Okay, thanks and nice year so far if this came from a PDA parent. What happens next year with this team? I have a 2003 who played against you last few seasons and is good and I believe even better when you eliminate all the girls born in 2002. She was asked to play on crew, we decided to stay for now. Our team will melt next year with all the girls going to 2002, 11 out of 14. They are talking and are considering keeping us together for now, we don't have the club depth to make change, and the u12 team needs help. Any insight or direction would help. I'm curious if other clubs have heard anything yet?
NJCSA U14G - EDP Cup Champs! Cmon get a ECNL up in here!
NJCSA U14 this is the U13 blog but nice win.
What will this blog be next year - 13 or 14 ? I think a lot of us who have 02 daughters will need to look at PDA, I'm not sure many other clubs will be able to make clean cut over like ecnl will. I know we can't based on our numbers, we have ten 02 and five 03 girls. I think PDA will have enough girls to keep a 02 team playing next year, even though 30 percent will be in HS. I'm sure all other ecnl clubs will too and they have their own schedule of games. The rosters will just be much bigger in the spring when the HS girls come back. Not sure about MF - can't seem to keep track of what they do and not sure I would trust them. It's not that I trust PDA much, just think they are much more stable.
Nope they are not just as stable as each team is treated will be treated differently base. If you have an 03 sticking it out at U13 for one more year may be a viable option until things sake out. Remember ECNL doesn't truly start until U14 and even at that age it's not as important until U15/U16 when recruiting will become a standard for showcases and games.
I heard ECNL is starting at U13 next year in order to keep five age groups: u13, u14, u15, u16, u17/18.
Ive heard PDA is contemplating not allowing the girls-side to play high school if ECNL. I believe EcNL has been contemplating this for years, thus PDA as well. With the new age splits, now would be the time to kiss off high school hack ball.
I personally do not believe in this not playing high school. Do you tell a potential D1 basketball player not to play high school NO!. Personally I think clubs should be connecting more with high schools systems near them to help them out instead of taking it away from girls. Boys have been doing it for years and look where it got them probably eliminated from the world and first round exit in the Olympics, boys do not stop growing until 16-19 so whom to say during their high school years a boy can blossom into an elite player. Soccer in America is so behind because upper tiers are worried about looking at kids before they even hit maturity thus righting off many potential players that end up moving into other sports this is clearly what is wrong with our development system. Changing things to calendar year is incorrect way as well.
^^^^^"A mind is a terrible thing to waste"
5:47, yes good win for NJCSA, and next time you see the ref at your BBQ, tell him we say hi....
So if PDA does not allow girls to play high school - are they then going to have a fall ECNL season? If so, then this would also affect all of the other ECNL clubs in Pennsylvania, NY, NJ, CT, MA. They better be careful what they wish for. I'm sure some people will always believe that ECNL is the best and go to it at the expense of high school soccer. But...Policies like this could also encourage a mass-exodus from some of the Pennsylvania ECNL programs where high school is still a big deal (with good teams and good coaches).
1022 Agree not just in PA but Northern Jersey some southern NJ has some of the top High School teams in the country. 2:00 blog is on point it makes no sense of changing girls programs up when they are tops in the world maybe it's the boys side who should follow the girls programs closely. Let me ask a question since PDA and other clubs U15+ and up start training and play starting after high school is tuition less the U12-U14 teams since they pretty much go all year round.
11:01 no, tuition does not decrease. They double up on their schedule in the spring.
@10:01......stop by , how ya like your steak?
yummy steak. the ref had like 3 tbones and a few filet mignons in a doggie bag along with another back that seemed to have greenbacks popping out.
hopefully he does our next gm also :)
academy for girls i hear is a green light go. who knows, maybe it doesn't come to fruition, not sure why it would be needed with ECNL providing a venue, but ECNL is still maybe a bit out of their control and reach. Could be a great thing for those very very exceptional talents that can play and want to play that level. It's for sure the top of the pyramid on the boys side.
Where did you hear this? I hear a lot and read a lot and hasn't seen anything lately. Thanks.
Heard the same thing the clubs with Boys DA will be start of the transition over as Girls DA. Many are girls ECNL teams are already linked to a DA for boys if you compare clubs closely enough. I guess high school soccer may be off the books for many girls in the coming years which is a shame still believe HS is great for teenage girls.
No one would argue that HS ball is inferior in training, development and quality of play relative to great club ball. If US SOccer goes girls academy and then prohibits players from player HS ball as they do with the boys currently, it will just properly filter out those who really want to try for that top step versus those who do not. Academy is supposed to be for that rare <1% kid who has the ability and the passion to go for it. it might come at the expense of friends, school, other adventures, but so be it. US Soccer is trying to build a system that generates the best players in the world, not the most rounded, not the best algebra students. It will not be for everyone but for the rare few, its the right system. It has to be fully funded to make any sense and it has to be year round.
And this will take years, the money isn't there.
Money is there. It just comes from the parents instead of US soccer or sponsors. Pay (a lot) to play.
Will the two rush teams merge next year? What will the more dominant age group if they do, 03 or 02?I have an 03 that will need to make change as our team only has to few 03 girls to make transition. Looking at PDA south too, but don't believe they will have a strong 03 team after transition happens. Looks like it will be mostly the girls from the current u12 team and the same with our club. What else is a good option for the south? My guess in penn fusion, but not sure we want that yet. I also saw that their current u13 team is mostly 02 players.
1156 It's going to be a large shift not sure which clubs/teams will be overly good. We are in the same boat 03 child, I’m taking the advice of to make sure to look at the coach and training for develop of my daughter v strength of a team for the age change next year. If PF’s current roster is mostly 02’s at U13 may be worth looking elsewhere as many 02’s are playing U14 for them as well. If you look at PDA’s roster and other's you'll notice they have an abundance of 02's playing at U14. Those players will most likely overtake those 02’s playing at U13 due to playing in the private ECNL/NPL league already, this will cause a ripple effect for our 03’s either way. So like I said it is going to be all up in air.
Does anyone know if this calendar year change will happen in Fall of 2016 for other teams that play in lower leagues like Northern Co, mcysa, etc? I know Northern Co cards through US Club, and mcysa through USYS (NJYS) . If US Club and USYS make the switch early in fall 16' do the leagues such as the ones mentioned have to follow?
@ 11:56If you want ecnl then you need to look over the bridge into PA and at PDA.If you are okay with an NPL level, go barons or rush in the south.Barons and Rush are similar in their training styles. More technique then tactic. They do play tactical though it doesn't seem to be emphasized until the much older years.
952 What's wrong with PDA South vs Barons or Rush?
@11:33PDA south is a feeder into the ecnl team. If you want ecnl then PDA may be a good option. I heard they train very well.Also heard they don't like to take players in the winter. Prefer to have new players come in during normal tryout cycle.You can get training that is just as good at Barons or Rush for less $ in the south. If you don't care about ecnl and are okay with npl.
133 How many of the U12/U13 PDA South Players are being pulled up to Pre-ECNL or do they wait until U14 to do that. If so when they are pulled up are the parents traveling up North and not to the South team. Just trying to understand their system.
@ 1:40'03's will be the pre-ecnl next year (fall 2016).A club can only have one ecnl team per age group.Currently the u13 pre-ecnl team is north.Odds are that the '03 ecnl team will be north, as well.Nothing is carved in stone at this point and I'm sure can change at a moment's notice.
Does PDA have facilities north of Somerset area?
Did PDA have any teams in the NJYS State cup? I see STA vs NJ Rush (Grey) in semis, other side Im guessing other NJ rush will get to semis also. Could be a Rush vs Rush final!
No PDA and Matchfit do not do NJYS State Cup! They are to lazy to card their kids for a few games under NJYS.
October 20 @ 11:48:How can you say it is the right thing for soccer? Boys academy has been around for awhile now, and our USMNT can not compete nationally. However our USWNT does compete and win on a regular basis. If it's not broke, don't fix it. And definitely don't copy a program that is not working on the mens side.
11:28am. Seeing as how Rush Grey have never beaten STA then they have to pull out a performance or hope for a bad day on STAs part. I'd bet on a STA v NJ Rush (RAGE) final.
Is anyone even paying attention to state cup this fall seems like this blog has moved on. The previous years it was blogger fest in here.
11:14 I think many on this age group blog are worried about what's going to happen for next year. As many 02's will have to skip U14 and need to find a team for U15.It's going to very hard for the 02's playing U13 next year to transition to a U15 environment in my opinion. Below is US Youth Age matrix and I'm sure US Club will follow suite. http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/assets/1/15/US%20Youth%20Soccer%20Birth%20Year%20and%20Season%20Matrix.pdf
You can call it U13 or U14 or U15 but that doesn't change that it is simply 2002's with 2002's and 2003's with 2003's, etc...I'm sure all will be well with the world come next fall. Tryouts will probably be packed.But should be fun and entertaining.
Nobody skips. You either move up or stay at the same age group. Next year 2002s will be U14 and 2003s U13.
638 get your facts straight it's clearly written on the wall for you. The prior post provides you the link to the matrix.
I agree with "You can call it U13 or U14 or U15 but that doesn't change that it is simply 2002's with 2002's and 2003's with 2003's, etc..."It does sound daunting for a 2002 U13 to jump to U15. But it is just semantics. No one will be more than 12-months older.The girls that have played ODP or Union Juniors or have practiced with an older age group will be a little more comfortable with the change.
its good for kids to be put outside their comfort zone. let them play up and go against bigger and stronger athletes. If they hope to play high school soccer, they're going to have to compete against potentially 17 and 18 year olds real soon. Those who say they rather she play freshmen or JV for a few years makes no sense to me.Be low on the totem pole and work your way back up. Cream always rises to the top. Those who don't, don't.
10:20 I agree the 02's playing U13 will be impacted the most as moving up to play U15 with other 02's currently playing U14. Those 02's @U14 this fall/spring and will be entering their HS years have already been at the advantage of playing girls much older. As for the 03's it's going to be a much easier transition for them moving up to U14.What are the 02's @U13 entering 8th grade going to do next fall? As no fall soccer league games at U15.
Looks like NJX who always claimed to be a town team and is now a full blown ecnl elite team at the almighty MF isn't doing so well. And what's up with WC? If ecnl is so good, why are these teams so bad? can someone from rage tell me how the team will look next year if they do the transition to 02 and 03 teams? I think rage/rush will be the best option for south jersey for the next few years. Looks like PF is also a solid bet, but they are going 02 and 03 next year and most are 02's. I have an 03.
12:02, I heard most of PF is 03's not 02's
Okay - on ecnl looks like 10 of 18. How many of 03 girls start? This may be the team at 03 next year.
Pda has 7 of 18 - how many of them are starters. Pda also has good second team and a strong u12 team, that assume have decent 03 girls. What about PF u12 and second team? Not sure MF should even be in discussion. Again, I still think rage/rush could be a great option if they join the teams, just don't have a clue about 03/02 make up of players? And what their plans are. PDA south will get hurt in transition with lack of depth and many other clubs.
I believe most of the starters are 2002 girls on Penn Fusion. Probably what 12:02 was implying.
1:07, no idea how many 03's start just heard that there are only 6-7 02's on the current PF U13 roster
7 2003 starters on PF
2:14, to be clear, I was NOT implying that most of PF starters are 2002 at all. Just saying that their team is mostly comprised of 2003 players...... the implication is they should have a decent head-start on their 03 squad.
"Pda has 7 of 18 - how many of them are starters. Pda also has good second team and a strong u12 team, that assume have decent 03 girls. What about PF u12 and second team? Not sure MF should even be in discussion. Again, I still think rage/rush could be a great option if they join the teams, just don't have a clue about 03/02 make up of players? And what their plans are. PDA south will get hurt in transition with lack of depth and many other clubs."You hit the nail on the head when stated "just don't have a clue". Everything else in your multiple posts was useless noise.
I think the comments about Matchfit may have hit a nerve...
@925 what nerve, yours?
Don't mess with njx
It's just sad when an adult has to check out the birth years of all the players on different clubs. Are you that insecure about your daughter, whom you are living out your childhood dreams of greatness thru? Does your daughter know how much time you spend on this stuff? What would she say if she knew? No matter what club you choose, you'll always be the same tool.
http://usclubsoccer.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/USSF-calendar-year-competition-age-chart-2016-18.pngSomeone else compare this Matrix with the one posted above and tell me if you see any differences?
Here is another:http://www.vysa.com/docs/USYS-NEW-SOCCER-AGE-CHART-2016-BIRTH-YEAR-MATRIX%20%231.pdf
426 , why are you on this blog ? You sound like you have the same issues , I think we all have a little.I like that the blog has some life again.
Seems like Gotsoccer screwed up multiple teams point system. What are they going to do?
Holy crapola. Who woke NJX moma bear up? I thought she passed on to greener grass..
I think the last two age matrix are correct - I can't imagine they would make 02's playing U13 skip U14 and go straight to U15. but who knows which is correct - doesn't matter since the groupings by age will be the same anyway
The US youth is correct 02's will play U15 - Think about how USSF, ODP has been doing it the past 20+ years. Also look at other ID programs like ID2 and PDP. Why would they re-adjust that. Look how the Boys DA does it also and that's all under the influence of USSF.
You are wrong. I can guarantee you kids born in 2002 will be U14 next year. Sad that they put up an incorrect chart initially. It has since been corrected, but they did not remove the old one. The whole system boys and girls is changing. That is why ECNL and USDA are adding younger ages U12/U13 for next year. ECNL will be Pre-ECNL at U12.
MEA culpa, you are likely correct. One thing I don't understand is why ECNL would have floated the following new ECNL ages:U13, U14, U15, U16, U17-U18I wonder if that is incorrect. Sorry for the confusion.
10:44 The incorrect matrix was posted prior and was stated the new one that was uploaded and is currently on the website is correct that 7:11 posted. My 03 daughter will be U14 next fall as she is playing Pre-ECNL U13 now and currently in U13 in ODP. Why would she repeat U13 again makes no sense the model is not to repeat to but to either skip a year of play up.
And Once again the prefix "Pre" is a marketing tool. As you can see there is no U13 ECNL teams this year on the ECNL website which I truly follow when it comes to ECNL information. All the "Pre-U13" teams play in the Northeast NPL league and what they did was just sectioned off "Pre-ECNL" Teams into different bracket.
Not totally true. ECNL now requires ECNL activity at U12 and U13.
1212 Please send us a link from the ECNL website that states U12/U13 activity, are you just getting info from the club environment only. Sorry the word "Pre" is a marketing spool. At least PDA doesn't market it like that their true ECNL teams start at U15 their current "Pre U13 team is currently the Galaxy team" and U14 is the Storm team with some girls called up from Shore and South that will make the U15ECNL next year.
ECNL, will go down as one of the greatest profit inventions of all time. Like henry ford and general electric, that thing just cranks out the profits!! I wish my Vanguard mutual fund would invest in it. I'm sure one day it will collapse, until then, all hail ecnl!
125 Agreed and great post! Totally agree with the blogger of "Pre" being a marketing tool. The best Non-Profit business around I can see the "ECNL" Stock Ticker now. Also it's great to have life back on this blog got tired of reading U12's to follow where my daughter will fall into next year.
ECNL starts at U14 not U15. Believe what you want, but U13 and U12 teams from all ECNL clubs are now required to do some ECNL events. The ECNL clubs in NJ are by far the two best clubs in the state, and to argue otherwise is silly.
427 Keep believing the dream there are still plenty of strong teams in NJ PDA Galaxy ECNL is great but they have no competition in there current league. EDP league has plenty of stronger teams vs your so called Best of the Best U13 Pre-ECNL League. Oh Matchfit is not a strong team at this age.
What's the difference for the ECNl u12 and u13 being "pre" if they are playing the same schedule as the "real" ECNL? I have no idea, my daughter isn't on an ECNL (or pre ECNL team). I keep seeing this argument over and over and I don't even understand if the argument matters. If your kid plays for PDA Galaxy (or even MF) and that's where they want to be, what's the difference?My daughter is a 2003 and I'm trying to weigh all my options and reading this board as well as the u12 makes me more confused sometimes.
Completely disagree. ECNL does have some of the best teams in their NPL league. FC Stars, Penn Fusion, Albertson, PDA Galaxy, There are teams like Rush that are very strong outside of ECNL, but that is good for everyone. NJ recently represented very strong on the HS All American team and represents very strong on the WNT. We should be thrilled that there is so much talent in this corridor, so many good teams and options. But to say PDA galaxy has no competition is just silly. They are just that good. They would dominate in any of the leagues. I am 100% not a PDA parent but have watched that team play many times. They are the crown jewel of PDA right now. At this age, no one should judge or negatively comment, there are a lot of solid teams all around and that provides players with many options. It is still about development and the best players today may not be the best players tomorrow. Kids mature at different rates. Any experienced coach/parent should know that. So there will continue to be shuffling, especially with the calendar year change next year. So instead of putting teams or leagues down, just enjoy watching your daughters play the beautiful game.
946 it seems you have drank the cool-aid also! Agree NJ is very well represented but the ECNL league does not truly matter until U15. All the Pre-ECNL marketing that clubs do is to attract more players now and like you said each player develops at different rates so to save money, playing in a Non-ECNL environment with less travel for single games, and more tournaments plus the addition of doing State Cup and winter activities built into the budget is more than enough for a U12'04 / U13'03 player.
I'm sorry but I do a agree PDA Galaxy is a good team but realistically who have they really played this current fall season at league play. Outside of PennF in there league I think all those other teams in their Pre-ECNL league are not comparable to SDFC, Both Rush teams, STA, HMMS in the EDP league so I would say that league is currently stronger. So maybe at U14/U15 things change but at this current stage the competition is very favorable to Galaxy. It's really doing an in-justice that the better teams are not playing the better teams until they see each other in tournaments and that's not even a given. I guess that's the world someone put in place to keep restricted clubs from playing other high level clubs outside their privately setup system.
The Eastern PA ODP tryouts finish up this Sunday. I'm wondering how many girls in the 2002 and 2003 age group will continue to do ODP? Many in this group are on high level club teams where the competition at club practice is better than ODP competition. What is everyone thinking with this?How is NJ ODP?
Galaxy have had more competitive games this fall than against SDFC who they dispatched 3 zip. NE NPL Pre ECNL flight has better teams than EDP and that margin will grow every year from here.
Eastern PA ODP talent is spread out in so many different clubs with 3 ECNL clubs within a 1-2 hour drive amongst each other also contributing are other strong clubs West of Eastern PA like HMMS, PA Classics, Penn Legacy, Penn United along with the players coming from North like Lehigh Valley, YMS, Ukrainian. The talent pool is spread all over leaving a very diluted area of teams. Their ODP still brings in talent from all those teams even Pre-ECNL players still do it, leaving good competition base at tryouts and training sessions. Players visibly displayed as you can look on Eastern PA ODP and see the names of players selected so far. You will see many PennF kids on that list. Sorry I got no info on NJ.
Galaxy didn't do State Cup, did not participate in a tournament since FC Stars, wont be at Bethesda, next time anyone see's them is in there own Non-GotSoccer Points tournament in Spring. Yeah there really seeing competition!
2:22 - And all the other PDA bashers, maybe PDA just truly doesn't care about WINNING, but about DEVELOPING. Who cares if you are good at U13? My DD team played them this year and PDA has very talented group of girls, with every player having significant skill. Because of their large numbers of talented players, their training sessions are probably awesome. These kids are getting exactly what they need to become better players at their training sessions. Maybe they just don't need their teams to win tournaments so they can pound their chests.
3:11 - @12 years old the fun of trying to win a state cup, getting rank in GS is a better sensation than grouping a bunch of talented girls together and trying to win a roster spot to stay on the team in the future. But again half those girls will not be on that team come U16/U17 anyway. So I'll wait it out till then if she is capable and still as strong of a player still as for now I'm letting my daughter enjoy her upcoming years of soccer without the spending $$$ and travel distance for a 1 or 2 games. Again maybe I'm wrong and hopefully PDA becomes the almighty best team in nation every girl on the team makes the U.S. national team. There are just as many good trainers out there.
There is no talk about State Cup, because all the parents who talk so much ish, their kids aren't participating in it. There are other age groups and boys teams as well from PDA that are participating. Do you really think PDA would get pull of good players if all their teams lose in state cup? Galaxy lost to Rush Blue in US Club State cup final.
501 Exactly my point moving away from competitive environment as team to me is the preventative work of getting bad publicity and marketing if they lose. SDFC beat them in 1 game last year as well during league play, so to say they are seeing better competition in their current league is horse S*it. Matchfit is the same why not say yes to scrimmages or join state cup is it due to the embarrassment of playing State Cup as you know they are not a quality team at this age group. I hope people see my point their is time and reason to move to ECNL league at the older ages if your kid needs the additional exposure but to steer away from playing good quality teams in your current home state at this age is just wrong.
No actually , I don't see your point. You mean the club that gets their own commercial during the world cup and has been voted the best female club in the country amongst all the elite clubs in the country is afraid to play local because of bad publicity?How about something a lot simpler than this. They feel the clubs in NJ are an inferior product and adds no value at all to their objectives except for the occasional scrimmages that they set up against strong competition to further their goal. No ? yeah maybe you're right they are just a afraid that a loss by one of their young teams will just destroy their brand.
Yes 4:22. You are wrong!
who do you think pays for that commercial? Ever think about that?
Um Nike pays for the commercial
NJYS State Cup Semis/Final this weekend. Let's see who makes it to the Championship game. NJ Wildcats, don't think they can do it, maybe good effort though.
Seriously? This is a soccer forum and Nike Can't be gently criticized for its marketing tactics to children?
And they are not the only sports gear manufacturer targeting kids. It is a legitimate conversation.
And the comment was critical of the parent for being easy target, not the company anyway.
Nike is all about profits and cash. PDA is all about profits and cash. Both super high quality. Both amazing talents. But Nike's shoes dont make the player. and PDA doesn't make the player. PDA has great kids because of PDA, but lots of greater trainers and development programs out there. My U16's best pal plays PDA and her PDA friends are always looking for supplemental training.PDA parents, before you get your undies in a twist, you have great kids, its a powerful force and most out there could not play at the level. But it's not your coaches. It wasn't Michael's Air Jordans. It wasn't his coach. It was MJ.
Agree that natural born talent and drive contribute much more than any shoe or a soccer club ever can. But I think PDA and all the other quality soccer training organizations do more to make the player more than any brand of cleat or shin guard. Nike uses a marketing juggernaut to make customers think their product makes a difference when it is the least important factor involved.
If your child is on a top team that is at a competing level with PDA's top team/teams, no reason to change teams. But, later on if your child still has interest in soccer and continues with her high level of play, and her current team loses players to injury/loss of interest ect. which may cause the level of play to drop if the team can not recruit equal talent, then look to move teams so your child can continue to compete at that high level. Don't worry about ECNL/NPL labels., just look at the NE NPL teams that are playing. Do you really think there is a benefit to PDA's South NPL and PDA's North NPL team to be competing with very weak teams when they used to compete against those clubs top teams and not their second teams? They would have been better off competing with the top talent in EDP and traveling a lot less. Just saying.
225 Total agree PDA's NPL teams are not getting any benefit in playing in that league I would of like to see them back in the EDP league and state cup games to continue a higher level of play. We are now facing B and C teams of those clubs which feels like a waste of $ and travel. At least the PDA teams may see other teams in the NPL championship rounds next year.
It was not a secret what NPL league the ECNL clubs play in. If a player does not want to compete in that league, they wold not join those teams.
@225. Completely agree. Ne npl has varying amounts of competition. Some type of crossover to other leagues would be beneficial. Further, the amount of travel is unnecessary when there are So many good soccer teams in nj
740 Not just NJ in surrounding areas in NY and PA as well. Traveling to the New England areas for non-meaningful games at 12 years old is a joke, but then again the powers to be know better and prefer their kids sit in cars for 3+ hour drives before games.
Agree 3 hours to a soccer game is a waste of time. But that said, why did you join a team that plays in a league where is it is required to travel 3 hours to a game? Stop complaining and pay attention to the team you are joining and if you don't want to travel 3 hours to a game, do not join a team that travels 3 hours to a game. You sound like half the parents on the team I have to administrate and that is only metro area.
1159 Not complaining and not one the suckers that fell into that $$$ Trap. But to look at it as a different perspective most teams in the Northeast NPL league travel 3+ hours not just for 1 game but for 2 one on Saturday and another on Sunday. So they are traveling, staying over 2 nights(Friday & Saturday), and playing a game on Saturday and Sunday. Agree what a waste of $$$ but then again your right why join the team?
Someone looked around and saw a big opportunity. A large market of ultra competitive parents, with ultra large bank accounts, and apparently plenty of time available to drive around New England and play soccer. The NENPL was born.
A great American once said "Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate"
really no hate. A kinder description might be that that is a high end luxury product and if it is your time and dollar budget, go for it. Analysis of the market for this product is not hate, it is analysis.
Any thought's on the upcoming Bethesda Tourney?
Yes. After keeping their distance, the next two weekends present the potential to see NJ Rush v. Rush match ups. The head to head meeting is more likely in State Cup than Bethesda, but the potential is there at Bethesda.
With respect to next year's age groups, this from the EPYSA website posted yesterday:To calculate the proper year for a player, take the ending year of the seasonal year and subtract the player’s birth year.Example: 2017 – 2002 = 15; the player is a U15 for the 2016-17 seasonTherefore, end of year 2002s currently playing U13 during the 2015-2016 season will jump to U15 for the 2016-2017 season. A possible silver lining is that they will start playing showcases as 8th graders and may get early looks from colleges.
Yes but that silver lining means for those players born towards the end of the '02 year need to compete for rosters spots against girls that are in high school and currently playing U14. Big difference playing with batch of 6th/7th graders this year vs. playing against 8th/Freshman year players. The Reigns are over for those player's born end of 02 and dominated the 03's the past several years, now my daughter reaps the benefits and becomes the older class of 03's. Change is good!
Very few if any 2002s currently at U14 and playing high school. Older 2002s are for the most part currently 8th graders and will just be entering 9th grade at the start of the 2016-2017 season. For those older 2002s who decide to try-out for and make their high school team, they likely will not be playing with their club in the fall of 2016. The younger 2002s still in eighth grade may not have a fall club season to be a part of in the fall of 2016 unless leagues add full U15 play.
It's all real sad... Feel bad for both. The 2003 will just be doing a repeat... Preecnl again. Coach not caring much. Mine is a 2003. Not sure what to expect.
No 2003's move to U14, 2002's move as U15's next year. no repeat.
If you go to the US Youth Web site, and click on the administrators > bylaws and policies link:http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/aboutus/DownloadCenter/?CategoryId=124it states that "2003" are "U14" during "2016-2017" seasonit clearly is different than the one that was floating by a month ago, whch would place "2003" at U13 during the 2016-2017 season
NJ State Cup Champs. Rage/Rush!
Score please on the Rush v. Rush game. NJYS has not yet posted.
Rage, 7 0
Rage maybe for this u11 to 13 range of time the best team out there. Not sure there is a top team they haven't beat. Maybe some hiccups when they first went full sided after staying small sided for so long. But since, just playing great soccer. Great kids. Great coach. They just love playing together and the results show!
9:12pm spoken like a true RAGE Rush parent
Just like many NJ teams in the past that dominated within the state, it's the big teams in the regions they will have trouble with, Bethesda will be a major test for many of those NJ teams, but good for them for competing at high level.
According to the chart on the EPYSA website. my daughter will miss U11. She's currently playing U10 and is a Sept baby. According to the chart next Fall (2016-17). You would take 2017- 2005 = U12. This is crazy
Since starting U13 play, Rage Rush is 12-0-1 against teams outside of NJ, including wins over PF, HMMS, and Pipeline. I think Rage Rush knows how to play with the big girls. What will be interesting to see is what happens to them with the age change and lure of ECNL.
914 Yes you are correct any child born Aug.- Dec. will eventually skip a year of eligibility. It's seems ironic as those girls born in those months benefited from being the older end of the current system and now will be the younger end of the new system. The age shift will benefit kids born Jan.-May as those kids will now be older and mostly likely a grade older as well. I wouldn't consider PF, HMMS, Pipeline near the tops in the region plus their are plenty of teams from Main down to Virginia that many of us have not seen at 11v11 yet but congrats to NJ Rush for having two teams in the NJ Cup finals. PDA/MatchFit what are you scared off getting lonely in those private country club style leagues.
Rage rush has already lost to PDA South and HMMS this Fall.
11:19 - I only see 1 loss since the beginning of August for Rage Rush - to PDA South and I believe that was in PKs. They beat HMMS 3-0 this fall.
10:29 "I wouldn't consider PF, HMMS, Pipeline near the tops in the region" What are you smoking? If not PF and HMMS - who would you say are near the top in the region? Both are definitely regional-level teams. We are talking about U13, right?
And obviously including NJ Rage/Rush in the top regional teams list.
Region One Top 10 by GS:Rage RushHMMSPipelineSTA MorrisPDA Shore WavePDA GalaxyGPS-MARush GreySDFCPHWMRegion One Top 10 by Youth Soccer Rankings USA:PDA Pre-ECNLRage RushFC StarsHMMSPDA North CrewPipelinePDA South NovaSouth ShoreSDFCNorthern SteelBethesda F1:GPS-MAHMMSRush GreyPipelineRage RushOP FirePFPHWM
Sorry I follow GS it's not perfect but it gives some type of results, and for NJ to have 6 teams in the Top 10 in the Region shows a lot. But keep in mind many teams outside of NJ, PA are just turning 11v11 at U13. Especially down south in Virginia, Maryland etc. So it will be interesting if the Rage/Rush and other NJ teams can maintain there pace.
With the Birth Year changeover how are the Rush teams going to do in 2016-17? The U12s currently aren't strong and the 14s are just ok. Should be interesting to see if they merge the talent on their current 13s teams or keep things as is and hope for the best when playing against teams who do change to birth year.
Seems like this blog has picked up steam again! It has been awfully silent on here for much of the summer and fall.
Rush is similar to every other good team, heavily weighted with 2002 girls. They will be u15 next year.
7:28 Doesn't that go for any good team so what are you going to say next year if Rush keeps the 03 girls down and play U14 is your next comment they are heavily weighted with Girls born Jan-May of 03. Come on! Just give credit where credit is due.
I'm not Rush Rage, but frankly you Rush Rage parents should just ignore the haters up here. You have a wonderful team, great girls who are respectful of the game, and play it hard and well. If parents up here can't appreciate that you have a great squad with great kids, and enjoy cheering you on other than when playing you, then just ignore those non-soccer, mudslinger folks. PDA has a great squad. MANY great squads some a little better than others, maybe its one player, maybe its a few. Lots of amazing soccer here in NJ folks!! stop hating, and just love that there is so much great competition for the girls to enjoy!
Sure your not. Please, you have a decent team/club at this age group, but I'm not sure I see anyone saying anything negative about rage/rush. I see one comment about 2002 age and saying the same thing about other top teams.
Stinks that most of the top players will have to skip a year and play u15 next year. Every team will be completely different.
WC w info on the calendar yr change..As we previously communicated, World Class FC will be implementing the new calendar year registration mandates from the U.S. Soccer Federation starting with teams formed for the Fall 2016 / Spring 2017 season (there is no impact to our current teams playing in Spring 2016). In the past weeks, there have been some interpretative changes in how competition age groups are labeled, and potentially the effect these changes will have once calendar-year registration is introduced on Aug. 1, 2016.We understand that there are significant questions being raised from parents and players about intent, implementation and resulting effect of various positions and changes.World Class FC is in extensive dialogue with all of the laeagues we participate in (US Soccer Academy, ECNL, NPL, EDP, Northern Counties, etc.) and with the U.S. Soccer Federation regarding these changes. We hope to have clear and concise responses to all questions in the coming weeks. Once we have clarity on the issues we will host a series of information sessions at the clubhouse and communicate exactly what the appropriate age group labels will be and the implementation plan across all age groups. With 2-3 teams in each group on the boys and girls side from U8 to U18, World Class FC is one of the few clubs in our region that has the depth of player pool to make an effective transition. Keep in mind, this change is mandated by U.S. Soccer so all clubs in the United States are required to adopt these mandates. Thank you for your patience.
Wow- great of WC to actually proactively communicate. Even though things are still somewhat in flux, acknowledging the change and that they don't have all of the answers yet is great.
How is it in flux? It's happening. They probably just want to clarify a few things.
US Club Soccer sent around a mass broadcast email 2 days ago. WC basically just copied and pasted the same text. so dont presume they took the initiative on anything. US Soccer is considering pushing it back to the originally scheduled August 2017. Thats the flux.
Why so angry man?
You all in favor or against the newly proposed header rules? granted, it probably wont impact our age group. But curious how you all come off on it.I'm all for it. I think it could improve the game let alone minimize potential head injuries.
I think the new header rules are great. i also don't understand why clubs don't mandate concussion head gear. Even though there are questions on the effectiveness of the head gear, if it helps even the slightest bit against concussions, who is it not worth it?
Some people feel that headgear could encourage rougher play. It gives the person wearing it a false sense of invincibility. For example, if trying to head during a corner kick, you could really put yourself in harms ways as the goalie comes out to punch the ball.
Many concussions are not even the result on the blunt force impact of the ball, but rather from the whiplash effect of the brain sloshing around inside the skull. Strengthening the neck muscles to help prevent the head from rocking back and forth, especially in pre-teen and adolescent girls, may have a much better concussion prevention result than headgear.
Bethesda Tournament - Where does the money go?Poor field surface - literally a horse pasture;Poor field markings - lines looked like they were laid down in Sept;Poor facilities - No porta-pots on the first day;Poor officiating - Bad calls all around.All in all, the tournament was managed not much better than a rec friendly.
I'm confused according to US Youth Soccer, the 02s will be U14 for the 2016-17 season. See link:https://usys-assets.ae-admin.com/assets/1/15/USSoccerMandate-2015-16-to-2016-17-by-age-group-team-transistion-chart.pdfAnd according to US Soccer the 02s will be U15 for the 2016-17 season. See link:https://usys-assets.ae-admin.com/assets/1/15/US%20Soccer%20Birth%20Year%20and%20Season%20Matrix.pdfCan somebody please clarify this for me. Are the 02s going to be U14 next year? or are they going to skip one year and go to U15?Thank you!!!
@1:09 yes indeed. It was terrible.
Rage plays a lot of soccer and plays good, but can't win any of the hard ones. Stars, delco, spirit, PDA and now Bethesda.
Seriously 635 you have to come on here and mock a team your jealous of. You must be a team that just played them at Bethesda well take a step back and worry about your own daughter's U13 team. Also to what I see they smoke Penn Fusion and that was the so called next up and coming team. lol
@536. I'm confused as well. Nothing makes sense anymore. 2 different charts? I always thought 03' would be a U13 again next fall but this doesnt seem to be the case. Not even sure if all these leagues - like norther counties,jags, edp, etc are going to implement this fall of 16 or going to wait til fall of 17'
age change is going into affect across the board next year - there is no indication from US Soccer otherwise and all clubs are planning and communicating this to the parentsnot sure why anyone is debating this if there is some communication otherwise, please share a link
yes, 9:47, there were two communiques over the last 3 weeks, one from US Club saying basically they need to sort some stuff out, they dont have answers to questions, they have to figure out how these changes truly impact things and then they can address it. It was a major about face. and there was a second from USYS same lines.
The Age impact really affects kids born from Aug - Dec as many of these kids are the older end of the pyramid from the current carding system. With the New system they fall as the younger kids as many of the Jan-Aug kids are playing a year up. It's not an age shift it's a re-alignment to help the identification process and match kids into ID programs that do things by year like ODP, ID2, US development. Yes it hurts me to say this will steer many kids away from the sport at the younger ages and as kids will no longer be aligned more closely to the school calendar years. Sorry but this is a worst change in Youth Athletics in the U.S. history. Boys development academy has been this calendar year process for years and look where our Men's U.S. national is comparable to the world, makes you think is truly the right way.
@10:46 i would argue your point - i am not sure why a re-alignemt would push kids out of the sport? that makes zero sense to me. Because some kids might go from being the oldest to the younger half of the age group? that isn't a reason for kids to quit the sport or not play at all. My daughter plays U13 now and about half of her team is in the 8th grade and the other half is in 7th grade, so I do not see a grade alignment now anyway. It will never be perfect.And to answer the question as to why US Mens soccer is not comparable is really very simple - it is not and has not been an integral part of our culture - the best US athletes play other sports not soccer - if the best athletes in the US played soccer the US would most likely be one of the best in the world. I also think that our programs have been very behind and the younger age groups are actually learning how to play possesion soccer vs kick and run.
It's really only the last three months, oct, nov and dec that will be playing a grade up. Aug and sept should be playing age appropriate anyway.
2002s will be U15. Same as ODP and the YNT. The person who made that first chart should be shot. This is the best I have seen:http://www.ussoccer.com/coaching-education/resources/2015-player-development-initiativesScroll down. it's really irrelevant. 2002s play together.
I think what's wrong with US Soccer are the folks in charge come up with this equation, found at the top of the birthyear chart. Looks more like common core math to me - "2018 - U7 = 2011" HUH?????Should it not be SeasonYearEnding-Birthyear = Ux (ie 2018-2011=U7.I don't know.Dazed and confused.To simplify - your child plays with kids born in the same year or your child is playing a year up. Its pretty simple, let your manager get you into the right league and age bracket.
Does anyone know what the next step is for us national training center? My daughter continues to get invited back and it looks like the field is getting smaller, but hard to tell for sure. They group the 2002/2001 together and I have heard rumors about a combine camp that is the best end result, but have not heard directly. I do recognize a lot of PDA girls and at least one from rage, so I assume these girls will all be playing u15 next year as well.
What about the 2003 kids?
They will keep calling back certain kids. They already know whose going to move on. Unfortunately to them the 2003 year means nothing. Just some extra training.
If your daughter is an 02 and hasn't been invited to a National Team Camp chances are they won't be. 02s have already been invited to the U15 Nationa Team Camp.
Agree their are many 02's in ID2 and Region 1 pool as well they are looking at, this is pretty much the last year for 02's for U.S. Training centers as they will age out. It's a shame as many girls do not blossom until mid-HS years. Another incorrect method our National team is doing.
Age out at 13? Why? At what age does the process begin?
Yes 01 is the last year for this cycle starting next fall 02's will be in the final cycle for training centers. But we'll see as many will be playing HS or will moved many 02's will be U15 per the calendar year so who knows they may adjust it and say this spring will be the last of the 02/01 cycle. Next it will be 03/04's. Hey like I said it's free training 6 to 8 times a year even though there goal is to pull for the national level.
Why is that the age at which soccer talent is evaluated. Why not younger or older? Honest question.
with my oldest player (u13) a lot of changes this year with certain players rising up and becoming standouts, and at least one former star fading a bit. Seems like a volatile age to assess.
Agree many girls are just maturing now and when they hit HS things can take a turn. This is what is truly wrong with the system we look for early blossoming players and forget about that there many girls that are still blossoming. Sorry to say but even though I feel ODP is an old and expensive program it still catches many girls later down the line. If you look closely many of the U20's to current WNT have gone through it.
Maybe the purpose of the US Training Center is more to access the overall talent and soccer IQ that the different regions of the country are producing? Even a way to judge the overall coaches in a region by the output of the Training Centers?There is just so much growth that needs to occur for a standout player at U13 to be a standout player at age 20. When US Training Centers end they move to other systems such as iD2 and PDP which is through US Club Soccer. They scout NPL, ECNL, etc. They are also scouting the Division 1 college tournament for standout players and the NWSL.
Just to be clear because there's some bad info flowing here:Current U15G National Team is scouting and targeting 2001 players, but they occasionally invite an 02. In 2016 the target year will be 2002 girls.If you have an 01G that hasn't gotten a National event "call up" you've missed the US Soccer Centers window for identification and will be cycled out of their program when US Soccer Centers recalibrates their groups in July 2016. As stated by someone else, if you are a 2001 and have National Team aspirations there are still other avenues like PDP, college and ODP after you "age-out" of US Soccer Centers...... but those avenues are not for U15.US Soccer Center is for starting the process and only focuses on filling the U15 pool. Starting January of 2016 the U15G National Team will be targeting 2002 girls.Current US Soccer Centers groups are 2003-2004 in the early session and 2001-2002 in the late session. Come July of 2016 US Soccer Centers grouping will be 2005-2004 in their early sessions and 2002-2003 in the later session, which means the 2002's still have a good 18-20 months in the program.(now thru July 2017).and there are 12 sessions each year, not 6-8(1 each month)
what is an early session and a late session? Is there a link to how this process works somewhere?
early trains 5:00-6:30, late trains 6:30-8:00two groups training at different times on the same day that's all2003's and 2004's(5:00-6:30) then 2002's and 2001's(6:30-8:00)
How does one even get into the US Soccer Centers? My daughter's team is a top level F1 team that has built an impressive resume of competition and championships, and that has pretty much stayed intact since U9. Not one player has ever been invited anywhere, although one or two have tried out for ODP.
Those centers are a way for the ECNL Clubs to poach players with player to player interaction as you can see if you attend them the # of PDA players there. Sorry but look at each one that is ran NY, NJ, PA and look who the trainers are.
Why does us soccer allow these ECNL clubs to corrupt the selection process like that?
If PDA is trying to poach players, why would they have so many of their own players there. I'm not sure this is true, just trying to understand your point.As for the person who said their team is F1 and no player has ever been asked, how would you know? And if it's a ploy to poach players, wouldn't your team be a prime target?
PF uses promises of US training as a way to recruit players as well
I thought 4:42 meant that PDA uses their cozy relationship with US soccer to "poach" or attract players to PDA.
The clubs in question do both
8:38 - I will rephrase: To the best of my and my daughter's knowledge, information and belief, no one has ever accepted an invitation. The girls all know who is doing what. Yes, you would think the team would be a prime target, which highlights the fact that the system is more about "brands" and who you know, than what you can do.
Any coach can make recommendation for invite - they just need to make sure the player is the real deal.The reality is being on PDA is a disadvantage for getting an recommendation - they only select the top three or four per age year. There are many others that are much stronger than other girls who get invites - but because there are so many at PDA and other Ecnl clubs that are strong - very select few get the nod. Everything needs to get final approval from doc - coaches can only recommend at PDA, MF and WC.
There is definitely a very wide representation. Most girls don't know each other, there is very little interaction between players. All the girls are cordial to each other, but for the most part they are all strangers and the limited time and the format doesn't really encourage interaction. I've recognized players from at least 8 clubs and I don't recognize most players. Some girls my daughter has faced many times over the years stand out and are recognizable.It's fun to watch the skill level at these sessions. NJ is definitely loaded with talent.
10:09I agree. The talent level is sky high and the format is as fair as any talent identification process can ever be. There may be players that don't get invites when they are warranted, but there will always be some element of that. US Soccer reaches out to as many clubs as possible to get recommendations, but not every club has the capacity to accurately assess their own talent and every club doesn't have proper DOC structures in place. Add to that, the know it all coaches that don't want to see players train elsewhere for whatever reason. Put it all together and you get some cracks in a great plan.Here's the key: in each birth year they will probably get a chance to train and evaluate the top 100 players from each state where a center is set up. That 100 number is simply my estimate based on the number of players that come into and get cycled out of the program over the few eligible years each birth year has. Very few players(maybe 20% - again, my guess) will participate in the program from the time they enter until they AGE OUT. The ones that are capable of staying that long are the ones US Soccer feels might have NATIONAL team potential. They are not interested in simply having the best players in attendance. They are more interested in keeping and developing players that have the technical, tactical and mental characteristics which may at some point land them in the national pool. Those guys are sophisticated in their player evaluation methodologies. They are called upon by US Women's Soccer to look for certain things and develop certain things in players and they are very open about communicating that to parents and players. There's a huge difference between a great player and a great player that can meet the standards of the US Women's National team.Also, my kids have played ODP and done US Soccer Centers. US Soccer Centers is by far the better program. Those on this board pointing towards outside influences, poaching etc are absolutely clueless. The program is literally free of monetary influences. If there are more players from one club or another it's simply because the talent dictates it that way. I've seen many PDA players cycled in and out just like other clubs, so that's a farce too. For the record, my daughter is NOT from PDA. Yeah, they might get more players introduced to the program(duh, they're a top program in the state and country), but once they are there they are weeded through just like everyone else.
They see only 100 players from each an entire birth year in a state the size of NJ? Is that true?
100 doesn't sound like a bad number. Think of it this way, it comes down to about the top 2-3 players on the top 30-40 teams. Honestly, there aren't that many NATIONAL level players out there in NJ. Again, not state level or regional level - NATIONAL level! That's what they're looking for. Sending state level players to US Soccer Centers isn't the goal. It's a quality over quantity approach.
Don't see how by 11 or 12 the most competitive players can be assumed to have migrated to only 30 or 40 teams. I wonder if they even look at 40 teams to get 100.And a top team of 11 and 12 year olds means what exactly? They win a lot of youth soccer games? A deep roster of good players can do that without one stand out at that age.
System seems likely to find some great players and as likely to miss some.
Take your time, parentsIf at U-11, 12, even 13 and your kid hasnt blossomed yet, stick with the program - have her work harder with the skills rather than get discouragedThere is an amazing thing called a growth spurt - and this could be emotional, psychological as well as physical.The best players at 11 are often not the same as the best at 15.Work the program, have patience - even with these invites. Stay with a coach you believe in, even if you havent been so honored with a special invite - or even 50-60 minutes a game just yet.enjoy the ride....
Just to build on 10:54. There is no one right way to navigate this process. Each parent needs to evaluate the relevant options with their child's needs in mind. The most important thing at this age is that the kid keeps playing and enjoying themselves. Those are the two biggest factors to ensure development. Not the only factors, but the big two.
Yes. The goal is to enjoy the game and the ride. As far as identification of players goes...If there was a more significant value in identifying the best very soccer players, the system would look different than it does today. The ultimate model I guess is on the boys side in countries where the clubs can cash in on the players talent. There they are motivated to find the best (boy) players available.t
If you look at the current U15 National Pool you can see that by next year they will already have chosen the next cycle and for all those that attend the Training Centers including my daughter it's just an extra session it's nearly impossible to make the national team without some of the other pieces of exposure in our region like ID2, PDP, ODP playing in the ECNL league. So it's a .01% chance out of the 100 you people mentioned on here. I total agree with 10:54 girls will change and grow and mature so who knows by U15 what and where they will be at physically and mentally, by then our daughters have already aged out of Training Center program. I do agree it is a way for higher level clubs to market how good there players are and attract others to their club as my daughter has been approach many times to come train with another club among chit chat among the girls. http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2015/11/10/13/57/151110-u15gnt-final-camp-of-2015 I only see from our region 1 NJ, 1 PA, 1 NY, 2 MD. Many players from CA and TX To me it's stupid to cutting the pool of players this much at U15 they still have 8 more years to play until they can actually be called up to U23 where it will mean a ton.
Everyone.. Also building on to a previously strong topic.. If your child likes where they are, keep them there. If your child is not happy where they are , move them. Even the biggest of teams are changing, especially with 2002 2003 changes. If your kid is enjoying soccer and not blossoming, that is fine. Give time. Long proccess. If you are worried about anything right now, relax , change is coming. Big changes have already happened in the past that have hurt teams, but soon everything will be different. new start ! Last season South Jersey Elite Baron #10 left.. hurt that team greatly. PDA Galaxy #16 left, hurt that team badly. SDFC players left, hurt that team. Teams are also getting better though. Next year every team will change for better or for worse. Your kid may fit in better, and if not maybe a change is needed! Enjoy time with your kids and don't waste it worrying.
November 27, 2015 at 3:17 PM amazing insight. just incredible. kids come, kids go, and as the kids get older and train more, they get better. incredible insight. a true analyst telling everyone their business. Sometimes its hot, sometimes its cold. the sun comes up and the sun goes down. one day you're happy, the next you're not. what insight!
3:17#16 from PDA made no difference , she was a non factor on that team .#10 from SJEB will be missed for her ball skills but definitely not for her bad attitude
4:50; I disagree with your opinions. #10 was aggressive, but made the difference and #16 was also a game changer. Both went to Penn Fusion.. I went to watch PDA Gal play Penn Fusion a few weeks back 1-0 PDA, but they were ultra dominated by Penn fusion, Mainly because of midfield duo that game, Barons10 and PDA16.. They work together. Scary to play! Pda goal was own goal I believe.
PF seemed to struggle at Bethesda
It is completely inappropriate to address specific players by name number position etc. that's a boundary that should not be crossed on this board.
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