@9:48 I hear ya so true. Parent's have the blinders on, while drinking that cool aid. It's all about being the best whatever that may be!
shut up and worry about your own. You have no clue - you just don't have a child who has the right stuff. Moveon.org needs your support.
@8:03 Last I heard was that SJEB and Lehigh Valley, as well as a Lancaster club, applied for ECNL status but were denied.Looking at last tryout dates for clubs :FC Bucks 4/16NJ Rush 4/26SJEB 4/30Match Fit 5/5CFC 5/7PDA South 5/10Penn Fusion 5/13PDA North 5/19Couldn't find tryout info for RAGE FC.Going to be some squeezing.
@2:38-Yes heard the same thing of the denial but still within U.S. club's scope probably waiting a few years before added 1 or 2 more clubs. Geographically those are the ideal clubs but it's a waiting game for them now.I also heard a few North NJ clubs submitted them as well.
@237 while im not the op. i do get it, our two older kids both got scholarships. he naturally excelled in soccer. his feet the ball and the yard. we didn't need an academy to get him noticed. heck not many academies were around. they were there scouting another boy on the opposing team. he was offered a full scholarship and accepted. our daughter was a runner. Same story with her. No extra anything, her passion for running and hard work got her a scholarship. I speak from experience with my own kids. The scholarship most are chasing when you get there, IF you get there, its very difficult on the kids. the training and schedule, school work its not a cake walk they own your kids. relax and let your kids enjoy being 12.any folks on here with older kids? times have changed and so many more choices and clubs out there then when my older two were this age.
@2:38 Rage FC is merging with NJ Rush. Looks like tryout dates are 4/12 and 4/26.
@344 - you are a liar and a troll.
9:09: No, sorry, 3:44 is pretty accurate.See the most current NCAA stats:http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2015pro.pdfHere's the womens soccer stats:Soccer 374,564 26,358 7.0% 2.4% 1.8% 2.8%So about 7% will play in college. Div 1 (2.4%) and Div 2 (1.8%) can give athletic scholarships. Whats the average given??Look at this recent article:http://www.cnbc.com/id/101980451so if you look at the NCAA stats, about 2.4% of HS players will go Div 1. About 53% of them will get 'some' money. Average scholarship amount for a women's soccer player: $14K. Nothing to sneeze at but most kids will do better with academic scholarships.So - Paying 3K a year or more for the privilege to be in an academy - is it worth the investment? For most, if you're only in it for that, your better off saving your money for when you child actually goes to college.There is so much disinformation on this board. The people who harp about PDA, MatchFit, etc. are probably part of the orgs and make their living by convincing all of you that you have to go that route to get to play in college and get a scholarship. The stats say you're probably wasting your money.Be informed people - know what your getting into, why your getting into it and what you really might get out of it.
Wow over 100+ girls wanting to tryout for EACH of the 2 out of 3 ECNL teams?? That's crazy!! I guess that will be a hard pick! I didn't realize the pool was so large! Good Luck to all the girls!
12:13am - yea sure, just ignore the reality of the post from 12am.Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead - thats your motto, huh?
@12:13 holmdel will get the same numbers or more for ecnl. all middle town will be there. njx will take one or two middle towm we know the game. may be more cause we know the top players from njx will run for better competition, dedication no momma coach. momma bear was the 1st runner more follow.
Clubs that are selling college scholarship route have a lot to gain by promoting their brands on youth soccer forums. Is a kid's time in college better spent moving on to other pursuits than soccer? Families and players that have come to that realization have no incentive to vocal about it.
Stop the non-sense we are still at U12. At u14/15 is when everything will change for your daughters. The ECNL/NPL teams will have greater turnovers now than 2/3 years ago with the amount of pressure placed upon your kids and yourselves as parents at those ages. It is a much different scenario now with many of these top level teams trying to stay on the top GS rankings, and ECNL/NPL leagues. Putting strains on coaches to make changes every year and the bottom 3rd of each of those u14/15/16 teams more unhappy parents and kids that will leave sport.
Why would you let a few soccer clubs control whether or not you continue to play this sport or leave it? Find a good spot for your kid and play soccer. It is a great game. Don't let some soccer club dictate your life with soccer because you are unhappy with some aspect of that team.
Why does it have to be about a scholarship? I see the opportunity for my daughter as a chance to get into a better school because it is fact that schools love student athletes. All things being equal, they will take an accomplished athlete all day long. Ivy League does not give athletic scholarships but if she gets into that school because of soccer then it is all worth it.
thanks for posting the link to that CNBC piece and the stats article. great stuff. the smart person would find a wonderful club where she can enjoy the sport, become really great, develop like crazy, and use the time she would have spent driving to far away ECNL matches to get better grades. You'll be happier, the kid will be happier.
Spend a ton of money, so you can be in the top 2% who play D1 soccer, which is like having a full-time job in addition to trying to get an education, then come out and coach soccer at PDA. Sounds like a great path!
It is very much having a job and the players need to ask is the reward worth it. Do an in depth cost benefit analysis of committing to collegiate soccer.
@1211 I played in College, and I loved it. My sister and brother also played sports in College as well and loved it. We are now all successful adults, and I believe that is due to our need to balance our sports and academics at a young age.My daughter loves soccer and enjoys playing at a high level. I let her play where she wants because she can play there and it is affordable for me. If she chooses to continue to play through college, so be it. I know she will not mind the work involved academically and athletically. In fact, I know it will teach her organizational skills, better study habits, and provide less opportunities for her to get in trouble. @1152 If she graduates and wants to coach soccer, and help other young players learn the sport she loves, so be it as well. As long as she can pay her bills and be happy, it is fine with me.
It can work for some and not for others. Just be careful. Some challenging majors are very difficult to schedule with a sports commitment.
@1:02 For some it works and thats great. I too played and have a daughter that plays now. If you can do more after school with it, even better. But for all of that, you're in the minority.And I think the point is that spending a ton of $$ to play in an academy doesn't insure you get in D1, D2 or D3 - and it doesn't mean you'llget alot of $$ in a scholarship as a return on your investment. The odds aren't great for either event.The people on this blog hyping academies and ECNL, etc. either work for those orgs, or were lucky enough to have a child make it that way and have missed the larger reality out there. It should be seen as it is - a long shot and not a way to get back you investment. thank God some hard facts to cut through all this were finally published and show the truth.Have your kid have fun with the sport - if you want to spend bucks on more great - but don't foster that as the be all and end all way to go. It ain't.
@139It is definitely not the end all be all. However, there is a difference between a town travel and an academy program. The game is different.If you send your child to an Academy for a scholarship, well yes I agree you are way off. My daughters only sport is soccer however, and she is happy and playing well where she is. My other children and their friends children play multiple sports, and honestly, the cost is abut the same. A nephew boxes, he pays twice the amount of an ecnl club. And have you ever seen a bill for a dance troupe?? or drama classes.My daughter is where she is because she loves it, we have fun where she is, and I hope it stays that way, and I hope she can do whatever it is she wants to do.
@2:04 First, glad to have this discussion.To your points, first I would say that justifying spending 3K+ a year for soccer because for another sport or activity you'd spend more isn't really a valid justification in my mind. Its like saying you steal cars and I only steal tvs, so what I do is ok compared to you :-).I think its a shame that its come this - that everything is so pay to play oriented and that the parents foster and support it because they think it will result in their child getting into a D1 program and/or big scholarships.I would agree that some of the better academies will certainly play a better brand of soccer then many town teams. But not all. And certainly you'll agree there are plenty of pseudo academies out there that are just that - pseudo/pretenders. However are even the good academies as good because of the price they charge to pay the full time coaches or is it because they get more kids to choose from - whom if they stayed home would do just as well in the right town program. I'd submit it could have been done in the towns but we've all bought the cool aid - now we rush to pay big bucks to the academies and they naturally are better because they get more talent - so the cycle is self fulfilling. Your daughter is getting good training and developing and is happy - and for you the $$/time aren't an issue. And thats all great - I wish you and her much success. I just agree with the other posts that there's a lot of hype around the academy/ECNL path and I think you can still find good alternate programs that cost less and give you the same or nearly the same changes for less $$ and less investment in time. Again, best of luck to your daughter and you.
typo: above was meant to read "nearly the same chances..."
Kids that play for some town teams are recruited by ECNL clubs. That is a fact. IF the town teams were of such poor quality, why would any ECNL club even look at their players?
@305. I agree we made this system. But I also know the system was around when I grew up, it was just different sports. Then for girls it was gymnastics where I lived. I happened to be too tall. So the system just changed lanes and my daughter is chest deep and blissfully happy. (Except for all the snow that killed the start of the season) I don't quite understand your analogy, but then quite a bit is lost in these blog conversations. I Didn't choose this sport or the fees, my daughter did. But every sport she has played has had high end costs if she chose to play travel That was my only analogy. Further, @630, there are some wondeful town teams, but there aren't a lot. The parent coach model stops working when they become 14/15. The girls are moving too fast. The fact that players are recruited to ecnl usually means that the town team can't Compete once that star player departs. But in the end, I do agree, don't pay because you think your child is getting a D1 scholarship. Pay because your daughter loves the game. Pay because she wants to play. Not because you think you can sell her off to a college. enjoy the ride. Pretty soon they will be on their own and working and making their own family. Without regard to what style soccer they played at 12.
The quality town programs should be celebrated and not disparaged. For most kids, this is their opportunity to play this sport. A high level, high priced club is not a realistic option for the majority, regardless of a child's talent. There are no parent coaches (although I certainly can appreciate a good parent coach) at my town club. The unpaid time and energy of volunteers is crucial to the club's success. The club's non-profit mission of promoting the sport in the community is not just lip service and they accommodate all interested with teams of varying competitive levels. Of course there are complaints. As in all organizations, the unhappy speak more loudly than the happy.Take the measure of a club by how they treat the least skilled player, not the best.
A town can be just as costly because the majority of town teams bring in hired trainers anyway. Rarely you see a town team have a daddy coach all the way through the U16 years.
No way as costly. $730 per kid for fall and spring including training, games, uniform (no new uniform every year - you get a uniform and replace as needed) and one tourney each season. Winter another $350 if you can manage it for 20 sessions (10 on turf, 10 futsal in gym). Usually one away tourney for teams that have enough interested players - this has to be paid for by team members - it runs about $150 per kid for fee and coaching + hotel. This is pretty comparable to at least one other pro- trained town program I am aware of.Inquiries have been made about by high level teams about certain players and kids have left and made pre-ECNL teams so their are capable players at this club.
Sorry but I disagree, when your daughter reaches U15/16/17 and is wanting to play college and your still on a town team you'll end spending an abundance of funds & Time traveling and attending college camps and other ways to get your daughter recruited and recognized. If the new landscape is to go ECNL/NPL so be it! You'll end saving funds later down the line by coaches attending these games or seeing these girls at ID2 and TIP programs that are benefits when you are on a ECNL/NPL team. Town clubs have a are hard time recommending players to those ID programs which are free.So when your playing town your spending the amount like the prior post said + recruitment camps and ODP which end up being just as equal with more hard work and time.
Who said a a town club offers much exposure to trying to play in college? It is what is available to most players and should be supported as such. Some will make it to college from these programs but they are not designed for that purpose like the ECNL. If you can afford ECNL and make the team, go for it and good luck if that suits your player.
ID2 is hardly "free". You are paying a pretty penny to the clubs from which those players are selected.
What made us look at an academy club was the coach was not the true coach. In order to "field" a team kids were in positions where they didn't belong. It was more about feeding the parents ego. It was like placing them in a race and ting their legs together. Most town teams cant make true cuts because the numbers at tryouts just aren't there and talent isn't running to a town team either. We left our town team two years ago and my daughter loves it where she is now. I have to say a few local town teams are very productive though. Whatever makes your child happy.
There are great town programs and poor ones and quality and poor academy programs as well. Do your homework and no place is perfect.
State cup update - PDA Crew over Arsenal Fury 3-1
Coppa lost to who today?
I think they combined their two 8v8 teams to play against a 11v11 team.
I think the score was 3-0 lost to coppa.
Who beat coppa?
More importantly, who shot who at the Copa?
Arsenal Fury is a team who has can hang with academy teams, stinks they loss. I know most on here are pro academy, but Fury, Twin County, and Monmouth Coast are my personal favorite town teams.Great job Crew hard fought win!
Any scores today?
How were the Cherry Hill parents today?
Cherry hill pounded up on NJX sol?
NJX/MFA 2-0 over Cherry Hill
WOW! Finally NJX can score! Something changed that's for sure. Somebody knows what they are doing.
njx won but they didn't pass the ball well, all they did was have the big girls in the back play kick ball. the new coach should fix that. good job on the win njx. off to a good start.
Yea, unfortunately NJX lacks passing skills and are still a kick and run team. Sadly that will hurt the team as they play the more advanced and skilled players.
NJ Rush over IGFA 2-1
Rush and rage look like the teams to beat this year. Put them together and Galaxy will have one tough team to compete with, but they never will being in ecnl. Looking forward to seeing crew-rage score in state cup. 3 to 1 rage is my prediction.
SJEB beat Rush 2-1 in EDP Open Cup play yesterday, they are the team to beat not Rush.
Sjeb are good, but they get beat a lot. Very inconsistent team. Also losing two players to PA teams soon.
There is no team to beat, any of these u12 spring games for the NJ teams can go either way. I for one am glad to see this so we can have more quality teams at this age as they get older. Even the NJX and Cherry Hill Game @ 2-0 was still a close game for a town team. I have an older daughter @U16 and she is on a desired team in NJ but the majority of the competition is out of state. Unfortunately it takes a toll on the players and parents with the abundance of travel we do and balancing life.
@2:09 Would you mind sharing what you did with your 16 year old? At what age did you break away from a town team? Was she a starter or did she need to work for it? Any information you could share would be helpful. I am thinking of letting my daughter tryout for an academy team, Match Fit or PDA. What will you do differently with your u12 player?
So funny that a Cherry Hill parent can come on here and bash a 12 year old team just because you lost!! Your an embarrassment to your daughter!!
@ 2:24 PM - I actually started transitioning her at end of U13 and moved her to her at U14. Landscape within many clubs have changed a lot due to ECNL/NPL leagues though vs. 2 years ago where they not as exposed yet. If your daughter is that high of a player and works hard a PDA/MatchFit/World Class will not pass her up. @U12 & U13 save the funds because once you hit U15/16 your spending a pretty penny with travel expenses, College camps, Tourney's, etc. I see two aspects now if your daughter is in the middle-top tier of her team that competes at a high level I wouldn't worry about moving her yet, but if your daughter is towards the bottom I would at least see if she get's notice because it may be harder for her to get on later.
@2:44 She is more of the middle-upper player who still needs work. She is playing against strong teams and has been there 2 years. I will keep her put. When deciding what club to tryout at, what should you base your decision on? Any input on PDA, MF, or ECNL or are they all the same? Can you play for your high school if your on an academy team? Thank you for your help @2:44
Have tryout any way she could be a middle-upper on her current team but if she is not playing in one of the top divisions in EDP right now she could be a bottom player on one of those teams.
Currently girls are allowed to play high school. It is only on the boys side where there are true academies that they cannot.My two cents - Combo of Rage and NJ Rush is interesting. Both good teams but very far apart so I guess they won't play together too often, but if they did, that would be a very good team.SDFC is a very nice team with good skills and play a nice short passing game. Very impressed with this coach and have been since U-8. He has a vision and is sticking to it.FC Maximus has stayed 8v8 to focus on development. Thought his team was very skilled last time we played them - one of the best that we played at u-10. Yes, that is a while ago but his team had great skills and sophisticated passing at that age. Can only imagine it is better now. So kudos to them for sticking with their vision and now making a relationship with world class. It will only enhance the team at world class program. SJEB - love the way this team plays. Don't understand why people leave here. Yes, they lose some but that is because the coach is not chasing the wins. High quality coach who is teaching the girls to play the game right and he is a class act to boot.You guys can all hate- I will tell you that I have loved to watch every time we have played these teams. I recognize that none of these are the PDA/MF thing that people like to talk about and love to love or love to hate, but I think there is some great coaching, development and competition at this age outside of the ECNL clubs and I think we should celebrate it. It makes this age group interesting and hopefully getting to play against each other with these different styles will make all of the girls better no matter what team they play on. This age group is very lucky.
@ 4:52 very well written. I agree the Rush movement in NJ should be interesting not sure how it will end up since some of those girls will end up with PDA/MatchFit later due to ECNL status. SDFC & SJEB play a similar style and very innovative passing game Glad the coaches are sticking to there vision it will only help the girls later vs now. FC Maximus will explode due because a few players will end up being pulled up to World Class ECNL squad later and the other half upset. I foresee this happening - PDA/MatchFit wont let FC Maximus have a ECNL team in NJ. Also don't forget IGFA, TSF, NJ Wildcats these clubs will essentially pull stronger girls in as well.
IGFA, NJ Wildcats shouldn't be in the conversation. Both are clubs who hold little to no pull at the older ages where reputation gets you into tournaments.
IGFA is very good at u14 , they are beating everyone. There are to many start ups in north jersey, all the talent is spread out.
NJ Wildcats are good at u13 as well, plus they are partners with Sky blue.
copa is a partner with sky-blue, wildcats are partners with valkyries
Hey 2:00pm. How do you know that two kids are leaving SJEB ? I know there will be some movement, but tryouts haven't started.
Has SJEB ever won the state cup? Or the pda kickoff or any big time tourney for that matter? How'd the Jeff cup go in the 2nd division? Just asking, their always on here bragging about their wins, seriously have they?
Galaxy pounded SJEB 3-0, they'll never be the team to beat, that's all Galaxy
Movement doesn't happen after tryouts, girls go to practices at teams they want to join. There several new girls at practice every week on the top teams I'm sure. I would like to hear from Galaxy about how many girls join their practice every week?
8:48 COPA is partner with sky blue, Wildcats are wildcats , IGFA is partner with Valkyries.Copa will feed the reserve team of sky blue( not the first team) wildcats and Valkyries are W league teams.
SJEB is a fine club, but the close proximity to PDA South can cause issues. Kids think they can do better, and that may not be the case. However, with a high turnover each year, it can be tough to develop chemistry and trust with players.SJEB '02 coach is very good. But, there are cracks in the armor. Say what you will about development, but he was coaching to win in the games that I saw. And he was not nice about how the girls were playing on that particular day. Especially at the Penn Bubble event this year.At the end of the day, they're 11 and 12 years old, some even younger, but the landscape changes so much in the next few years. If those kids go to PA, I wish them the best of luck. You have to be 100% positive that it's the right thing to do.Hard to say no to a DOC that will be coaching a U13 pre-ECNL team. Also interesting that Continental/FC Delco plucked Shane Coyne away from West Chester/Penn Fusion.Choices will be made. Folks will get upset. Money will be spent. It really is an endless cycle, but nobody really knows anything until U14-15.
@10:25 why do you care so much about NJX?
I noticed there passing is a bit better , but they still have that one girl that jumps in the air and gets in everyone way, new coach needs to squash that.
This is interesting, we don't know much about the pa teams, but have always heard the best from the south end up there. Thanks for the insight and any more would be appreciated, not asking about what girls are doing what, just more about the pa clubs.
PDA Nova will be the team to beat this spring. They are getting stronger and building chemistry more and more.
@4:03 Very true thank you never thought of that.@4:52 Thank you again.
"PDA Nova will be the team to beat this spring"Welcome back Joe T! What's your take on this SJA club out of Berkeley?
If you are thinking of moving, don't forget to go to a game and see the team in action to assess if your daughter is similar to the types of players that coach gives a lot of time to. You need to understand if your kid will fit in with what that coach is trying to do. In addition to you liking the coach, you want to make certain to find a coach that likes the way your kid plays as not all coaches value the same thing. If you are somewhere where you child is getting good training, playing competitive games with a good team and the coach likes your kid's style/plays your child a lot, I would think twice before I moved at this age. Plenty of time for a move when the girls are older (u-14or u-15) if they decide that is what they want.
I see a lot of people on this blog mentioning U14/15 years. Just curious why as I am looking for my daughter to join an academy team now why U14/15 is more critical.
It doesn't matter by the time our daughter's reach U14/15. The landscape may change and go by Calendar Year for age groups in U.S. Club this will match what the boys are doing on the USDA side. In 2 years things may look different. I suggest if you are on a good team with good training ride it out till then.
You will see more discrepancies in size/speed/physical play at the younger ages as some girls have matured, while younger ones have not. Once everyone has matured by 14 or 15, now you're on a somewhat equal level playing field. The kids that were scoring goals by the bunches at the youth levels may now struggle. ECNL teams will have speed and size up and down the lineup, so those faster kids that were scoring goals by the bunches at younger ages are now coming up against defenders that are just as athletic and just as fast.The game moves to more of a 'mental' aspect, and you are only as good as your preparation, at which point your coach now becomes important. Dump and chase tends to get phased out, unless a team is pressing ridiculously high.Most kids have obtained proper technical training, so the mental game can make or break them. Intensity during training is just as important as intensity in games.Teams that have won cups at U9/U10 tend to disappear rather quickly. From my experience, everything up until U14/15 should be about fun and creativity.
I thought tsf partnered with Valkyries ?And don't those two ---tsf and igfa ---have some kind of relationship as well?
8:48pm get your facts straight. Wildcats are affiliated with Sky Blue.http://www.njwildcats.com/home/618781.html
8:40 Thanks for posting the link for Wildcats & Skyblue affiliation. This just shows how many non-informative parents are on this blog just talking and researching detail. Darn Know it All parents need to stop talking and stirring pots as well.
Wildcats not relevant at this age group and never will be.This is a very strong age group and many options. Pda n is the best. Rage is the best in the south now, but probably won't continue at older ages. MF is a disaster. Sdfc is the only club I see that has potential staying power, they need to get a few more players from clubs like tsf and IGFA in n nj. FC m will dissolve into WC and hopefully help them compete some day. I know people don't want PDA s to succeed, but is probably is the best option for girls in the south. Nj Rush is solid, I hope they continue the success, but not what GS ranking show them as, average team at this age group, which is still very good.
@12:15pm - How can you can say "Wildcats are not relevant and never will be" You never know it can take 2/3 good players that move into a team to have a team start competing. I do agree this age group is strong in NJ but things change especially in the next 2 years. If you look closer to the two age groups above us U13/U14 you will see Wildcats and IGFA have quality teams. Many NJ teams have disappeared as well from 2 years ago. Someone needs to take a screen shot of Gotsoccer then repost it 8 months from now after 2015 Fall I guarantee we'll see a lot of changes between the teams you have mentioned.
Do you know why teams disappear? Because crap coaches rely on recruitment. Why not develop the players you have- isnt that what you parents pay $2300-$3200 a year for? Instead of going on an on about your useless garbage of analyzing what the future holds, why don't you do your research on coaches that coach teams within this age group an see what their past achievements are/were- and no I'm not talking about got soccer. You idiot parents are so clueless and I love it bc you will buy into everything tht you hear. Do your research clowns. There are 3 coaches within this age group who have coached and developed NOT RECRUITED their players for many years who have reached US national status and top division one scholarships. God you all are sad
@619What I find amusing is that you think everyone else is a "know-it-all" meanwhile, it appears to be you. Everyone has their own opinion. It is what it is. If you have some special knowledge, please fee free to share it, but the berating at the same time from a pompous ____, is necessary.As for town teams, it is my opinion that few town teams survive high school because the best players get grouped in the higher level clubs. It is recruitment and branding. It happens in all forms of sports, and business. Town teams can have the best coach, but unless the town has the rep a place like PDA has, it can not compete at higher levels.
Okay, I must be a clown. Who are three coaches?
6:19 I curious who are the 3 coaches? If you don't want to divulge then where can I find that information. Thx
I'm curious who posted something that had to be pull off the blog? That may be a new low.
@ 6:19very ignorant. You can have an awesome coach, but doesn't mean he can turn a child into some amazing soccer player if that child just doesn't have it in them. So there is nothing wrong with recruiting some players later on who do have it in them and who have played somewhere else. Players still have to learn the game even at the older ages. You can't teach speed and you can't teach physicality. Either the player has got it or they don't.
You can teach physicality. It is the one thing you can teach. it is not a skill just an expectation and learned response to the right stimulus.
If your looking for a solid team on the town level look into Monmouth Coast, Freehold Arsenal Blue, Twin County Storm. IMO they are solid with a proven record.
Twin County not in the same league as either of the other two.Coast is good but kick/run.Freehold is strong - improved alot by taking in some of the old Jackson Gunners.
I guess your right about the physicality. Could be taught I suppose. But I don't think every child will really have it in them. and does anyone really know why the Jackson Gunners broke apart? That's a shame.
PDA over NJ Rush 3-2 in Spring State Cup Play. Maybe someone was right PDA is team to beat this spring.
3 - 2 over Rush is really not that big of a difference in score. Doesn't sound like they crushed them. Sounds pretty even to me. Can anyone that seen the game say how the teams played?
@9:40 Which PDA team is the one to watch? It seems all three have started strong this spring.
Very embarrassing for RUSH, but doesn't surprise me at all. They are a average team will GS points. Nice win nova.
Things are coming in line, PDA Galaxy, Crew, Nova becoming stronger teams 2 years from now the top half of those 3 teams will be put together for ECNL play and these so called Gotsoccer point chasers will be that point chasers.
Galaxy will be the ECNL team, along with 2-3 others from all the other PDA teams. No chance it's the top half from the other teams.
The game was far far from even. 2 different styles of soccer. NJ Rush is a kick and run club. Very ugly and direct style to watch. Wins games for them now, but long term, not good. Even down a 10 players PDA worked the ball better, more creative and had better soccer ideas. NJ Rush has very fast forwards they just smash the ball too. 4 coaches giving different information never helps. Rush parents wake up, you're paying the mother ship in highland to get what? Win at all cost training and still township vibe with last name on hoodies instead of team name. Still think they are going ECNL.
The ultra competitive "let them eat cake" arrogant academy team vibe is much better. Sign me up so I can start bashing those town teams.
Agree 100% with 9:48. Galaxy will be the ECNL team - they didn't change their roster this year and probably won't next year. If there are any additions, they probably won't come from within.
Galaxy has changed their roster this year and im sure they will continue to. They have a solid team, but like most have players that will be asked to move down and I'm sure there are several players that can move up as well.The team will be 20 to 22 rostered by 14 and that leaves about 6 spots open over the next year or so. Then you will see fewer additions and less leaving. This will happen with all of the top teams in state, region and country.
PDA schedules are up
NJ Rush State Cup Championship: 1Nova: 0NJ Rush top division at PDA Spring KickoffNova 2nd Division
Nj rush you need to settle down and stop talking. PDA crew tied you as well. You had an easy ride in the fall and you have tons of points because you chase them. You guys are above average team and leave it at that. You are probably between 5 and 10 in state and that nice. Rage, Galaxy, nova, sjeb and sdfc are all better than you. I think nova gets beat by sdfc and they shouldn't be talking as well, just gets you in trouble.
2 things will happen1 pda will push RUSH down a level if they look into their results or see their comments on blog. If not, 2 they will not win a game if they stay in top bracket. They put crew in 3 rd bracket and they just tied RUSH.
Wait...I thought Nova just beat Rush in State Cup???
PDA three teams guaranteed will filter the top couple to the ECNL unit. If there are 5 kids on Nova or Crew that can outplay kids on Galaxy, trust me, they are adjusting. I'm sure the coach has his favorites but no coach in charge of an ECNL team is going to pass by better kids especially those within the same Club. no brainer.
where can one see the pda schedules, the link on their site doesnt work for me. thank you.
After you click the schedule tab. Go to the top left of the registration page for schedules. its a weird layout
I think this blog is now going to have PDA parents from all the different teams at each other. All because they are hoping their child is good enough to play ECNL @ U14 and hoping to bump out the Galaxy players. I'd say maybe 1 child from each team could be borrowed occasionally for ECNL tournaments maybe.
1240 stop trying to stir the PDA pot.Majority of parents understand the program and the pyramid to get to their ECNL squad at U14. Every girl will have an opportunity as long as they continue to work hard. Being a PDA gives a step in a door no matter what.
Any nova/barons score?
Tie 10-10. lol
I'm assuming SJEB won or we would have heard already
You PDA parents are just as elitist and full of yourselves as they come. Everything can open the door, not just the 3 letters on your jersey. coaches, tournaments, ID camps, college recruiting camps, ODP and other id programs, and mostly the players.if your players don't develop, i dont care what league you play in, or what your jersey says. when that college coach finally gets a chance to check out your kid, and the first three passes to her end up with an ugly first touch, a improperly weighted pass to your teammates, and zero hustle back defensively, you can be rest assured his eyes move elsewhere. you pda folk ever think perhaps you're doing yourself a disadvantage having your killer on the same squad as those who are even more killer, after all, mr college coach will be intrigued by the # 1 to 5 player, but probably just passes right by #6 to 10. Those coming in for those precious 6 minutes a half are not worth the coach's time. If your own coach doesnt value the player, why should someone more removed with less knowledge."1 from the other pda squads might make the ECNL squad". Talk about protectionism, somehow i doubt that's PDA's stance on this, just nutty parents.small fish, big pond as they say.
I think i saw a facebook post that SJEB won but im not 100%.
Hey Facebook stalker I saw post they tied 5-5. lol
PDA Tournament Brackets - https://tgs.totalglobalsports.com/public/master.aspx
Thank you. Why is the PDA Galaxy squad in a higher group than the Rage Renegades? Aren't they considered two of the best? PDA Tournament Brackets - https://tgs.totalglobalsports.com/public/master.aspx April 6, 2015 at 9:34 AM
Because PDA is just like Jeff Cup and the higher level tourney's they don't follow GotSoccer Points, historical play carries more weight. As you may notice PDA is not even using Gotsoccer as a scheduler. There ECNL/NPL teams can care less about GS points.
@ April 6, 2015 at 9:59 AM Rage Renegades just went 11v11. They need to prove themselves full field against top teams who have been playing 11v11 already.
Rage just proved it by beating West Chester 4-0, a 2nd place EDP South 1st division team.
Cherry Hill FC should at least be in PDA's 2nd bracket?? We got robbed.
PDA folk keep telling yourselves that about Rage. I'll call it like it is, PDA didnt want Rage in their bracket for fear of losing at their own tournament. Anyone who knows the teams, results, gotsoccer or not-gotsoccer knows that Rage is a great team. Prove themselves? yeah right. what a joke. its called having control of your own seeding and moving the better team into a lower bracket because its your party.
@6:51 -before you complain about being miss flighted, your team should win their flight first...i think you are a bit premature@8:36 - i don't think PDA is scared of Rage - rage hasn't proved anything large sided yet and if you look at the brackets, there are all top teams in their bracketagain, before you make statements like that, win your flight firstThe tournament will have plenty of competition and will be fun for all teams involved regardless what flight.
I for one think the PDA brackets were fairly done correctly seems they researched each team vs just looking at Gotsoccer joke points. Well done PDA! There will be disappointments and surprises in this tourney. I don't think it's a walk in a park for any of those teams. Just like any tourney the favored ((i.e. - NCAAM basketball Kentucky) didn't even make it to the finals. As for you south jersey teams stop the crying, by this time next year Central/Northern NJ will have 6-7 dominating teams to your 1 or 2.
Put aside what the GotSoccer points equation says (which lists them as top team in the country). Presume maybe its off a bit. Are you then saying Rage would not be considered a top 3? 5? 8?, in that flight? Have their results been 'questionable'? do state championships and top ranking in the country not atleast get them in that top 6, 8 seeding? a team in that mix? Come on PDA, get real. You hold this out as a big top tournament, and you adjust the flighting to increase your chances of winning. Why not dispel the questions, eliminate the doubts and play them. South jersey has more than 1 great team. Does anyone really believe that Rage didn't deserve a spot in that top flight?? yeah, right.
So who should not be in the top bracket then?
I'm sorry Rage parents but I think PDA did a great job with the flights. One 11 v 11 game can't make you automatically in a top flight. You have to prove yourself at a couple high end tourneys at 11 v 11. It's only right.
I'll chime in. Unless its going to be subjective because its Pda's tournament, gotsoccer is not an unfair way to look at teams many tournament directors without bias use it as ameasure.FC Mass - 99thphwm 132you could go down the list, but it would be pointless because based on gotsoccer points system, Rage is top of the list, none with more points according to their ranking methodology. I'm not saying its perfect, or does not have major flaws. But any other system is subjective. I would concur, the top team in the country should be in the top bracket otherwise its the subjective belief of PDA that the #1 team is not as good as the #132 or #99th
gs points aren't a good measure at U12. They were competing against lower level 8 v 8 teams.
If all the teams that are claiming to be 'academy' teams, don't drop their lower level players and pick up girls that go to their tryouts that flat out play better and can raise the bar, than those teams risk dropping their level of play and losing their top players within the next year or two. Parents, if your daughters are one of those top few players on the team, I suggest letting the coaches know your feeling, even if it's anonymously.
Rage should be in top bracket. I agree a lot of points came easy, but they are the real deal. They won pda 8v8 last year and two of those teams are in top bracket this year. Explain that one please. I think somebody needs to do some more home work. Rush and pipeline will get killed by this team, both are just average.
why would u say rush & pipeline are just average?
@8:34 PM WHAT WOULD MAKE THEM SO THEY ARE NOT AVERAGE TEAMS SMARTY PANTS? A WHOLE NEW ROSTER??
Hoping NJ Rush and Pipeline make it to the Championship game. And hoping that the Rage Renegades lose their bracket. Sorry, I know that's evil of me. And if the above poster/s aren't even Rage parents but trolls just trying to stir the pot, then I'm sorry.
http://youthsoccerrankings.us/PDA is ranked 1 in NJRage is ranked 2 in NJLooks like they should be playing each other
I guess we can safely assume this is a Rage parent/parents. They sure do know a lot about them. So after you mercy rule everyone in the 2nd bracket at PDA this spring, next year you can be top bracket in every tournament.
They will play rage in state cup if they both continue.Either way, second bracket is very strong at pda. Works out better, PDA can play rush and pipeline, who they won't play in state cup. And rage will play these teams in league and played the out of state teams last year at pda.
Enough with the rankings Gotsoccer, YouthSoccer, Top Drawer. It's U12 people like someone mentioned before some take a snap shot of the rankings I guarantee it will be totally different 6 months from now. PDA can do however they feel is necessary to assure everyone it will be a competitive tournament.
The rankings will change no doubt. It just seems "odd" that Rage is not flighted with PDA right now, since you can't flight teams based on future rankings
PDA did it on purpose, they arrange it so both 1st & 2nd bracket can earn enough GS points. If you look at the overall picture of things both brackets will be equivalent to 9000 GS points. So if Galaxy and Nova win they will climb up in the rankings. If PDA Crew will have a bracket worth 6500 GS points. Well done PDA Well done. Smart move.
Where is the proof that Rage would "raise" the GS points if included in the bracket they want?
There are too many parents here stirring the pot. I can tell you 100% because I know the team and the quality people involved that no one from RAGE is writing a word, nor do they care about this blog or anyone's opinions. Anyone posting on this blog is not from their team. It is understood in their tight knit group that public opinion matters not to them. They have not cut one kid in three years of existence, they work tirelessly to improve their players, and they treat every kid with respect. I have even heard they create personal video analysis for each of their players. My daughter has played for a rival club for years but the reasons above are why I have registered my daughter for the future NJ Rush tryouts where RAGE will be next year. The RAGE parents and coaches respect PDA, SJEB, SDFC, NJ Rush, Cherry Hill FC and the other coaches and programs. Even when I asked about their program versus others you cannot get anyone over there to say a bad word. They are a class act and I felt the need to at least stick up for them. Route against them? Shame on you, you should aspire to be more like them.
Question....World Class-NJ ? (former Maximus)..what's the story with this? Is WC-NJ going to have their own teams. Will they have a Pre-ECNL or ECNL team at U14 seperate from the NY World Class team. If anyone knows, please let me know -thanks
The way ECNL is set up only one team per club can be ECNL. So WC can only have one ECNL team. The rumor is FC Maximus U12 is moving out of WC to another club, not confirmed though.
To another club? That doesn't seem to make much sense.
Yes people like to stir the pot on here, I completely agree Rage is a quality team and has dedicated players among them. They also great respect for the other clubs around the SJ area and those clubs have given respect right back. It's the parents from the North that are always in the uproar fighting among each other moving team to team. Glad there are decent teams @ U12 to U14 in the south like Rage, SJEB, Cherry FC. It is much needed with the amount good players in the area.
(April 8, 2015 at 7:58 PM) - you obviously don't understand how Got Soccer works. Go to this link and you will understand how teams effect the overall point total of a tournament.https://home.gotsoccer.com/support.aspx?content=support§ion=Rankings&HelpID=118
Thanks NJ rush coach for your comments. If you read the post, nobody put down rage, they where all saying they are solid and should be in first bracket above your team.
Parents from the north? Have you ever played rage or cherry hill, not a pretty site when comes to parents....
Tryouts are coming! This blog will be blowing up even more. LOL Rumor has it that a 4th PA club, further North of Philadelphia has been giving the guidance to join ECNL and if criteria is met will become approved next year. That will make a impact on landscape of things on players located in the Central to Northern Jersey area.
Cherry Hill parents are the worst I have ever seen.
I see nj rush playing Americans in consolation round - good luck. I think Americans are there do to ref no show.
Nice, what club is it with potential ecnl?To bad MF can't stay consistent, would be nice if they offered a good alternative, but way behind at most age groups where they are forced to develop their own. I think WCFC will do well, their u10, 11, 13, 14 and 15 all doing very well. This age group has some catch up to do. NJ RUSH needs rage, how far apart are these clubs.
9:18 you don't know the ECNL too well. There are two ECNL clubs with operations in TWO STATES: St. Louis Scott Gallagher in MO and IL, and Eclipse in IL and WI. So no, the way the ECNL is set up is NOT only one team per club can be ECNL. Now is that saying WC will try to make WC-NJ a separate ECNL team like the ones mentioned above? Who knows.
They are probably over an hour apart. RUSH is a nationwide soccer organization. Players can move freely between teams. If there is a soccer event with a RUSH team acro ss the country and they could use a few top players than they can easily borrow top players from any RUSH team. Just like PDA can between their NPL and ECNL teams. Players can move freely like fluid. I believe there are good things coming for Rage NJ Rush 'south' and NJ Rush 'central'. NJ Rush 'central' just need a few more talented girls and need to master possession instead of kick and chase. SJEB have their possession game down really well. Haven't seen Galaxy play in a while but it'd be interesting to see how they match up with the teams in the PDA tournament. Their bracket looks really winnable. I hope RAGE earns their spot in the top brackets soon.
Nova really a one person team, once she goes to the Galaxy this team will be very average. SJEB losing girls to ECNL teams. Rage will be SJ dominant team going forward.
THanks for the info on ecnl and WCFC. That's good to know. I think ECNL needs a North NJ team!
@11:22 Or she stays on the Nova drawing other top players in the South, creating another powerhouse PDA south team like her older sister played on..........hmmm, I wonder what their thought process is?
PDA Nova will be the Dominant team in the South.
Why are you parents so hyped over your daughter playing college and joining an ECNL/NPL team to get there. Based on these statics done in 2014 only 10.4% of girls playing soccer will actually play in college, 2.4% will only be playing D1. (links below) It gives great insight on the numbers even if you join a so called ECNL/NPL team and spend 3500+ a year on tuition and 1500+ on traveling, hotel, camps, extra training etc. In 5 years that's over 20+K of $$$ spent and this doesn't equate to the average scholarship given out. If your on a good team with good players and parents be happy and just enjoy watching your daughter play because in 2/3 years she may not be playing anymore. Statistics - http://www.scholarshipstats.com/soccer.htmlOdds: http://www.scholarshipstats.com/varsityodds.html
Well said 10:45 and so very, very true! Enjoy watching your daughter do something she loves!
ummmm 90% of girls playing ECNL play in college...with about 65% playing D1
and what % of girls play ECNL? A very small % in NJ.
ummm 12:09Where did you get your stats?and don't say the ECNL site - that doesn't count as an unbiased source of information that can be counted as reliable.ECNL is hype - created to get parents like you to buy in to paying more to be on teams that charge alot for a 'academy' experience. They have to differentiate and justify their existence somehow - so create an 'exclusive' league that they can control who gets in and who can't - what a racket! And judging by all those drinking the cool aid on this blog, its working for them!
Facts....just one of many articles.why should I worry about the percentage if your daughter ISN'T playing ECNL...hahahttp://equalizersoccer.com/2015/02/04/ecnl-90-percent-players-college-soccer-national-signing-day/
12:26 Hey Genius...Read the very first line of the article:Nine of 10 players from the ECNL’s graduating class will play college soccer, the league announced on Wednesday, which is national signing day for NCAA sports.I quote 'the league announced' - hey, you think its in the interest of 'the league' to make such a statement???
So the league isn't supposed to report anything? hahahaAnother great article...read and enjoy. A player playing for a ECNL club is 5x more likely to be recruited by a D1 school. I guess more made up stats huhhttp://www.d1soccerrecruiting.com/ecnl-and-the-college-recruiting-process-what-does-the-data-reveal/
12:26 thats pretty funny.That article goes on to say 920 girls from ECNL will play Div 1 ball. Lets assume thats true.Yet the stats from NCAA and from the earlier post show: 37760 girls playing college ballout of 374,564 HS players. 2.4% in Div 1 = 8989 Div 1 from the High school pool of players.920/8989 = about 10% from EcnlThats 90% that are NOT from Ecnl.Hows that investment feel now.
Are you a half idiot or full? You just gave stats that showed how many ecnl players out of everyone - ALL players playing in college are from a ecnl program.....ummmmmmIt's 90% of players that play ECNL will go on to Play college. freakin genius...lmao
So out of the 8k that played Div 1 from non-ecnl programs. How many players is that 8k out of? 100k ? how many? huh
@1:09 The point is, out of the girls that play D1 in college, most aren't from ECNL.Thats based on real stats from NCAA and uses your 'unbiased' stat published by the ECNL league - which is likely higher than reality as well.So you go ahead and keep paying into the system set up to suck it out of folks like yourself. 90% of the rest that are lucky enough to make it to D1 will be able to do it through alternate channels.
OMG!! You're comparing a pool of only 90+ ECNL clubs to every H.S or Other club in the WHOLE country!!! hahaI'll take my bet with 90% chance over your 2% chance. Thank you
@(April 10, 2015 at 10:45 AM)Great post and link proves a lot and hopefully wakes up many of these so called parents on this blog. As for those that actually reviewed the link it shows a lot of very good statistics vs. a bunch of up-talk marketing the ECNL website states about the 90% everyone is saying.
Can some what find stats on how many of the 90% of ECNL players actually got a full ride. Again those ECNL articles so unbiased and steered towards marketing. At least the prior article on statistics gave a true detailed picture. So let's say there are 4 PDA teams at this age in NJ(Galaxy, Crew, Nova, Shore)Possible 75 players: 90% of that is 7/8 players probably attend to play D1 school and receive a partial or full scholarship. For all those 67/68 PDA parents all your dreams are lost. LOL
Why would most ECNL families care about a full ride? That league is chock full of athletes from well off families. I am surprise if they would even even be interested in saddling their girls with the distracting pressure of a full scholarship ride to college. Kids from $$$$ get the freedom to pursue other opportunities in college.
@ April 10, 2015 at 12:49 PM That math is a bit wrong. The 8989 covers all players from Freshman through Seniors. The 920 covers only incoming 2015 Freshman. So the math would be 1/4 of your 8989 (2247). So the 920 would account for 41%. And don't forget to account for all the D1 scholarships that come from the NPL teams from those ECNL organizations. That's a lot coming from only 75 clubs.
I had to take my shoes off and use my toes with all this arithmetic. ECML and NPL are both good shots at getting your daughter looked at if they dream to play in college. It is about their dream isn't it. Also, there isn't much of a difference between Academy teams an so called Town travel teams. There's about a $1,000-$1,500 difference. However you get a lot more training sessions with Academy programs. Here's the thing people. We all spend a ton of money on our kids soccer, right or wrong who knows, but as long as it keeps them from playing field hockey it's worth it to me ! One last thought .......never mind it was a statistic.
Didn't galaxy beat barons 3-0? Why are the barons in the top bracket, should be rage
Nice for you to sneeze at $1500 bucks. Field hockey is all right. One sport where height is a disadvantage instead of an advantage.
That's $1500 per child. Unless your little princess is the only child in the fam playing, its at least $3000 or more.
Estimated costs to play ECNL:$6K to $10K
Can anyone explain why FC Maximus gu12, a top team, wouldn't embrace the opportunity to be part of a top club in world class? They could keep their top trainer and I'm sure take at least half the spots on the ecnl team. Why are is the team leaving to join an inferior club? The combination of the current world class players and FC Maximus players would make for a superb team. Sounds like a disservice to the players.
Too much money and too much travel.
If a player wants to play for the WC ECNL team why not try out for the team and join it?
6K to 10K a year to play in the ECNL?! I had no idea. I guess my daughter is out. Have to look at other options. I'd never be able to afford that. Wouldn't NPL be the same cost? Coaching/trainer fees, league fees, and travel costs? FC Maximus is an awesome team by themselves. Why would they go to World Class if they would expect that they'd try and break their team apart? I love the competition we get when playing them. And never any problems with the parents.
We've played WC u12 Red Storm a few times. Always a mess. We played them last year and it wasn't really much competition. They were a great team 3 years ago but have fallen off the cliff since. My husband almost got in a fight with one of their parents because some dads were congratulating their goalie for a good effort in a lopsided defeat, and they thought we were out of line. They are almost as bad as some Long island team parents. When is the last time you ever saw a great beloved kid that belonged to a nightmare parent? you want great kids, get rid of nightmare parents. serious, when is the last time you read some nice positive post about WC? I almost want to sit in my car when we play them so i dnt have to hear their loudmouth dads flapping their gums.
any great games going on this weekend?
is there a list somewhere of clubs that apply for ECNL status and rejected and reasons why? do clubs get an answer why they are rejected so they can go correct those deficiencies? its it just at the whim of the league commissioner and whether he wants to upset the big names in the league already? i read a lot about "so and so club applied and got rejected". some times the the so and so clubs are good. maybe not the best, but id imagine some of their squads can take on some of the ecnl teams. just curious how that all works if someone knows. thhank you.
PDA have the last say in NJ in terms of who becomes ECNL and who doesn't, and of course they don't want other clubs being in the ECNL.So here is a good topic, what are the best clubs right now for girls at all age groups (not just U12)? Let's take PDA out of the discussion.
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