoption of the new us club soccer rules.
Where should we go to blog ?
I counted about 70 players at PDA u14 tryout, heard they had over 100 sign up though. I don't understand how these coaches can pick from so much talent. I guess they don't look at their top 10 they know of from current roster who are 2003 players, but that still leaves 60 players to pick from. They have to miss a bunch and I don't think these coaches know the top players because they never play against the top NJ teams. Oh well, if my daughter doesn't get selected we are still in a good place and unsure anyway as the new DA is coming next year.
Hard to go to a PDA tryout when ODP sessions conflict with them on Wednesdays.Don't go to tryouts - attend practice sessions and talk to the coach. If the coach is interested, they will let you know.
Only 70? With at least 40 (probably higher) of their own players from the 02-03 teams and 03-04 teams. Figured they'd have a bigger turn out.
70 was just 03...
I know 70 03 players, it isn't that much considering the size of PDA and the amount of players currently on their 03 books who were in attendance.
considering pda has 60 players within driving distance- it is not much
Def. not much. There also making 2 teams.
Looks like clubs are closing the doors and joining barons?
Barons 03s are having 3 or 4 teams? What about the 02s?
759 yes heard the same thing and the following year they merge those teams with Rush squads, amazing how one little business merger can draw so much attention. I'm sure it will calm down in 2 years and other clubs like PDA South, Copa, REAL will pick up unhappy players evolving door.
What league does PDA Crew play in?
This is officially the 03 blog - 02's please move onto the crazy 4000+ blog at U15.
New MFA goalie is holding them together...
PF 2 CFC 2Let the excuses fly......
@4:25 pmNew MFA goalie is holding them together...April 23, 2016 at 4:25 PMWhat team is this MFA goalie on. There are 3 u12 teams ????Just courious ....
No excuse other than PF sucks
@654 you wouldn't be the parents of the girls who got cut (Yes Cut!!) from PF would you? I know a tie is a win for you. You are on the fast track to nowhere. Enjoy:)
Why would any girls get cut already? Tryouts haven't even begun. TM would be ruthless to do that.
Their national player no longer plays with them. Can't imagine that team will do much next year.
http://nplnortheastgirls.demosphere.com/schedules/2015-16/78887667.htmlAnyone can look up scores.
8:39You must be a very pathetic individual. May your kid grow up to be nothing like you.
National players dads pockets are going to get deeper when she gets a full ride to college. And I am sure your kid will grow up just like you, posting on kids soccer blogs at 1130 on a Saturday night. Now that's pathetic.
Thanks for your insight Dad !
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