SDFC didnt win Indoor State Cup? At least we won't have to listen to them on the blog.
state cup brackets are up:http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=457048
Wasn't there a blogger on here last year swearing that nearly all NJ teams were going 8v8 or the state league was requiring all teams to go 8v8 for this year? What happened? That 8v8 bracket is a joke.
I wonder if the 8v8 teams will automatically get GS points again for playing in bracket where there are not enough teams to play a preliminary round?
Yes, because 12 yr olds developing and getting more touches is a joke. It's funny....when people mention 8v8 I hear joke, etc. But why? Back it up with opinions
I don't think anyone said 8v8 is a joke. Having a "State Cup" where just entering means you make the "quarterfinals" and racking up GS points for winning 2 games against questionable teams is a joke.
I agree. But how else can it be done?It's only for 1 yr in this transition period at U12 where some tms are playing 8v8 and some 11v11. But there has been plenty of times on this board where 8v8 gets bashed.
For so few teams playing 8v8, there should probably not be a bracket at all. Just signing up and making it to qtr finals is silly and detracts from the tourny - a qtr finalist in 11v11 has to actually work to make it there. To late now but I think there should be a minimum # participating to allow for a bracket to be formed. There's no way points or any other significance should be assigned when you get to the qtrs just by entering.
For current U11s next year there is a movement to keep them at 8v8. Not a done deal, but most of the feeder leagues will be 8v8 at U12 next year. They are looking at a larger field for 8v8 at U11/U12. PDA is already at 11v11, but how it takes will depend on what the other clubs do. One trend you will see is clubs fielding larger teams and playing both.
I firmly do not believe in staying 8v8 at U12. Makes no sense to be playing on 8v8 fields for 4 years U8-U12. The feeder leagues only want to stay 8v8 to help coaches retain teams/players so they don't lose them to one of the top level programs like PDA or for $$$ two 8v8teams will bring more revenue vs. one 11v11 team. Touches, technical, decision making process occurs in practice that's where the value is. Starting at U12 they need to start learning 11v11 formations & tactics to prepare them for high school, in which probably 99% of the girls on U12 teams will be playing at U14/15. 2years @U12/U13 playing 11v11 will help prepare them for high school and eventually other high level games in ECNL/NPL leagues. If these so called feeder leagues move to 8v8 at U12 that leaves only 1 full year of 11v11 @U13 before any of the girls below the current U12 group hit U14/highschool/ECNL/NPL Leagues.
FYI....Max U12 girls won the U13 cup as well....
FC Maximus poster who cares about indoor Cup U12 or U13. Like someone posted before the Regional futsal Tournament in Wildwood had a lot more value and had talented players/teams from up and down the region.
Stop hating....start crying
Then come to the big leagues and play 11v11 in state cup and league play then we'll see who will be crying and hearing everyone else laugh.
So the big league is U-12, 11 V 11 girls soccer? This is sad. They are kids, let them play, if they are good enough they will advance.
Exactly....this guy is a CLOWN!
The feeder leagues don't care about losing teams and players. Love the experts here. Playing small sided as long as possible is universally accepted internationally and US Soccer is moving that way as well.
US Women's soccer has been successful the past decade and half, it's the men's side that has struggled. The current WMNT players have played 11v11 probably since they were 12 years old and the WMNT has been doing fine the past 15+ years. Don't change it if it's not broke. Yes I see the world is catching up but that's because the world is getting more involved that's normal when countries determine they want to more athletes involved in certain sports same has happened in the basketball over the past 2 decades and technology. How come they do not change the size of a football field, or hockey rink, or basketball court. We can't follow what the world has been doing. I think more quality training and continuing education of coaches from all levels youth to college will be more important than worrying about 8v8 field size at U12. Don't you think if teams practice more in a quality environment it will benefit kids more than games?
^^^^^No words. Incredible ignorance!
Ignorance Please! Okay why has PDA teams been so successful it's not because they stay 8v8 it's because of the quality of training they provide, and the amount of talent across the board on each team where players are challenging each other day in and day out. They are a name brand in the soccer world now. Even there top U11 team is playing 11v11. Games are just a benefit on weekend to make parents happy there kids are on a on winning team. It's the training and practices that add value to a child's development and majority of PDA's coaches have a lot of qualifications to proceed them.
The powers that be are trying to change the youth system in the US. It is broken.Clubs like PDA do very little to develop the creative talented player, they produce robots for the most part that play within the team frame work.The extremely talented player that plays for PDA gets their training at other venues as well and use PDA as a team base. nothing more.PDA's training sessions are small sided as this mimics the 8vs8 system. They get kudos for that at least. Other clubs don't even bother to do this correctly.The best training environment for maximum touches is the 5 vs 5 play which creates the diamond pattern on the field and facilities shape , maximum touches , movement and support. Although PDA are highly branded, their system does very little to produce the next Marta.But is very effective in teaching the girls to pass the ball around the field.
Marta and those like her didn't come to be because they played 8v8 vs. 11v11. She didn't come about because she played 5v5. For the most part they were born of unstructured free play - in their neigborhoods, playgruonds, etc.. Not what the US is set up for at all.
@12:13 - Total agree. Marta came from passion and pure abilities. not an organized youth system. It's something that many of our kids have at such a young age but lose it when the trying to win factor of playing 8v8,11v11 games. Per the statement above continued education of coaches or parents is very beneficial. Also U.S. youth is not broke it's just not evolving with the pressure of what other countries are trying to do. Per the poster stating PDA produces robots that was ignorance and isn't passing the largest aspect in a successful player development. You have No Clue!
Oh good a debate. You must be a pda parent. From the moment of training at u8 at pda. The girls are encouraged to take minimal touches and get rid of the ball. Individual possession and creativity is discouraged. How many times do they say to a 7 year old. Too many touches. Too many touches. How in the world does one foster creativity if at 7 they have to get rid of it as soon as they can. It is you that is a bit naive.
Yes a good debate! At least this blog has debates vs. the older age groups where it is more pointing fingers. No I'm not being Naïve because on there is only a small % of girls that can truly hang onto the ball and be creative during a game the majority of the other girls are being taught the fundamentals and more doesn't passing equate to more touches for the entire team.I guess PDA is teaching in a team environment vs. your club teaches the 1 or 2 girls to hang onto the ball and play with it. How is that developing the other 15/16 girls on the team. Being creative is for the freestyle type players on youtube. The WMNT has been successful because of the amount of passing and possession keeping they have vs. the one Marta player system.
If we are talking about developing players to play at their highest potential (regardless of gender) then you have to look how the biggest clubs in the world develop players. And i will tell you this, it's not by playing 11v11 at 11 and 12 years old.Some of you may have heard of a coach named Rene Meulensteen,, widely recognized as one of the best Youth Coaches in the World. Thie quote below taken from an interview (link also below) sums up the situation here in the US. And bare in mind he was talking about the best Manchester United boys players at U12. Not the best U12 girls players in NJ."By the time they are 12, they are ready to enter 11-a-side."http://www.powersoccer.ca/articles.php?aid=21
Well 12:52We disagree. At u8 no player should be put in a box and be taught the virtues of getting rid of the ball as quickly as you can.. There is plenty of time for this as the girls learn to be extremely comfortable on the ball. And yes this will mean that girls at the younger ages will hold a little more than they should and they will experiment by taking on a player or two more than they should but i am a big believer of creative technical skills and extreme comfort on the ball. This is not the PDA model.( please don't confuse comfort on the ball with 20 minute ball skill drills as a warmupYou mention the women's national team as if they set the standard in the possession game. That has never been their strong suit. (athleticism is the current model)Did you catch their 2-0 loss just recently. They had trouble keeping the ball under pressure.The problem with teaching our young ladies not to be comfortable in tight spaces and discourage creativity by putting these players in defined roles is that they become very mechanical - except for the player or two that is allowed to be the floor generals on the team-usually it's the midfielders at PDA.Also please don't assume that my daughter plays for some club that encourages "hog" ball.I actually might be a parent on your side lines.
comment made at 2:38 was meant for 1:34
I think there's some common ground to be found in this debate. The best soccer is played when the ball moves strategically around the field probing for the right mismatch or lane to exploit. That's the passing component the best teams and individual players must master. Maintaining possession through passing is difficult when facing pressure and it must be developed as a skill set over time through the right sort of training sessions and game philosophy. Having said that, in the absence of individual creativity and individual dribbling skill sets teams can't break down defenses in the final third. It often comes down to possession for possession sake rather than possession for scoring sake. I see that all the time. Teams often keep the ball but can't create scoring opportunities in proportion to their possession statistics.Creative individuality within a team possession standard is the "special sauce" MOST teams lack. Barcelona is fun to watch because they possess the ball but they've always got those special individuals that know when to turn on/off the dribble or lofted/chipped pass in the final third.We can't look at possession vs individuality. We must set up training sessions and promote environments which strike the balance between both.
Yes 3;02 but in order to create more players with "special sauce" they must be encouraged to be comfortable and hold at the younger ages- not be trained to pass after two touches...If you don't teach them creativity at the younger ages then when is the right time.It is the development of the special sauce that PDA has sacrificed for team play at the early years
I don't necessarily disagree with that. The question is what can they do differently? It might be as simple as trainers and coaches interjecting during sessions to point out missed opportunities to "take them on" or how about "play this angle" instead. I think they've got the right formula for possession going, but it's time to introduce more creativity.There's a lot of truth to what you're saying and developmentally there's inherent conflict between mastering quick distribution skill sets and mastering individual "special sauce" skill sets. Most top players can be trained to distribute etc but few can develop into those "special sauce" players. We are making great progress as a nation in developing our possession game which will become evident at both the MNT and WMT level over the next 10 years. Getting to the point where we can foster individuality within that may take more time.
3:53.They simply recruit the "special sauce" and add to their other players. Also they do indeed try to develop these type of players as you will find most of them in the attacking midfield or Center Striker position.You will find that these players in these positions have a little more lead way in holding the ball.
Great debate.I just logged on. Catching up with the post from the past few days. Both sides have valid points.This is what i see is wrong with soccer developmentin the US.It will always be a game of catch up with some of the top teams in the world. Why ?Simple. Creativity comes from kids going out on their own at a very young age playing in the neigboorhood with other soccer loving kids. Tryingmoves on their own. Taking chances, not worrying about turning the ball over etc...Example: Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan played streetball / pick basketball with other basketball loving kids in their neighborhood. No coaches, no structure just raw creativity. That's why the US dominated for so many years.Same goes for the top players in the world of soccer. Messi, Naymar, Ronoldo,Marta,ozil etc.....All played street ball with no structure. That's where creativity started from. Sure when they got a bit older they joined the pro / academy teams.Which had coaching & structure. A good coach can blend both and not douse the fire in that creativeplayer.MFA,PDA & the other top clubs do a great job of coaching our young soccer loving kids. Why is it a game of catch up......Well my daughter does not have any soccer crazedkids in the neighborhood. They all play mutiple sports. So she has to wait 3 times a week to get with her likeminded teamates to try out her movesand try to be creative. Well the rest of the world is dong it daily. What's the next best thing. I tell herif you want to be great. It's up to you to work on your own game.Well this is what is happening across the US on both the women's & mens side. You can't teach creativity. It's developed naturally. By u12 it might be to late. Just ny two cents.
@3:57 - Well said! Thus the reason why U.S. doesn't produce great men's soccer teams it's not the many kids first sport of choice and not enough free play in local communities like many other countries. Like the poster that mentioned "U.S. is not broken it's just the other world is just getting more involved" is very well said. Our Youth system is great to a point but it's about the girls/boys themselves having passion to play and be creative daily. 5v5/7v7/8v8/11v11 those are just games for the business world the true development is what 3:57 said is when a girl get's with her likeminded teams during the week to explore and work on things. I personally feel my daughter get a lot more out of friendly's vs. actual real games and tournaments.
Well said? First off- who the hell is Naymar?
Please tell us soccer nut
Naymar plays with Ronoldo
Ummm It's Neymar.....and he doesn't play with Ronaldo
9:07I guess you didn't recognize 10:27's attempt at humor.You know, (the spelling of the names thing. )
Why are the last few posts making fun of spelling this shows how much immaturity is all over this blog. Let's start another debate anyone see the Spring Brackets any thought's? Which bracket seems the strongest and potential outcome?
Lower right bracket has 3 of the 4 state cup semifinalists from the fall - interesting
Yes the other bracket filled with SJ Teams, West Chester, and batch of MD teams look good as well. EDP did a great job mixing up the teams. If you look the Central and South U12 brackets are both giving 9000 GS points. What blows my mind is the 8v8 bracket is still giving 600 GS points.
More crying about 8v8....give it a rest!
Give what a rest playing 8v8. If a team cannot field enough players for 11v11 I completely understand but if your doing it to chase points then that's whole other story. It's not development anymore at this stage when there no other teams to play. 8v8 state cup is a joke teams already are in quarterfinals as their 1st game.
I think you crazies should give it a rest for the weekend. Enjoy non soccer time with your pre-teen daughter and shut the f up.
Nope State Futsal Tournament in North Jersey. No rest this weekend.
Mr.3:44pm, the Sopranos was so yesteryear. masterminds, those in the USA, everyone everywhere says that for the USA to get strong, we need to be playing and training small sided through U14 at minimum. you feel that the only possible reasons to remain small sided are 1, if you dont have numbers for 11v11, 2, to get GS rankings, and further feel that the 8 touches she gets out there over the course of your 70 minute games playing left field on the big football pitch is what will make her the best. thank you for defining what you feel is proper development. I'm sure US Soccer will be calling you shortly for hire.
Is it true NJX/MFA got a new goalie?
Idk, is it? Their keeper was good, why change?
Hope so, they need all the help they can get.
8v8 vs. 11v11 debate is nonsense. You must not be from the U.S.A. that's fine. We have athletes every where here in the states that play other sports and their is nothing wrong with that the Olymipcs and all our 4 major sports in USA show our well known stars. Sorry that your country only has 1 major sport that all the kids flock too. Don't you think if we didn't have all these other sports in the states many of today's athletes would flock to soccer and be more dominant in the world. Girls are getting exposure to other sports as well Lacrosse, basketball, tennis. What parent wouldn't want a multi-player athlete succeeding. The small sided debate is because all the over-sea coaches taking their ideas over here and not understanding our Youth in all our sports. Imagine a Venus & Serena Williams in the soccer world.
Figures someone would make a rude comment about 11/12 year olds.
Mr. Williams would have insisted they play small sided at U12.
Does anyone know anything about Monmouth United?
Never heard of them. Maybe you can see if there are any blogs dedicated to totally irrelevant soccer programs?
some people are so rude. Here is an idea, before you post something so foul and obnoxious, ask yourself how you'd feel if someone was able to finger you for your posts, and they were put up on the US Youth Soccer site as being written by you with your name on it, and your son's name and team beneath it. Ask yourself how your son would feel and if this helps him or hinders him in his soccer efforts. Ask yourself how you'd feel with all your friends and team families knowing it was you who made such derogatory and belittling comments. IF you want your kids to be respectful and tolerate of others, to love the game and respect coaches and players of all levels of talent, it starts with you.
@814. Wow dude. You have issues. I guess you are Luis Sanchez and your child plays for Barcelonas residential program. If not, stand down you idiot. @227. I don't know that program. However, look up the coach for your players age. Attend a few practices. Talk to the parents. Or really listen to the parents. Some will like it and others will complain. And you will undrstand who is reasonable and who is not. Do that and you and your player will be able to understand if she will like it there. Are you coming from a rec/ school program? Or are you moving to the area. There are a numbee of programs in that area.
Monmouth United was St Marys but the church wanted to distance themselves from the travel soccer program because the president of the league is jerkoff. No way I would ever let my kids play for that association.
There are so many negative things written on here, bashing teams, players and coaches...yet someone freaks out about Monmouth United being called irrelevant? I wonder who would be so offended by that. I never even heard of Monmouth United, but apparently the president cited by in the 11:05 post is on here for some odd reason, and posting!
It implies that someone thinks there are some soccer clubs that are somehow "relevant". Soccer is a game, an entertaining diversion at the lowest and highest levels like any sport. World carried on before it existed and will carry on when it is gone. Someone is taking it a little too seriously.
Didn't Jesus start PDA?
LOL! 1:15.Based on what I've read on this board some might say that. Others would say it was the anit-Christ that started it...
No, he tried out but he never made it. He disappeared for 3 days at a time, kept turning away from the ball... the coaches kept finding wine in the water bottles. When it was time to pay the academy fees he said "Take these things away; do not make my Father's sport into a house of trade." He hated the blog. Said "he who is without sin cast the first post". That Lamb never stood a chance.
@ 1:30 - well done!
Blessed are the playmakers . . .
Father, forgive these bloggers, for they do not know what they do.
Ok....I haven't been on here in a couple weeks....looks like I'll stay away for a bit more...haha
@227 we know you the red coch keep goin for gues players to chase gs point you need thm
"@227 we know you the red coch keep goin for gues players to chase gs point you need thm"Someone has some splainin to do?
Lead us not into playing to win, but deliver us from the ECNL.
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The intense blogging has ramped up indeed over the last few weeks. I expect it to only get worse as tryout season is almost upon us. There should be plenty of conjecture, innuendo and false statements made on the part of those parents who are trying to draw better quality players to their daughter's elite teams. Here's a thought, tell your club's coach/trainer to actually train your players, encourage them to be creative, let them actually play in games, and give them an opportunity to get better instead of worrying about winning. Then and only then will your daughter and team improve and you can leave everyone else alone.
@1231 way to analytical, way too correct. these blogs are the breaking bad of east coast youth soccer. zero real value, just entertainment. if there were a single person who looked to these boards for suggestions as to which teams for tryouts, they should be shot. read this blog. would you ever trust or follow the advice of anyone, particularly some blowhard know it all tell you to tell your trainer to actually train. i want to see that play out, some parents telling the head trainer, head coach his program is no good and we should train more and stop worrying about winning. No way to stop that train, just get off and find another train.
Instead of tournaments, teams should have more 'festivals' or arrangements where teams can play 3v3, 5v5, 8v8, or 11v11 with kids at different positions and not have to worry about the score or how many points a tournament is worth.That opens up creativity and removes the fear of making a mistake. Otherwise, play can be a bit tight and robotic when a 'win' is on the line.
@2:33pm - Not gonna happen Tournaments generate to much business for leagues and town's clubs. The whole youth system is a business there are millions of kids with parents that are not able to afford the majority of pay to play clubs and the US is missing out on those kids every day.
There are still some town clubs that seem to take their tax free mission of teaching and promoting the sport of soccer seriously. I am involved with one that has helped out many families that may not have otherwise been able to provide soccer to their kids. Expensive higher level clubs are for the well off in spite of their tax free status. But if you have a child interested in the sport, inquire at a more local club and you may be able to get some help.
Does anyone know anything about the Red Bulls Development program? According to their emails they except boy and girls? Is there U12 girls going to these sessions?
I see many clubs are starting to post tryout information. At this age is it worth going to tryouts or contact the coach directly to see if they are looking. Do not want to waste time trying out here and there.
Red bulls is about boys and men's soccer. They are interested in girl's soccer to in so much as it can lead to camp and training fees, and ticket and merchandise sales.
323, Agreed it will not happen. Many have been trying for years. Someone responded to my previous post suggesting the US does not need the Europeans, that the US has their own way of doing something. You invite knowledge people with great success taught the proper way to teach and help your soccer kids get better. And yet you turn down every quality advisory or scheme. Small sided through U14, or 3v3, 5v5 and we promptly get slapped back down. Super frustrating since parents then scream like joseph when you dont win or get results. Those few teams that do embrace it, you attack for being too cowardly to play 11v11 at the age of 11. And, the parties driving this wagon down the wrong lane are the parents with the credit cards who demand to see their daughters on a field where 11 of her and her teammates can have fun. These are sometimes parents who have no knowledge of the game, of development. Rules? couldnt tell you about offsides or directs/indirects, couldnt tell you about schemes...but they will no doubt bark at a referee incorrectly, or presume they know the first thing about what creates soccer success. There is a reason that the United States with all its amazing resources trails others. Profit and having 11 on the field trump development and technical. Its not that Serena Williams decided to play tennis.
Agree with 11:42 on Red Bulls RDS but it is selective and girls receive good training and play against the boys which is a benefit in terms of speed and physicality.
11:46am. Like the post. Someone speaking sense for once.
I have seen a lot of emails lately for the EDP-TIP program. Can anyone shed some light on this? I heard not too many clubs were sending kids to this but instead were supporting the Next Gen USA training. Does anyone know any information? Weren't they the same people at one point? Dazed and Confused
@11:11 -EDP-TIP to College is part of the MSSL and EDP League. Clubs playing in EDP league recommend girls/boys from there club to attend the free sessions. This is a benefit of playing in the EDP league and will eventually evolve at older ages a free identification program for college recruitment. There are benefits since they are tied into possibly doing sessions/friendly's at colleges. NEXT-Gen: Formerly the TIP program in EDP but trainers wanted to branch off to do there own thing because of the pay-first then get recruited for TIP concept. For the players accepted for the free sessions they are great because similar type girls/boys are training together. For those that are paying thinking there kid can make the free TIP sessions it can be costly. Plus they bait you to do other things that are expensive like camps and trips. If you look at there website they are also trying to build a school/soccer program similar to IMG academy in Florida. This will be for the Rich.Ultimately this are both supplemental programs like ODP, ID2 etc. There are many directions just need to try them all and see how your child feels. I say what ever direction is less costly or FREE then it is the best option.
What are your thoughts on Jefferson CUP? Brackets and schedules are out.
@10:10 - I think the Top Bracket 11v11 at Jeff Cup will be challenging for any of the North East Teams. We played Cincy and OP Fire back in the summer and they are power houses. Waza(Last year's Champions) and the Hawaii Team(That distance your bringing the best of the best) may be the sleepers. I do not see SDFC or Pipeline going far and like history has showed us most of the North East Teams do not play well at this Tourney. The 2nd 11v11 Bracket could be interesting as well, and could be up for grabs due to lack of practice sessions the weather has permitted these teams.As for the 8v8 Top Bracket should be a walk in the park for a few teams to make it to the finals. Glad teams stay 8v8 for development but with limited competition such as teams like Cincy or OP Fire not sure if teams are most likely just chasing points at his point. ~North
Yes I agree. The cincy team is legit. They have some really good players and play very well as a team. I saw them play in Maryland.
Both teams from Ohio are very good and will probably walk away with tournament. Last year Pipeline and NJX were beat down in this tournament. Looks like the top flight will be similar this year. SDFC will take place of NJX in beat downs. We know why NJX isn't going back after a 9 - 0 loss in one game last year.
Can anyone tell me how the brackets were developed for the Jeff Cup? Seems like the EDP teams were spread out fairly evenly. Definitely seems like brackets were not based on GotSoccer rankings but more from Youth Soccer Rankings USA. Thoughts?
Still bashing 11/12 year olds!
7:14 - don't brag about your team online and your team won't become a target.
Which team is bragging? Just a lot of complaining.
NJX was bragging last year. Sounds like their empire has crumbled.
Somebody's always got something bad to say about NJX. Give it a rest.
Did they really get beat 9 to 0?
Jealousy is what it is. Some people aren't thinking about there 11 year olds being scouted!! Fools.....
Jealous of a 9 0 loss? I think you meant to write THEIR 11 year olds - look who is a fool now?
Has anyone heard of Monmouth United yet?
@6:56 No - why should we have? Just trolling for attention I think..
Monmouth United is the old St. Mary's Travel team(s). The St. Mary's program was started by some unhappy Middletown parents/coaches a few years ago. I think they changed to Monmouth United because the new pastor at St. Mary's didn't want to deal with travel soccer. I'm not sure what league they play in, or if their u12 team is highly competitive or not, but I believe the girls on the team are happy.
PDA Accepted Listhttp://www.pdasoccer.org/tournaments/pdaspringkickoff/600530.html
help a confused parent out. why would a NJ team (STA) move from EDP (which if I understand correctly is part of the NPL??) to, the NYSC league of NPL? Better teams to play? I've managed to figure out that there is a league for the few teams going ECNL at some point, but this one puzzles me. Thanks.
To 1220: Not sure if STA asked to be moved or the MSSL which run's the NPL/EDP league in the area moved them based on logistics. They could possibly be playing both leagues is what some teams do as well as you can see on NYSC schedule there are teams that are from NJ. There is no rules in the NPL league a team can play in 2 leagues.
@6:56 Give it a rest already!
STA makes no sense. Playing mediocre teams in NYSC NPL. Perhaps to get in more games, more play minutes, more gotsoccer points? Who cares?
@12:20 I show STA in the Spring 2015 EDP league
@226 they are (also) def in the ny league that Isee on npl website, ny league, playing a bunch of Long Island teams. I was just wondering if those are higher quality teams/games. If not that drive sucks. I would rather drive in nj or to PA any day.
12:20pm. Why not email the club and ask?
Because I thought you guys knew everything
So you'd rather an anonymous poster give you information than get it straight from the horses mouth in half the time?
Sounds like a troll to me
Does anyone know if Monmouth United added any players, change goal tenders, if girls left to go to other clubs? Did they change coaches?
Hit some kind of nerve with you , did I? You're way over invested in my posts. I really appreciate that. I feel all warm and fuzzy now.
Who are you referring to?
Stop with the Monmouth United Trolling, if you want answers go to the club's website to look for information or contacts. We know those questions are a direct result of trying to market the club since there is no U12 girls team. If not you would be asking other age group blogs. So enough questions with the Monmouth United Club. No one cares on this blog. Now for a real question do you guys think if leagues should start making a Spring/Summer league with 10 + 2 or 3 crossover games with the majority of clubs rolling as a summer team these days enough many clubs could eliminate bogus summer tryouts. Leagues would be Spring/Summer Season (Mid-March to June)the whole month of July would be the off month and start up August for Fall(Mid-Aug to Nov). Dec. would be a month off followed by Jan/Feb Futsal or indoor season.
Then you'd be taking away from all those 'select' teams that can grab your money during the summer off-season.EDP already has a spring league and they will be featuring a summer league.Be patient.
Good concept but it would take additional business funds to clubs since summer select generates extra revenue for all those so called non-profit clubs. lolEDP Summer league sounds interesting rather play 1 game every weekend or bi-weekly during the summer vs. 4 games in each tournament a team registers for in the blistering heat.
formal summer leagues surefire way to burn out the kids and have them hate the sport. flipflops, swimming pool, for most of june and part of july and then get back at it. otherwise its a 12 month program and as much as they love it, they'll hate it.
Agree at Minimum kids at this age need a full month away 2X a year. A couple of summer tourneys is fun and you can do that and be done pretty early in July. Most teams also break from Thanksgiving to after New Years.
Monmouth United is a joke. The president is a complete jackass and will run the program into the ground. How can you call yourself Monmouth United when in reality you are trying to divide Middletown? Monmouth United is rec ball.
Summer is all about playing for fun. That's when those stupid "Twisters" teams start showing up playing against our Summer Select kids. It's not fun to get thrashed by a hand-picked group of technically skilled players that make a mockery out of the Summer Select process.
12:21 There are 3 types of teams that play in summer tournaments.1. Full time year teams - it's the normal Fall/Spring teams for a club + 1 or 2 guess players.2. Summer Select Kids - Yes a group of hand-picked technically skilled players as you can see the word "Select". 3. Bottom/Less talented kids grouped together that did not make a full time or Summer Select Team, but parents look at it as development. If kids are not doing anything in the summer like(Softball, swimming, etc.) it's great to keep in shape in the off season. Just like Futsal is in the winter.
I believe 12:21 was referring to that 'other' team beating up on the Select team. Those Select teams have parents paying a nice chunk of change for 'training'. When another team mops the floor with them, those parents then wonder where their money is going.
Then that's up to the club to position there summer select team properly in a tournament and many trainers know better to place them in top brackets vs. full time teams that have been playing together longer vs. a summer select team that has been slapped together for 1 month. Remember summer select is also part of a recruiting process for a full time team. The parents should not be concerned where their money is going vs. reviewing how their child is developing on the summer select program they chose. If they are concerned then there regular season team should done something for the summer to save money vs. parents go here and there.
Monmouth United is run by a clown. I don't want my children anywhere near him. And I know several folks who feel the same way.
Again enough with Monmouth United. Any thought's of Jeff Cup being cancelled for Girls?
@11:10 any club associated with middle town is a joke lets move on!
^^^ dude you're all class
Regarding tryout registration through Got Soccer, anyone know if your current team/coach will see that you registered for tryouts at different club? It would show up on the players page as an upcoming event but does your current team see that?
Does it matter if it shows up on Gotsoccer, just be straight forward with your current coach if you plan on trying out somewhere else especially if your daughter is in the top 5 player on the team. At this age majority of coaches already know or have seen who is out there.
@521 aint njx from midde twn? they a joke two?
@521 i'm pretty sure that aside from this age group, where NJX (middletown) is a top team in the state, the m'town age group one year older, and now one year younger both brought home state cups. not too shabby. sure it gets harder for a "town" team as the kids age and self-select into "elite" teams. Let me know if you find another "joke" program with those kind of results recently.
@1145 and @1249No it doesn't show up outside of your profile There is no reason to tell your coach if you tryout elsewhere. Your reasons are up to you and your player. Sometimes it is just to see how your player stacks up against others
It's common courtesy to give your coach a heads up if your going to other tryouts. People will see you anyway. Been there done that!
always best to let the coach know what your tryout plans are. there's a dozen other girls on the team counting on playing next year. if the coach is blindsided by a few defections, there may not be enough to field a team. that's the worst possible result. the girls just want to play.
Yes I agree common courtesy to your coach is key. It's a small world and people talk so you would rather have your coach here it from your mouth instead of others. Unless you are in odds with your coach then it be better to let the director of coaching in the club know then.
Best policy is to be open and honest.
You are all quite amusing. This is u12 soccer. You do not have to tell your coach unless you feel comfortable doing so. You have no allegiance to your team past this June. And your coach has no allegiance to your player past this June. I would find it odd that any coach would not expect players to try out elsewhere honestly. Unless they play for Galaxy. So it's up to you.
Speaking of tryouts. When will teams start posting tryout dates?
@1020 - U10, U12, U14 it doesn't matter a paid coach or parent coach needs to know if you plan on leaving. It's the right thing to do. It helps he/she outline a plan for what the team is look for in their tryouts. It's common Courtesy to someone that puts time in and out in teaching your child that you probably do not have time for. Teach your child respect.
@10:20 I agree with you on this one. A coach does what is best for his/her team and a parent does what is best for their child! It is only right to let the coach know if you decide to accept another offer so they can plan accordingly to fill your child's spot on the roster. Movement happens all the time in sports. I don't feel it's your obligation to let the coach know your actively looking. That is your decision to make and only let them know once you make your decision IF you decide to leave. That is respectful to your team. Others will post and speak about respect and how wrong it is. Believe me, many others are looking also and keeping it quiet or as quiet as possible. If a parent coach is looking to move their child, does it mean they are obligated to tell the rest of the team, or will they? Very unlikely I am sure. Been there with my oldest and speak from experience.
Why tell the current coach that your daughter is trying out elsewhere. Would anyone tell there current employer that they're looking for a new job? C'mon people!
mr. 5:49,team youth sports are not for you. its called being part of a team of youth kids who want to have a successful season and noone wishes you ill will for leaving but have some guts and tell the coach so he doesnt plan to have you there. And maybe yeah, one should discuss employment issues with their employer . I guess you're the type who walks in with the 1 day notice that you're quiting as of 5pm and screw you if you suffer negative impact because i'm walking out on my job.youth sports - stay on the sidelines. its not for you.
@711. I wouldn't call Anyone a "dumb ass" because there is no law. You can leave right now if you want. 2 weeks is a courtesy. And for your information, unless you have an employment contract, your employer can fire you and make you leave that moment. @553. I guess you have a union job. Bc no. You don't tell your employer. So relax buddy. My guess is a star player has left your child's team more than once. This is not the MLS. And btw if you ask an mls player. They don't discuss negotiations when their contract is up. Unless they are using it as a bargaining chip. Same way they are traded without being told. This is a soccer blog. Why not discuss the issue you may arguably have a little bit of knowledge on.
@549 Last season at our tryouts an entire team showed up looking to get a spot, as well as the coaches kids and assistant coaches with their kid from other teams. I wonder if the coaches and assistant coaches informed their current teams that they coached that they were actively looking to move NO! Parents, coaches, kids, they're all looking to do what is best for their kid and how can we argue with that? I don't think their is a right or wrong answer here.
Agree there is no wrong or right way. I think if you have a good relationship with your coach and he has done as much he can to put the team in the upper tier's but did not have enough committed support from parents/players it's only respectful to advise him you are trying out at other places and planning on moving on. Trying out for other teams comes down to what situation you are in. A town team player trying our for academy or an academy player trying out for another academy/ rival team can be very different situations. It all comes down to player/parent situation. So you bloggers who are comparing this to a job employment have no sense. They are 12/13 year old girls that ultimately rely on parent's to help them make decisions.
Wrong way is to not say anything to the coach and then leave your old team in the lurch without time to get a replacement player. Not all teams have giant rosters. Many need every player to be able to field a team with subs each game. Be considerate of all the kids playing soccer, not just your own.
Good Luck to all going to Jeff Cup! Hopefully some of the NY,NJ,PA teams represent.
Any other games today besides STA vs NJX/MFA?
Sdfc 5-0 vs Waza Tsf lose both games in 5th bracket (would be 6th if the top 8v8 bracket was considered) That team is on the way down very very quick.
Wow! STA 1-1 NJX/MFA very good game
How were the TSF parents? Are they still fighting with everyone?
Looks like PDA crew and Rush tied. nice work PDA, never thought I would say that.
Sdfc got spanked at Jeff cup.
Why do you say wow? Both are very average teams.
I was saying wow to sdfc
sdfc 0 -5 not 5-0 . 11 goals against, 1 for. kick and run is so fall 2014!!! spanked.learn your lessons. dont come on here bragging because everything comes and goes. the yapping guy touting his sdfc u12 fall results just getting ripped apart this winter. great kids. ridiculous bragging parents. bye bye.
Now it makes sense. Didn't think sdfc would win 5-0.
This is where you really start seeing the difference between the really elite playing teams and you can see why in another year they differentiate between NPL and ECNL. Just look at CASL. They've got 9 U12 girls teams...that's right 9!! The reason PDA doesn't need to have that many teams to form a top ECNL is because they draw a few top kids from the few they've got and draw in the future NPL teams top talent who are looking for a higher competition level for their child.
Sad how parents spend their weekends scouring the web for the scores of tournaments their kids aren't playing in. Think about how pathetic that is. It's bad enough we all spend an inordinate amount of time on our own kids sports, but when you're looking at updates of tournaments your kid isn't even at, then blogging about it, can you fairly argue you are not a complete loser? Please, explain why you're not pathetic in a cogent argument.
Maximus/world class merger looks interesting. Anyone know how this is going to work?
CASL has 9 x u12 teams? how is that even possible? do they have the fields and trainers to support that or is it a merger of various clubs?
Jeff Cup produced some champions from NJ! Congrats to those that won.
The wc merger is very good, they need help, especially at this age group. The fc max team is much stronger and will bring wc to a competing status. Would be concerned if I was playing on wc, will probably have more fc girls than wc make pre ecnl team next year. Win - win for both clubs. MF will be the weak link at this age group. That club has horrible reputation and it's showing in all the younger teams that they have start on their own.We will try out for wc next year know they will now have a strong team.
The World Class merger. They will be seperate from the WC NY program. The new program will be WC-NJ and will still be run under the same model as Maximus was ran, where people used Maximus as a supplement to their other "Real" team. Regardless, the Maximus U12G are solid, even though some people bash them because they play 8v8. This possibly might make them stronger if some girls that were playin in NY want to play for the NJ tm instead. Especially if they were traveling far north to get to nyfc complex.
it will definitely make them stronger, but world class went from small rosters at u12 to a large amount of girls. You can not tell me that u12 maximus will not be the core for the ecnl team and now another thirty players or so will be fighting to get in. and those players are already in the club. it will be interesting.
6:40 ha ha. Top NPL teams no need to drop to level of ECNL. You might want to actually do some research before commenting.
@ 6:40 - That was a BOLD statement "differentiate between NPL and ECNL" did you even look at the older brackets U13 & U14 I do not see an all ECNL bracket. ECNL and NPL teams are scattered throughout all levels of bracket play. Jeff cup did a fine job placing teams. The use of Gotsoccer points, team history will only further the case showing that a regular team can complete no matter if they are ECNL, NPL, Town.
ECNL team won the top bracket at U13. Other ECNL team went 2-1, but didn't make it to the final.Two ECNL teams made the final at U14 in the top bracket.They may be 'scattered', but it will get harder and harder for 'regular' teams to compete against the ECNL clubs.
@ 3:31 Yes I know who won the bracket's at U13/U14 coincidentally they are from the same club FC Virginia. But as I stated the games were close at many groups as well. So many of those games could of went either way. I'm not mocking ECNL or NPL teams but your statement is misleading especially when the NJ ECNL teams where not even present at our age group and probably wouldn't of faired well due to lack of outdoor time like southern stats had.
If both ECNL teams and NPL teams are scattered amongst each other in these top tournaments and both compete evenly against one another, then why is US Club Soccer the umbrella for both leagues and promoting ECNL to be the better leaugue? I don't get it? Can someone that has a child in the ECNL or real knowledge of the difference please explain.
Yes I do agree it does get confusing especially when US Club is the top affiliation for majority of these major tournaments and leagues. I think someone nailed it on a prior post with GotSoccer's point standings and recording team history it distinguishes the upper tier teams anyway. Remember times have change it was just 4 years ago parents where riding a wave of which town team to flock too, now with the online exposure parents/tournament directors can research which teams are the most competitive.
Why waste time researching "the most competitive" team. Whole team with be full of like minded uber competitive parents and result in a nightmarish sideline. I have been in that side line and there is not much beneficial about it.
Sometimes a nightmarish parent sideline affects a team's or individual player's play.At the age of 14/15 is when everything counts let your daughters enjoy the game and friends at this age.
All this soccer drama is getting way too old!LOL
ECNL has a lot of clubs and they are not all equal. Some clubs repeatedly fail to field competitive teams across all age groups, others field teams that can compete for national championships at all Age groups like PDA. Really 3 tiers of ECNL teams IMO. MFA straddles the top and middle tier IMO. NJ could probably use another ECNL club. PDA and MFA would obviously resist that and PDA carries a lot of clout.
At U14/U15 is when you look at moving to an ECNL team if your daughter tells you "Daddy I want to play in college". Half those 30 roster teams go back and forth between there satellite teams any way. So if you are on a strong U12 team now enjoy it and if your daughter is in the top 3 on her team she will get notice anyway.
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The WC-NJ is interesting, but based on previous experience (PDA, Match-Fit) it really is a slow process of cannibalizing the weaker team. When the real Pre-ECNL team starts training, will they be training in NJ or NY? Im thinking NY, right?
Still no PDA brackets for spring kickoff.Can someone help them out and give it a shot. It will probably help them, I don't think they pay attention to other teams at this age group.
Does anyone know how got soccer assigns points to tournaments? Doesn't look like jefferson cup gets any points. Wazu won the championship flight at u12 and didn't get any points. Isn't that supposed to be one of the top tourneys in the country for girls? Is got soccer rankings that flawed?
@536 gs points are quite flawed. Only ranked events get points. Not all events are ranked. Outside of east coast, a lot of events are not ranked so easy coast teams are ranked high until they play away tourneys.
GS just posted Jeff Cup points. New ranks!
Look at most of the top teams in the ranking, most have 10 to 13 events eligible for points. It's called chasing points, the more you play the better your odds. Playing 8v8 is another great way to gather points.
Gotsoccer is worthless at this age, it's only good for placing teams properly in 2nd/3rd tier tournaments. The true 1st tier high level tourney's like Jeff Cup actually researches teams prior to bracket placement. Look at the Waza who won top flight at Jeff Cup they don't even play in many tourney's throughout the year and to gain GS points but came into Jeff Cup with a dominating presence. PDA Galaxy barely attends tournaments and look at how this team is quality. Anyone that follows GS at this age is just that a point chaser.
The premier programs try to keep game to practice ratios to a minimum. And they only enter usually 2 tournaments a season. They focus on development not amount of games and scores. Is that the proven formula for long term success? Some would argue more games are beneficial.
"Anonymous said...Playing 8v8 is another great way to gather points."Its a rare coach that will chase point. They exist, and parents love those GotSoccer ranks, and there are coaches looking to climb the escalator of coaching jobs who believe those rankings are another feather in their cap. But do you really think any team actually makes a decision to go 11v11 or stay 8v8 to get points? That's being a bit cynical, no?
Hi everyoneI'm sort of new to the way the whole soccer leagues / teams work etc. I have a U12 that's on a decent team now and 2 others that are younger. What is the best league to be in at U12. I've heard of ECNL, EDP, JAGS, NPL etc. but the whole thing gets confusing to be quite honest.Any info when someone has time would be great. Thank you
Rage Renegades played Jefferson Cup 8v8 because thats how they registered a bunch ago before deciding to go 11v11 without too much time playing 11v11. You'll get a taste this Spring.
10:04 I believe the premier programs have it right by keeping the "game to practice ration to a minimum". In long term it's a formula for individual development as games take away many of the things being taught due to parents pushing the child to win a game. Plus think about how the bottom half your teams development playing a game where they are touching a ball 90% less than practice. How is that beneficial.
Rage looks like a strong team and I'm sure they believe they will be at top of 11v11 standings. State Cup will be a good test. Big feild, big goal and strong players will make it much more difficult. Let's see how they do against crew, who is a better than average team in state cup.
@933, it is hard to judge a team by the division they play in. The blog will disagree (bc that's all they do) but higher level teams are now playing EDP at this age, and ECNL or NPL later on. The higher the flight, the tougher the competition when they are u14 and older. Where a team is playing now is all coaches choice, ask what is the coaches plan for development and how does he/she plan to get the, there? sometimes that means 8v8 or a lower flight
All the 8v8 teams converting this spring and next fall to 11v11will have there transition period I'm sure, but if it helped staying 8v8 to develop the players on there teams it will help in the long run and I'm sure they will have there good moment's as well. Ultimately Galaxy will be tops in the state for this age group it's who falls below them that will be interesting.
@510. Isn't edp one of the divisions of npl? So confusing ! Thanks.
@655 npl takes the top teams from Edp only at u14. Ecnl also has its own npl league which is a closed universe of ecnl npl teams. It's very confusing. But right now. U 13 and under shoul be playing in Edp. U14 and up in an npl leagueHope that helps a little
What is match fit doing at this age? too funny. what a joke.
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