Another beat down today. Great way to end the season... And time to move to u15 where the going will get really tough.
237 Seriously give the team/players credit for what they have accomplished instead of trying to knock them down.
So now that fall is getting closer, what are the 2002's that will be in 8th grade doing. My daughters club may have a few practices, but no games. Pretty sure middle school soccer will not be competitive enough to fill the gap, but don't know what options to pursue...
339, all about you, not the team. Tired of your bragging and then excuses. Move on to u15 now please.
@237, 339-What a nut. I'm assuming your kid's team didn't come anywhere close to any championship (state, regional, NPL, USYS, etc). You sound like a baby, poor sport. Like the other poster said, give credit to teams that do well. Maybe one day, you will have the pleasure of getting to that level. If not, so what.
908 (nut) not 339.
945 is that all you can say move on, like someone said give credit to what they accomplish no other team in NJ has done what they have done. If you don't move on from your own Jealousy it will only get worst as your own daughter gets older knowing she has not accomplish what some of these girls have done and most likely continue to do in the future. So move yourself!
Please stop saying anything about the rush teams. Maybe they will go away.
Maybe rush overplayed the kids. 3 big tournaments in one month? Seems a bit idiotic. For what? Yay they were u13 r1 champs. Put that on your resume when applying to tcnj.
Three weeks to go until Spirit for those U13s converting to U15s and big girl ball. Time to change boards.
157 Seriously why start up again get over it, if you are moving on to U15 why are you still on this U13 Blog go bother the U14's till then.
Rush got smoked because they had to play with their own roster. Couldn't "blend" with other NJ Rush for the last go round. The too big, too tall, too fast, too old excuse in total BS. You played your designated age group. Had a good season but one would have expected a whole lot more from a team so highly ranked. Good luck playing up at 2002. Me thinks they might be big, tall, fast and old there as well.
I think they have gone away. Thanks god.
@522...weird. Just plain weird (and probably a bit jealous). Let your own kid strive for the best--and you should stay out of her way. Do you even have a daughter playing soccer? Or is this just your sadness shining through from your youth days? Not a Rush Blue parent BTW.
Anyone else watching the National Championship game and think that all So Cal Blues do is hit the ball up the field as hard as possible when their defenders touch it? They even have their defender take goal kicks.... Doesn't help that the coach coaches barefoot!
Yea, can't stop watching it. Your daughter is amazing and so is rush, they should have won.
Why doesnt someone from RUSH just explain what happened - why they were able to win games at R1 tournament by a combined 21-1 - then lost by a combined 1-13 at Nationals?What is the story? It cant just be about the strength of the opposition.
We had to play with our own team, the girls were so sick of playing in 100 games this season for the parents, they just gave up. They wanted their childhood back and just wanted to enjoy the summer like all the other kids. And to make things worst, none of us have any money or time for vacation.
Will any of the rush teams play at stars agin this year?
Stars accepted list is out and 2003 is a huge group and very solid. 2002 is weak and not many teams. This will be a trend this year, we should all be happy that we have 03 girls. Probably why teams like Maximus and rush aren't playing this year.
Most clubs don't even a 2002 team playing in the fall until Nov.
1:30 you're an idiot.
9:12 - If you are going to call someone an idiot, demonstrate the intellectual capacity to explain why you think they are an idiot.
What did I say? I just talked about stars and why two clubs aren't going this year because the tournamnet is weak at 2002 age.911 - thanks for sticking up for me.
Can anyone guess on the teams in top bracket at stars.Will they have two top brackets and finals be against each other?Hard to say what teams are going to be good at 2003 - team make ups are all different this year.
Looks Like Cedar Stars will be in the next round of Girls DA + a awesome facility. http://tworivertimes.com/soccer-academy-coming-to-tinton-falls/
Late correction but only 6 girls from Lyon on Galaxy, not 7. Heard one dropped out.
That is a very low number. Assume there are a bunch of outsiders.
Will this board be 03?
Yes. It will be the new Lyons board
Isn't Lyon 04?
Yes, but more than half the team is now 03...Good luck
Watch out for south shore select at stars. Sdfc yellow may have stayed solid at 2003 too.I think most of the ecnl teams lost most of their top players to the 2002 age group - to hard to tell yet.This is also why Maximus and rush are not playing this year - they moved to 2002.
Anyone know what the cost of NJ ODP is if you make the state team? Can't seem to find it anywhere.
Prob 1500 plus to play with very average soccer players. If you do everything.
ODP may not be the best of the best or the least expensive option for what it provides BUT it is a nice line on the soccer player's resume. And, for those that do not play ECNL or NPL or may be a late bloomer, etc... It can be an avenue to become recognized by some people that matter in the youth soccer world....And, if it does none of those things for your child, it is another way for your child to learn some life skills, see different types of leadership. Meet new people. Learn how to cope with a new environment. Deal with success and/or failure. So, for all of those bashing it for not being the best thing ever or what it used to be, that isn't always the point.
"....to [play with very average soccer players"Better players than when playing with your club.Different styles and personalities, often, as well.If you want to cheap out, so be it, 10:50
Ha. Almost every kid on her team made state and multiple region oners. All of them have quit odp. Much better players than odp kick and run. Maybe faster kids at odp but that does nothing to improve a kids decision process.
Hey, you had a bad experience. Likely less minutes than you likedWe get it
For ODP you can take a look at the scheduled sessions (available through Team App) and at fees for last year for 2003:winter training (5 sessions) - 250friendlies - 150spring state fee (9 sessions + tryouts + team selection) - 850mini camp - 150region 1 camp - 690I know of a bunch of kids that didnt like it (and made ID2 camp through PDP) and a bunch of kids that liked it, and made the Region 1 team. If you havent done it, go for tryouts and the winter training - it will give you a flavor of what its like before you have to spend the $850 or more. Winter training is done outside, and frequently cancelled. If you dont make the training/friendlies - you probably wont make the state team selection.
Still no brackets from stars? Probably very hard with all the new teams, will be difficult to get it right.
Stars of Mass info...Schedules: August 22nd, 2016
It says on webpage that brackets would be released 8-12, schedules 8-22
Correct and nothing posted. Probably will be all ecnl in top bracket. But many of them are very weak, but who knows about the others too.
1:17 couldn't drag her there she thought the kids sucked. Juice was not worth the squeeze. She plays with NT kids, region 1 kids, id2 kids, at a lot at other venues from age groups 00,01,02, 03. There is only so much outside the club you can do and it paled in comparison to other opportunites of which many exist.
None of the ECNL teams will be weak.
We don't hear much about Delaware soccer on the Blog, but there is a new organization in the Diamond State under the banner Delaware FC (DEFC). DEFC is a joint venture between Delaware Rush, Delaware Union, and Kirkwood. DEFC states that it was created "as an avenue for elite boys and girls in the area to compete at the highest level possible in the short-term, with the long-term goal of applying for “Zone 1” Development Academy status in future years." So far, it appears to only be fielding 2003 and 2004 teams. The 2003 girls appear to be mostly former Kirkwood players with some DE Rush and others. There is a large contingent with ties to Cecil Storm and some go way back through DE Rush to the old Hockessin Galaxy. DEFC will be playing U14 EDP 1st Division East. It will be interesting to see how this team does.
So Cedar Stars got the last GDA in NJ. I wonder if players in South Jersey are willing to drive north to Tinton Falls to play for a GDA. Only three GDA to choose from in NJ.
Still no updates from stars - brackets are tough to figure out I assume.They should at least have the courtesy to update webpage.
Yes the stars have no idea how to rank these new teams. They have moved the dates out again. Let's just hope they get us something by the time the tournament starts...
Brackets are out. Basically ECNL/NENPL/EDP. At this age the EDP teams are probably better than everyone other than PDA and Stars NENPL teams. The most interesting dynamic this year will be movement of players between teams.
Everything has changed so much, no one has a clue what these new teams will look like. Even stars team lost most of their players to u15 and their u12 teams last year were just okay. South shore and sdfc are probably the strongest non ecnl teams. matchfit and WC will probably be average at best again this year. Pda may have a chance, a lot of girls stayed in this age bracket from u13 last year. Should be interesting to see the eclipse teams play. They have best, get to play teams they normally would not, all tne ecnl teams will play each other all year, boring to pay to play them again.
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Why would you want to travel to Boston over Labor Day and pay high tournament and travel fees to play the same teams you play in regular league twice a year? This is why you need to jump on a plane and travel, at least you get different teams and see how you compare outside your region. Agree, only eclipse will benefit from experience.
Great hospitality in Boston
Same teams will be playing against each other within the month in ecnl league play. This is when they should mix it up, while they still can.I agree - would be nice to see teams like PDA - play sdfc and south shore instead of the same ecnl teams they will play all year.
do the coaches get to lobby on where they will be playing. the brackets are all over the place based on "past perfoemances". many teams use this tournament as a tune-up and as a bonding experience, im sure, as it really is the first competition they get this season (unless you also do spirit united :)
Should be 4th NJ DA team coming....I heard Red Bulls are real close
And stallions and crush too.Will be just like npl and then they will pick 1 girl each year to play on natl team roster.Then 1 in every 4 years will make the natl team from our region. Odds are with them.
What about Stallions and Crush?
RED bulls girls DA? Maybe when MLS has women teams.
Had heard Red Bulls were in discussion with one of the already announced clubs. That did not happen, so nothing would surprise me.
The mess in which DA was created to take away status from ECNL is getting weirder. Now the tweet from ISA/SUSA - which I assume is just a dig at Cedar Stars. Are they planning to buy a club? They dont really have quality teams on Girls side..https://twitter.com/ISAGirlsNY/status/767101491115134977
CSA has girls teams. That tweet is directed toward Fury.
There are enough kids at the shore to form a DA. Question is how many will pay the 5K? CSA has big money behind it, so I would guess they will subsidize more than MFA and PDA.
Anything happen at Spirit this weekend?
2:18. Sure did! Games were won and games were loss. Scores are on their website.
Some games also ended in a draw. But that also can be determined from the website.
I thought there is not much cost to DA? Except travel? What will girls DA cost?
What happened during the STA Fall tournament this weekend? Were the scores posted on-line at the STA website as well?
Only strong teams at STA were WCFC, STA and SDFC.WCFC had 3 teams represented but 03 ECNL team played up at 02 level so while they did well, that age group is mixup of non-high school A, B and C teamplayers so it's hard to tell how they really rate. No surprises that Maximus won that 02 bracket and they still look strong.That left STA Sol and SDFC Yellow to cruise to the 03 final with STA taking it 1 0 in a close entertaining game that could have gone either way.
Wcfc doesn't have any strong teams. There 2003 ecnl team may do a little better this year, because they kept many 03 girls. Nice showing against a strong 2002 Maximus team. Almost all the other ecnl teams were 80 percent plus 2002 starters. Heard PDA has a lot of 2003 starters from last year. I think they only play ecnl teams, so probably won't see them much, if at all.
Girls DA for 2017-18 will cost whatever the clubs wish to chargeIt is not being subsidized by US Soccer, other than maybe some equipment from Nike.
There is money for scholarships but the impact for each GDAP will be small.
World Class '01 should be a pretty good team.And the '02s benefit from having a pretty good base from last year's U14
I thought Cedar Stars GDA will be fee free at older ages?
The WCFC 2002's have 6 kids from MFA including the national team player, who is a difference maker. Their U12 team was excellent, so I would guess the 2003 team will be pretty good as well.
8 02' players from Matchfit and coach i believe, that won ECNL division last year - so team is dominated by Matchfit but should be pretty solidWC struggles getting the better talent on their own - problem is too much nepotism - Head of Girls side has two daughters playing up when they send tons of emails out saying that's not allowed Too many daddy's and friends of daddy's coaching at WC PDA will be very strong 03 team - most coming back from previous teamMuch Fit 03 will struggle again
I'd guess MFA 2003 will be .500 in ECNL. Top of the team is very good. May lack depth, we'll know more this weekend.
Any girls left from the njx team on mf
Ah - ya 3They have no chance. Rec team
How did mf do
The top players are original from NJX. Top half of team very strong, hard drop off after that.
Sdfc will be very diff end this year. Should have been in a much lower bracket at stars.
I bet one SDFC dad is pissed.
What's changed with NYSC? They went from 2 girls teams to 3 per age group? Do they play both EDP and NY NPL as the same team?
I thought that SDFC had mixed results against top teams last year as well. I hope they played well and the games were close. They will recover and they will belong in that bracket again.True surprise is the Seacoast United team - well done!
As the kids get older the top clubs get stronger and the rest get a little weaker. SDFC is still a very good team, they just won't win many games against the best NPL teams and the weaker ECNL teams. The white flight was clearly the 2nd flight at the tourney, all the perceived top teams were in the Blue flight.
So got soccer has them ranked number one in NJ? Is this why they were in the second flight?
Premier Blue had all ECNL teams. Premier White had a mix of ECNL and NPL teams, including SDFC. No need to slam SDFC because they weren't in the other flight.
Congrats to PDA! Not a PDA parent but all three of their teams did very well. Continue to take away that the top ECNL teams are very strong but take notice that some clubs that are NPL only, their top teams are pretty level with middle of the pack ECNL teams.
What has changed with NYSC?A: There was a mergerSDFC will have trouble competing with top NPL teams- no, this is rubbishCrush Flames seemed to have been slighted, in the fifth flight (6th in NJ), though the 7th ranked team in Mass was in flight 3(Crush outscores opponents 19-0 for the weekend)
Agree, crush should have been higher, but not because of GS rankings.Look at the PDA a team, they are ranked way down around 20 in state.This is where your club has to step up and request the flight you should be in and you would think they would be able to with the amount of teams you have sent there over the years. It looks like crush has a very solid 03 team and probably much stronger than sdfc. By the way, the second bracket looked very weak. I think PDA b team or crush could have easily competed and probably won this flight.
NJ CRUSH has solid team. But like all the rest of their teams, they will lose most of the players next year. They come over from other teams for a few years and then move up to the next level when they need visibility.
Rumor has it FC Crush being considered for next wave of DA. And that was crush's edp team. Their NPL team didn't play in that tourney. Probably strongest 03 group (2 teams) overall in Northern NJ.
Does CRUSH have the F licenses and fields?As for the better of your 2003 teams, the NPL teams looks much weaker. placing 7 in edp league last year. Look at their got soccer page, shows how weak they really are.
why would anyone trust gotsoccer at this point - after a reshuffle, and when clearly the best team in NJ - PDA ECNL has 20 points and is ranked 247th in NJ (9:00 am on 9/7). even when youthsoccerrankings puts a disclaimer "It will take several months to establish enough results to publish a meaningful national ranking. Please check back in October."teams will play, pundits will come up with a top 5 every week. we'll have fun on this forum again.
Never heard anything about PDA ecnl team mentioned on this board in past, you must be one of the new parents. And would assume coming up from Lyons... I'm sure the team is one of the top, but they are new too and need to prove out the season before being ranked number one, by anyone. It also will be tough to decide if they don't play the other top teams.
The PDA ECNL 2003 team that just won top flight at the FC Stars fka Galaxy?https://events.gotsport.com/events/resultsgrid.aspx?EventID=52357&GroupID=526431nothing to do with Lyon, also mentioned at September 6, 2016 at 4:03 PM. joy to watch, win or lose. just dont troll this place with gotsoccer or Lyon or new parent stuff.
Thanks new PDA dad.
PDA traditionally participates in fewer tournaments than other NJ clubs. That is why their GS points and rankings are low. The tournaments they do participate in usually carry very high GS flight point totals though. Think quality over quantity.
more ammo for the gotsoccer trolls. point allocations are more messed up than their rankings so at U14 fc stars the top bracket was weak. it will take months to recover any quality from gotsoccerPremiership Blue 3244Premiership White 7150Championship Blue 7625Championship White 5625League 1 2931League 2 2808League 3 1189https://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=52357
2015 FC Stars point allocations for U13 Premiership - Blue 9500Premiership - White 8500Championship - Blue 7000Championship - White 4684League 1 - 1572League 2 - 2808League 3 - 789https://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=45596
2016 FC Stars Prem Blue Bracket U14AlbyClevelandMFFC StarsBoston BreakersEclipseEMPDA2015 FC Stars Prem Blue Bracket U13AlbySDFCPDANEFCNJ RushFC StarsYankee UnotedMF
This is where clubs like FC CRUSH know what they are doing. 5th flight winner gets almost the same points as PDA for winnining top flight.They should move up to 4th in state soon and recruit a few more parents...
Do parents look at got soccer rankings to choose a soccer team for their kid? Do parents even know what number rank is assigned to their kid's team?
i did hear parents bragging about their kids' team gotscore rankings. also obsessed about the a team vs b team placement.
That is hilarious. I should come up with a way to numerically rank kids in all their different activities and try to make some money.
GS rankings and points are misleading. Best way to tell if a team is any good is to look at their past results. All it takes is one high ranking team in a flight to carry points in a tournament, but it is fun to look at.
yes, parents are totally obsessed with GS points. They think it actually means something. You'll hear more about it this year with the addition of the "younger" families to this age. GS points mattered for U10-12 teams as it helped get them accepted into premier tournaments.
Our club cares about the points the least. We are most worried about being the best dressed. Putting kids in college comes right after snazy dressing.
What is going on with the FC Bucks U14 ECNL team?1-12 loss to Boston Breakers1-10 loss to WNY FlashGames were in Boston, were they missing players? Missing their goalie??
Wow. What a waste of time and money to have to go play them. Anyway they can move down to another level?
Connecticut did this last year to tne league and ended up not finishing tne season. Looks like ecnl may have two this year that do not belong. Havnt seen any scores yet, but hard to belive they can come back as week as they were.
@ 8:36They kept the '03s from last year's u13 and are now u15. It cascaded all the way down. Lots of '04s to fill in.
That is nuts. Why would the 03 want to go u15 now and not have a real season. No other club has done this and they should be penalized for wasting everyone's time playing them.
12:40 - completely agree. I don't know of any other ECNL clubs letting '03's play up, especially for the fall season. Its a waste of everybodys time and just no fun to play against a team like that.
Many clubs have kept '03s at U15, particularly those who are Class of 2021, and in effect, in no different position than their '02 peers who are also Class of 2021.
. . . but maybe not ECNL clubs.
ECNL is on its last legs and will need to reinvent itself once GDA starts. Boston Breaks and WNY Flash are the teams that should be fined for running up the score. Show class and good sportsmanship to the lesser teams on your way up, you see them when they pass you by later on.
Show class? Shut up u loser. They travel 5 hours to play a club that shouldn't be in league.You need to stay at rec level....
Agree, no reason to play a team that bad at this level. The club/team/coach should know better. These teams travel far and spend tons of money doing so.
League sanctions for fielding a poor team?Hmmmmm.....Interesting concept.Mighty ECNL a bit embarrassed?
It is a kid soccer league, not any kind of pro league. Show some class. Just because you decided to buy into this league's hype and spend tons of money and miles you are not entitled to humiliate a team of youth players.
There are miss matches at every level of play, all types of sports, no matter how far you travel, or how much money you spend. There is always a team that is better and worse than yours. Teams don't get a pass on lack of sportsmanship just for playing ECNL or in any other elite league. A good coach can always keep the score under control and develop the team at the same time.
Putting out a totally non competitive outfit is grounds for a sanction vs that club. Especially if it is due to players playing above their age grade - or a club not placing its best team in the division that it belongsNPL went through this with HBC and with Brentwood. Brentwood survived while HBC did not.FC Bucks needs to be inspected closely with regards to this matter
Sanction the club if that is what is called for. The kids out playing the game should be treated with some sportsmanship.
The majority of the team is 2004/2022 graduating class. they need to play age appropriate if they can't compete. I'm sure every 2004 team in ecnl could destroy this team too. Way to go bucks.
The scores could have been much worse.
Confused about nj crush. Is there top team flames or heat? In other words is ny npl or EDP their top team? Or are they different locations and not necessarily A and B?
They are both b teams.
Bucks team just getting killed. And this league has goal differential, so teams can't hold back.MF not doing very well either, ecnl can be just as weak as any league
MFA has been a little unlucky. You lose 4 games each by 1, they can turn that around. Bucks in an entirely different league.
Re: Gotsoccer pointsYeah, not so much a big deal - until you realize you did not get into a desired event because of your low standingTough staying home
9/18 3 3:09pmFC Crush has two very solid teams - their two teams are both very good and if combined would be one of the best in the area - you would have to give a little leg up to the NPL team but can appreciate that the club is about training/learning not just winning, so they try to keep parity withinMaybe change over time The northern NJ/NY corridor is littered with tons of talent so there isn't one dominant team
At some point you need a winning team to get the recognition and exposure for college. Some of this is about keeping more players paying the big bucks. It's funny when people talk about clubs and how important training is, when we all now it's about the money... When it's time to combine these teams, all the best players will go to PDA and WC, if they can make the ecnl or da and save money doing so.
its always about the money, you are correctI would agree that the best go to PDA, but I wouldn't agree to WC. If WC is getting the best players, why are they struggling to win on the girls side when there is so much talent in the northern NJ/NY area? The best players are at Maximus, FC Crush, NYSC, Clarkstown, SDFC and yes some at WC. Maybe when the DA starts it will change, but even that i would argue since many girls want to play for their HS and focus on the college path more then playing pro soccer on the women's side.
Edp looks like a sad league too, with a few teams like the BUCKS. Don't these coaches know how bad these teams really are?
At this age, MF has the second best team in the state as they do at almost every age U14 and above. This will be proven out as the year progresses.
Beauty of playing in ECNL is that you dont have to prove anything. You are already in ECNL. Being in a state with 2 ECNL clubs makes MF a de facto 2nd best team in the state for life. Luckily they wont have to play any other competition,
6:17pm. Spoken like a true MF parent. As 9:10am points out, they will never be able to prove it unless they stumble across another NJ team at a tournament....
MF record this season. Played 5, lost 4, won 1. But 2nd best in the State apparently.
State cup brackets are out. Somehow put all top teams in bottom half to fight it out.Nice chance for someone to make it big in top half....
#true about the NJ state cuphttp://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=55334&Gender=Girls&Age=14just the crush teams and copa in top half.
I just looked at the flights for the upcoming EDP Columbus Day Tournament for U14.... What a joke!! All these supposed "Good Teams", playing soft just to get GS points. Looks like a lot of teams need those soft wins so they can keep charging big fees year to year. Wake up people, you might as well take that money and flush it.
How did the mighty SDFC place so low in the Fall EDP Tournament. The number 2 team only one tier above their B team. Region 1 Champions league. Really seems unfair to the teams in that bracket. I guess those got soccer points are more important than playing up to your potential. What a joke and total waste of money.
Totally agree that all tournament brackets are totally out of whack, but from what I recall SDFC (in its early stages) likes to work out its kinks by dominating all other teams. Perhaps it's a strategy?They played some tough teams at Stars, and not they need to get back on the tiki-taka style they like to play. Hard to get it going against tough competition.
MF is far from second best team in NJ.
2nd best ECNL team in NJ by far!
Looks like they had a rough trip yesterday. 8 hours to get a beat down by a team from buffalo... Maybe they are the second best team in NY too.
I would think with the age change and DA coming a lot of players make the change at u15. MF definitely has some good players but are not yet a complete team. I would expect that to change drastically next year.
Not sure, they have a terrible reputation going back years. Nothing to do with the players or parents, just the organization. But they should pick up all the kids that don't make PDA DA and want that avenue.
I saw on another message board that Sereno, Mustang FC, and Matchfit have pulled out of the girls DA. There were links showing the first two dropping out but I didn't see anything about Matchfit, so I'm not sure it's true. http://www.socalsoccer.com/threads/girls-development-academy.6/page-49
Dum de dum. Those are clubs who dropped out of the Boys DA.
PDA has the three best teams in the state. I know MFA took a beating this week, but I would bet they are in that next group if not at the top.
the letter from sereno soccer club on the board mentioned above was from sept-20 and they were saying they are pulling out from girls DA for very specific reasons/staying ecnl.same with mustang:> USSDA Academy (US Soccer Academy League / Boys Only / Mustang no longer is a participant)http://www.mustangsoccer.com/competitive/index_E.html?1474914823there was no real proof of match fit pull out. but based on the match fit philosophy (dog-eat-dog, compete to make minutes on a team, move players frequently) an idea of a fixed mixed team, that would further drain resources from an unprepared ecnl side - makes perfect sense - but i hope it aint true
Just hope da is a little cheaper with less silly travel then ECNL.. (and that my player can get in of course). IF not, whaat's the point, it will be the same as what we have now.
DA is about 70% more than ECNL, full freight.
1118 - where does that figure come from? Are you saying just the fees alone could be Over 5k. 3,000 + 70%. Then another 70% on top of current travel and other cost? Are they really going to practice 4 days a week? How are these clubs going to find field time for all these teams to practice so much, when they also have so many other teams still in need of fields? i have a son playing DA now and it's brutal getting fields.
Not this age group. but at the older age groups, Cedar Stars said their NJ Da will be fee free for girls. So I guess just the travel costs.
DA costs are right around 5K. There will be some subsidies, but I would guess many players will still pay the full freight. The 5K makes sense with 100% more training IMO. Of the top 50 kids in the state at all ages, my guess is more than 50% pass on the DA. For a club to fund the entire cost before travel for a Girls DA would be about 400K per year. Cedar Stars could do that if they choose to. They have the big money behind them. DA takes way too much commitment, won't be for everyone.
I agree with 3:53 about a lot of kids opting out of the DA. There is no pro path, which is really the benefit on the boys side. We'll get one extra practice per week versus the current ECNL schedule and it appears that the cost for the year will ensure that the extra practice is paid for by the parents. High school won't be an option. I know my kid has enjoyed playing with her friends for school but she says this wouldn't stop her from going DA. The main thing is what will happen with combined birth years. Would you really want to be a younger age group in a two year band and end up as the 20-30th player on the roster? There are less games and pro substitution rules, which means 14 players can play maximum in a game. I can't see many kids liking this. I wonder if the DA clubs will run a Pre-DA team for the younger age group to ensure kids are playing. I know Continental has done that for the younger kids on the boys side. Either way, I am struggling to see a lot of benefit of adding an extra practice.
The only good thing about the DA is getting rid of the lazy coaches at PDA. They roster to many because they can. They practice very little and play in a few tournaments and only ecnl events. They never go above and beyond, because there are no better options.
Agree with previous poster about multiple trainings per week and field time. We can only practice twice a week at PDA and every field is packed and usually two teams per field. and I know WC has same issue.
What if a significant portion of top talent does not go DA because of cost, time, school sports, distance, etc.? Will those that are in the DA still be presumed to be the best because they carry the DA brand? How will anyone know that DA is in fact the best? Will its teams venture out to play others? As an analogy, is FC Bucks presumed to be an elite team just because it plays in the ECNL?
12:56 - I think it is much more likely that this happens; that the DA actually further dilutes the talent pool between DA, ECNL, and NPL. We can only be sure that the DA will cost the club more to support, and if they are losing membership as a result, they will drop it. It seems likely that the cost will remain high, so I really do not see any benefits over ECNL.
The current choices are equally exclusionary in terms of distance, cost and time right now. Perhaps the fee free choice will be able to serve some of those talented players struggling with the financial costs. The Da will not include that many players so I think all these leagues can survive in some form. If not, the market will have spoken.
Is there really a marketplace in US Women's soccer for DA? From my experience a lot of parents seek "winning (x2), prestige and playing-up" as symbols of club where they would wish their kids to play. DA seems to go against that grain. I wish DA was a supplemental program that worked along clubs.
There is a big market for it in the upper middle class bubble. That is why it exists.
Why are EDP Cup having finals and 3rd/4th playoffs on the Monday?
For the same reason WAGS finals are on Monday, it's a holiday for many and field use can be spread out (or there is more hotel use if you are a cynic).
EDP Cup gives teams the option for 2 day or 3 day as some schools are not off on Columbus Monday. That's why all the brackets seemed screwed up with good teams in lower brackets, because it was split 3 day then 2 day.
Is brentwood/atletico the old ISA team? They seem to be putting on some impressive games these days.
8:15am. What impressive games are you talking about? Them losing to Clarkstown, SUSA, SDFC, HMMS, South Shore since the start of the Season? Or them winning against the NYSC B team, Princeton, Manhattan, East Islip and Baltimore?
the same. brentwood was so bad last year, so im impressed they are putting up wins and seem to be playing close games..btw. whats the nysc hierarchy?
Not sure what the shout is for, arsenal placed third in a average bracket. Keep in mind, when the the girls from high school come back in late fall and spring, then you will see some really tough teams playing.
I think you are lost, parent whose daughter used to play for Maximus.They are playing U15
That could be about 30 kids..
How is EDP going to handle final placement given they had to bail on the 2nd day of matches? Any reason more top teams didn't show up to EDP?
12:01pm. No points get awarded when tournaments get cancelled due to weather
Pda probably would have won, not that they are so good, just no comp. and they don't care about or need points.
I had clarkstown as a favorite to win! PDA not in this bracket
So MF has horrible teams at every level and now they have lost their DA status. This club is done, sad.
They declined DA. It wasnt taken from them.
any idea why a club would decline DA if they were accepted?
The cost of the DA all in is close to 6K per kid not including travel which is easily another 4k. MFA does not have deep pockets, it's a player funded not for profit and I do not think they thought they could find 75 kids who were DA caliber, who would be able to make the commitment and be willing to pay. The commitment is huge, 4 days per week, no other sports, no HS soccer. I am sure they talked to a lot of kids who would be interested and the response was lukewarm. Think of the poor parents. Wait until you see the scores of some of these DA games, half the clubs will bail as soon as they can is my guess. There is good news, nobody has to go to buffalo, they put the WNY Flash in a league that goes to Illinois.Remember for MFA, they are rebuilding their club after relocating the ECNL teams to Denville. this would have been an ambitious endeavor.
The other side for MFA is that they frankly don't have 20 kids in the club who would be interested in the DA, who are DA caliber. They would have to recruit 50-60 kids, not realistic and not something anyone there wanted to do. If they have been in Denville for 3-5 years, may have been more likely. The older kids have very little interest in the DA.
MFA still struggling with ECNL in most age groups, and they like to move players between teams throughout the season. So taking top 11 players from each age group and "locking them in" for a DA team would totally destroy their other ability to compete in other leagues as well as the carrot/stick mentality of moving players.
The only ECNL teams playing right now are U14. Last years teams were all good, none struggled. How are they struggling in all age groups?
Your points all make sense (not 100% agreement) but I wonder why they initially applied to begin with, they had DA on the boys side so knew what, at the very least, what it was about. I highly doubt (could be wrong of course) That USSF would change the format for GDA.I think their dilemma could be said for almost all the ECNL teams except maybe for the ones that have the financial backing of a pro club or private investor.Eventually with ECNL or GDA one will dilute the other too much and only one will prevail. Then there will be some very good soccer players without teams to play on and then those players will be fighting to get into that one league that wins.....then back to where we started. Unbelievable that these 2 organizations could not get together and simply create another division within the current structure that teams COULD enter into if they wanted without another complete new setup. Way too many chiefs getting/involved in US soccer for us to develop consistently as a nation.
Maybe they sold their rights (unreported under the table) to CEDAR
Cedars stars is building their headquarters in Tinton Falls I beleive, so thats in that freehold area if im not mistaken. Seems like Cedar stars will be strong competitive to PDA. Both have big money owners who will spend like crazy to build out their club. Cedar stars is maybe more innovative and has more current trainers.
MF pulling out of DA for "Player Developmental Reasons". What a load of nonsense. I presume that is their stance after the Girls DA told the 03 ECNL team that right now they're the face of MF ECNL and their performances aren't good enough in ECNL as they've lost every game?? All about development over there.
** Girls DOC not Girls DA. Oops
Cedar Stars better hope for a huge turnout at tryouts for their DA. CSA needs to offer free tuition for GDA for all age groups in order to make it attractive. CSA has something good here, let's see if they blow it.
Hearing cedar stars complete mess.
MFA 2003 group has had some injuries, and depth is a problem. But grow up. You seem like you're in 8th grade, which I guess could be possible. 2003 group is better than their record. Let's see how they do this weekend.
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