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Saturday, August 31, 2013

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Anonymous said...

Another weekend.....another weekend NJSA 04 trolling for players to fill abandon spots on their teams.

Anonymous said...

NJSA 04 super Y results are abysmal. They can even beat middling NJ town teams. If this isn't the result of poor coaching, then what is. Where is the accountability.......Oh yeah, we are "developing players"....of course so they are accustom to losing to even mediocore town teams when they get older. Where is the accountability, if these poor coaches were in the real world they would have been sacked from their jobs long ago.

Anonymous said...

The only reason NJSA )4 allow "open" tryouts for their academy team is they are so weak quality players generally don't go there and they simply have to fill the roster spots.

Anonymous said...

So yeah, it looks like the U14 NJSA04 Super Y team is not doing so well this summer; but their U15 team is doing OK who have wins over Ironbound and NJ Stallions. Hopefully some changes are made for the 2014-2015 season now that they are affiliated with Cedar Stars. I'm sure George Altirs is aware of the negative history of NJSA04 and is coming in to make some changes - this guy is a smart business man and has deep pockets and I don't think he would invest in anything or tie his name to something to just let it crumble and die. We'll see soon enough; will probably start to see changes not this season but the next.

Anonymous said...

Given the amount of practice sessions, it is certainly an issue of a poor coach. Also, I have seen that coach scream at players for entire games and practices. Even observed him shoot a ball at players head once. Abusive yes. Express concerns to DOC, they and their child blacklisted.

Anonymous said...

Have u12 player with spot on pre academy team, whatever that is, at NJSA for fall. Am
Concerned about comments about club and coach above before committing to this. Any thoughts about abusive behavior and club in general appreciated?

Anonymous said...

Looks like NJSA 04 U-13 Super Y team is bottom of barrel as well as U-14. How can they even have academy status if their coaches cant even beat town travel teams?

Anonymous said...

I don't know much about quality of training, but NJSA 04 does have two and sometimes three practices a week for U-13 which is more than received at town level.

Anonymous said...

There should be more screaming, yelling, bullying and belittling of twelve year old boys America, perhaps the coach is onto something.

Anonymous said...

From my experience at the club there has been absolutely no yelling or otherwise abusive behavior. Maybe the previous poster could allude to the identity of the coach in question. If he is not your son's coach, then I would not worry about this behavior.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for input. It is U-12

Anonymous said...

That coach is a complete @"-hole. My son was on match fit last season and he screamed at and insulted his players the entire game. It was embarrassing just to be there and watch the spectacle. He is bad news.

Anonymous said...

Meaning he played against the team that he coached at NJSA. I don't know his name but he was English or scotish.

Anonymous said...

Academies need to realize they are running a business. It's not just about generating revenue. As in all businesses models there is a customer. Satisfaction of the business’s customer base is important. Along with the product they produce. First, communication needs to be better than “because I said so” or just ignoring the parent. These coaches can’t talk to players and parent the way they do. The language and abusive demeanor towards children is appalling and sometimes the message being presenting to players boarders on human resource violations in American companies (and isn’t this a business.) Secondly, a standard of quality needs to be present in the coaching staff and the effort they put into their job. Academy coaches should have higher than an E license and have more experience than the average coach. Showing up late and putting on crappy training sessions is not acceptable. Bosses need to supervise their employees. So DOC needs to oversee their employees, not coach their own teams to save the expense of another coach on staff. Game day need to be about development and not win by dumping and running or not playing all the players. If a player isn’t good enough to play then you shouldn’t have taken them or you failed as a coach to teach them. Benchmarks should be set and if a coach doesn’t develop a player then a refund should be issued. If my steak isn’t cooked correctly, I’m not paying for it. If the waiter is rude, I’m asking for the manager and expecting it to be fixed.

All the academies are failing as businesses. Their customer base is not satisfied. Abuse is overwhelming in the NJ Academy system. One academy has been accused of discrimination and cheating. Another lost the majority of their team due to a coach bullying players. This site has chronicled poor super y teams from another academy. They all should be ashamed of the product they provide to a paying customer and not fixing it. Showing their customers they value them as customers and will not condone such behavior.

I know people will say if you aren’t happy then go somewhere else. And I see your argument. The problem is, if your kid wants more then, you have to go to one of these poorly run businesses. Maybe we should all unionize the players and demand better conditions.

Please share your poor business experience on this blog. That is what it's here for. Freedom of speech and a forum to tell the soccer community about things that are wrong.

Anonymous said...

I loved reading the above post because it is so true! A club that we put trusted our trust in and were good customers for 5 yrs. almost destroyed my son. They destroyed his confidence, his spirit, his motivation, hurt his heart and hurt his mind. He was twelve. We thought about reporting this to the police. The abuse was that bad. When we asked for an explanation, they kicked us out. This is a club that brags about how professional they are! What a joke! They gave us half our money back because they know they screwed up.

Anonymous said...

The German academies have a Belgian company to put the academies of the clubs firmly under the microscope: everything from the software to the hardware the clubs use is scrutinized.

They evaluate the clubs’playing fields, buildings and facilities;
they check the members of staff; they focus on work philosophy, on principles and concepts of the education of young players and measure the results against
these standards. They examine their organisation, human resource management and their processes, and thus essentially
assess the overall performance
of the academies with regard to their effectiveness.

The procedure is called ‘certification’, and it ensures that certain requirements
are complied with.

We really need that for the US academy system, but that will never happen due to the sheer size of the US.

Anonymous said...

And if I am reading the Super Y u14 standings correctly, I see that NJSA forfeited three games this past weekend?

Anonymous said...

3:45 what academy was your son in? That is the stuff we need to know about as consumers.

NJSA U14 super y coach should be fired and never allowed to coach in an academy system. Unfair to the NJSA players and the teams that received the FFT win. That is not what those parents paid for. NJSA needs to return money to all the parents that have paid.

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Anonymous said...

My son was at NJSA 04 for two years and DOC NEVER showed up at a single game. He never observed the insane screaming and criticism of the coach -- he is English not Scottish -- not that nationality has anything to do with his behavior. Once, when his game ended he walked over due to the shouting from the coach, and of course it stopped.

A suggestion to Cedar Stars, terminate this coach or assign a chaperone for every game and practice to police his conduct

Anonymous said...

Does anyone really think anything is going to change? Why? The deal is done and both sides got what they wanted. And if they even wanted change, why does anyone think it is even possible? Good luck>

Anonymous said...

Change happens when people speak up.

Anonymous said...

The only thing that will change is your son's position on the team. You should know better than that. It must come from within, and it won't...

Anonymous said...

11:06 I don't want to say what academy it was. Mote people could be hurt. They were glad to take our money, let parents take over the team, provided a terrible environment while the DOC and coaches looked the other way because they saw more $. When it was all over, there was no accountability.

Anonymous said...

Let me be clear. When I say speak up I don't mean to the academy. They have proved they can't monitor and police themselves. The USSF is who all these complaints need to be brought to. There are ramifications cor these academies poor actions and they need to face their governing body. Each academy gets graded, ask Match Fit they just got slapped for a poor scorecard and had their u16 & u18 taken away from them. The USSF has people that look into academy member complaints.

Anonymous said...

Uhhhh, and you think the USSF is going to touch the club some of you are talking about? Really? Considering the people and the $ involved involved? Quite naive are you?

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Anonymous said...

Post the link to make the complaint to USsf. They will be inundated with complaints about Njsa 04 and certain coach.

Anonymous said...

Does MF or PDA compete with the Academy "run" by the heir apparent coach of the USMNT? You really think anything said would be the first time the USSF has heard these things? Also, follow the $ and you will see where the real power lies in NJ.

Anonymous said...

http://www.ussoccer.com/about/federation-services/resource-center/legal/grievances-and-appeals-1/how-to-file-a-grievance

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Anonymous said...

Another tournament weekend. NJSA 04 lackeys out in force shilling on tournament sidelines for players for 01 and 00 teams. Incredible. Any though about looking inward for the cause of this problem, i.e. coach?

Anonymous said...

Who is the "heir apparent" ? Which academy? Please explain.

Anonymous said...

NJSA 04 coach told me other night, there is no home complex for fall.

Anonymous said...

will they be using the cedar stars facility in bergen county? The academy teams are now NJCSA

Anonymous said...

you need to start with an excellent coach who is not just doing his job but has passion. the coach that builds each player to believe in himself and the team. you need a coach that focuses on quickness of feet for an hour and not heading the ball for an hour to waste time. you need a coach who is on time and open to conversation with parents and most importantly the kids. you need a coach who has prepared the season that if practice is cancelled due to weather that an inside facility is already booked. you need a coach who takes the time to ask each player individually where they would like to play on the field, the kids usually know where they feel comfortable and play best. if the coach has a different view then speak with the player tell him your vision you have and the qualities you see in another position. conduct your team with respect for eachother. no one should be allowed to degrade another teammate on the field and reflects the coach not doing his job to control the situation. coach like you are going to play the world cup games and it will be contagious. the kids will give you everything. does any of the academy teams have a coach like this? please answer and then tell me is your team doing well? if your team is falling on the field and the blame goes to players not being quality then you must first examine the coach.

Anonymous said...

If anyone decides to file complaint with USSF against U-12 U-11 NjSA O4 pre academy coach, please advise as I will second the Action. He is a monster and should not be allowed to coach anyone under 18.

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Anonymous said...

If the trainer you refer to has the initials of SM then I agree with previous posters. The guy ran their junior development program and was a jerk go five year olds.

Anonymous said...

No initials, but it is no surprise I am not the only one that thinks this. There must be dozens. He should be deported fro his abuse.

Anonymous said...

Two previous posters: I have reported the clown/monster you refer to to both Cedar stars and USSF. Lets see if they do anything about it.

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Anonymous said...

This attitude stems from the DOC. Ask some of the players on his teams about the comments he makes about players while he sits on the bench. The coaches there are the epitome of unprofessionalism.

Anonymous said...

They will all be gone soon enough when Cedar Stars takes over. Back to double shifts at Starbucks

Anonymous said...

Well put. Like every organization it starts at the top and works it way down. Look at PDA and Cedar Stars and the reason for their success is because of the management. They breed success,

Conversely, since TR has been gone the club has run into the ground because of the poor management at the top. The DOC coaches will say poor player pool, but that is just an excuse. What coach worth his salt lays blame for consistently poor results, year after year, age group after age group, at the players feet

Anonymous said...

My seven year old had a terrible experience with that N
NJSA jda coach . He was so mean and critical my son wanted to quit. The guy almost killedhis passion for game . When will something be done about him . Those there can't file complaints for fear of being blacklisted whichthe doc does there

Anonymous said...

What cool aid is being served players and parents over there to get them to ignore abuse, nepotism, poor results, and lack of any conduit to colleges as no college coaches ever watch them at combines. I want some of that.

Anonymous said...

The cool aid is hope. First it was Tab's name which excited many but he rarely made the rounds to teams. The next selling point was when they announced the new DOC two years ago. They were told that he created the Red Bull RDS Training Program (not! he was actually fired from the RB Program) and would be bringing the same work ethic to NJSA. That dream was never realized and now they are selling the new hope as being the Cedar Star merger and beautiful new facilities. Patents are paying for pipe dreams.

Anonymous said...

My son had the NJSA coach for the JDA as well. We had no problems with him.

People with positive experiences often don't post.

Anonymous said...

Why haven't they been called out about any of this. I just joined club and the veil of secrecy surrounding future and facilities is strange. No other parents seems to be able to give me an answer.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the veil of secrecy, refer to this link:

http://www.socceramerica.com/article/41506/tab-ramos-keep-the-parents-at-bay.html

I think parents are purposely kept in the dark.

Anonymous said...

It's true that people who have had a positive experience rarely post. If someone is treated well they may tell three people. If they are treated poorly they will probably tell about 20.

Anonymous said...

i had an issue an njsa and contacted the doc. he was professional and addressed my complaint immediately. I also believe him to be a great coach. as for the above poster who mentioned coach sm at njsa and said he was terrible, I beg to differ. my son loves his level of training. I do believe some of the coaches at njsa are not top caliber. I would suggest the new owner taking a good look at his staff. good luck to all.

Anonymous said...

To the Aug 14 12:14pm post

I have never posted before but have been with NJSA for several years so let me add my two cents. And a few of you will probably know who this is!

I agree with the good training aspect of his (sm) coaching but his temperament at games IS questionable at times.

But, I disagree with you on the DOC. His temperament is even worse at games than the coach you mentioned. He continually belittles and curses on-field players, not so the players on the field can hear him, but to other players on the bench - nice way to encourage team unity. He has also angrily told various players who wished to learn a new ball move or a field position to go home and watch YouTube because they weren't getting that type of training here. As for being a great coach, his training sessions have gone down in quality over the past 1 1/2years. That is, if you want to call 1 1/2 hour intra-team scrimmages while yelling to 'move the ball faster', training. Listen, I've had several discussions with the DOC and have just come away with my mind numb at the insensitive comments about players, parents and his entire vision of NJSA. The good coaches like Rob Johnson and others are gone because of this poorly run organization. We're viewed as a number, a paycheck and a revenue source, that is all. And the main goal of teams is not player development, but, more importantly, not to embarrass themselves when playing other academies such as RB, PDA and MatchFit. When a coach tells players at half time of a 3-0 game to 'go out and play and don't let them get 6 goals because it will be embarrassing to the club when people look at the scores on the internet' there is something drastically wrong.
Players will develop to a small extent at NJSA simply because they go up against bigger, stronger, faster and better quality players on a weekly basis but certainly not because of the training regimen or the tutalage of the coaches there.

Anonymous said...

Who is responsible for this academy that represents a wide part of NJ whose issues are now known to be common knowledge for at least five years now and why won't the issues be addressed?

Anonymous said...

Issues will not be addressed as long as people continue to pay into the system and they keep getting young kids to replenish those who leave. It will be a shame when all the academy teams move north to cedar stars and all we'll have left down here is PDA. But again, they will still have the club teams playing in maps with the promise to parents that their kids will have a shot at the academy if the work hard, stay at NJSA and, of course, pay the exhorbanent fees for what amounts to rec team games and training.

Anonymous said...

Sounds to me that places like NJSA survive because there are parents who are willing to pay the fees so that they can say their kid plays for an academy, even in cases when they are on the academy club teams.

I have seen three generations of kids go through the township system into academy system, and the three generations I witnessed through my three kids cover a span of about 8 years. On the low end of the talent pool, nothing has changed in terms of the traps that parents fall into..... but then maybe that's just human nature and NJSA is serving that segment of the market.

Anonymous said...

4:25 Exactly why we left NJSA after 2 seasons. That coach is by far the worst and I would never recommend anything that he is associated with. Blatant liar, corrupt and incompetent are the best way to describe this person. Just when you think the team has hit rock bottom, his kid get preferential treatment and is made a starter in a key position. Things my son heard on that bench that he said about kids on that team would send a parent into orbit if they knew what was said. Kids are afraid to talk to parents because he will positively take it out on them if you challenge this cretin. I can see why he was "let go" at his last job.

Anonymous said...


That doc was fired and tr gave him a job to same him from being deported. The cedar stars ca re, as they should, about results. That doc will be swimming back across the rio grande soon.

Anonymous said...

That doc told to red bull players to come to Njsa 04. They came an left four months later. The place is a joke and their coaches end of the road types.. The clown who teaches the youngest kids knows absolutely nothing about the game. Look at his resume if you can call it that

Anonymous said...

Why do some of you give the new partner so much credit for making change? Based on what?

Anonymous said...

It became so bad this year that the U14 team couldn't even field a team for a college showcase in Indianapolis this year. The DOC had to pull half the team in from the 2000 club team. A COLLEGE SHOWCASE MIND YOU! And of course he brought his kid along and he played full gamed at the expense of the regular academy players who are in the team. I guess daddy coaching too is alive and well at NJSA. He really needs to go and also take his 'private' training sessions he charges kids for with him. Incredible when US Soccer dictates 4 training sessions a week for 10 months but NJSA only gives 3 and this guy charges seperately for the 4th. Good luck to you newbies out there. Keep your checkbooks handy.

Anonymous said...

Why does Matchfit get a free pass? I see nothing from them but not one on this site takes them to task. Why? They stink too!

Anonymous said...

Schedules are out. And while NJSA Academy teams are still at St John Vianney turf the Pre Academy teams have been banished to Thompson Park public grass fields for home games. Another cost saving measure by NJSA. Pathetic.

Anonymous said...

MF already got demoted. What more do you want?

Anonymous said...

Why don't the parents question NJSA 04 about that "complex" they have been promising. For one there is none and two if they do Johnny sits the bench for the rest of the season. The place is a joke.

Anonymous said...

The fact is USSF has cleaned house in NJ. MAtch Fit is essentially gone. They could not do the same to NJSA 04 because of TR and preserving his legacy.

Raather than simply drop NJSA 04 like Match Fit, they allowed NJSA 04 to "merge" with cedar stars. It is not a merger though. Cedar Stars gets the academy status,and by next fall all academy teams play out of Bergen County. There is no "soccer complex" as NJSA 04 promised. That was simply a ploy to keep players and parents there. NJSA 04 will be nothing more than club -- and a poor one at that -- with a loose affiliation to Cedars Stars. At best they will be allowed to call themselves a feeder system to Cedar Stars. THhe DOC and his lackey SM are scrambling like rats on sinking ship.

Good luck to all. Parents just ask NJSA 04 the hard questions and you will see for yourselves. IF you don't then you have no one to blame but yourselves.

Anonymous said...

Why doesn't USSDA have more academy teams in NJ? There is a high demand for it. Parents are willing to pay for a good, fair system where their kids will be developed and kids want the chance to play in the academy system. Red Bulls draws kids from 4 states and is almost impossible to get into. PDA is just a mix of a few academy teams and mostly club teams.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but demand is nice, but finding enough quality players to fill the academies is a whole other story.

Anonymous said...

I think there are a lot of quality players around who are not given a chance. Demand to get on academy teams is so high that they don't even have open tryouts at Red Bull or PDA. I think it's absurd to have to drive 50 miles or more to be able to play on an academy team.

Anonymous said...

open tryouts or not. The best players get to where they need to be. A top player in south NJ will be scouted and invited to Union practice. There are many scouts out there. They don't make themselves known so they don't get harassed by the many parents that will pay $2500 to say their kid is an academy player. Or the club player that parent allows their kid to be a big fish in a very small pond.

Anonymous said...

I don't know of one decent NJ 2000 player that hasn't had a chance to try out for any of the NJ academy teams, unless his parents just sit back and complain. Or as someone else just said, hasn't been scouted.

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Anonymous said...

NJSA flunkee's again scouring the tournament sidelines this weekend looking for anyone to fill their empty roster spots. Nothing like a total lack of professionalism, when I doing my job your poaching and pitching your petty wares on my parents sidelines. Classless...

Anonymous said...

Would not be a normal Tuesday without the "scouring the tournament sidelines" post.

It is getting old, we get the picture. Move on...

Anonymous said...

Hey "1:25 PM," if you hate the club so much who cares if you are "blacklisted?" File the complaint and leave the club if it is so bad.

Anonymous said...

1:25 PM, if you hate the club so much, who cares if you are "blacklisted?" File the complaint, leave the club, find another club. Considering all the local rec teams are supposedly better than NJSA, finding a new club should be a snap.

Anonymous said...

There have been mass departures of good and very good players from NJSA this spring and now. Let that be your guide.

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Anonymous said...

If NJSA is a joke, what is the best situation for a very good U10/U11 player in the Monmouth Country area? What are the best club teams (not PDA) that would provide better coaching, competition, and facilities than NJSA?

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Anonymous said...

Oh I get it, you only care about winning and not development. Is the poster serious about U10/11 academy choices. It matters when they are older not now.

Once again, stop being a helicopter parent. Sounds like you might be the problem here.

Anonymous said...

Ah development..........there is the safe fall back for not winning. And I forgot, how does screaming and criticizing players at a tournament in the middle of the summer "develop" them.

I may have to have child leave after fall season -- will I get a refund -- unless coach SM gets some therapy dealing with his deamons or is shit canned by the club.

Final words... and as you would say let's move on

Anonymous said...

I am all for development, but at a certain point, IF you are developing properly, the wins come.

I can see losing by a goal or two if you get all the players in and maybe work on a "concept" in a game situation. If that is the case, hey, you were competitive and who cares if you lost. But that seems not to be the case with NJSA. Losing frequently and by wide margins means either you have crappy players or you are failing as a coach. Not brain surgery here.

BTW, the previous poster was asking about better U10/U11 NON academy choices. Read before you flame!

Gotta go - my helicopter is idling in the backyard!

Anonymous said...

Well said 5:20 and funny too.

Anonymous said...

I see they have a helicopter pad at Thompson Park. Does anyone know if they have room for me to land my G5 there.

A Fabulously Wealthy And Indulgent NJSA 04 Parent.

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Anonymous said...

Let's all face facts. Unless you play for PDA, Red Bull or Union, there is no hope to advancing in soccer in NJ so just let the boys have fun! Otherwise keep banging your head into a wall! The substandard will just keep taking your $. The fix is in. Accept it!

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Anonymous said...

8:39, I probably forgot more soccer than you ever knew and I could care less about any academy designation for my son. So the fact that I am a helicopter dad, whatever the hell that is, is insane. In fact, I would love to NOT pay the fees for these teams and represent my town. Unfortunately the town team is even more dysfunctional than NJSA.

I hear some of the rationalization on the NJSA sidelines by the parents. "We are doing it the right way, we will eventually beat these teams." But they are incorrect, the product is, at this point, inferior. I would love for it to be otherwise and I'm willing to give them a year to prove it.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, sure your not. Spoken like a true NSJA 04 lackey....We'll take your money and see you later. Get all you can now, the gravy train is coming to end for your types when Cedar Stars cleans house, especially aftr reading this blog

Anonymous said...

..and when that happens, like I said, there is a hostess spot for you on my G5...remember, I like my Starbucks lite and sweeeeet.

Anonymous said...

Saying Cedar Stars will clean house infers that Cedar Stars has some involvement in what goes on at NJSA04. I have seen nothing to back that up, but I welcome it.

Anonymous said...

They are professionals and will do it gradually and in time. It was all part of the deal brokered by USSF

Anonymous said...

" I probably forgot more soccer than you ever knew"...Narcissistic much?

You NJSA parents need to get a grip. It's only youth soccer and you are on the wrong blog page to boot.

anonymus said...

t August 18, 2014 at 9:36 AM.
There are only 3 true academy teams in a club, U13/14, U15/16 and U17/18.

Anonymous said...

Yeah but he has forgotten more soccer than anyone else so the fact that U14, U16, & U18 are the only real academies is irrelevant. He will continue his nonsense here on this page.

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Anonymous said...

You are afraid about being blacklisted; now the reason why you are afraid is it because your kid can't make any other academy team and you want him to stay only because NJCSA as bad as you make them to be it is still an academy. That is what it sounds like. Simple, not happy go to another academy!!!

Anonymous said...

Just curious....was thinking about putting my daughter in the U9 Cedar Stars program. Does anyone think this would be a good move? or should I try out other clubs (not named PDA)....I live in north NJ area.

Anonymous said...

Would leave in a second if gave me back my 3K for the year.

Anonymous said...

3:12, my kid just started playing with Cedar Stars in an older age group and so far I have no complains. The practices and games are very well run and the whole organization seems to very organize. The coaches are approachable and parents are very worming. I have only been there for a short while and have no complains.

Anonymous said...

3:26. Thanks for the feeback. My daughter made tsf and a few other clubs but was looking for the best fit for her. I will give it a try and see what happens. Any idea the cost for the year?

Anonymous said...

3:32, I don't know for the younger age groups but for the Pre-Academy/Academy is over two grand not including uniforms. But most high end clubs or academies you are going to be paying about the same anywhere you go.

Anonymous said...

No beefs here, but why do some of you believe the new partner of NJSA has some special sauce that's going to make it right? Based on what?

Anonymous said...

TSF is more expensive than that. Cedar Stars is reasonably priced and more professional, That's why they were given academy status.

Anonymous said...

You have no clue! But that kind of goes without saying for all of us if we are posting on this board! But please. Based on what?

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anonymus said...

SF is more expensive than that. Cedar Stars is reasonably priced and more professional, That's why they were given academy status."

Somebody drinking the Kool aid. Cedar Star bought njsa to get academy status, could not get it any other way.

Anonymous said...

Why would you say that Cedar Stars could not get an academy status without buying NJSA. All CSA (aside from NJSA) received was status to participate in U14 Academy; many other clubs have received that status (World Class, LVU, NYSC), so why would that be any different.

Anonymous said...

In two years of existence, what other club would given Academy status with very little soccer organizational experience, coaching depth and zero track record of developing players past u12?

Anonymous said...

I agree with that statement. Buying NJSA helped them get their foot in the door. But you have to give them credit, what they have done in 2 years some clubs will never do during their existence. Their U13 and U14 are both ranked in the top 10 nationally and they have their own indoor facility and great outdoor field which they rent from the county. I am sure these other factors play a part in their decision.

Anonymous said...

If the trainer you refer to at njsa has the initials of SM then I agree with previous posters. The guy ran their junior development program and was a jerk go five year olds.

Anonymous said...

How did Match Fit lose its academy license? Can they get this back in the future?

Anonymous said...

How does a club get to an Academy Status? How many official Academys are there in NJ ?

I thought TSF was an academy? how about NJ Crush?

Anonymous said...

No & No

Anonymous said...

There is a rumour circulating amongst parents that NJSA coach SM is going to be sacked at end of Fall season. Good riddance

Anonymous said...

NJSA 04 called me and asked if my team would play in their labor day tournament,first for half praice, then when I said not, they said we could for free. Still no

Anonymous said...

Then why is TSF called "TSF Academy" if they aren't an Academy?

And also, does anyone know how many official Academies there are in NJ and what does a club have to have to be an Academy?
Thanks

Anonymous said...

There are 3 official academies in NJ. PDA, Red Bulls,and NJCSA (was NJSA04). Matchfit and Cedar Stars each have a U13/14 academy team. Some clubs like TSF and Stallions use the academy name but they don't play in the US development academy league. I'm not sure how clubs get academy status but take a look at ussdademosphere.com

Anonymous said...

ussda.demosphere.com

Anonymous said...

I heard Match Fit lost their Academy status?

So is NJSA04 now Cedar Stars - so is Cedar stars an Academy now? And how are they an Academy just for 13/14? I know they just started to build their first girls team

Anonymous said...

I believe clubs with USSDA academy status can have up to 5 academy teams. Matchfit was allowed to keep only 1 for a year, and it's not clear what happens after that. For example, RBNY this year let their 1999 age group go and added a 2002 age group to be at 5 teams.

USSDA will probably want to keep a lid on how many teams get academy status, and given that they have just given it to Cedar Starts, I doubt MF will be able to regain theirs, especially with NY adding a new MSL franchise which will also probably have a USSDA youth program.

By the time 2015/16 season starts, my bet is we'll have only 3 USSDA academies in NJ (NYRB, Cedar Stars and PDA)..... this is assuming NJSA is fully folded into CS..... again all speculation on my side.

Anonymous said...

Great. Thanks for all the information! Greatly appreciated

Anonymous said...

Some great posts about academies for those that might not be familiar with the set up but let’s clarify a few statements. There are only 3 academy teams U14, U16 & U18 who play in a USSF formatted league by the USDA. Everything else is pre-academy and is not regulated by USSF. TSF can call themselves an academy but the truth is unless they have U14, U16 or U18 playing in the USDA schedule, they are not. So TSF is not an academy! Matchfit, Cedar Star, World Class have been granted a U14 team to enter the academy system. At the end of the year, they are evaluated to see if they will be allowed u16 or u18 teams. Call it probation. And the score card is not wins and loses but training, fields, etc. This process takes a couple of years. Cedar Star will most likely not get access for u16 or u18 teams at the end of the year but I’m sure will after 2 or 3 years. NJCSA is a separate entity and will most likely remain that way for a while but Cedar Star will have NJCSA to funnel their players to in the older ages. That is not to say that after a transaction period Cedar Stars owner and management team will not implement their ideas and structure. Matchfit is an academy but for only the u14 team. Everything else is pre-academy playing in the NPL league. Their division is the North East Premier Academy League. Because a club plays in this league does not mean those teams are academy teams. It is just a place where clubs with academy teams (u14, u16 & u18) can play. PDA is an academy but they made a decision not to play in the NPL any longer. It’s just a preference for them to play EDP and Region 1. RB dropping their U15 pre-academy team isn’t because of some academy rule of 5 teams, there is no such rule. Word from parents is that it was a financial decision. RB created a 2002 team to get a relationship with those players before NYCFC gets established. A parent from the 2002 team says that the majority of the players are from the NYCFC affiliated clubs from NY.

Anonymous said...

When could Match Fit regain their U16 and U18 academy teams? I play on the Match Fit U13/14 Academy Team. Should I be concerned?

Anonymous said...

It depends if you want to keep playing academy. My understanding is that Matchfit will continue as a club but has lost academy status.

Anonymous said...

Should you be concerned? The question is why they lost their status for the U16 & U18 teams to begin with. If the rumor mill is true, it’s for several factors. Lack of fields, not training 4 days a week, not developing quality players in the eyes of USSF, coaches with insufficient licenses, player/parent complaints over coaches and DOC. My guess is they don’t get the older teams back. They would have lost the U14 team but they were given a chance to rehabilitate themselves. You are there, have they made any changes? I’ve heard they fired the past DOC and hired a new one. I’ve heard they still have a ton of politics which is everywhere but more than usual. They make promises for id2, market training, etc. I meet a father last year at a TIP session whose kid is a keeper in the program and confirmed that they made promises for all this extra stuff to keep him. I looked at the NPL website at the end of the year and the keeper let way too many goals to be considered for such events. Those are the politics that aren’t needed in a program. When they stop, the club will have a chance.

Anonymous said...

Should you be concerned? The question is why they lost their status for the U16 & U18 teams to begin with. If the rumor mill is true, it’s for several factors. Lack of fields, not training 4 days a week, not developing quality players in the eyes of USSF, coaches with insufficient licenses, player/parent complaints over coaches and DOC. My guess is they don’t get the older teams back. They would have lost the U14 team but they were given a chance to rehabilitate themselves. You are there, have they made any changes? I’ve heard they fired the past DOC and hired a new one. I’ve heard they still have a ton of politics which is everywhere but more than usual. They make promises for id2, market training, etc. I meet a father last year at a TIP session whose kid is a keeper in the program and confirmed that they made promises for all this extra stuff to keep him. I looked at the NPL website at the end of the year and the keeper let way too many goals to be considered for such events. Those are the politics that aren’t needed in a program. When they stop, the club will have a chance.

Anonymous said...

9:15 Great post. You answered a lot of questions for the bloggers in here.

Anonymous said...

PDA will continue to play Pre-Academy but only in the U15 age group. At lest that is what is on the Pre-Academy web site. Link to the their schedule http://usclub.demosphere.com/teams/69876825/69877996-69876913/TEAM.html.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have any thoughts about why USSF allows more U13/14 teams than the higher age groups? There are 3 u15/U16 and 3 U17/18 academy teams in NJ. 5 U13/14 academy teams in NJ. 6 if you include World Class,
which is right on the border of NJ/NY. Is this age group viewed as an important development period?

Anonymous said...

does anyone know if the U-14 academies will be doing a showcase in november? i heard the u-16 and u-18 are going to florida showcase but what about the u-14?

Anonymous said...

For the U14s there is a showcase in Dec.

Anonymous said...

Thank you. Do you know where the dec showcase for u-14 will be held?

Anonymous said...

it's early Nov in South Carolina.

Anonymous said...

6:15 thanks

Anonymous said...

For 2000 agree group USDA Showcase Nov 8th and 9th in NC

Anonymous said...

With this all said....so I have it correct. Say for example Cedar Stars is an Academy, because they have a U14 Academy team....but if you play on the U12 team what are you considered? Pre-Academy? so you play on an Academy, but your actual team is just pre-Academy.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know about ECNL? I know in NJ area, Match Fit and PDA only have ECNL teams (and WC).

Does NJCSA have a chance to have an ECNL team in the future in North NJ ?

Anonymous said...

To 9:31,
There are so many leagues and labels around that it's all really confusing to parents. The u12 team at Cedar Stars is a club team unless it is specifically called pre-academy. Pre-academy has its own league. In my opinion,having so many options is unnecessary. Just let the cream rise to the top.

Anonymous said...

Heard that NJSA's new facility will be in Holmdel, specific sight unknown to me, and will include 4 outside fields, one inside field plus offices. Apparently there was a building approval issued sometime in the past week.

Anonymous said...

Yea, right. They have been saying that for three years.

Anonymous said...

Three years ago they didn't just get a few million dollars from the Cedar Stars owner.

Anonymous said...

Just an FYI...they told me it was in Eatontown 0n 36 bw 18 and parkway.........maybe they will have tow. Ya see there lies the problem...when you are lying the story always changes.

Anonymous said...

Here we go again!
The story has always been that the money was there but they wanted to keep the facility in Holmdel, close to Tab's Soccer Center and they were having issues with the community because of the lights and the hours they would remain on. So now, magically, the community is agreeing to this and Holmdel will issue permits? Seems like more smoke and damage control after the beating they've taken.

Anonymous said...

Let's be fair.

If it was so easy to secure a good facility in the area, it would have been done by others by now.

Even the RB don't even have training facility that covers all their needs and they have an MLS team and a mega sponsor/owner.

Complaining is way to easy...

Anonymous said...

Typical whining. 'Not even the Red Bulls have facilities for all their needs'. Bottom line is build it, get rid of the nonsense you have as coaches/dot and stop with the talk. We've all heard it before.

Anonymous said...

And everyone owes you something? Gimme free stuff!

Anonymous said...

Free?
Who said anything about free? NJSA 04 is the last place to expect anything free.
I don't know if you cannot read or perhaps are feeling a tad guilty charging your naive parents a top tier fee for bottom tier training/facilities. Wait, scratch that last part. You have no facilities. They are in the 'plans'. Now go away and work on moving some more pre-academy teams to Thompson Park to save money on renting SJV.

Anonymous said...

Then buy an academy yourself and run things your way. Otherwise, be free to leave where you are unhappy and join the academy of your choice. It is frustrating for all involved, but why all the crying in public?

Anonymous said...

Can't stand the crying then get off of the board or at least say something in your defense other than, 'We're building a complex!'
And hope that all the other parents at NJSA don't read this board because if we all leave, that imaginary complex will really do yo a lot of good.

Anonymous said...

NJSA parents will never leave. Where are they going to go? Face it, you have no options.

Anonymous said...

Someone should send this blog to NJSA 04 parents so the many rather than the few ask the tough questions.

NJSA 04 is a low end Ponzi scheme posing as a non profit soccer club. If their books were audited they would be shut down.

Anonymous said...

I was curious what site people use to check soccer rankings?

I use http://usyouthsoccerrankings.com

and Gotsoccer. BUT gotsoccer doesn't seem as accurate. One example - having TSF boys teams in top 5 in country after not making it to final 4 in certain tournaments.

Anonymous said...

U14 Academy scrimmage tonight NJCSA X CSA @ CSA's facility.

Anonymous said...

To 2:59PM poster.... that ranking is far from accurate. For example, they have PDA Academy 2000 (falsely labeled as NY team) at #16 and the DPA Donovan team at #6. Meanwhile the PDA 2000 team beat RBNY in the regional play off finals and won the nationals in NC. Top Draw Soccer ranking is probably more up-to-date. Go here http://www.topdrawersoccer.com and scroll down to middle of page. While RBNY is still ranked above PDA 2000 (rightfully so), these rankings are also questionable. Gotsoccer is not the place to look for academy team rankings.

Anonymous said...

The way TSF and some other clubs go on about their team's got soccer rankings is ridiculous. The got soccer rankings are received from got soccer tournaments. The more you enter, the more points you can collect. Your team doesn't even have to win to gain pts, TSF enters a lot of tournaments so they can get their rankings as high as possible and the cost just gets passed to the parents.

Anonymous said...

Rumor is coach SM at NJSA 04 is going to be canned w/in 30 days. Heat to great.

Anonymous said...

Rumor is coach SM at NJSA 04 is going to be canned w/in 30 days. Heat to great.

Anonymous said...

About tiem. That guy is a clown not to mention abusive. He should not be allowed to coah children.

Anonymous said...

Y did they wait so long?

Anonymous said...

Here's the rub - how do they replace him with someone better?

Yea, he yelled a lot, but he did know his soccer.

Anonymous said...

True. But there are alot of good young and old coaches out there. Dont be fooled by the accent. He failed in his own country as coach that is Y he came here.

Anonymous said...

Not always true, but I get your point.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone give feedback about FC Westchester. Are they considered to be a good academy?

Anonymous said...

If you can get in and live close, any academy is a good academy, then you go from there.

Anonymous said...

Source at USSF advised this weekend that within 18 months all Academy teams will be with cedar stars in Bergen cnty. njsa 04 will simply be at best feeding system of club teams for players invited and willing to travel north.

I asked njsa about this this week and they had no response. any suggestions on what I should do as I hae a u-12 player there

Anonymous said...

Ask them to put that in writing. Too many rumors.

Anonymous said...

Its just what the person told me. he said the decision was made that rather than force njsa to drop teams like match fit and have everyone leave, cedar stars would step in with undertanding that they would get one academy a year up in Bergen.

made sense to me as I cnt imagine cedar coaches and player oare going to travel to Monmouth county from Bergen to play on rented fields.

any suggestion if my u12 should move now or play on what will be club tema by the time he is 13?

Anonymous said...

If my son was enjoying his team, I would leave him there for now. When you are certain about what's going on, then he could consider trying out for another team.

Anonymous said...

Thanks. My concern is though I am told, I don't know much myself, that its get hard and harder to get into PDA and other quality clubs the older they get. Any thoughts?

Anonymous said...

You can contact the coach of another team that interests you to attend a few practices and your son can see if he likes the team. But I would also consider the possibility that NJSA could still remain a good club just with no academy staus.

Anonymous said...

I do not know if it is certain that Cedar Stars and NJCSA are considered the "same team." If not, why couldn't NJCSA maintain their USSF Academy status?

Anonymous said...

It's possible and I wouldn't rush into anything new based on hearsay.

Anonymous said...

thanks.

Anonymous said...

thanks. I am just concerned as I don't know much about the club academy and soocer but what I read and hear. the negative chat only about njsa 04 and their coaches is what concerns me. thanks for yor insight

Anonymous said...

11:36. Understand question, but if they were to both have USSF academy status, there would have been no reason for cedar stars to have bothered to "merge" or really takeover njsa 04. Y would cedar stars want to merge or takeover a club with 1. no facilities, 2. poor 3rd rate coaches, 3. poor/failed DOT and 4. abysmal team results in all age groups year after year, 5. and no indication of any player development.

Anonymous said...

2:54, yes, I see where you are coming from. I was thinking about this earlier today and could not get past the question: "What did NJSA get from the merger?"

If NJSA ends up with no facilities and no Academy teams, then they really got shafted in the deal. NJSA, I believe, had to get SOMETHING out of the deal? Am I correct?

The only other thing I can think of is Cedar Stars simply paid off some old NJSA debts.

Anonymous said...

Everybody here is saying that NJCSA is moving up north. Word from up north is that CSA's U14 Academy team is combining with NJCSA. Which means that all current U14 CSA players will be playing under NJCSA next fall out of Monmouth county. So next fall the NJCSA Pre-Academy U15 and Academy U16 teams will be loaded with CSA playes from this years current U14 Squad.
CSA is still going to keep their U13 Pre-Academy and U14 Academy teams playing out of Bergen County.

Anonymous said...

How about the CSA U9 Girls. I heard they have decent talent and will be bringing in a lot more talent over the next year. I expect big things out of this team soon...and they will continue to create other great girls teams in the future!

Anonymous said...

By the way, CSA and NJCSA U14 Academy and U13 Pre-Academy teams scrimmaged each other earlier this week. CSA won both games. CSA beat NJCSA 4-2 in the U14 game, but they could of won the game by 8 or 9.

Anonymous said...

People in here are only focused on CSA and NJCSA soccer aspect of the deal and there is much more to it. The CSA owner is a business men number 1 and 2 he loves the game of soccer (just read any articles about him) and as business man first he wants to expend his brand, and what better way to do that then to merge/acquire (which ever word you want to use) with/or another academy that is already established. He also has some kind of partnership with St. Benedict's High School and also just created another CSA hub is Essex County. This is about his passion for Soccer combined with a business mentality; which in a few years is going to pay back immensely on the soccer field and financially.

Anonymous said...

What did NJSA get from the deal? It's only about one thing for them, always was. hint $.

Anonymous said...

What NJSA 04 received was 1. Saving face from having USsf take away their academy status and re embarrasment associated with that as well as allowing one of the 5 greatest American players, tab Ramos, to not have to be associated with a failed academy. 2 NJSA 04 can still claim they are an academy for another year or two and charge their fees and play on parents vanity. After the teams are moved to Bergen they can claim they are a feeder system -- again playing the parents-- to what will be a very strong academy, cedar stars academy, that will be able. To legitimately compete with PDA and red bulls. In 18 months there will only be PDA, red bulls, cedar stars in NJ. Match fit and NJSA or NJcsa will no longer be playing academy soccer. This has already been determined at the USsf academy level.

Anonymous said...

3:02. Ask yourself. Why on earth would they have winning coaches and winning teams drive an hour ringing and half four or five times a week to play at a failing club with as yet no facilities.

Also ask, how come there is no mention of this move or future facility in Monmouth county on the CSa website. CSa can build their own facility in Bergen and get huge take breaks tondo so. They already have a premo indoor facility.

Ask yourself what on earth would cause them to go to month to join a failed club with failed coaches and dot.

Anonymous said...

What Cedar Stars has done in such a few years of existence is very impressive. They came into the industry running and are expanding and being very successful. They have a great management team and they really want to promote the sport.

Anonymous said...

What has been so impressive? Wining a few local tournaments at u11 and u12?

Anonymous said...

It's impressive that they entered the industry with a plan, implemented it and USSF took notice. They are not in it just for the money, they want to promote the sport and are also reaching out to inner-city youths.

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