Initial invites went out. Wait list invites could happen once the rejections come in
these are what refs should be most concerned about, safety of the players. cleats, shinguards, no jewelry, and securing the field. http://www.anchoredforsafety.org/incidents.htmlvery heart breaking , 39 deaths 57 serious injuries. In comparison, a ref missing an offsides is kind of immaterial.
Most of these deaths and injuries had to do with kids playing around on the goal not during games...
Why would anyone want to go to mf? There are so many better alternatives
Any scores this weekend's games?
MF Def. has good training and this is the year to start. Waiting until,your 15 is way too late.
new gotsoccer rankings just came out. they ranked ranked this u12 blog about 900 points higher than the U15 blogspot. Definately not a quality thing just quantity. Gotsoccer is a bit flawed that way, but we can feel really boastful and proud that somewhere on some list, we are at the top!! lets keep it up.
Rosters are never final. MFA is a great place, anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they are talking about. Lot of that here. So what the current U12 team is not great. By the time they are U14 15 months from now, they will have the first or 2nd best team in the state.
WOW! 10:13 you are dreaming!! The tryout turnout was embarrassing to say the least...good luck! MF is all screwed up. OPEN YOUR EYES and EARS!!
Wow, what is happening over at SJEB ? They are losing at least 3 players. 1 going to FC Bucks, 1 going to Penn Fusion. Don't know where other one is going but she is on the EPYS ODP lineup. I thought their coach was "the best in NJ " They were a very strong team.
Weekend game scores? I'm sure njx lost or they would have posted from parking lots.
MatchFit will draw talent give it time. Look at the older teams they end up being successful when parents realize they want the ECNL unless they are on a strong NPL team.
MatchFit at the older age gets worse big rosters 25+ unless your daughter is a starter you are wasting your money. They rotate the others for weekly games and even when they do suit up they may not play. You are spending LOTS of money to just be on MF??!!?!? Really!!! And rumor has it that they are in financial straits so there will be lots of changes coming; coaches leaving, etc.!!!
MatchFit is fine and if your unhappy because you are one the parents not getting playing time at the top level I think it's called a reality check movement now for your elder plauer.
Does anyone know how Cherry Hill did in State Cup?
CH lost in Semi.
MF lost on Friday night and won on Sat. Why do you care??? Get a life.... Your kid is 11/12........
Njx or mf b team, Maybe they care because they play in your same division and age group. And some teams don't update their scores. Njx always in attack response mode and always same bs about 11 and 12 year old girls. Nobody said anything about the girls, wake up, it's you they are talking about.
PDA Crew bests SDFC Rage
So got dear by both mf and pda b teams and Pda a team in last two weeks. This team is very average this year, had a few lucky games last year. Heard the good players are at tryouts for better teams.
Did you mean , so got beat?
"So got dear by both mf and pda b teams and Pda a team in last two weeks. This team is very average this year, had a few lucky games last year. Heard the good players are at tryouts for better teams"Do you realize you are a mental midget with no life? When you post your 3rd grade mentality posts, can you at least have an adult proof read them? Keep hiding behind your key board big boy.
Season is coming to an end, will there be a lot of player movement among the top teams in NJ? I'm assuming PDA teams will be picking additional talent as they have always done year over year as the girls get older. Did Galaxy/Nova/Crew/Shore pick up newer players?
Having been through tryouts for the previous four years, it seems tryouts start earlier and earlier every year. This is ruining the spring season for many families and teams. Are there any opinions or thoughts of the powers that be to move tryouts to early June or at least keep tryout decisions quiet until after the season?I have seen coaches miss treat kids that are leaving their teams. I have seen a lot of awkward feelings on the sidelines with parents, coaches and even the kids on the field and in practices. Kids that are not invited back stop showing up to practices and games. It is really an awful experience for all.
1248 I agree U.S. Club and USYS needs to put a starting date cap on tryout dates and expected roster locks. June is the right time to start tryouts since carding expires end of July. No need to have tryouts in April and beginning of May when half a spring season, state cup games and final tourney's are yet to be played. This past year has been awful for many teams since the winter season caused a late start then most teams jumped right into tryouts. Doesn't make sense.
its a bad cycle these early tryouts. the earlier people do tryouts, the earlier the next do. sometimes first to offer gets the player. snooze and lose. many teams give offers and need to know within 72 hours else they go to next on the list. thus if you like that squad, you have to advise them in quick order. I dont think US Club etc can police it. perhaps they could have a rule that no team can have formal tryouts held before a certain date though I think June 1 is too late. then, you can allow players to invite kids to practices though not a formal tryout process. thats not ideal either, kids who are on the bubble seeing new kids on their training fields taking up their coach's time and effort instead of that effort flowing itno those who are part of the team, paid their monies. But you could never really police having kids coming to practice just put a freeze on early tryouts. let the kids, teams, coaches, etc. enjoy their spring.
Quite Simple solution really. Tryout Weeks (2). No cross-practicing prior that. NPL and ECNL teams could certainly agree to something that simple. If your caught - you lose job as trainer/coach. As of now it's a complete cluster... for all involved or not involved in the process. I can't imagine coaches, players, or parents would say they enjoy the spring season once April comes along.
Some teams are holding preliminary tryouts for the following fall at the end of the previous fall season and into the winter.It is incredible.Parents are forced to play the tryout game as well. I've heard of several who have accepted offers and paid a small fee only to turn around and accept a position on another squad and walk away.Higher end academy teams already have contracts but the lower end teams are getting abused a bit. Contracts are going to have to become a normalcy for any higher end team. Might even have to trickle into towns that are running 'elite' type teams with 'pro' coaches.Well, if you like drama, youth soccer is an interesting place to be.
@ 4:04pm:Coaches use guest play at tournaments as a recruiting/evaluation tool anyway.Practices leading up to those tourney's would be requested.Loopholes will be abused. Haha
Bottom line you can't stop parents/players from moving anyway with or without tryout limits. It's part of youth organizations everywhere if you you and your child can't handle it than it's time to find and do something else. I bet the top 10 players on any team can care less.
"If you and your child can't handle it, find and do something else."That is really mean spirited and dismissive. Everyone on this blog loves the sport and are not going anywhere.
It's not mean spirited he/she is straight to a point. Yes everyone on here loves soccer but there comes a time and point when you and your daughter get tired of how girls come and go and how tryouts are handled. Then it might be time to just not place your child in that competitive environment anymore and find a team she can just have fun.
@5:29Kind of funny.You do realize this is a forum, right?My point being, you seem to be shutting down dialogue instead of promoting.I thought the convo was going in an interesting direction.Fun to discuss ideas. Even if they may be unrealistic.
Top 10 players do care as they see friends leaving their team. What if your daughter played on SJEB and are leaving to go to Penn Fusion. You think that is healthy for the team in the spring season when the top players are leaving? I have seen players that coaches were very loyal to, leave their team in the early spring and left the team with no goalie. You think that is teaching good lessons to kids. Face fact, 99% of these girls aren't going anywhere to play soccer after college, so aren't they supposed to learn life lessons from sports? what does leaving early do to the rest of the team? what does a top girl leaving do to morale for the remainder of the season if she plays the spring season out? It is competitive sports, i get it, but team offers should not disrupt the commitment coaches and clubs have made to players and knowing someone is leaving in early spring is not in the best interest of anyone.
@917 I guess you know SJEB's not only losing one player then. Like the prior posts said parents/players will leave and go it doesn't matter with tryouts starting early or late. As they get older tryouts become meaningless for top level teams because they already know whom they will drop and pick up based on guess players practicing throughout the year. If your playing on a top level team morale will feel very low every spring as a coaches can't keep every parent/player happy. Even PDA loses out and gains year after year.
People should not point out specific teams or players when they do not know what they are talking about. Yes, SJEB players are leaving but all fulfilled their obligation to the team. The teams contract is mid May to mid May. The new team will start together this week. The team was all there for the last game on Saturday. Therefore none of the girls abandoned their time during the spring season. SJEB contract for that team has traditionally started the year with a summer season with a tournament on Memorial Day weekend.
Is the EDP Spring Season complete this weekend because I know there are several teams still finishing out the schedule. So for those teams that had players leave already do they still play to finish up league schedule.
Could be worse. Three players are on the move from the Penn Fusion team and we heard they are not allowed to play in the FC Delco Players Cup tournament this weekend.What kind of message is that?
Because PF already has brought in there newer players to attend it! Message sent if your leaving than why continue reason why some clubs start there new contract May to May. Where are those girls going now? A lot movement going on now.
That's an odd time to start/end a season. The rest of the world I believe works on the Club calendar.
And what do you consider a club calendar, tryout calendar, carding calendar etc. Many clubs use Memorial weekend as there cutoff date from old team to new team.There is no outline for calendars for youth soccer. I've heard many coaches in central U.S. even choose by birthdates.
US Club Soccer 8/1-7/31. What clubs use Memorial day?
Most contracts for Coaches are up after Memorial Day tournaments. While the US Soccer year is listed as going to 7/31 (which is really the birth year dates), I think we can all agree that new teams will start practicing immediately after the Memorial Day tournaments.Tryouts should occur in early June, right after Memorial Day tournaments and while school is still ongoing, so as not to have tryouts when folks might be on vacation.Some teams had tryouts in mid-April.Crazy.
I agree 1st 2 or 3 weeks in June. Then you have the whole month of Mid-June and the whole month of July to finalize rosters. I've seen posted tryouts as early as December for current squad to join into spring and summer. Makes no sense.
The SJEB 03' West Girls team is looking for a Keeper if anyone knows of any players looking. If interested, please contact firstname.lastname@example.org.Thanks
SJEB needs a goalie now how many players are they losing? I've only know of 2.
This is the current U11 going to be playing U12 in the Fall. Our current Keeper is moving on bc she wants more field time. Our Team picked up a few good players going into next Fall.
Question for you all, how do you get rid of a disaster parent, or help them become less of a disaster? So annoying.
Easy if the disaster parent has a child on the team that is on the top part of the roster it's the coach's responsibility to assist. If it is a parent with a child on the bottom part of the roster just ask them to leave.
Whos responsibility is it to ask them to leave? Another parent can't do that. The coach isn't always the one to do this. There are managers above him and owners above them. I had a problem where the environment was really bad. Everyone knew there was a problem but no one would take action, They ended up losing a lot of good players because several parents were out of control, yelling at refs, telling the coach what to do, coaching from the side lines, etc.
If this is the environment on a team then no wonder why good players left and it's going to time you should look as well. Parents set a tone for a team that is unacceptable.
We've been on the same team for the last 4 years and every other year a disaster parent shows their ugly face. once it was inbred, someone who developed ugly, and another it was a new addition. the coach misunderstands their kid and she is really far better than the coach believes and its favoritism or that he didnt see her amazing plays off the ball, or she hasnt hit her growth spurt yet all great excuses for a lack of performance and thus play minutes. whether inbred or new bad apple, it almost always stems from play minutes. and they just want to chew in your ear, and no matter how far you move away from them, they want to stand around the sidelines and annoy the living hell out of you, ruin your fun with the great parents on the team. emails and letters and phone calls trying to gain your support. support for what?! its soccer. your kid isn't playing well. she gets great attention and opportunity in training, but she struggles come game time. the coach treats her fairly, doesn't yell at her , gives her ideas and suggestions, but she plays a bit to a lot less than those who have figured it out. to bad mouth our coach, and make everyone miserable? Leave!!! Please!!!
Maybe it's time for you to leave and just listen to the Southwest Commercial "Gotta Get Away". lol
8:25, This sounds so strange to me. So teams we may play next week, will be different than if we had played them this week? I know the two ECNL clubs don't operate this way, but you are saying most others do. Sorry to harp on this, just sounds so strange.
104 that's the norm now. Most clubs start new rosters after memorial weekend. Training and tournaments as the spring season is over. The PA ECNL/NPL clubs do this as well, but the NJ ECNL follow club carding since they are not in as much need to move kids around.
bad parents are just part of the landscape. not always the case, but with bad parents, usually there is a bad kid. not always, but usually. its the coach's job to deal with it.
What leagues end before Memorial Day? EDP/JAGS/ECNL/NPL do not.
EDP and Jags are scheduled at the coach's election so they very much can be wrapped up before the holiday. Many push to wrap up before the holiday so they can do touranments after the holiday with the upcoming fall roster.
Any thoughts for Delco Players Cup and EDP Spring Cup. NJ Rush will take the Spring Cup as for the Delco Players Cup could be up in the air.
Cricket, Cricket, Cricket
What is the Vegas line on the matches?Curious if they have any info on the tourney's this weekend.I heard that a player on the Rush just had a boyfriend break up with her and her head won't be in the game(s).I think a fixer got involved and paid the boy off.Hahahaha
Haha boyfriend effect, soon enough high school studies and tests, along with social activities, nagging injuries will take effect. Enjoy these great soccer games now because in a year or two some girls may have other priorities than soccer. Been through it with my eldest.
FC Delco Tourney - Rage wins the top flight with CH taking the next flight. Not sure why CH wasn't flighted in top bracket and no, not CH parent, just know they are better than half the teams in the top flight.
Good luck to all this weekend. We should update scores on here.
at 10:40 you my friend is a coward going on this stupid blog to cry grow a pair and talk to the parent .
11:21I don't agree with that at all. Parents wouldn't listen to other parents. It's the coaches responsibility to provide a safe, productive environment. If he is afraid to speak to the nightmare parent, he's failing the team and he is the coward.
@10:40 It's not their responsibility as a parent to have to grow a pair. It's up to the coach, or team manager. Parents are to lead by example, not act like immature school boys or girls. No good will come out of a confrontation.
Complaining to a coach or club just makes it worse for your daughter. Just go to a less competitive team why have your daughter be miserable or if you say she's being treated unfairly.
Very sad case if that's true. We're all paying a lot of $ to clubs and if they won't listen to their customers and try to work things out, they will eventually fail as a business.
Did West Chester add the new players this weekend already?
Very quiet blog! When does this change to U13?
Saw some updates on edp website and delco sites.Looks like MF NJX was beat badly by PDA. 5 nothing is a blow out in soccer.Also noticed the two rage teams didn't do to well over the weekend.This is why the blog is silent, when these teams lose, they hope no one notices, but when they win, the blog away...
Got my prediction half right - Rage lost but CH dominated their flight at FC Delco.
The Delco and EDP Spring Cup tourney will become 2nd tier tourney's in the next few years for this age group. You parent's will learn PDA's ECNL Showcase will outshine and will be the tourney to hit towards the end May eventually, my eldest daughter was there and it was a site of all good teams and players.
11:59 this is a 12 yr old blog, not 15-17 years. 3 years is a long time away. And obviously you weren't at EDP Cup - it was s huge event for 11-14 year olds with teams coming as far away as Virginia, MD, Texas, MA, CT, PA, NY, IL, Canada... Next time you might want to do your research before making generic statements.
141 What good teams at this age were at EDP Cup! NJ Rush that's it, all the top level teams were at Players Cup. Majority will go there again come next year then the following year will head to PDA Showcase. Just because teams come from all over doesn't necessarily mean it was good for a team that wants competition. Also PDA showcase start at U14 not 15-17 years, for all you non-ECNL we are just sharing info.
Lol. It depends on your definition of good. Teams with early success at younger ages often flip places with teams who took the time to develop their talent. I'm sure you noticed that phenomenon this weekend at the PDA showcase - for example the PDA teams did not do so well. Out of state clubs performed much better overall.
PDA is currently recruiting any player that did well at their tournament. By u18 they will have collected everyone else's talent. Hehe*insert Star Wars Darth Vader theme (Imperial March) here*
@11:16 you seem to be the only one that cares!! Just watch your daughter. They grow up quick.....
If only the kids wouldn't grow up so quick and loser parents like this tool fixated on girls soccer would grow up fast! Do you realize what a loser you are? Do you go in to work Monday morning and tell all your colleagues about the games over the weekend? Or at least your partner on the garbage truck?
@10:46Which commenter is the tool/loser?Just want to clarify.Not quite sure if we are all tool/losers for being on this blog or if just a select few?I will say that some of the posts are purely entertainment value but some are actually valuable information.I appreciate both kinds of comments!
Enjoy the Summer everyone! We will see everyone come fall. Don't let your girls meet boyfriends at the shore or pool this summer. lol Now that's entertaining.
Now the season has come to an official end for many teams which teams do many think improve and declined coming into the fall. Would like to know as my daughter has finally moved over to an academy team.
Are there academy teams for girls? I thought academy was boys only.
744 What does PDA and MFA stand for? lol
They're clubs that have a few boy academy teams but the rest are club teams. US academy Development teams for girls do not exist. Maybe in the future.
Academy, Premier, Elite it doesn't matter they are all institutions to train and develop kids so it's just a simple phrase.
These marketing words should not influence the decision of what is the best fit for your player. Evaluate based on cost, coach, location, team mates, level of play, level of commitment, etc. and make the best choice for your players circumstances.
1100 Exactly well said! At this age they are still learning.
They will be here next year and age group changes will happen too. Im not looking forward to this, will be disruptive to the age group.I believe it will only effect PDA, MF and WC, but some other clubs may follow. Will really hurt state cup, league and tournaments for the rest of us who would like to compete against them in future. We have until fall 2016, one more year together. Most ecnl teams will be gone anyway.
1142 What or whom are you referring too?
Why would it only effect some players and clubs? hat is the criteria for what players must adhere to what age cut offs?
What is girl's academy? You mean ECNL clubs? Why would those clubs want to jeoprodize the ECNL cash cow?
Unless you aren't 100% certain stop spreading rumors. If the age change happens, it will likely be 100% of teams not just a few. Most if this was reactionary with the the failures of the national teams from U17-to the USWNT last year. We win the World Cup, this all may go away. The age change I think is going to happen as all of the governing bodies support it. When you look at Rosters at this age they tend to be heavily over weighted to 2002 kids, so there may be far less disruption than people think. If anything it will lead to more kids playing up born early in the year.
Calendar year already impacts many players that do USSF programs, ODP, or identification programs like ID2 or EDP-TIP. At this age Girls born '02 are starting to realize at U12 they are playing against many U13 players at these programs. A so called dominating player can be productive player at U12 when they go to these identification programs but by going calendar year it opens up a new world of competition for them. Sometimes it's the opposite affect for the kids born on later dates for this group '03 who are brought down to play with U11's. If the identification programs are doing things by year it will eventually trickle down at some age group for the true academy clubs.
It's happening in 2016, they are not spreading rumors.
340 Send Link for proof.
East Meadow a ECNL club had there tryouts for Boy's NPL teams last week and it states right on the website the NPL boy's teams will be based on calendar year not carding or school year. So it's already starting for some clubs on the boys side it's a matter of time girls clubs follow suite. http://www.eastmeadowsoccer.com/TravelandAcademyTryouts/index_E.html
TSF starting to do it, Bergen bulldogs and some other clubs. I know TSF isn't doing the calendar yr thing for all age levels though.
Maximus in Fall....are they Arsenal? PLaying in EDP? Why no World Class? Been playing 8v8....what's the impact going to be going to 11 v 11? Has anyone left the team?
Bergen Bulldogs, who the hell are they? what leagues will these clubs play in and what will happen to tournaments in two years?Maybe soccer nut knows who joe t?
I assume being a 2003 will be an advantage going forward, or maybe not. If they do this in fall of next year, half the 2003 girls will be going to high school and the other half will be in 8th grade, that will work out well for the kids, clubs coaches and everyone else? I have heard this is happening too, but think it will screw a lot of things up.
@858. Most states run their school year by birth year. So most girls will b the same grade which makes recruiting much easier.
The SJEB '03 East girls team is looking to add 1-2 players for the upcoming 2015/2016 Fall and Spring U12 seasons.If interested, please contact: email@example.com to set up an evaluation or if you have any questions.
Go post on the U11 blog not going to attract any players here.
I thought the princeton I'd camp was for 8th grade and up?
It says 7th grade and up! Whom ever goes and pays $600 bucks let us know if your daughter either going to 7th or 8th is really looked at. lol Cash Cow camp.
Which top teams are moving to NPL play next season?I think SJEB are for sure since they have their top NPL team and then their EDP team which will play just EDP. Whatever teams are remaining in EDP will probably be weakened unless there are teams playing in both leagues.
Which NPL? North East or EDP
Actually, Looks like US Club/NPL directors just trying to keep exclusive clubs to the North East NPL.Twelve clubs from five states comprise the league:North Division:•Albertson SC (N.Y.)•Boston Breakers Academy (Mass.)•Connecticut FC (Conn.)•East Meadow SC (N.Y.)•FC Stars of Mass (Mass.)•FSA FC (Conn.) South Division:•Continental FC (Pa.)•FC Bucks (Pa.)•Match Fit Academy FC (N.J.)•PDA (N.J.)•Penn Fusion SA (Pa.)•World Class FC (N.Y.)Means all other top teams would have to compete in the EDP league of the NPL? Is that even going to be great competition for those top teams that play in that league?
Remember, for certain high level teams through USYS they have Region 1 Champions league in the Spring. There will be plenty of high level competition and other ways to earn a spot into future Region 1 National Championships ect.
Anyone from PDA - has PDA selected the next ecnl and npl teams in this age group?
Question:Why are there no State Cup Champions listed for MA? That is just one state that I noticed. Seems like NJ has so many in Region 1. MA teams in Region 1:http://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/results.aspx?Level=Regional&Gender=Girls&Age=12&Region=1&State=MA&Tier=&Search=&pos=1
Northeast NPL is only open to the ECNL clubs who created the Northeast NPL.
I wouldn't worry. By doing that they are also secluding those teams from playing the highest competitive teams as well. Just hope that whichever high level team your child plays on, that they have a good coach and manager to make sure your teams are getting challenged enough if that is what you are worried about. And regarding States with State cups, lots of states don't start State cup play until U13. So below U13 is not as much pressure with high level teams not all competing at Regions. Starting next year teams will really have to step it up because at U13 if you win Region 1 championship then you move onto Nationals. This year doesn't go anywhere and should be less pressure and less competition for those states that are in attendance.
Yes they seclude those teams but those high-mid level players on those teams will end up wanting to come over eventually if they are not getting the exposure later down the line.Parents have different agendas all the time: * The Parent that wants their daughter on a team that plays a lot games in leagues/tournaments * The Parent that wants their daughter on a team with high GS winning points * The Parent that wants their child to get exposure and finds clubs in ECNL. * The Parent with the simple town team playing with friends. Which parent are you and just be happy your daughter is still playing as this is the starting years where they fade and lose interest.
Northeast NPL is very low level competition at older ages. PDA shore teams, the newest PDA team, did not leave EDP to play in it. The PDA teams in it, cannot beat higher end town teams in NJ, and MF teams even worse. do your research before leaving a good town team to be a minion in the PDA or MF empire.
What happened to sj barons did many players leave already?
I heard that PDA Galaxy will be ECNL and Crew NPL at u14. Can anyone confirm?
ECNL: 1 team (Mostly Galaxy Players and call ups from Crew, Nova, Shore) Players can cross play anytime and some can be called down as well. PDA North & South: NPL EastPDA Crew & Shore: NPL EDPGreat Model to dominate this age group for some time until other players start moving over to better club teams.
@122 what is Pda North if not Pda Crew. and do you mean NE NPL or NY NPL.
What 1:22 is referring to is options PDA has, I doubt they join NY NPL, They will align there teams according to where the competition is, now if NY NPL has strong teams they may put PDA Shore there or at least PDA Crew but looking at the older PDA teams it doesn't follow that trend. It mostly goes how 122 stated look at U14's.
Welcome to the machine.
Machine. lol More like Revolving Door just keep drinking your Kool-Aid in the glass cylinder while it goes into circles because that's how things have changed in the past 5 years can only get worst the next 5 years.
10:57 that is incorrect. Northeast NPL is arguably the top NPL league in the country and by far the #2 league in NJ. PDA plays it's #2 and #3 teams in that league and right now they likely can't get the PDA shore teams in. MFA if they have a good enough #3 team they play 2 teams in that league. EDP/NPL is not as good a league. It's a good league, but clearly behind the Northeast NPL.
PDA North is the #2 team out of Zarepath, at this age PDA Crew. Little complex because the Northeast NPL has an ECNL division at U13. That division is not eligible for NPL national finals.
This is clearly all quite ridiculous. I just don't understand if a top 'town' team can compete and even beat a pre-ECNL team, why wouldn't they just play against each other in league play at U14 and beyond. All this 'exclusive' membership crap is BS regarding ECNL. I think it makes parents crazy thinking that, this is where I'm supposed to have my daughter play because it's the highest competition. Really? Highest? It really can't possibly be the highest, right? That is all under US Club soccer. What about what's under US Youth Soccer and all their leagues? They also provide 'the highest' right? I'm guessing that is the way to go or supplement the highest teams that don't belong to 'ECNL' clubs.Does anyone know of any older teams that aren't 'ECNL' that have outplayed the ECNL teams?
It's a luxury brand. Some find value in it and want to buy it. Plenty do not.
It's very rare for ECNL teams to play non ECNL teams. That does happen occassionally in a tournament. The big one in November comes to mind.
It's not ridiculous it's smart by forming an exclusive group for its college recruitment process it helps as the one stop to watch and focus on players they are interested in. This saves an abundance of cost for universities. Soccer doesn't have the funding that basketball and football has, so coaches really are on a strict budget when it comes to recruiting. Its the girls side of the MLS DA.I do agree that the exclusion process should not start until u15/u16 when it really matters at u13/u14 girls are still developing and learning the game so top teams should play top teams.
Call it a luxury brand if you want, but at least you know what you are buying.All the other start up clubs are charging the same or more in many cases. Look at clubs like sta, stallions, crush, sdfc, gfa, Bulldogs - they all charge more than PDA, MF, and WC. I believe the teams in the south charge less, but everything down there is less expensive.
Some clubs charge more because some teams have players on scholars and make up the difference among the other parents that are paying. This is a way to retain top players from moving to ECNL or to another competing club team.
The high-end cubs are luxury brands and then are value options available as well. Buy what you want and can afford. This is capitalism and if there is a product or service that can be monetized it will be. Youth sports are large business with many happy (and some unhappy) customers at different price points. It is not an easy business to succeed in but what business is? ECNL looks to be a successful model for the most part.
other clubs charge more because they offer more. Manys clubs offer 3 per week all year, others are 3 in fall, 2 in winter, spring. Some offer many tournaments, others offer 1 or 2 per season maximum. If a club is gouging or charging "too much" its to the tune of a hundred or two hundred dollars per player. It probably all comes out the same if one were to provide credits for extra or fewer sessions, tournaments.
ha ha someone posted this elsewhere, it was worth the laugn"(insert) (ECNL) works for some for the top 1 or 2 kids per team. For the rest, they are satisfying their egos. Mom and dad can tell all their facebook buddies that Little Mia plays in a special league. They flew at a cost of $3000.00 to Colorado or California to play a handful of matches. School work was put on hold for these life altering critical matchups. 30 college coaches prowled the sidelines and despite the player profile brochures and cdroms unfortunately their eyes only really fell on the top 2 or 3 standouts. Later, we got a letter saying that our standardized testing results weren't high enough. How unfair!!! Here we prioritized soccer above schoolwork, family, friends, and they are telling me that my Little Mia should have spent more time studying? Are we looking for soccer studs or rocket scientists? Its impossible to study when traveling 6 hours round trip for league league games, and I need a good 45 minutes to talk to Mia and prepare her for the game, to remind her how winning is important, but personal statistics are more important. Its a heart warming conversation, one that bonds me to my daughter.When she chose her college, she did though pass on a few schools which offered her like $2300 in financial aid helping to offset the $40,000 per year in tuition. Every dollar counts. I'm a doctor and investing is not my strong suit. But i saved like $15000 in tuition over the next 4 years with those scholarship monies. I got awesome bumper stickers for my car. One says "We got D1, what you got?!" She's hoping that by her junior year she gets off the bench. Her mom cares about her grades, but she's out of her mind. Grades are short lived. Everyone says school is not important. I'm really just fine if she lives in my basement for another decade or two while she works as a soccer trainer for the local club earning $24000 per year. I love her and she loves soccer and thats all that matters. "
So I guess PDA/MF are the BMW's/Lexus of this world and NJ RUSH is Chevy. lolI guess I have my daughter in a cheap Chrysler. Come on people Luxury brand now you parents are talking insane. These clubs are all institutional programs at different prices and products.
You don't have to be ECNL to be recruited to the college ranks, as long as your team goes to showcases so you can be seen. CASL 2014 College Coach List http://soccer.sincsports.com/TTCollegeList.aspx?tid=CASL3&tab=4&sub=4&sYear=2014&Sex=FPDA NJ 2015 College Coach Listhttp://www.pdasoccer.org/tournaments/pdagirlscollegeshowcase/523293.htmlWAGS 2014 College Coach Listhttp://events.gotsport.com/events/collegecoaches.aspx?EventID=36311ECNL Sanford 2014 College Coach Listhttps://ecnl.wufoo.com/reports/scout-attendance-201415-ecnlfl-/Disney 2014 College Coach Listhttp://events.gotsport.com/events/collegecoaches.aspx?EventID=38493But if you look at WHICH college coaches are attending WHAT tournaments, you see a lot more D2, D3 and NAIA at the non-ECNL events. Just sayin'
"Different prices and products", sounds like BMW vs. Honda to me. It's all good. Both can you get you where you want to go albeit in a slightly different style.
There are over 8000 soccer clubs in the U.S. 77 of those clubs are in the ECNL - and send - what? - 50% of its players to the D1 ranks?That means the other 50% of D1 players are coming from somewhere between - A GOOD GUESS - 3000-7000 clubs that have girls soccer at the U15-U17 range. 77 vs 3000? No brainer.
What is a no brainer? your post seems to imply that D1 soccer is the undisputed prize sought by the players in these 8000 soccer clubs.
There is a limited universe of players with the money, time, talent, motivation, resilience and drive to try to compete in high level soccer. For them a high end team/club makes sense. For the players lacking one or more of those criteria, it would not be a good fit.
6:24 you are clearly drunk on koolaid. go check out how the U15 PDA teams did at State Cup this spring against local teams, then go check how u15 and U16 did at their own showcase tourney a few weeks ago playing against non ecnl clubs (playing with PDA ECNL players no less). Then go to got soccer, click on any of the PDA or MF NE NPL teams, and see how they've done over the past 12 months playing any tournies outside of their secluded league. Then please report back. :)
If a kid is a GREAT soccer player, a scout will find her/him.For those that are very good but not a 'great one', the additional exposure of an elite league can get you opportunities that otherwise would be unattainable.If you want to hunt tornadoes, probably best to start in Oklahoma.
I was going to send my daughter to join Crew or the WC. We attended Crew tryouts. After doing a little research I saw that both teams are ranked pretty high in NJ. Then when I looked to see who they were playing, I was a little confused. I get Crew is the B team but why do they play local town teams? Do all B PDA teams play only local town teams? WC was doing the same as well as playing PDA Crew. PDA and WC are claiming to be a more competitive environment and charging as such. The rosters are very big. After what I am seeing I am not so sure. PDA also said they would get the girls to play with Galaxy. Is that even possible when they already have a high number of girls on the roster? Can someone please share your thoughts on this.Not looking to bash either of these clubs just want to know what I am getting into.
429 Walk Away better yet Run Away! lol
The Crew is U12, who do you want them to play? The majority of the teams are still town based. You can only play the teams in your league and the tourneys you play in.
Face it Crew is PDA's 3rd or 4th team for now. It goes Galaxy, Nova(Getting Stronger), Shore, Crew.Next Year's possible PDA format: Pre-ECNL Team (PDA Galaxy - Call Ups and move downs from NPL North, South, Shore)NPL North(Crew) & South(Nova)EDP NPL(Shore)I hope that clarifies the possible format for PDA, but it's subject to change depending on the competition landscape of where Non-ECNL clubs join. EDP NPL has high quality teams as well like SDFC, SJEB, NJ Rush, Rage/Rush, TSF.
Aren't PDA Galaxy and Crew in the same EDP bracket so therefore playing the same teams?
@429 not sure what league you are talking about, but Crew plays the same teams as Galaxy. Also they play ECNL festivals at this age and play other ECNL clubs. These events are not on GS and closed out to outside clubs. PDA crew used to play JAGS which had a lot of town teams, but not anymore.
429, WC is a New York club, so not sure where you saw this ranking being so high in nj. All your info on crew is wrong too.They play in a 1st division edp central and are doing well, beating most other premier clubs. As for price, all these clubs charge about the same and have same roster size if they can get the players. By the way, you need to tryout for teams, you can't just put them on a team. Sounds like a like town team is more your style.
5:09 - You are wrong about PDA Crew! Go look at the EDP bracket, they are parallel to Galaxy. Where are you getting your information from? Nova not doing well in their bracket Division South. I think you are misinformed. More like Nova being the 3rd or 4th team.
Looking at edp site - PDA crew has only lost to CH in league, which in my opinion is number three in state. Can someone give PDA credit for something.I get it, everyone hates them because they are PDA, but this second team looks to be doing very well and that's cool to see.
9 posts from Crew folks. i guess we know they are trolling about.
@7:16OP said,"I was going to send my daughter to join Crew or the WC. We attended Crew tryouts."I don't see how you can assume town team is more their style? It's obvious they were asked to join both teams, or they would not be asking this question what they will be getting into. We don't even know what club they are coming from. Therefore, your town team comment is a very stupid assumption. Let me make an assumption of my own. Your from MF. The elitist club of all, with a roster of all town kids on the team who feel your above everyone else! OP I would go with PDA. Like someone said above you can only play in the B bracket. The training is far above and PDA has a proven themselves. Just my humble opinion.
If you join any ecnl b-d team, understand what you are getting into. Check out where the older ages b-d teams play, what brackets in what tournies, which scouts came to watch the PDA Fla event for the b-d teams. Then check out the top NPL teams in this Region, and fo the same research. Scouts have limited days to recruit, and they will go watch players playing against the best teams in each region. That typically is not the ecnl clubs b-d teams, although their could be a rare exception. You cannot go the records or rankings of u12 play. It completely changes by U15-U17. Top players go to whatever team can get them the best exposure. To get into the top bracket of national tournaments, your team needs to be ranked very high regionally. That's very rare for a b-d team.
Great article about ECNL's impact on USNT youth teams. If you follow the USNT youth teams U15 to U20 as much as my daughter and I do this is very interesting.http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/ecnl-era-fast-approaching-for-uswnt_aid36606?utm_source=TopDrawerSoccer+Newsletter&utm_campaign=d7c6e576f0-General_6_3_156_3_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8340315a79-d7c6e576f0-31353657
Quite interesting that as the article is applauding the ECNL, there is an article on the right side of the page with the headline "U20 WNT schooled in opening loss to Japan" a team that would have a by and large ECNL populated team.http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/college-soccer-articles/u20-wnt-loses-to-japan-in-ntc-opener_aid36611
The rest of the world is catching up to Women's soccer, just like it has in other sports. The WNT go in cycles for each age group, so each Youth Team for WNT can vary in style and play if you read the article it states a specific style was put in place for the U20's. Maybe it works maybe it doesn't but at U23 and below that's when you test the waters. It is common trend that ECNL clubs are filling up the national pool more and more but there are still alternatives like US Youth ODP and US Club ID2 programs and I'm sure they will continue to make adjustments to help feed the National Pool as well. At least there are more options now and more opportunities, and if you look at the latest camp of U15's headed to Portland their are 4 born in the year of '02 that were in invited, so that's interesting they are possibly already looking as far down as U12 players.
02 are really 13 year old age group for natl team, they go by age year. This is one reason for the change next year to age group.I'm sure 80 percent of the top girls at u12 this year are 02's and they will all be forced to move up a year starting next fall and be playing so called u14.
459 Do you mean U15 Next fall as many of u13's now will be entering U14 this fall. Where and whom will be going by Age Year next fall. That will be a big change in the landscape of every club.
The puff piece seems to be indicating that US soccer has largely abdicated its mission to identify the best youth players to the ECNL. I guess great for the ECNL but not so great for US soccer. Anyone with a child playing ECNL sees that the league is chock full of well off suburban players with little if any representation from other groups. No doubt there are some talented players, but not representative of all this county has to offer.
I think everyone in the know - knows they are going calendar year next year, starting fall season.Big changes, but most of the older u12 girls will be going to high scholl anyway.
@846 - I believe you mean this is happening at the start of the 2016 fall season, not this coming fall. And yes, have heard the same.
For those of you wondering about school year/calendar year, relax, it will most likely not affect players already in travel programs.The new rule would affect the youngest groups (U9) and follow from there.It's a process. Nobody will suffer in the current setup, unless you feel your daughter being born on July 31st is holding her back.
No one 'suffers" under either setup. It is a sport. If anyone is suffering they should find another activity. An age cut off is established. Kids play with other players in their age range. If they are very talented and need to play with more skilled players to be challenged, they play up with older, more advanced players. The new set up is identical to the old set up, they are just adjusting the date of the age cut off.
I disagree the change to calendar year will make some players look advance and some will look they are falling behind. Size, Speed, Strength carries a lot of weight over skill in real game play skill carries small margin as it can always be taught. Of course everything catches up after girls mature and balance out but at the younger ages U15 and below it's a disadvantage for many.
So based on this discussion my daughter born 02 entering 7th grade this fall playing (U13) will be playing with freshman players next fall when she is in 8th grade playing at(u15). Half the team will be missing practice session's due to playing in high school soccer. I think the current format and cutoff date works fine.
Can someone research and find a link that tells this discussion about going by year. I don't see anyone else talking about it on other blogs.
Age is only one component to ability in sports. Talent, interest, drive, intelligence, resilience, work rate are all important factors. The age range should be larger than just one year to really allow kids to be properly grouped based on ability and interest. The narrow minded focus on age is only useful if looking for an temporary and meaningless advantage to win a few youth soccer matches.
Again, this is happening and happening fall of 2016 and for our age group. Some girls will definitely be effected, mostly the 02 girls born in fall. There is no link right now, but these discussions and timelines are really happening. Is there a chance it won't? Yes, but 90 percent it will. Many other states and regions have different cut off dates for school year, so most won't be effected as much as our region. Our age probably has the worse timing for this to happen because some of the older girls will be left out of eligibility for games in fall of 2016. The clubs will have to deal and should have an answer/ solution soon for them.
Ok can you tell me what club you are from that you are hearing this because, personally discussions and possibilities should of been published this past spring prior to tryouts to give parents and opportunity to decide where to play and what team to look at both age groups u12 & u13. I think its all nonsense.
Sounds like 1211 has a early fall baby, I would be concerned too.
Well U.S. Club specifically states going calendar year make sense per there website. So eventually it will happen especially if they are posting on there site.http://www.usclubsoccer.org/about/faqs/What is the US Club Soccer registration year? To avoid confusion, especially where clubs register with both us and their state association, US Club Soccer has adopted the same registration year as other soccer organizations (August through July). Eventually, we feel utilizing the calendar year for registrations and age brackets makes sense.
My daughter is June/2003 and top half on a very good team, I welcome this change. It happened to my sons baseball team few years back. We have at least 8 of our girls that are 2002 and most have had a nice advantage with size and speed. I will miss them and the families, but look forward to the new dynamics and some change. I assume we will be called the 03 team going forward like the boys side. Our club has decent u11 team and have heard the top players are all 2003's too. They will be the bottom half going forward.
Is this being done across all clubs, even town teams? I thought this age group was not effected??
teams are extremely top loaded, so there will not be as much disruption as people believe. In actuality the kids born in the latter year will be more disrupted as they will be separated from the majority of their teammates. To correct an earlier misrepresentation, 95% of the country has school cutoffs on 8/1, 9/1, or 10/1. This will end classmates playing together and will cause clubs to reconfigure teams by grade as well as age.
10:17 your daughter won't skip a year. She will move to U14 and the 03's will repeat U13.
OMG.. There is plenty in life to stress about. Youth sports age cut-offs is not one of them.
10:39 on behalf of myself and the rest of the posters I would like to aplogize for talking about youth sports topics on a youth sports blog. Please tell us what we should be talking about.
Ok. Have at it. Just very uninteresting. The cut off will be put somewhere and it is arbitrary. Make it April 1st or November 17th. It does not matter.Maybe they will play with class mates. Maybe they will meet kids in other grades. All good.
So what will the late '02's do in the fall of their 8th grade year when half their team is playing high school?
7:03 - Exactly why changing this is a problem.The cutoff is arbitrary - no matter where you make it, theres some that will be the oldest in the group and some will be younger.Changing it doesn't remedy that issue - it just shifts it. Because of where school grade cutoffs are, this shouldn't change - otherwise you strand kids like 7:03 points out. I know some will argue they can just go join another team - but why cause that to happen in the first place? Keep the alignment close to the school grade age cutoffs.
7:18am. The further issue is when the kids are at college recruitment age that a coach will go along and watch the 02s as say, "Sophomores" and maybe half the team are still Freshman as they were born in late 02. With the current system i'd say 99% of players at U15 and above play with their grade meaning that a coach can watch a team, happy in the knowledge that every player is within the class year they are looking at. Switching the paradigm to birth year now makes the recruiting process that even more difficult for our kids to get seen if half the team is one grade and the other is the grade below.Pointless to change the system based on the reason US Soccer is using.
1035 your incorrect if they change to calendar year it would follow ODP and other calendar year programs like boys academy. So in the fall of 2016 03's would go U14 and 02's U15. Look it up for the boys and ODP. By U15 most of the girls have already matured and are almost done with there growth spurts and all level out. So they all eventually want to play on teams that have girls in the same grade anyway. So no need to worry about the year change or not all of you that have a daughter still playing by then 2 will be searching or staying with your team based on your daughter's grade anyway.
How does the PDA U-11 Lyon team stack up against the U-12 PDA teams? Just wondering since the U-11 team plays up.
Lots of good arguments all around, but it is changing.and nothing we can do.Bottom line it is for the top 2 percent and to keep up with natl team age group and boys side.Many other sports have made same changes - I don't get it.
Remember it's youth soccer like 10:42 stated at u15 if they are still playing. It's a known fact a little less than half of your daughter's teammates or your own daughter may not be playing anymore by then. So stop worrying and let them enjoy. To change to topic can anyone provide me a what they think the list of teams by each NPL league - NY, EDP, & North East. Curious of the teams in each and which will be the strongest.
@1046. PDA Lyon is a lot of 2003 birthdays so players are very close to the players in the u12 bracket
Sorry not gonna happen to many leagues pushing back plus tournament layouts will need to change as well since majority of tournaments accept US Club and US Youth carding. It will be a total nightmare to organizing and seeding.
I remember reading this in the NY times last year on the train. Amazing that this is happening already and look what league she plays in. Does anyone have a girl on there team that has this possibility. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/27/sports/committing-to-play-for-a-college-then-starting-9th-grade.html
How is that allowed under NCAA rules?
Verbal offer. Neither school or kid is committed.
NCAA should crack down on this. Coaches are not supposed to be talking to players this young.
It's crazy for a player to commit to attending a college 4 years in the future. So much can change.
Many of the good players commit verbally commit after sophomore year. This is a risk more towards the college's that do this.
I know a girl who gave an early verbal to UNC. She tore her ACL in her junior year of high school. UNC did not honor the verbal when it came time to sign her during her senior year. Not all universities are like that but I thought not honoring the verbal was classless by UNC.
I only wish my kid gets the best possible grades, works tirelessly at being a great teammate, an honorable soccer student, a good athlete that takes pride in her strength and endurance and skills, who trusts her teammates and is trusted by them. I hope she picks a great academic university that she will enjoy and give her the tools to be successful for the rest of her life. i hope she plays soccer, but whether D1, D2 or D3 or not at all, I hope she just loves her time at college. Gosh i miss those years. dont we all. Soccer empowers her; her teammates empower her. He coach builds her up. And she is amazing. Her teammates are amazing. Better or worse than others? who cares. We're all privileged to watch these kids love this sport.When people toss around terms like ECNL or brag about the recruiting prospects of certain leagues or clubs, I wish them the best but its not for everyone. Its not for us.
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