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Monday, May 15, 2017

Academy Soccer

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181 comments:

Anonymous said...

So what if TSF has U12 academy team, World Class has a U14 academy team and what happens after that. They go back to playing club! I think that is such bull. And no, I do not have any kids on either club.

Anonymous said...

I agree with that. If US soccer wants a steady player development program for elite players (and how can you even identify an elite player at 12 yrs. old) why is a player in the program at 12, 13, or 14, then out of the program and back to playing club soccer.

Anonymous said...

CSA also has a problem after u14 academy because they will have kids wanting to be on their u16 academy team. They have Bergen u14 and Monmouth u14 and only one u16 team in Monmouth. No room for everyone.

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Anonymous said...

my son was at NJSA and NJCSA for years. in reading this blog, i see lots of understandable emotion, some fact and some hope. heres my take. 1)if your kid isn't good enough, then he won't be happy at an CSA...by that i mean, if he isn't the top 2-3 kids at age u14, you can pretty much guarantee he'll be cut when it really matters. 2)Until U16, it doesn't matter if you're playing Academy (unless you are enjoying it and developing). but if you're goal is College, or better, then you want to be in a RESPECTED academy at U16 to increase your chances of gaining a college coaches attention... thus at U16, players come out of the woodwork and make it very difficult/competitive to continue in the system. At that point, many things play a role in team selection...certainly POLITICS...but also, there are simply higher level players making the switch to Academy soccer and its more competitive. Bottom line...if your truly a quality player, you're likely to make the team. If you've been a nice player, but not an exceptional player (and you aren't on Altirs list), you won't make the team. So my advice, if you don't fall into any of the above criteria at younger ages, don't hold your breath and think CSA will be looking out for its loyal players who put up with years of BS and reward you with a spot on the Academy team. Not gonna happen. I also agree wth the posters noting that Altirs and CSA track record actually isn't very rewarding. I also think its important to note that several EDP teams place more kids in Colleges than NJCSA and CSA. There are many paths to succeed in this game. But first know what SUCCESS means to your player, then be realistic about the possibility of achieving it, and then choose the path with the end game in mind. If you're kid isn't gonna be a professional player, I think its very important to spend time enjoying the game and the experience. Time flies by and we should make sure that even Elite players enjoy the experience. Going pro?...OK sacrifice and more misery is acceptable price to pay for the "dream"... but be realistic...if you're kid isn't standing out on 90 percent of the high level competetions he's in, that likely wont change and maybe the Academy stress/lifestyle isn't for you...at ANY ACADEMY. As far as all the new facilities go...sure thats impressive.. but remember that Altirs is a business man...he isn't dong this entirely for love of the game...hes doing it to build a facility that professional teams come use as training grounds...for the USMNT to come and use as a training facility.. how does this get funded? by tons of well-meaning, hopeful parents paying tuition. Sure maybe a few kids will benefit as players...but don't think thats the goal.

Anonymous said...

My son has fun and loves soccer at CSA right now and that is all that matters.

Anonymous said...

August 9, 12:59 PM

That was a great comment.

Anonymous said...

Haven't been on here for a while. I can say that NJCSA is heading in the right direction - their new facilities and the hiring of their U18 coach are indications. I agree though with the comments above about one particular NJCSA left-over coach. The implications that he may be receiving "favors" from certain players should be investigated. He certainly seems to have blind allegiance to certain players - and has, at least in the case of one player, pulled the wool over the eyes of the coach of a major college program. But that will become apparent later and will cost the coach and NJCSA all credibility with a coach in a major conference.

Anonymous said...

The coach in question does personal training of players for side money. Obviously those players are given special treatment, that shouldn't be surprising. Now for the new U18 coach, he's done it for years. While he was in Florida he was brought up to do training for $$$. Now the guy who arranged the trainings and his friends are on the U16 team. You don't think the favoritism isn't going to happen going to happen. Just be aware of the situation so you aren't upset when the favoritism continues.

NJCSA is broken and nothing has changed. Fields can't fix the problems of favoritism.

Anonymous said...

Hey I read on the on top drawer soccer website that 4 players from PDA have decided to play high school instead of academy this year. They are all going back to play for scotch Plains. Is that true?

If that is true, that will be a big loss for the PDA U16 squad.

Anonymous said...

I don't know but do you really think 4 missing players from a roster of 30 would make a difference? That team didn't have great results last year.

Anonymous said...

GA needs to be careful down at NJCSA. He is investing a lot of money and it can go badly very quickly. It was a huge mistake naming TR's loyal foot soldier as director of coaching. All of the bloggers above are absolutely correct. There is something not right - favoritism is one thing but there is something else going on. I doubt the new U18 coach will stay past this year if he needs to work for the U16 coach.

Anonymous said...

so much hate by the old people on this site. My boys are loving CSA- peace

Anonymous said...

The old NJSA was a horrible organization that hurt and disappointed a lot of people. The new CSA is heading in the right direction buy still has skeletons in its closet.

Anonymous said...

Adding a "C" to the name dosen't change anything. They reward no development and parking the bus by making him doc. Then you have a parents running the tryouts from behind the scenes. Nothing has changed. New fields doesn't change anything.

Anonymous said...

Once again old people who are disgruntled. I will continue to look forward and not backwards. First scrimmage on Saturday for the 14's - let the excitement begin. Best of luck to all the folks enjoying soccer and looking to a very bright future.

Anonymous said...

"old people"???

You have no idea what you are talking about. Your oldest kid is a U14 and you are living thru him. Maybe you should respect your elders and heed their warnings.

Anonymous said...

No thanks, I will form my own opinion and watch the development of my sons in these formative exciting times. Fortunately I know what I need to know and am 100% correct. You enjoy your bashing and sorry that your kin did not shine for ya. Good luck

Anonymous said...

LOL! 100% correct? You know there are no guarantees in football. It may work out but it may all end in tears. I also thought things were great until my 12 yr. olds dreams were completely crushed in a very cruel way. Enjoy your journey!

Anonymous said...

He is 100% correct his son is enjoying his current time at CSA. That is all it is about. I doubt most of our kids will be pro players.

If the kids enjoy their time and the parents can somehow stomach a situation where they are not in control it is a win for all.

Anonymous said...

you're wrong when you say parents have no control. Some have a lot of control. If you don't realize that yet, you soon will. Like everything else in life, it's who you know and money talks.

Anonymous said...

He's wrong in thinking his son is developing. Who says he's developing...you?....NJCSA?

Let's just say he's having fun. Like any other kid in a town club team can say he's having fun.

The reality is NJCSA is the Tinton Fall, Holmdel, Colts Neck, and several other shore towns club team that gives there parents a sense of pride to say their kid plays for an academy. The might have paid the USSDA fees to be called an academy. Most kids at NJCSA don't receive the ball on the proper foot, they don't open up correctly, they can only use their dominate foot, etc. There is nothing wrong with that, the kid is having fun but don't think you can just say your kid is developing and make 100% claims and think you are fooling anyone but yourself. NJCSA doesn't develop players...they take parents money. Keep your eyes closed, parent influence is all over that club. You are probably one of them. In fact, I'll claim I'm 100% correct, LOL.

Anonymous said...

You are correct on the "club team" mock as long as the best kids go up to PDA and RB. If that changes....

Not convinced that the current set of CSA-M coaches will be poor developers. Agree that the prior set were. Agree that the level of player going to CSA-M is not as good as PDA, RB, so you will see more of the technical errors you mentioned.

Not much pride when you lose to other local club teams and by double digits to other academies. No one brags about that, so this view of the pompous, idiot NJCSA parent is misguided. Lack of options produce questionable decisions in hindsight.

The only local Monmouth County kids I know that are up at PDA, RB are from wealthy families. Great they can have mom and dad drop everything for their soccer hobby. The other, not so fortunate, families need to rely on the local clubs, and NJCSA/CSA-M always showed/shows the most "promise." All parents in the know are frustrated by the history, but are you better off at Tinton Falls, Colts Neck, Ocean, etc.? Not clubs legendary for their development...

Anonymous said...

So what are the predictions and rumors for the upcoming academy season. Anybody has anything?

Anonymous said...

As to Academy vs top level EDP, I've come full circle. My boys have done both. I pulled my kids from top level EDP, went to non-MLS Academy, and then went back. Here is what I've learned. Unless your son is one of the top 3-4 kids on an Academy roster and/or has some kind of "in", he's not going to get enough game minutes. 10 games in Fall and Spring plus two showcases with limited substitutions that do not match up with college rules (and most kids want to play in college - national team level kids are a minuscule percentage of Academy kids) Take a roster of 24-26 (if you include DPs) and do the math- your son is looking at 50% playing time in not so many games if he is a solid player on the roster. Not enough game minutes is the draw back. On the other hand, the four nights a week of Academy training is extremely beneficial. My kids are now at a top flight EDP club. While the rosters are also 22-24, the boys will play in at least 3 times as many games -- with more game minutes per game due to the substitution rules -- and play in the top bracket of good showcases where they will be seen by college coaches (and none of these are in Texas in Summer- who scheduled that? Haha). The level of play is comparable enough to work (some of the players are more athletic, but a bit less technical, than the Academy roster). In fact, I think their birth year EDP teams could beat their prior academy teams 3-4 out of 10 times, maybe more. The interesting thing to me is that these scrimmages never happen-- I think they would be beneficial for all involved (more game type minutes for Academy kids, Club kids confronted with a team that is deeper technically).

Anonymous said...

Btw. My math was wrong (forgot to add the Academy Spring games) .. It's roughly twice as many games with top EDP, not three times....

Anonymous said...

August 27, 9:34

Listen your math is way off, 3 or 4 players, come on. There are 11 starters plus 2 to 4 kids that always come off the bench. If you are one of the top 14 players you will definitely get some looks (just see how many kids have committed to college from each academy team). I was at an regular season academy game last spring and there were at least 7 college coaches watching the game, some were from very good soccer schools. I am sorry to say, but you are not going to get that at a regular season EDP game and by saying that, I am not trying to put EDP down, just stating the facts.

Also academy is not for everybody, no every family can make 3/4 days a week practice, and all the long east coast travel. Plus if your kid is playing academy he needs to stand out (have at least over 55% start percentage, be one of the 14), because you are competing against, National team players,US training center players, Coaches' favorites and etc...

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the reply, 9:34. You got me thinking, as my kids were in the top 14 (in the middle somewhere IMHO) but not in the top 3-4. I went back and took a peek at one of my kids' DA records and saw that start percentage was 50%. I also remember getting calls in the Spring about how my son couldn't start two different games because other kids needed to get to 25% start percentage. The dynamic I saw was 3-4 always play all the time, 3-4 almost never play, and everyone else kind of split time. As to college coaches at regular season games, I totally agree that Aacdemy kids will get more looks than top EDP in that venue. However, if your kid is not one of the top kids who is being chased by colleges and being offered one of those very rare full rides due to soccer, he needs to reach out to coaches, make contacts, create a dialogue, and hope they come watch him play. If it's convenient for them and they have interest, they will come. Hence, Potomac, Bethesda, etc can be very helpful for the good (but not great) player as they will get looks there if they are at a higher level. I've seen this dynamic in action this past summer - I saw a coach talk to a kid about how well he did at Potomac. Of course, that coach had also gone to Frisco to watch the DA. My point is that Academy is not the only path and, if your son loves to play and is at a lower D1 / D2 / top D3 level, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Now, academics, lifestyle, and driving are key components, too. My kids are good students - it's hard to do well in AP if you are driving 50 minutes each way to practice 4 nights a week. sometimes the kids forget that grades are key - look at how each recruiting questionnaire asks about GPA and SAT/ACT scores: unless you are Pele, they won't even look at you if you can't get into the school. While my older one was ok on this score, I asked a college coach (top D3 level) to talk to my second one (rising sophomore) about this - he liked him as a player but said if he didn't get his grades up, he can't even consider him. I LOVED that chat... Ok. Enough from me. Best of luck!

Anonymous said...

Why do academy teams have a 25% but EDP teams don't? My son's EDP team has the same starters every game no matter if it's a league game or a showcase event. I've seen a lot of players leave over the years due to limited play time. If a player makes the team, he's good enough to play in games.

Anonymous said...

EDP should consider a 25% start rule since they say they're a development league. Doesn't the "D" stand for development?

Anonymous said...

That 25% start rule is bullshit. Most Teams don't fallow that, just check the players stats online for each team. You will see teams that have 3 to 5 players under 25%.

Also most teams, whether it be a professional, college or Academy/EDP/High School tend to start the same lineup for most games. Teams only change their line up if a player is injured, has another commitment (national team duty), out due to suspension and etc...

On another note, good enough to make the team, does not mean good enough to start. Keep that in mind.

Anonymous said...

The comment, which I agree with, said that if a kid makes the team, he's good enough to play in games. HS and college teams are all about winning, Academy is not. If they're going to say it's about development over winning, show that by giving every player adequate play time. Why do you think it's acceptable to have a kid on an academy team who never plays?

Anonymous said...

Are we being gullible in here, if we believe Academy is all about development. Ask that to the coaches of the Red Bulls, Philly, PDA and etc... Do you think those coaches are going to play the number 18 guy on the roster for 40 minutes every other game.

It does not work like that, not here, not in Europe, not in South America. The only difference between US and over seas is that over seas they practice 5 days a week and also play in multiple leagues, tournaments and scrimmages so kids at the bottom may get more of a chance to play. But at the end of the day those academies all want to win.

At the end of the day players who are on an academy roster are considered the best 1% (for the most part) of kids playing soccer nationwide. So if your kid is part of that 1% he better be good enough to be one of the top 15 players on the roster so he can get a good amount of playing time.

Anonymous said...

I don't have any idea about youth academies in Latin America but I do Know about English youth academies. They are all about development. Playing time is monitored and recorded for each player to ensure sufficient playing time. There are no league standings or championship games until u17/18. Every youth academy is required to have medical staff and education and welfare officers who look out for children's best interests. Youth development is seen as an investment in the future. The youth coach even works with the child's school teachers to ensure good progress. Kids in English youth academies don't play in multiple leagues, their games are capped in order to prevent burnout.

Anonymous said...

And England has not won a World Cup since 1966 , has never won a Euro. So early development is great and have produced the likes of Paul Scholes- but what other English player maybe Alan Shearer- but England has really never had a world class player- Never- still does not. They have good players and are at a similar place as the US- I believe the US has better younger players than they do

Anonymous said...

Yeah, like the red bulls defender who signed with Chelsea but couldn't get playing time and was loaned out to a Dutch club. Then there was the kid who went to Germany hoping to find better player development. So many young US players dream of going to England where they can develop their game.

Anonymous said...

Face it England has not produced talent or results - the US is on the way up- plenty of US youth in Europe and doing well- the late 90's- early 2000's was England's moment and it did not happen. Real Salt Lake building new academy - youth academies in the US are building for the future- we will pass England with ease- they need to worry about Iceland

Anonymous said...

sorry to say but you're pretty ignorant if you believe England does not have excellent youth academies that develop talent. You should educate yourself on youth development. US academies may be improving but have a long way to go. The fact that US youth are playing and training overseas proves that they have better youth development.

Anonymous said...

The best players in the English Premier League are not English. The best coaches in the English Premier League are not English. England is and has been overated for decades. Love to watch the EPL. I know that England has a good academy system. They are producing some very good players at the Championship, League 1, 2 level that's all. The American System will be the way of the future. We are in the midst of a great movement- Wales,Iceland, Ireland are all better than England at the moment- sorry if you can't accept it- My grandmother was from Brighton and have relatives in Norwich area- but the reality is what it is.

On another note our DA team starts this weekend - hopefully the storm does not postpone the match- good luck, Not Pretty Ignorant

Anonymous said...

Many players from Iceland, Wales and Ireland have been developed at English academies. Especially Wales and Ireland.

Anonymous said...

I am new here and new to the NJ soccer world. My son is 2004 and played for Staten Island United (now part of Cedar Stars). Many members of the team have left and transferred to Cedar Stars Academy in Monmouth. My question is if I am going to drive at least an hour am I better off looking at PDA, World Class, Gottschee or stick with Cedar Stars? I have already paid a lot of money so this year may be locked in, but more for the future. Please rank each option and perhaps give the pros / cons of each. Thank you for your advice.

Anonymous said...

WC and BWG are not realistic from SI. Too far. PDA is good and close but competitive. Red Bulls?

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Anonymous said...

Sounds like you answered your own question - stay. If he's a great trainer that's all that matters in my book.

Your boy can always tryout elsewhere if you want to see how he measures up. But it is stressful and could work against a young man's psyche. Worth it?

There are a lot of SI kids playing in NJ. If you don't look at your monthly EZ Pass bill it's not that bad.

PDA has their kids fundraise and do a 24 hour soccer marathon. The minimal suggested fundraising amount was around $400. Then there is the golf outing and the awards dinner. Other clubs do this stuff too, or have you pay extra for indoor soccer, a futsal league, summer soccer, etc. You basically end up paying more than just the tuition price for these clubs so keep that in mind.

BTW groceries at a NJ Stop and Shop are cheaper than SI ones. You can try to recoup your Port Authority donations that way, along with the gas.

Anonymous said...

South Carolina DA suspends operations

http://www.scbatteryacademy.com/home/913785.html

Anonymous said...

Not a good opening weekend for NJCSA. Looks like more of the same for NJCSA. If more of this happens then there will be a parental mutiny over there. PDA u14 lost, the u16's lucky to come away with a tie, and the u18's got smoked.

Anonymous said...

Looks like PDA 18 played without a few pretty good players.

Anonymous said...

High school was much more important for some of them. Another example how its ok for some to do things whiles others can't continues at PDA. Heard the father of u14 player bragging on the sideline on Saturday that he was on scholarship while taking his family on a Caribbean vacation. Have had several children come up thru the club and the politics is unreal. The only people that would argue that point are ones that get the favors.

Nothing in NJ academies are going to change till the politics stop.

Anonymous said...

I was told that the only kids allowed to play in HS instead of on their academy team were kids that were getting scholarship money from private schools. Why is PDA allowing kids to play at public HS? Then they come back to academy after HS. Biased system.

Anonymous said...

September 6, 10:34

That is what the rule is supposed to be for, kids on scholarship at private schools. But PDA is applying the rule differently which they can. When you are considered the best players on the team, Coach's son, golden boys and etc... you will get these type of treatment. If I lived in the town of SP and my kid played for PDA I might want him to play high school this fall also. This is just the reality of Academy soccer in the NY Metro area. Keep in mind, this is not the first time PDA has done that, and I am sure they are not the only Academy that has pulled this card.

Anonymous said...

PDA 18 played without 3 top players (FWDs) - not the ones from SP who are young.

Anonymous said...

It's the u16 team that is allowing four players to leave academy to play at Scotch Plains HS. Then they come back to academy after HS. If those kids are allowed, why isn't everyone allowed? I guess there is a PDA coach who lives in Scotch Plains. One rule for some. Another rule for others. This youth soccer business is so bent.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, I was looking for break-up information on a youth soccer blog only yesterday!

Anonymous said...

12:11p.m.
There have been players in every DA academy in NJ that played HS in the fall and then rejoin as soon as the HS season is over. Why shouldn't they? - the 'no high school' rule is ridiculous , and not that old- the myth of 'development' or chance at playing for the national team is well understood by the players who choose high school. Consider several types of players who are juniors/seniors in high school.

The few - already have been at US nat'l team camps or residency program - have a real shot at playing pro - probably not going to play high school anyway

College committed players - especially seniors - their motivation to be 'seen' by college coaches is gone. If the high school program is decent (and a lot more are now compared to 10 years ago) then playing HS may help them get ready for the physicality of college ball

Uncommitted players - These are the ones who should stay in the academy if they think they can land a college spot

Players who know they do not want to play beyond HS/U18 - Why not play HS where they get playing time and the experience of 'Friday Night Lights'?

Of the 4 types of players only the ones still looking for college exposure 'need' to be in the DA.

I know putting a player's interests first is contrary to US Soccer dogma that the US national team will come from the DA but the players that fit that model who are high school age are already out of the high school game - Pulisic plays in Germany as a 17 year old. - and look at the U16-U20 rosters - large number of those are not even in the HS system- the point is that by high school age players are already identified as national team 'pool' players and US Soccer's need to have high school age players in the DA and NOT play high school is misguided. And they want to move this to the girls side too? c'mon

And if your kid can play high school, then go back to DA? good for them

Anonymous said...

Most of these academies make the players sign an agreement that they will not play or train anywhere else. Allowing some kids to play HS during the academy "contract" period seems like a decision by the academy to only hold certain players to that agreement. Obviously the better players have the clout to play HS and come back.

I really don't care one way or the other, but it does seem a bit a bit hypocritical. Just imagine your son getting good minutes, making progress, then the kid who left to play HS comes back and now your kid is on the bench. They should either scrap the rule or enforce it.

Anonymous said...

Other high schools should not schedule games with the SP and DElbys of the world
It's an unfair advantage as all the other high schools may have academy players that don't have this option

Anonymous said...

It doesn't really matter. It's not these academies best players. It's the academies most political tied in players. The best players are playing academy games in the fall so that is where my child will be.

Any predictions on this weeks games?

Anonymous said...

My son is 2003, and playing for Csa Newark. He just got accepted to Next Gen Monroe, can someone give me feedback on their program. If he goes, he will miss 1 of his regular practices, and I am not sure if it's worth it.

Anonymous said...

While playing with his local club team, my son had been participating in RB RDS winter and summer programs for a few years and has been invited to the NJYS YOP (w/o tryout) this winter and to also try-out for the RB Winter Showcase team.

He has since joined PDA and, as mentioned above, signed an agreement to not participate in outside training and play with other teams without permission, but he is not on an 'A' team or Academy roster.

I'd like for him to gain the additional experience and training from those programs but not at the risk of losing his place (if don't ask) or being denied (if do ask).

Have thought about asking his coach what he needs to improve on to raise his status to eventually move up to the 'A' and Academy teams, even before these opportunities, and, along with the Dir of Coaching, if there would be any issue with him receiving supplementary training and playing one-offs in the off-season through NJYS YOP and RDS...is that acceptable?

For non-Academy/A players, would imagine more freedom allowed outside the team but could just be wishful thinking. He is one of the better players (top 2-3) on his team, and fits in vs. A team players during scrimmages, but still needs work on key parts of his game to make any jump.

Appreciate guidance from anyone out there who may have went through a similar situation and how best to frame/handle...

Anonymous said...

September 16 1:51

Since he is not on an Academy team, I don't think they'll have problem. They obviously want the kid to get better. Now if you start to miss games and practices, that is another story.

Anonymous said...

I think you should get permission to play with RB. Isn't that what you agreed to?

Anonymous said...

Yes, think requesting permission is the correct route.

However, as his first season with PDA, it all seems a bit sudden, as the tryout for the RDS winter showcase is on Oct. 17 (would miss a training day) but the one-day training session and indoor tournament, if accepted by RDS, won't be until Feb or March 2017. Same with the NJYS YOP where the two training sessions are in mid-Feb and early March. No tournament or games as I know of unless gets selected to compete vs. RDS in a one-day reward situation. Seems quite soon to ask permission for something so far away, that may or may not happen...

Perhaps just register for both now, attend the RDS tryout, and then request permission in January for the YOP and RDS winter showcase if accepted?

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, in the past, PDA has released players for doing these activities. I know its a great thrill for your child to be selected for these types of soccer opportunities but as your kid gets older you'll realize they mean nothing. I'm sure your goal is to have your child get better. The best thing your kid can do is dribble in the back yard, set up cones to work on technical skills, juggle to set new personal records, etc. They will release your child. You have to ask yourself if its worth it. You can ask after the fact but it's clearly stated in your welcome email. Sorry. Remember making an RDS showcase team means nothing! Honestly the training isn't as good as it once was.

Anonymous said...

If you know the right people at PDA, your son can train and play where ever he wants to but the rest are treated differently. Sad but true. If PDA does allow this, keep it quiet because other parents will be jealous.

Anonymous said...

It's impossible to keep it quiet. The soccer world is a small one.

Anonymous said...

Does PDA countersign the agreement that they won't bring in new players, or that they will offer other training/supplemental practice to advance the boy? Will they let him 'guest' on another team for a tournament? If you don't get a good answer, then go to whatever supplemental training you can find, if he is really good enough, or favored enough, he will be allowed to do both. In the past, kids who played club for PDA , made RDS showcase teams, but did it 'under cover.' Eventually were offered spots on RB academy teams. PDA does not want its players leaving for other opportunities because it loses some players every year to RBs. - the very stated purpose of YOP is literally advertised as-

"The Young Olympians Program, designed specifically for players born in 2004, is the next step for players preparing for the NJ Youth Soccer ODP. Players will be selected for the multi-session program after two initial tryout sessions. The Young Olympians program will focus on improving the player’s technical ability and tactical awareness while exposing players and parents to a US Youth Soccer and NJYS ODP environment. Since partnering with the Red Bulls in 2014, this program has also identified players for the Red Bulls’ Academy."

However, RB has a history of turnover on its teams so be honest with your motives for doing YOP/showcase teams. If you are hoping he will earn a spot on RB academy team be aware of that turnover. The ODP program has been a poor return on investment (at best) for many years or a money grab (at worst). Interestingly, RB also restricts what other programs their players can do - including no ODP.

I would register now, see how his playing time is during the Fall, then see if he makes the RDS/YOP programs, then seek permission.

Anonymous said...

Some of those kids that made RB were cut from PDA first. Others got cut from PDA and didn't make RB. ODP is a money grab and your kid won't get much from the training. The RDS showcase is just a practice and a small indoor tournament. As far as RDS training, it's not the same as years ago. The quality of the coaching staff has dropped and all they do is advertise that their academy players started at RDS but the reality is they might have done maybe one or two. Do the summer camp if you think you kid wants to looked at by the RDS staff. Be aware, although they say otherwise, the RDS staff has absolutely no say in who makes the academy.

My advice is have him do cone drills and dribbling during the PDA season. And if you feel it nessesary to buy into the RDS propaganda then do a camp at Golden goal. PDA can't do anything about your summer raining but they will cut your kid and keep your money during the season. They have done it to several players.

Anonymous said...

Very cool way to open the new CSA facilities last evening with a scrimmage vs Equador U20's. Place looks great and new begginings are very optimistic

Anonymous said...

Thanks all for the feedback. A lot of food for thought. PDA is a great place and don't want to disrupt his progress and perception there. He is doing ok and has an opportunity to compete against many good players in his age group which should allow him to see where he rates and needs to improve. On the other hand, don't want to close doors for other opportunities as never know what may arise down the road. Will see what happens this first season and take it from there. Agree the winter showcase at this time is not that big of a deal - though it was exciting for him to know he was selected to tryout.

Anonymous said...

TSF U12 looked terrible against cedar stars u12 yesterday. Cedar stars won both games easily

Anonymous said...

What about the csa older teams?

Anonymous said...

The u18 and U16 played PA Classic. U18s lost and U16 tied.

Anonymous said...

U14's beat Virginia Dev Academy- 3-1

Anonymous said...

Who the heck is the Virginia Development Academy? Virginia can't yield a competitive academy with what they have, now they dilute it with amother academy.

Anonymous said...

You have no clue what you are talking about. Virginia's only previous loss was to DC United. And DC United pounded Philly Union 5-0, so do the research. You know what don't do the research - I will keep you informed

Anonymous said...

Yes, keep us all informed on the nonsense of CSA soccer. Look at the results of DC United and Richmond United at the older ages...the ages where it matters. Stop being a stupid soccer parent.

Anonymous said...

There it is Mr American Soccer Parent- RESULTS - you are right in line with the rest. Results are great but those boys who were/are at those 2 Va academies are playing at UVA, VCU, American U, Wake Forest ( Harkes), and on and on. So yes you can say a certain NJ team sent 18 boys to college- that is great too. Bottom line is all the teams we are playing are very good and the results are just that results. Watching my kid play MetOval, Balt Armour, Va Dev Acad, etc- talent level is very similar on all teams and is really great soccer to witness- kids are developing and thriving in this environment. Really good things are happening- keep watching that scoreboard Mr Soccer

Anonymous said...

Oh my goodness. So you hawk the college rosters to see where what clubs the kids played at. What is your kid 8th grade or 9th? Are you already looking for that full ride to UVA or Stanford? Your poor kid. It must be tough having a father that is micro managing his development. Just let your kid play and stop making your rediculous arguements.

Your kid is at CSA. Why isn't he at RB or Union? That will ensure not only a top 25 college program but real money. Those 18 RB kids got no less then 1/2 rides to their schools and the balance from merit money. Not the case at other academies so you should get your kid to RB. Quickly!

Anonymous said...

I will let you know in 2 years where my son committed, good luck Mr Red Bull /Union is the only path guy.

Anonymous said...

You have a lot of faith in CSA. Your son is 14 and he's committing in 2 yrs? Good luck with that!

Anonymous said...

I didn't say it was the only path. But you are talking about development and college commitment when you kid is in 13/14 years old. I think the whole soccer world will say you are delusional and a bit crazy.

Tell us all, where were you (or shold I say your son) before the all magical CSA?


Anonymous said...

Talking about development at any age is far from delusional and/or crazy.

Anonymous said...

But you are not talking about development. You are talking about college commitment after your team won their first game of the season. Did you ever think your perspective of development is askew. Many of us think it's askew because you are shaking your pompoms so feverously for CSA when many of us know the truth.

We are all glad you guys won your first game. Hope you got your game schedule emailed to Coach Gunn. Stanford has been waiting for those 8th grade players at CSA.

Anonymous said...

With all the changes to ownership, facilities and staff, knowing the "truth" about CSA is a misnomer. You, as well as I, know the past. The present is still in flux and the future is TBA, but the needle is definitely pointing up.

Some mock this guy for talking about college so early. I also think is it odd to be so fixated on results as the only barometer of success, as so many do.

Anonymous said...

I agree, development isn't always measured in wins. But this guy kept talking on how great the u14 CSA team was with all the development with not even a month of preseason. (If you look at the coach, those in the soccer world long enough know this guy doesn't have a good track record regarding development. In fact, he was fired then rehired at CSA.) Then they win their first game of the season against VDA and he's talking about college commitments.

Anonymous said...

I haven't been in the soccer world a long time, so what are the names of the coaches (local or regionally) who have a good track record for development and why?

College commitments IMO don't necessarily have any thing to do with player development in most circumstances.

Anonymous said...

I see some discussion about RDS Showcase. My son made the showcase team at a pre-academy age. How good are those teams? Do many of those kids go on to make the full academy at 12 or 13? Do the winter showcase kids also play summer showcase? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

The RDS showcase teams tend to be very good talent wise. A group of their current 2005 RDS kids just traveled to Canada and did well. Some of these kids will probably make the academy team, most won't. RDS and the actual academy are not one in the same. RDS can make strong recommendations and give them a headstart for a tryout/trial but nothing is guaranteed.

BTW- most academies have their own methods of pooling and selecting talented players (I purposely did not use the word 'develop') including NYCFC and Philly Union.

Anonymous said...

Are you saying that RDS does not develop players? They are not solely responsible foe a young player's development but they certainly add to it and it could be the first step to entering their academy.

Anonymous said...

Why does RDS have a 2005 team? Isn't that the same age as the U12 Red Bulls Academy team? Will RDS have a permanent 2006 or 2007 team next season?

Anonymous said...

The majority of all u12 Academy teams are predominately made up of 2004s, some 2005s, and a stray 2006 here and there. And since they play two small sided matches each weekend- the teams can divide the roster in anyway they please.


The Red Bulls RDS team is better described here - http://www.redbullsacademy.com/new-york-red-bulls-expand-youth-platform---launch-pre-academy-teams/

Anonymous said...

The RDS 2005 team is not an academy team, they are considered pre- academy. This year the U12 USSDA academy teams are actually 2004 birth years, with some 2005 kids playing up. Next year (2017-18) the USSDA will conform to the new birth year model. The U12 academy teams next year will be 2006 birth yrs. My son is an '05 who currently plays age up on a U12 academy team;next year his age group will be U13. Hope that makes sense. It really amounts to the fact development academy soccer is one year behind birth year changes.

Anonymous said...

Very helpful 4:19PM, thanks. So next year, USSDA Academy teams will start at U12 and be 2006s, right? I guess that also means some 2007 top kids will also go up to U12 academy, which is quite a jump up from playing 7v7 games now. Sounds like the true Academy programs will need to locate the best 2006s and 2007s to get their youngest academy teams off the ground running. I did not know those younger kids were so close to USSDA Academy age.

Anonymous said...

Yes that's correct @4:43. Since there are '05's playing up with '04's this year, I am sure there will be '07's playing up with the '06's too. It is a much faster pace, but the boys are playing small sided 9 v 9, 30 min halves. Also, the 2 team/2 game format per weekend is nice. All kids roster, all kids play. I know that will change I am sure at the U13 level.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I had no idea a kid as young as 10-11, born in 2007, could play US Academy Soccer next year (if they play only one year up). Academy starts much younger now than in the old days. I guess that is good.

Anonymous said...

The Red Bulls post all of their U14 games via you tube. They have not posted a certain game against Cedar Stars Monmouth, I wonder why? Red Bulls won 5-3, but I was there and everyone , I mean everyone saw that they were outplayed. Except for 2 goalie boo boo in the beginning CSA monmouth showed they are very much on the up and up, when the video arises - you view and make your own decision.

Anonymous said...

Red Bulls played Cedar Stars Monmouth down in Tinton Falls. Better question is did the home team tape the game and share it with RB to post? Another question is why doesn't CS Monmouth post all their games on YouTube so people can see the quality of the club and come to their own conclusions. It would benefit the players and teams to have a videos of their games for analysis and showcase purposes... if you are confident in your product.

Anonymous said...

We are still talking about this amazing u14 CSA team? THE one with the unbelievable development? THE one where all the boys are getting full D1 rides to colleges of their choice? THE one with parents that are living thru their kids on the pitch?

THE one with only 2 wins in 9 games.

Please stop your craziness and just let your kids enjoy the game. I have this image of you bribing your kid with $20 for each goal he scores.

Anonymous said...

How was the redbulls u 14 outplayed?they won,in soccer dont matter how you win,a win is a win,thats all people wake up,like i said before csa top of the line facilities dont mean nothing,coaching and good training is what matters,they try selling a great product but its been a mess forever,from daddy coaches to bad training,parents crying to coaches and tab,favoritism,bla bla bla,nuff said,,,,,,,

Anonymous said...

CSA still not perfect but the "daddy coach" argument has to go. Obviously not a poster with recent knowledge of the club. Coaching is for the most part good.

Anonymous said...

The DOC is not good, period. All you have to do is watch the u16's play, which is his team to recognize it. Parking the bus and favoritism with parents speaks volumes for him as DOC. The u14 coach was brought back after being told he had to leave in the middle of a season, a few years back. The academy teams are trained by a guy from Marlboro who is only there because of Tab. I think the soccer community would disagree with "coaching is for the most part good", in fact I believe the majority would say it is substandard for a town club team.

Academy programs in the USDA deserve better coaching.

Anonymous said...

Maybe this is naïve, but wouldn't an MLS youth academy team almost always be better than a team like Cedar Stars, TSF, or even PDA? Wouldn't the best kids in each age group choose the Red Bulls or Union Academy over those others if selected? I know one kid whose parents drive him over 1 hour each way to the Red Bulls academy even though other non-MLS academies are much closer.

Anonymous said...

TSF would be my absolute last choice of a any club. They're a fraud of an academy. The only academy team they have is u12 and they tell parents they're are a full academy. I wonder why so many good coaches have left recently.

Anonymous said...

My son will be going into U12 next season. U12 starts the USSDA Soccer Academy age. Does that really matter? If he is serious about his development does he need to try to make a US Soccer Academy team at U12 like Red Bulls or PDA or can he stay with his current program that has a strong team?

Anonymous said...

The decision is up to you and your son but consider that the USSDA is the highest level of youth soccer in the country and it is where, theoretically of course, the elite players choose to go. Does it provide the best opportunities for development? Your guess is as good as mine. He should try out for academy teams and see if he makes it first and then decide. The most important thing is that he's happy with his team and coach and you feel that he's in a positive environment for him.

Anonymous said...

We always hear of the deficiencies of the college game when it comes to developing a top notch soccer player - short season, less than optimal competition, etc.

However, it appears that only a fraction of the top level DA talent is good enough to even play at this level (previous comments "you better be one of the best 3 kids on the team," etc.). Seems like this is the ultimate goal.

So is the college level very high, but the best we, and the DA, can do is produce talent at this level, not consistently at the pro/international level? Would like to hear your thoughts...

Anonymous said...

Not sure the college post is correct, I think the majority of Union and Red Bulls academy kids are playing D1 college (or better, USL, overseas, etc.). I think it depends upon which "level" of Development Academy you are talking about. There are two DA levels in my opinion -- "MLS level" and "non-MLS level." If your kid is non-MLS level then yes, I think it would be best if he was one of the top 3 on his team, not sure if that applies to MLS level.

Anonymous said...

Anyone know what schools play better soccer. The Big 10 Colleges or Patriot League for the best level of play? Opinions are welcomed and appreciated.

Anonymous said...

The Big ten athletic conference would probably offer the best level of play because it is made up of large public universities where student athletes can pay less in tuition. These universities probably have bigger budgets and salaries for coaches, which would attract better coaches. These schools accept more students so they have more student athletes to choose from. Patriots league is made up of smaller, private, more expensive colleges where admission is more selective.

Anonymous said...

Any thoughts on CSA Monmouth Academy performance over the fall 2016 season? Good, bad, indifferent?

Anonymous said...

CSA Monmouth did ok at Academy. The younger teams U12 and U13 were fairly week and the program needs to draw better talent once their new facilities are done. The older ages did better. CSA is in recruitment mode now, trying to find better kids to join the program. They will improve greatly next season in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

The U12's improved greatly after a slow start to the season if you look at their record. They started to mesh and the coaching is very good. They beat and tied PDA the second time they played them. The U15/16's had a winning record, they did well. I agree with above post, they will definitely continue to improve and attract more talent but the foundation appears to be there this year.

Anonymous said...

Wake me up with the u15/16 are at least a playoff team. 9 easy points in Florida doesn't fix them being a daddy boy club.

Anonymous said...

I am an elite player from New York. I was getting international looks in Italy at a young age. I was on an academy and missed tryouts one year because I was in Italy training. The club held it against me. They said I was not loyal to the club and bad mouthed me to all other academies surrounding me. I got screwed royally. There is a lot of corruption in the academies. I am much better than most of the kids on them but because the New Jersey daddies got money they can buy their kids a spot on the team. I've seen this even with the mls academies.One time at Red Bull's I tried out and it was final cut day and they had to choose between me and one other kid. The other kids dad gave the coach a Porsche and of course he got the spot. The academy system is very corrupt. If I grew up in another country like Italy, Spain, or England, I would've been on the US Natiomal team right now. The US will NEVER be able to compete with other countries and it's not because they have better talent. It is because they are not corrupt in there youth systems as we are here. They just know how to play the game. They see nothing else. All they care about here is size. It's not what you know, it's who you know.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you that you have to know the right people to get ahead in this country. If your parents don't have a special relationship with the coach, you won't get the same opportunities. In other countries, a talented player is identified at a young age and given every development opportunity. Who you know or how wealthy you are has nothing to do with it. Coaches only want to play the biggest players because winning is valued above all else even at the young ages. My son was developing very nicely and suddenly benched after several years. A coach told me that the owner didn't consider me to be a VIP customer

Anonymous said...

Thumbs up to the Cedar Stars for producing a first round pick for the MLS.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars hasn't existed very long so how can they get all the credit?

Anonymous said...

Congratulations NJSA04!

Anonymous said...

Jakob Nerwinski
Selected 7th overall by Vancouver Whitecaps FC
Position: Defender
College: Univ. of Connecticut
Player Development Pathway: Nerwinski played three seasons in the Development Academy from 2010-2013, all with the New Jersey Cedar Stars Academy.

Anonymous said...

15-Jakob Nerwinski

PRIOR TO UCONN: Played four years at Notre Dame High School in Lawrenceville, N.J. for head coach Mike Perrone ... Scored 21 goals and added 19 assists as the team captain for Notre Dame during his senior season ... Was named to the All-State, All-Area and All-CVC First Teams while also being selected as Team MVP ... Earned All-County honors in each of his four years ... Holds the single-season goals scored record at Notre Dame and ended his high school career as the program's top points scorer... Played for the NJSA 04 Developmental Academy team under Tab Ramos and Antonio Meza since 2005.

Anonymous said...

coachrichjs@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

TSF Academy Announce Expansion Teams In US Soccer Development Academy


After a succesful debut season, TSF Academy will expand their US Soccer Development Academy program to now include teams at U12, U13 and U14 age groups from Fall 2017.

The Development Academy Program focuses on positively impacting everyday club environments to assist in maximizing youth player development across the country. The Development Academy values individual development of elite players over winning trophies and titles. The Development Academy sets the standard for elite environments for youth soccer clubs nationwide and is a part of U.S. Soccer's global leadership position in youth soccer that will impact thousands of players.

From first being accepted into the US Soccer Development Academy in January 2016, TSF Academy have invested heavily and placed huge emphasis on player development and providing the best possible environment for all our players.

TSF Academy are highly honored and proud to be given the privelege by US Soccer to continue providing the opportunities to our players to compete and develop at the highest level.

Director of Coaching, Luis Mendoza, described the expansion as, "a great honor for all our players and coaches for all their hard work and commitment over many years. The players have shown great energy, enthusiasm and desire to improve, and this is just reward for all those efforts."

TSF Academy will be hosting initial player identification sessions for all Development Academy teams in February. For more information on the process, or to pre-register online, please click here:



All players wishing to attend these sessions must pre-register online and receive an official invitation before attending.




Anonymous said...

There is a tryout section of this website.

Anonymous said...

Huge emphasis on player development from TSF? That's a laugh. Your club only cares about winning at all costs, teaching kids about professional fouls and giving other kids 5 minutes of playing time or none at all. Your club has turned so many enthusiastic kids away from the sport.

Anonymous said...

Wow, a disgruntle former TSF parent.

Anonymous said...

In response to the post about TSF winning at all costs, my son has played for TSF for the past two and a half years. That has not been my experience at all.

If you think TSF has a win at all culture, tell me what you think about Cedar Stars?

Anonymous said...

I don't know Cedar Stars so I wouldn't comment but I do have experience with TSF. If your son is treated well, you must be considered a VIP customer by the owner. I was not and my son paid the price for that. They are unprofessional and unethical and BTW, I got a full refund because they could've been sued for breach of contract. I know other parents were very upset by the way TSF treated them.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars does not have a win at all cost at mentality, and that is because they don't win much. With the exception of a few younger teams, most Cedar stars team are in the middle of the pact. Just take a look at their Academy teams.

If you want your kid to play at Cedar Stars, make sure he/she is either very good or your you as the parent become friends with the coaches. Being friends with the staff at Cedar Stars will get you a long way.

Anonymous said...

I would like to ask a couple of questions:
My belief is that any DA team will generally have 3-4 kids that really stand out above everyone else, then you have this large middle group of kids, and then there are a number of kids at the lower end who just are not at the same level as their teammates.
I think you will find this on most youth teams as well. (NOTE: I am not one to be critical of any kids that may be at the lower end of their DA team, as I know there are late bloomers, both in physicality and in the development of their own game).

1. My question is, what really makes a DA player stand out above other non-DA club kids? What are they looking for?
If you believe what I wrote above as I do (and have witnessed the same over a number of years), then you could take that large middle group, and fill those spots with other high performing kids at non-DA clubs (fill in the blank with your favorite club: TSF, MF, whatever) and you wouldn't notice a big difference.

BTW, I still believe if Messi grew up in the US, he would have been overlooked until his maybe his mid to late teens. I still see these really physical kids with what I call mid level skills at some DA clubs. Isn't this all about development? Reminds me of the basketball adage - you can't teach height, or in soccer's case, big strong fast.

2. This question, I will make a generalization, so please everyone do not be offended. If you look a the standings at the end of every year, you will tend to see certain DA clubs that are near the bottom. Seems like year in - year out, they are at or close to the bottom. Would you want your kid to leave his highly ranked non DA club to go play for a DA team that doesn't seem to do all that well against very good DA competition? What do college coaches think about that? I mean, I know it's about development, but it has to have some results, no?
I guess you get to go to the showcases, but will coaches go and watch your team play in some consolation bracket vs watching, say an DC Dallas team playing Seattle Saunders academy in the playoffs? (I know the playoff system is only for those teams that qualified.). I suppose some lower level D1 programs can't always get the superstars, so maybe that's where they go?

I get the whole DA track to potential professional soccer and national team placements, and it certainly isn't the only path to D1 soccer and beyond - but I know you get lots of coaches to these showcase events, so it helps. Just trying to see if it's worth it to go that route.

Would love to hear your thoughts, thanks.

Anonymous said...

Ok, so I posted the last comment on March 27, at 10:37 pm, but I hadn't read much of the prior comments before posting. So I did learn a few things. I understand that a poster's particular treatment by a club will not be uniform, but I can say that I personally know several kids who played at TSF and absolutely HATED how they were treated. I don't understand their philosophy of giving a kid 5 minutes in one game over an entire weekend, after he has flown all the way to Dallas or whatever tournament you are playing in. It's clear they are just interested in having people pay $$$ for training.
I find that absolutely horrendous behavior.

Anonymous said...

The owner caters to his VIP customers and gives their kids plenty of playing time. It doesn't matter to them if there are other kids deserving play time on the bench. My son wanted to play so badly and they kept telling him not to worry, he'll get his chance. He waited all season for a moment that never came. His confidence and enthusiasm were crushed. He was never the same player after that. The coaches are total muppets and just do what they are told. What a disgrace!

Anonymous said...

The coaches tell parents that only training is important for development which the coaches know is total BS. Their embarrassment is obvious.

Anonymous said...

March 28 9:05

I am not trying to be mean on what I am going to say. I also understand that the favoritism runs across all clubs from the Red Bulls to TSF. But why take a kid to a club knowing he is not going to get much playing time. As a parent, you should know what level your son/daughter is playing at and you should also know the level of the team your kid is trying out for before you go there. I am not taking the side of the Club/team, but a lot of parents want their kids to play for TSF, Red Bulls, PDA etc... because of the clubs name and maybe the kid is not at that level. Le me ask you this question, if your kid was in the starting 11, playing lots of minutes or even if the kid was number 12 or 13 on the roster would we even be having this discussion. Think about that.

Anonymous said...

I disagree with your comments. Parents love to say that your kid is a bad player so what do you expect? First of all, a kid tries out for the team, makes it, and you trust the club that they will do everything to help your kid develop and agree to pay them over $3000 for this service. After all, you have a contract stating that playing time will be spread evenly for EDP games and tournaments. What could go wrong? When he tried out, the coach told me he loves how he plays and wants him on the team. He was doing well at his previous club but this seemed like a better opportunity. And yes, we would still be having this conversation whether he's a starter or not. Why do subs pay the same as the kids who play all the time? Think about that. Except , of course, the kids who can't afford the price tag so have financial scholarships. Maybe that's why the coach wanted my son on the team, so he could meet his budget. I know for a fact that there were several players on that team paying $0 and guess what? They were starters. A player who is never given a chance to play in games will never develop at the same rate as the player who gets lots of playing time. I thought PDA was fair with playing time but we left because they were 40 miles away. I should've stayed because TSF was a terrible experience. Some parents may want their kids to play there but I'm not one of them and I will never recommend them to anyone.

Anonymous said...

I know the reputation TSF carries, and it is not a good one. Also, PDA is the same as TFS, don't think they are any different. But at the end of the day, if they told you equal playing time (or spread evenly), they are lying. No coach can guarantee equal playing time.

At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself, how good is my kid? Does he deserve to be a starter? Many parents seem to think that, but in reality, that is not the case.

It sucks to drive to a game an hour away and have your kid only play 15/20 minutes. That happened to my kid when he was younger, but you know what. I did not complayin, I understood that he was the newest and youngest player on the team and I went out found him some extra training on the days he did not have practice and I also trained him myself when I could. Next season my son became a starter on that team and since then he has not seen the bench on any team he has played including an academy team.

Maybe that is something you may want to do for your kid.

Anonymous said...

Try 5 min or less. It wasn't only my son. It was the same 6 or 7. They all left that club and those kids will always remember what TSF did. All TSF's tournaments are more than 1 hr away with hotels and meals also. Do you think it's ok for a coach to ask a parent to go knowing your child won't play? He even expected him to fly to Dallas. So you think it's acceptable that he lied? Not only to me and there's no accountability? That's not what children should learn. Defend TSF all you want but they have no integrity.

Anonymous said...

I would like for people to try and answer my original 2 questions.

What makes a DA player stand out from a non-DA player? What are the DAs looking for in a player?

And would it make sense to leave a highly ranked non DA club to play with a DA club that isn't very successful year in/year out?

To me, DA means the rare track to national team and professional ranks, with college as Plan B. But I still think Plan A is only for a handful of kids, even in a market like the size of the tri-state area.

Thanks, appreciate all thoughts.

GD

Anonymous said...

I don't think the DA player neccessarely stands out more, there are a lot of extremely good players playing club. The difference is that they hold the DA league with high standards.

As per leaving a high non-DA club for a DA club. I'd say that, if your non-DA club is the Baltimore Celtic 99 (which has 5 players already committed to DI UMBC and few to other DI schools) or Match Fit 98 ( which half of their squad is already committed to DI schools) or a club/team like that, I'de say stay with them. These club/teams are getting more DI commitments than some of the academies. There is also no point moving to a DA academy if your kid is going to sit on the bench. A lot college coaches, specially on (smaller, or no big name soccer schools) will rather pick from a high ranked non-DA club then academy.

Anonymous said...

First of all, I am not defending TSF, everyone knows their reputation. The truth is that, if your kid or any of the other kids were starters on the team we would not be having this conversation.

The problem with TSF, PDA, Parsippany and etc... Is the fact that they select 24 players to play in one age group and only have the intention of using only about 14 of those players. Any club you got to, even the local club (those that are competing at high level), if you are 15 on the roster or below the playing time is going to be scarce, everyone knows that.

The fact is, that a lot of parents want to say that their kid is playing for TSF, PDA, Parsippany and etc... when in reality, little Johnny does not belong there.

Coaches lie!!! Remember that at your kids next tryout.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, TSF probably makes a profit because of the fees they charge, even their uniforms are really expensive but their reputation is pretty bad. I've heard so many complaints about them. Even coaches routinely leave that club.

Anonymous said...

Parsippany? Since when are they considered a top club? They're mostly a town club for residents of Parsippany.

Anonymous said...

Check the roster on the top Parsippany teams and tell me if most players are from the town. Also, some of Parsippany teams are playing on the top level tournaments and leagues and parents gravitate towards that.

Anonymous said...

Been through TSF and agree they are terrible. Although my child was one of the top players and received plenty of play time I just don't like how they do business. My child is in the younger age group (U12)and I don't think they focus as much or know how to develop the younger kids.Very expensive and I don't think you get what you pay for. They are a revolving door for players and coaches are not sticking around as well. They are very disorganized

Anonymous said...

GD back to share.

Spoke with a DA parent about my questions. His responses were somewhat enlightening, and as some mentioned, what I expected.
If you take the top 3 kids (making a generalization here) on a DA team that really stand out above the rest, most of the rest fall into that middle group. Same technical skills as non DA club kids, but the DA plays just a little bit quicker, the speed of play.

Definitely leave a DA team if you aren't playing. But don't leave your highly ranked non DA club for DA if you are already getting decent playing time. As mentioned previously, there are non DA clubs (I think Baltimore Celtic and MF '98s were mentioned) getting lots of kids to D1 college soccer.

One last line about TSF, I don't understand what US Soccer or TSF are thinking, by being a DA club for U12-U14, you expect those kids to stay around after U14? They will lose those top 3 kids to some other DA team and then you are back to a better than average team.

Re Parsippany, we all know the talent pyramid narrows significantly in 9th grade, and Parisppany is one of those clubs (town or not) that benefits and gets some decent players. (Holmdel might be another example.) Maybe not as much as some of the larger top non DA clubs in the state, but they are competitive. (Ignoring any vagaries from one age group to another)

BTW, I heard Philly Ukrainians also going DA route, probably younger age groups is my guess. You heard it here first, or maybe I am last. LOL





Anonymous said...

After having listened to a few college coaches, most of them will tell you that they rather take an academy player than a club player for the most part. Unless the player comes from one of the power clubs like Match Fit, Baltimore Celtic and etc...

I was at a college camp with my son and one of the coaches mentioned that if you are playing academy you have a step up on the competition in term of getting recruited. Which I agree for the most part.







Anonymous said...

To GD;
I speak as a new parent in the DA as my son is a U12. My hopes for him would be an opportunity in college, with a D1 or D2 scholarship, playing at a high level. I think most DA parents feel the same. There certainly are parents who think their kid should be shuttled off to Europe, but I think for the most part (with exceptions for sure) most parents are fairly realistic. I know things get more intense in the older DA age groups, as kids start getting scouted for college or beyond and rosters and play time become a major issue. You cannot get seen while sitting on the bench. My son is only 11 but for us, it has been a very good experience so far. Time will tell what the future holds. It's a very competitive soccer bubble out there.

Anonymous said...

For the new DA Parent.

If your son is playing DA at the moments the opportunity to play college will come as he is on the right path. As per a scholarship, I would start saving for college if you are not already. Scholarships available for DI are 9.9 divided among many unless your son is a national level player or just below he will not get a full ride. Very few players get scholarships to DI. As per DII, can you name me a DII school that everyone talks about as being highly academy institution, I can't? So don't leave out DIII schools as some of them play better soccer than DI/DII and are also they are better academic institutions.

Good Luck and enjoy the younger ages groups in DA. It is a whole new world when they reach 15 and become sophomores!!!



Anonymous said...

My son plays on one of the high level teams at TSF. He joined TSF about 2 years ago. He has had a very positive experience. Luis Mendoza has really helped his development and confidence as a player.

I've seen a lot of negative comments about TSF on this board. I don't discount any of them. It is clear that some have not had a good experience. I just want to add some balance and let others know that, at least in my case, going to TSF has been good for my son.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure you notice players on that team who get 5 min or less playing time in games. That's humiliating for a child who's at every practice session working hard. It leads to bullying and teasing from other team members. And please don't say those kids suck and have to get better. Mendoza told me he awards kids playing time to please parents. He listens to parents too much.

Anonymous said...

If it so bad at TSF, leave the club, just remember the grass isn't always greener on the other side. Cedar Stars, PDA have the same issues with coaches. Kids need to step up when the going gets tough because this is not going to be his only disappointment in life.

My kid was a starter for a team the whole pre-season but when the season actually started he was benched for the first 3 games and he could not understand why. So I told my son, besides the fact that your card wasn't ready until the second game, I am not sure why the coach choose to bench you at this point, but I believe that if continue to work as hard as you been and prove it once get your chance in a game, it will work out at the end. In the third game he was put in at the 20th minute and after that, he started the rest of the season.

If your kid has what it takes he will win at the end. Just keep incuruging him to work harder and do better. If he is good the coach will see that and start giving him more minutes.

Anonymous said...

Responding to the guy who's response is toughen up. Sure, that's certainly a life lessen.
But tell that to a 12 or 13 year old kid who goes to every practice, fall and spring season, hardly plays in any games except once in a blue moon and then he gets 2 minutes of garbage time at the end of some meaningless game. Then, parents buy tickets to Dallas for the tournament, and he gets 5 minutes of total playing time? Seriously? How about telling the parents that you are keeping a limited bench, and no need to fly? I'm sure the former TSF coach now at Cedar Stars continues to destroy the love of the game for many. This is about communicating properly and this club and that coach lack this skill and any decency whatsoever. USSDA has specific rules on playing time, starting time, etc. Don't understand why USSDA chose these guys when they clearly do not demonstrate it. Then again, it's all political.

Of course, everything is sunny when your kid starts. But its really about how you treat people. Most of the people who commented, they and their kids were treated horribly. My kid doesn't play there, but he has had friends go and have such terrible experiences. Anyway, I don't want to type about TSF anymore because it's a waste of f@#%#^ing time.

Parents aspiring for your kid to go D1 via scholarship? Well, 9.9 scholarships divided by how many players on that roster, that full ride ain't happening unless your kid is nat'l team level. Good luck to all.

Also, hope Sascho Cirovski and the other NSCAA coaches can really fix college soccer, going from a fall season into a 2 season sport. That would help development tremendously. But you also need to get these college coaches to train/play the right way.

That's all, good evening. GD

Anonymous said...

Thanks GD. A parent who understands what I'm talking about. I hate hearing smug parents say kids have to work harder and toughen up. Sometimes there's nothing you can do, the coach is emotionally and mentally abusive to a young boy. Management does not care. You leave the club but the damage is done and your child will never be the player he could have been. The coach destroyed the most important thing. Love of the game.

Anonymous said...

"Understand what I am talking about". We all understand and we know that TSF is crap, and they are not the only ones. At the end of the day, if your kid were starting or were the first kid off the bench we would not ben having this conversation.

Not every kid is ready to play high-level club or academy. Maybe, playing in a good local club suits your kid best.

Anonymous said...

You're a very ignorant person who needs to learn about youth development. The frauds that call themselves development academies take these kids after multiple tryouts. And your trying to blame the parents of those kids? If the kids didn't make the team, you have a point but don't blame the victim. Academy players are high level, that's why these players go to those teams. Don't think you know everyone's situation .

Anonymous said...

I know these academies are fraud, everyone knows that. It is not about development it is about winning with these academies. Also, I am not trying to blame the parents and I don't know your situation. I am sorry that this coach promised you and your kid the world and did not deliver. Remember, college coaches are the same way, they promise kids and parents everything and that is how they get the a kid to commit to their program.

What I do know and what you need to understand is that playing time is earned and not by showing up to practice or paying thousand of dollars to these so-called academies but by playing better than the other players on the team.

I have coached for many years and I never promised or guaranteed any parent playing time for their kid nor I never left a kid on the bench that deserved to be on the field. Bottom line, show me that you are better than the 11 players on the field and will be playing.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone what plans the PF pre-academy has for next year? Would CFC ECNL be a better choice than the PF pre-academy?

Anonymous said...

OK Coach you're the all knowing coach
just be a positive influence in these kids lives. You're a role model for them and are teaching life lessons. A good coach wouldn't take a huge roster for financial benefit and then not play those kids. You pick them, you play them. Ever hear of the 25% start rule for academy teams? You don't have an academy team if you're not doing that.

Anonymous said...

These coaches and Academies are scum bags because like you said it is all about the money. Bringing your kid to a tournament and only playing him 5 minutes.

That 25% start rule for the academy is bull shit because most Academies don't follow the rule, also if you understand that rule all it really means is that the coach starts a player and 10 minutes later takes him out. Now that player cannot get back into the game anymore. So I just played the worst player on the team and at the same time satisfied the rule and only gave that player 10 minutes playing time. So at the end of the season, that is not a lot of playing for that player.

Anonymous said...

Change of topic:

I have been watching the US U17 team play and they have had great success, defeating Mexico last night, as well as winning the Nike Friendlies. I really think the disconnect in the US system is college.
If they could change the college season to fall and spring, like the DA and the other youth leagues, that would really help their development, and thus, improve the quality of our players and our pro leagues. Would love to hear other thoughts or comments. GD

Anonymous said...

Wow, as a parent with a soccer-loving kid (2006) moving into the area (Essex County), reading this blog is pretty depressing. We love his current DA club in CT. Aren't there any programs that are mostly well-liked and respected? We've been looking at CSA Bergen, TSF, RBs, and Montclair United/Match Fit. Accepted at CSA and MU/MF and waiting to hear from TSF. I got to see my son in 2nd stage tryouts for the free RB weekly training for 2006s today and, while he held his own, he was not one of the few top standouts, IMO. My goal for him at this stage is for him to develop his skills as best he can and maintain a love for the game. Is he better off being one of the top players on a good club team, getting a lot of playing time, or middle of the pack at one of the DAs?

Anonymous said...

I think it depends on what you feel is best for your son. My son is an 05 who has played in the U12 DA this year. His speed of play and technical as well as tactical ability has greatly improved. Is it always awesome?...no. It's competitive and can be a grind (4x/wk practice). Your child (and parents) have to be all in. It's a commitment. Keep in mind, as kids get older, the harder it becomes to break into academy teams. CSA Bergen a solid choice. RB obviously hard to turn down, but hard to get selected, best of the best there. Good luck... from a (new)DA mom

Anonymous said...

Just some advice, stay away from "B" teams at Academies like PDA. They are not treated like the "A" teams, not worth the cost and the level is similar to a town travel team.

Anonymous said...

Agree. There is no effort to develop the B teams at PDA. You pay the same price and only train twice a week, and do not participate in tournaments. The excitement of participating in at least some tournaments is a good confidence booster. Better off finding a club team with a good trainer.

Anonymous said...

How about their 'new' ECNL boys league teams which I guess would be considered the 'B' team behind the DA teams?

Does it remain status quo or will it improve?

Agree that I would rather at a club that prioritizes the team with good training, etc.

Anonymous said...

I know for one club (they claim) the ECNL Boys team will practice 4 days per week and will be trained by the Academy coach. This sounds like a positive development.

Anonymous said...

Important Issue here. College coach keeps sending my sons DA coach an email to get some feedback on sons playing ability. Sadly, we have not been told anything from our coach that he has been contacted. Makes me worried that other coaches may be contacting our club and we aren't hearing about it. Could somebody tell me how their DA players get informed by their club and coach.

Anonymous said...

What grade is h in?

Anonymous said...

Regarding the ECNL teams. You need to get a training session with the particular team. Some age brackets are top level while others are like sn average EDP team. Watch a practice session , go to one of their games, and look at the standings online

Anonymous said...

May 6, 2017 at 10:02 PM.

What academy? Are you and your son close to the DA coach? Is your son in good grace with the coach?

Remember, this academy soccer, which includes lots of politics.

I have a friend whose son's DA coach lets him know all the time about any Coaches that contact the club regarding his son.

Anonymous said...

Hi all - I have read all the posts on this thread and have learned a lot about youth soccer in this region an in general from all of you. So I have a very specific question that I would love some serious opinions on. Given the choice between a second team spot at Continental FC and a pre-ecnl spot a smaller club which would do you think would be the best place to help 12 year old continue to develop skills? Thanks!

Anonymous said...

I would take the pre-ecnl team. Even though the team that is playing ecnl is a smaller club, they were good enough to be selected for that ecnl. Also on the club that is playing ecnl your son will be on their top team for that age group, which is probably better than Continental's second team.

Anonymous said...

Any thoughts on Match Fit (nj) and fc bucks (pa) as clubs overall, training, etc? I know they are not academy but any insight would be appreciated. Thanks all!

Anonymous said...

Match Fit lost academy status due to poor coaching structure and poor ratings as a club. These scorecards are published by USDA so those are facts that can't be disputed. I'm sure can be found with a quick google search. Since the only change was their DOC leaving and now back as a girls coach, I think you will find the same poor conditions. The family ownership has stayed the same. Chelsea ran away from MF so maybe FC Bucks is the better choice.

Anonymous said...

3:59 thanks for the response. Where can I find that info? I thought they were a well respected club in nj. New to the area. Are there soccer bios on the coaches? Anything on fc bucks? We were leaning towards Match fit. Thank you for any help with this!

Anonymous said...

Yes, run from Match Fit. 4 teams train on one field at the same time. Club is a mess. Don't believe their social media BS.

Anonymous said...

All parents who I know that had or have kids play at match have no complaints. The training is very good and the club has good reputation especially on the girl's side. They are always putting girls on the national team. When my son was there I had no complaints, the coaching was very good and every coach (including owner and DOC) knew every kid by their first name. The only reason my son left, was because he wanted to continue to play academy.

Yes, they did leave the academy on the Boys side, but was just invited back for the Girls academy this year and chose not to accept it.

So if the club is so bad, why would USSDA invited them back to join the girls academy. Look at how many of their teams are winning the state cup, how well the girls are doing in ECNL and how well the boys are doing on club side. Also on the boy's side, they have one of the best college coordinators in NJ.

Anonymous said...

So now MF staff members are replying to the message board.

Anonymous said...

May 20 3:59 is a BS artist.

MF remains a top club in NJ, despite the Princetons (cant field teams at every level) and CedarStars (buy, buy, buy your way in) of the world.

Anonymous said...

MF lost their DA status, fact. MF lost their partnership with Chelsea, fact. Winning teams are the remains of the academy players.

Why are we talking about non-academy teams on this page? MF has lots of problems. No fields of their own. Over crowded practice. Nickel and dime you on everything. Overcharged for travel for tournaments. If you really have a daughter on the girls side you know that is the truth.

Anonymous said...

FC Gottschee,
Well done guys. (Sarcasm!!). Word on the street got out that you guys were playing over-age kids, then the league investigated, and now you have lost your remaining games via forfeit. Your teams are breaking up. Coached kicked out of EDP for a few years. The coach, what an A$$hole! In order for this to work, you needed complete collusion among coaches, parents, and even the kids. Parents, shame on you for cheating, you are terrible examples to your children. What lessons have you taught them? Your kids look up to you, what are you teaching them? So you won a few games using older kids, what were you going to gain? Ugh. Danny Almonte all over again.

Anonymous said...

Are their academy teams effected by any of this?