Saturday, August 31, 2013

Academy Soccer

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115 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think 5:24 has a good point. If academy teams are going to be free, the only way for PDA to subsidize those teams is by creating other teams with a fee.

Anonymous said...

Nobody likes to acknowledge that pay to play is the bottom line but it's a fact in this country.

Anonymous said...

There's a two-tier system. One is pay to play, the other is free or subsidized. If an 8 yr. old pays for good coaching and is with a good club, he can possibly play for free on an academy team at 13 yrs.old. If he develops into a good player but who knows?

Anonymous said...

Any news on the location of the new NJSA04 facilities?

Anonymous said...

Is Cedar Stars part of NJSA04?
I know someone told me at one point that they were a merger of a couple different clubs. Also, found it interesting that they were accepted for pre-academy status for being such a new club.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars Academy will continue to operate independently in North Jersey and they will now have a U14 Dev Academy team (2000/2001).

NJCSA (former NJSA04) will continue to operate out of Monmouth County and will continue to be a full US Soceer Dev Academy (U14, U16 & U18).

The two will be affiliated (in terms of cross-over ownership, etc) but operate separately.

Anonymous said...

Are all Pre- Academy & Academy teams not allowing High School ball?

Anonymous said...

I believe that is correct... DA teams U14, U16/17 and U18 are not allowed to play HS. Sometimes DA makes exceptions on a case by case basis.

Anonymous said...

Players on a DA team cannot play HS in the fall season. If they do play HS, the DA has to file a waiver and the player sits out the fall DA season but can return for the spring. Some academies have been getting around this by rostering HS players a level up at the next pre-academy level and bringing them in for some DA games. And since there is no waiver filed, no one is any the wiser.

Anonymous said...

What is your suggestion/feedback on all boys acadamies - PDA, First Touch, Copa, TSF ?
As a parent of U8 son, it is so confusing and difficult to choose the right one.

Anonymous said...

Your child is still very young. All have good qualities. My advice is pick whichever is the closest to home. Every one of the clubs (only "Academy" being PDA) you mentioned are good. I started my son at PDA at 6. PDA being the closest, although NJSA was my first choice. As long as your child continues to develop, all that matters. Enjoy the ride and good luck!

Anonymous said...

Is your son still at PDA? Have you been happy with the development and environment there? Some make it sound like they cut so many kids each year that it is hard to survive there? What do you think?

Anonymous said...

I don't recommend TSF. I know many people who were treated very unfairly there and they're very expensive.

Anonymous said...

Anyone have thoughts on Holmdel NJX? I know they are not an academy but I believe they are trying to become academy like, an alternative to NJSA.

Anonymous said...

yes, my son is still there (5 years). Many of the boys that he started with are not, none were ever cut. Not run like a smaller club, coaches interact very little with the parents. Many people are turned off by that, many prefer it. As you get older the better players will get more playing time. My son is not the same player he was at 6, but has developed every year. I have friends at many different clubs and their sons have developed just fine. PDA is very close for me and the short commute has helped. Good luck in your search.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for replying 12:41.

Anonymous said...

i'd also love some input on Match Fit/ Holmdel NJX as we are thinking of leaving town travel to join. We did travel for 2 years and ready for more professional environment (no parent coaches, emphasis on development over winning, etc). But it's a lot more money (1800 vs town travel at just under 1k).

Anonymous said...

4/25 10:01 I heard they will be built in Holmdel. I'm thinking the Lucent property as the master development plan includes indoor/outdoor soccer facilities.

Anonymous said...

Do you think that playing for an academy like Met Oval or Gotschee is that much better than playing for a comprehensive club program such as Dusc or MSC?
I have a son in nyc and am wondering which one to join.

Anonymous said...

5/26 at 9:23 - how old is your son? My son just joined a team and my impression is very positive so far but we haven't really begun yet.

Anonymous said...

5/26 at 9:23 - how old is your son? My son just joined a team and my impression is very positive so far but we haven't really begun yet.

Anonymous said...

Why do you feel the need to have your son join an academy level program at U8?

Anonymous said...

Why do you feel the need to have your son join an academy level program at U8?

Anonymous said...

Need is a strong word, but I'll answer. Town program not great (1/week, kids being told to "not cross invisible line" on field). Town reluctantly allowed child to play with older age group, but still is strongest player and gets frustrated with invisible line type rules. Other options are outside clubs or academy. Academy trains more, costs less. Clubs play lots of games, some too focused on winning at young ages, and surprisingly more expensive than academy. Child is obsessed with soccer right now. Plays by self/with family in yard 10-15+ add'l hours/week outside of practices because that's his fun. So what is the problem with putting a kid like this in academy at u8?

Anonymous said...

My concern about U8 academy is if the program is too serious at too young an age and the player becomes turned off to soccer or moving a child from a good town program and playing with friends at too young an age.

Anonymous said...

A professional club will offer training structured to the developmental needs of different ages. Training at u9 will be very different from more serious training at u14 and above. A talented and motivated player should get good training, even at 8 yrs old.

Anonymous said...

PDA is a joke. If anyone is considering it don't waste your time or money. Your kid only moves on if he is favored. There is so much talent there that is overlooked. Nothing but a business. Training sucks. Same thing at every practice. Kids are not developed there They only look for developed kids and the others get pushed around to whatever team. It's all about money. Coaches are no better than any local travel team. If you want your son to be in the best place. It's Red bulls. The only real academy. Start them in RDS as early as possible to have the best chance at their age team.

Anonymous said...

Or, for those who live in Southern NJ, the Union's Academy.

Anonymous said...

By "favored" do you mean who they think is most talented and or who they believe has the most potential? If so, wouldn't that be the same at Red Bull? They move up only certain players there too, so why is it better than at Red Bull? Only look for developed kids? Isn't that exactly what Red Bulls does too? I'm not exactly being sold here. PDA is not guilty of anything that every other Academy or big club hasn't or isn't doing. Pushing through what a club considers to be their best talent is what they are suppose to do.

Anonymous said...

My son is a very good player who just wanted a tryout with PDA's academy team., They wouldn't even consider it. I was told "we know this age group." I think that is a pretty arrogant statement. They don't know my son. If I knew a coach there, you could bet he'd get different treatment. That's favoritism but your right in saying red bulls is no different. NJSA allows open tryouts so maybe they are more fair about forming their team.

Anonymous said...

PDAs 16 and 18s are not just at the top of their leagues - but also near the top in the country. Must be doing something right.

Anonymous said...

Clearly a disgruntled parent. PDA are an excellent club with good coaching staff and some of the best facilities in the region. They continue to compete at the very top and as the previous poster said are ranked very high nationally at a number of age groups. Fact is if your son is good enough he will play. At age 14 and up it's very competitive and with the no rolling substitutions it certainly will limit the time a child plays if he is not in the top half of the roster. A Big difference between Redbull is that PDA can accommodate a child in their club team if he is not ready to move up. RB are limited in this respect as they don't have a club team structure so when it comes time to cut (and at least 7 or 8 get cut a year) the child then has to scramble for another club. PDA isn't perfect, no club is but it's a very good option and if you son is lucky enough to have a spot on one of their academy rosters then good for him.

Anonymous said...

A very good and rational analysis of PDA.

Anonymous said...

Well done petformance by NJSA today with only 7 players at Super Y U15

They should have given the forfeit and let us watch Wotld Cup

What a joke they are. PathetIc to consider them an Academy while allowing MatchFit to fold.

Anonymous said...

Not surprised at all. Why many of us left there....

Anonymous said...

My son received his email acceptance letter to NJSA yesterday. He is a hard worker and may need new challenges. Is NJSA worth the money? Speaking to several patents its upwards of five thousand dollars a year for registration, tournaments, uniforms and hotel expenditures.
Can someone help with some pros and cons?

Anonymous said...

Regarding NJSA, it was a positive move for us away from a town team with far too much drama. Training is good and my son has a blast every game, festival and practice. To me, and I have played all my life, they are doing things the right way, but the top talent still avoids the club. I can understand why given the bad press they have received over the years.

Yes, they will take anyone who can write out a check, but that does not mean the team or program has to stink. If better kids joined the club, all pieces would fall in place.

The new facilities, along with the coaching staff and the club's potential, make it a place where I want to be right now. The only gripes I hear from the parents are that they are not competitive enough, which all traces back to the lack of physical talent on the team. If that changes, look out.

Anonymous said...

But will existing parents, who already have a spot on the team, allow for better players to join the acedemy and threaten their nice comfortable position? I doubt it.

Anonymous said...

In my own personal experience, I did look very seriously at NJSA last year for my son before deciding on another academy (after playing town for many years). I wanted to assess for myself the cost versus what the boys were getting so I attended a few practice sessions and a few home games of the two clubs he was interested in. I was looking forward to it as the DOT was the coach for the team he was interested in at NJSA. At NJSA it seems the practices consist of a warm up and then a scrimmage on one half the field. I did not see very much instruction (if any at all) other than the coach telling the players to move the ball. At games it was very much kick and run with the coach (DOT) hollering at players instead of providing instruction. Which was very surprising as it seems he came from the Red Bulls as Director of Training and with all our experiences with RB training it was very uncharacteristic. Our present academy (we ended up joining), the practices are better organized and are focused on individual training needs as well as team needs. And much more instruction on game day than what I saw at NJSA. In addition, our club has extra training opportunities such as Striker/Keeper (free) and mid/off season camps (paid) which NJSA does not offer.
I believe the academy we chose in the end offers more potential and opportunities in the long run for training and development - which may be another reason as to why top tier players are not joining NJSA.

Anonymous said...

In response to 12:38, it is my experience that the existing parents won't accept you with open arms, but they don't have any say in the matter. In my son's age group at NJSA, the parents and coaches are not in a cozy, comfortable relationship. In fact it is more the opposite.

In response to 2:08, I agree and disagree. I do see some of the characteristics you mentioned - they do let the boys play more in lieu of drills/cones, etc. - but I don't know if that is bad. If you read Manny Schellscheidt's book, it's all about letting the kids learn from the game - not getting in their face 24/7. So I don't know the answer. All I know is that my Son loves playing for the club and has improved greatly in his time there. Interested in knowing which Academy you ended up at.

Anonymous said...

I would rather not say and hope you understand. It is a very small world in Academy soccer. It was not really the drills/cones I was concerned with as that can be overplay. And I do agree with allowing the players learn from the game but instruction such as recognizing certain game situations/formations or teaching certain skills should be part of the tutelage especially given the vast experience of the staff. Having a group of players together on the weekend would basically do the same thing. But it is the finer points of the game I did not see being stressed. Any coach can tell players to go out and play but at an Academy level and for the money paid, it should go a step further. It seems like your son has a good coach over there. Do the coaches stay with the kids as they progress at NJSA?

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Anonymous said...

Yeah, those rotten foreigners are always picking on the poor helpless pure of heart. There always has to be an excuse.

Anonymous said...

Top heavy with Latin american players at NJSA. Just look at the rosters. Perhaps the Club feels more comfortable with these players than those troublesome pure of heart players regardless of ability.

Anonymous said...

In my experience, Latin coaches show favoritism toward Latin players and it is not right but if you don't like it don't go there. A Latino coach really did a number on my son. Lost a lot of confidence and will never be the player he could have been. I wish someone had warned me that this could happen so parents beware!

Anonymous said...

We have been playing soccer long enough in the US to have, and do have, excellent Americans as trainers and DOT's. There is a reason these foreign coaches are here (including and particularly Englishman)...they failed in their own country. Having an accent does not mean you are a good youth. Moreover, what do they know about helping your child get into a college, it is unlikely they went to college in US, or even went to college.

Anonymous said...

The reality is one or three players every ten years from NJ is going to make a career playing soccer. Indeed, if you call rising to the top of your profession and earning 35K to start. One player every 15-20 years from NJ will be a star, ie, earning 300K plus.

Don't believe the hype they tell you what they can do for your child. They want your money so they can stop working their menial labor jobs. Just take a look at the colleges NJSA sends their players to. Anyone with a pulse could get in to them. They had nothing to do with it.

Anonymous said...

Just take a look at the colleges NJSA sends their players to. Anyone with a pulse could get in to them. They had nothing to do with it.

Absolutely 110% correct.

Been to several Tournaments and College Showcases so I am very familiar with the process. College coaches walk around following Red Bulls, PDA, Gottschee, etc.. NEVER witnessed them scouting NJSA 04.

They are selling these parents HOPE of a scholarship. Nothing more.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the college comments of the prior two re Njsa. Just go to agame, there are no scouts ever there. Look at the ranks of any of their teams, it's abysmal. Maybe if and when cedar stars takes over club and cleans house of staff and coaches things will change, but till then forget it.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the college comments of the prior two re Njsa. Just go to agame, there are no scouts ever there. Look at the ranks of any of their teams, it's abysmal. Maybe if and when cedar stars takes over club and cleans house of staff and coaches things will change, but till then forget it.

Anonymous said...

I don't know anything about the college thing, but I do know NJSA is acting like they have a USSDA 13/14 team when the fact is they don't. The team is now at Cedar Stars. They have not even told the players/parents because they are desperate for the money. And next year ALL of the teams will be the Cedar Stars. All of the NJSA players will be dropped for the cedar star players.

Thank you very much for your money NJSA parents but see you later.

Its not a merger its a takeover. Just ask NJSA to explain the "merger". They wont because they want your money and are desperate to try and keep their jobs when Cedar Stars takeover so they don't have to go back to double shifts at being a barista at Starbucks.

Anonymous said...

I think we all would like to hear from NJSA. Do you have anything to say in your defense?

Anonymous said...

Do not hold your breath waiting.

As long as there are parents who haven't a clue as to how soccer training should be conducted, (and who can afford it), this 'Academy' will be a fixture. These egoists will continue to write checks so they can tell all their friends that their kid is in a 'Soccer Academy' It is a rich kid's soccer camp fed by mommy and daddy ego.

Anonymous said...

Everything will change once Cedar Stars takes over and cleans house

Anonymous said...

PDA cleaning up at regionals. Great club for both boys and girls.

Anonymous said...

I've decided after 2 seasons to leave NJSA and regardless of the merger it will be the same atmosphere overall. U13 and up is a total wash out in their eyes. NJSA results prove that. CS folks are focusing on building at the bottom with the hopes of a transformation in 5 years. The current NJSA coaches have an absolute distain for American kids and their bias and favoritism are evident. Anyone that is considering going there look at the results of the past two seasons and the Super Y results, they don't lie like the coaches...

Anonymous said...

NJSA is completely finished. Tab Ramos wants out, he will be involved in national team as full team employee for next four years. There was a backroom deal -- albeit a good one -- to transfer academy status to cedar stars. The only "merger" is in the eyes, hopes and delusions of current NJSA 04 staff. This is simply a transition year before Cedar Stars takes over and cleans house of all NJSA 04 remnants. NJSA 04 reaped what they sowed with poor coaches other than TR.

Anonymous said...

So what does that mean for an Academy presence in the Monmouth/Ocean County area?

Who cares if NJSA04 is replaced by Cedar Stars in Monmouth county. Probably for the best. But if the whole Academy program is moved up to Bergen county, that would not be good.

Anonymous said...

Strange how NJSA 04 is the only "academy", indeed only club that has such a series of negative comments. PDA, Red Bulls, not even Match Fit have such a negative vibe. Hopefully TR did not damage his legacy by adding his name to such a scam. Look at the V.P., he sells kitchen cabinets. He started this club to scam parents with $$. The deal was made with Cedar Stars at the executive level of USSF to save TR's legacy as was calling it a "merger". TR is done with the club and this is the way the figured out to allow him to exit while saving his name and legacy.

Next year all of their "staff" and "coaches" will be out as they should be.

Anonymous said...

Again I will ask, as it seems like you have inside information, what does the Cedar Stars "takeover" do to the current CLUB in Monmouth County. Does Cedar Stars take it over, clean house, and we someday have a successful Cedar Stars Academy in Monmouth County? Does NJSA just go away completely (hard to imagine)? I could care less about the current set of NJSA trainers, coaches and administration. If they are bad they should go. Just looking for the best soccer experience for my son that does not involve 3 hours a day on the Turnpike.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars will run the academy out of operation out of Bergen County. NJSA 04 has been telling parents the club will be located in Monmouth. That is an out and out lie to keep players and parents there and paying for another year.

Just ask yourself, is Cedar Stars going to bus or have all their first class players and coaches to Monmouth County six days a week. Of course not. NJSA staff and coaches are lying to the parents and then this Fall or Spring all will be advised of the sudden "change" and the Academy will be in Bergen. This is after they have fleeced the parents out of another year of payments. The few lame NJSA 04 coaches and staff will be begging Cedar Stars for a job.

Just check Cedar Stars website, ask the club or parents. There is no reference to Cedar Stars "moving" to Monmouth County. That is because it is not happening. Understandably they will be silent on the issue for now as that was part of the agreement for the transition.

Current players and parents of NJSA 04 are being fleeced this year and will be left holding the bag and scrambling next year. All will see

Anonymous said...

The previous poster is correct. I checked cedar star website. Not a mention of "move" to Monmouth County and barely a word about "merger". Lot of talk about being a USSDA though. Looks like they are going to be playing out of overpeck park in Bergen.

Anonymous said...

USSDA also shows the academy programs that were added and the ones that were revoked. Never is it mentioned that NJSA lost an Academy slot. I think a lot of this "the sky is falling" mentality is overblown.

Anonymous said...

All part of the USsf deal to transition to cedar stars. Njsa sent a letter saying no u13/14 academy this year as it will be cedar stars. They also had the audacity to say Njsa players could not try out for cedar stars but had to stay with Njsa. If that is not a money grab then what it is and last I recalled this was a free country

Anonymous said...

We have not yet received a letter stating no 13/14 academy as of yet for NJSA 04. And there are two teams (Cedar Stars and NJSA 04) listed for the upcoming 2014/2015 season Would you happen to have a copy? Please post a copy because under no circumstance will I pay registration fee if this is the case. I do come from up north, and found it interesting when we received notice that current NJSA 04 players could NOT try-out for Cedar Stars unless you received special permission from the Director of Coaching. How can they tell me where to play? Driving 1.5 hours for practice is trying especially when Cedar Stars is so close.

It does sound like a money grab for this season.

Anonymous said...

My guess is they will use this year as a transition year and then form one team. There is no way USSDA will allow two teams at age groups for the same organization.

Anonymous said...

I saw the post by a reader asking for the NJSA letter that said No U13/14 academy. Parents were then told there would be no NJSA players on U 13 14 Academy. The NJSA 04 players will be club or pre academy depending on their. Like the other poster said, its a last gasp money grab by NJSA coaches before they get the boot.
To all NJCSA teams:
Hope everyone is doing well and enjoying a great Spring season.
As we look forward to the next year and the upcoming tryouts, there have been many questions regarding our partnership with the Cedar Stars Academy and can players tryout at both clubs or move from one to the other.
While NJCSA and the Cedar Stars are now one organization, the goal is not to have players transferring within our club. The Cedar Stars Academy will operate in the Bergen County area and will cater to players in Northern New Jersey. NJCSA will continue to make Central Jersey it's home and soon will be announcing the plans for our new soccer complex to be located in the Monmouth County area.
The Cedar Stars Academy were recently accepted into the USSDA for the U-14 age group and we are excited to have them join us in this exclusive program. Their current U13 team is Nationally ranked and will make up majority of the roster for the U-14 academy team. There will be very limited spots available to fill the remaining positions on this team. Any current NJSA 04 player wanting to tryout for the Cedar Stars Academy will need to have extenuating circumstances to be considered. It is best for you to contact your coach or our DOC, Antonio Meza, to discuss your situation.
We are also excited to have the Cedar Stars Academy now add a Girls program to their club. This is in line with our objectives and goals to continue to grow and develop our current Girls teams.
We look forward to seeing you at our upcoming tryouts and continuing your soccer development at NJCSA.
Thanks,
Jay Teitelbaum
VP- NJCSA


Anonymous said...

And next Spring this same letter will go out and be as to ALL Academy teams except 17/18 as Cedar Stars does not have that age group. That's the deal that was made. Current players and parents below that are being used as patsies.

Anonymous said...

But there are 2 - 13/14 Academy teams with complete schedules for 2014/2015. How can that be if only Cedar Stars will be the Academy team at that age group? I must be missing something.

Anonymous said...

The way I read it was that there still will be 2 academy teams but they didn't want the teams to flop players back and forth. One would serve north jersey and one would be central/south jersey. But the thinking is there will be only one next year - Cedar Stars nationally ranked team.
So either way, it is a money grab for this year to build the imaginary complex.

Anonymous said...

"But the thinking is there will be only one next year..."

Where did you get that from?

Anonymous said...

Cedar stars and NJSA are now one club. Only one academy team at each age group per club. The letter states that the majority of player on the team are from Cedar Stars. Draw your own conclusions.

Anonymous said...

The schedules for the USSDA are out for next year. Academy U13/14 has both NJSA 04 and Cedar Stars teams. They are even scheduled to play one another.

There goes that theory of one team per club.

Anonymous said...

I am not sure about any of the previous comments but it doesn't taka rocket scientist to realize that there will not be two Academy teams for each age group for one club. There are Academy clubs in Texas and California that have 5000 plus players and they all have one team.

Also, Cedar Stars has winning teams and winning coaches, a benefactor with deep pockets and connections at the highest levels of USSF. Why on earth would the programs be moved to NJSA's environs, because they having losing teams, losing coaches that have been rejected from other clubs, and their benefactor --TR -- is exiting from the club to work for national team. Come on, wake up people,

Anonymous said...

Take a week off and it seems a lot has happened!

A question I would pose to NJSA 04 Club Team parents. What is the justification in spending three thousand dollars a year to participate in MNJYSA, Maps or CJYSA? Wouldn't a Town Team be a lot less expensive? It is not as though the training or won/loss records are superior. Do any players ever move up to the Preacademy or Academy Teams?

Anonymous said...

From the Cedar Stars site "NJSA 04 and Cedar Stars Academy Partnership - It is with great pride that we announce the strategic partnership of two of the top soccer programs in NJ,
NJSA 04 and the Cedar Stars Academy have formed an agreement that will bring these two organizations together.. "

From Wikipedia: "A strategic partnership is a formal alliance between two commercial enterprises, usually formalized by one or more business contracts but falls short of forming a legal partnership or, agency, or corporate affiliate relationship.

Typically two companies form a strategic partnership when each possesses one or more business assets that will help the other, but that each respective other does not wish to develop internally."

I think it is the fact that NJSA and Cedar Stars can be referred to as "same club" that I dispute. If they are not the same club in the eyes of the USSDA, then Cedar Stars can be added as an academy without NJSA losing their academy status.

Hey, don't get me wrong, this is concerning. But lets react to facts, not conjecture.

Anonymous said...

I guess there is an implied hope here that the Cedar Stars partnership will turn NJSA around and make them legit. Clean house, do whatever you need to do.

Anonymous said...

any thoughts on world class fc? it's on the border of northern nj and new york...

Anonymous said...

'I think it is the fact that NJSA and Cedar Stars can be referred to as "same club" that I dispute. If they are not the same club in the eyes of the USSDA, then Cedar Stars can be added as an academy without NJSA losing their academy status'

Which is why NJSA 04 sent the letter prohibiting trying out with Cedar Stars. They knew there would be interest in players attempting to move to the better club. Makes sense. And if you did try out with Cedar Stars without receiving permission from Antono Mezza your kid would be blacklisted as 'trouble'. They have their kids held captive.

Anonymous said...

NJSA says their club is now called NJCSA. It's only logical to think that USSDA won't be listing CSA and NJSA04 separately for too long.

Anonymous said...

WCFC is pre-academy only at one age, pending yearly review to admit other age groups. Also if you make it this year and other age groups are not admitted, you lose academy status for the next year as you have moved out of the age group. they are also one of the few pay to play academies in the area. But top notch facilities and most coaches are solid. they do have a reputation on some teams as having daddy ball coaches.

Anonymous said...

My son was chosen for pre academy at NJSA 04 but the recent posts have me concerned. I called to speak with them but got what seemed to be evasive or vague responses about their future status, facilities, player turnover I was told was quite high because of U-11 U-12 coach there.

Any thoughts would be appreciated before writing that 3K plus check would be much appreciated.

Anonymous said...

There have been mass departures of good and very good players from NJSA this spring and now. Let that be your guide.

Anonymous said...

My thoughts - If you are in the backyard of PDA or Cedar Stars, go there. If not, and your decision is between NJSA and a town club team, I would keep my son with NJSA. It may not be $3K better, but in my experience the training at NJSA is much better than what my son received at his local (and very successful) club team. Oddly though, the overall talent was much higher on his local club team. Just my 2 cents. Good luck with your decision.

Regarding all this churn with the Cedar Stars / NJSA merger - you will know in a year if all the aforementioned accusations are true or if the merger results in new NJSA facilities and a new direction for the club.

Anonymous said...

WCFC is free at the academy level and is a member of NYFC alliance.

Anonymous said...

'Any thoughts would be appreciated before writing that 3K plus check would be much appreciated.'

In additional to the 3K you will be asked to pay $600 for Summer Super Y, anywhere between $1k and $2k for travel expenses to a couple of College Showcases, winter training, winter futsal at tab ramos, a few hundred dollars for fund raising, not to mention gas, hotels, meals for away games if need be. The cost is more realistically close to 6K. And you only receive 2 or 3 sessions a week, which is less than the required 4 sessions the USSDA states.

I agree with the above post. Look to PDA or Cedar Stars. And also look around at your local town teams to see the type of training they offer and if additional private training would be necessary and less expensive than the overall NJSA pricetag.
I have found very little training difference between a hired solid town coach in a good program and NJSA.

I would stay away until everything shakes out with Cedar Stars, it seems you have a couple of more years before it really matters anyway. The last thing you want is to have all the pre academy and academy teams move to cedar stars next year (rumor) and all club teams remain with NJSA. The club teams play in the same leagues as town teams.

Anonymous said...

Thank you both for your comments. Agreed, it just does not seem they are providing anything above and beyond, other than saying they do. The teams records are all abysmal,

Anonymous said...

I disagree that the level of training is only average. My son's coach is very good and the festivals they participate in have the potential to be excellent (not there yet). I have found no "daddy ball" influence on his team, which I have no patience for.

If the coach at your son's age group is one of the bad apples, then your experience may differ from mine, but I have found the move to be positive.

Anonymous said...

Glad you have had a good experience.

What age group are you? If festival experience and 'potential' is what interests you then the money is well spent.
I have been through several coaches at NJSA and none are worth the money. We all want development for our children and all one has to do is look at the records of all the NJSA teams. Not too much development there. Even with slight improvement in development there would be some improvement in results. Even the newcomers to the academy system have been greatly improved as compared to NJSA.

Anonymous said...

Everyone should give this a read, it is about the German Academy system. (in English)

http://static.bundesliga.de/media/native/autosync/dfl_leistungszentren2011_gb.pdf

Anonymous said...

Lotta negative chat on NJSA - it is always a question of the motivation of those who feel a need to post such negatives that they almost seem irrational. Non-MLS clubs field three levels of boys teams - DA, pre-academy, and club level. Ask the parents of any player who doesn't play at least half a game on any of these teams and you will hear what has been written above - my favorite is equating wins with development - If that is your measurement of development you should play on a team that looks for got soccer points, lots of games and tournaments and by the way - paying for all of it too.

All programs have negative rumors- Redbulls eliminated its oldest preacademy team, leaving many of its '98s without a home,(or suggesting they pay to play in a few tournaments) PDA plays fast and loose with the 'no high school' rules and see any of the above about NJSA. The fact is you need to find a team where your player gets at least 50% playing time, plays with others at, or preferably above their level, and has practices with structure and purpose. NJSA U16's beat PDA this Spring, PDA goes to the finals, Redbulls lose in the playoffs - If your kid is on any of those teams and gets time, he is doing very well. True development comes from individual work on the ball and speed and agility. Game play helps tactical awareness and can showcase technique -

And as far as cost - if you have 100 events - (figure 3 practices/1 game week x 25 weeks over a ten month season) the actual cost is about $22 session, not cheap but not crazy either.

Anonymous said...

100x22=2,200

Good luck in trying to find a cost as low as that as you have to factor all the add ons as a post mentioned above. And although they claim a 10 month season, it is more like 7.

Just my thoughts. I could not care less either way. If you feel it is worth it then just pay and play.

Anonymous said...

And all of the scheduled practices are never held due to multiple reasons beyond anyone's control. Are the practices made up? Almost never. Are the parents reimbursed? Never. Games are only rescheduled if the league says they have to be.
So the total cost keeps growing.

Anonymous said...

Someone posted on June 10th that MatchFit folded as an Academy. Is this true? They are still affiliated with many town clubs.

Anonymous said...

NJSA 04 says winning doesn't matter, it is about development, as they pick you pocket. What else are they going to say. Their Academy teams are middling at best, their pre academy teams cant even beat decent town travel teams, and their club teams are just as bad. Show me the development with the older teams: there is none.

How come PDA does so much better? It is professionally run from staff to coaches. Sure they have turnover, but they can point to development with their teams.

It is the poor coaching at NJSA 04 that is the problem there. It is home of failed coaches -- other than TR -- and their lackeys.

Anonymous said...

Yada Yada Yada, heard it all before. Empty post, add something constructive.

Anonymous said...

What would be constructive? Saying how wonderful it is?

Anonymous said...

It seems that Match Fit still has a u13/U14 academy team but no U15/U16 or U17/U18 academy teams. Could this mean that there will be a new academy in NJ to take their place?
There have been some new U13/U14 teams but none at the higher age groups.

Anonymous said...

Seems like the whole Academy System in NJ is a mess other than Red Bull and PDA.

I read the German Academy report (link posted earlier). Seems like they have many more academies per square mile that we do. I wonder how many US kids cannot get the proper training because their parents cannot afford the Academy clubs or cannot get the time off to truck half the state to PDA or RBA.

Anonymous said...

Everyone agrees that the academy system in the US is too exclusive.
Maybe things will change someday.

Anonymous said...

Philadelphia Union has the best Academy System and is equivalent to the European/South American model. Full day school and training all on the same campus I believe. I think players also have the option to attend their own school and then commute to practice if they decide not to board.
Non-MLS Academies will have to work long and hard to get to this level.

Anonymous said...

PDA Boys 2000 pre-academy won against Raiders FC Premier 7-1 in the NPL National Finals today. Did the same thing last year with their 1999s. They must be doing something right.

See all scores here: http://www.nationalpremierleagues.com/NPLFinals/

Anonymous said...

PDA Boys 2000 pre-academy won against Raiders FC Premier 7-1 in the NPL National Finals today. Did the same thing last year with their 1999s. They must be doing something right.

See all scores here: http://www.nationalpremierleagues.com/NPLFinals/

Anonymous said...

Looks more like they destroyed them.

Anonymous said...

It's a nice accomplishment for the boys. One thing to keep in mind is that this is a U13 tournament. Most of the teams are made up of 2001 players while the PDA team is made up of mostly U14 players. It's a flawed tournament from that prospective. Obviously a great showing by PDA and they should be proud. PDA really wanted this win, they even brought down their USDA U14/U16 National team goalkeeper for the games who had never played a minute with the 2000 pre-academy team. By USDA rules, I didn't think a USDA player could be rostered for pre-academy play. Either way it sounds like PDA was much stronger than their competition.

Anonymous said...

I see at least 4 teams that are 2000s including PDA, so it's probably a mix of both.

http://www.nationalpremierleagues.com/schedules/2014/66921250.html

Anonymous said...

NJCSA or should I say NJSA flunkee's scouring the tournament sidelines this weekend looking for anyone to fill their empty roster spots. Nothing like a total lack of professionalism, when I doing my job your poaching and pitching your petty wares on my parents sidelines. Classless...

Anonymous said...

I can see that happening. Received a congratulation email last week informing my son that he made a team at NJSA. Oddest thing, he never even tried out. Assuming they have our email from registration and they don't have enough players to fill their roster. That club is flat-lining fast.

Anonymous said...

Same hear. I am getting e-mails for a Uniform fitting session and my son has not even signed up for team. It is all coming home to roost for them, the "merger" with Cedar Stars not soon enough. Cedar Stars should beware about soiling their name.

Anonymous said...

"Don't bury me yet, I am not dead............I still have a few naïve parents to pick the pocket of."

NJSA

Anonymous said...

NJSA likes to keep two teams at young age groups. Probably just trying to fill out the second team.

Anonymous said...

Oh right, two teams double the collections....hey they should try for three...there is no limit to playing on others lack of knowledge and what a parent will do for their child.

Its a fact, no real college power is going to look at NJSA 04. Just take a look at any top 30 D1 school roster and there is at best 1-2 player total on them out of all.

Anonymous said...

Ask yourself, where does all the money go. Certainly not fields or facilities, they have none. And every winter parents get hit up for "indoor fees" going so far that players have to show up a Hamilton to play on most "training sessions". Very Professional

Anonymous said...

Keep in mind that every age group has an Academy or Preacademy team in addition to two club teams. Parents on these club teams are paying thousands to stay with 'the academy' because they haven't a clue that they are basically on a recreation team playing in Maps. Yes, where do all these fees go? For a team roster size of 25 at three thousand dollars a year it is amazing they do not have every conceivable type of indoor and outdoor facility and superior training already. Sixty to Seventy Five Thousand Dollars a year for EACH TEAM. Mind blowing.