Wow Mexico giving out WNT a overall better game than Costa Rico. Again different game style it's the WMT athleticism that is prevailing.
Next weekend's Virginia Friendlies schedule posted. U13 bracket as follows:Bracket ANEW JERSEY G03NJ1 (NJ)NORTH CAROLINA G03NC1 (NC)VIRGINIA G03VA1 (VA)Bracket BMARYLAND G03MD1 (MD) PENNSYLVANIA EAST G03EPAPHILA1 (PAE) WEST VIRGINIA G03WVA2 (WV) Bracket CMARYLAND G03MD2 (MD) NEW JERSEY G03NJ2 (NJ) NORTH CAROLINA G03NC2 (NC) PENNSYLVANIA WEST G03PAW1 (PAW) Bracket DNORTH CAROLINA G03NC3 (NC) PENNSYLVANIA EAST G03EPALANCO (PAE) PENNSYLVANIA WEST G03PAW2 (PAW) VIRGINIA G03VA2 (VA) Bracket EDELAWARE G03DEL1 (DE)MARYLAND G03MD3 (MD) PENNSYLVANIA EAST G03EPAPHILA2 (PAE) VIRGINIA G03VA3 (VA) Bracket FNEW JERSEY G03NJ3 (NJ) PENNSYLVANIA EAST G03EPALEHIGH (PAE) PENNSYLVANIA WEST G03PAW3 (PAW) WEST VIRGINIA G03WVA1 (WV)
@10:31 WC practices 3x a week
How much does ODP in PA cost ? Also, do they have cuts ? My daughter was naming girls that are on the team and for lack of a better term, they aren't that good.Just wondering if it is just another money maker for these coaches.
Pa odp is about 1k, not including travel. Rosters aren't good at all for 2003 or 2004. None of the strongest players in our club went out for it. You can spend your 1k on private training or a few camps instead. Plus, the best girls do us training centers for extra exposure
Yes, PAE ODP has cuts. Up to and including U13, PAE ODP teams are regionally based; generally Central PA, Northeast PA, and Philly area. U14 and above are consolidated in the Philly area. Player quality all depends on who attends tryouts. Obviously, some players are better than others, but just about all top teams are represented, including those with reputations like PF. There are also many surprise talents who for one reason or another have not competed on teams above a "town team" level. For political or other reasons unknown to me, there are also many players from top teams that are not nominated or do not otherwise receive invitations to the training centers. There are many players that have not attended a training center that are as good or better than those that have. There is no perfect ID process, and ODP provides a relatively self-driven path for a player to gain exposure.
So true. ODP is more diamond in the rough -- there's little real competition and no standings to worry about, so they can see what they can do with a player. Training center is more who's parents have done something for the coach and what pull does the coach have. Some in training center didn't even make the state ODP elite scrimmage. The former will probably overtake the latter soon.
All a coach can do is recommend a player. Once there it's up to the player to prove to national coaches that they deserve to be there. Some girls are cut after a month which looks bad on that coach who recommended them. Some girls stay in the training centers for years. Those are your truly talented.
Agree different paths and we should be fortunate to have different paths. As many players get missed out on every year. The Training Centers also seem to be heavily involved with ECNL clubs as well.
And that's exactly what happens. Only 10% of the youngest end up on the next year's list. Few start at the beginning and go through. Why would they? If she is talented enough to be a great soccer player, then she's probably playing basketball or volleyball or a few something elses at the young ages. It is the ones that don't have much going for them in the physical dept that specialize early and work on skills early.Former training center kids end up getting cut by their teams by 13 or 14.
Too many coaches recommend girls that should not be there which is a shame because the girls are cut right away. Strong technical ability and soccer IQ is a must at these training centers or a player will not be there long. I've seen it time and time again. Of coarse you will have many ecnl players as ecnl is a league that has a ton of talent. However, there is plenty there who are non ecnl.
They should poll the players. I know they are kids, but these girl's have a pretty good idea who is who on the field.
Please there is much child to child or parent to parent poaching that happens at the Training centers. It's a way for the ECNL clubs to get their players as well.
Players can go where they wish. The various options are not some sort of secret that would remain unknown save for a training center, odp or some other program.
Poll the players? Only if you want a roster of girls who like the same boy band, wear the same brand of clothes, or some other irrelevant marker of conformity. There's already enough of the mediocre middle banding together to not pass to the better players. There's already enough of the mediocre majority re-imagining victories as being due to their efforts primarily.
Many are very capable of respecting strong players.
Unlike NJ and DE, PAE ODP rosters by name are available online. It’s fairly easy to compare team rosters with ODP rosters to determine the sources of ODP players. Looking at the top five PAE U13G teams as ranked by GS, their ODP participation numbers are as follows: HMMS Eagle FC (1), FC Bucks Pre-ECNL (2), LVU (5), PF Pre-ECNL (7), Rage Athletica (0). Because ODP is birth year, not school year as are the current teams, these numbers account for both U13 (2003s) and U14 (2002s) ODP rosters. The PAE ODP rosters also provide each player’s position. These participation numbers far more likely reflect individual or team interest level than talent level.
Is there a sense that parents like "12:51" are just curious or are those parents stalking? LOL. I'm sure your daughters are more interested in snap chatting with friends than going to websites to look up names and comparing them to team rosters on other websites. Sorry but you know your a little obsessed if your doing those kind of things. Anyway how were the Futsal Regionals if anyone can chime in on that?
Only two good teams at the Regionals. Combo of good players on one and Rush the other. Not too many good players playing down there. Waste of time and knees and hips on these girls. My daughter played down there because futsal is a social thing. Great invention for training. Even better for coaches to make some extra dough in the winter. I have a friend that's an ortho surgeon and his daughter plays D2 soccer. He says its one of the worst things for growing young girls to play. Playing on those hard surfaces when they should be recovering from the outdoor season and preparing for the next outdoor season is a real problem. Girls are built different. It should be more about strength and flexibility during the off season. The footskill aspect does help a lot. But you should do it in a practice environment. No need for these tournaments. A lot of tiny girls that can excel in tight spaces. Love when they go outside and try those moves. Crunch!Just my thoughts on it. Not gospel.
"1:40" Thx for the insight at least we having a good conversation topic today.
It's shocking how many parents are keeping tabs on OPC (other people's children), spreading nasty rumors about them to coaches, putting them down under the guise of sympathy, or even outright harassing them at games etc. Really, if you even think you need to do that for your child to get ahead, then she's not doing that well in the first place.
What are you referring to? Is this regarding tryouts coming up?
140 Your friend that's an Ortho Surgeon can you please ask him if the same applies to basketball players playing year round on hard surfaces and actually have more liability as they jump on the hard surfaces. I call you Ortho comment of bunch of bull. Just because you dislike futsal no need to make false comments like that. I understand recovery but only if you have injuries and need rest you bypass futsal for the winter. Not mock it that it's the worst thing for young girls. Yeah I agree with 226 to many people on here like to keep tabs on OPC (other people's children), a little creepy in my opinion.
I can tell you that if ECNL actually kept track of practices - to game ratio and what was occurring in those practices that are actually happening, there would be at least a few clubs that should be removed from ECNL. Some clubs do not even come close to a 3 to 1 training to game ratio. I agree with Anson Dorrance that ECNL has the right approach and overall the league has done a nice job, however, I think that there should be more stringent audits of clubs which should include customer feedback on # of practices and the quality of training that occurs. And clubs should be removed if they don't meet the standards that ECNL espouses. They have created a monopoly where bad behavior continues as a few clubs use the ECNL card to keep people from raising valid concerns.
2:45 You are a knucklehead ! Totally different movements. Play a sport !
Silliness, 60 minutes a week on a basketball court is bad? Damn, what does 10 hours do to you. Poor kids must be permanently disabled.
652 your a moron it's the same movements lateral and change of direction. Both played in the same type of flooring so how can say it's different on the knees and legs. Sorry but that was the stupidest post I've seen in a while.
not only the same movement, it's basically the same game with a few obvious differences.
Here's a great article about Futsal and how some pro players, former Duke alums, are using it to improve:http://www.wralsportsfan.com/durhamites-take-a-flyer-on-grassroots-futsal/15352450/"Both Pathman and Anasi are defenders on their current pro clubs, and Anasi says futsal is particularly helpful in their positional prep work.“It’s not like full-field practice, where you can skate by,” Anasi adds. “We both play defensively, so [futsal] forces you to learn how to get out of pressure, which is something you don’t have to do a lot in soccer, but it’s an important ability to have … in your development as a defender.”
The parents who have kids that do well in futsal like futsal. The parents who have kids that do not do well in futsal find reasons not to like futsal. To each his own. Certain kids are exposed in futsal. The best kids can play the game anywhere including on a futsal court. Based on the results that were finally posted it looks like there was really only 1 good team. I'm sure those parents like futsal for their kids. Just like the parents of kids who didn't advance out of their bracket will find ways that futsal does not benefit their kids.
I agree with 5:21.Futsal is not for dump and chase teams.You don't have to be remarkably fast, which is why better futsal players might not fare well on the pitch outside. The outdoors game is also more physical.All things being equal, futsal is great for indoor technical development during the winter for cold weather teams. However, most teams just want to play in games and never really figure it out, so they eventually lose interest in later years. Would be nice to have at least 1 futsal training session per week, but most coaches are not prepared/qualified to teach it.
Are any of the old NJX gang still on this blog? According to the u14 blog, looks like the MF dream merger didn't work out to well. What will you guys do next year?
Same has they have been, not much... They have always been strong town team that would be in the lower ranks of edp. MF just pulled them up because they had no other takers.
The top portion of NJX Players will continue to move on with Matchfit while others after tryouts will have the option to go back to NJX town(EDP) or play with the Matchfit's NPL team. Yes the partnership is over but Matchfit will move on as always since they have a ECNL/NPL structure in place. For many parents the next few years it will be the time most town teams break apart especially with the Birth Year change occurring.
I would bail from MF now, their team is average at best and won't get any better with the DA lurking around the corner. Are any of the MF girls attending the U.S. Training centers? PDA is loaded with girls from this age bracket, i think they have the key for now. They probably won't send anymore that way knowing they will be taken by the DA next year if any good. No reason to try out for PDA either, if you are that good, wait to see what happens with the DA. To many changes happening, we can thank the federation.
Bash Matchfit all you want but feel free to look at the ECNL website as their older ECNL teams as they are right up there or tops over PDA and other ECNL teams. U14,U16,U17,U18So they must be doing something right at the older ages, you cannot compare U12/13 years right now because 2 years from now or even next year with the BYC it may be a different story.
@1205Note the U 13 team faired better before they became MF when they had the female coach. The MF change seemed to serve them poorly. The older teams that have performed well appear to be from outside the club as well.
The level of play for the U13 MFA Pre-ECNL is way above what the NJX U12 team faced. That team has some really talented kids and they are doing ok. The move north, with the age change I would guess is going to change that roster.
The idiot know it all quotient is at an all time high with this DA and age changes. Oh, one day you dopes will wake up and realize its just fricking soccer, and nothing more. I truly think you'd do your kids the great service possible by spending as much time worry about their school grades and course curriculum as you do soccer mania.And I have a kid who very likely is on an ECNL team but man, it just isnt worth all this headache you create.
Rumor has it the Girls DA will officially be announced next week. This area teams will be PDA and Cedar Stars. I heard WC might not get in
I guess if PDA becomes a DA then it will open up a space for a NJ Club to join ECNL?
1:03 that's the dumbest thing ever posted. Putting Cedar Stars and PDA in the same sentence is a riot. I guess it was a good advertising ploy because I fell for it and mentioned them. Cedar Stars barely has a girls program.
1020 it's all about DA funding, PDA and Cedar Stars has the cash flow to support a girls DA.
Not dumb, but I'd guess is that is pure rumor. I highly doubt they name the clubs when the announcement is made. Clubs with a full boys DA have the relationship and probably have a heads up. Many clubs will have no interest in becoming a DA.
NJ State Cup Brackets are out, How come no PDA Galaxy or MatchFit?http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=462021&tclass=Girls%20U13%20Super%20Group
Because MF is breaking up and they stink. PDA thinks they are above this, although it is a joke and Jeff cup, PDA tournament and league should be enough for spring, especially when all these teams at done this spring. Rage does every thing they can get their hands on, blows me away how much they play and again, they are done in four months too.
http://nplnortheastgirls.demosphere.com/teams/78887602/78901612-78887667/TEAM.htmlMF league results, not doing so bad and we have a lot of 2003 girls, so next year will be different. And yes, NJX and MF hasn't been a great ride, hopefully the BYC helps with a new transition.
http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/teams/78817208/62596668-78817268/TEAM.html12:33 Thank you and MatchFit U14 ECNL with many 02's on it are #1 in their ECNL division. So 11:34 please explain your rumor they are breaking up or are you just an un-happy MF parent where your daughter is on the bottom of the team.
I think this is a u13 blog and probably referring to u13 team, who is pretty weak. but thank you matchfit for sharing you u14 results.
@11:34 - 100% not a PDA parent here. You say PDA doesn't do state cup because they are above it. The ratio of training sessions to games is very much a part of PDA's and other "true" developmental clubs training mentality. Pre-ECNL clubs play pretty much every weekend, both Saturdays and Sundays. if the club deems this enough as well as a few tournaments on non-game playing weekends, why do you care? State Cup is completely irrelavent to development and if you understand the long term goals of these clubs you would get why they don't play in it. PDA Galaxy has won it before. At this age training more and playing less games is the right answer.good reading on games vs traininghttp://soccerthought.com/training-v-games-the-key-to-making-professional-and-collegiate-soccer-players/http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/assets/1/1/08_workshop_Academy_Programs.pdf
http://nplnortheastgirls.demosphere.com/teams/78887602/78901612-78887667/TEAMI have heard that this team is very unhappy, but just from one parent who has been there for years.
Here it is.http://goalnation.com/16338-2/#sthash.sEelVeCa.dpuf
Penn Fusion Birth Year ID Event2003 birth yearFeb 7 and Feb 28RSVP
Thanks PF. Very timely.Here's some news :http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/u-s-soccer-officially-announces-girls-development-academy/
Seems like someone at PF is a little worried about possibly not getting DA
2/22 @1239Not previous posterbut NJX, Parsippany are breaking from MF, probable what the poster meantinteresting because many of the MF teams are from those two clubsAll training is going to denville, it will be interesting to see who from NJX stays, that is a long ride, especially if pda is around the corner
We are all entitled to our own opinion on the DA program for girls. it is my opinion that it is very sad. think about the number of girls that will actually make a WNT made up of age ranges typically 20 - 35 years old, it is so small. In all of NJ/NY/PA maybe one or two girls of that entire age range. and let me say that regardless if your daughter plays in the DA or not, if she is that good, WNT good, she will be identified and found. No more HS Soccer for these girls, no more ODP (what does that tell you about ODP???) and no more childhood all for less then .01% of actually going somewhere with this. So what is really the need for a girls DA program?
Then do not go, 3:07, and return to PF.
I agree! Sounds like a candle maker saddened by electricity! People should be happy the girls have the same opportunity as the boys. To which, btw, boys still play highschool soccer. Our local high school soccer teams have huge turnouts for tryouts - many get cut. Highschool soccer is still alive and kicking!
These satellite affiliations with local clubs inevitably fail. They soon realize that the big clubs are only interested in their money and maybe a player or two. The opportunities promised are rarely delivered, frustration mounts, and the affiliation is severed and the big club continues looking for new places to exploit.
The DA will help the U12 age group and below. It will harm all the older girls. Most girls have already been identified at the U13 and above. Parents will flock to the DAs in hopes that their little girl will be the next Carly. When they should be focused on college scholarships and High School soccer. Its a shame. ECNL has done a great job.
DA is going to 3 age groups, u14/15 combo for this group of kids/parents. First, clubs will have significant open tryouts, and I would imagine every spot is open for grabs. the best from all other clubs will show up looking to take spots from existing kids on pre-ecnl or to be DA teams. more over, due to the age brackets, unless an 03 is particularly strong, i would imagine a majority of the spots will be allocated to strongest 02s, so many really good exsting pre-ecnl 03s who would make a 02/03 group might be left out in the cold. For all its desiring to create age brackets, what they have also done is created combined u14/u15 in essense requiring that 03s play up. and yet, none DA clubs and teams are then pressured to restructure themselves. WTF is that about. THis whole da thing is just screwy.
What are some good soccer camps in the area around PA/NJ/DE?
Correct me if I'm wrong but won't the 02's be in the u16/17 bracket since they will be u15 this fall making them u16 next fall when DA is suppose to start?
DA has just ruined the girls program throughout. ECNL, NPL, Gotsoccer rankings are all thrown out the door, it's been fun looking at rankings and watching competitive teams play in many ECNL/NPL leagues these past several years. Girls getting identified through NTC, ID2, PDP, ODP etc. Now DA comes in takes best girls, moves middle to bottom roster out like a revolving door and ruins girls hopes and dreams at u12-u14. Way to go US federation the system isn't broke why tinker with it.
OMG! it's the end of the world! How dare they ruin soccer for my darling daughter! When one door closes another opens. All will be fine. Our daughters will survive this. This won't define them nor will it be a defining moment in their life.
If you read the release the reasons for the combined age groups are explained and make a lot of sense. What si the huge fuss about. This DA will service a few very top players. Top talent with money to join. Not that different from how it is now but just a better product for those very elite well off players that want it.
If you're relying on GotSoccer points to determine the quality of a team, well, that just speaks for itself.The DA will help separate the quality clubs from the posers. Instead of relying on the best athletes, clubs will now have to actually train all the players and give them every opportunity to develop and contribute. If there was less emphasis on winning, there would be less of a need for a DA. ECNL just became a money grab. Some of those NPL coaches do not have the qualifications, which is one of the main reasons the DA is coming. There is talent on those teams that is largely ignored or underdeveloped.The threat of the DA will force clubs into upgrading their coaching staffs and providing quality training for ALL teams involved. This means no more catering to parents (Susie has to play this specific position!) and should result in more competitive play.Relax.
DA will eliminate most of the current and past politics that have gone on in girls youth soccer. After seeing it the past few years on the boys side I can tell you this they will find there players they want and it's not by coach recommendation, what league you play in, or how much money you spend on extra training they will find and narrow down the most dedicated and special players. Unfortunately my elder son was only it a few years but at least I know he wasn't moved out because of politics just better players came along but the experience he had was great.
And that's just it @ 9:37. Well said. The DA will not ruin you or your daughters life. It is designed to identify the absolute top. If your kid falls into this group great. If not, great. Some of the happiest teams I've seen are the "B" teams. We parents all need a good dose of reality and stop pushing our kids if they just don't belong. Love where they are at! Im not saying you shouldn't set goals but let's be realistic. If your child is thriving in her environment and is a happy well adjusted kid then you've done your job as a parent. Does the level really matter? We have several children, one or two at the highest level and one or two "just average". Does that mean we love the latter any less?
9.37I don't agree with your view of the DA at all. The process is very political. Coaches push their favorites forward, if they can get their club mentioned as the developmental club it translates to money and business for their club. You seem to see the DA through rose colored glasses. Its far from perfect. I do agree that a child might be happier on the B team. You don't have to deal with parents who might see your child as a threat and are chirping in the coaches ear.
608: 937 is spot on DA process is less political than the so called current identification processes. The G-DA will use many various avenues to identify potential players from both U.S. Youth and U.S. Club programs. Agree it's far from perfect but it will be the umbrella over both programs not like it's been the past several years as U.S. Club has dominated the who is who process. Now local non-ECNL team making regionals through U.S. Youth have the opportunity to have potential players reviewed as well. The scary part is that the DA G-DA may be starting to early at U13/14.
I agree that DA and G-DA starts at too young an age, unless USSF changes the format to account for the fact that younger players may not be willing to drop everything else in their lives and focus on soccer.
DA on the boys side just added u12 teams. That's too young. when DA started, the teams were u15/16 and u17/18. Younger players should stay at their local clubs where they are comfortable. Pushing young players too hard will lead to burnout.
410 agree completely the burn out rate will hurt the girls side of soccer. If you look at collegiate players or WNT they played HS and other sports throughout there childhood and teen years. It's going to be interesting to see how many truly flock to a girls DA especially if it's not free.
It is not free. The announcement alluded to what sounded like some minor cost relief. This will serve the talent with plenty of money as did the ECNL and other very expensive high level programs. There is no pay off on the girl's side to free. The talent must pay to develop themselves in high level programs or find other options.
Question for any current U13 PF parents. Is TM present for all or most all practices and games?
There was a whisper that FC Bucks was going to lose their ECNL tag. I guess with the DA decisions looming that wont happen. Thinking about having mine try out there. Does anyone have any info they could share ? I heard there may be some spots open as they weren't real good in the fall.
One FC Bucks player already went to CFC. A U14 Hulmeville player supposedly replaced her.With the Ukies in such disarray at U13 and U14, Bucks might be your best option. Is LVU an option?
Heard all of Humeville is goin to Bucks.
FC Copa & Cedar Stars getting the DA teams for girls. PDA staying in ECNL
really, and how do you know this
5:29. 1. Where do you get your info. 2. Why do you think there wouldn't be a DA in the north. If PDA conjecture has any validity i would think population would justify 4/5 DAs just like boys side. Why wouldn't Red Bulls be an obvious choice as well. They have already scouted many girls in the nj ny area.
Red bulls are less focused on girls. They aren't even holding a girls summer camp anymore. So I don't think they will get it. What about TSF who now has the boys 12 yo. Def not MFA. And where does it say that they can't have ecnl and da?
Red bulls has no interest in girls DA--per their DOC this week. They don't even have girls camps anymore. Red bulls is 100% not getting a girls DA anytime soon.
Cedar Stars...its'called, they have the $$ and connections, facilities...the coaches n players will come!PDA isnt going to DA. They are the main club behind the whole ecnl program...
I agree. Cedar stars has the money. And the boys daBut why wouldn't pda do both? And why Copa?
cedar stars does not have a strong girls program today... However they do have Tab Ramos and we all know how he is linked to US Soccer
TSF not interested in girls DA, only in boys side.
TSF's #1 goal is profit so if they see money in a girl's DA, they'll try to get it.
I'm sure TSF will apply for DA but they wont get it. Lack of resources and $$
TSF? Chris rock was funnier.
it would be interesting if ECNL clubs aren't interested in attaining the girls DA program. Sort of a protest against the decision. if PDA, and the other ECNL clubs stay away from the DA program, it will potentially demise the efforts of the DA program. The best girls may very well stay in ECNL and avoid DA
I don't get PL team they lose a few players and are still one of the top teams in PA which still get Top Brackets at major Tournaments. Why look at other clubs and disband as in one year DA Girls will only make things change once again. PL Parent can you chime in?
1026 Not gonna happen because DA will draw the national pool players and that's where every parent's little Suzie will follow. Sorry it's not gonna be like the Oscars and boycott and protest will occur for ECNL, The best will flock to Girls DA.
10:39 not entirely accurate. kids who want to play with their HS teams will skip girls DA as happens with boys DA.
10:37 - Wrong board. The PL discussion is on U14. You likely drifted over to U13. PL Parent will comment on U14 board. That said, PL breakup will affect current U13s who are 2002s because their U14 2002s will likely be joining some current U13 2002s somewhere in PAE.
Spring sprung this past weekend:In Region 1 Champions League:3 - WNY FLASH ACADEMY WNY FLASH GIRLS 02/031 - ARSENAL EXTREME1 - GREATER BINGHAMTON UNITED RED '025 - NORTH UNITED FC RUSH0 - EMPIRE UNITED BUFFALO BLUE0 - BEADLING 02-030 - PWSI COURAGE 02G RED2 - HMMS IMPACT EAGLE FC1 - LEE MOUNT VERNON SC LMVSC PATRIOTS RED 023 - NEW JERSEY RUSH 02 GIRLS BLUE (FKA RAGE FC RENEGADES)1 - ARSENAL 2XTREME1 - GREATER BINGHAMTON UNITED FUTBOL RED '020 - WNY FLASH ACADEMY FLASH GIRLS 02/031 - BEADLING 02-031 - ARUNDEL ASA PUMAS '022 - NEW JERSEY RUSH 02 GIRLS GREY0 - PWSI COURAGE 02G RED2 - NEW JERSEY RUSH 02 GIRLS BLUE (FKA RAGE FC RENEGADES)1 - LEE MOUNT VERNON SC LMVSC PATRIOTS RED 023 - HMMS IMPACT EAGLE FCTake away – Generally, good competition in this leagueAt the Ultimate Cup:4 - SAC PREMIER WHITE1 - BEACH FC U13G BLACK4 - PA CLASSICS ACADEMY '021 - BETHESDA SC PRODIGY 020 - BETHESDA SC PRODIGY 024 - SAC PREMIER WHITE0 - BEACH FC U13G BLACK1 - PA CLASSICS ACADEMY '020 - BETHESDA SC PRODIGY 021 - BEACH FC U13G BLACK0 - PA CLASSICS ACADEMY '020 - SAC PREMIER WHITE2 - ANNANDALE UNITED FC PRIDE1 - BEACH FC LEGACY0 - BRYC 02 ELITE3 - RICHMOND KICKERS U13 G ELITE3 - BEACH FC LEGACY2 - BRYC 02 ELITE3 - RICHMOND KICKERS U13 G ELITE3 - ANNANDALE UNITED FC PRIDE0 - BRYC 02 ELITE3 - ANNANDALE UNITED FC PRIDE2 - RICHMOND KICKERS U13 G ELITE1 - BEACH FC LEGACYFinal3 - SAC PREMIER WHITE2 - ANNANDALE UNITED FC PRIDETakeaway – SAC White, a MAPS team in the fall, bested the best of PAC, a likely DA club.APC Premier Cup:0 - FC VIRGINIA PRE ECNL 020 - MARYLAND UNITED FC PRE -ECNL 021 - HERNDON YOUTH SOCCER HURRICANES BLACK1 - SUPERNOVA FC 02/03G BLACK 1 - MARYLAND UNITED FC PRE -ECNL 020 - SUPERNOVA FC 02/03G BLACK0 - HERNDON YOUTH SOCCER HURRICANES BLACK4 - VIRGINIA PRE ECNL 023 - MARYLAND UNITED FC PRE -ECNL 021 - HERNDON YOUTH SOCCER HURRICANES BLACK1 - SUPERNOVA FC 02/03G BLACK2 - FC VIRGINIA PRE ECNL 02Final3 - FC VIRGINIA PRE ECNL 021 - MARYLAND UNITED FC PRE ECNL 02Takeaway – Supernova, a small Central PA club, can compete with the big girls. They are a team to watch in EDP 1st Division this spring.
Supernova is legit. Saw them at PA Classics tournament and they can move the ball around. From the Hershey area, right?
Supernova is based in Hershey, but collects talent from throughout the greater Harrisburg area.
What is fascinating is that the HMMS U13 team is also a powerhouse. Consolidate that talent and there would compete nationally with anyone
Until they all leave and decide to go to Penn Fusion .
Or when PA Classics gets DA and they all move there.
BYC will shake things up first.
With the BYC coming do any of you think clubs will take advantage and increase tuition significantly?
8:35 (2/27)Where did you see comments from Red Buls regarding girls DA. Can you give us a link or more detail?Thanks
Penn Fusion offered 5 of the 8 2002 PL players spots already. I thought the birth year ID events were not tryouts and feedback was not going to be given. Guess I'll take my kid elsewhere. That's shit.
You shouldn't be surprised . Why would you expect anything less from Penn Fusion ? They are about business not the player .
Actually.. Only 2 spots were given to girls training the whole winter with them. They are 03
ok once again why girls DA is going to happen to prevent player poaching like this. Stuff like this will not happen as the best will be evaluated over time then decisions will be made to be placed on DA team. Sorry but 5 players from the same team would of never made a DA team together.
At least they didn't take all 8 lol
9:25... S/he is talking about offers made for next year 2002 (u15 team) you are talking about 2003 team.
9:25 amWonder who. They are evaluating them small sided. Some don’t make the transition to large. Skilled, but small. Skills do no good when bigger girls knock them down. They don’t seem to have a very logical systematic way of selecting. This is what leads to all the girl drama. The girls are insecure about their spots, because they are frequently moving their mistakes down, once the season starts. Then, you don’t move them down and wait to add new, but the new leave, tired of waiting.
Penn Fusion has a specific club wide style of play which is why they do so well placing kids into the national programs. This style requires very skillful high soccer IQ players in the midfield and usually at least one wide forward. These players pull the strings. Maybe they say a potential #10 or #8 or #7 in these smaller skillful girls. Watch some of their older teams they frequently have national players in these positions. Bodes well for these girls' future that Penn Fusion sees potential in them. Congrats
10:03 well since your kid has been, let's call it "physically advance" since she was 9 and the "skilled but small" kids are still hoping mother nature will step in soon, maybe Penn Fusion sees a higher ceiling for them than your bruiser.
PDA has no trouble selecting for one and developing the other and they are ahead for it. It also leads to a lot more stability in the roster (the better predictive abilities followed up with better development) and therefore less girl drama. You can't load the software unless you have the hardware. It's commendable to do the best with what you have but it has limits.BTW, mother nature doesn't step in and change basic physical attributes. The parents physical characteristics plus the child's at an early age have high predictive accuracy.
So, does PDA size up the parents as part of the player selection process? Sorry Mia, you didn't make the team because your dad is too short and your mom is too fat, therefore we predict that you will fail.
Sorry but many of the PF national players were developed outside the club during there youth ages. Congrats on the new PF players already selected to join them next year, good luck! At least many know not to show up for tryouts now.
@ 2:26.Yes. Many programs evaluate siblings, parents, etc. when they are being picked up, dropped off, etc.Physical and obvious genetic attributes most likely would not be the main / sole reason to not select a player however if there is a question or a similar player and you must choose, these factors definitely do come into play. If you are a project player, it is definitely a consideration.It is reality at high level athletics. If your mum and dad played collegiate sports and are still active and eat well and you are not adopted, you won the genetic lottery in more cases than not. To deny this is simply ignorant.
2 of them on the most recent YNT rosters have been there since u11 and the starting u17 qualifying kid, CHM, has been with the club since u6 rec. 2 I think since u13 and another since u14. Another PF/WCISC kid since u6 was on early rosters but hasn't gotten a sniff for a while. Sounds pretty good to me and oh yeah, why do you think potential national players show up at Penn Fusion? Because they offer the best development and exposure of course...Congrats to those offered spots. I am sure the tryout will be fair. They may be offering kids spots before tryouts, but if a top player shows up and dominates she will get a spot. Of course there may be 22 or more on the roster which is another issue. Don't think they will fill all 30 potential spots ahead of time.
I am going to start a stud service for parent stand-ins.
@4:40.This already exists for both sperm and egg donors. Not a joke.
4:40 I'll start a secondary business on top of yours it's Soccer Uber Service so parents that have stand-ins they wont need to drive hours on end weekly.
5:02 - I had to vet your idea. Sad to say, the service already exists. See: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/uber-vs--soccer-moms-150442334.htmlOf course, this is in the DC area.
3:50 what is a project player?
Time will tell. When PA Classics gets an academy, it will drain the talent pipeline from the west.Overall, the teams are usually in the middle of their ECNL bracket. PDA has more going to the women’s national team and professionals. More importantly better colleges, higher placing teams. That can’t be bought with donations, nor gotten by playing in one narrow way that matches that of the GNTs, nor by being the lone program within 2 hours for many. It’s not a question of fairness. It’s more like do they have common sense? Valid proven criteria? Consistency? Are their methods producing overall results? Is it what they do or who they get?
You don’t have to bring your family tree to try-outs. Just that the growth spurt argument doesn’t hold for those who feel they need to make it. Look around the dinner table at Thanksgiving before you believe you'll grow 5 inches next year. Get out your old growth charts. If you were 50th all along, you won't be 90th next year.
"Talent selection is the culling of players with the current ability to participate and be successful in events taking place in the near future. Talent identification, on the other hand, is the prediction of future performance based upon an evaluation of current physical, technical, tactical and psychological qualities. Talent selection is pretty simple; talent identification is an art. One yields great results today; the other builds elite athletes and winning teams for the future."Project Players are players that are being selected by a team that, at the time of selection, do not possess the "current ability to participate and be successful in events taking place in the near future." The project player: "is the prediction of future performance based upon an evaluation of current physical, technical, tactical and psychological qualities."Though the article this information is pulled from does not specifically reference "project player(s)", the talent identification process vs talent selection is usually happening simultaneously at tryouts for high performing teams. Some players are selected to enhance the team today and some are selected for the future.Reference: http://changingthegameproject.com/our-biggest-mistake-talent-selection-instead-of-talent-identification/
PF has national players because they are recruited right from the National Training Centers. Where they were most likely developed by other teams. But, if PF is the cat's meow, then by all means, meow away.
8:19 Great comment, thanks for the clarification.If your child is just now specializing in soccer you want a club that accepts project players. If she has done nothing but soccer since day 1, she might want a talent selection.Which clubs/teams/coaches are more project vs. selection? I assume all do at least some of both.
thanks for the info 8:19. I have felt my daughter is seen as this (long term investment for club) for awhile so it's good to know it actually exists. I hope they're right .
Penn Fusion has taken on plenty of project players at the u13 and 14 age group. One of them is paying off now after being cut by Penn Strikers. For those of you who don't have older girls, Strikers is a fully funded team known for its talent selection rather than identification, resulting in a revolving door policy. If you have a kid who isn't successful now: late growth or poor training but shows great promise: is hugely technical or tremendously athletic, for example, Penn Fusion is a great choice. Common project players: little pre puberty highly technical player, yes-with normal sized parents and average growth potential and the polar opposite: the super fast and strong kid with poor technique due to staying at a town dad coach for too long, but with a great attitude and desire to improve. Penn Fusion would snatch both up at 03 tryouts.
I guess this is officially the U14(03)blog. My daughter is 03 U12(Central Jersey located) probably will move this for next fall many of her teammates have already done sessions with other clubs we are following also this month. Any suggestions on clubs centrally or lower north jersey located. PDA North is the most obvious choice but I'm assuming those rosters will be full(players chosen) and tryout numbers will be over 100+. Any club suggestions would be nice.
So, comparing Penn Fusion to PA Strikers is dead on. Both are run like businesses.Your daughter is just another number until the next one comes along. Loyalty and chemistry not required.Good luck.
1:14 pmWhat is this based on? Making Strikers certainly doesn’t qualify anyone as a project player. It’s completely paid for travel and all and much more selective than most any ECNL. And PF has any many stories of revolving door complete with tears, teen angst, backstabbing, depression etc. no less. Several have quit soccer because of it. The few stars come from elsewhere or donate beaucoup bucks. The average player and team is respectable, but not great.Sounds more like the colleges that send out lots of promotional materials to those they'll never consider so they have more applicants to reject and appear more exclusive.
2:06 It's based on wishful thinking. Honestly, the only exercise some of these posters get is pushing their luck and/or jumping to conclusions.
The opposite is true if you read the post. The player was cut from strikers because could not compete at the highest level at that time (u13)- talent selection. Was taken on by Penn Fusion as a project- not contributing immediately but seen as high ceiling- talent identification. Now is contributing- project paid off. Someone asked what clubs are good for project players. I know that story so assistance provided.
People wish to be scammed?Getting cut from a more competitive team proves she was a project player? Why not simply a less skilled developed talent player? That's the obvious answer.
The only concern being that to accept her, somebody has to get dropped. If that somebody has been at the club for years, well, you can imagine they will not be happy. It's a business. You are just a number. A majority of the players at this age are just there to help develop the top 1 or 2 kids. Maybe they wind up playing college ball. Regardless, you're going to see a huge turnover in another year or two when they start recruiting athletes. Slower technical kids just get phased out.c'est la vie
What do you expect at an ECNL club? Everyone there is paying really big bucks to be in that pretty ruthless environment. IF I was paying that, I better get a club just going with the best players, end of story. If you want loyalty, ECNL is not your league.
Please most clubs ECNL/NPL/EDP/Region1 etc. are always looking to make there current team better. If a player shows up at tryouts, training sessions or whatever and is better than the bottom 50% they will be added to roster the following year and someone always get's moved out or volunteers to leave to join a completing club. 225 You are correct it's a business for every club to compete. Look at all the start up clubs that have fallen the past years not because of talent acquisition but because of player draw in #'s. Any clubs with less than 10 teams and does not grow usually fold within 3-5 years.
Are you guys for real? This is u13 and getting cut is not the end of the world.1. Learning lesson2. maybe the wrong system for the player3. maybe the wrong coach for the player4. maybe not ready yetThere is nothing negative here - you learn when things go bad -not when things are going great. yes,new players come in some stick and some don't. Don't make this learning experience a negative for your kid. If they stick with the sport they will be better or maybe they find out this is not for them. 2:25 I agree but would you still say the same thing if it was your kid not playing but you were paying? Don't say it wouldn't happen to my kid, think about it straight up no BS easy to say when it's not your kid not so easy if you have to watch and keep positive at the same time, it is your 13 year old princess at the end of the day. But I do agree if you want a competitive club it comes with the territory so you need to suck it up and not be a cancer.
@ 1:42 pm Try Decaf.The wish/scam part was for 2:25 pm yesterday, although you are trying to earn it.And I deeply apologize on behalf of all parents for looking into things before driving across creation all year and spending 5 figures and hundreds of hours on a youth sports team and for failing to swallow hook, line, and, sinker everything put out by said team unquestioned. Laughably, the responses reveal much more than and the opposite of what was intended. Like what trouble you have getting players in the years that compete with Strikers. Diatribes against anyone that raises concerns indicates you are closely associated. All that “high ceiling” non-sense, so scientific. It really suggests the methods there are rather random.
Just a thought on the "it's a business" (so therefore they are brutal on kids) comments .Aren't all the soccer clubs supposed to be non-profits with the mission of promoting happiness unicorns and rainbows for kids?
Pre Ecnl season to start again with a bang this weekend. today is FC Bucks playingFC Boston Breakers. Tomorrow is Penn Fusion SA playing FC Boston Breakers! Looks like the PF game will be unpredictable against FCBB Because they have several of their players with my daughter at ODP this weekend. 2 center backs and forward that are on their starting line up,!and I'm not sure about the rest . But surely unpredictable for first game, without their roster.
10:30 sums up the PF experience.Already looking to make excuses.Why so worried about wins? Isn't it about development and letting other kids play different positions? Why such pressure to win and then have to make excuses?You should be happy that they were able to reschedule your Saturday game against FC Stars.
FCBB put a beating on FC Bucks. Not sure what the final was. FC Bucks wont win a game. PF should beat FCBB.
Ah yes, looking back you nicely confirm the reasons behind the penn fusion hate when all I have said all along is that they have a history in investing in projects that they believe in. Simplify it for you who seems to have trouble following the logic... Strikers is indeed a highly competitive team and is the prime example of win now with revolving door policy. When you are a fully funded program you can make demands and cut kids mid season and anything else and keep competitive. A couple of years ago they cut a tiny kid who looked 2 years younger than the rest but possessed sick skills. Penn fusion said we will take you and help you along because we think you will be a real impact player in 2 years when you catch up in your growth. Said kid has now caught up in physical development and is successful for them. That is the definition of taking on a project which, in this specific case, has paid off. Keep attacking that post and me personally so maybe someone will believe you. Understand that you are the one who looks like the nut in need of psychiatric intervention. Except you are probably incapable of that since you are blinded by your anger and jealousy.
The projects are the tall, athletic players that they bring in with little experience.Those are the players that wind up dominating ECNL rosters at U15 and above.Showcase environment. Zero loyalty, but a high percentage of playing college ball.
Re 10:30 3 starters missing league opener for odp? Wonder how that went down.
C’mon @8:06. Don’t let reality intrude here. ; )Every scrawny kid that devoted her life to foot skills since age two, but ended up too small to do anything with them needs the growth spurt dream. So does every club that wants to cash in with teams 10 levels deep. You’re just a jealous hater because you got cut from try-outs that haven’t happened yet! : )
Yes projects tend to be of 2 varieties. Both are potential "late bloomers". One is the physically immature kid and the other is the athletic- read tall and fast, but has had inferior training. Some pay off. The little kid with sick skills grows-penn fusion example. The athletic kid wants it badly and puts in the extra hours of technical training and watches a ton of games on tv for tactical development another win. Not all little kids grow and not all athletic kids put in the time, but until they declare themselves some clubs are willing to make an investment for the future at U13 and some are not.
So how did PF do today?
8:00 they played great! i think it was because there were 10 parents there to tell them what to do when they had the ball. Not to be outdone by the Boston dad who went up and down the field telling his daughter how to play the game.
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PDA does a great job of grooming the big and athletic types. Their results and the size of their teams show it.They don’t take tiny hoping they’ll grow. The number one reason for advanced skill development at a young age is because only those who are marginally athletic need to specialize early to be competitive. The marginal coaches need theses ready-to-play players, in turn, to be competitive (as they can). If they take them, they didn’t get any better. If the latter really happened, why wouldn’t clubs take the small and unskilled and have them grow and develop at the same time?
HMMS beat rage 5 2?
Did PF lose there best player to MFA?
Why would anyone go to matchfit ? And I assume their best player must be from NJ?
I went to watch the Penn Fusion FC Boston game. Great game. Score was 2-1 Penn Fusion scored first two and then last second penalty for Boston. Yes, 3 starters were missing for ODP.. and let me tell you Penn Fusion did more than hold their own. Completely dominated the game. The 3 starters missing were their two center backs and a forward , so players had to make adjustments. One of penn fusions best players that is normally midfielder, I believe #16, played center back and looked like a natural. Her speed was unbelievable and she was catching up to the Boston girls from 10 feet behind. Other good girl #8 is the barons move, who did good as well. They had their striker playing center back with 16 and she did good as well. Boston seemed well prepared for that game and didn't look a bit tired from the day before. Usual good players 23,14,7,11 were doing good as expected, but the PF girls were not letting them shine. Great game and would love to watch another game from either teams.
Yawnnnnnnn......... Why do we keep talking about these mediocre teams ?
Anyone else think 10:09 is #16's dad? Lol
1009 Thx for the info PF parent, Nice of you to up talk your team or kids.
PF parent acting a bit desperate .
"I went to watch the Penn Fusion FC Boston game"Gee, you sure do seem to know a lot for a guy who just went to watch the game. How does one attain so much information from just watching a game and not knowing the participants?
I know! Gotta be a parent or coach. But why would a coach only point out two players?
MFA is a disaster!!
It's a mother of player. Try and guess which one? We have seen this number mentioned many times in the past and she moved from a PDA team over there, had to have been crew or Galaxy, u13 teams.
MF is not in good shape, players and coaches have left, so there is room on the 03 side. 02 side different, not enough coaches so not enough teams for them so they will be looking for a home.
Did the U13 PreEcnl Connecticut team pull out of the NPL Northeast for the spring?
Yes they pulled out. They figured out it was the B-league of the prestigious private clubhouse teams of the ECNL. What a joke that NPL NorthEast, feel sorry for the top 3 teams as they travel and don't see competition. Nice to see someone once again is putting player #'s on this blog again, Admin I though there restrictions on this?
"What a joke that NPL NorthEast, feel sorry for the top 3 teams as they travel and don't see competition."Come on, really? Once Connecticut is out, I don't think the variation from top-to-bottom is that extreme. What would you like to see? One team per state, so the level is very high, but 12-13 year olds need to travel 2-yrs to practice?
Admin has not woken up!yes it is interesting that conn pulled its team out. The NE NPL does not have the competition of EDP and others
949 Sorry but the RCL and EDP leagues are much stronger than the NE NPL. PDA(B Team and South teams) would be better off playing in those leagues v traveling and winning games by large margins. Isn't the ECNL clubs which run the NE NPL origins was to train more and play less games but only meaningful games? Well doesn't look like that's happening for the few top teams in NE NPL. Here's a big interesting question brought up. If the best players from U13 PDA's(South, Shore, and North B teams) were moved together would they be able to challenge the U13 Pre-ECNL team? It was a valid point and discussion that was mentioned with the DA coming as some girls may opt for it and some may stay ECNL.
If this league is so weak, why doesn't the top teams in nj win the tournaments when playing against these teams? The top six teams are very strong, but do agree they have some weaker teams at the bottom, common in most leagues. Rage, Maximus, sdfc and pipeline can't win the big tournaments. What league is stronger and tell me why please?
10:28 Currently the Spring's RCL league is stronger in my opinion. Games are tighter from Top to Bottom. After the two weekends of games I don't see the 5 or 6-0 blowouts you see in your precious NENPL league.
Didn't rage just get beat 5 to 2? Again, if it's so strong, why didn't they win PDA and Stars? the top two teams in the state didn't make the finals of either?
Connecticut is very weak, MF and WC are too. The rest are very good. If these teams were playing in your league, you would see similar results. I get it, sdfc and rage are the top teams in the state and always will be, but this league is comparable at the top.
And when has the top NENPL teams win a tourney as well. At least the RCL/EDP teams are getting recognized and being placed in top brackets take a look at the Jeff Cup for example.
anyone ekse have headache from these know-it-all mouths going on and on and one about this crap, this league this team, sdfc, rage?? Put down the keyboard and go help Carli with her homework. Grades are far more important. Rage, SDFC, they probably just had some off days which will happen when you play against quality teams. I think i saw Man City lose 5-1 and Leichester is leading the EPL. Real Madrid is in dangerous of not being second to Barca. I think adding Suarez has helped Messi and Neymar. Losing or adding someone special can really help or hurt.
1054 - I believe PDA won their own tournamnet as well as Stars last year. These are both very high end tournaments. I think Stars of mass and PF are really the top teams in the NE, although PDA has beaten them. Rage and sdfc played in both and didn't make it to the finals in either. Sdfc was put in third bracket at Jeff cup this year because they were beat pretty bad last year. Not sure it really matters as all these teams will change in three short months anyway. Then you have this thing called the DA around the corner and they will be the next target.
1219 It's a blog with discussions and debates if you have a headache feel free to take some Tylenol and leave. It's good to see and hear different opinions as many parents and players are looking for change with the BYC this coming spring/summer and Girls DA next year. I'm glad this blog is actually alive again for some time maybe a little under a month nobody was posting.
@101 - I think the discussion is about NENPL league v RCL/EDP not NE-PRE:ECNL league.
at this age, ne nil covers both teams and in bothIn both leagues pda and fc stars are leadings, penn fusion and albertson are only strong in precnl. The rest lag farther behind
119 Understood but the NE-PREECNL is good competition. NE-NPL seems like a few top teams playing mid-level B teams.
Speaking of PDA and their own tournament... are they ever going to post accepted teams? It's a month away and those not accepted probably need to make other plans. I can see smaller tournaments waiting until a week after the application deadline to post/notify accepted teams as they are probably recruiting teams to complete brackets. But the mighty PDA Spring Kickoff should of had them out March 2nd, unless they themselves are having numbers issues. I am 24 hours away from withdrawing our application or forwarding every email I get from a parent to PDA. People need to plan their lives PDA!
what team are you from? I will ask and get back to you. I can probably find out what bracket you will be in too.
411 - are you going to follow through on your promise and bail today?
As frustrating as it is...no bailing!
PDA accepted list is out.
wow, looks like rush - aka rage is playing. They could set a record on GS points if they keep up this pace. I think they play in a tournamnet every weekend up and down the east coast. I hope they enough money for their other kids activities.
1046: PDA doesn't give GS points! Don't be jealous your kid's team isn't doing enough.
ya, I'm jeliuos that we don't spend our entire life traveling to soccer events. I will enjoy spring break this year again with my entire family instead of traveling to PDA during that week. The kids actually like real vacations, not traveling around the NE to watch their sister play and dad coach.
Someone is a little bitter they didn't get accepted to the tourney!
Why do peaceful on here?
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