Great weekend in Bucks County - thanks FC Bucks for hosting. The weather, fields and competition was great. And so we're all the parents, sidelines were a pleasure when you play this type of festival.
Do you mean Penn Fusion? If so, 100% agree. Everyone was great!!
Agree thank you PF, once again this is what the clubs in the ECNL league bring together the no pressure environments at these festivals scrimmages without the tension of competing for GS points or ranking in a league bracket. Give opportunities for coaches to work on things outside of practice sessions as well.
5:57, I now of a similar situation but in this case UNC honored the commitment and as far as I know the player is heading there for the 2015 season.
First off if you have a verbal commitment to UNC and playing club ball. Why would you let your daughter play high school soccer to risk injury anyway. Please don't tell me its for social activity as she could do other afterschool activities like join the drama club or be on the class committee. If my younger daughter has this opportunity I would not let her do high school soccer.
@ June 7, 2015 at 7:55 PM Exactly, well said.It's all about a personal preference with parents and their children.Could my daughter play on a pre ECNL team? Absolutely. I brought the idea of PDA up to her and she is just so against playing for them. And you shouldn't force your child to do anything that she doesn't want to do. Just hopefully her team will remain facing the top talent in the country along with facing these ECNL teams at tournaments and all will be good.
I wonder where she gets all the hate from?
The kid I mentioned who is going to UNC didn't play HS soccer. Some HS have great traditions and great teams. Younger girls dream of playing for those teams. I live in one of those towns, and it's probably my daughters first goal to make the varsity as a freshman. You are reunited with your classmates who by U15 are dispersed over several clubs. I'm in a district that at any time has 15+ kids at MFA and PDA as well as other top clubs.
Looks as if Rutger's is already pulling in Sophomores to verbally commit from Jersey. Link below shows committed players who are sophomores. Interesting to see how many players already doing this. There are probably many that are out there that are committed not registered as well. http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/search/?query=&genderId=f&graduationYear=2017®ionId=0&countyId=31&positionId=0&firstCharName=&pageNo=0&area=clubplayer
@June 8, 2015 at 12:33 PM To be honest, I have no idea. My guess, her teammates putting the hatred in her head which probably stems from the parents of those particular girls. I hope her mind changes later on. She also may not want to have to play against her current teammates as well. They've been together for so long.
So I saw post this morning of a scrimmages at FC Bucks or Penn Fusion can any one elaborate or touch base on which teams attended and who look good and which teams didn't. A little curious?
did all you ECNL koolaid drinkers sit around sing songs and roasting marshmallows by the campfire whilst your kids played the beautiful game serenaded by angles playing harps above? sounds like the next coming of the soccer savior.Anonymous said... Agree thank you PF, once again this is what the clubs in the ECNL league bring together the no pressure environments at these festivals scrimmages without the tension of competing for GS points or ranking in a league bracket. Give opportunities for coaches to work on things outside of practice sessions as well. June 8, 2015 at 9:17 AM
I agree. I'm so happy my daughter is now on an ECNL club team. They are the only teams that play scrimmages and luckily our parents post on here that we played so everyone else knows that we played this weekend and will ask how we did.
See, parents from some of these so called pre ecnl teams are a bit crazed. How else would people know there were scrimmages arranged. Not all the parents..but a lot of them.
Wasn't as great as you think.This was a festival that was postponed from earlier in the year.With ODP friendlies in North Carolina, some U12 teams did not have their entire roster. Some pulled from U11, some pulled from U13. Wound up being a mish mash of teams that you will most likely never see again.
All this pre-ecnl hype is nothing but a hype! The scrimmages they attend don't mean anything. They are looking at the quality of the NEXT Ecnl teams. The real teams will not be formed until u14. So many who are in pre-ecnl will NOT be there at u14. Lot's of talent will take over most of the pre-ecnl roster spots. It would be interesting to see the changes at u14.
8:06 am - you are right. it happened in the older ages. they have to do that to assure they get the best talent or the ecnl wouldn't make sense. and parents can't even get upset about it, they should understand.
806 & 832 I totally agree the majority of these Pre-ECNL rosters will have huge turnover at U14 only the top teams that finish in the league will not as many changes. Also coaches do not have to wait to move a girl off the team pre-ecnl to the club's NPL team. A lot of stress on girls and parents for being 12 and 13. Best bet is to wait until U15 and if you think your daughter is still that quality of a player you will have still have that opportunity to move.
Plus you have a lot of traveling to do at Pre-ECNL for only u13, which makes no sense when there are probably a few nearby NPL teams just as strong. I personally am waiting it out I know if my daughter wants it later and she stays playing at the level she is playing she will always have that option. I'm sure rosters will alter every season its the nature of the business now.
Sorry for the U10 question. There isn't a blog for U10.Does anyone know the best league in NJ to play in at U10. Is it Jags? Play up and play EDP at U11? Another quick question, how come I don't see EDP standings for U11 and U12 in the NPL site? Is it somewhere else?
1239 Hit up the U11 blog as the leagues have change a lot since this blog going into U13. All U11/U12 standings are under EDP they are the only sanction under NPL that is ran by MSSL. They keep the scores there.
great article - the facts are the facts about ECNLhttp://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/ecnl-era-fast-approaching-for-uswnt_aid36606getting into an ECNL program early is no guarantee, but the fact is that girls will have to be better to displace an existing player. the clubs will not move a girl off the team for an equal player.this area is loaded with talent and that is why the NPL teams will be very competitive as well
That article was past here last week, keep up with your Pre-ECNL/ECNL Hype. I heard there were some bad showings from a few teams this past weekend at that festival. Again changes will be made on rosters every year for those teams.
of course roster changes will happen. they will happen everywhere not just on ECNL teams. NPL teams will do the same thing and so on down the ladder. many girls will be lost through natural attrition, smaller girls will mature and the size differentiation will not be so severe, so teams that favor size now will make adjustments. the beauty is there is a place for all levels. too many haters of ECNL and thats fine and obviously not for you. but no need to rip the league that will ultimately strengthen the USWNT and consolidate college recruiting. The best get better playing against their peers
9;23That is pretty bad advice!There are two good time to move to an ECNL team..At u11 when they expand rosters and at u14 when teams are getting ready for their first season of ECNL play. after that the coaches are looking for specific players that fit with what they need. if you are a top regional player than you will be able to walk on but short of that you have little to no chance at PDA.
People you really need to look at your lives. The festival was fun for the girls. They are 11/12 years old. Do,you think ere thinking of college. You guys are ruining youth soccer.
Any tryouts still available or are all teams set now ?
Lol, tryouts are always on. All teams leave that open spot for the super player whose crazy parents will move them after hearing how much better club A is than club B
Regular tryouts are over. But you can contact any club and they will usually let your player come to a practice.
You do not want to contact a club now for a practice session as the fall season has not yet begun. That best time would be the beginning or middle of the spring prior to tryouts. By then the coach already knows what he is looking for or to add onto his team.
You guys keep talking about u14, there will be no u14 in ecnl. Next year(2016)it all changes to 2003 and 2002. They will both be ecnl and will be very difficult to make. The 2002 year will be competing for spots against the current u13 players. PDA has three strong teams at u13(all three are top 5 in state) and assume about 40 percent of those girls are 2002. So starting next year, if your daughter is a 2002 it's going to be very difficult making the 2002 ecnl roster and it will be a big one too. MF will be much easier, they have strong u13 and weak u12 age groups, so 2003 should be easy. WCFC will be wide open too, very weak u12 and just okay u13. Your best hope is that your daughter is a 2003 and top 2 on her current team, then you have good odds things will work out if your favor.
1104 please show the proof, it has not been established to go to year yet. There has been discussions the past 2 years and still nothing has happened. If they really want to do it right just move date a month and align it up by school year. This way majority of players are in the same grade come U15/16/17 for recruiting.
11:22am Makes far more sense doing it the way you suggested. I am also yet to read anything that we are going to birth year in Fall 2016, just a lot of rumors.
1104 Probably has a '03 child and hoping it happens since the '02 kids on her daughter's team are the top of the team. Like many of you on here said its just rumors and talk. It took them 4 to 5 years to move to 8v8 v 11v11 at U11&U12, just 5 years ago the majority of leagues were at 11v11 for 10/11 year olds for U11.
Believe what you want. And my daughter is a 03 and top 2 or 3 on team, so not concerned one way or the other. I would prefer them to stay the way it is and truly hope it doesn't happen, but being told over and over its changing.
If it happens it they will pick a specific year, not just go each age group. I'm hearing the 2000's and older will be first they will all be in high school.
The 02/03 age adjustment would only help the national team funnel/fliter kids in the End - .0000001 % of kids. It would also serve to make NCAA coaches I, II, or III have to do more work. Ultimately at 15/16/17 yr old girls are pretty much developed so it won't really matter. NO need to fret either way.
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Storm has 30 rostered ECNL players for next year, They just tell a certain amount of kids you are duel rostered, you can move up and down on a weekly basis, take it or leave it.
For many, jumping into an ECNL environment like the one just laid out could be the kiss of death for your kid in this great sport. My guess is that development goes to the wayside in favor of getting results here and now. What team would take 30 and then roster 22 and expect any of those kids to get minutes?And dont sit here and say "its not for everyone". Its not for anyone! these are 11 and 12 year old kids and while this kind of professional mentality might make sense at u15 and above, for first year middle school kids, its a bit much. goodbye to the fun, its a job, a path, the yellow brick road you're stuffing them down.
They are 12 and 13 and many turning 14 soon. I don't like it and would not do it for mine, but the ones that do, will learn a tough lesson in life.
If you think you will be able to break into an ECNL team at U15 after playing year in and year out with average players, I think it will be too late. Yes its a tough environment but unless your daughter has a high paying job with your firm after college I think these lessons are better learned early in life. Many of these parents are the same ones that want the teachers to be friends with the kids and not give too much homework blah blah blah. I'd prefer my child to fail at soccer every so often and keep working hard to get a starting spot than not try at all. But not for everyone.
Not every ECNL club is operates like PDA and MatchFit. The only reason they roster so many is to flow between NPL & ECNL teams and to control the population of talented girls in NJ. It's a shame they are the only 2 clubs in NJ and nothing in central or south. This is why girls Will start flocking to PA and NY ECNL clubs.FC Bucks are smack right next to PDA south, World Class is near near enough to PDA shore and MF so you'll see a few talented girls from central, north eastern and south Jersey flock to them as the years go by and Penn Fusion is making a lot of noise now as well.
Thats the righteousness espoused by ECNL koolaid drinkers, that lifes lessons can only exist if you wear a jersey for a club that plays in ECNL. so wrong on so many levels. your post talks about what you want for your daughter. ever stand back and see what she really wants ? Now, granted, if you're talking about low level programs, I get it. But you all do remember, and this is critical, that probably 75% of the top teams in NJ, NY, CT, Mass are NOT ECNL. NOT. Better training, better coaches, better soccer, better development without the cost, the driving, studying for math test in the backseat. Maybe you ought to better define exactly what "life lessons" you think ECNL provides that arent provided elsewhere. ECNL has the potential to be a ton of fun, and a great avenue for a select few to achieve their soccer dreams. But its not even close to the only path, and in fact many other paths are better.Anonymous said... If you think you will be able to break into an ECNL team at U15 after playing year in and year out with average players, I think it will be too late. Yes its a tough environment but unless your daughter has a high paying job with your firm after college I think these lessons are better learned early in life. Many of these parents are the same ones that want the teachers to be friends with the kids and not give too much homework blah blah blah. I'd prefer my child to fail at soccer every so often and keep working hard to get a starting spot than not try at all. But not for everyone. June 15, 2015 at 6:06 PM
@June 15, 2015 at 6:06 PM - - You stated ' after playing year in and year out with average players '. Can you please name 5 teams that you would consider 'average players'?
TSF, Stallions, Crush, SDFC, World Class, STA, IGFA. These are teams that, with a few exceptions have fallen behind. These teams are playing average or below. Nice teams all of them but not pushing the envelope and the high end game is getting away from them. You asked.
@June 16, 2015 at 12:06 PM - - Actually I have to agree.
12:06pm. So who are leading the pack then at the age group? A top 5 would be a good start. I disagree with a few of the teams you have listed there especially as some have been playing small sided for the whole of U12 with some large sided thrown in here and there.
I know this was covered here not to long ago but I'll ask again rather than try to work back through a bunch of older posts.Anway, whats the difference, if any, between EDP's NPL and NYCSL NPL?
June 16, 2015 at 12:43 PM - - I believe all teams can be judged equally on their soccer abilities as a team no matter how long or short of a time they were playing 8v8/11v11. This is just an excuse that some people will use. Whether 8v8/11v11, you can tell if teams play good possession soccer, with great technical players who are smart as a whole on the field.
Possession soccer is the goal of all the teams. My daughter plays for a very strong ECNL team and the transition from 8 v8 to 11v11 isn't as simple as stated. I have seen many good possesion 8 v8 teams and players move to the big field and just don't have the speed to keep up or have relied on their size on the small field. A very good short sided defender gets blown by a fast striker or wing and tell me what skill makes up for that? See it all the time Very skilled kids don't necessarily equate to good teams. The combination of speed and skill is essential. Don't confuse that. and 12:06 on what basis do you identify those teams as falling behind?
So 2:12pm you are saying that all the teams you listed do not play good possession soccer? We are all entitled to our opinion but i disagree wholeheartedly. My daughters team have played almost every team listed and i can say that 3-4 of them do try and play possession style. They may not be as good as your daughters team who apparently are one of the select few teams in the State who have great technical players across the board but they are trying to do things right. I believe that every "top" team within NJ has lost to 1 of those teams you have listed in the past year....The EDPs NPL is ran by MAPS soccer. The NYCSL NPL is ran by US Club Soccer. Both are US Club soccer leagues but in NYCSL every Club enters their teams into every age group and they all travel to play the same team on the same day. EDP is not as well organized in that respect and allow single team clubs to enter (Cherry Hill for example).
I have seen just about every quality team in NJ play over the last season. Only one team impressed me with proficiency to play possession soccer against the better teams and that was PDA Galaxy. I am 100% not a PDA parent but we did play them and i have watched them against the better teams. the bottom line is that the weaker the opponent the easier to possess the ball. The better teams look great against lower competition but when they play against strong, fast teams, the ability to possess drops. No one can argue that.
@June 16, 2015 at 2:56 PM - - I wasn't the poster who listed the teams.
@ June 16, 2015 at 2:54 PM You state your daughter plays for an ECNL team that went from 8v8 to 11v11. Hmmm! Doesn't teams go into Pre-ECNL/NPL fro U13 prior to becoming the ECNL team at U14. So you sate our daughter is going U12 8v8 to U14 11v11. Now that's a jump!
Top NJ(only) Teams by League: EDP NPL: Rush/Rage, SDFC, Cherry Hill, NJ Rush, TSF, IGFA, NJ Wildcats, FreeholdNYCSL NPL: STA, NJ CrushNortheast NPL: PDA Nova, PDA Crew, MatchFitPre-ECNL: Galaxy, MatchFitAgain this will all depend on where teams decide to go for their NPL league EDP or NYCSL. Northeast NPL and Pre-ECNL are locked leagues for those ECNL clubs so they were easy.
@4:09 U12 is pre-ecnl. so excuse me. from U11 8v8 to pre-ecnl U12 11v11.and it is quite the transition and game does change tremendously. Kids that relied on size and only skill start to fall behind because without speed on the big field, they are left behind and chasing. At U12 the field is too large to capitalize on all the space.
@4:51 When was U12 Pre-ECNL I thought it was at U13? Are you sure you have the right age group for your daughter you ECNL Kool-Aid drinker. lol
@4:51 pre-ecnl starts at U12. My guess is your not aware bc your daughter isn't even on that radar. I didn't talk up ecnl so no need to make the remark kook aid drinker. My reference was to the difference between small sided and large sided. You are probably also the coach to protect your daughter's playing time. Don't be a hater.
4:51 isnt me, but what kind of comment is it to suggest the person is the daughter's coach to protect her play time when the poster is just saying that the change of U11 8v8 to U12 11v11 is a difficult one. That said, the poster is also a bit dopey in that she says kids that relied on speed fall behind because without speed on the big field, they are left behind. Yeah, the field at u12 is to big to utilize all the space. 1000% correct. Doesn't mean its a bad game. Watching the USWNT they dont utilize nearly all the space. Thailand looked like midgets next to Germans.
Pre-ECNL is u13 not u12 dopey. Show me link where it says u12 pre-ECNL. And no I'm not a coach and my daughter does play for and ECNL club and she is on a pre-ECNL team come fall. So I'm only saying kool-aid drinker to you because it seem you don't know. lol
@11:16pm I'm sorry who's dopey? And let me know if you need more links because there are plenty. Pre-ecnl u12U12 Pre-ECNLOur U12 Pre-ECNL program is the entry level and consists of 18 players. The competitive calendar includes league play, tournament play as well as friendlies with other ECNL clubs. The team will also participate in one JR ECNL event. Players train 2-3 times per week.http://www.slsgsoccer.com/slsg-illinois/player-development-platforms/girls/pre-ecnl-program/U12 Pre-ECNL and The Path ForwardThe goal of the pre-ECNL teams is to prepare players to play at the highest level of soccer in the country. Once Maryland United FC North players reach the U-13 age group, they will be placed in the Maryland United FC player pool. From that player pool, Maryland United FC will create at least two teams, an Elite Clubs National League (ECNL) team and a Maryland State Cup teams.http://www.mdunitedfc.org/TeamPages/north01redgirls/index_E.htmlElite Clubs National League U12 to U18 - OPEN TRIALShttp://www.wcsocceracademy.org/TryoutInformation/ECNL/index_E.html
Thanks for showing us your club's marketing ploy for ECNL. Please so us link from U.S. Club where the u12-PreECNL plays in a league like the u13 NorthEast NPL league. I can ask our club's marketing team to have a u11 PreECNL pool to make it even more interesting.LOLECNL truly doesn't start until u14 dopey, u15 and above is when it matters. Now you just proved to everyone on this blog about drinking the kool-aid.
I thought your daughter was playing for a ecnl club? Assume you were at the pre ecnl event two weeks ago for the u12girls. What club do you play for?
Is ODP something worth considering? I would like to hear pros and cons. TIA
Yes I was at pre-ecnl festvial at PF with her u13 preecnl.
ODP waste of money bottom line. If your daughter is already playing with a strong club team then your fine. ODP is on its way down, it doesn't carry the weight it used.
Thanks 9:17. I had heard mixed reviews, but wasn't exactly sure what you get for the money. It doesn't sound like it is worth it from a time or money perspective.
@7:46am you asked to show U12 pre-ecnl links which i did and you said pre-ecnl starts at U13 correct? now you are calling me dopey bc ECNL starts at U14. the question was about pre-ecnl. the pre-ecnl festival at PF was U12 there were no U13 teams there. your comments have no merit so who's Dopey? you should stop posting your remarks bc it is clear you have no clue what you are talking about and are all over the place.
1016 Sorry but I'm not the Dopey poster but we were also at PF festival and it was our rising U13's headed into fall season. Our rising U13's were already established as their were no rising U12 teams there. I think you have season's incorrect as our club team for U13's start after the holiday so technically the poster is correct as only Rising U13's that are entering for fall attended it. Teams that attend are in transition of going U13 come fall. Thus stating Pre-ecnl starts at U13 is correct. Northeast NPL has a bracket for U13 Pre-ECNL come fall no U12's are in it. You can view everything yourself on the NPL website on how U13 Pre-ECNL is setup. Clubs posting U12 pre-ecnl is a preliminary for U13's.
@11:43 thank you for your post I guess each club looks at it differently. Our club referred to the fest as pre-ecnl U12 and the schedule provided from PF said U12 festival not U13 rising as you put it. The team that we put out there was our U12 pre-ecnl team. the players joining next year were not part of the roster at PF. the links previously provided show that many clubs refer to their top teams at U12 as pre-ecnl. so i guess it is semantic. Anyway, it was a great environment and great soccer.There is just no need for someone to call another dopey over a U12 post that was accurate.End of day, none of this matters until they are U14 anyway.
1204 Sorry the Dopey poster is correct all teams at the festival were turning U13. So technically you are in PreU13 / Pre-ECNL stage. If your 12season is over its the transition period to U13. That was not PF U11's there it was their U12 transitioning to U13. I'm not a ECNL fan as I think there are plenty of NPL teams just as strong that will get my daughter where she wants to be if she wants it, but I have to side with Dopey as it seems as the marketing for those clubs Pre-ECNL is starting at U12 where technically it starts at U13. It's a shame how simple marketing words can really throw off the truth.
Anyone who takes any clubs marketing as truth at this point in the game is dopey. Check everything out for your kid personally and make a good choice. The words, leagues, divisions, etc. are of little consequence. What matters is a good fit for your player and your wallet.
@1:46 well said, and I think the dopey blogger is right on point stating U12 pre-ecnl is a marketing ploy. As for the blogger stating Pre-ecnl starts at U12 please don't take things so seriously as the dopey blogger is just calling you out and made a great point on marketing. It's entertaining and luv how he points out the truth. Come back dopey. LOL
To the bloggers asking about ODP. It's another avenue I see all the top players still doing it. It's relatively your preference if you want to spend usually half the amount you are spending on club teams. I suggest doing ODP at U15 when national exposure kicks in. U13/U14 ODP is still up in the air they are compiled with good and mediocre talent to see if they develop.
@June 17, 1231am/1016am/1204pm. - Dopey here I guess the bloggers proved my point now keep selling your club's marketing ploy of Pre-ECNL at U12. I'm not for or against PDA but they don't have marketing schemes like that, and they are one of the top clubs in America. You sir/ma'am have been served. lol
Nothing is better for development than game experience, one example, PDA Storm has an ECNL roster of 30 kids, 1/4 duel rostered alternating on a weekly basis. If that is your vision of development, go for it.
Disagree practices are for development, games are for competition. PDA is known for roster the max players as they let the girls cross play among there teams. Nothing wrong with that and yes there vision is different but it still equates to the same results.
What is a real difference between ODP and a program like "US Soccer". It seems that it's US Soccer that actually makes the US Olympic National team and not ODP. This is so extremely confusing.I'm looking at the announcement from them (also topsoccer).. where they claim to have selected "U15 national team".. from U.S. Soccer Training Centershttp://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2015/05/29/23/45/150530-u16gnt-u15gnt-hold-combined-camp-in-portland-orDoes ODP also create its own National Team?Or is USSoccer is just an ECNL filter machine? The U.S. Soccer Training Centers only seem to be made up of ECNL/Academy clubs, and there is no real way for smaller clubs to join.
Yes everything US Club or US Training centers majorly linked to soon to be announced academy for girls which is currently known as the ECNL league. Many of these things will be announced in the next year or so along with calendar year.
Quick question. In Gotsoccer, can someone tell me how to look for a certain league, ex- EDP, JAGS, etc. I see rankings, tournaments, etc but don't see a search for leagues? All your help is appreciated. Thanks
I think the game is the area where you show everyone how well your trained and disciplined. Practices should be harder than the game. I do agree games are very important for the kids to learn how to deal with pressure and rise to the occasion. If your not learning in practice and working harder than the next team the game will not be helpful towards development.
This just in.....Match Fit Top 3 in the country
Top three for fields ?Top three at this age group ? Top three in cost ?
ODP is a channel for USNT. Far fewer kids go that route these days. There is only one true national team at each age and that is run by US Soccer.
In 2015/16 ECNL is requiring every club to play an ECNL event at U12. That is new.
7:04 don't know where you get your info from, but Matchfit is a very disorganized organization from younger to older age groups...it's a joke!
Depending on your club/team manager, there are so many options for soccer development/exposure, or whatever soccer aspirations your child may have or pathway that you want to at least open to give your child soccer options in any soccer org. whether it be through USYS (NJYS ect.), US Club Soccer which has ECNL/NPL ect... Remember, try and support what makes your child happy and her love to play the game.
ha ha, all the points chasers playing in south jersey. after such a weak finish to many of their seasons, they got to go squirrel up those last points less they fall out of the Gotsoccer Premium rating zone. no better way to celebrate your father than drag him down to ANOTHER tournament in monsoon rain.
you are truly a nasty person. I feel bad for your child. A lot of these teams are good teams getting ready to play 11v11 from 8v8. Such jerks lurking around.
play as much soccer as you and your kids desire. what does anyone care how much or little others play? do your thing, let others do theirs. that said, the couple of 2,3 top teams in that tournament are all 11v11 already. Maybe it is their summer select sessions.
Sad that the Women's World Cup is not being promoting very well and not on prime time channels.Media should do a better job hyping it up!!!
Where did this team Delran come from, moving into the top twenty in New Jersey.
Top 20 won't even register with the crowd on an anonymous soccer blog.
Delran has won some tournaments in the last few weeks,and won a lot of games playing EDP. I guess they will be moving up in EDP bracket in te fall, way to go Delran!!!
Another town team moving up in the rankings.
No Another town team moving up the GS points rankings. Again you people cannot follow those rankings because a Delran team will not be able to compete against the top EDP or North East NPL teams and wont even come close to even playing any of the pre-ECNL teams come this fall. So for those who still follow those GS point standings need to have a reality check.
Chipping away to the top
You ECNL blowhards need a dose of humility. Take any of the top ECNL squads and look at their results. Some horrific, some pretty good. No one invincible and especially beatable against the top teams in any of the leagues. You ECNL folks suffer the same issues that US WOmen's National team suffers. You have the money. You have access to the best stuff, to the leagues, and thus you think you're better than others. And yet, there are amazing teams and kids out there who will have their day with you. Your spending your money doesn't make you better. Humility is important. Get some.
The U12 rankings have a couple NJ teams in the top 100, starting with PDA Galaxy at #20, but I didn't see any true "town teams" in the top 100. The closest might be the Arsenal/FC Maximus combine team. 9:31 - What town teams are you talking about?
Cherry Hill is a town team in the top 20. Duh!
Cherry Hill is a great town team. I'm sure though they may have girls from surrounding towns though on that team. Correct me if I'm wrong. When do you stop considering a team, a 'town team'? They have an academy style program. High level coaches, play in high level leagues, and send girls to top soccer colleges.
Anyone ever here of SCP (Sussex County Premier). THey have a U14 team and just built a team that will be playing U13 in Fall. THey are going to play lower level EDP
Cherry Hill has difficulty attracting quality players. The youth to pre-teen squads benefit from a large drawing area within and outside of the town and a good facility, but the parents and parent volunteers are unable to protect themselves from themselves. The use of paid trainers in combination with volunteer coaches breeds an environment which can be unappealing to high level players. Any team with parental influence can become destructive in the later years.
Why do all the teams at the top of got soccer have double points for spring edp league? Getting points for 2014 and 2015? I thought 2014 gets taking off when new year is applied. Amazing how many events some teams play.
Does anyone know why the 2015 PDA Spring Kickoff did not award GotSoccer points? At first it did and then the points were removed. If this tournament is not going to award points I can foresee a number of clubs no long attending. This would be a shame because it is a really good tournament and for New Jerseyites, very convenient.
What happened to rage at delco? Got spanked. Do you lose a player?
What happened you ask. What happened (PAUSE)What happened is that your parents didn't spank you enough when you were growing up.
GS points have expiration dates for each event. Spring will come off by month end thus their is a revolving door of Top teams every month. Again do not use GS as a gauge to rank teams it's primary purpose for the youth level teams is to help position those teams in right brackets for tournaments and league play.PDA members dislike GS points and that is by choice because ECNL does what it is needed for their players exposure vs. playing a tourney every month and chasing points. If anyone really needs proof research 5 D1 schools look at incoming or current freshman players on each team and you will see majority of them are coming from an ECNL club. My daughter is hoping she plays at that level and her goal is to make an ECNL team in the future. She can care less about winning tournaments and GS points anymore.
@1251 Plus you have leagues that award GS points for every placed positioned 1st to last place. Makes no sense to award GS points to teams coming 4th - 8th place in league play, absolute ridiculous. Not mocking Penn Fusion but they got 1700+ points for coming in 7th place in league play. How does that make sense? Of course PF will be stronger next year unfortunately many will not see them unless in a tournament environment. Totally agree with 3:42 GS blog but please do not Hype up ECNL just yet.
Very hard to make an ECNL team if you aren't in that program by U13. I think combined MFA and PDA made 3 out of club roster additions for next falls U14 team, and it gets tougher from there. Generally you need to be a major D1 prospect.
7:19 You are blowing smoke. U13 is Pre-ECNL trial and error year and 25% of the roster will change or simply have additions at U14. It's not until U16 most of the team roster's are locked up. Been through it myself there were 5 additions when my oldest daughter was U14 I think 3 or 4 at U15. Don't make comments on this blog unless you have seen it first hand unfold. Plus the ones flocking to U13 Pre-ECNL are the ones that are scared there daughter can't make it in the later years. Parent Fear's is shown as this example.
9:47 completely agree. MF just added 8 new players to their U15 roster this year, and PDA also cut players and recruited new ones, even mid season, including some national pool players. Paying $ to PDA for 5 years doesn't give them any loyalty to you. They continue to just cut and re-load.
947 Thanks for backing up my statement with what happened at Match Fit. It's nice to hear some reality people on here. I even heard a few times a girl formally on the national pool circuit and then cut at the ECNL level that's how much disparity things can change year over year. Best time to move to an ECNL team is at U14 mid-year and if your daughter is capable of playing up U15 it's even better because she will get notice playing alongside Sophomore's and Juniors.
So the U14 team at MFA added zero, and the U15s added 8. That still makes it pretty tough to make those teams. Neither MFA or PDA was very strong at U14 this year and the strength of the groups is a factor in roster turnover. Also important to point out that rosters commonly expand from 20 or so to 25 at U15. I think the statement that ECNL teams are very hard to make from outside the ECNL clubs at any age is accurate.
Who will be the next big female stand out from Delran? Look out!!
Go Delran, great to see a town team so supportive. Hopefully another US National player comes out of there. Remember she didn't play for some over priced ECNL/NPL team it was hard work and determination that got her there. Didn't she even play for the NJ Wildcats as well.
Lloyd did play for the Medford Strikers as well.The strikers were her main club team.
There was no ECNL or NPL when she played.
1001 Agreed it was hard work on her part and dedication to continue playing after her collegiate years that got her there. Now the problem this era faces is the over priced ECNL/NPL clubs. This limits only the parents that have the income to provide this path and is taking away from the many girls that do not have those options. I understand parents that want to give these options for there daughters but there are many other girls that don't. ODP is becoming expensive as well, so it's becoming unattainable to parents that cannot afford the high level they think their daughter can play which have a influx of girls flocking to other affordable sports by highschool. Just my 2 cents!Delran isn't know high class town either like Princeton so I'm sure if LLoyd was growing up in this ERA she probably would still be with her local town and small club team like Medford strikers.
In the end, it is always hard work and dedication required to excel. $$ can open lots of doors, get you in a fancy league, get you on a high cost team. It can't buy talent, hard work or dedication.
ECNL clubs give scholarships to players that cannot afford it as do most clubs. If a player is that good, they will be offered a scholarship.
Who said anything about needing or wanting an ECNL scholarship? Hardwork, talent, dedication, sacrifice. Player needs those things more than any particular league with or without scholarship. Scholarship is not without big drawbacks anyway. Instantly puts the player on unequal footing among the families on the team and she gives up the power the others have of being a paying customer. Better to find the best option you can afford.
Yeah they also give scholarships to players they don't want to leave either. All this is set by a teams budget as the coach will pick up an extra player to offset the cost thus the reason why you will see 20+ on a roster it's all about the $'s from the Pre-teen the early teenage groups. U.S. Club should have funding place to a side to give scholarships to talented players that cannot afford it and clubs should be requesting for these funds.
I guess everyone is at peace and happiness until the Fall.
I think so. It'll be an exciting season coming up with teams now across many states going from 8v8 to 11v11. Plus, with certain top teams separating themselves from other top teams due to club affiliation and their separate league play/schedules. Teams will all have to push hard when it comes time for State Cup as this will be the only time certain teams may face each other unless they are up against each other in any tournaments. And also, last year for certain teams/girls to get to play State Cup due to that certain league that doesn't allow State Cup play. So whoever gets to Regions this year will definitely have some tougher competition with the other states now participating in State Cups at U13. Hope every team have their squads together, training in place, and excellent coaching all around! Good Luck to all!
215 Disagree this coming season will be trial and error for many players/teams/parents etc. I see many controversies popping up like the possible move to calendar year, also player separation within a team from good clubs to be lured into ECNL clubs, also which NPL league will showcase better Northeast or EDP, and many parents will complain about tournament placement as well. I think the GS points have slowly been on the downturn since many parents realize it can change month to month and is majority determined on how GS point events you attend with a season. I also see many parent individualization pushing forward vs. a more team atmosphere setting due to trying to get there daughter recognize identification programs like U.S. training centers. I'm personally glad we are with the top club in the nation looking out but I know there are many good coaches, teams and players still out there and wish them all luck!
Spirit United shaping up to be a shoot out I think Penn Fusion pre-ECNL will take top bracket. Probably only tourney to have top teams from both NPL leagues in it.
My daughter was invited to a us training center session. Does anyone have experience with this? What to expect? What happens after the session?
What is a U.S. Soccer training session session? A session does not sound like much.How many kids get invited and how do they get invited? What age groups are eligible?
Where is Soccer Nut when you need him? Maybe JoeT knows? I looked up the website and it seems to be another avenue towards natl team exposer. I don't understand the whole Arcademy Program talk, I thought that was boys side?
U.S. Soccer Training Centers are invite only, players are selected through recommendation or evaluation. It's another avenue towards national team status. It's free to attend for local centers but if you are invited for any further training and ID camp travel expenses are paid by parents. It's another great avenue outside of ODP and ID2. Parents have to understand their daughters are still young and one program identification like ODP may miss but another like US training center may not or other way around. Again this is nice that there are different avenues for the so many potential girls out there. I think I also read an article a few days ago how another boom of soccer players will start playing this year vs prior years because of the WMNT winning US Cup. It happened back at the last world cup US won. So be glad there so many different paths.
The us training center for girls is a year-long program. They're identifying 2003&2004 for a year of training with potential for u14. The 25 selected girls participate in monthly training for the year. May be different from the boys program. We just went through it with our 2003 daughter. She was invited to regional camp and back for sessions this year
I'm hearing a lot of chatter of Birth Year is it true that PDA's older squads have realigned many players and coaches to this already to prepare for the next year's announcement.
My daughter was asked to be apart of the US training sessions next week. She is going. She is excited, especially since the World Cup win. Should be interesting to see what they do compared to her team training.
@12:39- which state/area?My daughter just went. Did 30 minutes technical (passing), then games.
It will be next week in NJWhat camp did you go to? Surprised to hear there was another one recently.
12:39 Is it FREE? Or is it going to cost you lots of $$$$$. If so it's a scam.
It's a U.S. Natl team camp invite, you are so clueless.Stick to Giving pda shit, not the natl team you moron.
Yes- it's free. Our session was in PA
Great options especially if you don't play for one of the ECNL clubs.
Has anyone been invited who is not from ecnl clubs? I have not heard anyone from our team going and we have at least two players who I could see them wanting to see.
Hahaha. You have to pay to play.
Does anyone know when EDP will come out with division/teams for the fall?
@11:01- At my daughter's session, at least half the players were non-ecnl club players.
What session was that? I was told this is the first one of the year for this this region.
Last year EDP released the schedule I believe the 3rd week in August. This is when the fun begins trying to reschedule games because of tourneys. EDP will have a hard time ranking the teams this year. Many are equally talented, but with the major infusion of new players many clubs took on going from 8v8 to 11v11 it will will be a chore to rank competitively. I don't think going by the spring records will help. Going to be a great season regardless.
Birth year and small sided mandate for player development was approved at July 5th meeting. It's official and will start next fall. The 02 girls will struggle a bit during transition. Will be a tough year to make transition as the 02 girls playing u14 this year will mostly be going into high school next year as the 02 playing u13 this year will be going into 8th grade next year. Half the players will be gone in the fall - this will be an ugly timing to transition.
What July 5th meeting was this? I can't find any link online. Can you provide one?
So the move to birth year is recommended to start August 2016 but mandated to start August 2017.
The major clubs will move fast and get it over with.
The question is, when will the leagues, tournaments, state cups etc make the move over to birth year...
Oh well August 17th Mandate that's two years from now and half the girls will be leaving this sport by then. Many thought it would of been earlier like next spring.
How come that document was copyrighted 2014 and then approved on July 2015. Did it really take the U.S. BOD that long to review 16 pages. By the time it will actually get out to the public and mandated it will be 2020. lolIt's only a document from at club level until I see something published on U.S. Club or U.S. Youth websites then I believe the true date.
The ecnl clubs will all move together next year. It looks the 2002 year will have it the worst. You have to deal with competing for spots against the current u14 2002 girls and they won't be around in the fall.
It's going to be a cluster next year, I totally agree the small % of 2002's playing U14 this coming year will be righteously in good position as for those 2002's playing U13 they will have to start thinking where should they look now. It's going to cause mass confusion and animosity this will bring to this blog since this age group is on the cutting edge of the change. Oh well glad I have an '03.
I sure most of the top teams are overweighted with 2002 starters.
I wonder how the age change will affect college recruiting and when some 2002's graduate and others are looking to play that are still in HS, will that present an issue?
Won't affect much high school because by Sophmore or Jr. year the ones that will continue playing at the college level have already committed. There are abundance of girls verbally commited after freshman year already.
@9:19 EDP hosted a training event about two weeks ago. It is part of their EDP TIP/Pathway to College program. It was a regional invitational free training session for U11-U14 boys and girls. EDP called it a Development Day. I believe players were nominated by their club to participate.Sounds like what the poster who posted '30 minutes of technical(passing) and games' was writing about. Maybe US soccer had a session the same week and coincidentally used same training format?? Maybe the poster is confused about who hosted the training event her daughter attended?
@5:34- I'm not confused. This was in PA, not NJ. It was a us soccer training center, not EDP.My daughter plays for an ecnl club.
Did your daughter go as a 2003 or 02? How was the rest of the competition and was the training well done? I have a 2002 so I assume it's a little tougher as she will be up against girls playing a year up, but happy she got the invite.
Much harder to make us training center invite as a 2002, if you are at a very strong club. Most recommendations have to be approved by DOC and there is always a mix of candidates from multiple teams spread across the same age group. Current u13 team, our age group will be competing with players at u14 who were born in 2002. The coaches want to make sure they only send the best of best, it's their reputation on the line as well.
I wonder when these clubs will start making announcements about birth year changes? I assume we will see a lot of joint practices over the next year between age groups and lots of internal scrimmages so the coaches can get to know their new players. I heard PDA storm, current u14 team has 25 on roster. If this is true, they probably have at least 10 or so 2002 girls. the dragons which is PDA second team probably have many very solid 2002 players too. Will be tough for the current 2002 u13 girls to get starting positions, let alone make Ecnl teams. This will be the same at many clubs with strong multiple teams and big rosters. Can anyone say what the breakup of ages is on PDA Galaxy?
Does it matter the only ones that will struggle will be the girls born from Aug. To Dec. that have been playing down. Those parents will hava lot of insecurities this coming year as they face the reality there child will end up on the younger end of the table and most probably Will be playing up a with girls a school grade older as well.Going to be interesting for the 2003 and 2002s.
Why was my comment removed? I just shared information regarding the us training center session? Very odd.To answer your question - my daughter is 2003. The younger girls (2004 and 2002) had a tougher time against the older girls . They were split into 2003/2004 and 2001/2002. So, there were rising U11s with much bigger/more experienced rising U13s
Everyone is neglecting the fact that the people who run soccer centers know some kids are older than others and take that into account during session evaluations.
The good players should not have an issue with the transition.I know of a few parents that would have preferred to have this information prior to tryout season. The upcoming winter / spring could have more player movement than usual.
All the transitions depends on the teams and players clubs have above and below them.Pda has strong teams at current u12 and u14, should all stay strong. Hearing storm has 25 players at u14, wouldn't want to be going there, assuming even a 60/40 split. My gut tells me most strong teams are weighted with 2002.Clubs like MF and WC have very weak teams below, solid teams above.This is the case with most other clubs as well. It will all look very different next year.Should be a good time to move to PDA if you are a 2003.Is Galaxy a 50/50 split? Would be nice to know about making team next year, my daughter is a 2003 and would hope this helps her odds.My biggest issue is our younger team is very weak and most of our top players are 2002.
The Aug-Dec players who have been getting by on physical ability alone will struggle, but their time would have been up in a year or two anyway. The Aug-Dec players who were developed properly will do just fine.This will be telling in another way. Parents will quickly realize if their club was more interested in winning than developing their kid. Personally, I have Oct and June daughters (also a Dec and Nov). The Oct daughter is by far the best in her age group. The club started practicing her once a week last summer with the age group above (U13). She more than held her own but wasn't as dominate, probably 3rd or 4th best. She never guest played since during league play she is committed to her team and for tournaments it is preferred that the A teams pull from the B teams before going down an age group. As for the June daughter she is middle of the pack on a very talened U10 (this fall) team. But at that age it changes almost weekly not many of them are consistent which is expected. Fun times ahead, enjoy your seasons, and try your best to remember this should be a fun experience and don't get caught up in all the college talk it is too unpredictable at this age. As a case in point my oldest (the Dec B-day entering Sr. HS) is sitting on offers (combined athletic and academic) from 1 ACC, 2 BIG 10 schools and 4 other D1'S and she didn't kick a soccer ball in a formal setting until she was in 7th grade. The Nov, going into So. yr doesn't play soccer.
Wow 4 daughters, good to hear and nice opinion. Good luck
1227 Since your daughter is a senior can you give us your opinion is she playing for an ECNL club if not did she get the exposure at the high school level? Yes I do agree that there are girls starting 7th or 8th grade that have not touched a soccer ball yet but in a few years they will get noticed.
Whom ever called out the brackets and where PDA teams where going to be placed was spot on. Where will PDA Shore play? Preliminary schedules are out. U13 - Pre-ECNL (PDA:Galaxy)U13 - North East NPL (PDA South(Nova) and North(Crew))PreECNL sch: http://nplnortheastgirls.demosphere.com/schedules/2015-16/78887667.htmlNPL sch: http://nplnortheastgirls.demosphere.com/schedules/2015-16/78887658.htmlLet the forecasted rankings begin. lol
4 daughters and a son! My kids don't play at an ECNL club. If there was an ECNL club nearby I would have them there in a heart beat. Despite the upfront costs it seems like a bargain. The exposure came from camps, showcase tournaments and a recruiting service. We basically marketed her. In one instance we found a team from another state that brought her on for a showcase event. Despite those offers she is far from elite. Her grades are what will have gotten her into the school. No offers until Jr yr transcripts went out. As one assistant said.. "xxxx is a nice player, she is a safe choice for us because she won't be an academic risk... we're only allowed so many of those" Basically, all the messages were she helps the team gpa, won't play much, wont cost much, but will love being part of the team! Oh and let us know within the next 30 days or there are no gaurantees. Ironically, she understands this decision could actually be the end of her soccer career not the start of new chapter. Big Time school = practice player, Small Time school = game time. The tough choice is the bigger schools are known for academics more than women's soccer.
It's me the guy with all kids...I just want add that the purpose of my posts weren't to draw attention to my kids. The message I am trying to get across is don't worry or stress what you can't control, age group, tournaments your team plays in, who left for another club, etc... Focus on what you can control, is she being developed properly, is she having fun, is she in best environment to maximize potential without burning out, does she have cool cleats... the rest will take care of itself?
Question; Do folks just jump over to the u13g blog when it strikes midnight or does this blog continue on as a renamed entity?Or does it all get wiped clean and we get a fresh opportunity to acknowledge PDA's greatness!
This blog converts to U13 like it did last year and for all you ECNLer's there is your own ECNL blog to talk about your wonderful opportunities and bragging rights.
Midnight tonight we are officially U13, Goodbye U12's welcome U13. It was a great U12 year hopefully many of you parents remember this transition year. Now we all head into stressed environment of U13 where many changes will occur this year.
Are folks using that new link?
Nope zero post for these age group be careful it could be a setup to capture your IP address and find out who all the anonymous people are. J/KPlus I'm surprised the Admin's for this blog hasn't taken it down yet.
Big talent shake-up at MFA for the next years U14 team. The biggest blow yet...
Yes hearing MF is doing a big change maybe they are organizing for the calendar year change.
MF will be better next year, and that's not saying much. At least their current u14 teams are decent and should be able to have a few 2003 girls stay down and help these current teams. I'm glad they are going ecnl this year, would be a waste of time playing them.
MF needs a talent change, they have none at this age.
MF will be fine they will attract talent throughout the years, everyone in Northern NJ the team to be is PDA Pre-ECNL(Galaxy). MF will get the fall out of top players later in the years. NJX will ultimately become the MF ECNL come next year.
Did any notice the format FC Stars has it's following the new U.S. Club format for Calendar year change. U12 is 9v9/11v11 and U13 and above is 11v11. Interesting that the club is already following those guidelines so I guess the calendar year change will take affect next. Can't wait to see the acceptance list!
FC Stars did 9v9 last year for the U12 age group.
456 No they did not. Get your facts straight before you publish. Last Year Link: http://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=38880Nice to see an abundance of NJ teams there this year.
Oops posted wrong tourney FC Stars Last Year: http://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/event.aspx?EventID=38363
Apologies i meant 8v8, miles away from 9v9.
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