So, now it looks like the consolidation has begun at the u15/16 academies in NJ. NJSA adding to its already large roster by also taking in players from CSA and MF and in some cases players from PDA as well. Good luck trying to make that work!
Red Bulls V CSA : Did anyone catch the Pre-Academy Final this past weekend ? Heard CSA up 2-0 with a missed PK? Overtime no score PK 5-4 to Red Bulls . Love some feedback heard CSA was the better team on the day really controlled the mid field BUT a tad unlucky.
Everything you heard was correct. Cedar Stars were the better team,they outplayed the Red Bulls. Interesting to see what these two teams will look like next season.
How many yellow/red cards does a player need to get before an academy looks at their programs responsibility to protect their opponent? Or look to discipline the player? Someone is going to get seriously hurt in a game or even training. The academy needs to show to all the players that they don't put up with this type of behavior and punish the player. Real punishment,not how they have handled it in the past. I know physical play is part of the game but when a player is continually excessive, it must be addressed.
Heard same thing of NJCSA U15/16. Almost 30 kids on the roster apparently. Good luck getting playing time over there next year. Cha-Ching!
It's a sad fact that many coaches encourage dirty play. They will do anything to win. It's no coincidence when you see dirty teams from the same club. It's the club's policy. Pretty sad that they teach kids to play like that.
PDA royalty can do what he wants including play dirty. What happens when he takes away someone's soccer future?
Poor results come from poor development, poor development comes from poor coaching, poor coaching comes from a poorly run organization. People say it's not about winning its about developing but if you are developing your players to win in a high level then you are most likely going to win. If your team does not win then they do not belong in such a competitive league.
Winning at the youth level does not equal development. A coach who wants immediate winning results picks the kids who reach physical maturity early and are faster and stronger right now. Most kids catch up in the future and a good coach understands that Those late bloomers may even be better players as adults. So until coaches and clubs prioritize development over winning at he youth level, the us National men's team will never be great.
You are correct on the coaches wrong thinking on picking more physical players but I have seen many times(when the coach is actually a smart developer), teams that have no physical attributes demolish physical teams even in the academy league because they understand the more efficient way to play soccer, in the long run, which is keeping the ball on the ground and mainly move it through the midfield until there is an opening to slip it through. There are times to dribble and there are times to pass but in my opinion there are never times to kick it up. Yes, you may say "would u rather lose the ball up the field or in your own half?" but in reality the way to learn the right soccer is to never kick it up. I would rather have an attempted pass or dribble then kick it up. And again, there are players such as pirlo who is known as a passing master who plays long ball but they are all for a PURPOSE. Many academy teams who play long don't play it long for a purpose. And even if you watch Pirlo's games he is constantly moving the ball throughout the back and the midfield. It is rare he plays a long pass and he only plays one when he is certain it will be beneficial.
It's a good coach who is a smart developer and doesn't write any player off. We need more like that. So parents, do research on your child's coach before you put him on that team. Find out if he values development over winning.
What ever happended to "State of Art" facilities at NJCSA. Has any explanation been given?
They are waiting for the 30 on each roster to pay the fees to free up some cash.
NJCSA will have 30 players in each roster and the team still will suck. They will continue to play the Owner's and the Coach's sons even though their are better players in the bench. They will also continue to play all the kids whose parents are friendly with the Coach or are favorite of DOT. Not a good way to run a club. But they are not the only club that does that. This is soccer in America for you.
you're correct! It sucks. How many talented players are never given the chance due to favoritism?
You are much better off playing high school soccer than "Academy" at NJCSA. The place is a joke, no college coaches at all care if u are at NJCSA, all coaches know it is a shit show there.
http://www.hamiltongirlssoccer.com/Default.aspx?tabid=827440can somebody tell me what this means, are they an academy now?rush way coaching methodology? , what qualifications are there coaches?
im an NJCSA parent of many years. Ive read these NJCSA negative comments above. They are absolutely correct. NJCSA is poorly managed. At every level possible it accepts any player with a check...no matter that the play cant play. This dumbs down the training experince for the truly technical and talented players. The numbers of players at traiings are so large that evan a talented trainer is ineffective. This then transaltes onto gameday field where the athletes defend with their lives and do park the bus. The technical players get no respect and the coaches have no faith in those players to posess the ball and play the proper game. If youd like evidence of NJCSA ability to develop players, look no further than this upcoming seasons pre acad and acad rosters. only a minuscule amount of home grown players have made the teams when the Acadmey years roll around. CSA sent a bunch of technical players to the tryout and showed that two tocuh soccer with high soccer IQ players is the way to play and is the indication of proper training. NJCSA certainly has its share of solid technical players... but they have no future at NJCSA and should look elsewhere for development and fair opportunity... and ENJOYMENT of the game. It is not there at any age group for NJCSA. As far as parents just wanting to say their kids play for academy... i think thats insulting. like all parents, we want whats best for our kids and put them in that situation... the parents are told/fooled into the idea that an acdemy is the best place for their kids. and most NJCSA parents realize that their players are not good enough to be on PDA,CSA,RedBUlls, Union, but believe that Academy gets a pathway to College. Its not an ego thing. Any ego is squaashed at NJCSA after the first year of 0 wins and 20 losses. Its a parent buying into a program as pitched by very persuasive arguments that prey on parental ignorance. the PDA,CSA,RB,UNION program is better than NJCSA without question. To argue otherwise, seems silly. but rather than argue that... i think its important to objectively evaluate all of these program. And honest parent interclub discussions create a great information base for parents new to the game.
'As far as parents just wanting to say their kids play for academy... i think thats insulting. like all parents, we want whats best for our kids and put them in that situation..'Why is this insulting? If the parents believe that this place is the best for their kids but continue to put up with the list of injustices provided your kids, how can this be nothing but the truth? So parents put up with poor training, large rosters, no development because they believe this is the best place to be? To be for what? Other than a parent being able to say that my kid is playing for an Academy, I cannot understand why else you would stay.The truth shouldn't be considered insulting.
PDA is no better than njcsa. 1/2 of the u15 academy left.. Wonder why??? It is such a shame where is the player development??? Not there either. All about money...and favoritism..
I disagree, they are much better as shown by their style of play against njcsa no denying it
The players get better training there no doubt, but there is plenty of favoritism there.
6:05pm, Style of play? Is that style fouling? PDA royalty able to do what they want and you claim no favoritism? Very confused on what you see on the pitch. I see a team that is taught to play overly aggressive and dirty.
I heard that NYCFC has a new academy. Does anyone know if they will have teams in Academy league starting in the fall?
Good post by "July 9, 2015 at 11:25 AM." As an NJCSA parent I do not brag about who my son plays for. In fact, I am a bit embarrassed due to the reputation of the club. So the ego argument is total nonsense.My son went from a typical town club team to NJCSA. I think he is better off at NJCSA than the town team. The reason I stay at NJCSA is I guess potential. I see no reason why, if they get their act together, they should not be a top notch organization. Of course they are not, and I see from the inside a lot of their problems and how they are not so easy to fix. The hope that CSA management will come in and clean house is prevalent amongst the parents here. I see it happening, but far to slow for my liking.The main problem I see at NJCSA is player talent level. Lots of mediocre kids. The good kids have to play with the mediocre ones far too long. The talented ones would be better off playing with a higher level of talent across the board. But I don't see a real gaping hole in the quality of coaching. With the kids NJCSA has, it just won't beat RBA/PDA/etc. on a regular basis even if Jose Mourinho is coach. But lets face it, PDA has PDA South, PDA Shore, etc., so they are just as guilty of the money grab as NJCSA. They have the main PDA squad that excels so that gets them off the hook.
I agree with your response. But as I cannot do the CSA/PDA/RBA trek 3 times a week, I am left with the reality of "where else do I go that is better?" I think they make their living off that, where else are Monmouth/Ocean kids going to go? The only local kids I know who can go up to PDA/CSA are very well off and have moms/dads who can drop everything for junior's soccer practice.I am actually sick of seeing NJCSA shoot itself in the foot on a consistent basis. Its like if there are 99 right decisions they will pick number 100 which is the wrong one. I have seen many talented kids leave and the poor ones stay. I am a supporter, but even I am one foot out the door.What would be useful is not NJCSA bashing, but letting everyone know what honest alternatives there are in the area to NJCSA. I'm all ears!
I would honestly go look at a competitively ranked town team if NJCSA is your only recourse.Go see the training. See what the quality of the players and training is. Ask the coach/manager what the team is doing to get the players noticed for college. Do they attend Showcases. Do they travel to out of state tournaments or only do the same old local ones year after year. Do they have a college mentor working with the boys to ensure they are taking the proper steps to getting noticed by colleges. I've seen more college coaches at top ranked town teams than I have at NJCSA games because everyone is trying to find the diamond in the rough who is not at an academy.I'm sure there is more but you get the drift.
Thanks for the input!
Find a solid club team and play at a good high school program. Nothing will change. Sorry, the truth.
No one has much of a choice when it comes to high school soccer. My son doesn't like his high school team and doesn't want to play on it. The only other option is an expensive private school.
Life's not fair is it?
I have to praise the kids who constantly are put aside due to favoritism and politics and yet still pursue soccer. Those are the players that REALLY love soccer. The players that actually hate it when their daddy's and mommy's get involved to keep them on a team or to start them, they want to earn it themselves and it's a shame that in America that's not possible unless you are physically dominate but those physical guys go no where without technicality and a great soccer brain. Think about the players we would produce without favoritism or worry of physicality. As a parent watching good players out there that don't get chances to show that they are good just kills me. They play bad because they get 5 minutes of playing time but I am certain if they started they would be as confident as can be and play so well. Imagine a soccer world without politics and favoritism.
I think it is terrible to give kids 5 minutes of playing time. Why put the kid in at all? What kind of message is the coach sending? I think the coaches are just following the DOT's orders so I don't think you can trust anyone at NJCSA. You have to suck up to the DOT and feed his ego to get anywhere there.
Are all the academy teams free now?
pre academy isn't
Anyone have any info on the new u16 team that NEPAL is adding this year? I heard some of the academies are making teams in this age group? PDA and NJCSA are two of the clubs??
I see a lot of njcsa bashing but what about the other academies. PDA for one is not as great as everyone thinks. Practices are so weak and never changing. Same thing week after week. Why did so many boys leave especially from their u15 age group if they were so strong and committed to their players. RB kids get cut by at least 1/2 team every year. It is the same BS everywhere. Parents need to find a good place where their kids are happy and can play. That is what's important.
The fact that college team rosters have so many foreign players on them says that college coaches do not have too much faith in our development system.
NEPAL teams only go by odd age groups: u13, u15, u17. There's no u16 NEPAL team that I know of; for U16, it would either be an Academy team or a club/EDP team.
NJCSA/Cedar Stars hired a new Director of Soccer recently to manage both organizations. What is a Directory of Soccer exactly? Is this the same as Director of Coaching? I'm just wondering what will happen to the current DOC for NJCSA.
Help me soccer people. Look, I don't know anything about the ins and outs of soccer clubs. I read blogs and sometimes feel like I drank the magic koolaid and am about to throw up now that I know what's in it. We had our 7 year old try out for pda and she made it. Considering the costs of other extracurricular activities the $2000 total seemed expensive but doable. Now I keep getting things with extra costs. But they don't tell you outright the costs. Can anyone who went thru the club for u10 under give me their costs. My main concern are the fundraisers.
Welcome to pay to play! My child played at the local town club until u12. I didn't see any point to a big, expensive, professional club until my son was really enthusiastic about the sport.
CSA is doing fine but NJCSA needs all the help they can get. CSA should just dissolve NJCSA and start over.
July 20, 10:10CSA is not doing fine, where did you get that from? Just go ask the parents over there, how happy they really are. They are both the same organization, and they just hired a director of soccer operations to oversea both teams, that will really fix things (LOL). If don't hear anything from there, that does not mean their aren't issues.
NJCSA and CSA are separate organizations with the same owner, Different management and coaching staffs. Maybe they will be one in the future. I don't know what the Director of soccer is supposed to do.
The Director of Soccer is the main soccer guy for both organizations, sort of like a director of coaching but higher.
NJCSA trying to move their much hyped about facility into Tinton Falls. Rumor has it they offered the town $1 mil so they could build turf fields. NJCSA did not even have the courtesy to discuss with the town soccer club. Class act from a class organization.
OMG people, this is a child's sport! We found NJCSA because frankly we were tired of the "daddy coaching" and playing favorites on a club team. Since being with NJCSA, we have experienced all kinds of coaches. We were thrilled by some of the coaches as our son absolutely connected with them and their styles and were less thrilled with others. Like teachers in school, sometimes your child clicks and sometimes not, but one of the great things about being with a large organization that takes coaching seriously, there are always other coaches that your child can connect with and superiors that you can voice concerns to. These teams are not stuck with one coach, who stays with the team, year after year, who may be holding a grudge OR who may not allow your child to grow into their full potential because they see the uncoordinated 9 year old, not the powerful and confident 13 year old. College is about academics people. Soccer is secondary. Thinking otherwise is putting the cart before the horse. Shame on you for focusing on the sport over the education. Soccer should enhance your child, not be the whole picture. The Academy programs provide our children the opportunity to play at higher levels not only on the pitch but in their sense of respect and appreciation for a game that the world sees as THE game. What other sport has Laws, not rules? Tab Ramos is one of the best soccer players of all times and frankly the fact that we see him on TV is inspiring to my son. It moves him to double his efforts on the pitch, as he has a real goal (no pun intended) to strive for. Regarding the facility, we have NEVER been promised a "state of the art facility" by anyone associated with NJCSA or NJSA before that. The coaches have always told us that they don't know the details, period. No one started a try out with "hey, we are glad you are here, we want you to look at the plans for our state of the art facility and hope you will contribute by having your child play for us." They introduced the philosophy of the program as being player development and growth. "Shiny new facility" was not part of the speech. We came to NJSA before the facility was discussed, we have been here during the Holmdel/Colts Neck attempt and we will stay through the Tinton Falls opportunity. If you came for the "state of the art facility" we don't have one. If that's why you're here, you are welcome to stick it out and see where the next chapter goes, but do me a favor, focus on the game, not where it's being played. It's going to be a long year (or more) for you training at Tab's facility and all the other places we go to. If you choose to stay, then invest in the program. If you choose to go, go. You are welcome to go somewhere there is fresh paint and a nice sign out front, I would rather have the better program than the better building. For us, we are ok practicing on borrowed turf and rented fields where we are seeing amazing player development and talented players we are proud to consider our son's peers. We brought our son here to grow a young man in a sport and a program that teaches respect, personal growth and development and pride in teamwork. We chose not to go to a program whose philosophy was "win at all costs." For all the parents who are looking to promote growth and development, NJCSA is for you. If you are of the "win at all costs" variety, we wish you well at another program. We hope you find what you are looking for and that when that does not work out, you consider NJCSA in the future. We will still be here.
I'm glad you're happy there but I don't see how you can possibly say they are not trying to win at all costs. Why are they playing some kids 5 min. when others play the entire game?
Without having more (or asking for more) information, our experience is as follows: at the younger ages, the boys were expected to play EVERY position on the field and not required to specialize. They were provided with training that taught them how to distribute the ball on a field, literally where to stand and how to move the ball around. Their play time was based on how hard they were trying, NOT their ability levels. As they got older and started to show proficiencies to play in different positions, they were put on the field, and played based on a coach's instructions and they were left on the field, if they followed those instructions. Players were consistently removed from the field (and continue to be) when they do not follow the coach's instructions. Best case scenario is when a coach takes the substitution, talks to the player about what they need to be doing differently/better and then puts them back in. Failure to follow directions results in removal from the field. They are players and they are kids and they need direction. If you look at the ODP requirements, one of the big things they look at is "coachability." If a player is not coachable, they will not learn and they will not grow. Remember also that many of your players do not peak until their late teens or early twenties. NJCSA seeks to grow the player, but they have to follow directions to learn. Again - think like school - this is an education, not a show case. Now, there are leagues (like the summer program Super Y) where the goal absolutely is to win - at all costs - and they were VERY clear when we signed on for the summer program that if your son is not performing, he will not be playing. This is a highly competitive league that goes to finals in Florida in December - not the norm during the school year at all. We knew when we agreed to put him on the team, that he was expected to perform. If we wanted him to play at a more relaxed level and have "game time" for the summer, we would have put him into a less competitive league - which NJCSA offers, or go to another summer select program. There are several in the Monmouth/Ocean area to choose from. No one in the Super Y program ever guaranteed a specific amount of game time for any player on the field. They were brutally honest, at the beginning of the summer, that this was how the team would be run. We chose to have him play anyway, knowing that we might be driving hours at a time to get to the games, only to have him sit the bench. He knew the possibility and chose to do it anyway. I would also add, that it has been our experience that during the school year, the coaches provide written feedback to the players twice a year. This feedback helps us focus him on what he needs to work on and what he is doing well. If we have had a concern, the coach was available by email. Sometimes we liked the response and sometimes it was brutally honest about what needed to be improved upon. By following the instructions given, we saw improvement. Failure to follow directions meant he was not improving. Every time. As I said earlier, there are plenty of opportunities for kids to play soccer. Now more than ever. Your child needs to find a program that works for them and for you. Our experience with the high standards of instruction has been positive. If you are not comfortable with the philosophy of the program, then you should seek something that works better for you and your son.
Thanks for your thoughts Director of soccer operations. Sounds like wishful thinking to me. I never experienced anything like that at NJCSA. Good Luck!
"Anonymous" is an NJCSA coach looking to keep teh gravy train running there be fleecing gullible parents. No one who actually knows soccer stays there mor than a season, two at most. They thrive on fleecing the unknowing. RUN FROM NJCSA...........DONT WALK.
NJCSA and CSA have merged their U15 Pre-Academy teams and will be playing under NJCSA as one; good luck with that. CSA was a middle of the tier team at U14 and NJCSA fared even worse, adding these two together may not make the team better, it should only add on the number of players on the roster ($$$$$). Lots of kids fighting for playing time. A few of the U14s from CSA and NJCSA will move up to play U16, but unless these guys are World class players the NJCSA U16 team may not do very well either. Just look at their record at U15 Pre-Academy this past season. Also, rumor has it, that a couple of CSA's top U14 players will not be coming back and a few others will be playing EDP with the CSA team out of Newark (I wonder why). Good lucky to all the players and parents embarking in this exiting adventure.
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All I want too know is, how do you lose your top players? It is not like their is a revolving door for top players around the Academies or even regular club teams. Shouldn't the goal be to keep your top players and get rid of dead weight.
'They introduced the philosophy of the program as being player development and growth' - and how exactly is this measured? By their acceptance into top soccer colleges or their yearly climb up the ranks of their leagues? 'I would rather have the better program than the better building. For us, we are ok practicing on borrowed turf and rented fields where we are seeing amazing player development and talented players we are proud to consider our son's peers.' - again how is this amazing development measured? 'If you are of the "win at all costs" variety, we wish you well at another program' - have you never seen them play the RB or any top academy? Parking the bus to keep games close is not development and it is a win (or put on a good showing) at all cost mentality.' the coaches provide written feedback to the players twice a year. This feedback helps us focus him on what he needs to work on and what he is doing well. If we have had a concern, the coach was available by email.' - Apparently you have never had the DOT as a coach. He told a parent once that if they wanted a review they would have to make an appointment to ask him - that he was too busy to just do them all. And this was for a team he coached! And take that feedback with a grain of salt. I have seen kids with 9's and 10's with great performance reviews for several years get cut and be told that they were being 'carried for several years and are not academy material'. How in the world do you give kids 9's and 10's and then have the audacity to tell parents that they were not academy material and they were being carried for several years? I will tell you why - to blow smoke up their arses and kept the money coming in until you find better players. Because they know if they ranked these kids at 5's, 6's or 7's they would have saved the money and went back to town teams.Be wary of this organziation - it's all roses when your young but once they know you are in for a few years it gets really rough at the older age groups in terms of player development.
I don't think there are any academies in the US that are 100% about player development. Everyone is too worried about winning. NYCFC has the right idea with their youth development league. There are NO Scores posted.
Unfortunately, most only learn after its too late and you wasted your time and money and your son's playing career. Shame on those that take advantage of the people trying to do the right thing in a lopsided system favoring those that kiss ass and those that collect the $.
I do agree that all academies are not perfect (including Red Bulls and PDA) but when you keep making the same mistakes over and over that is not good. The post above mentioned that a couple of CSA's top players will not be returning this fall. So how does an organization let that happen. Also when you have a roster of over 22 kids; how do you develop players. So far I have not heard anything in this blog that makes me think that the NJCSA/CSA merger has made either organization any better.
I would like to see smaller rosters and more teams but I think money is the reason this can't happen. Clubs don't want to pay for more coaching and whatever other costs are involved. USSDA should be giving more financial resources to develop players. Why should players have to go to other countries to get quality training? When I hear about US kids training abroad and US national teams chasing after them, I wonder What's wrong with this picture?
Unfortunately, large rosters add to the money pot wherever you are.Take look at some of the top Club Teams and they are doing the same thing. If there is a demand to be on the team they will take the money in an instant and carry 20 - 25 players.
The adults in charge have their own agendas. They're not looking out for the child's best interests. Good players are overlooked all the time in this system.
July 27, 2015 3:50 PM.I do agree that good players are being overlooked all the time in this system. Besides that, every academy/club you go to, the coach has his favorites, and they get pushed up the chain and other players who may be better get pushed to the side. Over sees you get scouted at games; here you attend a US Market Training Center for 2 hours and when you get there half of the kids are from the Red Bulls, Philly and the scouts already have some players from those clubs in mind and all the other kids are basically just there to fill spots.
Really frustrating but that's the way it is. The worst thing about it all is that some kids get really hurt and discouraged in the process.
Did you ever play soccer in high school or college? Even if you only played for 5 minutes, that automatically qualifies you to be a coach at NJCSA. You do not need to have a high level soccer coaching license, you do not need any teaching skills, you do not need to care or put any effort into developing soccer players. Knowledge of teaching technical and tactical skills or improving player psychology are not material. By the way, it does help if you know the coaching director... In that case you automatically qualify to coach at NJCSA.
That is true for NJCSA. They had father coaching there who never even played soccer. He played football.He did, however, have three sons playing there and hsi wife worked in office. I guess that is where he got his knowledge. He knows nothing whatsoever about the game, other than playing his daughter -- yes daughter -- on boys team to which club turned a blind eye. No doubt the trade off was he did not get paid. He was a complete fool yet they had him coaching more than one team. If you complained about his antics and utter lack of knowledge..... well you know the rest: loss of playing time for child suddenly, blacklisted, "club team" the usual.
Not my experience at NJCSA by a long shot. All good coaches so far...
Most of the posts here are about how bad NJCSA is, but that's not my experience with them either. My son had one bad coach, but they eventually got rid of him. Many other clubs have bad coaches as well.I'm looking forward to a good season; I'm familiar with most of the kids on the new roster and they are very good players; and whoever said that there are 30+ kids on the roster doesn't have his/her facts straight. I'm not friends with the coach, nor the DOC, and my son has been getting adequate playing time. There will always be favorites, but I think if your son plays hard and smart and trains well with the team and on his own and is coachable, he will get noticed and will be played on games.
Thanks for the update from management. So obvious...
All academies have favoritism, bad coaches and issues, but at least the other academies are winning. At the end of the day if you don't win, it shows. Players, parents and critics all want results and the results at CSA\NJCSA are not good.
what I don't get is how an organization like CSA, allow a couple of their best U14 players to leave (as stated on July 23, 2015 at 3:58 PM). CSA had some talent on that team, their were a few excellent players on that roster. As an organization, you either are not doing enough to keep these players or your not running things the right way. This is definitely going to show in the U15 and U16 NJCSA games this fall.
You can only over promise under deliver for so long until better options are taken.
I just googled that coach you are talking about and he ended up at PDA.
The European youth development system is so much better. Why doesn't the us just copy that model and use it for themselves?
The coach that is at PDA now was probably the best coach NJCSA had. The real story is a bunch of parents didn't like it when the coach made teenage players responsible for their actions. Typical kids with privilege being protected by their helicopter parents. I'm not part of NJCSA but know the real story, not the crap that is posted on this blog. You NJCSA parents get what you deserve. A poorly run program with bad teams.
Is this DG the ex- PDA Shore breaker coach because he is no longer the coach. PDA let him go.
Is this DG the ex- PDA Shore breaker coach because he is no longer the coach. PDA let him go.
My son just went for a try out at CSA and got accepted. Could you guys explain to me what I'm looking forward to by let in him play there please. And if it is a good place to take him to.
I think CSA is a very good up and coming academy. They're only a few years old and they are expanding a lot.
Or, maybe it has peaked and can no longer retain and/or attract good players?
@12.04Don't listen to all the negativity on this blog. Try it for a year and judge for yourself. CSA is a good club with excellent coaches and facilities, indoor and outdoor.
It's not negativity for honest feedback to be shared on this blog. We are all grown-ups and can decide for ourselves what's best after filtering all the information available. The academies all prefer to keep their tactics private and to hold all the cards. They make side deals for pre-determined favorite players, blackball other players who don't follow the script and push only their own agendas.I would ask CSA if there are any parent coaches on their u13/14 Pre-Academy team? If so, right there you may have a big problem.I think a question like this is fair to ask publicly?
If CSA is so good as you say, then why are some of their top players not coming back this year. I do have to say they have very good facilities, but as per coaches I am sure about that. What about the fact that the owners son's get lots of playing time when they are not even playing that well. What about the fact that they are very disorganized when it comes over night trips, it is every family for themselfs. what else do you want to hear. The fact that the coaches are the owners puppet. I have been to a few of their and know some of their parents and it is not all nice in there as people think. Good Luck!!!
Favoritism is the core issue. And the favorites are often not the best. Better players not fairly supported, leave...
Favoritism is the disease at most of the local NJ programs. Too bad, but true.
Favoritism is just just one issues. August 14 12:27 AM mentioned that some of their top players are not coming back. How does that happened if the club is so good. Something must be happening for this players to be leaving!!!
When you have a pay to play system, parents who pay the fees become the focus. Player development is secondary. I've seen bad players receive plenty of playing time because the clubs want to please the parents. Is it any wonder good players leave? Everyone can see what's going on.
Nonsense about pay to play. I challenge anyone that knows of a good player held back by lack of money in NJ. If anything its the "scholarship" players who get favorite treatment because of ownership's misplaced talent assessment due to parent's super hype and ethnic stereotypes. When the super hype disappoints, you have good full tuition players leaving who were not treated fairly.
I witnessed this kind of treatment of a young boy. I was appalled. Not only was he not allowed to play, his parents payed full fees, were lied to about playing time and had his confidence crushed.
Wrong blog. This is not u8 girls.
Are you proud of yourself for being such a dick? Parents trust people in charge to do the right thing. You do know we're talking about kids, right?
The blogger above mentioned that some of CSA's top players left. That is sad when an organization allows that to happen. That is probably because of all those things that are happening in the teams. This is going to hurt them in the upcoming season. Do you guys know who left? They had a few standout players in their rosters.
Organizations allow this to happen? In their arrogance, they miss the point that they can control only so much with empty promises and too many side deals that can't be met. a tangled web that in the end fails.
Yea, they allow it to happen!!!You are playing in the highest youth league in the United States, there is nothing above it. So why would a player want to leave, unless you are not treating your players right, especially your top players then they will want to leave. It is said, because CSA is a club that is trying to establish themselves and when you are losing players because you are not treating players fairly, right and whatever else you doing, that is not good.
Which CSA team lost top players?
Last year and this year's u13/14 academy teams.
CSA doesn't have 16 and 18 academy teams, do they? Wouldn't all their players wanting to remain in the USSDA have to move on after 14 acad? I was under the impression they were added in 2014 as a 14 acad only status, but is that completely inaccurate, and they will form 16 and 18 teams?
I thought that CSA was going to have a u16 academy team for this coming season but that doesn't seem to be the case. Maybe that is why some of their u14 players left.
More smoke and mirrors.
The CSA U14 2000 academy team conbined with the NJCSA U14 2000 academy team and they will form the NJCSA U15 Pre-Academy team this fall. So the CSA players will be playing under the NJCSA Pre-Academy team. Practices will be 2 days week in Holmdel and 2 days a week in Ridgefield Park (Bergen County). A few players from the CSA U14 2000 team were invited and will be playing U16 Academy with NJCSA. Don't forget that CSA owns or is partner of NJCSA.
Forty miles of driving, each way. How many on either side will do that?
I heard from a parent that some of the players left, because of politics when it came to this merger, as the poster above stated. The kids that left were all starters and some were even their top players. One kid is playing over sees, two other kids will be playing high school, two more switched teams and a couple of more will continue to be playing for CSA but on their EDP Newark team.I have seem this team play, and when they played as team they were very good. The kids that they lost could of definitely helped this falls NJCSA's U15 and U16 teams.
no one likes to play for an organization that covers for a few specially selected and covered for spoiled players. very simple.
It's the back door deals and promises that these two organizations make that irritate so many people. Parents are allowed to manipulate doc, coaches and owners. That has no place in a ussda program but yet it is allowed here.
One thing that I find so unacceptable is that every organization says "NO PARENT INVOLVEMENT. WE ARE PROFESSIONALS." I was the fool for believing it and my child is the one who suffered. I wish there was a way to hold theses places accountable for their actions. We were lied to in so many ways.
Back to an earlier post- does CSA u 13/14 academy team have parent coaches????
No and Yes. No, because the head coach is not a parent.Yes, because the owner (which has son's on the team) is part of the coaching staff and sits on the sideline with the coach whenever he comes to the games.
People, CSA existed for two years and was then given academy status by USSDA. There is a reason for the expression "money talks". If you think the USSDA is any different and "money talks" does not apply, well you are more than naïve.
Let's see if there is not one more parent that bullies his way onto the academy coaches bench (or right behind it, next to it) to make sure his two priorities are covered?
Will all the "press" NJSA and CS is getting on this blog, they must be the best known youth soccer brand in America by now...... yawn.....
Any "top" player in NJ who leaves the non-MLS academies (e.g. NJSA, CSA, PDA), unless their family is moving or they went overseas (one legit from PDA in the past few years), did so because they made the NYRB or PU teams, which is how it should be. Everything else are most likely just sour grapes or misinformed story telling.
Ok, but is it possible that the non-mls academies could actually be borderline soccer frauds? and use their perceived elevated status as an organization to just make money from all the younger players who do not know any better until its too late? what do the non-mld academies really offer? 25-30 player rosters? one barely competitive game a week often times 100+ miles away? practice fields borrowed, converted football fields, 40 miles away etc?player development? really? I'm not seeing it. i'll predict mls academies only in two-three years at u16-18. the non mL can keep the u13-14s and continue to butcher the system and take advantage of people's money.
Yes, I do believe they are fraudulent. Organizations motivated by greed and profit, not the promised player development.
I think that characterizing them as fraudulent is a little too much. Why? Because this is the best the US can offer given the structure of the system. In other countries you have 1st, 2nd, 3rd and sometimes even 4th division teams, that each have their own youth academies. Many, if not all of these teams are financed by the city governments, and consist of coaches who were players or are professionally educated coaches. The US just doesn't have that infrastructure, so it has to rely on 1) township clubs with daddy coaches, and 2) non-MLS academies. These academies have to pay the coaches, filed maintenance, etc. and they have to make a profit too, hence the $2,500 one pays. Given that these are semi-professional organizations, you will have a semi-professional experience with them..... Last thing to note... if you were to spend time with the MLS academy parents, you would hear similar complaints from those parents too. Basically, it's more or less the same BS everywhere, and usually the parents who are complaining the most are the parents of the kids who are on the bottom half of the talent pool.
Fair response. Puts things into perspective. However, holding the Academy programs accountable, will be the deciding factor for improvement. Otherwise, they will continue to pocket the money and continue to screw around with people and hide behind the curtain.
And who's going to hold Academy programs accountable? USSoccer? Who's holding any of them accountable currently? Is it really the parents of the players at the bottom half of the talent pool who are complaining the most? It's ridiculous to think that parents of talented players aren't unhappy with what's going on as well. And like another poster said... talk to parents on a couple MLS Academies, and you'll often hear many similar issues. It simply isn't about player development in this country, and we don't have quality coaching.
Maybe the head coach of USMNT and the local guy in charge of the u21s need to go and be replaced with people that get more involved in raising the standards of the academy program?takes too long for real change. bradley coached his own son and now the USMNT has no other choices at that position, JK's son seems to be a favorite as well as GK and we all know how the other guy runs his own local academy here in NJ to know the problems start at the top.
When US teenagers must go to European Academies to get quality training, it pressures the USSDA to step it up. The US is losing good soccer talent. Rossi had to go to Italy to get noticed.
can the moderator please explain why the last posting was removed? The only name mentioned was of a professional player Rossi. So if I mention Messi will you remove that too? I don't understand what rule was broken here?
I've been seeing a lot of Tab Ramos lately at the NJCSA practices. It'd be nice if it stays that way. Would like to see him more involved.
Academy/Pre-Academy season starts this weekend; time to put up or shut up. Time to see what teams will be on top of their Division, and what teams will be at the bottom. Time to see what players have changed academies for better or worse.NJCSA and CSA have combined to form the U15 Pre-Academy and U16 Academy teams, how is that going to work out for NJCSA this year.CSA U14 how will they fair this year as they now are no longer Pre-Academy, will they continue to be strong and battle the Red Bulls for the top spot.Red Bulls, will they continue to dominate the Eastern conference at all age groups.PDA, how will their U15 team fair with the arrival of some Red Bulls, Match Fit and new comers. What about the rest of PDA teams, will they continue to be strong and fight for the top spots.Philly Union's new U15 Pre-Academy team how will they fair, who have they recruited from other academies for that team. What about the rest of their teams, will they continue to battle at the top.Delco, can they fare any better this year? The last 2 years in Academy were not their years.Let's not forget our boys from the Empire state!!!Gotteschee, can they continue to be the top academy in the Northeast Division and even battle for Eastern Conference Supremacy.FC Westchester, can their U16 make the playoff again this year. What about their U18 can they do better then 8th place in the Northeast Division.NYCFC, how will their U14 team do in their first year of academy.World Class and NY Soccer Club, can they do better in their 2nd year of academy.
Looking forward to watching PDA vs. PU U16 game this weekend.
9:09 PMI wanted to go to that game but it is a little too far from me. I wait to they meet again in NJ.
Predictions Fall 2015U16 group - it's going to be a tight race between RBNY and PU. PDA will be a distant 3rd, followed by NJSA, Gotschee, etc..... I do give PU a slight advantage based on what I have seen so far.U15 group, I think it will be between PU and PDA. NJCSA won't come even close this year.... Gotschee could be competitive..... Hoping to see a RBNY U15 group next year. Big mistake on their part not to have this age covered. Rumor has it that they will have it next year. NYFC - don't expect to see anything meaningful in the next year or two from them.U14 - will be dominated by RBNY and PU with PDA close behind - NJCSA may surprise, but I doubt itThe best kids still go to the two MLS academies.
I like your predictions except.You forgot about CSA on the U14 group. They finished second to the Red Bulls last year in the U13 Pre-Academy, and they played each other 3 times and all games I heard were dominated by by CSA even though they lost 2 games and 1 of those losses was by Pks in the Pre_Academy playoff finals. CSA is also returning all their players plus they also picked up a couple of new kids that are good.I believe PDA will be fighting for the top spot in the U16 Group. Their U15 team finished first in Pre-academy last year and that is the base for their team this year. Plus they have 4 really good 2000 players on that group which I believe are all US Region 1 pool players; one of the 2000's came from CSA and he was one of the best players there. These 4 players can probably start for the U16 PDA.I also believe that Gottschee can be a dark horse in the U16 group. Their team finished 3rd in Pre-Academy last season and this is a really good team. They can match up with any team on the field.
Didn't forget CSA - referring to them as NJCSA here. I know they had good results last year but I think that each generation of good players will get weaker as the top players leave to the MLS academies, hence I said I don't think they will do as well in U14 as last year in U13. NYRB and PU will dominate and PDA and NJCSA distant 3rd and 4th.For the U16, to my knowledge there are only 2 players on the field and 2 goalies who are 2000. The player who you mention from CSA didn't end up there based on the roster that was release a few days ago. Also their best player in the 99 group last year seems to have left. http://plda.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=1401345Yes the two 2000 field players will start and play every game all game, but one of them for the wrong reasons. We'll see how they do vs. PU this weekend. Don't forget that the 99's last year won the league without RBNY or PU teams in it. At U16 it will be RBNY and PU, and PDA a distant 3rd. Don't think Gotschee will do well. Their 99's were unbelievable a few years ago, but top players left.PDA U15 has a good chance at winning the NPL. They lost a few players from last season. Three moved up, two went to PU, 1 to Gotschee, and a few are playing HS. They got 4 players who didn't make the U16 from RBNY so they are a wash.
So what happened to the CSA 2000 player that was supposed to play for PDA. I thought he had made the U16 roster.
Heard the same, plus other stories. I don't have first hand information, so I won't speculate.
I was told that the 2000 kid did make the U16 PDA squad but instead his family chose to bring him to Brazil so he can play and go to school over there.
That is incorrect
10:04How do you know that to be incorrect?
Only another example of parent hype.
Does anyone Know the scores of the PDA Philly games?
PDA 18's won 2-0Union 16's won 2-0Union 14's won 4-2
and U15 PU won 3-2
No one cares about the u15 team. This is an Academy page and pre-academy is not the real academy.
Maybe you should speak for yourself and not everyone else. I think a lot of people would consider a pre academy team at a MLS academy to be worthy of discussion on this site.
It was a scrimmage, it means nothing.
Angry man, whoever you are, go fight with the wife if you still have one. Let the rest of us discuss whatever game, scrimmage, academy, pre-academy, pick up game.... we want.
the angry guy does have point though. 40 players on a Union u15 pre-academy team is really not that interesting.
Big game for the NJCSA 2004 Blue vs Everton FC 2004 Blue next Saturday. I heard NJCSA scrimmaged against Hazlet United this past weekend. Does anyone know the score?
From my perspective academy or pre-academy, especially at MLS franchise, is not much of a difference. RBNY is most likely to re-introduce the U15 next year too.If you only follow your kid's team, then yes you will be only interested in your kid if he's on the academy team. However, if you are following a few generations of players that go through the system, and on who the future of the US soccer is being built on, then both academy and pre-academy dynamics are interesting to watch.Bottom line, people should be able to discuss on this blog both pre-academy and academy. It's not like the guy was discussing academy and U8 Mid-NJ Flight 9 team....
Why isn't the USSDA website updated for the new season?
check out http://www.ussoccerda.com
Went to see the NJCSA U16 academy game vs Richmond this last weekend. My son is considering joining the NJCSA team after the high school season is over. What a disappointment! Bad game from NJCSA, uninspired coaching, lack of talent in the team and a 5-1 loss! Anybody knows how many of these kids are new in the NJCSA academy roster? The comments about NJCSA on this blog and the game last weekend make us have second thoughts... Thanks.
Maybe Richmond has a few more players who decided to play academy instead of high school.
Don't think that is the reason for the lopsided results.
1:25 AMI was told that there are 26 players on that roster, and that the team is made up of last year’s NJCSA U15 Pre-academy team and a few players from the CSA U14 Team. I also know that some players that were supposed to transfer to that team over the summer from other teams decided not to at the end. At the end of the day, how good is your kid? If he is better than the current players in NJCSA and you believe he can be play in every game, than it might be worth going. Again, that is on the assumption he is going and is going to play all the time, otherwise you are competing for playing time with 26 other players. One thing you should know, all academy training is the same, what changes are the calibers of players in each team.
If joining as a new player, better have some leverage to make a deal for playing time in advance. Otherwise, forget it. The local fix is already in and the team is set.
The NJCSA U16 Academy team only has 17 players on the roster, as per the new USSDA site - http://njsa.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=1400554. Might be room for more.
Richmond lost to RB 7-0 day before. Losing 5-1 to that team is not even competetive. Have to ask the question, how does this full Academy team covering such a large territory merging two programs have only 17 players?
I don't think that the new USSDA sight has all the players that are playing listed. If check other teams besides NJCSA, you will see that the roster is not complete.
i actually believe its 17. They can't develop, they can't retain, and they can't attract. 10 years in business and this is where they are at? we should all be pissed that live in the area and the monopoly is secure and we are stuffed with this product.other academies have to limit rosters at the max 32 or something. this one, has to recruit in sept to have enough to qualify for a registered team?
Yes, it is 17 for NJCSA 99s. And they are still recruiting.Look at your other choices first and do what is right for your son.
If you can get your kid in Red Bull, Philly Union Academy, or PDA then go for it. Red Bull attracts the top talent in the area and it shows from their stats, plus they are free and have the MLS to back them, unlike NJCSA or PDA. Philly Union or PDA would probably the next choice, but PU is probably too far for tri-state area players and PDA is pay to play.
PDA 18 and 16 are fees are free - pay for travel.
Stay away from NJCSA unless you want to torture your child. The Academy teams are horrendous, loose all the time. There are kids in that system that have lost close to 80 games and won 5 in their time there. The poor pathetic results are the result of the coaches/training. They are also horrible judges of talent. The talent pool given the coverage area is huge. The DOC and coaches are simply bad at what they do. This is not unusual, there are bad doctors, mechanics, maids etc. Why is this difficult to understand? Look at the resumes/results of the coaches there -- if they are even given -- it is plain to see these are bottom of the barrel in their prospective field.
just like the post office.
"They are also horrible judges of talent". I agree 100% with that statement. They lost some good players this past off season because of that reason. For all the coaches they have on their staff they should be doing a better job scouting and picking players.
It seems to me that coaches think they can take any player and develop him into a great player. What other reason is there for leaving better players on the bench?
You watch, I bet you that the U15 NJCSA will do better then the U16 NJCSA academy team this year. That will tell how good they are in selecting players. The U15 team, has a couple of players that are much better than some players in the U16.
Favoritism, both real and imagined, exists everywhere. So that is a wash as far as all clubs/academies. The simple fact is the coaches/trainers at NJCSA are very very poor and cannot develop anything. The proof is there in the results and the fact there are 00000 college coaches at any game. They may occasionally crow about a player that was once there, but that player never came through their system. He may have been there for year, two at most.Run from these "coaches"
you can have as many players as you want at the academy level but you can only roster 17 for a game, and don't look at results, who cares maybe one kid or two might go pro look at the academy as a springboard to get your son into a better college.
oh and 6:27 they have a national team player right now on the 18 roster do your homework!!
9:01, academy (as well as other teams) can roster 18 players per game. the "national team player" that you refer to is a product of the Red Bulls academy, NJCSA is *NOT* an academy level club. More like a poorly run town club...
That player is at NJCSA because he gets promoted by them and he has no other competition. At Redbulls, he was one of many.
Sounds pretty smart on his part.
NJCSA U16 Academy had a great game against Red Bull today that ended up as a 1-1 tie. This team has potential.
September 12 8:52I watched that game also and I agree, the U16 NJCSA does have potential. Red Bulls didn't look good at all. I can see RB U16 losing a few games this year.
Red Bulls U16 has dominated their first 3 games against PA Classics (6-1), Richmond United (7-0), and DC United (5-1) but looks like NJCSA slowed them down a bit. I wonder what went wrong? I expected RB to put a thrashing against NJCSA, but the wasn't the case.
If you really know, you would know that Academy teams are not supposed to play 10 players in the box and hope for a 0-0 tie. But, every year, one club plays this way vs RB and no surprise the result. What do you really accomplish with that? Another wasted Saturday.
September 14, 11:42I am not an NJCSA fan, but I was the game and NJCSA did not have 10 players in the box. The game was petty even and both teams had possession and chances to score and not one team dominated the game. As you say, RB has been dominant on their first 3 games, but not on this one.
I’m a NJCSA parent and was at the game. The only people that were at the game were people that had a child on the field. It was a rainy day. I disagree with the comments on this site saying that NJCSA doesn’t have any talent; we obviously do so stop saying it. I do agree that the coaching we get is subpar, especially for an academy. This is supposed to be the development league but all I see is tactics out of Jose Mourinho play book of 10 men behind the ball. EPL players are developed and this is a tactic they employ at points of the game not the entire game. Not with our team. We play it every game all game long. Pack the box then hope for a counter attack. Yes we pack the box that is the coach’s instruction to our boys. I think we had 3 shots on goal all day against RB. It was a good win (tie) for us but it wasn’t a victory for our program. The DOC and coaches need to start teaching the proper way to play this game. Also, I hope the player that was carried off the field for RB is ok. It was a hard challenge and we were lucky not to get a red in the first 5 minutes of the game. There were 2 against us in the u18 game before ours.
NJCSA is terrible at teaching possession. Focus is too much on taking the guy on. As a result you get a lot of kids who dribble first and pass as an afterthought. With that type of mentality, they will not be the team with the bulk of the possession. I wish they could find a happy medium.
Njcsa thinks that win was earned. They keep the wholeTeam in the box and attempt to take out one of Redbulls best playersWhat a joke. Shame on you coach and club.
PDA is a money making business. The talent there is going down hill and fast. Worse And worse every year. So much good talent leaving and going to clubs where their talents are recognized. PDA is so notorious for putting the same hand full of kids in the spotlight. Wake up PDA. You have lost some great players... Time to getNew eyes in that place. They can't see talent if it hit them in the face. So sad
looks like pda is really all about promoting one coach's sons at the expense of all others and the program. this is widely known issue.
Red bulls 16 and 18 are coached for many years by guys who where closed to director of academy ,people who think only about how they are going to look by the end of the year, they are famous for breaking kids future , if they are trying to go for other national experience
Yes ,rb doesn't care about theirs academy players after they done with u 18
@1:28amThat coach at PDA has two sons on the academy teams. They both enjoy preferential treatment. Lucky them!
1:14, you still got to go to Italy for your little money making scheme.
The USSF needs to put an end to the Ponzi scheme and sham that is NJCSA and the shucksters, snake oil salesman, and fraudsters that run it. Playing there is absolutely meaningless and for them to argue otherwise is a disgrace
It's just really pathetic when coaches mistreat a child because the owner told them to. You really think that's good business? Talk about muppets!
Shame on NJCSA for taking advantage of parents the unwary and most of all children.
In not having come from NJCSA, I think there are other academies with nearly identical issues to so many stated about NJCSA. 9/22 8:40AM said a lot in the statement about playing there being absolutely meaningless. That's what it comes down to, and it's a pathetic, sad misuse of what is being sold to parents/players as the highest level of development in the country... yeah, whatever... player development is the last thing on their minds. I'm only speaking for what we're seeing from my son's club so not making a blanket statement about all academies, but when I read all the comments about NJCSA, it's like someone is writing about my son's academy as well.
The ones in NY are no different than NJ. Regional monopolies that present much more than what they deliver with no accountability other than to use status to make $ from other teams, training, indoor facilities etc. The whole system needs a overhaul. Unfortunately, the guy that runs the one in NJ is in charge of national standards. go figure.and his $ partner runs the 2 division hammerheads. i see from the article posted, not doing to well there either?
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After all the negative chatter on this forum about the new NJCSA turf fields not happening, it has finally come to fruition. Congrats to NJCSA!
Like putting lipstick on a pig...sorry, it's still a pig!
That's funny, however, it's a step in the right direction.
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