If a club has experience with a player out side of try outs, why limit their window to a few short try outs? The more they know, the more informed their decisions. A weak player could have a great try out and end up on your kid's superstar team if they just look at try outs.
That's one of the reasons the ECNL allows 30 kid rosters. Essentially they can add studs all year if one comes along
11:17. Is it fair to allow preconceived impressions of a player, that may have been misused and misplayed on the previous team, against them?A player may truly be better than what you have thought due to politics or position or whatever.With your logic the tryout process becomes irrelevant.
I think the try out as a way to identify talented soccer players has its limitations. It's duration is too short. Multiple day try outs are much better. Player could have great try out. Could have terrible try out. Could be injured. Could be sick. It is one tool to use.
If there is a particular team you are interested in, you ping the coach and ask to have him/her evaluate your daughter and/or attend a team practice well in advance of tryouts. Shop her around and get her looks before tryouts, it's just the way it works. If you wait to show up to a tryout with 50 other girls and the coaches have no idea who she is, you are rolling the dice that she has a standout performance in one or two nights. Act in the best interest of your daughter instead of whining on an internet forum about how tryouts are unfair.
I heard yesterday. Cedar Stars (NJCSA) / Holmdel is getting the U 17/18 G academy tm. which is no surpirse w the owners ties to Tab
Why wouldn't Cedar stars get the Full Academy on the girls side. They specifically said you must be able to field a team in each of the 3 age groups?
It is dumb to think Cedar Stars will get Academy. And yes they must be able to field teams in all three age groups. Remind me again of their history of producing national players?
Alot of players jumped over to Cedar Stars. They are hoping for the DA to be announced for the Fall of 17. Lets say its true. They will not go into it full steam ahead. It should be a gradual process so they do not run into any problems along the way. So I am wondering if 03 girls are goung over now , the DA does notcstart until fall 17, how long will it take for them to be seen. I assume it will go oldest u17 to youngest . Then my guess would be the 03 would not be seen by the top people until u16. I will sit back and wait this one out . Lets see how it goes. If your players is good enough you can always get into the DA. They will not be turned down. What does everyone else think? So many changes .....
LOL....Again. NJCSA is getting U17/18 DA tm in Fall 17'. USSDA is starting out with just a U17/18 to start like they did on the boys side!!!Common sense they were getting a team. Who else you think was going to get it in NJ? PDA is the main backer for ECNL so they aren't going into DA
Duh... The boys started with 2 age groups 15/16 and 17/18 dumb *** And there is no indication that the ECNL is going to say that a club can't field both ECNL and DA teams. The USSF doesn't care if they field both. PDA will have both. All kids graduating 2020 and before will be grandfathered into school soccer, But can't play DA when also playing school. Will work like the private school scholarship kids do now. Join the team after the school season if they choose. Many will choose DA and development over school ball.
828 PDA will go GDA as they are a top organization in the country and will follow what USSF wants. They have a boys DA so they will most likely go GDA and petition to go ECNL. I betting there will be girls that will play both leagues as GDA also carry large rosters for development. ECNL will work it out with DA to most likely have full time academy players but will also have premier players in ECNL that want to play HS or other sports also train with DA.
How many players will be on a roster?As a combined age group, players are encouraged to play up and clubs will have groups of players that they will move up and move freely among age groups within their Academy program. The projected pool would equate to approximately 23 players per age group for a total of 69 full-time players amongst the three age groups (U-14/15, U-16/17, and U-18/19).
Also many forger and you research Boys DA, the off year players usually stay as Pre-Academy status until the following year and move into the academy team. Most of the DA teams are usually made up of the older birth year of that season.
There are usually 3-5 off years who are primary rostered (not developmental player) and kind of playing up on most DA teams
For Cedar Stars to get the girls DA, they would likey have to merge with another club. Stallions have been mentioned, not sure if that is realistic.
How come no NJ State Cup talk its a big weekend for it?
No way the Cup fields will be ready by morning. Storm has been brewing off the coast. Probably double headers on Sunday.
Take a look at the DA application. They are starting off Full Academy with 3 age groups. Anybody who was on the webinar knows that. They specifically stated you must field all 3 age groups. Application asks for Coaching, past National Players and fields. Which clubs have all three? PDA, World Class and Stallions? Anybody else?
12:28am. Stallions have National Team Players? Never heard that. PDA won't be going to DA. The cost is too high for them to run it alongside their boys DA. Imagine the cost for every player who is not playing for a DA team in that Club? They'd start adding E teams to fund it, they already have D teams with them branching out to the Shore and the South.I expect Copa, NJCSA and maybe the NJ Rush/SJ Elite combination to do it.
I don't think the girls DA is going to be free. At least, not right away. I don't think the boys side is free except for MLS academies who can afford to fund them.
Did state cup get cancelled today?
NJ Cup semifinal results:1-NJ Crush Flames NPL 0. NJ Rush Blue 42--TSF Academy 0. NJ Rush Grey 2NJ Rush Blue vs. NJ Rush Grey in the finals.
Stallions have their own fields/complex?
Can't imagine a more drastic change to a team after the birth year change than PF 02. It'll be interesting to see how they are. Definitely can't use last years results what so ever!
Tryouts are completed... thank goodness. Best of Luck to all the kids.
Two girls left Mfa nynpl v nj stallions nynpl game with concussions today. One by ambulance. Take a deep breath kiss your daughter and remember this is just a game. nj stallions gave the Mfa team roses obviously intended for their mothers after the ambulance left. Very sweet. Happy Mother's Day.
NJ Rush state champs once again!
Who won Blue or Gray?
NJ Rush Blue 2-0.
Region 1 Champions LeagueSemi-finals2 - South Shore0 - North United2 - HMMS1 - SDFCFinal1 - South Shore (kicks from the mark)0 - HMMS
Why is this forum so silent now! Did all the 02's finally move over to the crazy U14 blog already. Anyway as tryouts are over which 03 teams look promising next year?
The crazies have left the building .
Not all MLS DA programs are free. There is about a zero chance of GDA being free. Orlando ECNL helps with travel. Expect a roster of 24-28 girls. All paying. Six subs with no re entry. Kids will love that!The GDA will be the best thing that has ever happened to other girls sports.
Nike said they will provide free soccer balls to the program. Thanks so much Nike! That seems like an appropriate sponsorship in exchange for the bazillions we all spend on kiddie cleats. NOT!
PA State Cup7 - HMMS0 - LVU
So what happened to pf against bucks today? Not expecting to see that result
Seems to be a pattern with PF teams. They start off well, but fade as the year goes on. U13, U15, U16 teams all have had a difficult spring. No improvement in the teams and have under-achieved. Good rosters, but nothing in the way of coaching to making players better. Certainly they are still getting the good players, but improvement and growth in those players seems to be non existent. It’s not just one year. Look at the pattern year after year in past ECNL results.Those that don’t know any better think the training is good, but when you take a deeper look at the coaches of those teams you start to see they have little to no high level backgrounds. The training is average at best. Ordinary travel soccer coaches. The 2016-17 PF coaching staff is even more average than last year. AR was brought in this year not because she can coach, but because she will and has poached players from her current club. The same was the case last year with the hopes that SS would bring players from FCUSA to fill voids in the rosters of the older teams. Just as PF has shown a recent lack of commitment towards players, we will all see how committed they are to the coaching staff after recruiting well runs dry and results stay poor.
9:57 Spot on !
I would agree as well with that unfortunately. Disappointed is how I feel as we end the year.
Can someone explain to me how the Region I Camp works? I am looking for some insight as to how this works. If you play up, does that mean you have to continue to play up in camp as well? Or do you have the opportunity to play your birth year again next go around if you weren't successful in being selected for a team this time? Its all confusing to me as we are new to this situation. Any advice appreciated.
715 Don't waste your money!
My daughter said she loved the camp, had a great time,and wants to go back.
658 Bucks won because there was no disruption of a parent they probably would of won game in the fall as well.
7:15 - My experience is that if a player is playing up she has the option of attending the assigned year camp or the age appropriate camp. Of course, you should check with your state program for guidance. And yes, this would give two chances at selection for a particular age group. However, if attending camp at an age group up, she may not be eligible for the region pool at the appropriate age.
According to u14 National Training Camp. Kylie Daigle originally from SJEB, now Penn Fusion is positioned as Defender ? She has been midfield as a soccer player. I guess good for her for going to training camp.
1:33 not cool mentioning a player by name!Administrator - please delete the above post
1:36 What is wrong with the comment? It is a compliment, it seems to me. Nothing derogatory there. Settle down.
IF you read any soccer forums you will know it turns negative 100 percent of the time. It should never be done. Not sure why the moderator is allowing it.
1:33 is most likely her Daddy . He likes to stroke his ego on here and all social media outlets . His daughter is here today but will most likely be gone tomorrow . Enjoy the ride Daddy while it lasts .
Her name is on the National Training Center Roster, BY NAME. It must be her daddy, He would be the only one who has a problem with this. Why is being known as a defender a slap in the face ???
Excuse me can you 02 parents please move onto the next blog there are many more 02/01 in the NT pool over there. This blog is dedicated for the 03's now.
2:38 It hasn't changed yet. So go back down to your blog.
It likely is a silly parent thinking it is somehow a good idea to have their player discussed on an anonymous forum. I guess it is a good idea if you like reading negative things about your kid.
Her Daddy is an arrogant ass who's not even liked by his own team parents . I feel bad for his daughter . His behavior seems to be rubbing off on her .
This is an all time low for people to come down on parents (dad or mom) many parents sacrifice endless hours for their daughter only to come one hear make rude remarks. Grow Up! & 2:38 is correct go to the U14 blog if you are these types of parents there are plenty of people on there that talk about parents. Keep this blog clean and respectful.
Since PF Daddy is allowed to talk about his kid we should give mention to the truly talented players out there .Ione Fetsko match fit playing year upBryana Pizarro east meadow rostered up at u15Briana Sayoc east meadow playing a year up on u14 national team Hannah Blodget PDA Those are the players to watch !!!!!!
Matchfit has a few players to watch at u14 as 2002's. They have sent a few to NT training in CA as well. this board was crickets just a week ago not it's hot topic.
Definitely wrong name of girl playing a year up from east meadow. I will not post correct name out of respect for privacy but it is easy to look up.
Agree! Match Fit and East Meadow have a lot of talent . Will be fun to follow their journey .
Yes Agree East Meadow team at U14 is heavy on the 02 side and currently sits at #6 rank in the ECNL league heading into San Diego for playoffs. There goalie was called over as well. If you paid attention daddy's the ECNL website provides you players names and player resume go ahead and look at East Meadow's team.
I would be shocked if there is a better 03 girl than the 03 east meadow player. I have only seen her play smaller sided. She is the most skilled player i have watched in the full 02/03 age group.
Thanks for the info East Meadow Dad!
5:25 must be the jealous PF Daddy !
Real Classy! I hope your clubs don't act in the same manner.
@5:25If you have time and are near any of the Delco Cup fields check out #10 on South Shore U12. Great skills
I thought the dads from PF and East meadow girls mentioned above were friends? They must be competing for something
I wonder where the new five PDA players are from? Anyone know??
"Ione Fetsko match fit playing year upBryana Pizarro east meadow rostered up at u15Briana Sayoc east meadow playing a year up on u14 national team Hannah Blodget PDA Those are the players to watch !!!!!!"Blodget is on PDA U12 Lyon. That team has run roughshod over damn good teams in EDP U13 Girls 1st Division Central.
Penn Fusion is playing the player in question in the midfield. Often up a year also as they do with most of their nats. She is listed as a defender for the u14 GNT because that is the position the USSF coach (April Kater)_ sees her fitting in right now. Penn Fusion is not playing her as a defender. She is an outstanding player who does not rely on early puberty, but instead skills to carry her through. She has a very high ceiling. Not her parent. Have known the family for some time though.
Im calling bs on it not being a parent. But to be fair the ussf uses one formation with three interior mids so wing players need to move forward or backwards depending on the skill set. My kid had to play out of position at a recent camp.
It's clear what's going on here with the PF dad and his agenda- he needs to chill out. No amount of video editing, smear campaigns on perceived competition for his kid or blog posting about her will help her. She will succeed or not all on her own. Relax. I doubt EM03 dad reads this crap let alone posts but someone should let him know about his frenemy.
By U17 none of these kids are in NT pool
you'll keep hating though
I would suggest we try to keep the names of kids off the blog. Especially children of this age. Not fair to them and makes you look like a freak IMO. Every single person here is passionate about youth soccer and a little nuts just for being here, but that IMO crosses a line.
Like many have said there are many other players at PDA, MF, East Meadow Etc. that were called up and some even on the roster on the U16 NT. People forget as a 2002 your lobbying for a U16 roster spot for USSF as it is an even year. 2003 will move into the U15 roster come next year. Sometimes it's a timing thing on year to be recognizedFunny all the talk of PF team but not many of other players called it could be a few people just obsessed.
This sport needs good underdog story to emerge. We need a 5000 -1 shot to get a chance the top. US soccer should find this story just for the inspiration factor.Not taking anything away form any of these players but it is getting depressing that no kids out of the country cub every get a chance. This sport need a Leicester fox story to inspire all the players cut out of the insider club.
1022 yes agree there is no rags to riches story like football or basketball in the U.S. have. Maybe with the DA coming it will happen. All these high price pay to play clubs that just wants to cash in for profit is getting out of hand.
A majority of the rosters are already set, so not sure what a smear campaign would do at this point.To back up 9:57's claims on May 15th, here are PF W/L records for their '02 teams.Pre-ECNL2015 games : 7W-2L-2D2016 games : 4-3-2 (one game left against FC Stars)NPL2015 : 5-72016 : 0-7-2
Look, the DA has a FAQ about costs where they talk about free soccer balls and Powerade drink for the players. Don't think the DA is going to expand the player pool very much with that. Soccer balls and sports drinks are not the problem. The scholarship may reach some, but can be a humiliation and I think income must be very low to qualify.
Now that DA applications are open does anyone know which clubs in the area will be submitting or has submitted applications? I think applications close in a few months.
@10:50 obviously they are winning less because their nat isn't playing with them.
1050 and 1138 does it really matter the team will be re-vamped for next year as many others will also be so why all talk about PF now? Many teams are packing up the season already to get prepared for next. Only those that have advance in NPL playoffs and Region 1 championships are still playing for a meaning. Even upcoming tournaments will be meaningless as well.
GDA will not be free. Cost stays high.GDA will have rosters of 24-28 players.Substitutions are at 6 a game with no re-entry.Although there will be claims of development, clubs that get GDA in the tri-state area will all play to win, and because of that, kids will sit and sit and sit.College recruitment has always been the driving force behind ECNL. The GDA will cause exposure to college coaches to become greatly reduced. Not for top players, but for all the rest.The GDA will be structured for the small amount of top players, but without the other players to play with or against, the GDA will become watered down. This is not to mention having to make a choice between HS soccer or GDA.GDA will be the biggest boost to girls lax and basketball.
IF the cost were not so prohibitive, it could be a very different sort of program. But that does not look to be in the cards.
This PF Dad is one of the most annoying and arrogant posters I've seen on here in awhile . Stop talking about your kid . Many players mentioned above are as good and even much better . Stop trying to relive your youth thru her and get a life . No wonder you are not well liked at your club .
everyone has been duped:"658 Bucks won because there was no disruption of a parent they probably would of won game in the fall as well."one hour after this post ^^^^ the guy make a post referring to the PF national team player by name. It was an obvious deflection away from himself and everyone has fallen for it. Great move on his part don't you think?
Is it difficult to figure out who would post a player's name? Would anyone but a parent ever do that?
Why would a parent who's child has been systematically attacked on this board randomly post her name months after the camp? Especially knowing she's been systematically attacked in the past? The answer is he didn't. An ex FC Bucks parent who was about to be attacked threw red meat out to this board of fools to deflect attention away from himself. It was a calculated maneuver on his part that you fools have taken hook line and sinker. Also hearing he has moved over to Continental and joined the stalker that was on a rant about the National team player a few months ago - when the original NT press release came out. Haters gonna hate and now they've joined forces at Continental.
makes perfect sense to me - wow, people are evil!!!57 minutes after this was posted:"658 Bucks won because there was no disruption of a parent they probably would of won game in the fall as well."This gets posted completely out of the blue:"According to u14 National Training Camp. Kylie Daigle originally from SJEB, now Penn Fusion is positioned as Defender ? She has been midfield as a soccer player. I guess good for her for going to training camp."
It all started because of this posting -- May 15, 2016 at 6:58 PM "So what happened to pf against bucks today? Not expecting to see that result"
Correct, then somebody pointed out they would have won the game in the fall to if it weren't for that dad. Then he threw the national team player under the bus to deflect the conversation away from him
So much hatred in PA soccer, in other news does anyone know how EDP will run the U15 division next year. Will there be a full Fall league or Short Fall league rolled into the Spring?
Heard edp will run full fall season. Not sure how many teams willl play.
Impossible EDP will run a full fall 75%(Jan-Sep) of girls in HS. If they do it will be a waste as 8th graders could better off doing training days.
What are Phila area clubs saying to all about Fall season for 8th graders? Bucks/PDA/Rush/PF... etc. ? Training? Small leagues? Thanks
"Be Humble and Kind" - Tim McGraw
Our team will only have 3-4 8th graders including my daughter for next year's team at U15. The club mentioned training with the younger group and entering multiple tournaments beginning and towards the end of the fall in the NY/North Jersey area. That's what was given to us as the first plan.
Keep it positive.. doesn't do much good to do anything else. Lots of great kids in the area to watch play the beautiful game :)
SDFC Rage #1 in NJ and #1 in Region 1 (if you believe GS).
New Teams age group breakdown question . More u13 or u14's on the 2002 (new u15) Squads out there. Ours is about 70% from u14 group.
I know that it's water under the bridge but the fact that we will now have U15 8th graders should have been reason enough for stopping the implementation of the new age grouping. At least in the old system a U14 9th grader could have chosen to forgo her freshman season and stay with her club. Now the 8th grade U15 has to wait until November to play games? Stupid decision that makes no sense.
@1209 Total Agree! EDP has chosen to have a league for U15's(2002) for Fall. Link - http://www.edpsoccer.com/page/show/2470525-edp-league-faq-16-17
SDFC haven't done any more tournaments than any other top team so I don't get how they are "points whores". They are a good team but I think #1 in NJ and region 1 is not correct.
Has to wait until November to play games is a crisis? No its not. There will be about the same number of total games played over the course of the season. Have your daughter train with u14 boys. Start a speed and agility program. Play on the middle school team if she wants to and it is available. She will probably be ahead of the kids who played high school if she concentrates on high level training. My kid was a July kid that we held back. She was a u15 eighth grader-they did exist before this change- albeit in lower numbers so there was only me to help her to continue her development. She trained with the club u14 team - both boys and girls and was ahead by October when the u15 started training. The ECNL had trapped 8th grader rules then and we thought about switching clubs, but didn't seem worth it for a few months and we were right.
BYC/Club/School is even more complicated in some parts of PA where high school ball is played in the fall and middle school ball is played in the spring. Therefore, a 2002 team will have its 9th graders playing high school ball in the fall and its 8th graders playing middle school ball in the spring, if they chose to do so.
What about the southern states that play HS in the spring like Delaware and Maryland.
Dont blame SDFC for being #1, blame gotsoccer for awarding disproportionate amount of points to NJ teams (EDP league is worth more points because they have a high concentration of teams with high points - very self-fulfilling).Use http://youthsoccerrankings.us/ for something that is 50% more accurate.Gotsoccer predictive power = 44.8YouthSoccerRankings predictive power = 64.1SDFC is very good, #4 in NJ and #9 in Region 1. There are 35 teams within 1 point YSR ranking of SDFC - the competition is great too.
9:31, you should be ashamed of yourself for calling a set of 12 year old girls a bunch of whores. what is wrong with you? are you that sick in the head or lack so little self-control of that gross part of your personality that you can not but make such an offensive comment?SDFC is one of the best teams in the area, they work hard, train hard, and do well. They are not to blame for the insanity of gotsoccer points. They go to tournaments, play their leagues and get results. Dont be so jealous. Many teams out there do more and achieve less. Many clubs are cheap and load up on your monies and don't give you nearly as much. Either way you slice it, calling 12 year old girls a bunch of whores is pretty low even for this crowd.
Not the same guy but think he means the club not the kids. All these british coaches game the system.
Coach. No one used that term in reference to the kids. Go back to exploiting the kids for their parents monies.
"All these British coaches" - nice bit of racism for the forum about youth soccer
British is a race now? Better call the anti-British defamation people.
Racism, Fascism, or just straight up prejudice whatever you won't to call it, 4:28 was basically putting down someone based on their nationality and where they were born. Not something that should be on a youth soccer forum.Administrator please delete 4:28 post.
Settle down! Generalization at the most! Racism? Fascism? Prejudice? OMG! Learn the meaning of the words before using them.
Ok call it nationalism, call to whatever you want. It has no place on here.
Anonymous said..."All these British coaches" - nice bit of racism for the forum about youth soccer That is very likely the dumbest thing ever said on this blog. When you consider how many stupid things have been said, we may truly be in the presence of "greatness". Racism!!! Oh my God. MLK must be rolling over in his grave.
3:42. You sir are the only one attaching that word with the kids. You should be ashamed.
What would you call a derogatory comment based on where someone was born?
Im just confused. He said British coaches game the system. Where is the hatred nationalistic slur in that. Its actually a compliment. What if I said democrats game the system. I dont even think its a negative comment. They do what they need to do .....
Carli Lloyd appearance in Chatham in June? Where's Chatham?!
Around the Region in USYS State Cup play:Delaware - Kirkwood wins the qualifying round with DE Rush second. Kirkwood v. DE Rush in the final on 6/5.Maryland - Bethesda Fury v. Pipeline Black in final. Game schedule pending.Virginia - Semi-finals and finals rained out. Rescheduled to 6/4 and 6/5. Semi-finals: DC Stoddard v. Loudon Red; SYA Cardinals Red v. Beach FC.
Heard FC Maximus dropped out of the Delco Cup.
A question for the Rush parents, and there zero agenda here other than to learn about Rush. Is it a big corporation or something like that? I see NJ, NY, CT, I see a colorado Rush. Is this a corporate thing or are these franchises? Very unique for the soccer industry.
Not a Rush parent, but an intrigued follower of the Rush model. Simply put, Rush is more of an management organization, than a franchise. When the operation of a soccer club becomes too much for local volunteers and parents to handle, the Rush organization can step in and provide professional oversight. As the Rush organization states, it is based in Littleton, Colorado, as a 501 (c) (3) non-profit organization established to provide a personal growth experience through the game of soccer and to promote life-long participation in the sport. Formed in 1997 through a merger of two local clubs, Club Columbine (est. 1974) and Lakewood United Soccer Club (est. 1982), Rush now services over 32,000 nationally and another 6,000 internationally on an annual basis. Delaware Rush was formally the Hockessin Soccer Club, and although it now operates through the Rush organization, it retains a local board of directors.
More USYS State Cup semi-finals and finals, all scheduled for weekend of 6/4-5:MA:South Shore Select v. Vipers FCAbbey Villa v. FCUSA ImpactPAW:North United v. PA CrewNorthern Steel v. Beadling EliteNYE:Staten Island United v. Levittown WildcatsNote: If South Shore and North United win their respective cups, then SDFC will receive a wildcard bid to the Region 1 Championships as a semi-finalist in the Region 1 Champions League. SDFC may also receive the wildcard even if North United, the other Champions League semi-finalist, does not advance because it has a better goal differential than North United in the Champions League semi-finals. SDFC was supposed to play North United for third place in the Champions League, but that game was canceled because of poor field conditions. If South Shore does not advance (unlikely, but possible), then South Shore takes the Champions League wildcard as the League champion.Despite BYC, these U13 games and the U13 Region 1 Cup games have meaning because they determine National League qualifiers at the U15 level for the 2016-2017 season. South Shore Select (MA), HMMS Impact (PAE), CFJ South Premier (IL), CUP Gold (OHS), Tennessee SC (TN), and Solar Chelsea (TXN) are current U13 teams that have already qualified for the 2016-2017 U15 National League through region league play.
Here is how YSRs predicts the outcome of DELCO Players Cup F1:Bracket A (State)(YSR Rating)(record within bracket this season)SOUTH SHORE SELECT (MA) (33.76) (W-HMMS 1-0 on kicks)HMMS IMPACT (PAE) (33.37) (L-South Shore 0-1, D-Rush Grey 1-1, L- SUSA 0-1, D–Cherry Hill 1-1)SUSA FC LONG ISLAND (NYE) (33.17) (W–HMMS 1-0)NEW JERSEY RUSH GREY (NJ) (32.83) (W–Cherry Hill 2-0, D–HMMS 1-1)CHERRY HILL DESTROYERS (NJ) (32.38) (L–Rush Grey 0-2, D–HMMS 1-1)Bracket BSDFC RAGE (NJ) (33.57) (W-Clarkstown 2-1, W-Clarkstown 3-2)NORTH UNITED (PAW) (33.38)CLARKSTOWN (NYE) (32.61)Bracket C (no record between these teams this season)WAZA FC EAST (MI) (34.83)NEW JERSEY RUSH BLUE (NJ) (34.15)ALBERTSON (NYE) (33.86)There is an odd play-off system. The #1 and #2 teams from Brackets B and C play each other in quarter-final and semi-final rounds for the opportunity to play the #1 team from Bracket A in the final.Quarter-final (no record between opponents this season)NEW JERSEY RUSH BLUE (NJ) (34.15) (C#2 over B#1)SDFC RAGE (NJ) (33.57)WAZA FC EAST (MI) (34.83) (C#1 over B#2)NORTH UNITED (PAW) (33.38)Semi-final (no record between opponents this season)WAZA FC EAST (MI) (34.83)NEW JERSEY RUSH BLUE (NJ) (34.15)Final (no record between opponents this season)WAZA FC EAST (MI) (34.83) - CHAMPIONSOUTH SHORE SELECT (MA) (33.76)
Yes, Rush is a franchise. As with any franchise, the goal is revenue generation, often at the expense of a quality product.
Arsenal Maximus coach is a weiner. So scared about losing points to withdraw from a tournment due to a few kids being injured I guess those are the only good players on the team. Hey Maximus did you every hear of guest players. Such a town team mentality..
3:22pm. Not sure if thats true but it wouldn't surprise me. Ever seen the guy coach on game day in tight games? Barely makes subs, all about winning and then goes crazy if they score.
I thought Rush bought out the Rage club and the owners at the time stepped aside? so was that a new owner that took out a franchise and also then bought out Rage? Where is the value in the franchise, that is what exactly does a Rush franchisee get that they couldn't figure out on their own?
Nobody bought out rage. Some rage teams left and joined rush. Wasn't enough left at rage to sustain the club.
Rage agreed to merge with Rush - http://www.njrush.com/index.php/9-local-sponsors/2-uncategorised/9-news-3
Here are Frequently Asked Questions from when Hockessin joined Rush:Are we controlled and operated by the Rush? No, this is a partnership. The (club) will still operate independently including filing of it’s own taxes, governance by it’s own Board of Directors, hiring of it’s own employees, etc. This venture is a cooperative effort with the purpose to serve to make each organization better. The partnership allows for the clubs to interact and share ideas. Will joining the Rush increase the club costs? Fees are established by your own club. Is there a fee for joining the Rush? Yes, there is a $10,000.00 franchise fee which can be paid through an annual payment plan mutually agreed upon. Once the club is an official partner, there is an annual $4.00 per member fee. Even though the benefits you receive from becoming a member are great, the savings through corporate negotiations and economy of scale outweigh the membership fee considerably. Will there be a change in club philosophy? The club philosophy will stay the same and the focus will remain on individual player development. Our philosophy in the past is very similar to the Rush development philosophy. It provides us with the opportunity to further the communication and education of that philosophy through organizational credos and operating standards. How will this impact the colors of the club? The club colors will be blue and white. Uniforms will be black and grey (boys) and blue and grey (girls) Do we keep the same club model or will it change to the model of the Colorado Rush? Clubs may adopt as many of the programs and services as they wish. Clubs are not mandated to do anything. Your current programs you have in place can remain and new ones can be added. Will our recreation program change? No, this will only serve to make our recreational program stronger. Through the exchange of intellectual property, we will enable ourselves to develop and adopt programs and ideas to better serve this branch of the club. Is there expected growth to the club by joining the Rush? The potential is always there, and should be anticipated. Nearly all of our previous partners have experienced an increase in membership enrollment. Many have even partnered or absorbed other clubs in and around there own community through the process. How will this benefit the individual player? The possibilities are almost limitless for the individual player. With options, this partnership can afford the players such as select teams and guest playing from all the Rush partners. Information concerning player development issues can be shared and coaches and players alike will now have a resource to share ideas to further their development. Will the tryout process be the same as it was before? The club will continue it’s normal tryout format. Any changes will be decided by the clubs management team. Our goal long term is to eliminate tryouts for player already enrolled in the club. What, if any, obligations does the club have to comply with? Two things: 1) We expect our partners to transition into Nike through Eurosport. Teams transition at their own accord and under the supervision of their own club; and, 2) The Rush also expect effort. Effort to becoming the best soccer club they can be. The Rush expect the club to uphold the Rush brand in a positive image.
So team pulling out of delco brings up some good points. Pun intended. I am starting to wonder what the purpose is of these tournaments at this age. Yes showcases make sense. But what is the purpose of them at u13. Bragging rights and points seem to me to be the reason you do these things. Does it test the best soccer team? Probably not. That can be done better in a singular game. Does it test fitness. Yes. 4 games in two days is a lot about fitness and health. Depth yes. I think the teams with 19 healthy fit players have a big advantage in these things. Its certainly a great venue to gain points. But are these events helpful in the development of our youth soccer talent. Im just not sure. I would love to hear counter arguments.
10:52- US Soccer training centers do send coaches to these types of tournments. Whever or not they actually look at this specific age group is unknown but if they do it will be in the Champions bracket.I agree that alot of the tournaments are just about getting points and trying to be on the leader board as the top team. But do disagree on the development. Playing the actual games is very helpful in using your tactical skills. It helps to home skills in identifying others weaknesses and strengths Unfortunately as with most of the tournments you keep playing some of the same teams over and over so that seems pointless. Why travel all the way to another state to play teams that are within your local driving area with no hotel fees is still a bill annoying. If a team drops out of a tournment due to injuries then in my opinion that team is all about winning and points. Many teams have to get guest players to attend these tournments to fill in for some missing players.
How do you lose points by losing at a tournament? Is there some ante up thing going on with points. I find points incredibly confusing beyond the stupidity of them. Is there a document the tournaments offer which lays out the points on offer or what you would put at risk by playing and losing? I tried to read some of the gotsoccer help files and it hurt my brain.
The euro trainers that I respect do not hold in high regard the American tournament formats. 4 or 5 games in 2 or 3 days is just wrong for the game and the kids. Injuries, exhausted play. It's great in justifying 1200 buck tournaments and profits. It might be about points. It could be a good time to integrate new players joining for next year. Abroad they will do a 3 day tournament with one game per day. In the older brackets, Delco is 1 game per day which is the right way to do it. Why is it at the older age brackets they get it right but at the younger ages, they miss the market miserably? If the director told you that you only could play 1 game per day, would your teams go register for different events? They feel they have to offer more, and in the end, its a disservice to the sport and the kids.
Tournaments are massive cash register machines. The Clubs do it for the love of the game but absolutely want to fill their pockets.
Tournament should be used for the purpose of getting ALL players lots of playing time. Not narrowing it down to the top 13. Typically rostering 18 players allows teams to withstand a few injuries and field a team. This is supposed to be about development and it is important for players to be exposed to other positions they may not play during the season to become more well rounded players. that is the best use of tournament time. Some teams just focus on winning and won't risk reputation in lieu of doing the right thing by the players that have committed to them. Guest players work well, but some are rogue teams without club depth and bringing in other players. And there is always the problem of players not wanting to play once they have been cut. That is their loss but understood.
There is no problem with the current tournament format. The problem is playing in too many tournaments or not taking a rest week after. Playing multiple games in a short period of team provides an opportunity to re-enforce what's been taught and learned in training.
Just looked at the scheduling for FC Delco. It looks like a team dropped out of the Champsionship Division. Bracket A Winner HMMS Impact. Bracket B Clarkstown Bracket C Waza FC.
@8:29 - Look at the data that was posted above on the DELCO Champ Div. I agree with your Waza pick, but must respectfully disagree with your other picks. Unless you are gambling on a "it's their time" philosophy, HMMS is 0-2-2 against its bracket this season and SDFC is 2-0 against Clarkstown this season. HMMS might win its bracket, but South Shore has the upper hand. There is no way that Clarkstown advances. SDFC has been finishing the season strong.
@930 Thanks sdfc parent or maybe coach!
North United most skilled team in that division. Waza will play sdfc and rush blue will play north united in qtr. waza rush blue semi. Waza South shore final. Clarkstown Susa go winless.
@11:32 - Not a SDFC parent or coach, just calling it like I see it. Since March, SDFC is 16-3-1 with a 5-1 win over SUSA, 3-1 win over Clarkstown, and 4-1 win over Cherry Hill. The three losses are one goal losses to HMMS, Arsenal, and Wilmington Hammerheads. The draw was 0-0 against Rush Grey. Not too shabby.
Not too shabby? Name a strong team that sdfc beat this season?
They are really goid at beating the piss out of bad teams. Which is one of the flaws with the ysr ranking model. It over values excess goals.
In 2 days by 5pm on Saturday you'll have your answer. If its an SDFC parent defending your team, go enjoy your success and your top ranking the nation. I think you were in the Semi-finals of the Region 1 Championships. Stop listening to the peanuts in the gallery. The haters on here gonna hate.
SDFC is not the top rank anymore!
Sdfc is a decent team that does not demonstrate much individual skill outside of a couple of girls. Do not think they were homegrown.
Yup! You can't name one.
I think @8:29 on May 26 answers the question about which top team SDFC has beaten, and that is Clarkstown. SDFC and Clarkstown are both GS Diamond level teams with SDFC #2 and Clarkstown #4 in the Region
Using the most recent GS rankings, DELCO should end up like this:Bracket ANEW JERSEY RUSH GREY (NJ) (#6 in Region)SUSA FC LONG ISLAND (NYE) (#9 in Region)SOUTH SHORE SELECT (MA) (#11 in Region)HMMS IMPACT (PAE) (#14 in Region)Bracket BSDFC RAGE (NJ) (#2 in Region)CLARKSTOWN (NYE) (#4 in Region)NORTH UNITED (PAW) (#24 in Region)Bracket CNEW JERSEY RUSH BLUE (NJ) (#1 in Region, #1 in Nation)ALBERTSON (NYE) (#12 in Region)WAZA FC EAST (MI) (#15 in Region 2, #155 in Nation)Quarter-final (B#1 v. C#2) and (C#1 v. B#2)SDFC RAGE (NJ) (#2 in Region)ALBERTSON (NYE) (#12 in Region)NEW JERSEY RUSH BLUE (NJ) (#1 in Region)CLARKSTOWN (NYE) (#4 in Region)Semi-final NEW JERSEY RUSH BLUE (NJ) (#1 in Region)SDFC RAGE (NJ) (#2 in Region) Final (Semi-Final #1 v. A#1)NEW JERSEY RUSH BLUE (NJ) (#1 in Region) - ChampionNEW JERSEY RUSH GREY (NJ) (#6 in Region)According to GS: Rush Blue, SDFC, and Clarkstown are the three strongest teams; and HMMS, North United, and Waza are the three weakest teams in the division.
@452 you are correct, no individual talent there. US national training centers want individuals not teams.
Got soccer worthless as a predictor Heres my prediction based on what i have seen but have not seen every team and ysr. A: 1. South Shore2. Hmms3. Rush Grey4. Susa5. Cherry HillB:1. North United2. Sdfc3. ClarkstownC: group of death1. Waza2. Rush Blue3. AlbertsonQtr A: north united v rush blueQtr B: waza v sdfcSemi. Rush blue v wazaFinal: south Shore v waza. Waza wins. While i am hopeful rush blue will beat waza to give nj soccer validation Waza is a real deal team. I think hmms and south shore are close to evensdfc could surprise and win that division if north united is not sharp
Cherry Hill, at #21 in the Region, was left out of the GS ranking analysis of DELCO. Cherry Hill should have been included in Bracket A. However, this oversight does not affect the outcome of the analysis, but does affect the list of the three weakest teams. Considering Cherry Hill, the three weakest teams would be Cherry Hill, North United, and Waza according to GS.
@9:16 - I'll take the team player over the little MeMe any day.
I would put the delco teams in the following tiers1. WazaRush Blue2. South ShoreHmms3. AlbertsonNorth United4.Rush grey sdfc5. Cherry hillSusaClarkstown
9:34 Waza is the best team in the tournament. Keep smoking the gotsoccer rankings. Waza will clean up every team with the possible exception of rush blue.
Hard to predict DELCO - a lot may depend on who shows up: end of a long season injuries, players starting to slip away to new teams, guest players, etc. Although, you would think that teams moving on to the Region 1 tournament would be trying to stay together and maintain the style of play that got them there.
Waza team playing is a product of a pool system they will pull from the 5 different teams from the age group. There model is to have multiple teams and tourney's where they will travel a far distance for they pull together best players. They don't chase the GS points like many club teams in our NY/NJ/PA area do. That group of death will be the most interesting games and whom ever comes out of that group will end up in the finals.
It is strange that the NJ Crush NPL squad was not placed in the top flight. They are better than a couple of the teams in the top flight. How do they justify this?
@9:47 you can be a team player and still have skills.
Waza is a great team,but they always use guest players from all over for tournaments.
Last i checked, soccer is a team sport, team before individual, we before I. That maybe is the problem with a lot of teams and clubs, and why the kids are so miserable and parents intolerable. Most kids aren't getting into bed at night longing to be part of Jill Ellis's national team, or even thinking about College soccer,let alone know what college, college soccer let alone high school soccer is about. They just simply want to have fun, get as good as possible, work hard and be there for their teammates.
You dont pay 3k to develop your team you pay 3k to develop your kid.
This is U13? At what age are you proposing they begin to learn how to work with the strenghts and weaknesses on their teams and learn how to exploit the strengths and weaknesses of their opponents? If I am paying 3K a year, it better include this instruction and the team better be ready to learn and execute some more sophisticated strategies.
DELCO -Group A - HMMS on top after day one, but it is still anyone's bracket. Good competition. All games decided by one goal or less.Group B - North United dominating. Wins the group to play Rush Blue, which may be the game of the day tomorrow. SDFC out of it.Group of Death (aka C) - Waza gets by Rush Blue and pounds Albertson. Albertson out of it and will play SDFC in a consolation game. SDFC haters called it right. Waza meets Clarkstown from Group B next. Expect Waza to meet the winner of North United v. Rush Blue in the semi-final.
Seems like rush blue v north united gonna be a better game than anticipated. Still give rush half goal advantage. But would have given 1.5 previously.
DELCO Day Two - Group A (aka the true group of death) – Again all games very competitive and decided by one goal or less. South Shore fights to a draw against both SUSA (0-0) and HMMS (1-1) and goes home. SUSA also plays to a 2-2 draw against Cherry Hill. Rush Grey takes down HMMS 2-1 and then defeats Cherry Hill 4-3 to advance to the final.Quarter-Finals A – The match of the day does not disappoint. Rush Blue and North United play through two overtimes with score knotted at one goal apiece. Rush Blue wins on kicks from the mark.Quarter-Finals B – Waza easily handles Clarkstown 3-0.Semi-Final – It’s almost deja vu all over again for Rush Blue as it takes Waza to kicks from the mark, but in this case it is Waza that is victorious on the kicks.Final on Monday morning – Waza v. Rush Grey.
And Waza prevails 2-1 over Rush Grey. Gotta give a shout out to Grey for defying the posters and taking it all the to the final half.
Rush gonna have a monster 02 team if the combine best 02s from u13 and u14
Rush Blue combined with SJEB at 99-02 age groups - New Club . Rush Grey staying separate and about an hour North. All quite good players.
Here's another view on DELCO. Within group play, Group A had an average goal differential of 0.7 with no match being decided by more than one goal. A very balanced group. Rush Grey advanced out of this group with the same W-D-L record and same goal differential as HMMS, but having more total goals than HMMS. Groups B and C, the two smaller groups, had a combined average goal differential of 2.5 through their semi-final game. There were several blowout games in these two groups, with Albertson Pre-ECNL, Clarkstown, and SDFC taking some beatings from North United and Waza Waza advanced out of this inter-group play on kicks after playing to a draw against Rush Blue in the semi-final. Interestingly, Rush Blue ended play as a semi-finalist with a -1 goal differential. Rush Blue, HMMS, South Shore, North United, and SDFC should all get another chance at each other in the U13 Region I Championship, assuming North United wins PAW next weekend.
9.45 Delco did a good job bracketing F1 and it was great weekend of soccer to watch in my opinion. Well balance brackets and gave lower level teams in F1 bracket B & C an opportunity to play spoiler to move on. Let's get the discussion started if your an 02 moving on to U15 next year which memorial weekend event would you rather be at Delco or PDA's?
PDA had much better quality at U15, including non-ECNL teams, than DELCO did at U15.
Cherry Hill should of been in second flight. They can kick and run to beat weaker teams but clearly can't play vs. top teams. but if you listen to their sidelines it's always the refs fault when they lose.
Looks like gotsoccer for this group now u15
gotsoccer modified the ages on gotsoccer profiles based on the age of the oldest player. so for most thats 2002 thus u15 . once your teams edit the rosters and get rid of the 2002s, you should fall back to u14.
803 is correct it will take about a few months(August) until club's organize players properly for GS to align right. Some club's accross the country are not even finish tryouts yet.
PDA is far more desirable beginning at u15. No question at all. I say this assuming your kid is a high enough level to begin to pique the top tier (top 50 or so RPI, College's interest in 8th grade. And believe me that's when they start tracking kids. You might not even know they are tracking your kid for a year or more, but if she's good, they are.
850 are you serious most these girls are only headed into 8th grade let them enjoy playing the sport. Why talk about college now, 99% of these girls do not even know where to attend or want course to take in college, let alone thinking of playing soccer in college yet. Stop leaving your life through your kid!
8:50. How do you know when they start tracking your kid? Are there any indicatives that they will use to help select like odp pdp etc? How can you make it easy for coaches to start tracking them?
4:47 PM +1 Some who have gone through this with more than one kid have learned some of these lessons the hard way. Unfortunately for many, the only way to learn it is to experience it yourself. My first was on the fast track and was accepted D1 and some D3s and went D1 and 2 years later doesn't play the sport any more. My youngest we're now taking a more prudent path. We passed on a super high level program to accept something more local but still very good with great kids. She's happy, thriving and we've come to realize that is all that matters. Smiles mean more than goals for us these days though we've been through it both ways. To each is one's own.
Kumbaya its time for the group hug.
I know because several college coaches told my older kid they were tracking her beginning in 8th grade (u14). Its like everything else in parenting you have to look out for your kid's future when they aren't mature enough to make decisions to ensure their own success. Of course the "right place" doesn't make them miserable or bankrupt the family before the haters take hold of this. Not living through them helping them find the right place for them to reach their potential. No different from a private school or tutor or sat class or violin lessons with a master or city orchestra etc...
Any info on when tracking will start now? If they continue to start at u14, they will get 1/2 7th graders.
The college coaches won't be scouting age groups they will be scouting graduating classes. You will still see some coaches at high level only ( national league / ECNL showcases) u14 games tracking exceptional 8th graders. They are the ones who have been invited to national camp or are outstanding on their top level teams, but kept out of camps for unfathomable reasons. The college coaches see through he politics and other factors keeping great players out.
The 2002/2003s aren't done as U13s quite yet. A big day today in USYS State Cup play. Results so far:DE - Kirkwood 2, DE Rush 0.VA - DC Stoddard 2, Beach FC 0.PAW - North United 2, Beadling 0.MA - FCUSA 1, South Shore 0. This may be the upset of the day. South Shore now uses its position as the RCL Champion to advance to the Region 1 tournament. This prevents SDFC from going to the tournament. Will FCUSA replicate success in the Philly market next year?MD - Pipeline defeats Bethesda. No score available yet.NYW - Games underway late today.Many of the familiar faces from EDP, RCL and local MidAtlantic tournaments will be in Barboursville, so the teams will know a lot about each other.
WNY Flash wins NYW State Cup.
SDFC is going to West Virginia....
10:17 - On what ticket?
10:17 Who cares.
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