Does anybody know any good overnight soccer camps in the summer? Seems like lots of colleges have camps. Would probably be a good experience for the girls if a few friends go together, right? Anybody know any good ones?
Red bulls runs a girls only camp that's good. Four days at peddie school usually, it requires a tryout. Rutgers runs two different overnight girls camps. All pda coaches so the board will jump on it and say its a joke. Lol. Truthfully, the training was good but the overnights were boring and the food was blah. In the Berkshires there is a nice overnight girls camp with good training and fun for girls as well.
1:02pm -The person who is mocking the wc coach on this blog is a real fool (we know who you are). Are you jealous because he got his team to be #1 in the nation? He is an effective coach and you have NO right to berate him because of your insecurities. Your daughter will never make it with him as a coach. So take your baby back to rec soccer and crawl back in your hole!
Is it ok to complement a player or coach on this board? Does that ever happen?
Nope! It's all about jealousy. Very sad. I do have to say if the WC coach had any common courtesy he would have told the parents of the girl that left NJX to finish out the spring season. Again that's the right thing to do.
Somebody from Middletown is getting a lot of blame for njx comments. I make some that he or she is getting blamed for, I just can't stand the blog comments from them over the past few years, so I make comments to see the response. I could give you a hint of what team my daughter plays for, but not yet. As for the girl that left for spring, congrats, huge step up and take it when you can. Tons of people leave at this time. Can't wait to play you guys against and watch the frantic sideline pacing - the stress makes me laugh watching you.
Pal if that's what gets you excited I feel bad for you!
First of all, I'm not your pal. And who calls someone pal? Why are you on this blog? You have no issues? Not that you have anything to do with NJX, but when people talk a big game and then crash and burn, human nature eats it up... Have you ever played against them? Or are you a troller from an older blog? funny to watch the parents run up and down the sideline - you would know if you daughter played this age group.
They are 11 year old girls.. Run with them. Life's too short..
When do the draws for the pda spring kickoff tournament get posted?
does anyone know when the state futsal schedule is posted?
1:02 said "Not a single player was cut at that time, and no one form the original group at u8 has been cut to this day."Is this why a MF coach has taken over at NJX?
Best thing that could happen to NJX. Especially for those that want to play at a higher level.
How come NJX is getting a new coach? Didn't they already have a top coach?Don't you think if the new NJX coach wants a top-flight competitive team, he/she will have to hold open tryouts? Then Holmdel will have a first team (NJX) and a second team playing as a Holmdel "town" club. All the girls will still have a place to play. And I think Holmdel has a u12 girls team in the top flight in MOSA, so they're not too shabby.
NJX has a MFA coach now. He's looking for a few new girls. All is good.
Why? Thought someone said only one player left.
Was the NJX "top coach" cut?
NJX coach was not cut. Please only post if you have the facts.
All you MF hopefuls be careful what you wish for...this is what is trending on the older blog, "MF npl, players quit yes and players that are still there don't want to be. Didn't want to jump ship mid year. Players are also playing for the ecnl team and the npl team. Lots of anomosity. Bad bad situation. Good thing they have 4 teams to pull from. Soon it will be down to 2 teams all up north. Complete opposite of what was promised." Good luck with this organization...seems its losing players and reputation! So sad!
@ 10:28 Why wouldn't it be okay to play NPL and ECNL games? PDA does the same thing with their top players. More soccer is better for the girls who want it. Nothing wrong with that. The only parents that will come on here talking bad about the top academies in NJ are the parents of the girls who are not the top few players of their teams. period.
Wutta ya think...Maximus Back2Back NJ Indoor state cups?
Funny Post - Indoor State Cup! That's a riot for a team still playing 8v8.
Indoor State Cup is practice, warm uo for spring, its not a ranked event.
The upcoming Futsal Tournaments carry more weight than Indoor Cup.
Futsal doesn't carry weight either. It is useful only to work on footwork and quickness. Spring counts.
State Indoor Cup is a joke Mr G Maximus - only like 6 teams even play in it. Whatever floats your boat. See what happens when you go large sided. All about rankings, points and recruiting for a rogue team.
State Indoor is good warm up as long as quality teams participate similar to any winter league. It all comes down to who enters tournament and league games. Same goes for futsal. There is always benefit playing quality teams.To move into spring the US Club Sanctioned State Cup will be interesting. Surprise's me that so many town level teams enter it.
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I hear most are loving the new MF coach. Some parents although are worried there kids won't make it with MF. Unfortunately that's soccer . Now some parents on NJX will realize that there kids are not all that.
So true! My daughters team plays them and there are a few. You got a mixture over there. Some don't pass,one girls I noticed yells at her teammates and never looks up. There defense does well and there's a very good outside mid. She sees the field well and should really think about moving on. Just my opinion.
@3:18 HAHAHA..only one who is a joke is yourself. I knew that would get your panties in a bunch that's why I wrote it...Calling 11 and 12 yr old girls playing a sport they love to get better in a tournament is a joke. haha...only joke here is you
@8:20 - The 3:18 post He was referring to the Indoor State Cup as a joke not the girls themselves. Please take your sensitivity down a little bit. As for NJX/MF posts. Glad to hear the team is staying together and change is mostly good especially truly talented girls on that team want to continue playing at a high level the next several years.
@10:29 ...all goes hand in hand. It's funny, if your club doesn't play in a tounry it's a joke I guess. I even see PDA in some age groups in the indoor cup. Kids playing competitive soccer- that my friend isn't a joke.
What happened to NJX's coach? Did she quit?
My daughter showed this to me. We haven't played against her or her team but would love to get the chance:www.youtube.com/channel/UCaXAIe5Au_YA6sZQCiN-EFg
NJX coach did not quit. She had told her team that it was hard to manage with her HS teams schedule. She did not leave them high and dry. She was willing to work it out until they found someone which they did.
"Is this why a MF coach has taken over at NJX?Was the NJX "top coach" cut?What happened to NJX's coach? Did she quit?"Do you want her phone number? She's a lot older than the girls you usually obsess about. She's probably too old for your taste. Shes older than 13.
Wonder why I haven't been on this board in over a month....figured I'd check in but see 12 yr old girls being trash talked about....sad
Very sad how everyone can hide behind this blog. These are 11 and 12 year old girls. Why attack children who aren't able to defend themselves. You must be a weak and feeble individual. BTW if you have a pair go up to the dad and introduce yourself to him. I"m sure he would love to meet you. Sit back and think how you are trying to to rip apart little girls. BIG MAN
Well said 9:29! Talking big on the blogs, then sitting meekly on the sidelines. Go up to the parents you have an issue with and tell them to their faces. Trolls.
So you are supportive of a sideline confrontation? Oh yeah. That is just what these kids need to see. We have played NJX. I know what dad you are talking about. I would feel bad for the girl who has been on 5 teams. Daddy never happy.
There is no such player on the team. Nice try troll.
What is very funny that no one is even talking about is how next session (fall) all these teams will be completely different. The soccer Federation is forcing US Club to switch to Calendar year teams starting in September. That would mean either your teams will have to split up or play a year up. Going to be a lot of moving going on so enjoy the last season together
Let's get back on track here people, the blog is supposed to be used to communicate and share thoughts of the never ending changes in the soccer landscape. On that Note: Can someone that has been through college recruitment and experience explain how a Freshman can Commit so early. I know signing is not done until Jr./Sr. year but I just saw a Freshman expected Grad-2018 commit to NC and is published.
1:04pm. Do you have a website link to that information?
It's mostly talk right now probably wont happen until our U12 girls hit U14/15. This would take a great deal of changing throughout the U.S. plus many teams can revert back is stay U.S. Youth carded. If ECNL was smart they would do it by grade vs. calendar year so it aligns itself with recruiting. Link:GIRLS DA announced.Birth Year programming.http://equalizersoccer.com/2015/01/30/uswnt-youth-development-plans-academy-residency-ncaa-nwsl-training/#disqus_thread
The person with all the info abou tNJX must be pretty close to the team more than just playing them once or twice a year. As far as a confrontation in front of children I agree not a good thing but calling out 12 yr old girls. Classless!!!!!!!!!!!
I've personally never understood the argument for birth year. I would be shocked if USSF mandated this for at least 4-5 more years time (if ever). The aim for the vast majority of players who are playing at even the highest level is college. So playing per grade with everyone graduating the same year makes far more sense.The very few who are good enough to play for the National team are spotted early enough and taken to camps with other similar players. They are usually part of 1 of the best teams in their state and get the chance to train with the older teams in their club etc. So the need to change the whole system to benefit the 0.005% of players seems ludicrous.I like this topic though for a discussion. Thoughts anyone?
@1:08 regarding verbal commit. If you go on campus to visit coaches, they can make you an offer. Generally anyone who commits frosh or soph year is a full ride. It is only verbal and holds more weight for the school than it does for the athlete. If a school gets a rep for making verbals and changing their mind, it will hurt them with other recruits. It can be a risk if the coaching staff gets fired, so you should definitely have a second school just in case. FYI my daughter committed as a soph to RU and it has worked out just great.
I though the boys side and the europeans use two year age groupings. In my somewhat limited experience, this would be great. Whether birth year or school year, one year is too narrow a window to accommodate the rage of abilities and speed of development in a group of kids. In any case, the age cut off is arbitrary wherever it is set. the stronger players can always play up if they need to.
Feb 5-3:38pm - sjeb U12 definitely has it together as a team. This just goes to show that a team of this caliber can pass with precision and have excellent field vision and playing tactics. If your u12 team is just a kick and run team, with too many ball hogs, no passing skills and no field vision it will be very difficult to compete with the elite U12 teams. If your daughter is a good player it's time to move on, she will NEVER develop from a team that kicks and runs. Some coaches/team managers are selling the idea U12 girls cannot learn tactics and passing technics at this age; sjeb is there! It’s called poor coaching and training! The longer your daughter plays on a kick and run team, the longer it will take for her to learn how to play REAL soccer! And it may be too late for her. The U12 teams for 2015 are getting more sophisticated then some may think. It’s also important to have your daughter in a competitive environment that will teach her tactics and passing techniques. Ultimately, to have a great team like sjeb the team MUST bring in great talent and cut low level players that cannot contribute to the success of the team. If you want to compete competitively the PLAY-DATE is over!
2;56The aim for ussf is to identify players in accordance with the age groupings as it is done around the world.The USSF could care less about college. In fact as per the article college is more of a hindrance than a benefit for those players.The USSF is also over-run with politics. would it surprise you that very Daddy coach sends their daughters to these training centers no matter the level of talent,Talent is not necessarily spotted early. on girls side, around 14-16 is when you can start to see the elite player.Just because your daughter is an elite player at 12, does not mean she will be an elite player at 15.
11:52 I disagree with you. You can tell who is athletic at a young age. If at 12 child is not athletic the chances of her becoming athletic is slim. Yes, being an elite player at 12 would most likely be an elite player at age 14. You can't teach athleticism and speed. It comes natural and you can see it at a young age. You are miss informed.
Natural ability is only one piece of the puzzle. Discipline, motivation, work ethic, interest level, and a players mental game are all important to success at a high level in sports. A player can have good instruction, good competition, etc. but no one can learn to play the game well for them. They can only do that for themselves.
Age cut offs would not have any effect on a truly elite player. They are likely playing up out of their age group anyway.
3:11.11;52 here.my dog is a great athlete but she will never be a great soccer player.I think you are concentrating too much on athleticism.You incorrectly compare an athletic player to un athletic player and that is your measure as to whether or not you can identify talent. This is too simplistic and it is what parents do all the time. The adage of watching a fast girl with a big kick out run other players on the pitch or someone who tackles hard and runs down a player must be a great soccer player -right?In order to make it a bit clearer- let us compare the athletically gifted to the athletically gifted.Now tell me - how would you determine who will be the elite player and who is just a fast tough girl on the pitch.There are two qualities that will help you determine when looking at both athletic players1 )IQ on and especially off the ball. A well trained eye can spot this but usually it manifest itself at around 13-15 of age.2)Touch and composure under pressure.Does the player simply run with the ball and take space when she can or does the player see other options- more advanced options and finally does the player change the rhythm of the game just by slowing up the pace in a frantic game when two elite teams are going at each other.Never confuse athleticism with being an elite player and never only compare athletic players vs non athletic players in determining a players value.You'll find I am not misinformed and am not your average parent.Soccer Nut
Soccer nut, would you care to comment on the clubs in north jersey. Say from pda north location to all the way up north, say as far as world class location. Also sorry if repeat , so much information on here , your feelings on ecnl vs npl/edp. Much appreciated. Yours is a reasoned coherent voice in the chaos.
Perhaps I can help you with a more specific question as I am loathed to compare clubs and leagues. This usually starts a blog frenzy as parents rightfully jump to defend the economic descision they have made for their children.Also my opinion is just that, It would be based on how I would spend my dollars for the welfare of my kids.Soccer Nut
Jersey has a unique structure with so many different tournaments and teams. A majority of these teams have inflated GotSoccer points. Is this good or bad? It's neither. Just an indicator that they have had some 'success' along the way.Should success be measured by wins and GotSoccer points? Absolutely not. Every coach will stress development, but whether or not that is actually happening is up to the parent/player to figure out.PDA Galaxy is probably the top of the food chain in NJ. After that, SJEB and RUSH Wildcats are right up there. Holmdel and PDA Nova are nice teams. RAGE Renegades and SDFC have been playing 8v8, so have to see how they adjust and if they have the depth to succeed at 11v11.Player movement will be fast and furious at these ages. Some will be tempted by PDA/ECNL, but there will be those players who aren't getting enough minutes at PDA that will go to another club to get more opportunities.Players from Philly and NY may wind up on PDA teams. And vice versa. Jersey girls looking for ECNL experience that cannot crack the PDA Galaxy squad will find equal opportunity at either FC Bucks, CFC ,or Penn Fusion in PA East. All depends on location, driving time, and expectations.Sadly enough, much will change two years down the road. And when looking back, there will be regrets of would of, could of, should of.For me, #1 factor is not wins/ECNL/scholarship. It's that my child enjoys the game. When you have like minded players, like minded parents, and a coach that can harness that and teach them possession soccer, then you can succeed and bypass very good teams that are a collection of indiviudal talent.Very sad to hear that SJEB girls are trying out at ECNL clubs. If there was one club that I though could succeed outside of ECNL, I thought it might be them.
Soccer nut talk to any veteran soccer coach with more than 30 years of experience who has seen players develop into elite soccer players will tell you that, "players are athletes first and then they can explode into an elite soccer player". The beauty of soccer is that it’s a complex game where the possibilities are endless. Your proficiency in soccer not only depends on your skills on the soccer ball, but also on your ability to read the game, make quick decisions, and communicate with your teammates. No matter how crisp your dribbling, shooting, and passing skills may be, it’s all useless without an understanding of strategy - knowing where to pass the ball, when to dribble, and just a general understanding of the game.
@7:43am - SDFC has been playing 11v11 and Rage will be playing 11v11come spring based on the posted league brackets. Curious how you know the details that players from SJEB are trying out for ECNL teams? You must have inside info. How about PDA shore I hear it's not working well in Tom's River.
@7:46It sounds like S nut is assuming the athletic part is a given but how do you separate from there.Parents seem to justify little susie's soccer prowess on the pitch by comparing an athlete vs a non athlete.He wants you to compare the athlete to the athlete.
to Soccer Nut at 9:30 - right now it's not about economics. Kid playing at higher level local club now for 3x fall/spring, 2x winter, tournaments in summer as well etc, so cost is already approaching or equal to other clubs (just no travel outside of NJ yet).it's time to leave, but don't want to make the wrong decision. PDA seems like too much - I could be wrong - no expectations about playing in college, would be nice but not a must as academics are #1 priority...but would consider. Would only make the B team if at all. That leaves for us geographically STA TSF SDFC. WC and Crush are really too far to manage. Looking for good coaching, good teammates, good playing time. Help a clueless parent out :), thanks!
@12: 10I am not sure what you mean by higher level local club. Perhaps you mean an A flighted Morris county or Bergen County team.If your desire is for your child to have fun and learn the game correctly, including technical work, then you need to look at the coach and not the club.I would look at Coach, teammates and the professional environment created by that specific team.My answer will surprise you for this age group because the team at u12 is a solid A but the club is a C plus.But the secret is out for parents that do their homework. My understanding is that pre-ECNL starters train with this coach during the winter sessions.Do you have an Idea of which team i am talking about?Soccer NutIt is the coach and group of girls assembled that make this team a Jewel.If you change the coach then I would change my mind about the team
Coach is always very important factor. Finding a teacher that is the right match for a kid is the key to inspired learning for many skills.
Soccer nut, I wish I had a clue which club or team you were referring to , but remember , I am clueless parent ! Can you say ? Please :) By higher level town, yes Morris co first flight /jags. Thx again. Ps I get what you are saying about the coach being the biggest factor, but often they leave or move to diff age. Then what ? Shouldn't the overall club have some bearing ?
So posters are saying its easier to teach foot skills at older ages than athleticism? What in the heck have I been paying for all these years?
@3:38Yes, there is some truth to that -As good solid clubs CAN have a certain level of coach. If the coach leaves, another can move in and you would at least (you hope) have a minimum standard of coaching.I personally have made it a point to choose the coach, like i choose my doctors, I don't choose the practice but the specific physician in the practice.)I acknowledge that others may think differently. So for me choosing a club at this age just because you have more of a chance to get at least an average standard is just not good enough.I want the best I can find for my daughter.- But yes, you always run the risk of the coach leaving. In my situation it has been pretty long term and when there was an occasion to leave, we simply followed the coach. This may be different from the showcasing years. Depending on what club your daughter plays forThe specific physician I would choose at this age group in the North wouldAviv . You can look up his team as they are in top ten on Got Soccer( which of course, the ranking has no bearing in my recommendation)Soccer NutPS.Depending on the level of your daughter, there are others that I would recommend:Tom @STALarry @PDAare good solid choicesBut Aviv may be what you are looking for
Aviv coaches a team where his star player already plays for another team. He is good but she was developed by someone else. Also, is it that easy to get on his team? Aren't there other options apart from the top three teams that someone can go to? Because your choices seem unlikely for a player coming up from town.
Thanks soccer nut . To be honest that's geographically difficult. Some might say that we aren't dedicated then but the constraints of our lives do factor and I'm being honest. I guess to make my question more specific, geographically possible for us besides pda are sta tsf sdfc. That's about it unless there is something I don't know about. Thoughts welcome, thank you.
8:39pm. You have listed the only teams in Northern NJ worth considering. I have also heard good things about Tom @STA and Larry @PDA.My suggestion if you are truly interested in finding a good coach is to reach out to the teams and try and train with them, it might give you a good indication as to what the coaching is actually like. Attending tryouts at all these teams won't show you what the coaching is like, it will just give you a glimpse of the quality of players in attendance.
8;28A good talented player coming up from town has a chance to make any of these teams.Especially a team that is going from 8vs 8 to 11 v11But of course it depends on the player.If you are looking for a "bridge team" with good technical coach then I would consider a gentlemen at the stallions named Danny.This team is not of the quality but has a good solid technical coach and the coach is truly trying to teach the game of soccer.8;39You seem close to STA and that would seem like a no brainer but i assume you either don't like the team or you may be having some doubts as to whether or not your daughter may make this team?Soccer Nut.If i would choose the order of teams that I would look at for my daughter assuming she did not want to play in college but wanted to play in high school then i would choose the following in this order.AVIVTomDanny.
Also please note that Me not mentioning anything about TSF or SDFC has very little to with whether or not I dislike the organization. My choices always have to do with the best coaches and never the organization.Good Luck to youSoccer Nut
Danny @ stallions a screamer that I wouldn't recommend. Good foot skils, but that's about all.
Aviv a decent trainer from what I've heard at Max, but players rotate in and out of there....heard only like 3 still there from 2 yrs ago......not sure the reason besides a couple obvious ones.
lots of north talk, for those of you in the south looking for a true viable option in our neck of the woods, coach John from the Nova currently has over 15 girls playing Division 1 soccer. An impressive number by anyone's standards.
As you can see not very many coaching options in Northern New Jersey but those four seemed to be pretty decent choices considering what you have to deal with
@February 9, 2015 at 3:14 PM"Coach is always very important factor. Finding a teacher that is the right match for a kid is the key to inspired learning for many skills."COULDN'T AGREE MORE!! FINALLY FOUND THAT OUT. HOPE IT'S NOT TO LATE.
Looks like FC Rage Renegades are playing-up (u13) this weekend in Wildwood. I have to say that I think its a huge mistake. This is not the type of tournament that you just play-up because you are a very good u12 team, as you will see. The teams you are going to be playing against, are tough, skilled, and all business.
While the coach is absolutely an important ingredient to reaching full potential, it is my opinion that we should not dismiss the quality of the players around them during training.While a coach can help a player with their individual skills, they need quality players around them to better understand positioning, tactics, marking, etc. Otherwise, it may be that much harder to finally 'fit' into another team when you find one.
Soccer Nut, I must have missed it from previous comments. Do you have a daughter in this age group?
@12:23. There are few teams that are 12 playing up U13 in Wildwood. Futsal is totally different game then outdoors, game is very technically driven. The U12 teams will be fine playing U13. ~Futsal Nut
@February 10, 2015 at 12:26 PM TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID AS WELL. FROM NOW ON MOVING FORWARD, I'M FOCUSING ON MY DAUGHTER AND NOT WHAT OTHER COACHES AND/OR PARENTS TRY AND CONVINCE ME TO DO WITH MY CHILD. I HAVE TO PLACE HER IN AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS BEST FOR HER DEVELOPMENT AND WHERE SHE IS IN AN ENVIRONMENT WITH OTHERS LIKE HER.
FN,Indeed, it should be technically drive, I agree. But having been there, I can tell you that although the officials are really good, and call it by the book, some teams take advantage of their size, in futsal you get 5 fouls until you get a free-kick, and the really futsal teams use that perfectly. Not to say that they are not quick and creative, its just life. TBH: its not you or me out there, its your kid, and my kid. Please explain what is to be gained by playing-up in such a competitive event? Why not play at age, and improve your chances of placing, or winning?
Sounds like soccer nut has a daughter playing in this age group and has experience with at least 5 teams. And she is only 11. Not sure I want his advice.
fyi, u12 and u13 schedules are the same teams just listed under both age groups
1:28Do you have any coaches to add to the list?
Yes the Wildwood Futsal Tournament does not allow two of the same team in each age bracket. So they place teams in upper age level to accommodate. Remember that's the business side and it's $$$ to the tournament.
Does anyone know the academy pricing for done if the soccer academies in NJ. Trying to get a "fee compare" and determine what the monthy fees cover. PDA / MatchFit / NJ Wildcats. As a parent this would be valuable information in helping determine a possible academy for a player. Seeking U12-U15 Girl pricing
Does anyone know the academy pricing for done if the soccer academies in NJ. Trying to get a "fee compare" and determine what the monthy fees cover. PDA / MatchFit / NJ Wildcats. As a parent this would be valuable information in helping determine a possible academy for a player. Seeking U12-U15 Girl pricing
8:41 Most Academy's can range from 2000-3000 as a base. There are extra cost's with additional tournaments not within the budget or winter futsal or indoor. Remember there is a business side for everything in youth sports. There has been occasion where playing for free based on there talent level and the coach's offset it with increasing overall budget or picking up an extra player to offset that free player.
After smoking 3-4 players with her wicked ball skills, my daughters ponytail starts getting in her eyes and blocking her vision. It makes beating that 5th player difficult. Any suggestions?
Make sure to make a you tube video of her for college coaches at 12 years old.
Instead of smoking 3 or 4 players perhaps your daughter should use her wicked skills to pass to one of her wicked teammates or lift her head from staring at the court and that way her pony tail would be behind her and not in her eyes! Just sayin...
11:44 cut her hair shorter
Bald beats skills everday
Whoever is writing that about smoking 3 or 4 players is not being serious. Goodness.
Soccer Nut is a team funding parent that has a vested interest in his trainer and team for the benefit of his daughter. Burned through so many players that needs this board to recruit enough good players to go 11v11. Guessing by reading his opinions has not developed anyone past U12 to have any credibilitly. Soccer Nut - your comments and opinions about athleticism and speed are a bit off. Obviously proves your lack of experience. Having developed players into college and beyond, skills can be taught, but athleticism can not. Take Rebecca Jarrett for example. Athletic and fast, invited to national team tryouts. Plenty of girls with more technical skill then her around but her potential is greater. Top trainers and coaches identify that. I am guessing you are defending your investment to try and develop either your own daughter or other young girls that have mediocre athleticism and speed. I am sure you are somewhat knowledgable and most likely doing a great thing for a bunch of girls that love the game and that should be commended. Hence Soccer Nut. However you should limit your opinion to what you know. All players must be developed, and it is possible to help kids reach their maximum potential, but great players have to be great athletes.
8 v 8 State Cup brackets. Should be a tough road to the Quarterfinals. For most it simply meant registering:http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=457048&tclass=Girls%20U12%208v8
are the 11v11 brackets out yet?
Congrats to Maximus U12G - NJ Indoor State Cup Champs! Back2Back
11:33I believe you have me confused with someone else.You sound like a knowledgeable parent with a grudge of some sort.I mentioned 4 trainers to be specific- not just one.As far as my knowledge of the game and my affiliation- you assume way too much.And you should never mention a child's name on this Blog.Also as most parents do. You seem to always frame your argument around the exception to every rule.The girl you mentioned is not just a good athlete playing soccer, She is a great athlete that has trained technically for many years and was past over many times in the ID process during her younger years.The more technical players were ID first.( All those girls that were not as athletic) but still athletes in their own right.She finally got her chance and she made the most of it.Good for her!Don't ever point to the exception to frame your argument- Please stick to comparing the very good athletes with the very good athletes and then compare them technically. You would be a lot more truthful to the parents on this blog as they would then assume if equal in above average athletic ability, what else will I need to go to the next level.Soccer Nut.
SDFC didnt win Indoor State Cup? At least we won't have to listen to them on the blog.
state cup brackets are up:http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=457048
Wasn't there a blogger on here last year swearing that nearly all NJ teams were going 8v8 or the state league was requiring all teams to go 8v8 for this year? What happened? That 8v8 bracket is a joke.
I wonder if the 8v8 teams will automatically get GS points again for playing in bracket where there are not enough teams to play a preliminary round?
Yes, because 12 yr olds developing and getting more touches is a joke. It's funny....when people mention 8v8 I hear joke, etc. But why? Back it up with opinions
I don't think anyone said 8v8 is a joke. Having a "State Cup" where just entering means you make the "quarterfinals" and racking up GS points for winning 2 games against questionable teams is a joke.
I agree. But how else can it be done?It's only for 1 yr in this transition period at U12 where some tms are playing 8v8 and some 11v11. But there has been plenty of times on this board where 8v8 gets bashed.
For so few teams playing 8v8, there should probably not be a bracket at all. Just signing up and making it to qtr finals is silly and detracts from the tourny - a qtr finalist in 11v11 has to actually work to make it there. To late now but I think there should be a minimum # participating to allow for a bracket to be formed. There's no way points or any other significance should be assigned when you get to the qtrs just by entering.
For current U11s next year there is a movement to keep them at 8v8. Not a done deal, but most of the feeder leagues will be 8v8 at U12 next year. They are looking at a larger field for 8v8 at U11/U12. PDA is already at 11v11, but how it takes will depend on what the other clubs do. One trend you will see is clubs fielding larger teams and playing both.
I firmly do not believe in staying 8v8 at U12. Makes no sense to be playing on 8v8 fields for 4 years U8-U12. The feeder leagues only want to stay 8v8 to help coaches retain teams/players so they don't lose them to one of the top level programs like PDA or for $$$ two 8v8teams will bring more revenue vs. one 11v11 team. Touches, technical, decision making process occurs in practice that's where the value is. Starting at U12 they need to start learning 11v11 formations & tactics to prepare them for high school, in which probably 99% of the girls on U12 teams will be playing at U14/15. 2years @U12/U13 playing 11v11 will help prepare them for high school and eventually other high level games in ECNL/NPL leagues. If these so called feeder leagues move to 8v8 at U12 that leaves only 1 full year of 11v11 @U13 before any of the girls below the current U12 group hit U14/highschool/ECNL/NPL Leagues.
FYI....Max U12 girls won the U13 cup as well....
FC Maximus poster who cares about indoor Cup U12 or U13. Like someone posted before the Regional futsal Tournament in Wildwood had a lot more value and had talented players/teams from up and down the region.
Stop hating....start crying
Then come to the big leagues and play 11v11 in state cup and league play then we'll see who will be crying and hearing everyone else laugh.
So the big league is U-12, 11 V 11 girls soccer? This is sad. They are kids, let them play, if they are good enough they will advance.
Exactly....this guy is a CLOWN!
The feeder leagues don't care about losing teams and players. Love the experts here. Playing small sided as long as possible is universally accepted internationally and US Soccer is moving that way as well.
US Women's soccer has been successful the past decade and half, it's the men's side that has struggled. The current WMNT players have played 11v11 probably since they were 12 years old and the WMNT has been doing fine the past 15+ years. Don't change it if it's not broke. Yes I see the world is catching up but that's because the world is getting more involved that's normal when countries determine they want to more athletes involved in certain sports same has happened in the basketball over the past 2 decades and technology. How come they do not change the size of a football field, or hockey rink, or basketball court. We can't follow what the world has been doing. I think more quality training and continuing education of coaches from all levels youth to college will be more important than worrying about 8v8 field size at U12. Don't you think if teams practice more in a quality environment it will benefit kids more than games?
^^^^^No words. Incredible ignorance!
Ignorance Please! Okay why has PDA teams been so successful it's not because they stay 8v8 it's because of the quality of training they provide, and the amount of talent across the board on each team where players are challenging each other day in and day out. They are a name brand in the soccer world now. Even there top U11 team is playing 11v11. Games are just a benefit on weekend to make parents happy there kids are on a on winning team. It's the training and practices that add value to a child's development and majority of PDA's coaches have a lot of qualifications to proceed them.
The powers that be are trying to change the youth system in the US. It is broken.Clubs like PDA do very little to develop the creative talented player, they produce robots for the most part that play within the team frame work.The extremely talented player that plays for PDA gets their training at other venues as well and use PDA as a team base. nothing more.PDA's training sessions are small sided as this mimics the 8vs8 system. They get kudos for that at least. Other clubs don't even bother to do this correctly.The best training environment for maximum touches is the 5 vs 5 play which creates the diamond pattern on the field and facilities shape , maximum touches , movement and support. Although PDA are highly branded, their system does very little to produce the next Marta.But is very effective in teaching the girls to pass the ball around the field.
Marta and those like her didn't come to be because they played 8v8 vs. 11v11. She didn't come about because she played 5v5. For the most part they were born of unstructured free play - in their neigborhoods, playgruonds, etc.. Not what the US is set up for at all.
@12:13 - Total agree. Marta came from passion and pure abilities. not an organized youth system. It's something that many of our kids have at such a young age but lose it when the trying to win factor of playing 8v8,11v11 games. Per the statement above continued education of coaches or parents is very beneficial. Also U.S. youth is not broke it's just not evolving with the pressure of what other countries are trying to do. Per the poster stating PDA produces robots that was ignorance and isn't passing the largest aspect in a successful player development. You have No Clue!
Oh good a debate. You must be a pda parent. From the moment of training at u8 at pda. The girls are encouraged to take minimal touches and get rid of the ball. Individual possession and creativity is discouraged. How many times do they say to a 7 year old. Too many touches. Too many touches. How in the world does one foster creativity if at 7 they have to get rid of it as soon as they can. It is you that is a bit naive.
Yes a good debate! At least this blog has debates vs. the older age groups where it is more pointing fingers. No I'm not being Naïve because on there is only a small % of girls that can truly hang onto the ball and be creative during a game the majority of the other girls are being taught the fundamentals and more doesn't passing equate to more touches for the entire team.I guess PDA is teaching in a team environment vs. your club teaches the 1 or 2 girls to hang onto the ball and play with it. How is that developing the other 15/16 girls on the team. Being creative is for the freestyle type players on youtube. The WMNT has been successful because of the amount of passing and possession keeping they have vs. the one Marta player system.
If we are talking about developing players to play at their highest potential (regardless of gender) then you have to look how the biggest clubs in the world develop players. And i will tell you this, it's not by playing 11v11 at 11 and 12 years old.Some of you may have heard of a coach named Rene Meulensteen,, widely recognized as one of the best Youth Coaches in the World. Thie quote below taken from an interview (link also below) sums up the situation here in the US. And bare in mind he was talking about the best Manchester United boys players at U12. Not the best U12 girls players in NJ."By the time they are 12, they are ready to enter 11-a-side."http://www.powersoccer.ca/articles.php?aid=21
Well 12:52We disagree. At u8 no player should be put in a box and be taught the virtues of getting rid of the ball as quickly as you can.. There is plenty of time for this as the girls learn to be extremely comfortable on the ball. And yes this will mean that girls at the younger ages will hold a little more than they should and they will experiment by taking on a player or two more than they should but i am a big believer of creative technical skills and extreme comfort on the ball. This is not the PDA model.( please don't confuse comfort on the ball with 20 minute ball skill drills as a warmupYou mention the women's national team as if they set the standard in the possession game. That has never been their strong suit. (athleticism is the current model)Did you catch their 2-0 loss just recently. They had trouble keeping the ball under pressure.The problem with teaching our young ladies not to be comfortable in tight spaces and discourage creativity by putting these players in defined roles is that they become very mechanical - except for the player or two that is allowed to be the floor generals on the team-usually it's the midfielders at PDA.Also please don't assume that my daughter plays for some club that encourages "hog" ball.I actually might be a parent on your side lines.
comment made at 2:38 was meant for 1:34
I think there's some common ground to be found in this debate. The best soccer is played when the ball moves strategically around the field probing for the right mismatch or lane to exploit. That's the passing component the best teams and individual players must master. Maintaining possession through passing is difficult when facing pressure and it must be developed as a skill set over time through the right sort of training sessions and game philosophy. Having said that, in the absence of individual creativity and individual dribbling skill sets teams can't break down defenses in the final third. It often comes down to possession for possession sake rather than possession for scoring sake. I see that all the time. Teams often keep the ball but can't create scoring opportunities in proportion to their possession statistics.Creative individuality within a team possession standard is the "special sauce" MOST teams lack. Barcelona is fun to watch because they possess the ball but they've always got those special individuals that know when to turn on/off the dribble or lofted/chipped pass in the final third.We can't look at possession vs individuality. We must set up training sessions and promote environments which strike the balance between both.
Yes 3;02 but in order to create more players with "special sauce" they must be encouraged to be comfortable and hold at the younger ages- not be trained to pass after two touches...If you don't teach them creativity at the younger ages then when is the right time.It is the development of the special sauce that PDA has sacrificed for team play at the early years
I don't necessarily disagree with that. The question is what can they do differently? It might be as simple as trainers and coaches interjecting during sessions to point out missed opportunities to "take them on" or how about "play this angle" instead. I think they've got the right formula for possession going, but it's time to introduce more creativity.There's a lot of truth to what you're saying and developmentally there's inherent conflict between mastering quick distribution skill sets and mastering individual "special sauce" skill sets. Most top players can be trained to distribute etc but few can develop into those "special sauce" players. We are making great progress as a nation in developing our possession game which will become evident at both the MNT and WMT level over the next 10 years. Getting to the point where we can foster individuality within that may take more time.
3:53.They simply recruit the "special sauce" and add to their other players. Also they do indeed try to develop these type of players as you will find most of them in the attacking midfield or Center Striker position.You will find that these players in these positions have a little more lead way in holding the ball.
Great debate.I just logged on. Catching up with the post from the past few days. Both sides have valid points.This is what i see is wrong with soccer developmentin the US.It will always be a game of catch up with some of the top teams in the world. Why ?Simple. Creativity comes from kids going out on their own at a very young age playing in the neigboorhood with other soccer loving kids. Tryingmoves on their own. Taking chances, not worrying about turning the ball over etc...Example: Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan played streetball / pick basketball with other basketball loving kids in their neighborhood. No coaches, no structure just raw creativity. That's why the US dominated for so many years.Same goes for the top players in the world of soccer. Messi, Naymar, Ronoldo,Marta,ozil etc.....All played street ball with no structure. That's where creativity started from. Sure when they got a bit older they joined the pro / academy teams.Which had coaching & structure. A good coach can blend both and not douse the fire in that creativeplayer.MFA,PDA & the other top clubs do a great job of coaching our young soccer loving kids. Why is it a game of catch up......Well my daughter does not have any soccer crazedkids in the neighborhood. They all play mutiple sports. So she has to wait 3 times a week to get with her likeminded teamates to try out her movesand try to be creative. Well the rest of the world is dong it daily. What's the next best thing. I tell herif you want to be great. It's up to you to work on your own game.Well this is what is happening across the US on both the women's & mens side. You can't teach creativity. It's developed naturally. By u12 it might be to late. Just ny two cents.
@3:57 - Well said! Thus the reason why U.S. doesn't produce great men's soccer teams it's not the many kids first sport of choice and not enough free play in local communities like many other countries. Like the poster that mentioned "U.S. is not broken it's just the other world is just getting more involved" is very well said. Our Youth system is great to a point but it's about the girls/boys themselves having passion to play and be creative daily. 5v5/7v7/8v8/11v11 those are just games for the business world the true development is what 3:57 said is when a girl get's with her likeminded teams during the week to explore and work on things. I personally feel my daughter get a lot more out of friendly's vs. actual real games and tournaments.
Well said? First off- who the hell is Naymar?
Please tell us soccer nut
Naymar plays with Ronoldo
Ummm It's Neymar.....and he doesn't play with Ronaldo
9:07I guess you didn't recognize 10:27's attempt at humor.You know, (the spelling of the names thing. )
Why are the last few posts making fun of spelling this shows how much immaturity is all over this blog. Let's start another debate anyone see the Spring Brackets any thought's? Which bracket seems the strongest and potential outcome?
Lower right bracket has 3 of the 4 state cup semifinalists from the fall - interesting
Yes the other bracket filled with SJ Teams, West Chester, and batch of MD teams look good as well. EDP did a great job mixing up the teams. If you look the Central and South U12 brackets are both giving 9000 GS points. What blows my mind is the 8v8 bracket is still giving 600 GS points.
More crying about 8v8....give it a rest!
Give what a rest playing 8v8. If a team cannot field enough players for 11v11 I completely understand but if your doing it to chase points then that's whole other story. It's not development anymore at this stage when there no other teams to play. 8v8 state cup is a joke teams already are in quarterfinals as their 1st game.
I think you crazies should give it a rest for the weekend. Enjoy non soccer time with your pre-teen daughter and shut the f up.
Nope State Futsal Tournament in North Jersey. No rest this weekend.
Mr.3:44pm, the Sopranos was so yesteryear. masterminds, those in the USA, everyone everywhere says that for the USA to get strong, we need to be playing and training small sided through U14 at minimum. you feel that the only possible reasons to remain small sided are 1, if you dont have numbers for 11v11, 2, to get GS rankings, and further feel that the 8 touches she gets out there over the course of your 70 minute games playing left field on the big football pitch is what will make her the best. thank you for defining what you feel is proper development. I'm sure US Soccer will be calling you shortly for hire.
Is it true NJX/MFA got a new goalie?
Idk, is it? Their keeper was good, why change?
Hope so, they need all the help they can get.
8v8 vs. 11v11 debate is nonsense. You must not be from the U.S.A. that's fine. We have athletes every where here in the states that play other sports and their is nothing wrong with that the Olymipcs and all our 4 major sports in USA show our well known stars. Sorry that your country only has 1 major sport that all the kids flock too. Don't you think if we didn't have all these other sports in the states many of today's athletes would flock to soccer and be more dominant in the world. Girls are getting exposure to other sports as well Lacrosse, basketball, tennis. What parent wouldn't want a multi-player athlete succeeding. The small sided debate is because all the over-sea coaches taking their ideas over here and not understanding our Youth in all our sports. Imagine a Venus & Serena Williams in the soccer world.
Figures someone would make a rude comment about 11/12 year olds.
Mr. Williams would have insisted they play small sided at U12.
Does anyone know anything about Monmouth United?
Never heard of them. Maybe you can see if there are any blogs dedicated to totally irrelevant soccer programs?
some people are so rude. Here is an idea, before you post something so foul and obnoxious, ask yourself how you'd feel if someone was able to finger you for your posts, and they were put up on the US Youth Soccer site as being written by you with your name on it, and your son's name and team beneath it. Ask yourself how your son would feel and if this helps him or hinders him in his soccer efforts. Ask yourself how you'd feel with all your friends and team families knowing it was you who made such derogatory and belittling comments. IF you want your kids to be respectful and tolerate of others, to love the game and respect coaches and players of all levels of talent, it starts with you.
@814. Wow dude. You have issues. I guess you are Luis Sanchez and your child plays for Barcelonas residential program. If not, stand down you idiot. @227. I don't know that program. However, look up the coach for your players age. Attend a few practices. Talk to the parents. Or really listen to the parents. Some will like it and others will complain. And you will undrstand who is reasonable and who is not. Do that and you and your player will be able to understand if she will like it there. Are you coming from a rec/ school program? Or are you moving to the area. There are a numbee of programs in that area.
Monmouth United was St Marys but the church wanted to distance themselves from the travel soccer program because the president of the league is jerkoff. No way I would ever let my kids play for that association.
There are so many negative things written on here, bashing teams, players and coaches...yet someone freaks out about Monmouth United being called irrelevant? I wonder who would be so offended by that. I never even heard of Monmouth United, but apparently the president cited by in the 11:05 post is on here for some odd reason, and posting!
It implies that someone thinks there are some soccer clubs that are somehow "relevant". Soccer is a game, an entertaining diversion at the lowest and highest levels like any sport. World carried on before it existed and will carry on when it is gone. Someone is taking it a little too seriously.
Didn't Jesus start PDA?
LOL! 1:15.Based on what I've read on this board some might say that. Others would say it was the anit-Christ that started it...
No, he tried out but he never made it. He disappeared for 3 days at a time, kept turning away from the ball... the coaches kept finding wine in the water bottles. When it was time to pay the academy fees he said "Take these things away; do not make my Father's sport into a house of trade." He hated the blog. Said "he who is without sin cast the first post". That Lamb never stood a chance.
@ 1:30 - well done!
Blessed are the playmakers . . .
Father, forgive these bloggers, for they do not know what they do.
Ok....I haven't been on here in a couple weeks....looks like I'll stay away for a bit more...haha
@227 we know you the red coch keep goin for gues players to chase gs point you need thm
"@227 we know you the red coch keep goin for gues players to chase gs point you need thm"Someone has some splainin to do?
Lead us not into playing to win, but deliver us from the ECNL.
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The intense blogging has ramped up indeed over the last few weeks. I expect it to only get worse as tryout season is almost upon us. There should be plenty of conjecture, innuendo and false statements made on the part of those parents who are trying to draw better quality players to their daughter's elite teams. Here's a thought, tell your club's coach/trainer to actually train your players, encourage them to be creative, let them actually play in games, and give them an opportunity to get better instead of worrying about winning. Then and only then will your daughter and team improve and you can leave everyone else alone.
@1231 way to analytical, way too correct. these blogs are the breaking bad of east coast youth soccer. zero real value, just entertainment. if there were a single person who looked to these boards for suggestions as to which teams for tryouts, they should be shot. read this blog. would you ever trust or follow the advice of anyone, particularly some blowhard know it all tell you to tell your trainer to actually train. i want to see that play out, some parents telling the head trainer, head coach his program is no good and we should train more and stop worrying about winning. No way to stop that train, just get off and find another train.
Instead of tournaments, teams should have more 'festivals' or arrangements where teams can play 3v3, 5v5, 8v8, or 11v11 with kids at different positions and not have to worry about the score or how many points a tournament is worth.That opens up creativity and removes the fear of making a mistake. Otherwise, play can be a bit tight and robotic when a 'win' is on the line.
@2:33pm - Not gonna happen Tournaments generate to much business for leagues and town's clubs. The whole youth system is a business there are millions of kids with parents that are not able to afford the majority of pay to play clubs and the US is missing out on those kids every day.
There are still some town clubs that seem to take their tax free mission of teaching and promoting the sport of soccer seriously. I am involved with one that has helped out many families that may not have otherwise been able to provide soccer to their kids. Expensive higher level clubs are for the well off in spite of their tax free status. But if you have a child interested in the sport, inquire at a more local club and you may be able to get some help.
Does anyone know anything about the Red Bulls Development program? According to their emails they except boy and girls? Is there U12 girls going to these sessions?
I see many clubs are starting to post tryout information. At this age is it worth going to tryouts or contact the coach directly to see if they are looking. Do not want to waste time trying out here and there.
Red bulls is about boys and men's soccer. They are interested in girl's soccer to in so much as it can lead to camp and training fees, and ticket and merchandise sales.
323, Agreed it will not happen. Many have been trying for years. Someone responded to my previous post suggesting the US does not need the Europeans, that the US has their own way of doing something. You invite knowledge people with great success taught the proper way to teach and help your soccer kids get better. And yet you turn down every quality advisory or scheme. Small sided through U14, or 3v3, 5v5 and we promptly get slapped back down. Super frustrating since parents then scream like joseph when you dont win or get results. Those few teams that do embrace it, you attack for being too cowardly to play 11v11 at the age of 11. And, the parties driving this wagon down the wrong lane are the parents with the credit cards who demand to see their daughters on a field where 11 of her and her teammates can have fun. These are sometimes parents who have no knowledge of the game, of development. Rules? couldnt tell you about offsides or directs/indirects, couldnt tell you about schemes...but they will no doubt bark at a referee incorrectly, or presume they know the first thing about what creates soccer success. There is a reason that the United States with all its amazing resources trails others. Profit and having 11 on the field trump development and technical. Its not that Serena Williams decided to play tennis.
Agree with 11:42 on Red Bulls RDS but it is selective and girls receive good training and play against the boys which is a benefit in terms of speed and physicality.
11:46am. Like the post. Someone speaking sense for once.
I have seen a lot of emails lately for the EDP-TIP program. Can anyone shed some light on this? I heard not too many clubs were sending kids to this but instead were supporting the Next Gen USA training. Does anyone know any information? Weren't they the same people at one point? Dazed and Confused
@11:11 -EDP-TIP to College is part of the MSSL and EDP League. Clubs playing in EDP league recommend girls/boys from there club to attend the free sessions. This is a benefit of playing in the EDP league and will eventually evolve at older ages a free identification program for college recruitment. There are benefits since they are tied into possibly doing sessions/friendly's at colleges. NEXT-Gen: Formerly the TIP program in EDP but trainers wanted to branch off to do there own thing because of the pay-first then get recruited for TIP concept. For the players accepted for the free sessions they are great because similar type girls/boys are training together. For those that are paying thinking there kid can make the free TIP sessions it can be costly. Plus they bait you to do other things that are expensive like camps and trips. If you look at there website they are also trying to build a school/soccer program similar to IMG academy in Florida. This will be for the Rich.Ultimately this are both supplemental programs like ODP, ID2 etc. There are many directions just need to try them all and see how your child feels. I say what ever direction is less costly or FREE then it is the best option.
What are your thoughts on Jefferson CUP? Brackets and schedules are out.
@10:10 - I think the Top Bracket 11v11 at Jeff Cup will be challenging for any of the North East Teams. We played Cincy and OP Fire back in the summer and they are power houses. Waza(Last year's Champions) and the Hawaii Team(That distance your bringing the best of the best) may be the sleepers. I do not see SDFC or Pipeline going far and like history has showed us most of the North East Teams do not play well at this Tourney. The 2nd 11v11 Bracket could be interesting as well, and could be up for grabs due to lack of practice sessions the weather has permitted these teams.As for the 8v8 Top Bracket should be a walk in the park for a few teams to make it to the finals. Glad teams stay 8v8 for development but with limited competition such as teams like Cincy or OP Fire not sure if teams are most likely just chasing points at his point. ~North
Yes I agree. The cincy team is legit. They have some really good players and play very well as a team. I saw them play in Maryland.
Both teams from Ohio are very good and will probably walk away with tournament. Last year Pipeline and NJX were beat down in this tournament. Looks like the top flight will be similar this year. SDFC will take place of NJX in beat downs. We know why NJX isn't going back after a 9 - 0 loss in one game last year.
Can anyone tell me how the brackets were developed for the Jeff Cup? Seems like the EDP teams were spread out fairly evenly. Definitely seems like brackets were not based on GotSoccer rankings but more from Youth Soccer Rankings USA. Thoughts?
Still bashing 11/12 year olds!
7:14 - don't brag about your team online and your team won't become a target.
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