If the players that moved are so good, why did they move to level teams and or age groups?
Odp is a joke
@1155 - did you mean lower level?
One could make the argument that ECNL training > ODP training.Especially if the level of talent on your ECNL team is better than the ODP pool, which can be 36 kids and somewhat diluted.Players move for many different reasons. Playing 1/2 a game at one year up may not be as developmentally sound as playing 3/4 to a full game at your own age. You go where you are wanted.
It is not ENCL training, it's just a look and see. And for kids not yet old enough for ENCL, most will be in ODP.Not to stir up rivalries, but PDA is hardly a lower level. Higher age groups are also not lower.
How many players from PF are on going to the NTC? if you live in south jersey and play for a pa team, do you attend the pa or nj - NTC?I agree that ODP is not worth the time and money anymore. Although it sounds good for new soccer parents, especially when talking to their friends and family. I hear it all the time and think to myself, okay she is average at best.
The 02 birth year has several PF players ongoing at the NTC. I believe you would attend the training center in the state your club is in regardless of the state you reside in. Correct me if anyone knows different.
I know a number of jersey girls playing in PA who attend NTC in NJ
Guess it doesn't matter. One NTC is the same as the rest in the end. All the US coaches/evaluators whoattend them know what they are looking for and who has it. Hard part for many parents is child not getting an invite back and not knowing why exactly.
Have any clubs put forth an ideas about what the 2002 birth year 7th graders have for options in the fall? Our club has communicated on the birth year and field changes but did not mention anything on this. I am curious because my kid will be in the same spot next year.
3:44 great question that hasn't been addressed by anyone yet!
The 7th grade girls will get a lot of practice time and a bunch of festivals. The ECNL clubs have talked about putting together 7v7 festivals and maybe even combining teams geographically for tournaments. At least that's what one club wants to do.
4:19, I have heard that. My club however did not mention that. What I did hear today is that NJ may get rid of of freshman HS soccer which pushes U15 to a fall game.
USA soccer does not care about whether kids play on their school teams or in college. Under the system USA soccer has created, all USA soccer cares about is finding the top, super elite soccer player, which is maybe 20 kids nation wide per age group. The rest of our kids are just there to create a pool of players for USA soccer to draw from. The best female athletes in the US play soccer so there is a real talent pool to draw from. The best male athletes do not play soccer so the men's program will continue to flounder until that changes, regardless of the talent development system or level of coaching. I fail to see how any of the changes being imposed will attract the best athletes, male or female, to the game.
Glenn Crooks is tweeting that "I learned Girls DA will follow Boys DA model - members will NOT be permitted to play high school soccer."I just hope they do not have too many DAs. Maybe one for Jersey, one for PA. Any more than that, and the talent will be diluted and kids that should be getting the advantages of high school soccer will be skipping to sit the bench and be practice players for the DA. Thats exactly what has happened with the boys DA.If they have the same number of DAs as ECNL... college recruiters will predominately only recruit the DA and girls will feel forced into choosing DA. Also I understand that serious players will go single sport at some point. Ideally maybe around 14-yrs? If the DA begins too young, girls could be specializing too early... leading to burnout.I know US Soccer could give a rats-ass about the kids that burn-out or get injured and regret not be more diversified. - they are only looking for the few that dont.
7:51am. Best post i have read on here in a long time. US Soccer only cares about the true Elite player, which at most would be 2 maybe 3 players (optimistic odds) in NJ each birth year. How thing became a good idea to them is still beyond me. And that they have not came up with solutions to the 2 huge problems (Freshman and Senior year) they've created.
IMO....the DA girls idea makes no sense at all. It took years to build up the ECNL program which is the DA for girls. Why not just change the ECNL brand to DA ?
The plan is to have 50-70 DA teams.My guess is around North jersey/central jersey area it will only be PDA & WC....with an outside shot for Cedar Stars Academy even though the girls program isn't built up at a higher level, they will grow it fast.
US soccer only seems to care about the elite players with $$$$. Talent and no cash is of little interest.
That is largely true for the ECNL. It remains to be seen if the DA will try to serve any of the lower income talent.
Why would it not go to club with at least a semi pro team if there are no pro teams? I thought it was geared toward potential pro players?
Sky Blue semi pro DA team would be pretty cool
50-70 DA teams is too many. This is not in our children's best interest. My fear is my daughter who loves soccer soooo much and practices all most everyday, wants the very best soccer environment so she chooses DA and forgoes high school sports (and all other high school activities). She does fine in the DA until she gets injured. She has no activities on her college app - because she only had time for club. She doesn't play in college because of her injury. She greatly regrets missing high school activities because the DA didnt pay off in her case. I know US Soccer is willing to take this risk with the 2000-3000 girls (50-teams x 3-teams per club x 18-player/team) that will play DA each yr. But IT'S NOT THEIR KID!
@9:06Then you don't put her in DA. Your choice and your child's choice. Nobody has a gun to your head. Not sure what that has to do with 50-70 DA teams. Around 1200 girls. Not really sure how that is a lot for the entire country of 320 M people. There might be only 1-2 teams within 2 hours from you.
I do think it's funny how people are making such a huge deal of this. It is a choice. Let your child choose which path she would prefer to take and relax.
Right now there are 6 boys DA's within 2-hours from me - I'm near YSC Sports in PA:-Philly Union-Continental FC Delco-PA Classics-Lehigh Valley-PDA-NJCSAIf there are only 2, maybe 3 girls DA teams - fine. But I think there will be more ... with many players offered roster spots that are not truly elite. Its hard to know where you will stand and if its worth it ahead of time.
DA is not going to just hand out roster spots to anyone!
You better be able to pay for it!
We don't know anything yet, money factor included. Just relax!!
This DA thing is actually pretty sad. How many girls are really going to make the national team? There really is no pro path for women since not enough money is generated to support the pro level. I see families struggle to pay for these programs and make such crazy commitments, to the point the girls miss their youth. Parents drive this craziness because they get caught up in the "elite" concept. at least ECNL, NPL, etc respect the child's opportunity to play in front of their peers in school. Playing school sports was a huge part of our youth and to not allow it bc the DA program says so, just awful. Peer value – there is something about being the star of your school in front of your peers. Your school mates will also be aware of her exploits in supporting her school and school spirit. She will be able to walk in the hallways with a sense of pride, which will only make her feel good about herself. Very important at this time in her life. Life development is overlooked.In the end, since the pool of national players is so small, there will be so much disappointment because some parents think their daughter is the next Carli Lloyd. If she is that good, she will be identified, no need for DA. That simple. ECNL, NPL or whatever league your in provides an opportunity for every level player. In the end, soccer should be looked at learning life lessons, learning to work hard, rewarded for putting the time, and discipline. Soccer should be used as a pathway to getting into a better college because that is what will benefit them more in the long wrong. get your priorities straight folks. The chances of even one player from NJ making the national team are small. Good luck in your endeavors but keep it real!
agreed, the DA program doesn't serve the kids, it serves the program!Imagine your daughter makes the DA only to find out they made the practice squad - good times
Some of the talented kids that are shut out in the current system are the one that maybe could take advantage of a DAP program if it aims to control out of control costs.
Look DA has not made the boys side better internationally right? So why do they think it will make the girls side better than it is already. Do other sports pull kids out of HS sports NO! I think Soccer in America is going in the wrong direction to accommodate national players v just working on getting kids interested to continue playing even into their college years. That's when US Soccer should be looking at more closely and recruit from is the College players do not worry about boys/girls at 12-18 years old. Those college players the put their time in for 4 years to make it to Finals Fours and so on deserve to placed in a larger pool and select the national players from their.
It is claimed that the boys DA serves a wider diversity of talent than was served before it existed. If the girl's side can accomplish that, then it has value.
The boys DA from MLS Clubs is basically free. The clubs pay for it as an investment. For example, current Red Bulls player Matt Miazga that came up through their academy is rumored to be sold to Chelsea for $5 million. 75% of the $5 million will go to the Red Bulls.That financial incentive does not exist for Girls. Do you think the Red Bulls will sponsor a girls DA out of the kindness of their hearts? More likely, US Soccer will provide scholarships to a few players on each team. Its an improvement, but they wont be able to provide what they do on the boys side.
Improvement is better than no improvement.
Well said, 11:04.Environment is so key for continuing their love for the game after high school. Humblebragging about trophy lists is not.
@11:42If the boys DA has teams in PA Classics and Lehigh Valley that are not supported by MLS clubs, how do they manage? These clubs have hundreds of kids in their programs. How would you know if they are being charged an extra $100? For 500 players, that's $50,000, which basically gets you halfway there to funding 36 players. Wouldn't you pay 50% of the costs of an ECNL club to play for the DA?
11:31 Some European clubs do not start competitive youth play until they are 16.
@951They may be two hours for you, but they are actually rather well positioned.PAC is located out west in the Harrisburg/Lancaster area.LVU is up north in the Allentown area.FC Delco is right in your backyard at YSC.Union is to the south.PDA and NJCSA are to the East.Four hours in the car might not be the choice for everyone.But, do what you have to do.
Are MLS youth programs, such as Red Bulls Academy, involved. Four hours drive is out of the question.
Don't forget Philly Union Jr's and the new NY MLS team. I'm sure they will want a piece of the pie if it's a pay to play concept.
Here is the problem with the boys DA. There are really 3 tiers, MLS clubs, super clubs like PDA, the rest. The MLS clubs are for profit entities and they can consider this an investment. The rest struggle, and do not pay the full freight. The girls DA is going to be a problem unless the Federation finances the entire thing, which they will never do unless someone like Nike steps up with huge money. All the NWSL clubs will have Academies and because the NWSL is subsidized by US Soccer, they will subsidize the academy. Details very soon, within days. I do not see the MLS clubs being involved with the girls DA, but who knows. Really kind of sad that this is mostly about power and not the kids. Par for the course with soccer. Took a game that you just need a ball and made it a game that costs thousands to play.
Maybe the MLS clubs will get involved with the girl's DAP and with funding it. Would that increase fan support for the MLS clubs?
Where did everyone go?
Starting to see tryout information on websites. Earliest I see is PF's Player ID sessions starting this weekend. Anyone going? I expect this will be a big turnout with lots of curious parents.
@1:47 Yes that has been posted before and has been talked about already thanks for promoting your club again and reminding us.
God forbid anyone get some conversation started on this boring ass blog. Not all of us live on here like I guess you do. My apologies.
Not going to PF. ODP training on Sunday, with Virginia friendlies coming up in two more weeks.But, good luck with those trophies....
What trophies are you talking about?Just because PF is ahead of the game, you shouldn't criticize.Don't be jealous of success.
ODP that's hilarious. Save your money ! Its a joke that they even exist.
Trophies? What are you even talking about? Almost anyone can make ODP these days. You probably doubt your kids chances at ECNL so in that case yes you should go to ODP.
Haha criticize ODP isn't it funny as their are several PF players recognized for being on ODP. Don't mock anything PF is doing the right thing by getting an understanding of their tryout numbers.
It's called smart! I'm sure other clubs will attempt to do the same.
ODP generally has several conflicts with ECNL spring schedule.PF has 3 players on the 03 region 1 ODP team.They will most likely be playing 02 next season, so they need to restock.
Do these clubs really get tryout numbers at the open training sessions? I think it's more like the club trying out for the players. I know of many who plan to attend open sessions with no real plans to attend tryouts.
"Unless Nike funds the whole thing....."With the price of the shoes and clothing we buy..............Good Lord....least they could do.
If Nike funds a girl's DA I will take back a lot of the stuff I say to my kids about Nike.
Stop with the DA stuff, same time last year this blog was all about the Birth Year changes until something is announce with details then all these assumptions are pre-mature. Can you step back and talk about Jeff Cup?
ODP numbers have been dropping along with the talent level . It's good for some extra training and nothing more . Certainly nothing to be bragging about .
The DA stuff is actually interesting. Do we have to listen to rattling on about this bracket or that bracket?
i agree, DA talk more interesting
@3:25 I agree their is nothing really to talk about with DA stuff until more information is given. As for Jeff Cup I see a Galaxy v NJ Rush rematch for the top bracket. PF clearly will win second bracket, while I think SDFC will take 3rd. All in All it will be a good showing for NJ teams.
359 As for the U12 bloggers on here PDA Lyon will come out of the Top bracket of U12.
Please back to DA or birth year or FIFA or something, anything other than this team or that team.
Ok PDA...rather than this team or that team tell us this since PDA is quality club and it would be interesting to know the following,What is their opinion on the girl's DAP?How will teams be placed in divisions next fall when many are composed of approximately half new players?For the 04 girl's, do they agree with the move to 11 v 11 at that age?It would be interesting to know a top clubs take on some of these issues.
Penn Fusion Birth Year ID Event2003 birth yearFeb 7 and Feb 28RSVP
Penn Fusion Birth Year ID Event2003 birth yearFeb 7 and Feb 28RSVP
PF Thanks for the marketing once again! You still will not be able to compete a powerhouse like PDA. Which doesn't need to market at all.
5:12 04's should be 9v9. But I'm not PDA and have no idea what their opinion is on the matter. also.... tryouts should be in october/november. And season should run Spring, Summer Fall. That would solve the whole 04 9v9 issue because no longer would the season be split between two years. Of course many would find fault in that idea, despite it making logical sense.
Never made much sense that April/May tryouts are for August practice times leading into fall season.Tryouts should be after Memorial Day, when every team has essentially completed their final tournament for the season.I could not believe when I heard that players leaving a club would not be allowed to play in their Memorial Day tournament.
Thx again for the marketing post.
Can't make the PF ID event. When are the Lady Bugs holding their ID event?
It is ridiculous when tryouts are. It puts coaches, parents , and worst of all the girls in a really uncomfortable situation. You want to do the right thing and let your current coach know what you are planning on doing , whether its going to another clubs tryout or play day. But doing that puts everyone in a cruddy position. Kids start treating each other differently , parents think the coach is plotting against them. Its really unfortunate. Previous post was correct. Tryouts should be after the Spring season is over. Give the clubs two to three weeks in June and be done with it. Bottom line is its a business and these clubs don't give a crap about we think.
Totally agree. It's how it's done at Clubs like FCV. Late May-June. Player I know who moved clubs last year was treated exactly how the previous poster mentioned. Player was treated like crap after people found out! Ridiculous. No player or family should have to answer toanyone else about a personal decision regarding a choice like that. Be as upfront as possible with the coach if they have earned that respect but other than that it's no ones business. Hopefully this region will follow the example of others and push these tryouts back in the future.
Imho it does not pay to be up front with a coach once you have decided to leave. Most coaches are too immature and take it personally. If you like watching your kid on the bench getting stink eye go for it. Even the nice coaches get their ego damaged by a decent player leaving them. When all they should care about is if it is a good developmental move for the kids.
Sad but true. Worse are the ones that try to slander the kid going forward. Left behind parents get into it too.
Thanks 9:28. We get it. It's ok to stop.
Instead of endlessly posting, why doesn't the club send out emails letting everyone know the times have changed? wonder how many will show up at the wrong place and time this weekend find no one there and never come back.
PF is the only club that has a vision for these upcoming changes. How come there are no other Birth Year ID training sessions out there? Give some credit where credit is due.
10:41 There are you just need to research each club. PF is the only one's marketing on this blog as many know their are many PF parents on here. I do give them credit though.
Who else is running these?
http://www.pdasoccer.org/pdaprograms/576154.htmlPDA has winter clinics for non-PDA players.http://www.sjeb.org/dthttp://www.sjeb.org/page/show/1223176-skills-skoolSJEB has club neutral, supplemental training.http://www.continentalfc.org/Talent/index_E.htmlhttp://www.continentalfc.org/Programs/IDA/index_E.htmlContinental FC has Birth Year Talent ID games.FC Philly, LVU, and many others offer supplemental training.You just have to look for it. Do your homework.
Anyone else think 10:41, 10:45, and 10:48 are the same person???? 8)
11:14 Agree I think many of the same blogs come from the same person or group of parents acting in part with team. Going to be interesting spring. I see a lot of hostility from the parent sidelines as well.
I am 10:48 and that was my only post so....
I'm 10:45 and that was my only post, yes there a lot of PF on lookers here.
I'm 10:41 and it's really hard to keep track of the times on all these messages and space them out properly. A little latitude, please....
1045 - I wouldn't admit it if I were you.
3:45 I'll admit your 15 of the last 20 blogs on here.
Does it matter people??? No good topics today huh?
I got a good topic did any leagues/clubs decide on the 02's entering 8th grade. Will there be a U15 fall league to play?
Jefferson Cup schedules are outSo who do you like to final in top 2 flights?
I heard JAGS not implementing the calendar year change until Fall 17'
Makes sense for jags to do this, a lot of teams won't be able or dont want the change right now. Leaves a option open.
PF is hardly the ONLY club looking at birth year players... I am sure most larger clubs have already started to have sessions with their 02's together already
Tell me one club that is not going to birth year? It's a mandate, not a suggestion.
In 2017 , next year. I'm sure there will be plenty, mostly lower level town type clubs and teams.
I'd like anyone who knows of any club or league that is waiting until 17/18 to post it.
Did anyone go to PF yesterday?
Mostly their own kids. Didn't want to include the outsiders.
1040 sorry you were disappointed but like a prior blogger posted it's a open play day to gauge numbers. Plus they have an idea of certain girls already and many of their girls were are PA's ODP session so their was room for outsiders to be seen. Either way it was a big turnout, I'm sure we'll see other comments on here.
Why do people on ecnl clubs go to ODP? arent you paying/playing enough?
Because in some states it still holds a lot of credibility go to any Top 10 college roster and research players profile you will see many have done it within their own state.
It looks good on your resume for when your ECNL team eventually replaces you at U15....
True. If player can list played at ECNL / ODP / NPL etc. Looks very good.Might need some burn cream for the 1239 comment. Boom.
11:26 AM ODP was after. It was a big turn out for the current players, as they were required to come. Less than 80 total. With about 4-5 teams a year, that's not many newbies. But, if that's giving them an idea of numbers, well so be it.
@212 You are wrong the times conflicted and not all current teams were required to attend.
03s from Phil and Lanco could have done both PF and ODP, with a little bit of a delayed arrival at ODP. PF event ended 15 minutes before ODP started for those 03s, but a player would have needed to travel from the West Chester fields to USTC. There were direct conflicts with other age groups and locations. If any NJ Rush Grey or Blue are thinking about making the switch, they will be conflicted out of the 2/28 PF event because they will be in action in MD and VA respectively on that day as part of RCL.
Any proof Copa is making a move into southern nj?
@3:38 Why would any NJ parent want to travel over to PA. There are programs in NJ that are very strong or just as strong. With Tolls & Traveling it will cost a parent approximately +25% more than just joining PDA or other strong clubs like Match Fit, Rush etc in NJ. To what I saw this last Wed. for signing day I think PDA had 20 girls and NJ Stallions has 15 girls sign D1 commitments. That's more than all the PA ECNL teams combined. Parents need stop following hype but follow results.
Maybe they only go to Pa when they aren't good enough to make PDA .
Pda is always a safe bet, but PDA north is very far. As for MF, they are a joke. The stallions team was an outlier and at six other clubs prior to ending up there, odds of finding another team like that are very low. And they are in northern NJ somewhere. PF is a very good option going forward for SJ. I know there is an upset parent on here that went to,PDA and left because Sally didn't get play time, but this happens with all clubs. She needed to go back and play her age. Rush is a good u13 team, won't see them much after age transition. Not sure what those parent will do after playing 50 games a year...
3:38 pm rightAnd they say they have 49 '03s in the various levels. That's about how many were wearing PF/WC gear. So 4 fields of 8 v 8 with a few standing out, means less than 20 people came. It was a PF mass work-out.
It was also poorly set up. It seemed like the existing teams/levels were put together. Some groups the PFs outnumbered the newcomers by quite a lot and they just shut the new kids out. Placement of the newbies was incomprehensible. Kids who didn't make ODP above those who did.If you want to see what kids can do, don't have your kids wear their uniforms and distribute everyone randomly, at first.
Players were moved as needed during the time based on what coaches saw during play. If they were put with a team and needed to move up or down they did.
Wait, the players were allowed to wear their uniforms???Everyone didn't get a separate 'play' shirt?
PF does the same thing at tryouts.
It's probably why they end up having good but not great teams. Not realizing that putting single newcomers in with a field of 75% of existing team competing for next year's spot is not a kumbaya moment, isn't smart.If your daughter doesn't go with 6-8 friends, and stay in the same group, it is not worth it. It's a game of keep away with the existing players -- even the ones that are supposed to be on her side of the scrimmage.PDA and others break it up more. The coaches will notice and say something if they see it.
Let's see if many of the non-PF players show up to the next event and tryouts. It possibly could of back fired and chased some good players away that have potential but were overlooked. Going to be interesting. That's why PDA does pay to play training clinics to help see if a kid can go through proper training and then get seen at tryouts, no free play marketing.
PF gets the players they want. Most of the players interested in PF have already contacted TM and they would be moved to the top field if they were any good.For the players that have not contacted TM, they have to play their way to the top field.It's a process, but it works.
So much penn fusion bashing. Clearly it's the place to be for those who can!
PF also has club mandated formations. Guess they feel they don't need the element of surprise or creativity.A lot of questionable decisions from the top. If Lancaster/Harrisburg gets an academy for the girls in 2017, they will loose a big advantage that keeps them afloat in spite of all the poor management -- no competition from the west. Could turn into a club for mediocre mean girls.
They have lost several that they wanted, including the famous to PDA striker. They put the original dates in conflict with ODP. Mandated formations. "Try-outs" that consist of majority of kids on existing teams and 8 v 8 no less.People are here trying to get more information to know where to put their time. If there's no conflict people will come just to get practice. But, when they have to choose it's different. If one has to contact someone beforehand, that should be advertised.When fact-based concerns are raised and countered with "no it's not" (when it actually is), it is telling.
Do your homework.It's not necessarily about the best club.It's not necessarily about the best coach.It's not necessarily about the best players.It's about the best fit for the development of your child.
@1207 totally agree, I would also add in team environment to that statement. Wouldn't want anyone to put their daughter in a situation where she becomes uncomfortable.
Completely agree. This blog FWIW is a source of "homework" and knowing where is best for development/not uncomfortable.PF addressed some things raised here, not others. Info on PDA as well. Take it for what you will.
Any other open houses/id's coming up for '03's?
I guess this blog is for 03's(U12) should 02's(U13) move to U14 now? It looks like 4000+ post to catch up on over there.
Can the great striker mom please move on. I'm at PDA and you bother me.
7:24 Soccer blog catfishing? Double catfishing. Pretending someone else is someone that they're not, as well as pretending you are someone that you are not. Get some help.
I'll see you on the sidelines at PDA and have been there for years with many children.
I'm hearing a lot parents deciding to stay where they are until more DA information becomes available so all these ID Events or jumping to ECNL teams may become irrelevant any way right before tryouts. Rumor has it more information and announcements of DA will be published April/May and that's exactly when majority of tryouts occur.
Why did soccerwire etc. say the announcement was imminent?
Because Soccer Wire is just as bad at starting rumors than this blog.
I think the the US Soccer people leaked that the announcement was imminent. But then top ECNL teams that US Soccer wanted in the DA, along with top college coaches questioned the DA and its rollout. Many are truly concerned that the DA (by not allowing high soccer - or any other sports) will create a watered-down DA. One big concern is that the top players will play DA, verbally commit to their college during 10th grade, then drop out of the DA for both 11th and 12th and play in a league that would allow high school play. Or they will still not play high school, but train more locally to maintain the High School experience. Driving to a DA 5x a week, all while taking AP classes can be very grueling and not always the best use of everyone's time. Malory Pugh spoke publicly that HS School is "really cool" and that a ban per Girls DA "would effect girls more and boys"
The big problem with the notion of banning HS soccer is that most "Top" players the DA are targeting are still realistic enough to know that a college scholarship is a higher likelihood than making the US Women's National Team. I, for one, value the prospect of a college scholarship more than the outside possibility of a USWNT roster spot for my little Suzie.If ECNL stays aligned with the college model, I for one, would stay with the organization that is geared towards getting her into college(scholarship or otherwise) than the model that gives her a shot at one of 30 Women's National Teams slots.Put simply, I assume that most parents and players are motivated more by collegiate aspirations than by USWNT aspirations. ECNL is run in partnership with the collegiate model. US Soccer attempted to ignore that powerful alliance and step over it in launching the DA. I think everyone is coming to the logical conclusion that they better include colleges and the ECNL in setting things up OR risk launching a DA that is from it's onset at odds with parents, players, college coaches and the ECNL clubs. A development academy that is launched in competition with the existing framework is doomed for failure at worst or for extremely slow acceptance at best.Discussions being help now are likely the ones they should have had before their "leaks".
IF the USSF knows how to train top soccer players and if that requires the commitment they are claiming, why would the DA be watered down? They would not want players that would do things to compromise their development like HS and other sports.
I just struggle to buy that US soccer was caught off guard by any of this. Do they not have significant competence in the organization?
Are you guys paying attention at all to US Soccer? They are largely morons. Read through all of the lawsuit vs. WNT information. They have been working with the womens national team without a contract since 2012. Now that it is an Olympic year, they are worried the women will strike. Why didn't they just negotiate another agreement? They had the past 3-years to do so.Also, do you really think that the way they rolled out the birth yr changes show their competency? They never envisioned many of the issues, such as what are Aug-Dec 8th graders supposed to do? Play 7v7?At the soccer convention US Soccer was nowhere to be found. The whole thing where the age grouping of the DA are different than the new age grouping beginning 2016 for everyone? This does not show competence. What about the mens U-? team just losing to France U-? team 0-5?This does not show competence.
11:25 - great post. I completely agree
11:25 here, US Soccer just sued the women's players union and "erroneously" revealed their personal data like email address and residential addresses in their filing. These guys are not as savvy or competent as we would like to think they are. Their communication stinks, their implementation stinks and their coordination with partners stinks! They are getting blow back and running the risk of an establishment revolt with their heavy handed changes. No high horses here about the establishment = ECNL because there's plenty of outrage to go around. I've actually got to give the ECNL credit for not openly criticizing US Soccer despite their outward stance to marginalize the ECNL. US Soccer needs to do some concensus building within the ranks
I really wish US Soccer would set up something up like "Little League World Series" has for baseball at the youth ages U12 and younger (player locality restrictions rules apply like LLWS). Than move onto a birth year cycle starting at U13 for clubs, leagues etc. It doesn't make any sense to separate the younger generation of kids wanting to play with local friends and giving them excite to play for something vs. just playing to get identified for national products. You know how much endorsements would be gained with a soccer structure equivalent to "little league world series" at the youth levels that feed US Soccer funds and draw other countries to jump in like baseball a mini world cup series.
ECNL Class of 2016: 1,344College Bound ECNL: 1,237Total Players Playing Collegiate Soccer: 1,222Division I: 967Division II, III, NAIA: 266Undecided: 111That's from the ECNL website on Feb 9th. Now you know why US Soccer MUST work with the ECNL in launching the DA. Parents that value college more than 30 USWNT roster spots may simply stay with their ECNL clubs and forgo the "dream".
yes, but these numbers would drop if the da picked up their top 350 or 25 percent or so of girls. Ecnl would be a more aggressive npl. Trust me, I don't think they will pull it off either.
Players valuing college more than pro or national team play are not the targets for the DA.
"The U.S. Soccer Federation will launch a girls’ equivalent of the Development Academy, the nationwide youth league of top clubs intended to groom future professional and national-team players."
Enough with the DA talk and college half the parents that have girls on the blog will most likely not play college anyway. 71% D1 players from ECNL is great but add in all the NPL, Non-ECNL/NPL, and HS players that % is probably less than 10%. So just enjoy as two/three years from now you'll be sitting at home on the weekends talking about your daughter's playing years.I got a good discussion instead of choosing a club which coaches tops the list for 03's? No need to say names but current team would be nice.
2:39pm. Bare in mind that with this birth year change, some clubs may change over coaches. Some clubs have announced it on their websites.
2:28, that's the point I'm making. With ECNL's success at college placement parents and players may decide that their goal isn't USWNT or pro soccer, simply college. Without cooperation the battle lines may become:DA = USWNT and Pro soccerECNL = CollegeIn that case I'm going for college or ECNL because if my Suzie is truly USWNT caliber they'll notice her anyway!You might counter that girls in DA may get into college too, but the fact is the DA's won't want girls playing HS or College and won't put infrastucture in place for those interests. Whereas, ECNL is a college based infrastructure that allows USWNT prospects to be plucked out.It may be a function of priorities. ECNL prioritizes college interests and the DA's will NOT!
Compare/contrast the costs for DA vs ECNL.ECNL will not skip a beat, as there is plenty of money to go around.
DA = ExpensiveECNL = Expensive
If the DA is expensive, then the choice is easy.If the DA is significantly lower, then what?
Changes nothing. If money is no object, do what you want just as you do now. If the budget is tight, you have to choose what fit in the budget just as you do now. The DA may be an option for more families if the cost is controlled.
Just like ECNL, money may not be deciding factor with the DA choice. I contend that time and transportation resources are bigger factors. Many families who do not live close to the training site do not have the time, or the proper transportation to schlep the kidfrom home to practice and back, particularly in single parent situations, and in homes where the parents must work until at least 5 or 6pm. If the ECNL to D1 pipeline is as strong as what is represented, and given the relative limited geographic coverage of the US by ECNL combined with the financial, time, and parent resources required for ECNL participation, there must be a large pool of athletic talent that goes overlooked at the collegiate level.
Players played college soccer before the budget busting (time and money) ECNL (and others like it) came along and they will continue to play in college after it is gone.
Yes that is true, but it looked at lot like high school soccer does today. Great athletes playing kick and run with three back and maybe a even sweeper.
Unless you are really misguided, its a diversion from studies,not the world cup. Life will go on whatever the state of college soccer.
All about the $$$ no matter what.
I have two currently playing d1 in better schools because of soccer. Both are doing very well. There is no diversion to studying, maybe social parties and drinking during season. They are in great shape and have the time and focus while traveling to more than keep up on studies and have the extra help that athletes get if wanted. I have one left and hoping for the same. Yes, I spent some time and money to get them there, but in the end it worked out very well and was fun too. Misguided.
1057 Thx for the insight, just wondering since they are both playing D1 did they also choose the ECNL path at the later stages or younger stages. Your input helps and wish more parents with older siblings post more to help the misguided.
From the “Coaching Academy” show in Sirius XM 2/10/16. Host Glenn Crooks (former Rutgers Coach) is interviewing Anson Dorrance (current UNC Coach and previous US Soccer coach).Crooks ask Dorrance about his thoughts on a Girls Developmental Academy…”First state categorically that the ECNL has done a fantastic job…. They have made the ECNL a viable player development platform. They tried to replicate what was happening on the Academy side with the boys. I have huge respect for the teams. I’m wondering how US Soccer is going to do this. I hope they do it the right way, do it as a conduit to support the ECNL Clubs in the right way, because I don’t think the current system is broken in any way.If there is some sort of marriage between the two groups and some sort of compromise where ECNL and US Soccer sit down together and figure out a way to do it the right way, where no bridges are burned with this wonderful collection of leaders of the women’s game that have put us in a position to be competing for World Championships on a consistent basis. The college game is getting better and better every year. So I’m hoping that there is some sort of effective marriage between US Soccer, Women’s Academy and the ECNL….The ECNL has done an absolutely brilliant job doing exactly the same things that they are doing with the Academy and I think they should be treated with that kind of respect. There’s got to be an open dialogue, sorting out ways to blend the two together in a positive way so no one gets left out and all the best practices are assembled…”Crooks goes on to say that an announcement is “supposed” to happen next week and if it does, April Hendricks will be on his show next Wednesday to outline everything.
I have a son and daughter. Yes ecnl for my daughter and she was went there at u14. I had no idea about ecnl at the time, just knew the club and teams were the best in the state at the time. We got lucky with timing. My younger daughter has been there since u10 and won't lose her spot at u14/u15. If the da happens, we will have tough choice to make. I hated that my son couldn't play high school soccer. I'm just hoping it will take some time to organize and we can avoid it.
1108Thanks. This is a tough one for people to argue against.
Since the ECNL replicated the US Soccer's DA anyway, why would US soccer struggle too much with the girl's side. US soccer DA was the model for the whole endevour. I don't understand the concern except that ECNL may feel they somehow own it now for some reason? They pretty much took US soccer's concept in the first place. Dorrance says as much.
Just some thoughts. I think regardless of your kids station in soccer you should all be for the DA. It will work out to roughlt 650 kids per age year that will go into the DA. So if we assume 80% of those kids are top 10 players on ecnl clubs then there are 500 additional spots to fill into that top 10 ecnl space. So thats great for players 8-18 on an ecnl roster. And great for kids on the cusp of current ecnl. I think the biggest effect may be that top 25 d1 program do less work on the ecnl but that still leaves 275 or so d1 schools looking and you are talking about 150 kids max per year that are going to qualify for those spots. I believe if you have to wonder if your kid can play DA they probably have to work extremely hard from where they are to get there. If your kid is DA quality i think you would have outside verification of that by now. What i like about the DA is the word development. Which is different than what i feel about ecnl showcases. Too many stories of girls going to ecnl schools and focus moves away from individual development. It works ok for college because for the most part they just want kick and run athletes. Most ecnl practice 2x a week and not a ton of work on technical development. At DA you could have technical and team training and agility training every week. This is the right way for the US to get better (yes better) at womens soccer. Do you think steph curry got the way he did by stopping his development in hs or college. No he got there with long term technical work and thats what we lack in this country as a soccer program. When you are on the wnt who cares how many npl games you won? Its how skilled are you with the ball and how strong is your game knowledge.
152 Sorry but I didn't see much skill last night when the WNT play Costa Rica. I think the 1st goal scored in less than 17 seconds was a kick and run play wasn't it. I saw more of the tactical and game IQ side of the game vs. a players individual technical play abilities. Correct me if I am wrong if you saw a different game.
2:06. Thats is exactly why we suck at soccer in this country. It is a very myopic view that because we are winning now using poor methods that we will be winning in 10 years. Yes we have the best athletes but when i saw frances women play last summer there was a lot of skill there. We have two advantages currently over the rest of the world. Athletes and the fact that womens sports in other countries are less emphasized and sometimes discouraged. I hate that we sit on our laurels saying we are the best. Just look at the skill in la liga. Skill wins championships. Not much kick and run in europe.
2:06 you couldn't be more wrongYes, the DCM (Brian) sent a long pass to Lloyd in the center.Lloyd then directed a header to an onrushing Morgan who then slotted home.Check out the Press goal for a technical treat. Which only happened because of possession and a string pass that sent Heath out wide, who crossed in to Press.Their advantage is that they get the premier female athlete.On the men's side, there is more glory in the four major sports and lacrosse.
2:06 - I respectfully disagree. I watched the entire first half of the game last night. There was some nice skill, especially in the first 20-minutes. The first goal scored was actually a set-piece play off of the start that the team had been practicing. I think Lindsay Horan's skills are excellent and she is a welcome addition. Morgan Brian's skills are also excellent. Did you see the speed dribbling of Crystal Dunn? Also, check out this touch by Christen Press. This is phenomenal. https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=us+women+christen+press+goal+vs+costa+rica&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
But I will agree that overall our skills are pretty bad. Kids need to be practicing their skills on their own on a regular basis. Practice twice a week is never going to cut it.
@206 couldn't agree more sorry but the Press goal was when Costa Rica already conceded as for the first half and majority of the second it was all possession from the back and switching before sending over the top balls. Of course WNT is tops they have amazing athletes. Sorry US Athletes puts us on top of many sports categories so many can't it's wrong if the model. Who cares about 10 years from now the world will catch up talk. When that time comes then worry about changes.
People they were playing Costa Rica where the female soccer pool population is less than the state of Delaware. Wasn't a challenge at all for them just a tune up. Let's see the style of play they bring when they play Mexico.
A team from NJ that plays in the Monmouth Ocean Soccer League is in a VA touney that my daughter's team is in. Is that a competitive league? German American Kickers is the team. It is the only nj team coming and it looks like their first out of state tournament.
@1:52 you very misguided in your statements. My daughter plays for an ECNL club and they practice minimally 3x a week and play games 2x a weekend during the fall and spring season. In the winter they still practice 3x a week as well as monthly indoor tournaments and have also been scrimmaging outside when possible. The program she is in works on technical skill each and every practice for at least half the practice. the coach/trainer forgoes tactical training in lieu of technical. he is wise enough to know that tactical will be learned when they get older, but if they don't have the technical what difference does tactical matter. This coaches/trainers philosophy also puts training over winning today in order to properly develop his players. There is no doubt the girls today are much stronger technically then even the girls 7 years ahead of us. stated by a star D1 college player that shows up at our practices and works with the girls when she is in town. What this all means is whether DA or ECNL or NPL or whatever club it has more to do with having a trainer that understands how to properly develop vs focusing on winning because thats what the parents care about. ECNL has done an incredible job working with the colleges and developing players for the next level. This whole DA thing is pure politics and control issues because lets face fact, the structure today is sound, there is no need for DA. On the womens side, we get the best athletes and as long as they are in a great program and train hard they will be identified. You can't buy talent and hard work.
My kid is on ecnl and we never practice that much. What club do you play for?
And talent an hard work certainly cannot buy you into the ECNL or similarly competitive program. That takes a a lot of cash. Maybe the DA can address that that ugly little unacknowledged problem in some way.
My kid plays ECNL also and never trains / plays that much . Wish she did .
Training more than 2x/week leads to burn out.Not to mention a lack of playing other sports and reduced school activities.
147 Sorry to burst your bubble but most ECNL clubs at U14+ require 3x practice and less games. It's balancing the Ratio between development and game play. DA is more than 3x a week.
No they don't. Most don't have the fields to handle this between two teams an age group and boys and girls.
@11:05. Please do share which club practices this much. As you can see other ecnl clubs do not practice as much. I think the rest of your post has a lot of merit. It seems like you are in a good spot. Lucky!There really aren't that many good trainers. I concur that i have had similar feedback from top d1 players about technical skills of these kids. The kids that are very technical will push the frontier and really take our womens soccer to a new level. But DA will be great for those who can get that attention and great for the other kids to get more ecnl playing time. I also think it helps ecnl players from the ecnl giant roster problem. Not all clubs but some who just do it for the money. Without it being de facto #1 league they will have to compete.
using the northern geographic clubs, PDA and WC have facilities at their disposal to accommodate 3x a week training and usually do. I can't speak for Match Fit. maybe that is something that needs to be weighed when deciding which club you have your daughter tryout at. Facilities should be a consideration when DA clubs are selected. Obviously most clubs do not have their own facilities and will influence which clubs get DA status. Here is an interesting topic and i am looking for opinions. Pre-ECNL at U13 and above age do not have free substitution rules. If players come out in a respective half, they are done for that half. Doesn't this contradict the concept of player development? doesn't this cause coaches to not pull certain players in order to protect their fear of falling behind? shouldnt a coach have the opportunity to take player out, coach them on the game plan and then re-insert them into the game? i think once U15 comes it makes sense. does anyone know if ECNL is looking at revising that rule?
Yes it's true the majority of ECNL teams train 3 days - 2 intense training days and 1 tactical. Feel free to contact any of them to find out yourself. Yes substitution rules once out your done for half, it helps for recruiting purpose to assure a child gets the exposure time needed. None of the old fashion a player every 10-15 minutes to make sure equal playing time happens.
No it's not true, ecnl in nj and ny is two days a week. We have never practiced three days and no other teams do. Why do you keep talking about this? I'm sure other ecnl clubs in the south and maybe out west do this, but not here. Tell me of one specific club that does this?
6:56am. True. In fact PDA teams rarely get Winter and Summer training included in their fees. Sure they offer various programs at additional cost at Rutgers etc. As for Matchfit they don't include tournaments in their costs so if you want to attend tournaments then you need to pay an extra amount per tournament. And both clubs charge very similar to ones where you might get 7-10 tournaments included in the same price and where they include winter and summer training. The true cost of ECNL is more money for less training and less games but in a so called "development" model.The DA may succeed because Clubs will get in on their merits, rather than the politically ran ECNL where some Clubs have members on the board overseeing the applications of outside clubs. Who surprisingly don't want competition from new local clubs joining ECNL. The fact that NJ being such a strong soccer state but only having 2 ECNL teams shows you that PDA have far too much pull within ECNL (the amount of effort and time for MF to be successful shows you that).Oregon, Michigan, Washington, Arizona, Missouri, Colorado,, NY, CT, MD, Mass are all States with 2 ECNL teams. I'd argue that the first 5 States are well below the level of NJ but have the same amount of ECNL teams. NEFC up in MA aren't an ECNL Club but if anyone knows the soccer scene up there, NEFC are consistently producing teams who are the best in the State yet can't gain admittance. Use your own judgement why NJ is lagging behind where States such as Texas (9), California (14) have so many (i know they're larger in size before anyone points that out).Plenty of players will get into a college with a scholarship who aren't in an ECNL program. Thats a conversation for 2 years time. Enjoy the present.
All wrong PF trains 3 days a week at u14+ feel free to contact the club for ECNL details on training. Also NEFC is now tied to Boston Breakers which aren't they ECNL. Again this a u12/13 blog so people with older siblings as well such as myself u17 can tell the truth.
839 - I said nj and ny, can you read? Don't tell me I'm all wrong, you have no facts and don't what you are talking about. Talk about PF if that's your club.831 - not worth responding to you. You are a broken down man and it sounds like ecnl has a lot to do with it. I'm sorry for your world...
I did hear that NEFC have a partnership with Breakers but it doesn't make them ECNL as the Breakers are not ECNL. "All wrong" as you would say. FC Boston are the ECNL Club which split from the Breakers in the Fall when Scorpions and FC Bolts merged to form FC Boston. I have an older daughter also so i am fairly familiar with what's going on in the older age group.
@ 8:31: if you can't beat them, join them. Tell us what club you play/coach for, then we can compare. What club offers summer as part of one fee? Never heard of this and I like my summer off. Winter training is included in cost at PDA, very small gym fee use is added.
The reason NJ does not have more is because World Class, Bucks, and PF all have NJ kids on their roster. World Class and FC Bucks struggle to compete. If they were going to add a 3rd. They would have to be careful of dilution.
There are dozens upon dozens up clubs and teams. IF you can't find something that works in this market you are a very tough customer.
Yo 831, would love to know what team can afford to include ten tournaments, winter and summer with one low price? Winter training is always included at PDA and as mentioned small addition fee for indoor rentals. There are coaches that offer additional trainings for anyone to attend. Many club coaches do this, just more people go and pay more, depending on your reputation and resume. Would love to know what clubs do this, but I'm sure we won't hear back from you.
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