Where is crush, never seen them play in any real event. Looks like they have three teams at this age, that tells me they are more about cash then training. And stallions? They talk about a one team wonder that was not even their team and the poor girls had to jump to 4 clubs before settling in for last two years.
The only people talking about how crush is a money maker, clearly don't know what they are talking about. I pay 2600 a year for crush and they train 3x a week, twice a week during winter and 6 tournaments both state cups and NPL league The club also offers an extra two sessions in the winter and fall/spring for certain players called CAS. Only a select group though. My daughter was part of this so the last 8 months of our crush experience she has trained 4 times a week and plays as many games and tournaments like other clubs. TSF SDFC and Maximus all cost 3000 plus. Crush have 3 teams, two who can compete (might not win) with any team in state. Next year their 03 team will compete with anyone around. Let's not forget crush u12 have won back to back state cup titles. Don't guess.. Go take a look for yourself. There is a reason why their first birth year session has over 95 kids signed up for the 03 team. Only 30 of them being actual crush players. My daughter is safe so the more players, the better ;-)
Response to 8:58am post, nj crush has the following: 5 players part of PDP (what gets you to ID2)5 players part of ODP3 players part of NTC (national training center- gets the likes of us national staff in attendance) For a "club" and not an academy like pda or match fit.. Seems to be the place for individual development and reaching success. You find two teams outside pda that have that many players in participation in high level ID camps like the two nj crush teams do
10:05. Which two clubs?
10:14, Agreed! He's always been a pot stirrer up here, first it was for the Stallions and now Crush. Top programs don't need to tout themselves up on anonymous blogs. You have nice parents and nice kids, but you just never stop up here do you? T minus 90 seconds till the "its not Danny, you're wrong"
Crush is much more expensive than the 2600, they dump fees on top of you all day long, but so do other clubs.As for the u12 state cup, this was 9v9 and all the top teams played 11v11, nice try. All of the best girls have left that team and most of the others. Question, why do al your best players always leave?
What will we do when Maximus moves up in age and we cant mention them in this forum?
Yes, but they are all jumpers. This is his 4th club in 5 years. Stallions, crush, Bulldogs and sdfc are just a bunch of English guys trying to make a living off of the wealthy Northern county people. The top 5 percent of all these girls always end up leaving. But the biggest issue is that with 4 or 5 competing clubs so close, they can never build the best teams.
Haha. Danny Vedder is the best coach in the world. Just ask Danny Vedder.
11:16 you make a good point. Think about taking the top 4-5 from sdfc sta Maximus and sprinkle in a top crush and tsf kid or two. That team would be nationally strong. Seems these teams just cannibalize each other creating very good but not nationally strong teams.
11:16 Stallions have proven they can build the best team (Dynamite) in the past with arrival of their DOC (via 4 other clubs), now they hope to repeat it with Freedom. Its possible, especially when ECNL (other than PDA) at some age groups are very weak.I'm not sure why posters here attack 9v9 play and praising "top teams played 11v11". Arent all teams going to be 4v4 then 7v7 and 9v9 for the younger age groups? Its more touches on the ball, in tighter spaces - better development, smaller teams, higher coach-to-player ratio. What is the consensus on "playing up" like Arsenal. Is it better for development or not? Does it force kids out of their element and makes the 5% shine, or you end up losing potential talent, because outstanding kids cant build confidence, dont develop skills at the right pace? How many of the kids that were meant to play up, end up bench-warmers mid way through the season?
The comment about 9v9 was about bragging on winning state cups without any competition, nothing to do with small sided play.The only reason arsenal is playing up is because of the age rule change and they are a club with zero depth across age groups. Playing up is only good for a select few, most struggle if playing up on premiere teams. With the BYC, I do think you will see more girls playing up because they have already been playing against half these players for years. Question on crush - who will be coaching the premiere team at 2003 next year and will you combine the best of all three teams at this age group? I know most of the stronger girls are 2002 kids, so who will be coaching them?
Both STA and Maximus played 9v9 as long as they could - They have benefited from that enormously based on their performance. Most arguments against 9v9 seem to be trollish, I'm sure they play other games with legit competition outside of the state cup. Maximus also won the 9v9 state cup (as did Rage Renegades before)- kudos to them. So, unless you're the top player (and by that I mean Galaxy) it does not make sens to play up? Is it skill/movement or is it the reaction time/speed/physicality that you need to learn at U14?
I actually think playing up a half year as a team is not a big deal. Given the quality of edp already i think this will be good for the teams that do. Think about it this way. Sdfc rage will be an 03 team. Is it better for them to go and beat teams 8-0 or to challenge themselves and maybe lose a few games. I would argue sdfc rage would develop their players better by having them play u15 next year. Think its a disservice to those kids dropping down a half step. If you don't challenge kids they wont be strong in the long run. I would rather have my kid play up to u15 vs playing u14. Shes 02 though so shes got no option.
At this age why generalize for an entire team. Some may benefit from playing and some may suffer. Have knowledgeable coach look at the individual child and make an appropriate choice.
Playing could also be a negative, as you're going against bigger and perhaps stronger girls and you might struggle. Who knows. time will Tell. i think its contradictory given that US Soccer says play up with the new girls Academy grouping 2003s and 2002s together. Are thee rules requiring a certain percentage of DA teams to be 2003s so they dont get phased out? the very selection process they worried about with BYC will otherwise come into effect with DA selections some 2002s will be off to high school playing against kids who might be 3 and 4 years older on varsity. I worry what will happen to our team the following season when a majority of the kids are off to high school. I think our 2002 squad will end up being predominantly older 2002s, and my kid will end up without teammates, or fill in kids for her U15 season when it counts. The whole thing blows. The U13s and U14s should have been grandfathered out of this. Those National team selections for u13 and u15 are pretty much set by now anyway.
My kid played on a team that played up to u11 and u12. They struggled at first but after they got used to the size and strength differential they ended up winning the league for the last 3 seasons they played. Team is now a top west coast club. Unless you have small weak kids it makes no sense not to play up. And socially its so much better to play your school age. I wish my team was staying together and playing up.
140 So your from the West Coast on NY/PA/NJ blog. HHmmmm!
Looking back at the teams that have played 11v11 early on - only SDFC seems to be doing relatively well - but they do play a lot of games (50+ for rage, 60+ for galaxy). I wonder if the rest dissipated (rush gray, barons, cherry hill) or betting on brawn vs skill did not work out for them so well.Im excluding PDA here, because their program scrimmages internally in 5v5 and 8v8, including boys teams.
The USWNT mauled columbia 7-0 and looked the most potent I have ever seen them. Horan, Long, Tobin, Crystal Dunn. new faces, incredible skill. This new generation of players is at the top of the world talent pool. You dont mess with something that works, and works well. This whole thing is classic bad decision-making. Ther
I don't think it matters at this point who played 11v11 early and who stayed 8v8 longer. The teams that are good are able to attract new talent at tryouts so that they can cut their bottom players. Each year a few girls (even ones that were previously strong) start to lag behind. If you cannot replace the weaker players with stronger girls, you won't be as good the next year. Sdfc rage added a few quality players this year (and cut a few at the same time) which is why they are so good and they have to continue to do so each year to remain at the top. If they just fill all of their spots internally for next year, they won't be nearly as competitive IMHO.
SDFC does not play well any more against good teams. Too much churn. They beat up teams with 1/4 their prestige on gotsoccer, and then play close games against teams with 1/2 their points. Probably good time to jump on the team as they will need to refuel their tank.
Why the hate for sdfc? Aren't they just playing the teams they are assigned to play? Top flight of edp, region 1.
#true SDFC is most odd club. 2 good coaches, heavy recruiting. Look at the U12 Galaxy - top team, plays 64 games, second team plays 31 games. Would you feel as a parent that you're bankrolling the trips to those 10 tournaments for the other team?U13 Rage - will win group play in region 1, bailed out of state cup, could have saved on travel, better competition. my bet is they will lose EDP to Maximus in rematch of Maximus' first 11v11 game.
I can't see SDFC 2002 staying with the club and playing with EDP 2nd league samba.. Maximus? Match Fit?
2002 Maximus, 2003 MF
Honest opinion. Would you drive 2.5 hours one way to an ecnl club? Is it worth thw sacrifice. We may be in that position next year. Thanks
No way, life is way more important than youth soccer.And you must live very far west in pa.
9:50 I do some crazy stuff for my kids sports but that is not reasonable, good luck
950 NO WAY 2.5 hours one way is insane! My limit and many others are about 1 hour. Sorry but ECNL clubs train 3 days a week and 1 or 2 games on the weekends plus over night away games. At 2.5 hours you and your daughter could easily spend 20+ hours per week in your car. That's equivalent to almost 2 whole days per week. If your daughter is that special of a player than it may be worth just relocating where you live.
Where do you live?
Would a family honestly relocate to play youth girl's soccer? That seems all kinds of crazy.
If you do do that, do not admit it! Looney tunes.
Ave house price in Bethesda is only 840k if you want to come this way.
instead of 2.5 hours one way, find a local trainer and do extra 2 practices a week. you just saved 12 hours. If you think that the local team is not up to par, ask yourself, how did your kid get good enough to play ecnl, on a horrible team. Maybe ecnl is not what she really needed after all.If you need extra practice competition, play with good boys team. They will stretch your girls capabilities even more than ECNL.
Yes there have been families relocating or moving closer to PDA facilities in North Jersey. Seen it first hand from my oldest daughter.
Just wow. I should have gone into youth sports.
Well parents do it for other youth sports all the time. If you can swing it financially and relocate jobs why not.
With respect to geographic access to ECNL, using PF ECNL as a case study, there are currently five players across all age groups from west of the Susquehanna River. This number would have been seven, but two moved into LANCO within the past year. Expect the "West Shore" count to tick up by at least one, if not two next season. Of course, girls DA at PAC, or ECNL status for PAC would likely considerably shorten the commute for skilled players in the PA hinterlands.
Because it it a youth sport, a game, an activity. What is so inherently valuable about it that you would relocate to play it a certain club when it is played almost everywhere? I suppose if you had a child that was freak of nature that could go pro and earn a living, maybe. But woman's soccer? I guess everyone just draws the line in a different place. Enjoy!
119 agree! Is anyone at the Parade this is why the 4 major sports in U.S. are more marketable and draw $'s than soccer. It's crazy downtown in Philly right now makes you wonder if Philly Union would ever be celebrated like this if they won MLS Cup or Men's/Women's college soccer would win NCAA tournament for soccer I doubt it. Forget DA/ECNL keep your girls playing multiple sports as you never know if they will excel in something more celebrated.
Ok. But I was going for something more celebrated than being great at a sport. Support a family, build a business, build a community. Building a team is great. Pursuing a sport is great. Are they important enough to relocate for? I guess to each his own but I don't see the wisdom of putting sports, any sports, on such a pedestal.
I'm 133 I would never relocate for a sport that does not provide enough of an income at the Women's level to support a family. Like I said my dd is multisport and I want her to stay that way until she commits to a school.
2.5 Hours what are thinking 9:50 you need a life and so does your daughter. But I suggest looking into the ECNL Discovery player status as a club may offer you that. I've seen first hand clubs in NY that have done this but with newly added ECNL clubs those specific players may not need to do it anymore. Players coming from Western NY state.http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/resource_center/451485.html
I did the one hour drive for ecnl. Its not worth it. practices could get moved a little farther away. sometimes practices were changed. next thing you know we are driving 1.5 each way because of traffic, for 1.5 of practice. stay close, there are alot of good clubs around. Let her do her homework. if she gets into a great school because of soccer, she better be able to keep up or she will never pay her bills after college.
If travel isn't an issue, which club in PAE should my daughter go with? We're within an hour of PF, CFC, and FC Bucks- Will cfc actually get the girls DA? Results-wise, PF seems to be much better. I've heard so many conflicting things about all of the clubs
1140 - IMHO, CFC or FC Bucks is a better place for a long-term commitment on the part of both parties. Many of the Reading area girls have been gravitating towards CFC.
11:40 if your daughter wants to play soccer in college and can handle an intense environment she should give pf a try.
PDA tournament; incompetent or unethical? Clearly incorrect flighting. Inaccurate score reporting. Fields changing without notice to either team. Probably both incompetent and unethical.
Please elaborate @10:53? Who was misflighted? What is unethical? What score is wrong?
FC Stars NPL in flight 1? Nova had there way with them and are now cruising in flight 2.
Cruising in flight 2? I guess the scores (and opponents?) are wrong. I see 1-0 victories against perennial powerhouses like Morris United and GPS. Poor Nova. The Jan Brady of PDA. Galaxy Galaxy Galaxy. That's all we ever hear. We're always Galaxy's little sister or Shores older sister...
The big difference between CFC and Bucks vs PF is whether your child is looking for development or exposure. At u13/u14, you might want to go for development while there’s still time. PF could easily lose its value as a showcase club soon, anyway. CFC and Bucks have awesome coaches for the upcoming year. But, CFC is still focused on the boys. PF – it doesn’t seem to matter who coaches because they really aren’t teaching much. Everyone plays one position, one formation, in a rigid style. A girl needs to know the style/formation to get on.Lots of pay to play rumored at PF. Lots of turnover and tears. An academy or ECNL at PA Classics or anywhere in Lancaster would decimate the player pool at PF. BYC and outreach efforts at the other two are likely to improve player quality and decrease it at PF. Also know that PF has been giving out this year’s ECNL spots since last fall. Makes their try-outs a waste of time.
Totally not true that the pf players aren't learning. Both of Coaches at u13 pre ecnl are outstanding. In contrast I have seen very poor sideline behavior from cfc coach but I'm not sure if he is same coach for next year.
The 3 PF ECNL coaches are truly outstanding. That said if your kid is not in the top half of the roster she won't get the same attention as others perceived as not evaluator. However they are open to player's improvement and reward it accordingly. Extra training etc can pay off. Penn fusion right now is the best place to be for the top 5 kids on any of the ecnl /pre ecnl teams. That said if CFC starts paying more attention to the girls that could change. They have some excellent coaches over there and the infrastructure is also present to make a improvements. Frankly their girls results should prod them into more action. The BYC may be problematic. Some of the CFC teams are loaded with older players. Penn fusion is more balanced and will largely reshuffle at the older ages and yes has been moving with the 03 and 02 years early to lock in the best "independent"players before tryouts. The 02s will be beastly next year. 03s have a lot of opportunity. I al sure they are hoping some studs show up to fill out and top off rosters at both ages. Saying tryouts are closed sounds to me like someone is either afraid for their kids spot or is from another club hoping penn fusion doesn't run all over them next year. Kids should tryout where they want tot play and where their parents can support them in going.
The best players go to PDA. The rest go everywhere else .
"Extra training etc can pay off." Yeah, exactly. You pay lots to do extra training with their coaches privately, your kids will get to play wherever she wants whenever. "Donations" are always welcome too.
"Saying tryouts are closed sounds to me like....."they went to the pre try out meeting and heard them say ECNL will be informed after the first try-out. Who does that unless they have already decided? That plus the 20 kids who say they've offers already.Sounds like someone wants kids to miss other try-outs to weaken other clubs and leave the kid with no better options than the west chester money maker NPL and C teams.
That's the PF way . It's a business .
The best don't go to PDA if Zarepheth is 2.5 hours from their homes...If the kid is good enough to break into the PF lineup the coaches won't need more than 1 tryout to tell because she will have an impact immediately. It makes perfect sense that they would be able to name the ECNL roster after one tryout. Anyway, with NTC and Penn fusion coaches in ODP what diamond is going to show up unnanounced to tryouts anyway? Yup there might not be opennings for role players that's true.
Why does Arsenal Maximus feel the need to talk so much smack.... Big talk for a team that isn't even following the new soccer guidelines next year.
If you're a top player you're not showing up to a tryout with 100+ players not having been seen before. All clubs make offers before tryouts and after the first tryout. Not sure why PF is being bashed for this. Par for the course up here in ny.
April 4th PDA Tournament prediction guy here (see above blog post). I hit 60% accuracy primarily relying on YSRs with some GS adjustments and personal observations. I picked 6 of 10 finalists and 3 of 5 champions. However, I did not have one clean flight, mostly on account of my PDA picks losing. At least Nova was a finalist. Thanks to the reliable Rush for coming through in the end.
Here are the RCL results from the past week:4/6/2016Elite White2 – SOUTHWESTERN YOUTH CARDINALS3 – HERNDON HURRICANES BLACK4/9/2016 Elite Red0 – EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTER2 – NORDIC PREMIER0 – RHINOS ELITE6 – LEVITTOWN WILDCATSElite Gray1 – KIRKWOOD ACADEMY0 – MSC DRAGONS WHITE 4/10/2016Elite Red9 – SOUTH SHORE SELECT ELITE0 –NORDIC PREMIERElite Blue2 – NORTH UNITED RUSH0 – NORTHERN STEEL STORMElite White0 – ARUNDEL PUMAS1 – SOUTHWESTERN YOUTH CARDINALSElite Gray3 – KIRKWOOD ACADEMY1 – LEE MOUNT VERNON PATRIOTS REDIt’s still too early to predict a winner in the Red Division. North United is now in control of the Blue Division after defeating Northern Steel. SDFC remains in control of the White Division. HMMS previously clinched the Gray Division. The playoffs are on May 7/8 at Kirkwood. Speaking of Kirkwood, this team may be one to watch. Although not ready for F1, it's ahead of all but HMMS and Rush in the Gray Division and has been improving over the past year. If it can survive BYC, it may be a strong contender in mid-tier flights going forward. This week includes a number of weeknight games as teams seek to makeup early season postponements.
April 10, 2016 at 8:05 PM , Mate, you just don't stop do you? My child is not with Maximus, but same as I've said last time you tried to start stuff with Maximus and SDFC, you should just stop. You're like one of these dance moms always looking for drama excitement. I dont think SDFC or Maximus talk any crap up here, you just keep attacking them over and over again. Why do you feel that will help your tryout recruitment with your 95 kids showing up to your open tryouts, why do you need more? and is this the way to go about getting it? VEDDER NJ CRUSHING IT!!!
PDA tournament was excellent. A tournament doesn't have that much control over referees or their calls. When you have a big tournament in central NJ, on a league game weekend, you pretty much have to gobble up every referee thats around to cover all the games. I doubt the Club assigns referees to certain matches in hopes of impacting the outcome. That's a bit too cynical by anyone's imagination.Weather cooperated, and there was great soccer.
PDA has egg on it's face in this age group. How do you let a rival Academy, NJ Rush, come in and win both their flights and you don't take any?? Pretty embarassing for them.
How about TSF coming out of nowhere to take the second flight, I do not think anybody saw that coming.
Yes great job by TSF.
Anyone care to cut and paste the id2 standouts from tds? Not a premiere member but curious. I should drop them from Twitter cause their teasers get me every time but I'm not paying them.
How was PF tryouts last night?
Preliminary Flights for DELCO released. GU13 has six flights total, first two currently stand like this (with YSR rating added for comparison):ChampionshipBracket AALBERTSON SC FURY '02 PRE-ECNL (NYE) (33.08)NEW JERSEY RUSH 02 GIRLS BLUE (FKA RAGE FC RENEGADES) (NJ) (34.03)WAZA FC EAST 03 BLACK (MI) (35.12)CHERRY HILL FC DESTROYERS '02 (NJ) (32.23)Bracket BCLARKSTOWN 2003 WHITE-ROZYCKI (NYE) (32.60)SDFC RAGE (NJ) (33.21)NORTH UNITED FC RUSH (PAW) (33.05)ARSENAL PREMIER MAXIMUS RED 2002 (NJ) (33.08)Bracket CHMMS IMPACT EAGLE FC (PAE) (33.60)NEW JERSEY RUSH 02 GIRLS GREY (NJ) (32.71)SOUTH SHORE SELECT U13 ELITE (MA) (33.54)SUSA FC LONG ISLAND SUSA G02' (NYE) (32.90)EliteBracket ACONTINENTAL FC PRE-ECNL '02F (PAE) (32.22)LEE MOUNT VERNON SC LMVSC PATRIOTS RED 02 (VA) (31.54)NJ CRUSH FC HEAT (NJ) (32.25)WESTERN NEW YORK FLASH ACADEMY WNY FLASH GIRLS 02/03 (NYW) (31.56)Bracket BBETHESDA SC FURY PRE-ECNL 02 (MD) (31.54)ISA SLAMMERS 02 NPL (NYE) (31.35)FUTURO 2003G (OTH) (Ottawa Canada)BEADLING 02-03 (PAW) (31.60)Bracket CCREW SC ELITE (OS) (32.12)CFC ARSENAL SKY (CT) (31.25)WASHINGTON UNITED FEVER '03 (NJ) (29.92)ALLEYCATS 02/03G NPL (NYE) (31.13)No argument with the top flight. Big question with Washington United in second flight, particularly with Supernova out of PAE with a rating of 31.26 placed all the down in the fourth flight. Some adjustments need to be made between flights 2 and 4. Of course, DELCO is likely the last hurrah for many of these teams, especially those that will not be competing regional or national championships. The wildcard will be how many of the teams will still be intact after BYC tryouts.
@ 9:57 My kid never moved from her field. My kid is a good technical player, but I recommended to her not playing selfishly and trying to play good possession. The players around her weren't very good and were trying to 'dominate' with awful scissors and stepovers.If she never even gets the chance to play on the top field with quality players around her, what's the point???
1118 Because the Top field is the already selected promised roster of players. All the other participants are there for all the other teams. Like many have said they have chosen there players already from the ID Clinics.
Any tryout numbers for 03 split. I heard Mfa had maybe 40 and they have four teams at the age. JU had tryouts yesterday?
Yes most at MFA tryouts were from within the club.. Not a big turnout.
11:18 why did she show up without a pre tryout session or at least call with the coaches? Sounds like she is a solid player, but one that isn't going to stand out and demand one of the few "open" spots that exist. My advice is get her to a training session at PF ASAP and see what happens. You guys with no older kids you need to understand that tryouts are generally not completely random comparisons at this age. Do some legwork and if she is technical and has a high soccer IQ show it at a session and she will have a good choice at being selected.
so heres a question - i have an 03 kid who has to switch teams - hers is breaking up. good player, npl level, not ecnl. and multisport athlete so not looking to this da everyone is talking about. looking for team within 30 minutes of old bridgetrying to narrow my options and y'all seem to have lots of opinions
It wouldn't matter if she came to the ID dates. The birth year ID worked the same way. The top group was for those who went to PAID programs with club or coach for most of the year. Now the only way is to pay for entire year on a revenue generating lower team. Unless you know someone you pay.
@4:29- you have no clue what you're talking about. My daughter made the 03 team and did none of that. There were over 100 girls at the 03 session. Over 100 for the 04s right before as well (penn fusion)
PAC had a 100 players for 02 tryouts. Taking 16 field players. That should be a good team next year.
Not much competition at MFA tryouts. Glad there early still gives me time to take my daughter to other clubs..
3:13 Mate if your kids is an NPL level player, you know who the other same level clubs are in the area...
@313 nope just transferred here, shes guesting now
9:39 - Just transferred here and the pushers have already enticed you onto this Blog? Just say No, the addiction of this Blog can be worse than crack.
@10:28"Just say No, the addiction of this Blog can be worse than crack."The best information ever given out in this blog
We are not concerned w college scholarships or the entire. My daughter likes to play and our only ulterior motive is that soccer may help her get into one of the schools she likes w a 5-10 percent acceptance rate. How realistic is that for a very bright hard working student athlete? Is it too late for field hockey?
Wnt not entire
5:24 5:32Thanks coach. Try to sound more like a parent, next time. Space your chime in your posts a bit more. With 5 teams to fill 100 isn’t a good number.
I'm 5:32 and am a parent and not the previous poster. What pf coach posts here?
God posts here. You did'nt here, he's at PF. The almighty decider. Cant wait to see the personalities at PF get along.
This weekend’s PA State Cup Quarter Final matchups:HMMS v. FC RevolutionYMS Tempo v. Fairmont FalconsWinners play semifinal on 4/30PAC v. FC Ninjas or FC Bucks (Ninjas and Bucks play 4/15)HFC v. LVUWinners play semifinal on 4/30
It was God/parent/non-coach that posted the birth year events 50 times.
Big game today!! Go Penn Fusion!!!
If your going to act like a PF parent , try a little harder. Who do they even play? PDA
Ok , yes pda @ 3. Go penn fusion!! The most incredible, talented, skilled, determined set of 12/13 year olds ever assembled to play the beautiful game! Especially my daughter!!! ;)
Why so quiet? Pda 3 PF 2. All kids on that field were awesome. Enough said.
Because PDA & PF haven't me a major tourney yet, and haven't beaten the top teams in the region either. So there is nothing to talk about because they haven't prooved anything yet.
9:47 here. We were missing our best player. Seriously, congratulations every kid on the field is awesome and lucky to be able to play the game on this spectacular day.
wow. admin deleting posts to make space for the U14 forum already. the u13 forum broken up into u12 and u14 age groups early with adoption of the new us club soccer rules.
Where should we go to blog ?
I counted about 70 players at PDA u14 tryout, heard they had over 100 sign up though. I don't understand how these coaches can pick from so much talent. I guess they don't look at their top 10 they know of from current roster who are 2003 players, but that still leaves 60 players to pick from. They have to miss a bunch and I don't think these coaches know the top players because they never play against the top NJ teams. Oh well, if my daughter doesn't get selected we are still in a good place and unsure anyway as the new DA is coming next year.
Hard to go to a PDA tryout when ODP sessions conflict with them on Wednesdays.Don't go to tryouts - attend practice sessions and talk to the coach. If the coach is interested, they will let you know.
Only 70? With at least 40 (probably higher) of their own players from the 02-03 teams and 03-04 teams. Figured they'd have a bigger turn out.
70 was just 03...
I know 70 03 players, it isn't that much considering the size of PDA and the amount of players currently on their 03 books who were in attendance.
considering pda has 60 players within driving distance- it is not much
Def. not much. There also making 2 teams.
Looks like clubs are closing the doors and joining barons?
Barons 03s are having 3 or 4 teams? What about the 02s?
759 yes heard the same thing and the following year they merge those teams with Rush squads, amazing how one little business merger can draw so much attention. I'm sure it will calm down in 2 years and other clubs like PDA South, Copa, REAL will pick up unhappy players evolving door.
What league does PDA Crew play in?
This is officially the 03 blog - 02's please move onto the crazy 4000+ blog at U15.
New MFA goalie is holding them together...
PF 2 CFC 2Let the excuses fly......
@4:25 pmNew MFA goalie is holding them together...April 23, 2016 at 4:25 PMWhat team is this MFA goalie on. There are 3 u12 teams ????Just courious ....
No excuse other than PF sucks
@654 you wouldn't be the parents of the girls who got cut (Yes Cut!!) from PF would you? I know a tie is a win for you. You are on the fast track to nowhere. Enjoy:)
Why would any girls get cut already? Tryouts haven't even begun. TM would be ruthless to do that.
Their national player no longer plays with them. Can't imagine that team will do much next year.
http://nplnortheastgirls.demosphere.com/schedules/2015-16/78887667.htmlAnyone can look up scores.
8:39You must be a very pathetic individual. May your kid grow up to be nothing like you.
National players dads pockets are going to get deeper when she gets a full ride to college. And I am sure your kid will grow up just like you, posting on kids soccer blogs at 1130 on a Saturday night. Now that's pathetic.
Thanks for your insight Dad !
Politics and money will get you everywhere with ECNL
Yes! she's on the u13 MFA pre ECNL.... Without her they would be getting killed..
My daughter doesn't want to play ecnl soccer next year, too intense. Please tell me it's going to be ok :(
Wow. CFC ties PF 2-2 Saturday and then Bucks rolls over CFC 4-1 Sunday. Cant explain it. Its going to take a year after tryouts to see who's who. Good Luck !
buyer beware moment - my daughter plays for ecnl club (not pda). coaches left over season. countless players left. two coaches are listed for five teams. Spent one month with only one practice per week - ecnl and npl. no games over winter and the list goes on. putting it out there bc we are sorry we stayed another year. look deeply and don't buy in because of the four letters, make sure you get what you pay for.
The past week in Region 1 play:4/19/2016 Blue Division1 - ARSENAL 2XTREME1 – BEADLING4/21/2016Red Divsion1 - DMS SOCCER ACADEMY 1 - EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTER4/23/2016 Red Division1 - LEVITTOWN WILDCATS1 - EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTER1 - EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTER5 - SOUTH SHORE SELECT0 - LEVITTOWN WILDCATS3 - SOUTH SHORE SELECTBlue Division0 - BEADLING2 - NORTHERN STEEL STORMWhite Division2 - LOUDOUN SOCCER RED1 - VINCENT UNITED F.C. INTEGRITY 3 - SOUTHWESTERN YOUTH CARDINALS RED0 - VINCENT UNITED F.C. INTEGRITY4/24/2016Red Division0 - DMS SOCCER ACADEMY2 - LEVITTOWN WILDCATSBlue Division1 - NORTH UNITED FC RUSH0 – BEADLING1 - EMPIRE UNITED BUFFALO BLUE5 - NORTHERN STEEL STORMWhite Division1 - HERNDON HURRICANES BLACK1 - VINCENT UNITED F.C. INTEGRITY2 - CENTURY V PGH FC GOLD0 - ARUNDEL ASA PUMASSouth Shore Select clinches the Red Division. With one game left to play, it has run roughshod over the rest of the Division going undefeated through 5 games with 23 GF and 1 GA.North United clinches the Blue Division. With one game left to play, it has controlled the Division going undefeated through 5 games with 14 GF and 2 GA. At this point, North United can do no worse than a tie for first with Northern Steel, and if that unlikely scenario happens, North United wins the head to head tie breaker having previously defeated Northern Steel.SDFC clinches the White Division. The only mar on its record is a scoreless draw with Rush Grey on 3/12.HMMS previously clinched the Gray Division going undefeated through six games.
Are you talking about WCFC? I really wish the club would get their act together, they could offer so much more. I think this is with most clubs and will be the same with the DA. These are not business people and none seem to be able to run a solid organization. PDA is rock solid, but come with issues too. They know they are the top club and get the best players, and because of this, they don't go above and beyond with training and amount of games played.
WCFC having issues too? I recognize that post from my own daughter's experience and it is not WCFC...
MF ECNL is a joke. All some people see is ECNL and they go running. Let them, their daughter will lose out on the development they would have had if they had stayed at other organizations with strong teams and good coaches. Having 2 coaches listed for their U13s to 18s isn't possible. Parents, be aware of other coaches leading most of the sessions or quite simply, not having many.
WCFC and MF both have 1 league win in the last 2 months? What exactly is "the magic" of ECNL in this case, why not choose a good EDP/NPL team? Do players secretly just jump on board at U14 and the clubs are able to recruit?
MFA has played 6 games and is 2-2-2 beating the mighty PDA Galaxy and FC Bucks, tied World Class and FC Boston, losing to Penn Fusion and Stars of Mass.World Class has played 5 games and are 1 win, 1 tie and 3 losses beating FSA, tied MFA and lost to Penn Fusion Continental FC and FC Bucks.
1237 and 253 why are we talking about Pre-ECNL teams Galaxy is the only legit team in that league there are plenty of better teams out side that private country club with much better players. If you match up the Pre-ECNL and Northeast NPL leagues to the EDP/NPL Flight 1 Brackets they don't even compare.
pre-ecnl is just that pre - why are you judging any teams in pre-ecnl or not - it all becomes relevant at U15. Now it is about training and learning the game. As long as there are enough quality teams in the league your club participates in, then your daughter is getting what she needs. And the fools that focus on Wins and loses know nothing about development - good coaches understand that kids are maturing at a different rate and that all need playing time to improve over winning - some teams around here play their best 12-13 players while the other players (14-18) travel all over, sit and watch. Is that development? does that make winning more important then development - when college scouts come and watch games they don't even pay attention to scores, they watch the players play - clearly winning is more for the ego's of parents and weak trainers
What's a typical turn-over of players between U13 and U15 at the ECNL clubs? Are most of the kids developed in the club or outside?
253 You are right on any given weekend a team in the Pre-ECNL league can win or lose the only mostly sure team is PDA Galaxy. Again there are plenty of stronger teams outside this league currently and will be curious if those teams attract even better talent after BYC.
10:53am it depends which club you are referring too. PDA typical turnover is rare as they get older U14+ unless that player game changer, plus you have to consider the multiple teams these ECNL clubs are pulling (PDA has usually 3 NPL teams to pull from - North, South, Shore).
I can only speak for our experience on my daughter's ECNL team. She joined at U-13 and there are only 4 girls remaining at U-15. Some were asked to leave/dropped to NPL - some left on their own. But getting there early is not the panacea. The funny thing is that the girls who replaced them are not all better. Some are. Some quite frankly aren't as good as the girls that they replaced.The culture is different at my daughter's ECNL club. It isn't a team. It is a pack of individual players who wear the same uniform and cooperate on game day. There are good things and bad things about that. It all depends on how your child handles it. It can be somewhat of a revolving door.
Daughter about to attend 2002 PF tryouts. I heard a rumor players have left that ECNL team due to the insane amount of drama on that team? Between parents too. True? I want to know what we would be getting into.
I have older kids. Boys have played in the DA and girls in ECNL. There is usually about 5-8 kids turning over each year from u13-u16 a couple at u17 and few at u18. I agree it is a very individualistic environment. Top 1-3 kids trying to get to national camp and a top 10 ranked college. Next 5 trying to prove they are in the top 3 to get same or at least a top 50 high percentage scholarship. 8-20 trying to get on or stay on the field to show for a D1 scholarship of some sort. It get the job done if the job is to get the top kids to national camp and top 10 programs and most of the remainder D1 scholarships of some sort (yes the bottom 3-5 will play d2 or d3) There is little team chemistry as a result of the inter team competition, kids coming and going, kids going to many different schools in as many as 3 different grades and the natural competitive nature of the kids and clubs. Not much warm fuzzy to be found in that environment. The DA will be even more focused on the top players I believe since it is supposed to be a cauldron for brewing national team players
3:20 spot on.
Delran's head coach needs to step down due to behavior at soccer game when he refused to coach or talk to any of his team player during game.This is a paid coach making money from the team to be there and coach our kids. These girls are thirteen years old, grow up coach or step down!!!
Haha. I have seen danny vedder do that twice against our team.
Any word at PDA North Tryouts numbers that tried out or any surprises players from MF or WC?
If you are contemplating a move to the ECNL or national league team for your child, try to be as objective as you can about her abilities and where she will rank on the team's roster. If she is a top 3 player she (and you) will probably be happy unless the team is so weak that she thinks it is actually inhibiting her development and exposure. She will play the full game and assuming it's a competitive team, your biggest problem will be the other parents' resentment when your kid is off at id2 type events and the coaches are paying a lot of attention to her at practice. Your child will probably see the ball a lot if an attacking or midfield player because her teammates will be told to "get (your Mia) the ball". The next tier down kids and their parents will feel slighted and harbor resentment toward the top tier. They will play 3/4 of the game or so and be really upset when the ID rosters come out. They may be upset being told to give Mia the ball and may actually refuse to involve that player. That will likely result in moving down a tier.The next tier kids play about 50% They pretty much know they aren't tier 1 yet. They enjoy excellent exposure at showcases and they clearly benefit from the ECNL . They are pushed to improve by better players and they are on the field enough to find a good college match. This is actually the majority of the players. Probably around 10-12 They do feel pressure to perform and keep in this mix of players or they will fall to...Bottom tier of about 5 players. Some are miserable. They are playing 10-15 minutes a half. Some of their parents believe they are really tier 3 players and are really poisonous. They are constantly harping that the coach is terrible and even sometimes say negative things about kids as in so and so had a terrible game Saturday...Some of these families are quiet and seem accepting. They harbor hope to move up and they generally are families of physical late bloomers hoping puberty will help the cause or new to the team and hope better training and playing with better kids will steepen their kids' curve over the others and they will move up. Many times this is actually the case.Making an objective evaluation is why it is most helpful to see your player training with existing players to try and get a feel for where she falls in the pecking order. If an attacking player, does she score more goals with ease during the small sided than the other players? Is she beating multiple players off the dribble? Are the defenders backing up and looking reluctant to defend her? If a defensive player, does she "stuff" the opposing attackers frequently? Do you see attackers trying to attack the opposite side? Did any goal go through her space? If a midfielder, similarly is she winning tackles? Do her passes put attackers through to the goal frequently? How often does she turn over the ball? Does she score a few herself?Hard to determine these things at a tryout with 80-100 kids. Our experience has been that the ECNL is more good than bad for the majority of players. But hopefully you and your child enter with eyes open because its a different world than town travel.
When comparing ECNL and National League, keep these points in mind with respect to National League: 1) National League has a system of promotion and relegation in that participation is earned each year based on a team's prior year performance; and 2) National League requires team continuity in that at least 9 players on a current year roster must have been members of the prior year team that earned the National League berth. Therefore, if you are trying out for a National League qualifying team, understand that there will be very little turnover of players because of the continuity requirement and the team may not stay at the National League level if it does not continue to perform. National League is not a country club. Teams become members the old fashioned way, they earn it.
@912. Spot on. My daughter was bottom third. It's miserable. Instead of waiting to get dropped, she asked to be moved. Bottom third is just not being developed as well. they just aren't getting the attention or game time. Be realistic with your player, they stil have many years ahead of them.
Don't jump on me. Just curious. What were the numbers at PDA. Copa. And Sta tryouts.
WC 03 tryouts are over - going to be a very special group 03 ecnl. - 100 girls at tryouts give or take a fewgood luck to everyone out there
Anybody trying out for 02 SJEB Rush team? Curious about this team and thinking of taking my daughter to tryouts. Never heard of coaches Dave Barbour and Sandeep Methane. Any feedback on them also?
@1127 We also saw some of the bottom tier kids lose confidence and spiral further away from the rest. It is a tough place to be sounds like your and your child's insightfulness put her in a better place.
2:55Yes there is plenty of conflict with 02 team. Good luck.
A ton of girls showed for the 02 SJEB/Rush tryout on Tuesday night. But, within the first 15-20 min of tryout a storm blew thru and the tryout was cancelled. Next one is Sunday evening. Lots, of SJEB, RUSH, PDA, etc practice gear was on. Not sure what the essential plan is. Looking to put a mega team together it seems. Seems like both clubs are putting a lot into this 02 team. Noticed license plates from PA, and Delaware. Stay tuned I guess. Please note that other tryouts where going on for older age groups as well. So out of state players could be included with those groups as well.
Yadda Yadda Yadda and for those that are unhappy or make the B squad because of being overlooked they will flock to PDA South or New Copa South and the landscape once again shifts the following year. There is no such thing as a Mega team in the world of soccer as there are many good clubs in the region plus the 02's will be moving on to be U15 and many into HS it's going to be about showcasing from there on out not winning a batch of tournaments. If players in HS are not getting looks they will move on to a more establish club like PDA to get the brand name behind there child. I think PDA South will ultimately win out from that merger.
I heard when the girls DA starts fall 17', only going to be U17/18 to start, like they did when they started the boys. Know someone who was on conference call w Ramos other day.
1015 Yes it will start off slowly just like the boys, it will take several years to actually be an impact and universities transition to it for recruiting. With ECNL its already established so there is no rush to just throw something out there and fail. Smart move for USSF.
From the FAQsDoes an Academy club have to field a team at all age groups?Yes, clubs must have a team at all three combined age groups U-14/15, U-16/17, and U-18/19.
I am also curious about the new Rush SJEB coaches. Google their names. I don't seen any soccer playing or coaching experience attached to Sandeep Mehtani. It looks like he might own the NJ Rush franchise, doesn't mean he knows how to teach kids the game. Barbour looks like he has bounced around from club to club, doesn't appear to have any high level coaching licenses. For 2002 kids entering high school and playing at this level I'd want coaches with better resumes than what I see.
11:49 You are correct also for the odd years since those teams are usually made up of older birth years so besides those 3 age group of teams there is Pre-Academy squads as well a DA club will need to follow. Example - U14/15 teams are mostly U16/17 are mostly 00's with the exception of a few 01's next year but the 01's with potential to move into the squad the following year and join the 01 exceptions. There is also Pre-Academy at U13. It's not all cut and dry if anyone really wants to know DA follow what the boys do and look at some those rosters, been there and done it with my eldest son.
yes there will only be a few of the "younger" birth years on the academy teams. The majority of the younger or "off years" will make up a US club administered "pre-academy" league. Before this upcoming year there was a bit of a problem because the pre academy teams were on the whole younger than the competition they faced in tournaments because they kept the birth year cut offs. Now that problem goes away and the pre academy teams will essentially be very competitive premier NPL type teams.
Did anyone get an offer from PDA yet?
Yes some girls did after the first tryout.
Offers were made to players for PDA,CFC,PF,FC Bucks. There may be two to three spots open per team. FC Bucks is the best option from what I am hearing.
MFA and PDA shore as well
It'll be HMMS versus Lehigh Valley United in the State Cup final.
Has PDA Crew been offered or just Galaxy?What do mean Bucks is the best option?
PAE State Cup2 – HMMS0 – YMS2 – LVU (kicks from the mark)1 – PACFinal on 5/14
Apparently East Meadow picked up a new outstanding Midfielder . Anyone know which club she came from ?
The easy meadow pre ecnl team? What year? They break into two age groups next year and everything changes.
Dont know where the East Meadow player came from... but she just went to the U14 National Team Camp this spring and she is a young Sept 2003. How was the PF vs. East Meadow game?
I think she may have played for Albertson in the fall.
This past week in Region 1 play:Elite RedMay 01, 2016 0 - KINGS FC1 - LEVITTOWN WILDCATSApril 30, 2016 9 - SOUTH SHORE SELECT0 - RHINOS ELITE SC3 - LEVITTOWN WILDCATS0 - NORDIC SCApril 27, 2016 1 - DMS SOCCER0 - RHINOS ELITEApril 25, 2016 0 - RHINOS ELITE SC0 - EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTERElite BlueApril 30, 2016 3 - NORTH UNITED0 - ARSENAL XTREMEApril 28, 2016 0 - EMPIRE UNITED BUFFALO3 - WNY FLASH ACADEMY Elite WhiteNo games playedElite GrayApril 29, 2016 3 - LMVSC PATRIOTS1 - MSC DRAGONSSchedule not yet set for playoffs to be conducted 5/7 and 5/8 at Kirkwood, DE. Semi-finalists are:South Shore Select (MA)North United (PAW)SDFC (NJ)HMMS (PAE)
@9:41 - Correct. Albertson to East Meadow.
When are you folks going to learn to not discuss your children on on anonymous forums, even if yo are proud of them?
How will the new east meadow 03 team look next year?
What about the year after next year?
Albertson had majority of team 2003 BY - that's the opposite of most teams and would think they would do very well in BYC transition.
@941 - what happens to the NPL pre ecnl league? Do they have any play off? Or does their season just end? Who won the NJ state cup?
When do the ecnl u15 rosters come out for PDA? I heard as many as 26 spots. That's a ton of cash for one team.
1133 Northeast NPL does playoffs top four teams advance in league.http://nationalpremierleagues.com/NortheastGirls/Playoffs/index_E.html
1133 - NJ Club State Cup:Rush Grey v. TSF on 5/7NJ Crush v. (Rush Blue or Cherry Hill) on 5/7Rush Blue v. Cherry Hill tonight.NJYS State Cup: Rush Blue defeated Rush Grey in the fall.
TSF playing well these days. Cant be discounted from the state cup.
How come PDA North, Matchfit and SDFC were not in this spring's NJ State Cup? It feels like it's the same ole story in the state cups from fall and spring. Why wouldn't you have a team enter to try and see the competition!
PDA South Tryouts tonight what is everyone's thoughts?
CFC tryouts tonight. Should be interesting to see the numbers. PF is all locked up no spots left. Bucks has a bunch of spots open.
341 How do you know this info about PF and Bucks? As for PDA tryouts I think there will be many coming out due to SJ merger between SJEB/Rush as players look to obtain a roster at either club before they are locked up.
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