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128 comments:

Anonymous said...

TSF U12 looked terrible against cedar stars u12 yesterday. Cedar stars won both games easily

Anonymous said...

What about the csa older teams?

Anonymous said...

The u18 and U16 played PA Classic. U18s lost and U16 tied.

Anonymous said...

U14's beat Virginia Dev Academy- 3-1

Anonymous said...

Who the heck is the Virginia Development Academy? Virginia can't yield a competitive academy with what they have, now they dilute it with amother academy.

Anonymous said...

You have no clue what you are talking about. Virginia's only previous loss was to DC United. And DC United pounded Philly Union 5-0, so do the research. You know what don't do the research - I will keep you informed

Anonymous said...

Yes, keep us all informed on the nonsense of CSA soccer. Look at the results of DC United and Richmond United at the older ages...the ages where it matters. Stop being a stupid soccer parent.

Anonymous said...

There it is Mr American Soccer Parent- RESULTS - you are right in line with the rest. Results are great but those boys who were/are at those 2 Va academies are playing at UVA, VCU, American U, Wake Forest ( Harkes), and on and on. So yes you can say a certain NJ team sent 18 boys to college- that is great too. Bottom line is all the teams we are playing are very good and the results are just that results. Watching my kid play MetOval, Balt Armour, Va Dev Acad, etc- talent level is very similar on all teams and is really great soccer to witness- kids are developing and thriving in this environment. Really good things are happening- keep watching that scoreboard Mr Soccer

Anonymous said...

Oh my goodness. So you hawk the college rosters to see where what clubs the kids played at. What is your kid 8th grade or 9th? Are you already looking for that full ride to UVA or Stanford? Your poor kid. It must be tough having a father that is micro managing his development. Just let your kid play and stop making your rediculous arguements.

Your kid is at CSA. Why isn't he at RB or Union? That will ensure not only a top 25 college program but real money. Those 18 RB kids got no less then 1/2 rides to their schools and the balance from merit money. Not the case at other academies so you should get your kid to RB. Quickly!

Anonymous said...

I will let you know in 2 years where my son committed, good luck Mr Red Bull /Union is the only path guy.

Anonymous said...

You have a lot of faith in CSA. Your son is 14 and he's committing in 2 yrs? Good luck with that!

Anonymous said...

I didn't say it was the only path. But you are talking about development and college commitment when you kid is in 13/14 years old. I think the whole soccer world will say you are delusional and a bit crazy.

Tell us all, where were you (or shold I say your son) before the all magical CSA?


Anonymous said...

Talking about development at any age is far from delusional and/or crazy.

Anonymous said...

But you are not talking about development. You are talking about college commitment after your team won their first game of the season. Did you ever think your perspective of development is askew. Many of us think it's askew because you are shaking your pompoms so feverously for CSA when many of us know the truth.

We are all glad you guys won your first game. Hope you got your game schedule emailed to Coach Gunn. Stanford has been waiting for those 8th grade players at CSA.

Anonymous said...

With all the changes to ownership, facilities and staff, knowing the "truth" about CSA is a misnomer. You, as well as I, know the past. The present is still in flux and the future is TBA, but the needle is definitely pointing up.

Some mock this guy for talking about college so early. I also think is it odd to be so fixated on results as the only barometer of success, as so many do.

Anonymous said...

I agree, development isn't always measured in wins. But this guy kept talking on how great the u14 CSA team was with all the development with not even a month of preseason. (If you look at the coach, those in the soccer world long enough know this guy doesn't have a good track record regarding development. In fact, he was fired then rehired at CSA.) Then they win their first game of the season against VDA and he's talking about college commitments.

Anonymous said...

I haven't been in the soccer world a long time, so what are the names of the coaches (local or regionally) who have a good track record for development and why?

College commitments IMO don't necessarily have any thing to do with player development in most circumstances.

Anonymous said...

I see some discussion about RDS Showcase. My son made the showcase team at a pre-academy age. How good are those teams? Do many of those kids go on to make the full academy at 12 or 13? Do the winter showcase kids also play summer showcase? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

The RDS showcase teams tend to be very good talent wise. A group of their current 2005 RDS kids just traveled to Canada and did well. Some of these kids will probably make the academy team, most won't. RDS and the actual academy are not one in the same. RDS can make strong recommendations and give them a headstart for a tryout/trial but nothing is guaranteed.

BTW- most academies have their own methods of pooling and selecting talented players (I purposely did not use the word 'develop') including NYCFC and Philly Union.

Anonymous said...

Are you saying that RDS does not develop players? They are not solely responsible foe a young player's development but they certainly add to it and it could be the first step to entering their academy.

Anonymous said...

Why does RDS have a 2005 team? Isn't that the same age as the U12 Red Bulls Academy team? Will RDS have a permanent 2006 or 2007 team next season?

Anonymous said...

The majority of all u12 Academy teams are predominately made up of 2004s, some 2005s, and a stray 2006 here and there. And since they play two small sided matches each weekend- the teams can divide the roster in anyway they please.


The Red Bulls RDS team is better described here - http://www.redbullsacademy.com/new-york-red-bulls-expand-youth-platform---launch-pre-academy-teams/

Anonymous said...

The RDS 2005 team is not an academy team, they are considered pre- academy. This year the U12 USSDA academy teams are actually 2004 birth years, with some 2005 kids playing up. Next year (2017-18) the USSDA will conform to the new birth year model. The U12 academy teams next year will be 2006 birth yrs. My son is an '05 who currently plays age up on a U12 academy team;next year his age group will be U13. Hope that makes sense. It really amounts to the fact development academy soccer is one year behind birth year changes.

Anonymous said...

Very helpful 4:19PM, thanks. So next year, USSDA Academy teams will start at U12 and be 2006s, right? I guess that also means some 2007 top kids will also go up to U12 academy, which is quite a jump up from playing 7v7 games now. Sounds like the true Academy programs will need to locate the best 2006s and 2007s to get their youngest academy teams off the ground running. I did not know those younger kids were so close to USSDA Academy age.

Anonymous said...

Yes that's correct @4:43. Since there are '05's playing up with '04's this year, I am sure there will be '07's playing up with the '06's too. It is a much faster pace, but the boys are playing small sided 9 v 9, 30 min halves. Also, the 2 team/2 game format per weekend is nice. All kids roster, all kids play. I know that will change I am sure at the U13 level.

Anonymous said...

Wow, I had no idea a kid as young as 10-11, born in 2007, could play US Academy Soccer next year (if they play only one year up). Academy starts much younger now than in the old days. I guess that is good.

Anonymous said...

The Red Bulls post all of their U14 games via you tube. They have not posted a certain game against Cedar Stars Monmouth, I wonder why? Red Bulls won 5-3, but I was there and everyone , I mean everyone saw that they were outplayed. Except for 2 goalie boo boo in the beginning CSA monmouth showed they are very much on the up and up, when the video arises - you view and make your own decision.

Anonymous said...

Red Bulls played Cedar Stars Monmouth down in Tinton Falls. Better question is did the home team tape the game and share it with RB to post? Another question is why doesn't CS Monmouth post all their games on YouTube so people can see the quality of the club and come to their own conclusions. It would benefit the players and teams to have a videos of their games for analysis and showcase purposes... if you are confident in your product.

Anonymous said...

We are still talking about this amazing u14 CSA team? THE one with the unbelievable development? THE one where all the boys are getting full D1 rides to colleges of their choice? THE one with parents that are living thru their kids on the pitch?

THE one with only 2 wins in 9 games.

Please stop your craziness and just let your kids enjoy the game. I have this image of you bribing your kid with $20 for each goal he scores.

Anonymous said...

How was the redbulls u 14 outplayed?they won,in soccer dont matter how you win,a win is a win,thats all people wake up,like i said before csa top of the line facilities dont mean nothing,coaching and good training is what matters,they try selling a great product but its been a mess forever,from daddy coaches to bad training,parents crying to coaches and tab,favoritism,bla bla bla,nuff said,,,,,,,

Anonymous said...

CSA still not perfect but the "daddy coach" argument has to go. Obviously not a poster with recent knowledge of the club. Coaching is for the most part good.

Anonymous said...

The DOC is not good, period. All you have to do is watch the u16's play, which is his team to recognize it. Parking the bus and favoritism with parents speaks volumes for him as DOC. The u14 coach was brought back after being told he had to leave in the middle of a season, a few years back. The academy teams are trained by a guy from Marlboro who is only there because of Tab. I think the soccer community would disagree with "coaching is for the most part good", in fact I believe the majority would say it is substandard for a town club team.

Academy programs in the USDA deserve better coaching.

Anonymous said...

Maybe this is naïve, but wouldn't an MLS youth academy team almost always be better than a team like Cedar Stars, TSF, or even PDA? Wouldn't the best kids in each age group choose the Red Bulls or Union Academy over those others if selected? I know one kid whose parents drive him over 1 hour each way to the Red Bulls academy even though other non-MLS academies are much closer.

Anonymous said...

TSF would be my absolute last choice of a any club. They're a fraud of an academy. The only academy team they have is u12 and they tell parents they're are a full academy. I wonder why so many good coaches have left recently.

Anonymous said...

My son will be going into U12 next season. U12 starts the USSDA Soccer Academy age. Does that really matter? If he is serious about his development does he need to try to make a US Soccer Academy team at U12 like Red Bulls or PDA or can he stay with his current program that has a strong team?

Anonymous said...

The decision is up to you and your son but consider that the USSDA is the highest level of youth soccer in the country and it is where, theoretically of course, the elite players choose to go. Does it provide the best opportunities for development? Your guess is as good as mine. He should try out for academy teams and see if he makes it first and then decide. The most important thing is that he's happy with his team and coach and you feel that he's in a positive environment for him.

Anonymous said...

We always hear of the deficiencies of the college game when it comes to developing a top notch soccer player - short season, less than optimal competition, etc.

However, it appears that only a fraction of the top level DA talent is good enough to even play at this level (previous comments "you better be one of the best 3 kids on the team," etc.). Seems like this is the ultimate goal.

So is the college level very high, but the best we, and the DA, can do is produce talent at this level, not consistently at the pro/international level? Would like to hear your thoughts...

Anonymous said...

Not sure the college post is correct, I think the majority of Union and Red Bulls academy kids are playing D1 college (or better, USL, overseas, etc.). I think it depends upon which "level" of Development Academy you are talking about. There are two DA levels in my opinion -- "MLS level" and "non-MLS level." If your kid is non-MLS level then yes, I think it would be best if he was one of the top 3 on his team, not sure if that applies to MLS level.

Anonymous said...

Anyone know what schools play better soccer. The Big 10 Colleges or Patriot League for the best level of play? Opinions are welcomed and appreciated.

Anonymous said...

The Big ten athletic conference would probably offer the best level of play because it is made up of large public universities where student athletes can pay less in tuition. These universities probably have bigger budgets and salaries for coaches, which would attract better coaches. These schools accept more students so they have more student athletes to choose from. Patriots league is made up of smaller, private, more expensive colleges where admission is more selective.

Anonymous said...

Any thoughts on CSA Monmouth Academy performance over the fall 2016 season? Good, bad, indifferent?

Anonymous said...

CSA Monmouth did ok at Academy. The younger teams U12 and U13 were fairly week and the program needs to draw better talent once their new facilities are done. The older ages did better. CSA is in recruitment mode now, trying to find better kids to join the program. They will improve greatly next season in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

The U12's improved greatly after a slow start to the season if you look at their record. They started to mesh and the coaching is very good. They beat and tied PDA the second time they played them. The U15/16's had a winning record, they did well. I agree with above post, they will definitely continue to improve and attract more talent but the foundation appears to be there this year.

Anonymous said...

Wake me up with the u15/16 are at least a playoff team. 9 easy points in Florida doesn't fix them being a daddy boy club.

Anonymous said...

I am an elite player from New York. I was getting international looks in Italy at a young age. I was on an academy and missed tryouts one year because I was in Italy training. The club held it against me. They said I was not loyal to the club and bad mouthed me to all other academies surrounding me. I got screwed royally. There is a lot of corruption in the academies. I am much better than most of the kids on them but because the New Jersey daddies got money they can buy their kids a spot on the team. I've seen this even with the mls academies.One time at Red Bull's I tried out and it was final cut day and they had to choose between me and one other kid. The other kids dad gave the coach a Porsche and of course he got the spot. The academy system is very corrupt. If I grew up in another country like Italy, Spain, or England, I would've been on the US Natiomal team right now. The US will NEVER be able to compete with other countries and it's not because they have better talent. It is because they are not corrupt in there youth systems as we are here. They just know how to play the game. They see nothing else. All they care about here is size. It's not what you know, it's who you know.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you that you have to know the right people to get ahead in this country. If your parents don't have a special relationship with the coach, you won't get the same opportunities. In other countries, a talented player is identified at a young age and given every development opportunity. Who you know or how wealthy you are has nothing to do with it. Coaches only want to play the biggest players because winning is valued above all else even at the young ages. My son was developing very nicely and suddenly benched after several years. A coach told me that the owner didn't consider me to be a VIP customer

Anonymous said...

Thumbs up to the Cedar Stars for producing a first round pick for the MLS.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars hasn't existed very long so how can they get all the credit?

Anonymous said...

Congratulations NJSA04!

Anonymous said...

Jakob Nerwinski
Selected 7th overall by Vancouver Whitecaps FC
Position: Defender
College: Univ. of Connecticut
Player Development Pathway: Nerwinski played three seasons in the Development Academy from 2010-2013, all with the New Jersey Cedar Stars Academy.

Anonymous said...

15-Jakob Nerwinski

PRIOR TO UCONN: Played four years at Notre Dame High School in Lawrenceville, N.J. for head coach Mike Perrone ... Scored 21 goals and added 19 assists as the team captain for Notre Dame during his senior season ... Was named to the All-State, All-Area and All-CVC First Teams while also being selected as Team MVP ... Earned All-County honors in each of his four years ... Holds the single-season goals scored record at Notre Dame and ended his high school career as the program's top points scorer... Played for the NJSA 04 Developmental Academy team under Tab Ramos and Antonio Meza since 2005.

Anonymous said...

coachrichjs@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

TSF Academy Announce Expansion Teams In US Soccer Development Academy


After a succesful debut season, TSF Academy will expand their US Soccer Development Academy program to now include teams at U12, U13 and U14 age groups from Fall 2017.

The Development Academy Program focuses on positively impacting everyday club environments to assist in maximizing youth player development across the country. The Development Academy values individual development of elite players over winning trophies and titles. The Development Academy sets the standard for elite environments for youth soccer clubs nationwide and is a part of U.S. Soccer's global leadership position in youth soccer that will impact thousands of players.

From first being accepted into the US Soccer Development Academy in January 2016, TSF Academy have invested heavily and placed huge emphasis on player development and providing the best possible environment for all our players.

TSF Academy are highly honored and proud to be given the privelege by US Soccer to continue providing the opportunities to our players to compete and develop at the highest level.

Director of Coaching, Luis Mendoza, described the expansion as, "a great honor for all our players and coaches for all their hard work and commitment over many years. The players have shown great energy, enthusiasm and desire to improve, and this is just reward for all those efforts."

TSF Academy will be hosting initial player identification sessions for all Development Academy teams in February. For more information on the process, or to pre-register online, please click here:



All players wishing to attend these sessions must pre-register online and receive an official invitation before attending.




Anonymous said...

There is a tryout section of this website.

Anonymous said...

Huge emphasis on player development from TSF? That's a laugh. Your club only cares about winning at all costs, teaching kids about professional fouls and giving other kids 5 minutes of playing time or none at all. Your club has turned so many enthusiastic kids away from the sport.

Anonymous said...

Wow, a disgruntle former TSF parent.

Anonymous said...

In response to the post about TSF winning at all costs, my son has played for TSF for the past two and a half years. That has not been my experience at all.

If you think TSF has a win at all culture, tell me what you think about Cedar Stars?

Anonymous said...

I don't know Cedar Stars so I wouldn't comment but I do have experience with TSF. If your son is treated well, you must be considered a VIP customer by the owner. I was not and my son paid the price for that. They are unprofessional and unethical and BTW, I got a full refund because they could've been sued for breach of contract. I know other parents were very upset by the way TSF treated them.

Anonymous said...

Cedar Stars does not have a win at all cost at mentality, and that is because they don't win much. With the exception of a few younger teams, most Cedar stars team are in the middle of the pact. Just take a look at their Academy teams.

If you want your kid to play at Cedar Stars, make sure he/she is either very good or your you as the parent become friends with the coaches. Being friends with the staff at Cedar Stars will get you a long way.

Anonymous said...

I would like to ask a couple of questions:
My belief is that any DA team will generally have 3-4 kids that really stand out above everyone else, then you have this large middle group of kids, and then there are a number of kids at the lower end who just are not at the same level as their teammates.
I think you will find this on most youth teams as well. (NOTE: I am not one to be critical of any kids that may be at the lower end of their DA team, as I know there are late bloomers, both in physicality and in the development of their own game).

1. My question is, what really makes a DA player stand out above other non-DA club kids? What are they looking for?
If you believe what I wrote above as I do (and have witnessed the same over a number of years), then you could take that large middle group, and fill those spots with other high performing kids at non-DA clubs (fill in the blank with your favorite club: TSF, MF, whatever) and you wouldn't notice a big difference.

BTW, I still believe if Messi grew up in the US, he would have been overlooked until his maybe his mid to late teens. I still see these really physical kids with what I call mid level skills at some DA clubs. Isn't this all about development? Reminds me of the basketball adage - you can't teach height, or in soccer's case, big strong fast.

2. This question, I will make a generalization, so please everyone do not be offended. If you look a the standings at the end of every year, you will tend to see certain DA clubs that are near the bottom. Seems like year in - year out, they are at or close to the bottom. Would you want your kid to leave his highly ranked non DA club to go play for a DA team that doesn't seem to do all that well against very good DA competition? What do college coaches think about that? I mean, I know it's about development, but it has to have some results, no?
I guess you get to go to the showcases, but will coaches go and watch your team play in some consolation bracket vs watching, say an DC Dallas team playing Seattle Saunders academy in the playoffs? (I know the playoff system is only for those teams that qualified.). I suppose some lower level D1 programs can't always get the superstars, so maybe that's where they go?

I get the whole DA track to potential professional soccer and national team placements, and it certainly isn't the only path to D1 soccer and beyond - but I know you get lots of coaches to these showcase events, so it helps. Just trying to see if it's worth it to go that route.

Would love to hear your thoughts, thanks.

Anonymous said...

Ok, so I posted the last comment on March 27, at 10:37 pm, but I hadn't read much of the prior comments before posting. So I did learn a few things. I understand that a poster's particular treatment by a club will not be uniform, but I can say that I personally know several kids who played at TSF and absolutely HATED how they were treated. I don't understand their philosophy of giving a kid 5 minutes in one game over an entire weekend, after he has flown all the way to Dallas or whatever tournament you are playing in. It's clear they are just interested in having people pay $$$ for training.
I find that absolutely horrendous behavior.

Anonymous said...

The owner caters to his VIP customers and gives their kids plenty of playing time. It doesn't matter to them if there are other kids deserving play time on the bench. My son wanted to play so badly and they kept telling him not to worry, he'll get his chance. He waited all season for a moment that never came. His confidence and enthusiasm were crushed. He was never the same player after that. The coaches are total muppets and just do what they are told. What a disgrace!

Anonymous said...

The coaches tell parents that only training is important for development which the coaches know is total BS. Their embarrassment is obvious.

Anonymous said...

March 28 9:05

I am not trying to be mean on what I am going to say. I also understand that the favoritism runs across all clubs from the Red Bulls to TSF. But why take a kid to a club knowing he is not going to get much playing time. As a parent, you should know what level your son/daughter is playing at and you should also know the level of the team your kid is trying out for before you go there. I am not taking the side of the Club/team, but a lot of parents want their kids to play for TSF, Red Bulls, PDA etc... because of the clubs name and maybe the kid is not at that level. Le me ask you this question, if your kid was in the starting 11, playing lots of minutes or even if the kid was number 12 or 13 on the roster would we even be having this discussion. Think about that.

Anonymous said...

I disagree with your comments. Parents love to say that your kid is a bad player so what do you expect? First of all, a kid tries out for the team, makes it, and you trust the club that they will do everything to help your kid develop and agree to pay them over $3000 for this service. After all, you have a contract stating that playing time will be spread evenly for EDP games and tournaments. What could go wrong? When he tried out, the coach told me he loves how he plays and wants him on the team. He was doing well at his previous club but this seemed like a better opportunity. And yes, we would still be having this conversation whether he's a starter or not. Why do subs pay the same as the kids who play all the time? Think about that. Except , of course, the kids who can't afford the price tag so have financial scholarships. Maybe that's why the coach wanted my son on the team, so he could meet his budget. I know for a fact that there were several players on that team paying $0 and guess what? They were starters. A player who is never given a chance to play in games will never develop at the same rate as the player who gets lots of playing time. I thought PDA was fair with playing time but we left because they were 40 miles away. I should've stayed because TSF was a terrible experience. Some parents may want their kids to play there but I'm not one of them and I will never recommend them to anyone.

Anonymous said...

I know the reputation TSF carries, and it is not a good one. Also, PDA is the same as TFS, don't think they are any different. But at the end of the day, if they told you equal playing time (or spread evenly), they are lying. No coach can guarantee equal playing time.

At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself, how good is my kid? Does he deserve to be a starter? Many parents seem to think that, but in reality, that is not the case.

It sucks to drive to a game an hour away and have your kid only play 15/20 minutes. That happened to my kid when he was younger, but you know what. I did not complayin, I understood that he was the newest and youngest player on the team and I went out found him some extra training on the days he did not have practice and I also trained him myself when I could. Next season my son became a starter on that team and since then he has not seen the bench on any team he has played including an academy team.

Maybe that is something you may want to do for your kid.

Anonymous said...

Try 5 min or less. It wasn't only my son. It was the same 6 or 7. They all left that club and those kids will always remember what TSF did. All TSF's tournaments are more than 1 hr away with hotels and meals also. Do you think it's ok for a coach to ask a parent to go knowing your child won't play? He even expected him to fly to Dallas. So you think it's acceptable that he lied? Not only to me and there's no accountability? That's not what children should learn. Defend TSF all you want but they have no integrity.

Anonymous said...

I would like for people to try and answer my original 2 questions.

What makes a DA player stand out from a non-DA player? What are the DAs looking for in a player?

And would it make sense to leave a highly ranked non DA club to play with a DA club that isn't very successful year in/year out?

To me, DA means the rare track to national team and professional ranks, with college as Plan B. But I still think Plan A is only for a handful of kids, even in a market like the size of the tri-state area.

Thanks, appreciate all thoughts.

GD

Anonymous said...

I don't think the DA player neccessarely stands out more, there are a lot of extremely good players playing club. The difference is that they hold the DA league with high standards.

As per leaving a high non-DA club for a DA club. I'd say that, if your non-DA club is the Baltimore Celtic 99 (which has 5 players already committed to DI UMBC and few to other DI schools) or Match Fit 98 ( which half of their squad is already committed to DI schools) or a club/team like that, I'de say stay with them. These club/teams are getting more DI commitments than some of the academies. There is also no point moving to a DA academy if your kid is going to sit on the bench. A lot college coaches, specially on (smaller, or no big name soccer schools) will rather pick from a high ranked non-DA club then academy.

Anonymous said...

First of all, I am not defending TSF, everyone knows their reputation. The truth is that, if your kid or any of the other kids were starters on the team we would not be having this conversation.

The problem with TSF, PDA, Parsippany and etc... Is the fact that they select 24 players to play in one age group and only have the intention of using only about 14 of those players. Any club you got to, even the local club (those that are competing at high level), if you are 15 on the roster or below the playing time is going to be scarce, everyone knows that.

The fact is, that a lot of parents want to say that their kid is playing for TSF, PDA, Parsippany and etc... when in reality, little Johnny does not belong there.

Coaches lie!!! Remember that at your kids next tryout.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, TSF probably makes a profit because of the fees they charge, even their uniforms are really expensive but their reputation is pretty bad. I've heard so many complaints about them. Even coaches routinely leave that club.

Anonymous said...

Parsippany? Since when are they considered a top club? They're mostly a town club for residents of Parsippany.

Anonymous said...

Check the roster on the top Parsippany teams and tell me if most players are from the town. Also, some of Parsippany teams are playing on the top level tournaments and leagues and parents gravitate towards that.

Anonymous said...

Been through TSF and agree they are terrible. Although my child was one of the top players and received plenty of play time I just don't like how they do business. My child is in the younger age group (U12)and I don't think they focus as much or know how to develop the younger kids.Very expensive and I don't think you get what you pay for. They are a revolving door for players and coaches are not sticking around as well. They are very disorganized

Anonymous said...

GD back to share.

Spoke with a DA parent about my questions. His responses were somewhat enlightening, and as some mentioned, what I expected.
If you take the top 3 kids (making a generalization here) on a DA team that really stand out above the rest, most of the rest fall into that middle group. Same technical skills as non DA club kids, but the DA plays just a little bit quicker, the speed of play.

Definitely leave a DA team if you aren't playing. But don't leave your highly ranked non DA club for DA if you are already getting decent playing time. As mentioned previously, there are non DA clubs (I think Baltimore Celtic and MF '98s were mentioned) getting lots of kids to D1 college soccer.

One last line about TSF, I don't understand what US Soccer or TSF are thinking, by being a DA club for U12-U14, you expect those kids to stay around after U14? They will lose those top 3 kids to some other DA team and then you are back to a better than average team.

Re Parsippany, we all know the talent pyramid narrows significantly in 9th grade, and Parisppany is one of those clubs (town or not) that benefits and gets some decent players. (Holmdel might be another example.) Maybe not as much as some of the larger top non DA clubs in the state, but they are competitive. (Ignoring any vagaries from one age group to another)

BTW, I heard Philly Ukrainians also going DA route, probably younger age groups is my guess. You heard it here first, or maybe I am last. LOL





Anonymous said...

After having listened to a few college coaches, most of them will tell you that they rather take an academy player than a club player for the most part. Unless the player comes from one of the power clubs like Match Fit, Baltimore Celtic and etc...

I was at a college camp with my son and one of the coaches mentioned that if you are playing academy you have a step up on the competition in term of getting recruited. Which I agree for the most part.







Anonymous said...

To GD;
I speak as a new parent in the DA as my son is a U12. My hopes for him would be an opportunity in college, with a D1 or D2 scholarship, playing at a high level. I think most DA parents feel the same. There certainly are parents who think their kid should be shuttled off to Europe, but I think for the most part (with exceptions for sure) most parents are fairly realistic. I know things get more intense in the older DA age groups, as kids start getting scouted for college or beyond and rosters and play time become a major issue. You cannot get seen while sitting on the bench. My son is only 11 but for us, it has been a very good experience so far. Time will tell what the future holds. It's a very competitive soccer bubble out there.

Anonymous said...

For the new DA Parent.

If your son is playing DA at the moments the opportunity to play college will come as he is on the right path. As per a scholarship, I would start saving for college if you are not already. Scholarships available for DI are 9.9 divided among many unless your son is a national level player or just below he will not get a full ride. Very few players get scholarships to DI. As per DII, can you name me a DII school that everyone talks about as being highly academy institution, I can't? So don't leave out DIII schools as some of them play better soccer than DI/DII and are also they are better academic institutions.

Good Luck and enjoy the younger ages groups in DA. It is a whole new world when they reach 15 and become sophomores!!!



Anonymous said...

My son plays on one of the high level teams at TSF. He joined TSF about 2 years ago. He has had a very positive experience. Luis Mendoza has really helped his development and confidence as a player.

I've seen a lot of negative comments about TSF on this board. I don't discount any of them. It is clear that some have not had a good experience. I just want to add some balance and let others know that, at least in my case, going to TSF has been good for my son.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure you notice players on that team who get 5 min or less playing time in games. That's humiliating for a child who's at every practice session working hard. It leads to bullying and teasing from other team members. And please don't say those kids suck and have to get better. Mendoza told me he awards kids playing time to please parents. He listens to parents too much.

Anonymous said...

If it so bad at TSF, leave the club, just remember the grass isn't always greener on the other side. Cedar Stars, PDA have the same issues with coaches. Kids need to step up when the going gets tough because this is not going to be his only disappointment in life.

My kid was a starter for a team the whole pre-season but when the season actually started he was benched for the first 3 games and he could not understand why. So I told my son, besides the fact that your card wasn't ready until the second game, I am not sure why the coach choose to bench you at this point, but I believe that if continue to work as hard as you been and prove it once get your chance in a game, it will work out at the end. In the third game he was put in at the 20th minute and after that, he started the rest of the season.

If your kid has what it takes he will win at the end. Just keep incuruging him to work harder and do better. If he is good the coach will see that and start giving him more minutes.

Anonymous said...

Responding to the guy who's response is toughen up. Sure, that's certainly a life lessen.
But tell that to a 12 or 13 year old kid who goes to every practice, fall and spring season, hardly plays in any games except once in a blue moon and then he gets 2 minutes of garbage time at the end of some meaningless game. Then, parents buy tickets to Dallas for the tournament, and he gets 5 minutes of total playing time? Seriously? How about telling the parents that you are keeping a limited bench, and no need to fly? I'm sure the former TSF coach now at Cedar Stars continues to destroy the love of the game for many. This is about communicating properly and this club and that coach lack this skill and any decency whatsoever. USSDA has specific rules on playing time, starting time, etc. Don't understand why USSDA chose these guys when they clearly do not demonstrate it. Then again, it's all political.

Of course, everything is sunny when your kid starts. But its really about how you treat people. Most of the people who commented, they and their kids were treated horribly. My kid doesn't play there, but he has had friends go and have such terrible experiences. Anyway, I don't want to type about TSF anymore because it's a waste of f@#%#^ing time.

Parents aspiring for your kid to go D1 via scholarship? Well, 9.9 scholarships divided by how many players on that roster, that full ride ain't happening unless your kid is nat'l team level. Good luck to all.

Also, hope Sascho Cirovski and the other NSCAA coaches can really fix college soccer, going from a fall season into a 2 season sport. That would help development tremendously. But you also need to get these college coaches to train/play the right way.

That's all, good evening. GD

Anonymous said...

Thanks GD. A parent who understands what I'm talking about. I hate hearing smug parents say kids have to work harder and toughen up. Sometimes there's nothing you can do, the coach is emotionally and mentally abusive to a young boy. Management does not care. You leave the club but the damage is done and your child will never be the player he could have been. The coach destroyed the most important thing. Love of the game.

Anonymous said...

"Understand what I am talking about". We all understand and we know that TSF is crap, and they are not the only ones. At the end of the day, if your kid were starting or were the first kid off the bench we would not ben having this conversation.

Not every kid is ready to play high-level club or academy. Maybe, playing in a good local club suits your kid best.

Anonymous said...

You're a very ignorant person who needs to learn about youth development. The frauds that call themselves development academies take these kids after multiple tryouts. And your trying to blame the parents of those kids? If the kids didn't make the team, you have a point but don't blame the victim. Academy players are high level, that's why these players go to those teams. Don't think you know everyone's situation .

Anonymous said...

I know these academies are fraud, everyone knows that. It is not about development it is about winning with these academies. Also, I am not trying to blame the parents and I don't know your situation. I am sorry that this coach promised you and your kid the world and did not deliver. Remember, college coaches are the same way, they promise kids and parents everything and that is how they get the a kid to commit to their program.

What I do know and what you need to understand is that playing time is earned and not by showing up to practice or paying thousand of dollars to these so-called academies but by playing better than the other players on the team.

I have coached for many years and I never promised or guaranteed any parent playing time for their kid nor I never left a kid on the bench that deserved to be on the field. Bottom line, show me that you are better than the 11 players on the field and will be playing.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone what plans the PF pre-academy has for next year? Would CFC ECNL be a better choice than the PF pre-academy?

Anonymous said...

OK Coach you're the all knowing coach
just be a positive influence in these kids lives. You're a role model for them and are teaching life lessons. A good coach wouldn't take a huge roster for financial benefit and then not play those kids. You pick them, you play them. Ever hear of the 25% start rule for academy teams? You don't have an academy team if you're not doing that.

Anonymous said...

These coaches and Academies are scum bags because like you said it is all about the money. Bringing your kid to a tournament and only playing him 5 minutes.

That 25% start rule for the academy is bull shit because most Academies don't follow the rule, also if you understand that rule all it really means is that the coach starts a player and 10 minutes later takes him out. Now that player cannot get back into the game anymore. So I just played the worst player on the team and at the same time satisfied the rule and only gave that player 10 minutes playing time. So at the end of the season, that is not a lot of playing for that player.

Anonymous said...

Change of topic:

I have been watching the US U17 team play and they have had great success, defeating Mexico last night, as well as winning the Nike Friendlies. I really think the disconnect in the US system is college.
If they could change the college season to fall and spring, like the DA and the other youth leagues, that would really help their development, and thus, improve the quality of our players and our pro leagues. Would love to hear other thoughts or comments. GD

Anonymous said...

Wow, as a parent with a soccer-loving kid (2006) moving into the area (Essex County), reading this blog is pretty depressing. We love his current DA club in CT. Aren't there any programs that are mostly well-liked and respected? We've been looking at CSA Bergen, TSF, RBs, and Montclair United/Match Fit. Accepted at CSA and MU/MF and waiting to hear from TSF. I got to see my son in 2nd stage tryouts for the free RB weekly training for 2006s today and, while he held his own, he was not one of the few top standouts, IMO. My goal for him at this stage is for him to develop his skills as best he can and maintain a love for the game. Is he better off being one of the top players on a good club team, getting a lot of playing time, or middle of the pack at one of the DAs?

Anonymous said...

I think it depends on what you feel is best for your son. My son is an 05 who has played in the U12 DA this year. His speed of play and technical as well as tactical ability has greatly improved. Is it always awesome?...no. It's competitive and can be a grind (4x/wk practice). Your child (and parents) have to be all in. It's a commitment. Keep in mind, as kids get older, the harder it becomes to break into academy teams. CSA Bergen a solid choice. RB obviously hard to turn down, but hard to get selected, best of the best there. Good luck... from a (new)DA mom

Anonymous said...

Just some advice, stay away from "B" teams at Academies like PDA. They are not treated like the "A" teams, not worth the cost and the level is similar to a town travel team.

Anonymous said...

Agree. There is no effort to develop the B teams at PDA. You pay the same price and only train twice a week, and do not participate in tournaments. The excitement of participating in at least some tournaments is a good confidence booster. Better off finding a club team with a good trainer.

Anonymous said...

How about their 'new' ECNL boys league teams which I guess would be considered the 'B' team behind the DA teams?

Does it remain status quo or will it improve?

Agree that I would rather at a club that prioritizes the team with good training, etc.

Anonymous said...

I know for one club (they claim) the ECNL Boys team will practice 4 days per week and will be trained by the Academy coach. This sounds like a positive development.

Anonymous said...

Important Issue here. College coach keeps sending my sons DA coach an email to get some feedback on sons playing ability. Sadly, we have not been told anything from our coach that he has been contacted. Makes me worried that other coaches may be contacting our club and we aren't hearing about it. Could somebody tell me how their DA players get informed by their club and coach.

Anonymous said...

What grade is h in?

Anonymous said...

Regarding the ECNL teams. You need to get a training session with the particular team. Some age brackets are top level while others are like sn average EDP team. Watch a practice session , go to one of their games, and look at the standings online

Anonymous said...

May 6, 2017 at 10:02 PM.

What academy? Are you and your son close to the DA coach? Is your son in good grace with the coach?

Remember, this academy soccer, which includes lots of politics.

I have a friend whose son's DA coach lets him know all the time about any Coaches that contact the club regarding his son.

Anonymous said...

Hi all - I have read all the posts on this thread and have learned a lot about youth soccer in this region an in general from all of you. So I have a very specific question that I would love some serious opinions on. Given the choice between a second team spot at Continental FC and a pre-ecnl spot a smaller club which would do you think would be the best place to help 12 year old continue to develop skills? Thanks!

Anonymous said...

I would take the pre-ecnl team. Even though the team that is playing ecnl is a smaller club, they were good enough to be selected for that ecnl. Also on the club that is playing ecnl your son will be on their top team for that age group, which is probably better than Continental's second team.

Anonymous said...

Any thoughts on Match Fit (nj) and fc bucks (pa) as clubs overall, training, etc? I know they are not academy but any insight would be appreciated. Thanks all!

Anonymous said...

Match Fit lost academy status due to poor coaching structure and poor ratings as a club. These scorecards are published by USDA so those are facts that can't be disputed. I'm sure can be found with a quick google search. Since the only change was their DOC leaving and now back as a girls coach, I think you will find the same poor conditions. The family ownership has stayed the same. Chelsea ran away from MF so maybe FC Bucks is the better choice.

Anonymous said...

3:59 thanks for the response. Where can I find that info? I thought they were a well respected club in nj. New to the area. Are there soccer bios on the coaches? Anything on fc bucks? We were leaning towards Match fit. Thank you for any help with this!

Anonymous said...

Yes, run from Match Fit. 4 teams train on one field at the same time. Club is a mess. Don't believe their social media BS.

Anonymous said...

All parents who I know that had or have kids play at match have no complaints. The training is very good and the club has good reputation especially on the girl's side. They are always putting girls on the national team. When my son was there I had no complaints, the coaching was very good and every coach (including owner and DOC) knew every kid by their first name. The only reason my son left, was because he wanted to continue to play academy.

Yes, they did leave the academy on the Boys side, but was just invited back for the Girls academy this year and chose not to accept it.

So if the club is so bad, why would USSDA invited them back to join the girls academy. Look at how many of their teams are winning the state cup, how well the girls are doing in ECNL and how well the boys are doing on club side. Also on the boy's side, they have one of the best college coordinators in NJ.

Anonymous said...

So now MF staff members are replying to the message board.

Anonymous said...

May 20 3:59 is a BS artist.

MF remains a top club in NJ, despite the Princetons (cant field teams at every level) and CedarStars (buy, buy, buy your way in) of the world.

Anonymous said...

MF lost their DA status, fact. MF lost their partnership with Chelsea, fact. Winning teams are the remains of the academy players.

Why are we talking about non-academy teams on this page? MF has lots of problems. No fields of their own. Over crowded practice. Nickel and dime you on everything. Overcharged for travel for tournaments. If you really have a daughter on the girls side you know that is the truth.

Anonymous said...

FC Gottschee,
Well done guys. (Sarcasm!!). Word on the street got out that you guys were playing over-age kids, then the league investigated, and now you have lost your remaining games via forfeit. Your teams are breaking up. Coached kicked out of EDP for a few years. The coach, what an A$$hole! In order for this to work, you needed complete collusion among coaches, parents, and even the kids. Parents, shame on you for cheating, you are terrible examples to your children. What lessons have you taught them? Your kids look up to you, what are you teaching them? So you won a few games using older kids, what were you going to gain? Ugh. Danny Almonte all over again.

Anonymous said...

Are their academy teams effected by any of this?

Anonymous said...

So FC Gottschee got caught again?

Anonymous said...

Not sure what you mean by their academy being affected. FC Gottschee is not an academy team, though they and everyone else just uses the word academy. Academy to me means that you have a comprehensive program spanning the U7 to U18-19 age groups with elite training and competition at the hiring age groups. So using my definition of academy, they are not, not even close.

I guess they have been known for doing this, given the previous response.

I know for the coach who gto suspended, it was obviously all about money. But what else is there to gain by cheating? I just don't get it. Like a Ponzi scheme, in the end, it all comes out. And no one wins!!!!!

Anonymous said...

BW Gottschee is a USSDA program in NY Metro Division with DA teams from U12-U17/18 so yes they are a "real" academy that also houses clubs teams. Agreed, they don't seem to qualify for the true mean of the word. I think the poster was asking if the cheating affected their actual DA teams, if they were involved somehow, or if was just at the club level which I would assume. Either way, what a disgrace for everyone involved.

Anonymous said...

^^^Also adding, are FC Gottschee and BW Gottschee one and the same program?

Anonymous said...

I don't believe they are the same. Uniforms were different colors, badge was different.

Good luck to everyone playing in a Memorial Day tournament not close to you.

Anonymous said...

FC Gottschee is the NJ affiliate of BW Gottschee.

None said...

Anyone know what's the plan behind Red Bull's Pre-Academy teams this year (2007 and 2008)? They started 3 teams in each age bracket (2 NY and 1 NJ for each age). They had over 500 kids tryout for these teams. Where will they be playing this year? I know there are a lot of kids moving from their current clubs who made the switch to RB's in the fall.

Anonymous said...

I believe the RDS Regional teams for Red Bulls will be playing in EDP as the 2005 team did this year. Top flight.

None said...

Thanks, I heard the samething. I am just wondering how many teams they will have playing in EDP since they are suppose to have 3 teams for each age group. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Anonymous said...

Good point above...I believe the youngest age group (2008) will not be offered in EDP either, so maybe they will play in MAPS?

Anonymous said...

Can anyone confirm , CSA BUYING PDA ?

Anonymous said...

Where did you hear that? ^^^ Do tell.

Anthony Reynoso said...

That I have not heard

Anonymous said...

For those who have asked about World Class as a club, Im happy to share my experience, as well as others I know quite well. It is a very large club with a great outdoor complex, multiple fields. I believe they are also building an indoor training facility nearby. The problem with WC is that most of the good coaches eventually leave, many have already. Current coaching staff is VERY mixed as far as quality. It is clearly a $$ driven business. Rosters are always packed with players. Politics plays a strong role in player selection, tryouts, as well as play time. Ive heard from a few parents just recently that even though they brought their kids for tryouts, some never even heard back. Forgive me but if a kid try's out, the club should have the basic courtesy of giving the family at least an answer, be it negative or positive. Other clubs foster a much more family friendly environment and communicate much better with players and family. If a very impersonal, highly unpredictable experience is what you are looking for, with churning and turnover of kids, then WC is the place for you.

Anonymous said...

CSA buying PDA. LMAO!!!
I guess someone is starting rummers.

phann son said...

Talking about development at any age is far from delusional and/or crazy.


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