With what players. All good players from crush just left for match fit.
9:04 So what your saying is that ECNL is now making exceptions for a club that has not produced any quality teams on their stance of not having both ECNL and DA?
Ecnl is changing their stance, they are second tier now.
@ March 20, 2017 at 10:00 PM - All the good players that left were so GOOD that they NEVER were successful before the fall 2016 season. Not as Stallion or as Crush players. FAC. They can keep changing clubs but the results speak for themselves. #1-3. Check your facts.
3:57 - I agree. Why do it? Surely there is something closer to you (where ever that may be). In particular at U14, it is more worthwhile for the girls to get training instead. There should be less tourneys at this age and more training. Start the tourney craziness at U15 with a few and increase it at U16. Would help our wallets for sure.
You guys don't understand the importance of playing these tournaments to get placed for following year as college showcases become the place to be. If your team is bottom and will perform poorly then don't go, you're correct there.Of course if your daughter has her sights on DA then these tournaments are the last year for her to play.Ever consider talking to coach or DOC and express your disdain for the tournaments?I have an older daughter---playing Jeff Cup and other tourneys and placing well helped them place in a better position for Disney...where coaches were swarming the sidelines.
9:04 PM may be jumping the gun a little bit. First we are hearing of Cedar Stars and ECNL for this fall.
Why is it that PDA u14 ecnl plays so little?
Based on the 9:04 poster ECNL will be at Bergen for CSA. Not buying that fabrication. ECNL made their picks if there is a second round of acceptances I would bet on a more central or southern county being represented. Already represented in NJ is Mercer, Morris and Somerset county.
Also with WC on the border on Rockland/Bergen, they are basically there already. If anyone thinks that ECNL has accepted that they are "2nd Tier", then you actually have not a clue about what is going on in girls youth soccer. This is all smoke and mirrors so that Matchfit can try to pull off a merger behind ECNL's back.
10:54 pm. Your kids were never successful either. Maybe by combining two decent old 03 teams together and having all the good teams not play state cup you were able to win a meaningless trophy. State cup is a joke and no one thinks that team was better than a b+ team.
I hope cedar stars knows what they are getting into with crush. I have never seen this team or club play, but they own this board and my older daughters two years ago.
@ March 21, 2017 at 10:31 AM - Keep putting down their accomplishments. Jealous. You weren't saying that when you were the coach of the team that won before you got fired. Your statement only makes those others kids look worse since they struggled win at even a lower level of competition. You are entitled to your opinion. The facts are the facts. How did the Heat (former Stallions team) do the year before in the meaningless, no good teams are entered - State Cup. LOST in first round. That speaks volumes. What teams were put together? The age group changed.
I already posted I dont think Cedar - Bergen will get ECNL for this yearBut I disagree that WC being so close will give ECNL pause to give a Bergen affiliate a go.There are just so many talented players in the Bergen area. And some that will come in (already are) from NY state as well.
Imho no way csa gets ecnl unless they purchase mfa. No way ecnl puts a team in direct comp with those teams. Also there are already 14 teams in division. Only way they put another in is down south.
CSA has ugly uniforms.
7:50 - I have an older daughter too (verbally committed). We compete in ECNL so don't need these tourneys at all. And, yes, I have expressed my views. Not distain at all I think they are great, but unnecessary for ECNL. Once GDA kicks in, no more! Yipee.
If daughter is ECNL, I agree with you.
Wrong, these are showcases and Jeff cup is one the top ones. Look at next week and how many PDA teams will be there. Ecnl doesn't give you are free ride.
Not sure what the free ride comment means. Jeff Cup isn't free either (entry fee, ref fees, travel, housing, etc.). So, while PDA may be there, plenty of other ECNL teams sit it out. Many of the older ones are going to Phoenix in a week or so for an ECNL showcase event. They don't want to be dinged up for those. It's not only a showcase, but the games are considered league games and count while the Jeff Cup games do not.
Not showcase at U14...which this blog is.Hence my comment earlier...Jeff Cup is very much worth the ride to perform well and place for future acceptance and showcasing.ECNL teams can go if they want but they market themselves as "the best" and they don't need the "non-ECNL" showcases
ECNL is set for 17/18 season. The person who wrote that has some insight, but that part is wrong.
What part is wrong? I have kids in several age groups including this one, in ECNL. Many ECNL teams do sit out Jeff Cup, in particular the older ones that are scheduled to appear in Phoenix in a few weeks. Those games, in Phoenix, are ECNL league games and count as championship qualifiers whereas Jeff Cup games do not. Once the GDA kicks in, probably many more ECNL teams will make an appearance at various tournaments like Jeff Cup, WAGS, etc. These are very good tourneys and it would be great to see them continue to get more teams that apply. They are part of US youth soccer history.
For ECNL teams U14 and older there isn't a reason to do WAGS or Bethesda. For the most part, ECNL teams doing Jeff Cup are only there so the players that need extra looks from college coaches get them. Many ECNL teams U16 and older don't even bring players to Jeff Cup that are already committed. The structure of the 3 day 3 game showcase format works well. The top showcase events are the ECNL national events for college coaches. ECNL Sanford, ECNL AZ, ECNL NJ and ECNL playoffs draw the most coaches. CASL Showcase during a Final Four year is also a good recruiting event.Jeff Cup, Bethesda, Disney, Vegas, Surf Cup and CASL (during a non Final Four year) are good recruiting events, but don't get the turnout of the ECNL national events.
I believe @8:51 's post was referring back to the comments about cedar Stars Bergen becoming an ECNL CLUB. Seems to be a lot of confusion about the Cedar Stars /crush merger and if MFA has any part in it.
Correct, I was referencing that. I understand the ECNL teams and programs well. The reason they don't play as many games is philosophical. They believe in a training/game ratio and adhere. Additionally, ECNL is expensive on families and coaches and parents have no interest in the extra travel. ECNL requirements are tough enough. It was good to see new alignment. Jersey teams have less travel. No trip to Western NY, and no extra possible trip to Boston or Philly. One added trip to Maryland. ECNL will stay very strong until DA proves it's viable. I know quite a few DA caliber kids who won't even be trying out.
Number one reason teams do Jeff cup and others is for tournament quota. If you are charging people full boat for half seasons, parents expect to play in 3 or 4 tournaments. Parents of 8th through 11th grades are expecting these until the team has all committed.
I know a few that think they (or their parents think) they are DA cailber too that aren't trying out. Reality check. They really aren't DA caliber. Sometimes it's better to think the grapes you can't reach are sour.
Ans you are the best judge of this?
For Matchfit's sake, I hope they aren't teaming up with Cedar Stars. They will lose ECNL and then have nothing at all...OOPS, not true, they will still have the boys ECNL
Starting to doubt that rumor.
CSA doesnt need MFA.. They are doing quite well. Im hearing many MFA parents are getting nervous. Big roster!!
Crush and A game must scare a lot of people and clubs with all the talk any publicity is good publicity!!
Juvenile coaches who think the sun rises and sets on them, so selfish in chasing the dollars they walk from a team mid-season or violate their agreements with their current employers and recruit for another club while still hired elsewhere. And what amazing credentials do these masters of the soccer universe possess? Average quality player at below average college program. All the bullshit and nonsense and ultimately its just about the money and their wallets, the rest is smoke and mirrors. Same with these clubs who claim they are better than the rest and sell out when someone writes them a check. It's called selling out now matter how you describe it otherwise. Crush and AssGame do not scare anyone! They make people sick. The kids solid kids, but they are just players and without real training, 900 scissors in a row wont mean crap to a college coach, and none of it will matter a few years thereafter when the kids end their soccer fun. You cling to crap, don't be surprised when you too get flushed down the drain!
@12:52 amLMAO, "You cling to crap, don't be surprised when you too get flushed down the drain!"Thanks, this cracked me up
2:31Love that metaphor, I need to use it...
1252 - so you are now throwing CRUSH in the same boat as agame?
Kids leaving MFA due to huge roster.. It all about the money folks..
Where are they going? Big clubs are not the place for every kid and they all carry rosters of that size. I agree the 50 or so kids on two rosters is a bit large, and I would guess that will get down to about 22 on each team for the fall and even sooner if kids depart. I hope nobody is leaving during the season. Only 2 months left. Good luck to you if you are speaking about yourself.
They are not leaving, just the crush parent hoping. Sounds like he threw his own club under bus too. About time.
@8:40Who are you trying to kid!? No one is leaving mfa. Everyone is still showing up for practice and riding this shit show out! Trust me, I wish people will leave, but where would they go?! All these clubs at this level will have a huge roster. It's All about the almighty dollar!
New CSA facility is impressive and I was told in the summer there will be additional fields across the street. Brought my kid for a training session and thought they were giving away crack. Tons of kids in the freezing cold. Noticed some wearing MFA & Copa gear? Worried this club is spreading themselves too thin and not enough quality coaches. Was told tryout schedule for next year will be posted on their website soon.
My daughter would never consider wearing that ugly a$$ uniform. PDA has a nice uniform, great color and the girls wear it proudly. Say what you want, but it matters to us mothers and daughters, just like all our other attire.
What I want to say is using the color or appearance of a uniform to choose a club or team is a terrible reason. Coaching talent or style, level of competition, cost, location, environment are important. Uniform color is not important.
My daughter is going into H.S in the fall. I will be looking to put her in a new club. Any suggestions in the Bergen/Passaic/Morris region? I was thinking of WC, SDFC or STA. Any other suggestions?
12:52. What level soccer are you seeking for your daughter. I would suggest to stay away from Matchfit they already have 30 girls rostered on their ECNL team and when they roster for games the girls left on the bench get to go down and play for the NPL team. So that just pushes those girls out of the way.Personally SDFC is overated and expensive for what you get. If your daughter is okay with playing with girls that don't feel the need to participate in any practices or constantly take vacations during important games then this is the club for you. Coach is a miserable person and definitely has his favorite players and parents. Crush is merging with Cedar Stars and will be offering a Bergen county team for the fall of next year. New coach coming to them from another club that has been very successful over the years.If you are seeking a good team that is not in the ecnl level then my suggestions would be1. NJ Crush/ soon to be Bergen Cedar Stars2. NJ Stallions has produced some very competitive high school teams.3. STA is an okay club but very pricey as well.The bottom line they are all pricey. But you don't always get what you pay for on most of them.
Depends on what is important to you. Cant just give you a club not knowing your specifics.I'd send her to three different tryouts. minimally - and pay attention while there.
There is a lot of crazy stuff going on this age group. 6 players from Crush leave to go to a saturated roster at Matchfit. Coach from Clarkstown leaving his team to go to Crush, hoping they will follow him. Lots of instability with clubs right now. My suggestion is as 1:46 says, go to a few tryouts. Most clubs will also let you tryout during a teams training session as well, even though they do not advertise that. If you know players at other clubs talk to them. U15 is an important age
12:52pm. Look at the coach, the style of play of the team, the amount they do for the money you pay, the roster size, the track record the coach has of putting players into college for soccer. Attend some training sessions before tryouts and it will work itself out. There aren't a huge amount of competitive teams in the area so your selection is small.There is only one coach at Stallions who has placed players in College and his style has a lot to be desired. He doesn't coach the 03 age group and this current age group for Stallions is not strong.SDFC have little to no history of placing female players into Colleges. And rumor has it the SDFC 03s are close to falling apart. A good little team though.STA just had a large amount of Seniors commit to Schools. A little more expensive than others though. Again a good team.The Crush/CSA merger will be interesting. Not sure what to expect there but with the Clarkstown coach growing to Crush i suspect some players may follow. Tough to know what to expect from Crush this Spring given all the changes.MF. They've been spoken about far too much and have a football sized roster.
Hadnt heard about the Clarkstown coach. Didnt he have a great team there? Why did he leave?Maybe this was after the C Stars thing was announced and he was hired ahead of the mad rush....Heard Crush was keeping all staff in place as Cedars staff, by the way.
He had a good team. Lost quite a few last year. Haven't heard why he left, but it was abrupt. The guy is a legend in his own mind though
Realistically what level of player is your kid. Of her previous teammates that have left, what club and team are they on. If you live in Morris, MFA is the best club even though they get killed here. Top team is ECNL and 2nd team plays at the same level as the other's top teams. When MFA is done with their upgrades, the ECNL team is going to be very good, and the NPL team will be competitive at their level. Put your kid where she can succeed.
6:02pm. "2nd team plays at the same level as the other's top teams" Hahaha. What?!You do realize they are 2nd from bottom in their league with 2 wins and 10 losses? 10 goals scored and 36 conceded. Yes that's definitely on par with the SDFCs and STAs. Clearly your opinion counts for nothing if you believe that the MF 2nd team is the same level as others in the area.
CRUSH doesn't have any decent coaches, that's why every year, all the top players leave.They are a overpriced regional club. CSA will do nothing for them. It's like PDA shore, except they get nice Nike uniforms.
Do all those teams play in the NPL? I am not passing judgement on the merits of each team, just pointing out that they are all NPL teams. Also too late for this year, what do you think those teams will look like at U15-U18?
NPL is dead. You play there, you are third level down.
Most ECNL clubs NPL teams are weaker then the clubs that play in the NYCSL NPL league. Fact been in both. Kids that don't play on the ECNL level would prefer to be on the A team of an NPL club. And to clear up CS and ecnl. The plan is 2018/2019 season. Cedar Stars has tons of financial backing hence why they are building great facilities and received DA. They will likely end up eating up MF and take over northern NJ talent. Money and facilities leads the way in this money driven sport.
Clarkstown was great at u13 but that coach not a good development coach. Who cares if he goes to crush. Just one more reason not to go not to mention the 3k price tag for B- soccer and training. Lost top 6 03s and lost top 3 02s recently. Sdfc is in great dispair. All their better players have been at other practices. That club might be out of business very soon. Coach is an A$$ and not good at developing kids. STA a nice less intense club. stallions if your kid can play for SC and survive she will be better for it. arsenal max good trainer intense would be playing up with other top 03. Mfa if she is good enough to start will be playing and training with a lot of good girls. WC next best if shes good enough for ecnl. But realize weak track record for colleges. pda if she can
10:27 Good analysis. I did hear Arsenal Coach has moved on to a new club. Also, with the mess MFA is having, I would put WC behind PDA
3:15SDFC has 2 Villanova commits and a Vermont commit for class of '18
I'd look real hard at Cedar Stars - Bergen (NJ CRUSH)Coaching roster is supposed to remain stable, which puts Montclair State coach (underrated) at the helm of the '03s (as well as his '01s)
Changes in this age group are happening faster than this board can keep up with! Maximus (older kids), and Clarkstown on the move?If you are serious about changing a club don't just attend tryouts. Contact the coach, attend couple of practices, talk to the coach, talk to your kid. Figure out how much play time you will get and where and ask yourself if your kid wants to do that change.
What is the difference between NYCSL NPL, northeast NPL and EDP NPL?
as the girls go to u15 high school range do most clubs train at all during the fall? when do they usually start up the winter training? how many times per week do most train during the winter and then spring, and what kind of money do most programs cost? I was looking at my current club and there isn't much difference between the u14 and the u15 costs and yet they don't do too much over the fall. I couldn't get a great answer, but I'm just curious since its a lot of money. its a couple of grand every year, does it ever stop!!!! ;))
For the most part, everything costs a lot more for the older teams. Tournaments increase dramatically at U15 as they are now "showcases". Coaches get paid more $ at my club, because they are traveling farther for games and tournaments. They are also responsible for contact with colleges for players looking to pursue college careers. Referee fees practically double at the older ages too, and depending on which you play in, leagues require refs of higher licensing levels to ref. Also, most HS teams start up in late fall, so your only missing 2 months. Our club starts full training in late October with our first tournament in November.
@6:42 - how do you figure out how much playing time you will get? would be great if you could do that, but realistically how is that even possible?
You can find out her roster ranking. Top 6, middle or bottom 6. Knowing rank should give a realistic idea of expected playing time.
Like i said if she can be top 6-9 on mf its a good place. Dont want to be bottom 15. That should all take shape next 3 weeks people will know where they stand.
The Cedar Stars owner is close to obtaining a full girls development academy for the Bergen Divison. Based on the population density the the USSF sees no issues. They had previously offered one to the NY Red Bull's (said no) in Whippany at the same time as LA Galaxy (who said yes). The coach movements to CSA Bergen are related to this as well as Capelli is helping to set up a performance center in New Jersey for the USSF National Coaches School to make it easier for Coahes to attain their A license which is required for all DA coaches. CSAs owner is working very closely with the USSF in many fronts. Announced today he just took a majority stake in the Harrisburg City Islanders USL pro team. USSF wants to make the USL the US Professional Division II with eventual promotion and relegation with the MLS. http://www.uslsoccer.com/news_article/show/773571?referrer_id=2333971#.WNU7MHnmAOs.facebook
This breaking credar stars news is exactly why DA will be garbage. Already too many teams to be truly elite. Its all about the $$$$. Not about development. Go to the clubs that get you into college.
Go PDA. 'Nuff said.Go to any tournament and see if they even recognize CSA, MF, SDFC, STA, Blah blah blah.
Sticking with ecnl. GDA is a distaster, a power - money play. All about getting into college and having fun.
How much were they charging you for DA, 8:21?
Not confirmed, but said about the same as ecnl. Don't care about the money, I care that they care.
5.5K+ for most girls DA. Does not include travel. Figure all in 10K.
9:47 What club is charging that? That is way off the price I got
Screw all the fancy training! Why pay all that money when you can play for Liverpool. Lololololol what a joke bet no one shows for try outs this weekend.
More helpful would be to post what cost you got and from what club.
I'm sure you will be there and we all know who you are.
Max/Aresnal coach going to NJ Stallions in fall. NJ Stallions 02 and 03 will be strong next season.
Where did you hear CSA will have DA in Bergen CO?
11:39 There won't be a DA in Bergen. NYCFC has the area. They are not going to upset one of the few MLS clubs that is investing in the DA. Maybe in the future, but definitely not now
Max coach is hard a$$ trainer and girls will be in great shape. They won't have any fun with him. Most important, he can't help during the critical recruiting years. Not good timing if you want college.
The DA will be in Bergen by the Fall of 2018. Done deal.
sure, and crush will do well at Jeff cup. MF and CSA will happen in 17.
wasnt there a DA meeting this past week where they were discussing new members and playing in high school? any updates anyone may know?
The DA for the girls will be about $2500 for tuition plus travel. It will be about $5500 all in. DA will train 4 days per week. The USSF offers scholarships ($1600) for families with a financial need. ECNL is averaging close to $5500 per year for tuition plus travel but have only 2 trainings per week and there is not fall.NYCFC, the Red Bull's, and all of the other MLS Development Academies add completely free for the boys (tuition amd travel). PDA and CSA Monmouth are free tuition for the two older groups U17 and U19 but you still pay around $3500 to travel. The girls DA will not be free initially but will still be a better value and a much higher caliber then ECNL.
DA - no track they will get you to college. Why take the risk.
For the person who keeps saying CSA Bergen DA done deal...show proof??
Proof? This board should be all about trust!
In Altirs We Trust. Legend.
I have heard the same thing from the CRUSH ownership. That's why we are staying around.
Trust? More like BS
OK, let's look at what you're saying here. In one sentence you say that US Soccer was trying to get Red Bulls and LA Galaxy to take a GDA team. Obviously, they want the support of NWSL and MLS teams to promote their cause. Then NYCFC comes in and takes WC's spot at the table. Great, another MLS team! Now you are saying that US Soccer thinks that it is a good idea, before they even start their first season, to take another club in the same region as NYCFC? That makes no sense at all, sorry. Can I see them putting another DA is Passaic or Morris? Sure, why not. But putting another DA that is already got an MLS club already? Nah, I call BS on this one.
Time will tell.
Players at CSA Crush Bergen North Orange Green blender mix club will be pawns and chips in CSA owners' plan to take over the soccer planet, perhaps to buy or own an MLS team like the two Div 2 pro teams he now owns. So if you think you'll have any stability in that environment as a normal person, good luck. And Academy kids cant play high school ball. Sounds like a great situation.
Crush needs to focus on their own kids, that's why everyone leaves.
Hmm. Southern cali is thriving with 14 DA clubs (jump from ECNL) within 50 mile radius. Hopefully more clubs around Nj - especially in south jersey and east ny will jump on board if we want to keep regional parity. Kids shouldn't have to drive 30+ miles to practice to get quality training and competition.
The LA Galaxy has TWO girls DA, one in Carson and one in Carlsbad down by San Diego. LAFC the new MLS club has a girls DA from a partnership with Slammers FC (Costa Mesa). There are 4 in a very close proximity (Pateadores in Costa Mesa and Beach FC in Torrance) with a fraction of the density and population of NYC and North Jersey. NYC has the top four most densely populated counties in the US, Hudson County, NJ is nimber 6. NYCFC first team trains at SUNY Purchase (moving to its new facility in Orangebug in the fall 2018 ) and the boys DA trains at St. John's University in Queens with no expectation of changing. The fact that the girls DA will train out of WCFCs facility is irrelevant to the fact that the USSF wants more girls DAs, especially in the NYC area.You have to take a step back and have some perspective. The USSF started the girls DA as a direct response to the failings they identified in girls development and particularly the ECNL. The key issues were an average of 2 days a week training in a shortened season, lower quality coaches, high fees, and exclusionary/anti competitive behavior. The purpose of the DA is to provide better development at a lower cost and provide opportunities to players who can't afford ECNL or the like. The ECNL lobby was very powerful and objected to no avail.
But the DA will cost $$
The da is just a power trip and money grab, just like ecnl. They can't just give it to anyone and water it down.
mr 2:01, or should we say mr Cedar Stars admin or lobbyist...you seem to know ever nuance and wrinkle under the sun, probably copy and paste of your pitch to US Soccer for status. How about we send you a hat or a TShirt that says Masters of the Universe and lets get back to an enjoyable thing.
This is tne CRUSH guy, hoping for CSA to save them. Bergen girls...
Is PSA taking over Stallions teams and coaches? Age group change and DA debacle are just a background noise compared to natural coaching changes in NJ. Go small!PS. also happening to agree with 2:01 - that ECNL was an underperforming product, based on individual successes of, ahem, PSA and Stallions teams (at least on paper!!!). Where do I get a hat?
PSA =Princeton. Someone is referring to a couple coaches leaving Stallions to go there, a new satelite location in Bergen (Fort Lee) this fall.
Iga, PSA, sta, crush, stallions, Bergen Bulldogs, Maximus, tsf, sdfc.Who says we don't have clubs?
Would be nice if stallions and PSA merged. I could see them getting an ecnl and da.
If stallions & PSA big ego coaches could live in harmony - top DA club in the area. We can only dream
that new club is going to be based out of Fort Lee. I was told its one or two ex-Stallion's coaches and few others starting up a new group in Fort Lee and Englewood NJ area. That's a pretty good call if they can find fields because not too many clubs service that area. Da? ECNL?Lets not get silly.
PSA announce PSA North out of Ft. Lee High School run by 2 former Stallions Coaches. http://www.princetonsoccer.org/Default.aspx?tabid=924390
For any parents who want to be educated about the Development Academy program and why it is the lowest cost and highest level training/competition (by far), here is a link to a January 2015 interview with Tony Lepore, formerly the Director of Scouting for the USSDA and current USSF Director of Talent Identification.https://www.socceramerica.com/article/62287/development-academy-making-progress-and-staying.htmlhttps://www.socceramerica.com/article/62288/improved-coaching-is-the-priority-tony-lepore.htmlFACTS:* Over 100 clubs in 7.5 years and it has become "THE SCOUTING PLATFORM FOR COLLEGE COACHES".* 90% of the Boys Youth National Team comes from DAs; players have a streamlined pathway to YNT scouting* The addition of more clubs at U13/14 (and U12) helps reduce travel* Increasing financial aid with the goal of ultimately elimination pay-for-play*Coaching quality and coach education is the biggest single focus of the DAs; Academy Clubs are hosting courses and their clubs have priorityBOTTOM LINE*The girls DA will be the only elite girls program in the US by January of 2018. If you build it they will come.*When the top players from each team join the academy system, the next tier will follow. This is deliberate by the USSF.*Any current national team or market center player will not be given an exception because they want to play high school or want to stay with their friends on their current team. You will be dropped from the pool because its the only way they can ensure that the best players will come.
Pretty scary stuff for most. This is for the overly obsessed parents and kids. Not sure my daughter wants to be a market center player, what ever that is?
10:53 is missing some huge points. Girls and boys are different. The ECNL did not exist for boys when the DA was formed. In addition, US club runs the ECNL they are going nowhere. DA is not a great fit for a lot of girls. Too many days a week, too much soccer over other sports. Too many kids whose goal is Club/HS/college and see no benefit of the DA. It's the same player pool, not like they are importing a few thousand foreigners. If your current college pool is 3k kids, so what if 800 go to the DA, they all still go to college. BTW, if people think an extra 3 hours a week with a magical DA trainer will make you kid the next great, that's silly. It's the same trainers. Finally, DA will be a wonderful option for many girls. Bottom line, there is room for both.
We will see what the market will bear. Will there be any downward pressure on cost and travel due to increased competition in the market for players?
IGA, PSA, ST, Crush, Stallions, Maximus, TSF, SDFC... = lots of guys with making lots of money off of girls soccer in NJ..and with little results.You can define results in a number of ways..
11:02 The players on the teams you reference receive quality training and all improve if they put in the effort. The other alternative is for parents to learn how to coach and take the game back from the hired trainers.... hopefully that's a task for the current group of players as they get older.
11:02am-How do you define results? Rate the trainers of these clubs at these age groups for us then if you are the wealth of knowledge. Seeing as how it's tryout season i'm sure we're all interested to know who you rate as the highest.
Nobody knows how DA changes things, but PDA and MFA are miles ahead when it comes to college. Even on boys side MFA comes right after PDA and CSA for college.
I forgot Red Bulls #1 on boys side.
1109 - all good trainers, as long as you have the cash. If you are good enough, just go to PDA and the ride will come. You have to be very good though. Pda does have a 20 percent drop off, not a 60 to 70 percent like your diluted pools. That's your problem and will never go away, when the new kid shows up every week trying to start the next best club.
Isn't PDA just an aggregator of girls that were properly trained by PSA, SDFC, Crush, Stallions,STA coaches? Seriously how many kids that played PDA at U10 are still playing ECNL at U15?!Aren't the top players from these clubs doing the same level of training as future DA? So puzzled by the haters up in here.
I'd say 50% or so of the LYON/Galaxy U10/U11 year are still on the ECNL team or Pre-ECNL team. Kids that got hurt most were the late year birthdates. Someone close please correct me if I am wrong.
810 -Yes, you are correct. Most came from crush, stallions and psa. Even though psa was rec and stallings and crush both sucked at those age groups and all others. I think they all came to save some money too. Most girls were brought up from u5 from those clubs, don't know we're they would be without them? They all have full rides at PDA and play 100 percent. I heard 90 percent of the girls from PDA are gone from u10 and only a few left from u11 and 12. Brutal, don't go to that place.
We just moved into the PA-East area.Homework shows :Penn Fusion (DA) - regardless of recruiting top players, is the coaching quality and is playing time fair? If this is a 'toxic' environment where the cream rises to the top, is that's what best for a 14 yr old?FC Bucks (ECNL) - losing their coach or have already lost their starting coach this season, several age appropriate players playing up on 02 team, several young players playing up, getting crushed in ECNL scheduleContinental FC (ECNL) - they are losing their coach, new DOC coming in to coach but heard this person is out of state and may not even be available for tryoutsLehigh Valley (EDP) - coach has decent track record but have heard parents say that they play very direct and not enough possessionHow far away is PDA South from Philly???
11:18 - these are my comments:Penn Fusion - The environment is built to be competition and hard work at all times. TM is the coach of the '03 team this year, and CS will take over next year. CS is highly regarded and will definitely make your kid better. This team is already very good and I don't know how many changes will be made going into next year. I don't know the dynamics of the team on who is leaving or any of that though I assume much of the team will stay intact. Kid's are already coming to practices with the team, which will be essential since DA tryouts are only 1 day. I know you have to apply so maybe that will keep numbers down, but last year there were 100 kids for ECNL tryouts. Pretty hard to stand out if they don't already know you.Bucks - I don't know much about them except that they haven't been good and I don't see how that changes drastically heading into next seasonContinental - They haven't listed a coach so guessing PG is not coming back. My assumption is that Continental will improve as far as results if any kids who do not want DA, due to wanting to play other sports or play for school, come here. If you want to play at a high level and don't want DA in Eastern PA, I'd assume you would look to go to Continental before looking at Bucks. I'm not sure where else you'd go to play at a high level without DA to be honest. I don't know anything about Lehigh or PDA south.
Bucks has good coaches and has been successful for many years. They will benefit like Match Fit and Continental from kids wanting to play ECNL and will pick up kids from NJ and PA. It is all very cyclical. And, because of all of the changes with birth year and now ECNL vs. GDA, no telling what will happen. Certainly worth checking out as well.
I think 1118 and 1136 are sisters
How are cherry hill and rush in south jersey in this age group? How is their training?
I begged him with everything, I made promises but he refused. guidancesports.com
This year SJEB and rush will merge to form SJEB rush 03 team. The merger should create a pretty competitive team/environment. Don't know about cherry hill.
Tryouts this weekend for Liverpool FC
Where is Liverpool FC playing out of - web site suggests Texas?
3:54 appears to be a troll. Gotta work around it. :)
Liverpool is a cool little quaint village heading north on US 15 in PA.You can drop off kids for tryouts and find a XXX dive to hang out within stone's throw. Then you can jump in the Susquehanna river to wash off.
Clickk here for Liverpool - NJ Tryout page
No way I'm clickkkking on that link...
#ecnlphx in 4 days. Lets go Region 1
Will all MF players fly out? First loss today with the new 28 person roster.
Tied yesterday and lost today. The Average-Gamers bringing their "A" Game. Same old story. Ties and losses. Just what they are known for. I'm sure the style and flair was impressive. Ha
10:21 im not sure who sucks more you or your kid. What was she not invited to A5? Whatever A game did for your kid im sure it helped her game. If she wasnt a favorite sorry. But she certainly got better under him. Now you are stuck with C-game coaches at crush. A subsidiary of a B level DA at cedar stars which apparently had some incident recently. Stop your whining. Your kid will be stuck in neutral while others progress for the next 8 months. If you arent PDA DA you are not in a better spot than mf. Those teams will be sorted by next year. Will have a top ecnl and npl team.
Some tool is getting upset with what the current FACTS are. Have no idea what the future may bring. The FACTS are the FACTS. 28 players and a team that is in 10 place and a team that tied and lost this weekend with its new "A" Game roster. Live in the moment since no one knows what the future may be. I guess the MF coaches are doing a great job being in 10 place.
Both games were lower end bracket league games.
28 is a lot of kids. how will you guys work out the trip this week?
Expensive trip, only 18 will go. Assume non of the new kids will be on that bus.
5:24 AM - Nice comments DV. Keep up the good work and keep alienting the rest of the soccer coaches in North Jersey. You are very well liked. Ha.
MFA has one kid who is an elite goal scorer. Anyone who has played this team knows who that is. When she is out they struggle to score. Not sure if any of the new kids are elite goal scorers, but MFA beat both the CT teams in the fall I think. Work in progress. Will see them in a few weeks.
The new girls are not goal producers.
MFA U17s and U18s are nationally elite teams and will be in the mix for championships IMO, especially 18s. U14-U16, works in progress. Some of the pieces in place good teams, but not nationally or regionally elite. Younger teams range from a mess to excellent. Club knew there would be growing pains with move north and age change. All in all, good club, same issues as every other club. The biggest of which is parents who have no realistic understanding of how good there kids are. BTW, they rank the kids but my guess is some parents are too detached to realize it.
@11;34 Of course they rank the kids, all the clubs do. The question is, how do parents know where their player is ranked? No one wants to ask the coach. If your kid is not playing much, they aren't ranked high. Simple. I don't think parents are detached.
1134 is a coach or doc from MF. Pretty sad organization.
28 on a roster for a team that is ranked bottom third in league is very impressive.How they can have so many paying for this is impressive. Why not try to play PDA ecnl?That team will be looking for girls next year as half the team probably moves to the DA.Call me crazy, but given the choice between the two, I would go PDA. And pretty sure their staff doesn't watch this blog....
We do now....
give MF a break. they beat FC Bucks...
Parent, not a Doc or Coach. I have empathy for many of the current group. Some of the things posted here are just nuts though. PDA ECNL as a great option is an example. Yes it is, but do you understand how tough those teams are to make, and BTW they roster a boat load of kids as well. Grass is always greener.
I agree, 11:34 is either the ecnl director or doc. I am a mfa parent. Fortunately, my daughter is a starter and seems to still be a starter despite all these mid season additions. With that being said, she will be looking elsewhere come 5-1. Why? Simple, this club seems dirty to me. Bringing on so many, even though I know they can, seems wrong and unethical. Give them offers for the next season but let them fulfill their obligations to their team and mfa should fulfill their obligations to the current team. Even to my kid, at 14, she is disgusted. There are players on this team who are not being rostered or moving to npl who are not being given a chance. One in particular stands out and my daughter can't believe that she wasnt rostered this past weekend. I watched the new girls playing in her position. One was very good, the others were good but not great. The thing that sucks about that is that these A GAME girls are a group package. Meaning , this one player who didnt get rostered probably won't have much of a shot now even though the new girl is just average because mfa won't have the balls to single one of them out. My daughter plays confidently and she will thrive anywhere. I will not continue to line matchfits pockets with my hard earned cash when it is clear that they are only money hungry peeps. And we are in 10th place and it doesn't look like that is going to change anytime soon. Wc and pda are looking better and better and they may just like taking my daughter off of mfa's hands.
I found this quote funny from the Average Game facebook pageRespect the Training Honor the Commitment Cherish the ResultsSeems like the second line doesn't apply to him or the players that left NJ Crush halfway through a season with their teammates stranded. The guy is such a tool.
He is a fraud. What a joke of a statement from Ass Game. Clearly he doesn't practice what he preaches. He has embarrassed himself and the families he conspired with. I don't even think all the Average Gamers played in both games this past weekend. For Ass Game the grass is greener in his pocket as that is what is important to him which he is entitled to. The question is at what cost to your reputation.
2:36 I am so glad someone else said it. My daughter said the same thing to us this weekend. Team unity is a huge factor and our girls are a casualty of this merger of teams. I have already emailed NYCFC, PDA and WC about my daughter. Funny thing is, NYCFC isn't an ECNL club so she can try out with them tonight.
Is MF trying to build up their younger squads? Pre-ecnl (current U12) U13 in fall aren't too competitive. I wonder what the turnout will be at tryouts. I'm not sure avout the current U13s?
You say PDA is so hard. I'm sure they have a drop off like every other team and have 4 to 6 that can be replaced. There roster looks like 20, so not huge. And I agree, next year will be much easier because a lot of the girls will play DA and open up ECNL spots.
CRUSH guy is back. So obvious, not worth posting...
Is no one considering that the ECNL teams are just that close in parity (even PDA lost to East Meadow, right?). Sometimes even close in parity to the NPL teams. MFA lost a lot of its shine in transition while WC, PDA and NPL clubs got better. Natural for change to happen, i assume everything will change next year again.What's the deal with DA tryouts for ECNL players - are there official rules?
I don't think people even know how hard it is to make the top PDA team. Their second team is very good (fast, press high and move the ball well). Kids that made ID2 and were good/confident players had hard time cracking into the top team (not necessarily on the 2003 team) But I would assume the same case to be true.
whoa, PDA lost to East Ghetto, err Meadow?
thats funny. When PDA loses 1 in 20 or so games, they become the same as MF.
Yes, MF is on par witn every ecnl team. The rankings are not fair. We should have beat WNY, they had 5 un-answered goals. Now that we have the new girls, we have become much stronger too.
As I said, I am parent not a coach or doc. My kid is happy, and it sounds like same team. Good luck to you. Zero hard feelings.
9:57 PM - Are you nuts? MF is in 10th place out of 14 teams. And if you think the new girls are going to help you are going to be very disappointed. Get ready for a long and frustrating spring season. Good luck with that team chemistry.
@2:36 - it is sad that politics play over talent - of the 6 six girls that moved from Crush to MFA only two are possibly ECNL level players. the others, as you said, are part of the package. We saw the nepotism at Crush of the kids that did average game with average DV. They barely came out of the game and were convinced by average game guy that they were better then they were bc they didn't have to earn their playing time. DV sends out an email at beginning of season telling all the parents and players that if a player is not fit and doesnt hustle they will lose playing time. He forgot to add that the rule didnt apply to his A gamers. And now they will suffer the repercussions bc it will only be a matter of time that MF will realize only a third of the six girls can play at ecnl level. what will they do when they are moved to an inferior NPL MF team. As players move up in leagues, speed because so much more important. and I can't imagine MF parents will sit on the sideline or even at home when their daughter isn't rostered for games, and not complain. Time bomb waiting to go off.
MF ECNL is no better than most NPL teams. Next year ECNL will be the new NPL. They should be fine. MF will also lose many kids to travel and pure frustration with the club. PDA and CS will take the top 6 players for GA and a few others will go to PDA ECNL. MF is a very average club across tne board and year in and year out create internal team issues.
9:47 which two?
Matchfit had a decent run when they first began in ECNL. They took the whole Montclair Colchester group a few years ago and built their reputation on that group. No doubt that group of girls were a dream team. All went High level D1. After that team left, while they still had a few talented players who were siblings of one of the Colchesters, they have not done anything...oops, I take that back they did manage to take on a group of players from a club in Sparta, runaway with the league at U14 last year, then fired their coach and the team up and left. After this years U18 team graduates out, it does not look good for MF
Everyone knows these boards are mostly packed with morons withh some good insight sprinkled in. This u14 blog takes the cake for high moron to low good info ratio. You guys should spend some time on the older blogs and learn something. This group really knows nothing about how it works out there. Good luck next year at start up DA programs. If you are not PDA you are screwed. Pda, pf, MF the only programs in nj area producing consistent college players. Look at wc last five years. Extremely weak. Good luck DA. Dumb Ass.
1153 - you are backing up MF, so you must have a daughter on that team. Who is the dumb ass?
@11:02 AM - DV you tell us? Which two have the most style and flair?
thanks MF for just confirming that we want nothing more to do with you. We will finish out this year, because unlike you, we made a commitment and we do not go back on our commitments. I'd rather have my kid play on a town team than subject her to the morals and standards you set. This moron is taking her daughter elsewhere, and I will try to take as many of our other moronic friends with us. I hear Crush has a great new coach coming in.
This is the craziest blog ever. You should remember that these are young girls who play on every one of the teams mentioned on here. Shame on some people who are writing and bringing them down. A lot of issues here with adults and supposedly good parents. The group who showed me this blog are laughing but quite frankly I find it disturbing. Time to reflect and use your time productively rather than bringing down 14 year old girls. These girls could easily read this blog. Keep that in mind. And yes, I'm a parent and it doesn't matter from which team or town. Good day!
1:38The issue is out there. And is being discussed here. This type situation affects so many - At issue:a) A club fired a coach midseason for what they felt was an unforgiveable transgression. Should they have waited?b) The coach committed the transgression. When caught - and fired, should HE have behaved differentlyc) The parents who were playing for this coach - could THEY have remained at the club under a very good replacement coach and gone elsewhere at season's end?d) The new club, taking in 6 players at an inopportune time for the rest of the team - just to get kids (numbers and talent) in the program - possibly a coach as well. Lets continue
@1:38Give it a break lady. The issues are with clubs, coaches and parents. Crush parents are idiots for abandoning their old team and mfa club is crap for taking all those kids on to an already large roster. If kids know about this blog it's bc their big mouth parents told them about it. And the facts don't lie, mfa still didn't get a win with any of the new players. Zero chemistry, zero comaraderie, they will continue to lose bc its karma.
@ 2:43. Your facts are incorrect. I think it is time everyone move on from this and wish all these kids and teams well for the season. There is a 50/50 split in regards to what was done wrong by both sides. Just like in American football, penalties offset- replay the down!!! #NJSOCCER
2:48 PM - 2:43 is NOT incorrect. Those are the FACTS. Believe and twist what you want. I'm still waiting to hear what the Crush management did wrong? Let me put it this way. If you were an athletic director at a college and you got wind that your head coach was telling his players to transfer to another program that you compete with what would you do as the employer.
2:59 Unfortunately Crush is guilty of the same thing with the Clarkstown coach
fake news - the clarkstown coach took a job for next year and was upfront with Clarkstown - they in turn fired him. He has not steered any girls from Clarkstown to Crush
Exactly. Keep distorting the truth. The facts are the facts.
I'm curious as who is supposed to be swayed by any of the above arguments? Is it about people coming out to be apologetic, guilt tripping or monetary compensation? A lot of energy being spent in front of a computer and not training!
What about when one of your big wig coach left torpedoes red and came with a huge part of a team? And left all the girls behind? What about when you and a bunch of players did the same thing? Only difference is that it was end of so called season... I remember when soccer was a fall sport and baseball and Lacross was spring.
None of the clubs care about the coaches and how good they are, they just care about how many players they can bring and recruit. Club makes about 1k profit per kid, they all add up. Has anyone ever heard of a coach leaving PDA and kids following them? Has anyone ever heard of a coach leaving a club and taking a whole group to PDA?
I've heard of small clubs becoming PDA at the shore or south of jersey.
I'm confused...is Susan Rice Russian?
Well it's official... Match fit is taking 5 agamers to Phoenix as some original players rostered dropped off probably due to disgust with the treatment of this club. Team is a mess girls are upset which will result in poor play. Hope the ones going are at least making a vacation out of the trip. Reading through prior blogs totally agree two girls from agame are good players. what is funny is that one in particular got 100 percent playing time this weekend. just because someone is big doesn't make them a better player. Personally feel this player is lazy, had poor ball handling skills and was calling the midfielders back to her before passing balls. Really if you can't pass to the midfield you have no business on the field at this level Should take bets on how many goals she scores for the other team. Also started mouthing off with parents from other team. Parents were wrong for starting but she wasn't corrected for her behavior... In fact when the most recent player dropped off roster she wa invited. May 1 can't come soon enough.....
Phoenix is beautiful this time of year....
MF is a disgrace. These players have earnerd nothing on their own. Not their fault. They have and are being put in situations where they are not qualified for. These girls have been paying Average Game and in turn he is vested to be their advocate. The girl you are referencing has been put in a bad position. She is in way over her head. Not her fault. She shouldn't have been on starter on the a team at Crush and maybe shouldn't have been on the a team at all. Several girls on the b team were/are better. AgaIn a false sense of security that was given by Average Game. Not the kids fault at all.
To all my fellow MF parents who are unhappy, I strongly recommend you start reaching out to other teams now to let them know your child is interested in trying out with their club. If it is another ECNL club, we have to wait until May 1st to tryout. We do not have to wait to bring the girls to Non-ECNL clubs tryouts. I brought my daughter to NYCFC's already, and will bring her to any other club that will keep her love for soccer intact. Do not wait until May 1st to take action. That is an ECNL only rule.
Me again, you can call me "moron" Matchfit Man. Just thought I'd post tryout information for my fellow Matchfit parents. We can attend this one for Crush. Monday April 24th 6:30pm-8pm AND Thursday April 27th 6:30pm-8pm
I'm sure any MF players that want to move now would be welcome at Crush as they only have 10 players on the NPL team.
Highly doubt kids paid for and decided to skip AZ. Not sure how many you can take, but they need to field the best team they can with the roster they have.
There were originally 16 rostered. Three pulled out and then the five crush girls were added for a total of 18 going. The crush girls did nothing for us this weekend except further divide the girls.
Is anyone looking into the new PSA location in Fort Lee?
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