Does anyone know if there was a January us training center in PA? If so, where? Wonder if snow canceled?
The US training center to be held by Penn Fusion tomorrow night was canceled for the month of January due to snow.
9:30 and 9:31The blog "rules" specifically ask posters not to eference specific players so how about everyone stick with that and call it a day.Administrator, please remove all posts referencing players!
10:27,9:30 here. Didn't reference any player. Did I? Only asked why a kid would know about this blog? Certainly not dinner table convo.
9:30, no you didn't but both of you implied that it's a child's fault for reading or for being thin skinned rather than acknowledging the fact that identifying players is wrong in the first place
Here's some facts 11:21. Never implied any kid is thin skinned. Never pointed out any kid at all. I did however imply that a kid should not be reading this blog. No reason they should even know about it unless parents are discussing it in front of them. This blog is nothing but opinions from a bunch of nobody's. Occasional good information for parents but more times than not it's simply BS. Never have I read a post on here that made me think "oh hey now. That's good stuff! Suzy must read this." Never. Not once.9:30
you avoid the topic of disparaging children regardless of the reader. hiding behind semantics
The 'best' ECNL club is the one where you train, develop, and get plenty of playing time. Try out for them all. They should have quality coaching. If you are not being told what kind of playing time to expect at one club, ask the others.Above all, your kid needs to play in order to develop.Playing 1/2 a game and winning trophies might seem like a good time, but playing 3/4 of a game and not winning as much, offers much more experience. In a 32 game season (22 regular season games for ECNL + some 10 odd games for tournaments), one player gets the equivalent of 16 full games, while the other gets 24 full games. That is a huge difference.Avoid burnout situations where there is constant pressure to win. Avoid toxic environments. Why drive a long distance if your kid does not enjoy training/playing with a particular set of players?Do your homework.
813: ECNL is for the well off parents, with travel to practices and amount of $$$ spent on away games on top of tuition so it's not for everyone, I'll admit it one the ECNL clubs were less than 1 hour away I would consider it. Sometimes just being on a good quality team is just as worth it in the long run. Will my daughter get looked at one of the Top 25 school probably not but if she wants to play college I'm sure she will. Not a big GS fan but let's face facts it helps will at least identifying the top teams in the area and must have good players on it.
I'm on an ecnl team and far from well off. I know of at least 5 others on the team that struggle to make this work, but it is our decision. To make a blanket statement that ecnl is for the well off is complete crap. I have another daughter on a team that actually cost us more than ecnl and we struggle to make that work too. There are people on our team that drive to tournaments that most fly too and share hotel rooms to help reduce cost. The people on the ecnl team are very similar to any other high level team - committed - but not all wealthy.
I appreciate that you struggle to participate but that just supports the observation that ECNL teams are not really well designed for families like yours. An airline journey or thousand mile car excursion to play youth soccer? That is a budgetary struggle beyond possible for many families regardless o the talent of their player.
ECNL does not start until U14.
126 is correct! Wait until every year after this year the mileage on your car trips will expand even more, for all those currently on pre-ECNL just look at where your club's U15-U18 have traveled so far and it's not even spring yet. I kind of agree with the Well Off statement but that's by parent's choice, I think that poster is more referring to the middle/upper class of families. I know for a fact it's difficult to be on a ECNL squad coming from a lower class family as they will struggle without donation support. That's why it's not for everyone and look forward to US Soccer adding a DA to battle to lead the forefront of Girls soccer.
So, where does the club state that every parent has to attend every ECNL event? This is exactly the reason why the focus needs to be on development and having a nurturing environment around you.Show me a player who isn't going to make it and I'll show you a player who looks over at their parents every time they think they made a mistake.
150 So what your saying is it's ok to skip an ECNL event or any games if the parent chooses too if they are with an ECNL club. Sorry it's not in the writing but it will be after you are shown the door to bring another player on that can attend. Yes I seen players skipping for other obligations(School, US Soccer, Other sports Etc.) but not because affordability come on don't be Naïve. Plus a coach would question why even sign up if you cannot attend there is a business side no matter how you look at it.
Look at the amount of travel and commitment teams like rage, sdfc, Rush, sta and many others made just last year. You can't tell me that these teams don't spend way more than PDA teams. Is everyone of them well off? They have to be according to above. PDA went to one travel tournament last year. Most of these teams went to 5 and a bunch more locally that cost money. If you are on a rec team and stay local, I get it. But what about the other top 15 clubs that spend equal to PDA from development to travel? Are they all rich assholes too? What about the 1000's of teams that travel all over to places like Disney and Jeff cup and 90 percent are not ecnl. What is the difference? Go look at teams like sdfc, sta, crush and tsf and see how much they cost and what you get.
I have seen many kids not be able to attend events because of money. And no one has ever been shown the door, just the opposite. The club and other parents do what they can when they can. I'm not with an ecnl club and I know we all spend to much on this crazy sport. To call the ecnl people out is just being hypocritical for most of us.
I looked at the trips made by teams like Rage, SDFC, Rush, STA, as well as other top Region I teams in 2015. In most cases it appears that the travel was confined to a 2 hour drive radius, which could be accomplished through day trips rather than overnights. Rage made three trips that more than likely required an overnight: Bethesda, FC Stars, and Jeff Cup. All of their other events could have been attended through day trips, although somewhat inconvenient to do so. For the most part, the biggest trip for most teams was Jeff Cup. I suspect, to a certain extent, the families consider these road trips mini-vacations or getaways. Although, I admit, that even long day trips can be taxing on larger families with competing demands or families of more limited means.
Hey 956 - you should send your note on to Mallory and tell her how ecnl clubs are only for the well off families. Can't wait for your response.
316 Someone already did that's why DA is coming for girls to compete against ECNL. Let's see who flocks to who then I'm sure many will jump on if it is free!
I know I would, but it's a long time away and they will f it up. I think Youncould end up ending spending more, because you will be chasing your kid all over the place to watch her play. They don't cover your cost. And it cost money to take off work and get her to practice. I'm good with it, but it's only a fraction of the overall cost. Mallory was lucky to be so well off....
Sdfc did 5 travel tournaments, two leagues, indoor training and several other tournaments. Why would you say ecnl is so much more? Even tsf cost more than MF and I know this for a fact. This is a great argument and I'm sure that there are many more expensive clubs than ecnl. I heard crush, tsf and sdfc all were higher. Not sure about sj, I know they have dad coaches that probably save some money, but we all know how that ends up eventually....
If and when the girls DA form i highly doubt it will be free. It will be probably be run at a hugely reduced rate, say $500 for a player for the full year. There just isn't enough money for it to be free unless the club raises the rates of the other teams to accommodate the free cost.On another note, what teams do you think in NJ will be worth attending tryouts for? Bare in mind most are 02s so you should be looking at Club with a current solid U14 and U13 team. Let's avoid ECNL as that topic has been discussed plenty already. I for one am interested in opinions of others.Clubs like SDFC for example have a good U13 team but an average U14 team. Whereas SJ Elite have a good U14 team but an average U13 team. Thoughts anyone?
I hate to admit it, but i really only trust that PDA will come out strong for sure next year. I hope there will be one or two others, but how do know? I would like to have another option to shoot for, but has to be mid to northern part of state or WC to keep within reason. My daughter is an 03 and very strong player that I believe will be good enough for any top 5 team. I assume PDA will lose more than half the team and 80 percent of their starters - so spots should be open. Who else? Help?
416PM - you looking for your daughter to stay with other 03's or would move up with 02 be an option????
I want to stay 03, if the club and team will compete for the long run, through high school recruitment years. I think an option will be to stay 02 with current team and wait it out till freshman year. The problem is that everyone is scarambling at this time, all the other club teams break up at this age and very few make the transition. I think it will be even be worse with the BYC.
I thought both PDA North teams were 50/50 split between '02's and 03's? Regardless, tryout season is going to be crazier than ever with everyone re-shuffling.
It is really exhausting reading this post and it is only about like 2% of all girls soccer at this age like no other teams in the state matter. There are so many other good teams/programs and instead of trying to create this elite category group of teams that just keep playing each other over and over, and those teams recruiting players from the middle of the pack town teams, they should really focus on a diverse product that is competitive throughout the state. And don't even get me started on the cost of all the BS EDP tournaments that do nothing but provide a high price tag for less games. If I was coaching, why would I want to spend $1000 on a tourney for 3 games. That is ludicrous. And the scary part is you all think you are elite soccer programs- yet no more special or talented than many town teams. Let's all go out and waste money for a name. And holy crap- I am so tired of not good enough British and Dutch players coming over and making a mockery of our youth soccer. I love listening to the kids make fun of them. So when did England last win the women's World Cup? Or Olympics? Yet there men come over here? Go ahead lost sheep and flock to all the nonsense and watch them continue to steal your money and feel free to blast this rant.
pearls of wisdom in the early hours of the am.
Let's hope she catches up on some sleep before she has a breakdown.
@233 I said 'parent' not player.Reading comprehension can be fun.
2:46am was up early. Did it ever occur to you that perhaps some of the foreign coaches you criticized were the ones who helped develop those players to play on the National team to win a World Cup? No need to tar everyone with the same brush. There are plenty of poor American coaches out there, and plenty of poor foreign coaches. Do your homework and don't join a team or club with a poor coach. Simple.
According to ecnl site - PDA G has 8 / 10 - 03 to 02 ratio. PDA C has 6 /12 - 03 to 02 ratio. They also have a few very good players below them, including a goalie in the NTC. Both age groups should be strong based on these numbers. How many starters on sdfc are 03? This may be a great option for another strong 03 team. They should merge with crush, tsf, sta -that would be a nice club and lots of great players merging. I have heard rush/rage will stay together and go 02 next year.
Seriously folks you know your an obsessed with this blog if your posting at 3am in the morning, even posting late at night or early morning is a little crazy to me. What do you people do wake up first thing in the morning to catch up on the drama. I'm happy with the club my daughter is at and doesn't matter how things will shape up come fall as it's going to take a year or so for everything to settle in with the BYC. Tryouts will once again be a bigger horse and pony show this time as many of the coach's for the top club teams already know who they want if they decide to come and join the club. I do like what PF is doing and think it's a great idea but I'm sure they will know players interested already and whom they want when tryout's come and I'm sure they have already been contacted by several parents as well, same goes for PDA and others. If your happy with the current coach just stay and wait it out a year but if your not then look to see mid-season next winter when things shake out. Just my opinion.Mr. Opinion!
Does Mr. Opinion get paid by PF to shill for them?Do your homework folks. Instead of paying money to go to arranged events, you can get permission from your coach to contact clubs and attend actual practices for free. Talk to the parents, talk to the kids, and you should be able to determine what the best path for your child is.Good luck.
12:53pm Yeah I bet Mr. Opinion's daughter is one of the mean kids on the team as well.But do agree with his/her statement as many of the coaches/parents already have feelers out. The play days are pre-tryouts. lol
What pay event? Are you talking about PF's player ID sessions?
administator, please remove the post at 1:27pm from the Continental FC parent as it again calls 13 year old girls "mean" and violates the boards rules of behavior
I thought the PF "mean girls " chased the girl away to PDA ?
How do you know that's a CFC parent?
First off, the whole PF to PDA "chasing off" was a u12 thing not u13. I don't want to open that back up because it's a discussion that shouldn't take place at all, but if it did, it should take place on the U12 board not this one. The CFC parent simply took that unrelated issue as an opportunity to swat at his daughter's age group at PF. He's targeting a player(s) that he's got a personal vendetta(s) against, which is sad because she's just a 12 or 13 year old. Sad really
I thought it has already been established that the player who left and went to PDA was a u12 playing up with the U13 at PF . Which then brought out the jealousy and nastiness in the other PF players .
Let's all go to PDA and/or PF!!!They must be the only clubs in the region.The parents must be very proud to make their claims on an anonymous board with zero accountability.Well done.
4:21I agree! There are plenty of clubs, teams, parents and players scrambling to navigate the upcoming changes. We don't want these changes resulting in personal attacks, especially on players by frustrated parents. The frustration is created US Soccer and should be directed towards them not little girls.
Does this CFC parent happen to be a former PF parent?
that would explain a lot wouldn't it?
449 Of course only way to get inside info than to be a former parent.
That guy creates more drama than any youth girls team combined hands down!!
So now PF is trying to throw other teams under the bus ! Way to keep it classy PF ! News Flash a lot of teams and their parents are aware of your toxic environment .
No. To clear it up.. PDA Galaxy 16 moved to PF last season I believe. Not the other way around.
That CFC Parent must be immature as to have against these 2 PF girls. They are both remarkable athletes and probably better than his own, as he is jealous.
Let's get back to informative things, as this blog was absent for a while and now back up. What is everyone's thoughts about Jeff Cup brackets and should be an interesting top bracket is loaded with great teams.
5:39 must be the Daddy of the average PF player.If she was as good as you're trying to convince yourself she is then she would be at PDA
6:09you're doing it again! dragging players back into it! you were exposed for attacking specific players. They have every right to defend themselves, so unless you want them to name you and your daughter personally, which it sounds like they can, I suggest you crawl awayno one other than you is acting out of line
Go away PF Daddy . This board has had enough of your BS!
sorry, arrogant child attacker. Just a soccer mom defending someone else's kid. I'm actually surprised no one else has had the willingness to do so. Bad people takeover only when good people do nothing.
PF dad? Shouldn't you be saying CFC dad? You should.
soccer is a world of acronyms so let's call him the CACFC dad and see who guesses the acronym
Try to keep it classy PF.
again, not a PF parent or a supporter just a soccer mom calling a cyber bullying adult out on his labeling of children by assigning him an appropriate label
7:00Coconut abusing continental FC dad, got it
6:09 Why even bother attacking a kid.. The two girls 16( PDA to PF) and 8 (SJEB to PF) are remarkable players and shouldn't be talked negatively about. They will both go far, and there is nothing your nasty mouth can do about it.
Child abusing Continental FC dad?
7:14 Agreed! Great players. Negative mouthing is not correct and will not change them as a player.
@ 7:15Confused anteater
6:07 6:09. YupReally it started by the envy and child attacking behavior of parents at the town team she left. She was attracting all the attention from PF at some PF sessions for outsiders. The other parents on her old team have been plotting a PF future for their much more marginal kid for some time. They went crazy with envy and fear of what their team would be if yet another player left. A backfired attempt to coerce her stay, to make their kids more marginal talents and team look better, made her leave earlier than planned (this teams and theses parents have pulled similar stunts in the recent past leaving them stuck in small sided land as they have too few to play 11 v 11). This led to an awkward situation at PF as to how to put a new player on the roster in the middle of the year. Surely, some were threatened and cool. Some won't include those outside their clique in plays and passes. others were known to her from past teams. Basically PF didn't feel any urgency in the middle of the winter to put her on the roster and waited too long. They were surprised when she didn't wait.Anyway morale of the story. Merit over manual tips in the long run.
Lol that auto correct. Merit over manipulation.
Omg what??? Is this the former PF now CFC? Or former PF now PDA?
What constitutes a town team? Please give an example of a PA town team?
This blog just shows how all you ECNL teams are pure evil, the only club I would consider is PDA and if my daughter doesn't make it there than she us staying put. All you other ECNL teams seem to be an absolute chaotic mess.
7:37I think everyone got confused by a story that started on the U12 blog about a U12 player that left a PA town team and tried training with a PF u12 and/or a PF u13 team during the fall/winter months. That player was never actually on a PF team but was "feeling things out" at training sessions. That player ended up going to PDA Lyon(we think)and not a PF team.The CFC dad used that entire unrelated drama and spun it into a story about a few current U13 PF players that he has an unhealthy vendetta against. That's why he's been labelled as a "Child-Attacking-CFC" dad.Soccer mom
7:37, I completely agree but you could only have figured that out if you read the U12 blog before the posts were deleted. I just re-read your post and it's spot on. The PA town team started the drama on the U12 board and CACFC dad brought it onto the U13 board.
Agree it's the '03 parents looking at both blogs and attacking and posting kids #'s on here. I can forsee many disgruntled parents come after May 's tryouts.
All the drama started when one mom started bragging about her own daughter moving to PDA u12 as an amazing new striker who was playing up for some pa club. When she was called out she admitted being from PF and then went on to blaim other girls on the team for her daughters problem. When you come on a blog and start bragging about a single player, who is new to a team, you know that is a parent. This parent then went on and accused other kids, teams, clubs and coaches for her problems. But again, it all stared with het post about her amazing striker.
At least she got the blog talking again. lolCan't blame her for expressing herself though.
With respect to the “Town Team” question above, which is a good one, “Town Team” is a term not often used in PA, MD or points south. The term likely originated in baseball where amateur teams represented specific geographic areas and players were restricted to playing for teams where they lived (see Little League Baseball rules). A good explanation of town team soccer can be found at http://www.massclubsoccer.com/town-or-club-soccer/In general, I believe a town team is a team that is a community based team that may be affiliated with or otherwise directly or indirectly supported by a specific municipality, school district, or consortium of municipalities, or has a geographic relationship with those entities. Preference for roster positions may be given to residents of the municipality and registration fees may be reduced for residents, or non-residents pay a premium. However, these residency restrictions are becoming less used. Traditionally, a town team played locally and did not travel like a club team. I believe that Lower Merion, Upper Dublin, and Rose Tree might be examples of “town teams” in PA. Parkland, Penn Legacy and HMMS are clubs that appear to have grown from a town team model. All the clubs named here serve as a feeder system of sorts for a local public high school and perhaps a sister parochial school.
@ 8:02: Once again, I'm not the parent of the child. You sound like the same deusiona parent who got bent out of shape on the u-12 blog because people were discussing the movement of a promising striker. Has it ever occurred to you that she may just be that good? If you look back through the u12 blog it is apparent that MANY different voices seem to know a lot about this girl, people who may or may not have a personal interest in her. Instead of being defensive and downplaying this child with any chance you get, maybe you should do you homework as to why she, as well as both of the girls mentioned earlier (SJEB to PF and PDA to PF) have already come across the radar of collegiate coaches. Your indignation highlights your feelings of inferiority. Not everyone's child is as good as the three "golden children" that have been so heavily talked about over the past few days. Regardless of your opinions on behavior, they are three of the most dominant players in the area. So take a cue from some of the mature posters on this board and either respect the talent at hand or make an educated assessment as to why they are not good...which would come from personal experience or exposure with the girls, not hearsay. Don't just badmouth children because you are threatened by their talent. You and every other person on this blog are better than that.
8:07 Thanks for the background, but doubt it was the mom. It’s her original bitter, crazy team’s modus operandi. Looks like they wanted to get a conversation going about her path to PDA to make it look like she is difficult and unreliable, the parents are crazy. The deleted u12 posts come right out and say it.When a kid is about to move on to better things, this team starts harassing them, so that they leave early. The sudden movement causes some hiccups and some move again soon. Then the sad left behinds spread rumors about the whole course of events they just caused to try to undermine the kids and their families going forward. This has happened three times in the course of few months and the coach even got in trouble with police for his part. The culpable parents have no clue everyone is on to them.
BYC hasn't occurred yet so all you U12 parents need to go back to the U12 blog.This blog has been silent but very informative when posters decided to post things, and then all of sudden you U12 parents un-heartedly started pointing out players which began having a few respected clubs to call out each other. You have a rude awaking trying to jump from U12 to U14next year.
The mature posters o this board don't post anything about specific children ever, no matter if they are the second coming of Carli LLoyd or not. Period.
Any opinions about PF club management? They lost a different, very good striker last year for similar reasons – simply not responsive. Then another this year. I have heard others say they don’t get back to people. Their ID sessions for 03 are both on the same days as 03 ODP events – not a great choice of dates IMHO. Is their organization or lack thereof a draw back?
If the players that moved are so good, why did they move to level teams and or age groups?
Odp is a joke
@1155 - did you mean lower level?
One could make the argument that ECNL training > ODP training.Especially if the level of talent on your ECNL team is better than the ODP pool, which can be 36 kids and somewhat diluted.Players move for many different reasons. Playing 1/2 a game at one year up may not be as developmentally sound as playing 3/4 to a full game at your own age. You go where you are wanted.
It is not ENCL training, it's just a look and see. And for kids not yet old enough for ENCL, most will be in ODP.Not to stir up rivalries, but PDA is hardly a lower level. Higher age groups are also not lower.
How many players from PF are on going to the NTC? if you live in south jersey and play for a pa team, do you attend the pa or nj - NTC?I agree that ODP is not worth the time and money anymore. Although it sounds good for new soccer parents, especially when talking to their friends and family. I hear it all the time and think to myself, okay she is average at best.
The 02 birth year has several PF players ongoing at the NTC. I believe you would attend the training center in the state your club is in regardless of the state you reside in. Correct me if anyone knows different.
I know a number of jersey girls playing in PA who attend NTC in NJ
Guess it doesn't matter. One NTC is the same as the rest in the end. All the US coaches/evaluators whoattend them know what they are looking for and who has it. Hard part for many parents is child not getting an invite back and not knowing why exactly.
Have any clubs put forth an ideas about what the 2002 birth year 7th graders have for options in the fall? Our club has communicated on the birth year and field changes but did not mention anything on this. I am curious because my kid will be in the same spot next year.
3:44 great question that hasn't been addressed by anyone yet!
The 7th grade girls will get a lot of practice time and a bunch of festivals. The ECNL clubs have talked about putting together 7v7 festivals and maybe even combining teams geographically for tournaments. At least that's what one club wants to do.
4:19, I have heard that. My club however did not mention that. What I did hear today is that NJ may get rid of of freshman HS soccer which pushes U15 to a fall game.
USA soccer does not care about whether kids play on their school teams or in college. Under the system USA soccer has created, all USA soccer cares about is finding the top, super elite soccer player, which is maybe 20 kids nation wide per age group. The rest of our kids are just there to create a pool of players for USA soccer to draw from. The best female athletes in the US play soccer so there is a real talent pool to draw from. The best male athletes do not play soccer so the men's program will continue to flounder until that changes, regardless of the talent development system or level of coaching. I fail to see how any of the changes being imposed will attract the best athletes, male or female, to the game.
Glenn Crooks is tweeting that "I learned Girls DA will follow Boys DA model - members will NOT be permitted to play high school soccer."I just hope they do not have too many DAs. Maybe one for Jersey, one for PA. Any more than that, and the talent will be diluted and kids that should be getting the advantages of high school soccer will be skipping to sit the bench and be practice players for the DA. Thats exactly what has happened with the boys DA.If they have the same number of DAs as ECNL... college recruiters will predominately only recruit the DA and girls will feel forced into choosing DA. Also I understand that serious players will go single sport at some point. Ideally maybe around 14-yrs? If the DA begins too young, girls could be specializing too early... leading to burnout.I know US Soccer could give a rats-ass about the kids that burn-out or get injured and regret not be more diversified. - they are only looking for the few that dont.
7:51am. Best post i have read on here in a long time. US Soccer only cares about the true Elite player, which at most would be 2 maybe 3 players (optimistic odds) in NJ each birth year. How thing became a good idea to them is still beyond me. And that they have not came up with solutions to the 2 huge problems (Freshman and Senior year) they've created.
IMO....the DA girls idea makes no sense at all. It took years to build up the ECNL program which is the DA for girls. Why not just change the ECNL brand to DA ?
The plan is to have 50-70 DA teams.My guess is around North jersey/central jersey area it will only be PDA & WC....with an outside shot for Cedar Stars Academy even though the girls program isn't built up at a higher level, they will grow it fast.
US soccer only seems to care about the elite players with $$$$. Talent and no cash is of little interest.
That is largely true for the ECNL. It remains to be seen if the DA will try to serve any of the lower income talent.
Why would it not go to club with at least a semi pro team if there are no pro teams? I thought it was geared toward potential pro players?
Sky Blue semi pro DA team would be pretty cool
50-70 DA teams is too many. This is not in our children's best interest. My fear is my daughter who loves soccer soooo much and practices all most everyday, wants the very best soccer environment so she chooses DA and forgoes high school sports (and all other high school activities). She does fine in the DA until she gets injured. She has no activities on her college app - because she only had time for club. She doesn't play in college because of her injury. She greatly regrets missing high school activities because the DA didnt pay off in her case. I know US Soccer is willing to take this risk with the 2000-3000 girls (50-teams x 3-teams per club x 18-player/team) that will play DA each yr. But IT'S NOT THEIR KID!
@9:06Then you don't put her in DA. Your choice and your child's choice. Nobody has a gun to your head. Not sure what that has to do with 50-70 DA teams. Around 1200 girls. Not really sure how that is a lot for the entire country of 320 M people. There might be only 1-2 teams within 2 hours from you.
I do think it's funny how people are making such a huge deal of this. It is a choice. Let your child choose which path she would prefer to take and relax.
Right now there are 6 boys DA's within 2-hours from me - I'm near YSC Sports in PA:-Philly Union-Continental FC Delco-PA Classics-Lehigh Valley-PDA-NJCSAIf there are only 2, maybe 3 girls DA teams - fine. But I think there will be more ... with many players offered roster spots that are not truly elite. Its hard to know where you will stand and if its worth it ahead of time.
DA is not going to just hand out roster spots to anyone!
You better be able to pay for it!
We don't know anything yet, money factor included. Just relax!!
This DA thing is actually pretty sad. How many girls are really going to make the national team? There really is no pro path for women since not enough money is generated to support the pro level. I see families struggle to pay for these programs and make such crazy commitments, to the point the girls miss their youth. Parents drive this craziness because they get caught up in the "elite" concept. at least ECNL, NPL, etc respect the child's opportunity to play in front of their peers in school. Playing school sports was a huge part of our youth and to not allow it bc the DA program says so, just awful. Peer value – there is something about being the star of your school in front of your peers. Your school mates will also be aware of her exploits in supporting her school and school spirit. She will be able to walk in the hallways with a sense of pride, which will only make her feel good about herself. Very important at this time in her life. Life development is overlooked.In the end, since the pool of national players is so small, there will be so much disappointment because some parents think their daughter is the next Carli Lloyd. If she is that good, she will be identified, no need for DA. That simple. ECNL, NPL or whatever league your in provides an opportunity for every level player. In the end, soccer should be looked at learning life lessons, learning to work hard, rewarded for putting the time, and discipline. Soccer should be used as a pathway to getting into a better college because that is what will benefit them more in the long wrong. get your priorities straight folks. The chances of even one player from NJ making the national team are small. Good luck in your endeavors but keep it real!
agreed, the DA program doesn't serve the kids, it serves the program!Imagine your daughter makes the DA only to find out they made the practice squad - good times
Some of the talented kids that are shut out in the current system are the one that maybe could take advantage of a DAP program if it aims to control out of control costs.
Look DA has not made the boys side better internationally right? So why do they think it will make the girls side better than it is already. Do other sports pull kids out of HS sports NO! I think Soccer in America is going in the wrong direction to accommodate national players v just working on getting kids interested to continue playing even into their college years. That's when US Soccer should be looking at more closely and recruit from is the College players do not worry about boys/girls at 12-18 years old. Those college players the put their time in for 4 years to make it to Finals Fours and so on deserve to placed in a larger pool and select the national players from their.
It is claimed that the boys DA serves a wider diversity of talent than was served before it existed. If the girl's side can accomplish that, then it has value.
The boys DA from MLS Clubs is basically free. The clubs pay for it as an investment. For example, current Red Bulls player Matt Miazga that came up through their academy is rumored to be sold to Chelsea for $5 million. 75% of the $5 million will go to the Red Bulls.That financial incentive does not exist for Girls. Do you think the Red Bulls will sponsor a girls DA out of the kindness of their hearts? More likely, US Soccer will provide scholarships to a few players on each team. Its an improvement, but they wont be able to provide what they do on the boys side.
Improvement is better than no improvement.
Well said, 11:04.Environment is so key for continuing their love for the game after high school. Humblebragging about trophy lists is not.
@11:42If the boys DA has teams in PA Classics and Lehigh Valley that are not supported by MLS clubs, how do they manage? These clubs have hundreds of kids in their programs. How would you know if they are being charged an extra $100? For 500 players, that's $50,000, which basically gets you halfway there to funding 36 players. Wouldn't you pay 50% of the costs of an ECNL club to play for the DA?
11:31 Some European clubs do not start competitive youth play until they are 16.
@951They may be two hours for you, but they are actually rather well positioned.PAC is located out west in the Harrisburg/Lancaster area.LVU is up north in the Allentown area.FC Delco is right in your backyard at YSC.Union is to the south.PDA and NJCSA are to the East.Four hours in the car might not be the choice for everyone.But, do what you have to do.
Are MLS youth programs, such as Red Bulls Academy, involved. Four hours drive is out of the question.
Don't forget Philly Union Jr's and the new NY MLS team. I'm sure they will want a piece of the pie if it's a pay to play concept.
Here is the problem with the boys DA. There are really 3 tiers, MLS clubs, super clubs like PDA, the rest. The MLS clubs are for profit entities and they can consider this an investment. The rest struggle, and do not pay the full freight. The girls DA is going to be a problem unless the Federation finances the entire thing, which they will never do unless someone like Nike steps up with huge money. All the NWSL clubs will have Academies and because the NWSL is subsidized by US Soccer, they will subsidize the academy. Details very soon, within days. I do not see the MLS clubs being involved with the girls DA, but who knows. Really kind of sad that this is mostly about power and not the kids. Par for the course with soccer. Took a game that you just need a ball and made it a game that costs thousands to play.
Maybe the MLS clubs will get involved with the girl's DAP and with funding it. Would that increase fan support for the MLS clubs?
Where did everyone go?
Starting to see tryout information on websites. Earliest I see is PF's Player ID sessions starting this weekend. Anyone going? I expect this will be a big turnout with lots of curious parents.
@1:47 Yes that has been posted before and has been talked about already thanks for promoting your club again and reminding us.
God forbid anyone get some conversation started on this boring ass blog. Not all of us live on here like I guess you do. My apologies.
Not going to PF. ODP training on Sunday, with Virginia friendlies coming up in two more weeks.But, good luck with those trophies....
What trophies are you talking about?Just because PF is ahead of the game, you shouldn't criticize.Don't be jealous of success.
ODP that's hilarious. Save your money ! Its a joke that they even exist.
Trophies? What are you even talking about? Almost anyone can make ODP these days. You probably doubt your kids chances at ECNL so in that case yes you should go to ODP.
Haha criticize ODP isn't it funny as their are several PF players recognized for being on ODP. Don't mock anything PF is doing the right thing by getting an understanding of their tryout numbers.
It's called smart! I'm sure other clubs will attempt to do the same.
ODP generally has several conflicts with ECNL spring schedule.PF has 3 players on the 03 region 1 ODP team.They will most likely be playing 02 next season, so they need to restock.
Do these clubs really get tryout numbers at the open training sessions? I think it's more like the club trying out for the players. I know of many who plan to attend open sessions with no real plans to attend tryouts.
"Unless Nike funds the whole thing....."With the price of the shoes and clothing we buy..............Good Lord....least they could do.
If Nike funds a girl's DA I will take back a lot of the stuff I say to my kids about Nike.
Stop with the DA stuff, same time last year this blog was all about the Birth Year changes until something is announce with details then all these assumptions are pre-mature. Can you step back and talk about Jeff Cup?
ODP numbers have been dropping along with the talent level . It's good for some extra training and nothing more . Certainly nothing to be bragging about .
The DA stuff is actually interesting. Do we have to listen to rattling on about this bracket or that bracket?
i agree, DA talk more interesting
@3:25 I agree their is nothing really to talk about with DA stuff until more information is given. As for Jeff Cup I see a Galaxy v NJ Rush rematch for the top bracket. PF clearly will win second bracket, while I think SDFC will take 3rd. All in All it will be a good showing for NJ teams.
359 As for the U12 bloggers on here PDA Lyon will come out of the Top bracket of U12.
Please back to DA or birth year or FIFA or something, anything other than this team or that team.
Ok PDA...rather than this team or that team tell us this since PDA is quality club and it would be interesting to know the following,What is their opinion on the girl's DAP?How will teams be placed in divisions next fall when many are composed of approximately half new players?For the 04 girl's, do they agree with the move to 11 v 11 at that age?It would be interesting to know a top clubs take on some of these issues.
Penn Fusion Birth Year ID Event2003 birth yearFeb 7 and Feb 28RSVP
Penn Fusion Birth Year ID Event2003 birth yearFeb 7 and Feb 28RSVP
PF Thanks for the marketing once again! You still will not be able to compete a powerhouse like PDA. Which doesn't need to market at all.
5:12 04's should be 9v9. But I'm not PDA and have no idea what their opinion is on the matter. also.... tryouts should be in october/november. And season should run Spring, Summer Fall. That would solve the whole 04 9v9 issue because no longer would the season be split between two years. Of course many would find fault in that idea, despite it making logical sense.
Never made much sense that April/May tryouts are for August practice times leading into fall season.Tryouts should be after Memorial Day, when every team has essentially completed their final tournament for the season.I could not believe when I heard that players leaving a club would not be allowed to play in their Memorial Day tournament.
Thx again for the marketing post.
Can't make the PF ID event. When are the Lady Bugs holding their ID event?
It is ridiculous when tryouts are. It puts coaches, parents , and worst of all the girls in a really uncomfortable situation. You want to do the right thing and let your current coach know what you are planning on doing , whether its going to another clubs tryout or play day. But doing that puts everyone in a cruddy position. Kids start treating each other differently , parents think the coach is plotting against them. Its really unfortunate. Previous post was correct. Tryouts should be after the Spring season is over. Give the clubs two to three weeks in June and be done with it. Bottom line is its a business and these clubs don't give a crap about we think.
Totally agree. It's how it's done at Clubs like FCV. Late May-June. Player I know who moved clubs last year was treated exactly how the previous poster mentioned. Player was treated like crap after people found out! Ridiculous. No player or family should have to answer toanyone else about a personal decision regarding a choice like that. Be as upfront as possible with the coach if they have earned that respect but other than that it's no ones business. Hopefully this region will follow the example of others and push these tryouts back in the future.
Imho it does not pay to be up front with a coach once you have decided to leave. Most coaches are too immature and take it personally. If you like watching your kid on the bench getting stink eye go for it. Even the nice coaches get their ego damaged by a decent player leaving them. When all they should care about is if it is a good developmental move for the kids.
Sad but true. Worse are the ones that try to slander the kid going forward. Left behind parents get into it too.
Thanks 9:28. We get it. It's ok to stop.
Instead of endlessly posting, why doesn't the club send out emails letting everyone know the times have changed? wonder how many will show up at the wrong place and time this weekend find no one there and never come back.
PF is the only club that has a vision for these upcoming changes. How come there are no other Birth Year ID training sessions out there? Give some credit where credit is due.
10:41 There are you just need to research each club. PF is the only one's marketing on this blog as many know their are many PF parents on here. I do give them credit though.
Who else is running these?
http://www.pdasoccer.org/pdaprograms/576154.htmlPDA has winter clinics for non-PDA players.http://www.sjeb.org/dthttp://www.sjeb.org/page/show/1223176-skills-skoolSJEB has club neutral, supplemental training.http://www.continentalfc.org/Talent/index_E.htmlhttp://www.continentalfc.org/Programs/IDA/index_E.htmlContinental FC has Birth Year Talent ID games.FC Philly, LVU, and many others offer supplemental training.You just have to look for it. Do your homework.
Anyone else think 10:41, 10:45, and 10:48 are the same person???? 8)
11:14 Agree I think many of the same blogs come from the same person or group of parents acting in part with team. Going to be interesting spring. I see a lot of hostility from the parent sidelines as well.
I am 10:48 and that was my only post so....
I'm 10:45 and that was my only post, yes there a lot of PF on lookers here.
I'm 10:41 and it's really hard to keep track of the times on all these messages and space them out properly. A little latitude, please....
1045 - I wouldn't admit it if I were you.
3:45 I'll admit your 15 of the last 20 blogs on here.
Does it matter people??? No good topics today huh?
I got a good topic did any leagues/clubs decide on the 02's entering 8th grade. Will there be a U15 fall league to play?
Jefferson Cup schedules are outSo who do you like to final in top 2 flights?
I heard JAGS not implementing the calendar year change until Fall 17'
Makes sense for jags to do this, a lot of teams won't be able or dont want the change right now. Leaves a option open.
PF is hardly the ONLY club looking at birth year players... I am sure most larger clubs have already started to have sessions with their 02's together already
Tell me one club that is not going to birth year? It's a mandate, not a suggestion.
In 2017 , next year. I'm sure there will be plenty, mostly lower level town type clubs and teams.
I'd like anyone who knows of any club or league that is waiting until 17/18 to post it.
Did anyone go to PF yesterday?
Mostly their own kids. Didn't want to include the outsiders.
1040 sorry you were disappointed but like a prior blogger posted it's a open play day to gauge numbers. Plus they have an idea of certain girls already and many of their girls were are PA's ODP session so their was room for outsiders to be seen. Either way it was a big turnout, I'm sure we'll see other comments on here.
Why do people on ecnl clubs go to ODP? arent you paying/playing enough?
Because in some states it still holds a lot of credibility go to any Top 10 college roster and research players profile you will see many have done it within their own state.
It looks good on your resume for when your ECNL team eventually replaces you at U15....
True. If player can list played at ECNL / ODP / NPL etc. Looks very good.Might need some burn cream for the 1239 comment. Boom.
11:26 AM ODP was after. It was a big turn out for the current players, as they were required to come. Less than 80 total. With about 4-5 teams a year, that's not many newbies. But, if that's giving them an idea of numbers, well so be it.
@212 You are wrong the times conflicted and not all current teams were required to attend.
03s from Phil and Lanco could have done both PF and ODP, with a little bit of a delayed arrival at ODP. PF event ended 15 minutes before ODP started for those 03s, but a player would have needed to travel from the West Chester fields to USTC. There were direct conflicts with other age groups and locations. If any NJ Rush Grey or Blue are thinking about making the switch, they will be conflicted out of the 2/28 PF event because they will be in action in MD and VA respectively on that day as part of RCL.
Any proof Copa is making a move into southern nj?
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