@3:38 Why would any NJ parent want to travel over to PA. There are programs in NJ that are very strong or just as strong. With Tolls & Traveling it will cost a parent approximately +25% more than just joining PDA or other strong clubs like Match Fit, Rush etc in NJ. To what I saw this last Wed. for signing day I think PDA had 20 girls and NJ Stallions has 15 girls sign D1 commitments. That's more than all the PA ECNL teams combined. Parents need stop following hype but follow results.
Maybe they only go to Pa when they aren't good enough to make PDA .
Pda is always a safe bet, but PDA north is very far. As for MF, they are a joke. The stallions team was an outlier and at six other clubs prior to ending up there, odds of finding another team like that are very low. And they are in northern NJ somewhere. PF is a very good option going forward for SJ. I know there is an upset parent on here that went to,PDA and left because Sally didn't get play time, but this happens with all clubs. She needed to go back and play her age. Rush is a good u13 team, won't see them much after age transition. Not sure what those parent will do after playing 50 games a year...
3:38 pm rightAnd they say they have 49 '03s in the various levels. That's about how many were wearing PF/WC gear. So 4 fields of 8 v 8 with a few standing out, means less than 20 people came. It was a PF mass work-out.
It was also poorly set up. It seemed like the existing teams/levels were put together. Some groups the PFs outnumbered the newcomers by quite a lot and they just shut the new kids out. Placement of the newbies was incomprehensible. Kids who didn't make ODP above those who did.If you want to see what kids can do, don't have your kids wear their uniforms and distribute everyone randomly, at first.
Players were moved as needed during the time based on what coaches saw during play. If they were put with a team and needed to move up or down they did.
Wait, the players were allowed to wear their uniforms???Everyone didn't get a separate 'play' shirt?
PF does the same thing at tryouts.
It's probably why they end up having good but not great teams. Not realizing that putting single newcomers in with a field of 75% of existing team competing for next year's spot is not a kumbaya moment, isn't smart.If your daughter doesn't go with 6-8 friends, and stay in the same group, it is not worth it. It's a game of keep away with the existing players -- even the ones that are supposed to be on her side of the scrimmage.PDA and others break it up more. The coaches will notice and say something if they see it.
Let's see if many of the non-PF players show up to the next event and tryouts. It possibly could of back fired and chased some good players away that have potential but were overlooked. Going to be interesting. That's why PDA does pay to play training clinics to help see if a kid can go through proper training and then get seen at tryouts, no free play marketing.
PF gets the players they want. Most of the players interested in PF have already contacted TM and they would be moved to the top field if they were any good.For the players that have not contacted TM, they have to play their way to the top field.It's a process, but it works.
So much penn fusion bashing. Clearly it's the place to be for those who can!
PF also has club mandated formations. Guess they feel they don't need the element of surprise or creativity.A lot of questionable decisions from the top. If Lancaster/Harrisburg gets an academy for the girls in 2017, they will loose a big advantage that keeps them afloat in spite of all the poor management -- no competition from the west. Could turn into a club for mediocre mean girls.
They have lost several that they wanted, including the famous to PDA striker. They put the original dates in conflict with ODP. Mandated formations. "Try-outs" that consist of majority of kids on existing teams and 8 v 8 no less.People are here trying to get more information to know where to put their time. If there's no conflict people will come just to get practice. But, when they have to choose it's different. If one has to contact someone beforehand, that should be advertised.When fact-based concerns are raised and countered with "no it's not" (when it actually is), it is telling.
Do your homework.It's not necessarily about the best club.It's not necessarily about the best coach.It's not necessarily about the best players.It's about the best fit for the development of your child.
@1207 totally agree, I would also add in team environment to that statement. Wouldn't want anyone to put their daughter in a situation where she becomes uncomfortable.
Completely agree. This blog FWIW is a source of "homework" and knowing where is best for development/not uncomfortable.PF addressed some things raised here, not others. Info on PDA as well. Take it for what you will.
Any other open houses/id's coming up for '03's?
I guess this blog is for 03's(U12) should 02's(U13) move to U14 now? It looks like 4000+ post to catch up on over there.
Can the great striker mom please move on. I'm at PDA and you bother me.
7:24 Soccer blog catfishing? Double catfishing. Pretending someone else is someone that they're not, as well as pretending you are someone that you are not. Get some help.
I'll see you on the sidelines at PDA and have been there for years with many children.
I'm hearing a lot parents deciding to stay where they are until more DA information becomes available so all these ID Events or jumping to ECNL teams may become irrelevant any way right before tryouts. Rumor has it more information and announcements of DA will be published April/May and that's exactly when majority of tryouts occur.
Why did soccerwire etc. say the announcement was imminent?
Because Soccer Wire is just as bad at starting rumors than this blog.
I think the the US Soccer people leaked that the announcement was imminent. But then top ECNL teams that US Soccer wanted in the DA, along with top college coaches questioned the DA and its rollout. Many are truly concerned that the DA (by not allowing high soccer - or any other sports) will create a watered-down DA. One big concern is that the top players will play DA, verbally commit to their college during 10th grade, then drop out of the DA for both 11th and 12th and play in a league that would allow high school play. Or they will still not play high school, but train more locally to maintain the High School experience. Driving to a DA 5x a week, all while taking AP classes can be very grueling and not always the best use of everyone's time. Malory Pugh spoke publicly that HS School is "really cool" and that a ban per Girls DA "would effect girls more and boys"
The big problem with the notion of banning HS soccer is that most "Top" players the DA are targeting are still realistic enough to know that a college scholarship is a higher likelihood than making the US Women's National Team. I, for one, value the prospect of a college scholarship more than the outside possibility of a USWNT roster spot for my little Suzie.If ECNL stays aligned with the college model, I for one, would stay with the organization that is geared towards getting her into college(scholarship or otherwise) than the model that gives her a shot at one of 30 Women's National Teams slots.Put simply, I assume that most parents and players are motivated more by collegiate aspirations than by USWNT aspirations. ECNL is run in partnership with the collegiate model. US Soccer attempted to ignore that powerful alliance and step over it in launching the DA. I think everyone is coming to the logical conclusion that they better include colleges and the ECNL in setting things up OR risk launching a DA that is from it's onset at odds with parents, players, college coaches and the ECNL clubs. A development academy that is launched in competition with the existing framework is doomed for failure at worst or for extremely slow acceptance at best.Discussions being help now are likely the ones they should have had before their "leaks".
IF the USSF knows how to train top soccer players and if that requires the commitment they are claiming, why would the DA be watered down? They would not want players that would do things to compromise their development like HS and other sports.
I just struggle to buy that US soccer was caught off guard by any of this. Do they not have significant competence in the organization?
Are you guys paying attention at all to US Soccer? They are largely morons. Read through all of the lawsuit vs. WNT information. They have been working with the womens national team without a contract since 2012. Now that it is an Olympic year, they are worried the women will strike. Why didn't they just negotiate another agreement? They had the past 3-years to do so.Also, do you really think that the way they rolled out the birth yr changes show their competency? They never envisioned many of the issues, such as what are Aug-Dec 8th graders supposed to do? Play 7v7?At the soccer convention US Soccer was nowhere to be found. The whole thing where the age grouping of the DA are different than the new age grouping beginning 2016 for everyone? This does not show competence. What about the mens U-? team just losing to France U-? team 0-5?This does not show competence.
11:25 - great post. I completely agree
11:25 here, US Soccer just sued the women's players union and "erroneously" revealed their personal data like email address and residential addresses in their filing. These guys are not as savvy or competent as we would like to think they are. Their communication stinks, their implementation stinks and their coordination with partners stinks! They are getting blow back and running the risk of an establishment revolt with their heavy handed changes. No high horses here about the establishment = ECNL because there's plenty of outrage to go around. I've actually got to give the ECNL credit for not openly criticizing US Soccer despite their outward stance to marginalize the ECNL. US Soccer needs to do some concensus building within the ranks
I really wish US Soccer would set up something up like "Little League World Series" has for baseball at the youth ages U12 and younger (player locality restrictions rules apply like LLWS). Than move onto a birth year cycle starting at U13 for clubs, leagues etc. It doesn't make any sense to separate the younger generation of kids wanting to play with local friends and giving them excite to play for something vs. just playing to get identified for national products. You know how much endorsements would be gained with a soccer structure equivalent to "little league world series" at the youth levels that feed US Soccer funds and draw other countries to jump in like baseball a mini world cup series.
ECNL Class of 2016: 1,344College Bound ECNL: 1,237Total Players Playing Collegiate Soccer: 1,222Division I: 967Division II, III, NAIA: 266Undecided: 111That's from the ECNL website on Feb 9th. Now you know why US Soccer MUST work with the ECNL in launching the DA. Parents that value college more than 30 USWNT roster spots may simply stay with their ECNL clubs and forgo the "dream".
yes, but these numbers would drop if the da picked up their top 350 or 25 percent or so of girls. Ecnl would be a more aggressive npl. Trust me, I don't think they will pull it off either.
Players valuing college more than pro or national team play are not the targets for the DA.
"The U.S. Soccer Federation will launch a girls’ equivalent of the Development Academy, the nationwide youth league of top clubs intended to groom future professional and national-team players."
Enough with the DA talk and college half the parents that have girls on the blog will most likely not play college anyway. 71% D1 players from ECNL is great but add in all the NPL, Non-ECNL/NPL, and HS players that % is probably less than 10%. So just enjoy as two/three years from now you'll be sitting at home on the weekends talking about your daughter's playing years.I got a good discussion instead of choosing a club which coaches tops the list for 03's? No need to say names but current team would be nice.
2:39pm. Bare in mind that with this birth year change, some clubs may change over coaches. Some clubs have announced it on their websites.
2:28, that's the point I'm making. With ECNL's success at college placement parents and players may decide that their goal isn't USWNT or pro soccer, simply college. Without cooperation the battle lines may become:DA = USWNT and Pro soccerECNL = CollegeIn that case I'm going for college or ECNL because if my Suzie is truly USWNT caliber they'll notice her anyway!You might counter that girls in DA may get into college too, but the fact is the DA's won't want girls playing HS or College and won't put infrastucture in place for those interests. Whereas, ECNL is a college based infrastructure that allows USWNT prospects to be plucked out.It may be a function of priorities. ECNL prioritizes college interests and the DA's will NOT!
Compare/contrast the costs for DA vs ECNL.ECNL will not skip a beat, as there is plenty of money to go around.
DA = ExpensiveECNL = Expensive
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