244 well it all re-shuffles again next year as the BYC will impact GS points and standings so tournaments will all be phony up and down all tournament brackets for a year. I personally feel Jeff Cup did a great job in balancing the brackets and even took a chance with the U13 top bracket by placing 2 teams with GS points equivalent or less than some teams on the lowest bracket and look they both made it in the finals knocking out some of the best. As teams get older many teams balance out so strong teams in brackets 1 to 4 could of easily been moved around. Point Jeff Cup has done very good in the past years was to try to give teams newer teams they have never played that's the whole experience. Sorry PF didn't receive and GS points this weekend but either way it all resets next year anyway.
Average goal differential in the U13G Jeff Cup Championship division games was 1 goal. 4 out of the 13 games played, or 30%, ended in a draw. Any of the eight teams could have left the tournament as the champion with a few different bounces of the ball. All in all, a very evenly matched division.
2:24I know you think your PF team is awesome but the results arent phony and the teams in that bracket werent that tough. The finalists from the 2 divisions below you all beat the teams in your division regularly. SdfcCherry hill Arsenal MaximusSTA Are all better than all the teams in that division. However jeff cup buried these teams lower in the brackets and it's obvious that these teams were all mis-flighted.
2:24 you also have nothing to complain about. You lost a game. How can you call results phony when you lose a game? Was it a fake loss? Just curious. Would love to hear about the 1-0 loss to boston.
The pf team did not advance fair and square, they had a good tournament and they are pretty awesome. Almost makes me giddy sometimes.
So much for those teams who claim they have supernatural powers to identify potential in players and then develop it.Looks more like they take the most ready made they can find and make excuses when it's not athletic enough.
You can lead a player to the US training center, but you can't develop chemistry without teamwork.PF philosophy :Individual accolades > Team resultsShowcase environment from day 1Good luck with that
FC Bucks won their bracket at Jeff Cup. Rumor has it that they have a couple Penn Legacy girls locked up to move over. They also added a couple girls already for the Spring that are really really good. Looks like that team could be trending up and maybe the team to beat next year. PF is losing some girls. Im sure they will add a bunch with the DA looming. FCC is a pretty good club as well.
Why would PL players drive 1.5-2 hours to play at Bucks?????That has to be one of the silliest things posted here.Embarrassing.
Dam before people were calling out kids on teams now the blog is calling out dads. I'm sure FC Bucks will attract players as teams get older, once again there older teams seem to do fine. Anyway with the so many teams changing can out of curiousty does anyone have details of cost structure for many of the Premier clubs from NPL to ECNL.
10:13 EstimatesECNL Clubs (NJ,NY,PA): PDA/MatchFit/World Class/East Meadow/Penn Fusion/Continental/FC Bucks Tuition: $2600-$3200 (League, Showcases, Coaches cost for training, travel fees) Uniform: Game/Practice/Winter Wear(Jackets etc.)/Bag - $250 to $400 Travel: Hotel/Air fair/Tolls/Fuel/Food - $1800 to $2200 TOTAL: $4650 to $5800 NPL Clubs (NE NPL/EDP/NY NPL leagues) Tuition: $2200-$2800 (League, State Cups, Region 1, Tournaments) Uniform: Game/Practice/Winter Wear(Jackets etc.)/Bag - $250 to $$400 Travel: Hotel/Tolls/Fuel/Food - $1000 to $1400 TOTAL: $3450 to $4600 Again these are estimates and it's all dependent on how much a individual team does.
1051 seems about right can go either way with cost. Now if parents were smart enough you add that up 5 years and that's your child's 1st/2nd year of college tuition. But we do it anyway for the experience and enjoyment of girls youth up bringing.
Correction to 3/22, 1:48 PM RCL Update:Rush Grey has one game remaining and is not yet eliminated from advancement, but does require much help to advance.
That's the way it is for girl's soccer in America. Very high costs PER player. Sport for the affluent except at low levels. Particularly if a family has multiple players. There definitely is a market for strong players that love the sport but need to control these insane costs. That is the tension that exists at more localized clubs that are genuinely trying to fulfill their mission of serving the players in the community and serving their high level players that won't be leaving to teams that cost thousands year. It is like walking a tightrope for some of these clubs and I giev credit to the ones that are surviving. IT is not an easy task.
@8:14No chemistry needed when the director has a conflict of interest and promotes the best (or maybe just the highest donors) from club in his other role as NTC staff. They aren’t much better than the rest of their team. They never make an impact on GNT/camp. (BTW, why does US Soccer permit this?)
Looking for honest evaluations of the following clubs taking into consideration the following.Penn FusionContinentalBucks1. Coaching2. Players3. Facilities4. Parents
Penn fusionCoaching 9/10Players 8/10Facilities 7/10Parents 7/10
3:13 The DOC also promotes his new recruits to US training wether they deserve to be there or not .. Part of his recruiting package .
3:13 pretty sure they make a bigger impact than the girls who are not there.
Until they get replaced by the new flavor of the month
What teams in nj (central to northern) will be strong for 03s next year? I am thinking of looking at sta, tsf, and sdfc. Thoughts on who will have the strongest team? Any other suggestions?
4:16 that's so stupid. Not at all true. It's his name that looks bad if he puts a player in a TC who is undeserving and gets cut right away. Smh
There are still 2002 PL players showing up at PF trainings desperate to get an offer who didn't initially get one like a few of them did. I doubt they are looking at FC Bucks. Isn't that easy 2 hours from Lancaster?
Sounds like they would be better off going to Continental where they will see the field.
How does a player get called into the U14 GNT pool exactly? ID2 camps? Training centers?
10:04 You're right .I should have clarified more clearly .He replaces the current girls he has in the training center who are deserving with the new recruits who are just as deserving but that he made promises to . It's always out with the old and in with the new .
Talk about manipulating rosters I guess that's how PF does it and reason why they have so many players on the national seen along with TC and other identification programs. Way to manipulate the system. I for one am not big fan of Girls DA but at least it will find the truly is deserving not who just know seems like it working for the boys. All respect to PDA and MF for not using the TC as attracting tool to get players.
Again not true. I know of 2 players who came to PF this year (2002 birth year) who attend training center that were already in it when they signed on. Other new ones have not been recommended. Where are you getting facts? Stop trying to stir the pot.
10:17 - PL players are not all from LANCO. They also come from York, Cumberland, Dauphin, Lebanon, Schuylkill, and Berks counties. For some, travel to Bucks would be the same as travel to PF.
Do you own a map or a GPS? York, Cumberland, Dauphin... All farther than Lancaster. Thanks for helping my point though.
Who cares. Why would anyone want to take their kid to FC Bucks unless they can't make PF.
@843 pm - all good choices, sdfc may be hard to get a slot though, nj crush too
10:17 So are these open tryouts that PF is holding for PL girls interested are those the select ones that have already been given roster positions for next year. Just wondering if it's worth even going to tryouts. So can anyone give me estimates of which teams will have any remote chance of opening roster spots for next year.
9:10 - Points from Dauphin, Lebanon, and Schuylkill can be nearly the same travel time, particularly if one is willing to make that long of a trek in the first place just for the opportunity to play in the ECNL regardless of team quality.
8:43Go where they play the best soccer. PdaSdfcStaArsenal MaximusSecond tierNj crush World classThird tier TsfMatch fitAt u16 id say pda mf and wc.
NJ Crush have 4 teams at the u13 age group. 2 of them- Flames and Heat, 90% of both teams are 03s. The other two have 50/50 02s and 03s. If anyone is an 03 and a high level player looking at other programs in the northern nj area, attending a birth year session or tryout would be in your best interest. They already have 60 players who have signed up for the birth year sessions in April.
@10:07 If your daughter is good enough, there will be roster spots at PF. Their homegrown players generally do not stray, so they begrudgingly accept a spot on their NPL team, which are generally very good.PF NPL teams are often better then ECNL teams.
927 Oh please stop with the marketing. PF NPL teams are not better than their counter part ECNL teams.
@ 9:27 you misspelled PDA
Edp is getting pretty watered down. It seems like the north has 4 strong teams folllowed by central with 3 and south with 2. They should really change it to a super group followed by a second tier. SdfcsusaArsenal maxClarkstownPda shoreRush greyCherry hillPipeline Rush blueAll the other teams are significantly weaker than that group.
Nothing like the warm fuzzy feeling you get from not one, not two, but three never seen before guest players at practice! Can't wait for tryouts to be over 😝
Guest players are good. Motivates rostered players to work harder and smarter.
Just saw it on the U14 blog is it true SJEB merged with NJ Rush?
5:23 - I generally agree, but the spring season is still young. Warrington surprisingly played Pipeline close. Rage Athletica can keep any game close, usually by more brute force than skill, but dangerous anyway. Do not discount SuperNova, which is on a mission to prove they belong in the top flights. PHWM is an inconsistent threat, but did beat Rush Grey at Wags and gave Rush Blue and OP Fire a fight at Bethesda.
"Renegade Blue Barons"?
Wow! Does the merger pertain to Rush teams out of Hamilton as well? Birth year was already giving parents a worry feeling now merging both clubs I assume gives even more a worrisome feeling.
3:13 no impact?? Penn Fusion put a starting holding midfielder on the U17 CONCACAF qualifying team. How many clubs did that 9 or 10? They also have a kid who should be starting at forward, but for poorly timed injuries is on reserve U17 team now. There is one playing internationally on the U19s. Another just named to the 14s. One who has was invited at 14 and 16. One who is a regular in international at u18 play. I am sure I am forgetting many. What are you talking about no impact? Must be a CFC dad. No other PA club comes close to PF for the individual accolades and elite college placement. The ECNL coaching is fantastic. If your kid aspires to the ACC, Big 10 or SEC, you couldn't make a better choice. yes my kids play there and we have been very happy. Before you say well my kid is about to take your kid's spot, I say great, I am a conservative and believe that competition improves everything. So please someone say something great about CFC...
So PF is good and making deals and recruiting players with talent but not developing it . Good for you ! Do you want a medal ? I'm guessing you probably do lol
10:41... Ok I'll give you that fact that there are a number of PF players impacting the national scene. That is impressive. But...While the specific soccer coaching may be good, PF truly falls down on the "life lessons" coaching. They allow players to be spoiled brats and premadonnas. They allow players to yell at each other and at the referees. They create a very unhealthy environment for young women. It does not have to be that way.
Enough with the PA talk 1041. PA teams are still way behind NJ soccer clubs in general. (PDA|MatchFit|Rush|SJEB|SDFC|STA) are still greater than any of PA's Pre-ECNL clubs. Keep Preaching PF accomplishments at youth levels as NJ has proven track record of developing players when they get older on WNT when it matters.
I agree . PF is just the dumping ground for the NJ leftovers .
I don't think 10:41 realizes that 99.999% of the players will come nowhere near the national team. Show me a team that puts players on the national team and I'll show you lots of parents paying for their kids to be practice puppets for those players. There is more to the game than x's and o's.Individual accolades are great, but nobody talks about the burn outs or puts them on their web page. Sure, it's great that a few '02s were asked to national camp, but was there any mention of the three players that have already left the '02 team in mid-season???? Personally, we would choose PAC or CFC before PF. Any club that promotes individual achievements and/or trophies is trying to sell you something..... you get what you pay for.
@10:30 I don't think so.. I believe it is just the south location
NJ soccer is actually counter-intuitive to US Soccer as they prefer to play 11v11 at what, U11/U12? While the NJ teams tend to have the advantage at the U12/U13/U14 age groups, things generally sort themselves out at the older age groups.PDA is just a powerhouse and would not blame anyone that left their club to play there. They play in a very fluid manner with efficient possession and dynamic attacking principles. I have not seen SDFC in action, but have heard good things about this team. Is there enough talent to spread around those NJ clubs? Or do they plateau at the U14/U15 age groups?
11:50am. SDFC have two good age groups, their U12s and 13s. Besides that they are pretty weak above and below those. Other clubs in the North are far stronger across the board. Those are the ones that will succeed long term.
I agree with 11:34AM - all you PA peeps - shut your mouth! You are so funny to keep trying to bring the discussion back to you. No one cares about Penn Fusion. The real story is in New Jersey with this NJ Rush / SJEB merger. Can you say POWERHOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure! I'll say it POWERHOUSE!!!!!!
But Rush/SJEB is not ECNL and therefore, by definition, must be second tier because top players are only played by ECNL.
1222 Right on! NJ all together is Powerhouse! NJ North: PDA/Matchfit - NJ South: SJEB/Rush PF you can keep your youth wannabe national players with puppet players surrounding them as 11:34 is correct it's not until U17 - U23+ where national scene is important as much as college recruitment. Also when DA clubs are announce next year it will be a different story for your club anyway.
Penn Fusion Birth Year ID Event2003 birth yearRSVP
Give it a rest PF . We get it , you're having an ID . You're in need of more puppet players . Enough already !
I hope the Rush/SJEB merger goes well.In 2009, WCUSC and Spirit United formed Penn Fusion.In 2013, Spirit left to form Continental/FC Delco.Do your homework.
Spirit left Penn Fusion because they wanted a boys DA.Maybe Rush/SJEB merger puts them in a good spot for Girls DA? If they don't get the DA, the merger may implode. The landscape will continue to change as teams jockey for DA spots, or for whatever the next level below it will be.
Sorry 1:32, but the FC Delco boys academy started in 2007.
FC Bucks going with new coaches next year for U14 and U15.
Again just like we chased away the PF bloggers FC Bucks/FC Delco your clubs are still 2nd fiddler to NJ clubs it doesn't matter how many new coaches you get.
1:39 whats to be sorry about. You are both right.FC Delco had the academy, but they needed a partner to provide fields, coaches, player pipeline. Spirit was interested in leaving Penn Fusion and merging with FC Delco because of their academy. Now ex-Spirit and ex-Penn Fusion coaches are running the CFC Academy.If FC Delco didn't have an academy, Spirit never would have merged with them.
What happened to MFA no PDA tournament?
1:57 FC Bucks coaches are not changing. Just checked their ....... website.
Another up and coming top-tier club would be FC Copa. Not good in this age group, but their style of play really appeals to colleges and other high levels organizations. Just a thought.
HA FC COPA up north ok FC COPA setting up shop in SJ will fall flat alike PDA South as parents will realize the North Branch have the bread and butter teams of the club. When will parents realize this is a business just like SJEB/Rush Merger companies occasionally merge to benefit overall customers.
Copa all about the $$$,the best you will get there is nj D3 schools,you can save your money and get D3 from any town team
Agree COPA is $$$ if your going to spend that much just head to PDA if you feel your daughter has the quality to play on there.
Rush/SJEB merger done to get DA. They were told to do this in order to get DA. No more Rage Renegades, sad to see them go. Coach also replaced by paid coaches who likely aren't as qualified.
"Copa all about the $$$,the best you will get there is nj D3 schools,you can save your money and get D3 from any town team"Idiotic posts like this from parents who think their daughter will go play professionally is what really makes me laugh. Stop spouting opinions and look at the facts, Copa sends more kids D1 than they do D3. Look at their girls teams u15 and up. Playing in top flights at tournaments like Jeff Cup and CASL showcase, and beating ECNL teams that have national level players on the roster. They teach their players to play properly at a young age, not worrying about wins, losses, rankings, anything like that. Knowing that these players will grow and and learn to play soccer the right way. As for Copa South, I agree on that, it seems like a looming disaster.
203 I'm calling bull on the DA stuff every club is trying it on the girls side. They merged to cut overall cost down for both clubs like 1100pm said it's a business. What blows me away why not merge the Hamilton Rush club and Southern Rush club meet in the middle somewhere? What will happen to Hamilton Rush now will they end up merging with someone soon.
215 many here are referring to COPA South as I think Copa North is well handled.
youth soccer is all business. however, If the merger was done to keep cost down, they would have merged the entire club. The academy's will continue to operate individually but the older teams will have more opportunity for showcase tournaments etc. don't see how that is a bad thing for the players. seems like both clubs are looking out for the players in the long run which i respect. it's the nut job parents that are the issue regardless of what club you are from, everyone has them.
> Strong teams in the North/CentralLots of great options, but the best way is to go for what clubs call "age group training" or just call a coach and go to practice. If your kid is athletic and skilled, any team will take her. Few warnings though:- Arsenal is moving the team to 2002 bracket, they are looking for exceptional players- SDFC is skin deep only: only B team at U14, no B team in U13, B team in U12 is no better than a town travel team. SDFC is famous for playing 70 games a year, and with that type of preparation, they should not be losing 5:0 to PDA. My sense is that their "2003" team will rock, and the 2004/2002 will require skillful recruiting to rebound.> How do I get into NTC/ID2. You have to play for ECNL and be observed/invited OR you have to play for PDP and be recommended by DOC of club/PDP. ID2 invites for 2002 are already done, 2003 will be invited in the fall.
215pmRA thanks for your reply,but read your commitment list 95%D3 schools,dont try to fool the people
5:50Concerning id2. Invites have gone out for spring but fall id2 is for 02 and will be inclusive of the very top 03. Most likely from ecnl clubs. Probably 5/50 id2 girls. Invites seem to go out 3-4 weeks before camp. "the fall 2016 id2 Training Camps will also extend to top girls born in 2003."I would be surprised if its much more than a handful of girls.
My daughter was at copa for 1 year,the worst experience for a young soccer player you thing about.now at a club where the player matters,just stay away.
Do you have to tell your coach if you are going to a try out at another club? Our club has said we must tell them if we are going to other try outs. They said it is a small community and they will find out from the coaches at other clubs when they "hang out" together. Can you share thoughts, opinions, experiences on this topic?
Unless your club is willing to sign an agreement guaranteeing a roster position at a certain level prior to tryouts, then it is entirely inappropriate to discourage tryouts at other clubs. It makes perfect sense to have a backup plan in case a player doesn't make the cut at her club of choice. It also makes sense to make the current coach aware of such a plan as a matter of courtesy. Of course, its a vindictive world, and some clubs expect loyalty to be a one way street. So, there is always a risk that trying out at other clubs, even if just as a backup plan, will be seen as disloyalty and result in the player being cut. Unfortunately, its a cruel world and life lessons start early. My daughter didn't make the "A" team as a U9, but she worked hard, performed well on the "B" team, and finally earned a starting position on the "A". However, BYC may squeeze her out of that starting role given the competition within the club an age group below and above her. I have encouraged her to try-out with other clubs in order to have a backup plan, but she wants nothing to do with other clubs. I don't see her accepting a "B" team offer if she doesn't make the "A" team with her current club, so come May she may find herself without a team if she gets squeezed out by the BYC. If that happens, I suppose its a lesson learned for her. However, do not tolerate a club that discourages a player from keeping options open. A good club should support the player.
If you like your club, but are concerned about playing time, then you should notify your coach that you will be trying out at other clubs. If they are concerned about losing your daughter, then they would make the effort to try and keep her.Some clubs will try to strong arm you into being fearful of going anywhere else. That is not the club I would want to be at. It is always best to be honest about your plans, but be prepared move on. You would not want your current club to find out you've been sneaking around to other tryouts, in which case your daughter will either be cut or relegated to lower teams.I know of at least two PAE clubs that have dropped kids because their older siblings left to play elsewhere. Be honest. Don't burn bridges. It's more important to get playing time and develop than it is to be on a team that focuses on winning.
This is my daughter's first year playing club soccer and she made the C team last May. She plays CM and rarely comes out of the game. She has great size and is very athletic, but needs to work on her skills. She has been guest playing and attending some practices on the A team. She plays more defense and wing and gets less minutes on that team. So as far as skill development goes (barring other factors), would it be better to stay on the C team if she makes the A team?
Is B-team not an option? What does your daughter want?
Train as high as you can, but play where the minutes are.If you can swing time playing for both teams, go for it.
1128 If she training and competing with A team she needs to stay there and win minutes for playing time. She will not develop the game speed(quacking with and without the ball) with the C team. I assuming since your in this blog she is going U14 or 15 so its time to give the A squad a shot.
Thanks for the input. The C team is new to the club and it turns out that C has better coaching and players than the B team. My daughter likes both teams and coaches (A and C). She was playing rec last year at this time and plays a little tentative at midfield on the A team. She will need to develop confidence this spring in order to play midfield on the A team next year. My fear is she only play defense on the A team and does not give herself the chance to develop at midfield when she easily has the size and speed to play there. We will have this discussion with the coaches when the time comes. Oh, the A team is a little more about winning than the C team. I'm sure things will work out fine, and again thanks for the feedback.
Developing as a defender will help her midfield game
5:50. I just did a little research. It looks like even in glendale last month there were some 03 players. It seems like at all these camps there are about 10-20% under age players. But it is still most definitely an 02 cycle through 2016.
Alright here is some truth. These "clubs", "academies" are not the be all end all. The TMs, MOs, and MFs are not the almighty. If you have your daughter playing at a decent team and do the marketing and research you can get them to the next level. These "professional trainers" are not so professional. They care about marketing their club with the 1% of the 1%. Remember this is their job not their calling. We all need to wise up and stop listening to the accents and reading their websites. I really like some of the girls they exploit and appreciate their talent, I really do. But for the rest of our daughters we need to relax and realize they will not earn a living playing soccer. Stop letting them ruin the best years of our kids lives. This year is especially trying with the DA looming and age year change. Nobody has thought about the girls in all of this. US Soccer only cares about the chosen few. I have said what I needed to say and I hope my daughter enjoys the next three years playing in high school and for her club. Its going to be different. She will have different teammates I am sure. but hopefully its everything she dreamed and I dreamed it would be. Just a mothers wish !
MFA is nothing but lies. I took my daughter to a few open trainings. Gave them the benefit of the doubt so went back twice. What a waste of time. Coach tells me your daughter can have a spot since a few key players left. Who says that without seeing her play... Run while you can!
If she went to trainings they saw her play. You know what is a much bigger 100X problem than clubs like MFA, soccer parents like you. Post above had some good points. Stop looking at these clubs like they are the NY Yankees. Most are run by volunteers or guys and gals with good hearts trying to scratch out a living. They don't claim to be the greatest coach ever. I am a parent who has had 3 kids at different clubs including the big ones.
@458 don't know what happened. U went to open training and your kid was offered a spot. Isn't that how it goes? (Ps this is a rhetorical question - but I'm not sure what else you wanted?)
My point being.. The training was awful.. Coach wasn't even there. All the girls did was scrimmage. Sorry for the confusion. I also have 2 kids in different clubs.
@4:58 I totally understand they'll take anyone whose willing to pay... He doesn't care about this age.
@458. Your post didn't say that at all. Yes they are apparently having some issues. But this age group still beat pda recently both at npl and preecnl lately. So they are doing something right
Training with the U14 ECNL team looks like it's making the U13 team better. Avoid the noise, the move of the ECNL teams and all the NPL teams to Denville is hard on a lot of families. That is understandable but I wish people would just say that instead of slamming the staff, who IMO are a solid group.
2 coaches coaching all those ECNL teams is a problem. Yes, moving to Denivile everyone knew it was coming. They will lose most of the girls. That's probably why they will take anyone at this point. Lots of changes everywhere..
@3:12 most of the u13 are not returning to MFA in the fall.. Very short spring.
@402. So ur saying my kid has a chance! Lol. (Que dumb and dumber music) Looks like there will be a lot of spots and tryouts are Monday.
Heard MFA had a parent's meeting with Mercer U-12 team and told them all ECNL practices would be up north at Morris Catholic. What did they tell the U-13 Pre ECNL team in their parent meeting?
No need for tryouts. They will take everyone.
That has beem communicated ECNL and NE NPL are in Denville. They could not have been more clear. The Mercer teams are EDP. Some talented kids there, but that's a tough ride to practice.
The 2003 kids are in a good spot at MFA, if they are willing to make the trip. 2002, are not is as good a spot because the player pool at MFA that come from the North is deep and talented.
Agree... He doesn't care much about the younger girls.
This past weekend in the RCL:Girls U13 Elite RedNORDIC SC PREMIER (no report – snowed out?)KINGS FC PREMIERGirls U13 Elite White 0 – ARUNDEL PUMAS3 – SDFC RAGE1 – NEW JERSEY RUSH GREY0 – CENTURY V PGH FC GOLD0 – VINCENT UNITED INTEGRITY3 – SDFC RAGE0 – VINCENT UNITED INTEGRITY1 – CENTURY V PGH FC GOLDGirls U13 Elite Blue 0 – EMPIRE UNITED BUFFALO BLUE2 – GREATER BINGHAMTON UNITED REDGirls U13 Elite Gray0 – PWSI COURAGE RED0 – LEE MOUNT VERNON PATRIOTS REDThe season is still young in the northern tier Red Division. It still looks to be a showdown between North United and Northern Steel out west in the Blue Division. They meet this Sunday, 4/10. Rush Grey gives SDFC Rage a helping hand in the White Division by taking one from Century. The White Division is now SDFC’s to lose. Southwestern is the only team left with a chance to catch SDFC, and to do so, it must win all three of its remaining games and Century must beat SDFC on 4/16. Southwestern’s next hurdle is Herndon this Wednesday, 4/6. All games remaining in the Gray Division are for pride as HMMS has already clinched. The RCL Semi-Final and Final are scheduled for 5/7 and 5/8 at Kirkwood.
Any predictions on the PDA tournament this coming weekend?
1200 - PDA tournament prediction:RedFC Stars v. Rush Blue > FC StarsWhitePDA Shore v. PDA Nova > PDA NovaBluePDA North v. FSA > FSAGoldTwin County v. Rush Grey > Rush GreyPlatinumLVU v. Alleycats > Alleycats
Rage best player won't be there, different team without her. I would think Pda will/may have one or two missing, but they are much deep team and shouldn't matter as much.You know you picked the stars npl team, right? Any chance you want to revisit these picks?
153 and how do you know all this inside scoop?
1:35 If FC Stars NPL is the team in Red Group A, then I will amend to give the group to PDA Galaxy, with the note that PDA is homering the group to place FC Stars NPL that high. However, I will still give the flight to Rush Blue. I am sure that there are differing opinions as to who the best Rush Blue player is, but when under pressure or stress, the team can sometimes do better with a change to its offense. Amended pick:PDA Galaxy v. Rush Blue > Rush BluePlus, placing Rush Blue to take on Pipeline yet again is just wrong. Pipeline would be my second pick to advance out of Group B. Pipeline is a much improved team over what PDA saw last year and it would be interesting to see what the result would be if they played each other.
Just like Jeff Cup there will be a surprise winner at PDA Tournament which I think will be NEFC, but like many have said it doesn't matter because no GS points are awarded.
2:17 - I believe 1:53 may be making a reference to the id2 Training Camp, April 7-10, 2016, at WRAL Soccer Center, Raleigh, N.C.
229 sounds like a rush blue parent that didn't know their teammate would be missing, and I agree that I wouldn't want to play pipeline again if I were you. Hey, but that's what you get when you play 15 tournaments a year. You think PDA is counting how many times you played them or cares.
In other news, initial results from the first round of PA State Cup:FC Revolution Rowdies,3Montgomery United, 0YMS Tempo, 3Penn Legacy Black, 0LVU Elite, 2FC York Elite, 0First round games continue next weekend.
The fact that Arsenal Maximus is staying together is mind boggling to me. What are the 03s thinking making such a big error. If your ever going to look for a different team or put yourself in a good atmosphere, it would be these coming tryouts since the BY move is so big. Maximus "gets by" even now. They are no where near the best team in Nj, yes they have beat some good teams but who hasn't? TSF, Arsenal B team, Freehold, Crush have even beat good teams at one point in their seasons. All this tells about the parents on this team is they think their daughter is above and beyond their age group. Maximus has NO teams from u14 and up expect a northern counties teams. They have NO teams u13 and below and their second team (Arsenal u13) are not good at all. If you can't even compete in the top 5 of the region at u13, what in the world do you think your going to do with all the best u14 players moving down? I'm surprised these 03 parents are not looking elsewhere.. Or are they?It gets to a point at u14 and up you can't only look at the coach, but the club. Look at the older teams and what they have done. How many kids are in college. What level are they at. What are the other coaches ability like? These parents are following a coach who has no background with other teams, have no other teams to pull from.. It's a sinking ship. Can't wait to see this come 02. STA, SDFC, TSF, Crush, Stallions, World class, Cedar Stars are all teams in a 10 mile radius of Maximus and all have great u13/14 teams. Make the right decision Maximus parents. Your team is not good
So it sounds like rush blue has a kid going to id2. Any pda galaxy going? Any match fit u13? Anyone else? I think a few pda u14 and sta u14are going.
Rush and Galaxy will be strong, but Pipeline has been coming on strong the last half a year. It should be a fun tournament. It will be an interesting match up of varying playing styles. Rush is for sure a counter attacking super-athletic team and Galaxy is a more possession oriented
5:10 sounds like your kid didnt make the team. Very personal attack. So your comment about 02 strength sdfc will be very strong 03 weak 02. Crush will not be great at 02. Stallions has no current 02. Tsf cant play soccer. Sta will be strong to very strong. My kids team played arsenal beat them last year got crushed by them this year. They are a lot better now. A potent offense. As for playing up its a question of what comes quicker. Getting a new group to gel together more quickly than the tightening age gap. Yes so they are going to play up but its more akin to playing up a half year. Its ok to challenge kids. really comes down to how deep your talent pool is. With the exception of pda i think many will struggle with the change. Do i think maximus will be the best 02 team no? But i bet they will be better than many. My guess is they will be 4-7 in nj. But your comments sound very personal and uninformed.
US Soccer just sucks right now. Plain and simple. i'm so suprised that there hasn't been more discussion up here about their unfair treatment of the USWNT and their compensation. The USWNT is probably the most recognized sports team in the world, easily the most important american team at any time other than maybe the dreamteam with michael jordan. I don't want my daughter playing professional though I'm sure in her head, she'd love to do so. It's disgusting that someone pays a lesser performing male more than a way outperforming female. Then add in the absolutely stupidity of this age change, the sillyness of detraining kids with headers, and the attempts to have the girls mirror the failing mens academy system when a highly successful ECNL system already exists.US Soccer is a joke.
Can anyone please tell me the comparison in club fees from the top NJ clubs like PDA, STA, SDFC, NJ Crush, TSF etc compared to what I pay currently in town travel.
1022 - agree 100 percent. I just hope enough other people agree. The only positive here will be that ecnl will have to change for the better. They are far from perfect.
1024, best guess, all those programs that go three sessions per week in fall winter and spring, with professional coaches are probably 2800 to 3000 including apparel but not including your costs to travel to tournaments (hotels, food, gas). with your all-in for tournament travel probably more towards 4500 to 5000. Hotels are $150 or so per night x 1 or 2 nights x 3 or 4 tournaments, plus food plus fuel. makes a quality town travel program seem pretty attractive if you can add in supplemental training . aint cheap. Over 8 years, probably amounts to 2 years of college tuition.
1048 your right on! People seem to forget that the amount of money spent can add up and equate to other things, but the experience is also the factor. So to those that have gone through it with older siblings what is the average % of college money does middle of pack player truly get. I'm sure the top 100 players in a region are full rides but what about the 101 to 250. Can anyone chime in on your experience ECNL or Non-ECNL.
What US soccer does or does not do is completely out of the control of any youth soccer customer so they cannot waste too much too worrying about it. They are in search of the best soccer experience they can find and afford for their player and there are some choices to wade through.Hopefully the legal system will do its job and force compliance with the equal pay for equal work law.
Our practices have been chopped up with girls trying out for for other teams, not at practice. its almost like the entire process so far is about coping with this reshuffling. I don't blame them and we've gone to a few as well. My husband spoke to our coach, looked him in the eyes, asked what he thinks, he tells us sincerely what he thinks will transpire, but it offers so little clarity. Our 2002s on the U13 are strong, the 2002s on the U14 are not at that the same level. Good but lesser. There is talk about new bodies coming in, who really knows. The 2003 parents are just as unsure as the same exists with the U12 girls. We scrimmage them now and then. Nice kids, but they are a year behind any way you slice it. Everyone is scratching our heads and guessing how this will shake out. Who will be the coaches, what girls will comprise the team, what the training schedule will look like, how many tournaments they do or don't do, which tournaments? summer select schedules, etc. how long would it take for the girls to figure out how to play with one another if you believe team unity adds to the quality on the field. The biggest is who will get the GotSoccer points. Its not insignificant as those points help seed you in tournaments let alone get you entry into the prestigious tournaments that offer showcasing opportunities. Seriously, how the heck are clubs going to figure out the points and which squad gets which squads previous points totals? YOu can't say that points going into U15 or u14 don't matter. Speaking to friends at other clubs and the coaches at the tryouts we've attended, it seems most are in the same boat. This whole thing seems just so unnecessary. After all, didn't creating the Girls DA solve the issue of targeting and identifying and segregating the best of the best of the best??10000+ in agreement, US Soccer sucks for paying the women less than men! and screwing up a great soccer landscape for every kid in the country, not just the top tier like the kids of parents reading this site.
I dont follow your argument on points. Why wouldn't the team just continue with the points they have after the season end? do points reset to zero after each season?
Yes but is the current U13 team the U14 team or the U15 team next fall? Half the players go to one age and half go to the other. Maybe more than half.
We were told that next year's 2003 team will have this year's u13 team's points, the 2002 team will have the current u14 team's points. Has anyone else heard that?
1:27. I think he is referring to the following scenario. U14 2000 ptsU13 15000 ptsU12 3500 pts02 is u14 and u 13. Lets say you choose to assign the points there. So 15000 to that team. 03 is u13 and u12. They would then use the u12 points or 3500. So 03s on current u13 team would effectively lose those points.
5:10 haha.There are clubs that need depth to survive and there are teams that recruit well. Arsenal Maximus program can recruit very well (Region 1 players, id2 players, RTC players). They train hard and play well. They certainly have a core 2002 group that belongs in the 2002, and their 2003 team mates are just as strong. They will do well, they have played up in the past.If they sucked, WC or Stallions wouldn't be begging them to join.
@1:48 that is what we were told, I think the assumption (though not true in many instances) is that all teams are about equally as strong points wise so no one is losing points. But if you have one strong team in the middle of two weaker teams the younger players on that midlle strong team do lose their points. It's not perfect but I think it is better than wiping out all points and just starting everyone at zero.So here is what we were told-U12 team (03/04) with 15,000 points U13 team (02/03) with 18,000 pointsU14 team (01/02) with 10,000 pointsFall 2016-U13 team (04)- 15,000 pointsU14 team (03)- 18,000 pointsU15 team (02)- 10,000 pointsIs it really any different than what is going on with region 1 play? the winners of the current u13 region 1 season, would qualify to play something (champions league?) next year- so will it be the 03 or 02 team who gets to play? I thought I read on here that it will go to the 02 team. Correct me if I am mistaken.
Ha - What are the Maximus girls going to do when 3/4 of their mates go to high school the following year? I think these parents know this program has one year left and they are looking now.
2:38 - 2002 birth year will be U15 next year and 2003 birth year will be U14 next year.Current U13 is 02/03 mix. Of that mix, the 02s become U15 and the 03s become U14 next year.Under current rules, the RCL champion and runner-up receive berths in the NL for the next season. So, without BYC, the current U13 teams would be competing for U14 NL slots next year.However, I have heard, like you have, that because of BYC, U13 teams are effectively competing for U15 NL slots because of where the 02s will be next year.But, also under current rules, there is a requirement that a NL team must have no less than 9 players on its roster that were on the roster of the qualifying team. Depending on a team’s current birth year distribution between 02s and 03s, there might not be 9 players left on a roster from a qualifying team.Also, if current U13s are competing for U15 NL slots, how will all of the U14 NL slots be filled next year when the current U12s are not competing in RCL, but only state and regional cups.It becomes obvious, that new NL rules will need to be established to accommodate the BYC.
3:23 :What is your issue/fixation with maximus Mate?What did they do to you? If they have issues with high school you would guess that they are well aware. Is the team 50/50 7th and 8th?I just dont understand why you keep attacking that team.
Is it the same maximus thats eanked #5 in nj and 22nd in the country. They must be terrible with rankings like that.
Tons of respect and pride to the fine ladies on our USWNT!! Yeah, Abby screwed up but she didn't murder anyone. Yet, as a group, they basically decided to go head on against their employer, top of the pyramid for what they think is right. Its not their belief, its everyone's belief that they should no way be earning so much less than the men! You go girls! I think everyone stands behind you gals!
I think this team is more like number two in the state, they are better than sta and SDFC. I also think they are more like number 5 in the country, got soccer isn't always perfect.
Which teams majorities are 02 and which ones 03. I heard sdfc and crush u13 willBe mostly 03.
Looking at maximus recent results they just beat STA and wallopped SUSA who finished #2 f2 jeff cup. And maximus won their jeff cup flight.
@4:02 I do not understand what you are saying. This year's u13 teams are a combination of 02 birthdays from August-December and 03 birthdays from January through July (or later if there are girls playing up). u13 next year will be 2004 only, not 2003. It is not a choice.
@4:19Im asking what the breakdown of different teams u13 are or you can say where the talent lies. So SDFC Rage will play 03 and crush most talent i think is 03.
President Obama should be sitting down the heads of US Soccer. Had the girls to the white house, claimed "bad ass", something NOONE has ever said about the USMNT. And yet his government subsidizes and funds a systematic discriminatory practice of paying women less than men for the same, or better job. You can read so many interesting articles on the topic including some that talk about boycotting the men, etc. US Soccer should solve the problem, pay women properly rather than their goofy defense of a crappy position.
Now I understand @4:42. I do not know the breakdowns of those specific teams, but I would assume that around half are 02 so plenty of room for new players to make either team. I expect that to be the case almost everywhere and that clubs will be actively recruiting from outside to find 2003 girls from u13 teams as opposed to just moving up the 2003s from the u12 teams because the current u13 2003's have been playing at a more competitive level than the u12 2003s.
Next year will be a starting fresh situation for everyone, SDFC, Crush, PDA, Maximus, STA, the list goes on, noone is exempt whether you are staying together or playing up. Each has major risks and major rewards. Time will tell.
Sorry i meant other teams besides sdfc and crush. Looking to do some tryouts.
3:23 only WC and Stallions trolls who wanted to take over Maximus' talent would try to convince parents to split.
3:23 please enlighten us with what you think the maximus girls should do? You must be a much better coach than the one they have the way you attack them on this site. Wc and stallions both garbage in u13 u14. And classless if thats the case.
There is a great video that the US Women put out regarding this lawsuit and what its truly about. great great video. ill see if i can get the hyperlink. i accessed it through the NWSL supporters site.And in the world of gross acts, someone said that US Soccer sent a subtle message that if they adjusted pay, they'd be forced to save monies elsewhere which could include pulling the financial support of the NSWL. Whoa thats low!!
If true that they threatened their support of NWSL if they have to match pay, they should be relieved of their jobs immediately, terminated and sent packing. If we all wanted to do something , we should find who we petition or how to support the action brought by the women. I think we all probably have huge affection for that team and can personalize their struggles since it very well could be someone's daughter one day.
Abby messed up something awful. Who in their right mind tells the cops about their using cocaine and weed a decade earlier if you're pulled over for a DUI? the DUI is wreckless , but blabbing to the cops is just stupid. She muddied up the USWNT's suit for equal pay a bit.
Maximus has an excellent trainer and a very good team. The issue with them is that they only play to win. The manager claims it is about development but it is really for the development of the top 11 or 12 players. They have no problem sitting girls for an entire game or only playing them 5-10 minutes a game, which happens more often then not. That is not development of all the players as they claim when they recruit. If your daughter is very strong and can get playing time, it's a great place. If she will be the 13th or higher player, then accept she will not see much of the field during games. At this age, most teams aren't all about winning, they are. As long as you know that and accept it, then go for it.
Please read article. Another simple analogy would be a law firm. Let's say two senior partners, one a male and one a female didn't have equal pay. Let's say the female partner billed 1.5million and the male partner billed 500k. Should the male partner make equal pay? NO.Folks, there is something called revenue and for what it's worth, the men's side has much more coming it's way. This is just simple economics, nothing else.http://www.businessinsider.com/womens-small-soccer-salaries-are-fair-2015-7
They did not do equal work in that scenario. It is equal pay for equal work for the same employer.
Did I hear Maximus #2 in NJ? Thanks mommy or daddy for that. Congrats on the 4th flight in Jeff cup. Glad you drove 7 hours to play a team that is 30 minutes from your home. The only thing they have won within NJ is indoor state cup where 2-3 good teams even attend, and a small sided state cup. When you actually beat through a good amount of NJ teams, when you win your league, when you win something that is not in the 3-5 bracket, then speak up. Your a good team, nothing else. There are 15 "good" trams at the u13 age group, there are 3 very good teams, unfortunately you aren't one of them. Your 03s who are remaining on the team for next year are nut jobs. Clueless. You will have a very big wake up call. Good luck ;-)
A partner in a law firm is also not an employee. They are a partner.
so what about about female golfers, if they win 5 tour events a year, should they make the same as a male who wins 5 tournaments a year?What about two prostitutes, one is hot and one is not. Should they be paid equally for the same amount of work? why does the ceo of Jnj make more than the ceo toysrus? I'm sure they both work equally as hard.
10:39. Since you brought it up. Rankings and tiers. In nj two national level teamsPda galaxyRush blueNext tier very good teamsSdfc Pda southMaximusRush grey STa. Next tier good teamsCherry hillPda crewNext tier decent teamsPda shore waveCrush nplTsfCrush heatSjeb
I'm not sure there is any set of criteria that i've read from financial figures, to estimate of goodwill, to being the marquee sports team that suggest the women should be paid 1/4 of what the men earn. There is only one justification, that these are women, that many years ago their only place was in the kitcken, that while we enjoy having them in the work place, they can not be taken seriously, and can not really contribute very much. There is no way anyone knowledgeable about soccer would ever elect to watch the women's game versus the men's game. It doesnt matter that the men generated a loss while the women's earned a 7$mil profit. it doesn't matter about X world cups and Y olympics, and that women's soccer is probably the most popular, fastest growing sport in the country. These are women and they should be grateful for whatever w pay them. That is really the only justification I can imagine for paying them less. And its disgusting. Just vile. Does anyone actually think the men's team at any point in the next 2,3 years will be taken seriously? they just lost 2-0 to guatamala and almost got booted from World Cup qualifiers. I love them too. i do. They try hard. but lets be real, the women making 1/4 as much? Its prejudicial and they will win in court, and US Soccer will have a massive smear on its face.
FIFA outsted ex prez Blabber face basically said he didn't follow the game, and really didn't know much about Alex Morgan. Just shows the mentality of most to the women's game. After this last world cup, and the energy the US Women helped generate in Canada, this has to change.
It's all about Cash Flow as MNT and WMT under the same umbrella are ran as two different entities. In reality soccer in U.S. does not generate enough revenue at all. Look at the most recent NCAA final four (National broadcasted w/ numerous cooperate sponsorships with TV networks and commercial ads) = $$$ for conferences. ACC conference alone will get 40 million. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15071018 Same goes with the 4 major sports in U.S. (NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB) profits are coming from national recognition in the TV Networks and corporate sponsorship. Athletes make additional $ from Endorsements. National Men's and Women's teams doesn't even get televised unless it's a World Cup or Olympic game. Plus with a 90 minute match of continued clock when is there a chance for a cooperation to purchase commercial time besides Halftime. Without Cash Flow for WNT then increase salaries are difficult.
The law says equal pay for equal work. The court will make a determination. IF a female golfer and a male golfer are employed by the same organization for the same work you can pay either less than the other based on their gender. I do not think pro golfers are typically employees in the sense that that the men's and woman's national team members are employed by the federation, so I doubt this would ever be the case.
meant to write you CANNOT pay either less the other based on gender if they have the same employer and do the same work.
They have a better chance than other athletes and entertainers and I'd guess they win or settle. Easy way for the Federation to make this work is pay them all the same scale with some type of profit sharing. Going to be very hard and ugly for them to claim that it's not equal work.
i think they should all quit and play somewhere else that's more fair, like the men's team. And my always told me to never argue with a women, so I agree one hundred percent with the above poster.
I think they should let women try out for the men's team and let the men tryout for the women's team. Settle it on the field.
I think I am glad my daughter lives in this country where woman vote and demand protections for the fair treatment of our daughters and sons.
I think the USWNT should play in bikinis or at a minimum all spandex.That would definitely draw some viewership.Yay misogyny!
It's should be all based on sports performance just like any other sport, you perform great you get a big contract. The only difference is U.S. Soccer is not contractual as the 4 major sports U.S. National teams can move you in and out at every training sessions. Why do you think there is roster updates every month.
That's not fair. You should not be able to get cut, they should have tenure, like the unions.
306 Agree even though the WNT pulled up teenage girls onto the squad that are extremely great players there are 100's of potential College and NWSL players that could easily made the roster as well and been difference makers. So is there Child labor laws in affect since there is 17 year old players called up without some type of great compensation pay.
Question for any current u13 PF parents. How often does TM miss trainings? Is he at most all of them or should parents expect the assistant to be running most trainings?
The men need to draw viewers more than the women. Make those shorts shorter boys.
Pf parent here. In the fall tm was head coach and rarely missed. In winter/spring ss is head coach. I have no reason to doubt tm attendance won't meet expectations
@10:39I made a pretty accurate rankings list. Lets see your top 15.
Rankings are completely subjective if you dont use a well defined, calculated metric like Gotsoccer or TopDrawer, others. I'm not defending them but they have a purpose mainly to feed parent ego, to give tournaments a preliminary way to seed stuff, and to make GS tournaments more attractive than non-GS events.If you dont use a metric, the alternative is a parent who hasn't seen a team in years, if ever. And even if they did, would they know what they were looking at? would a team that lost 2-0 be considered "better" in the minds of the winning parents despite the fact that the losing team out possessed, out shot, out played the winning team who simply had, for example, a killer goalie while the losing team's coach was trying to teach the girls a new formation at the expense of being more competitive. Would parents see that quality or simply look at scores? Gotsoccer does not see the quality, just results. In 2,3 years, this all becomes a memory and they each go their own way, hopefully to fun, enjoyable careers at a great academic institution. I wish I had taken things more slowly with my older daughter as it was over way too quickly. Try to enjoy it a bit more, it really is an amazing time in their lives and your lives. It will be over before you know it. Screw the rankings.
So lets re-word the question. If you had to make a list of 5 teams to develop your kid as a soccer player in new jersey, which teams would you choose?
By track record, PDA and MFA have no peers. I'd put NJ Crush, Stallions, and Wildcats next.
9:51 I think you answered a different question. The one you answered is more valid for showcasing/exposure to colleges. Then it becomes an ecnl vs the world question. Most kids are developed at other clubs then go ecnl. Also it was actual teams not clubs. This is more to identify the top clubs at development. What actual u13 teams will make your daughter a better player than when she got there. My list based on kids ive seen outside their clubs. Pda galaxySdfc rageSTA nplarsenal maximusNj crush heat
What a set up question, you probably should have waited a few more hours to respond to yourself.
Where is crush coming from as a top spot, what a joke.
Where is crush, never seen them play in any real event. Looks like they have three teams at this age, that tells me they are more about cash then training. And stallions? They talk about a one team wonder that was not even their team and the poor girls had to jump to 4 clubs before settling in for last two years.
The only people talking about how crush is a money maker, clearly don't know what they are talking about. I pay 2600 a year for crush and they train 3x a week, twice a week during winter and 6 tournaments both state cups and NPL league The club also offers an extra two sessions in the winter and fall/spring for certain players called CAS. Only a select group though. My daughter was part of this so the last 8 months of our crush experience she has trained 4 times a week and plays as many games and tournaments like other clubs. TSF SDFC and Maximus all cost 3000 plus. Crush have 3 teams, two who can compete (might not win) with any team in state. Next year their 03 team will compete with anyone around. Let's not forget crush u12 have won back to back state cup titles. Don't guess.. Go take a look for yourself. There is a reason why their first birth year session has over 95 kids signed up for the 03 team. Only 30 of them being actual crush players. My daughter is safe so the more players, the better ;-)
Response to 8:58am post, nj crush has the following: 5 players part of PDP (what gets you to ID2)5 players part of ODP3 players part of NTC (national training center- gets the likes of us national staff in attendance) For a "club" and not an academy like pda or match fit.. Seems to be the place for individual development and reaching success. You find two teams outside pda that have that many players in participation in high level ID camps like the two nj crush teams do
10:05. Which two clubs?
10:14, Agreed! He's always been a pot stirrer up here, first it was for the Stallions and now Crush. Top programs don't need to tout themselves up on anonymous blogs. You have nice parents and nice kids, but you just never stop up here do you? T minus 90 seconds till the "its not Danny, you're wrong"
Crush is much more expensive than the 2600, they dump fees on top of you all day long, but so do other clubs.As for the u12 state cup, this was 9v9 and all the top teams played 11v11, nice try. All of the best girls have left that team and most of the others. Question, why do al your best players always leave?
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