MLS teams can pay for their academies but it's not clear who will be paying for club academies. I do think that all academy teams will be free eventually but travel expenses can be very expensive. Do MLS academies cover all travel expenses?
Looking forward to this weekend brother/sister match up. NJSA squares off against Cedar Stars. Any prognosticators want to take a shot?
NJcsa looses all games and very badly. That is a bet u can take to Vegas and bet the house.
Both of those teams are going to have a difficult season. Yes, they may beat teams like Albertson or Seacoast, but it will be a rude awakening for CS. Still think CS will beat NJSA.
Coaching, talent and mental - all advantages favor CS by one or two goals.
CS has already played NJCSA in a scrimmage a few weeks ago and they beat NJCSA 4-2 in a com from behind victory. CS had a couple of their core players missing and also started the game with mostly their bench players.
6:01 all players travel expenses are covered by the MLS academies.
Thanks. It's difficult for club academies to compete with that butI think that an MLS only academy system would require too much travel.
It continues to astonish me why so many people continue to compare MLS academies with other non-mls academy teams playing within the USSDA. Even though they play in the same league their overall agenda is completely different. MLS academies were established to develop professional players to play primarily in the MLS...that's it. If they're lucky this will amount to about 1-2 players every couple of years. MLS academies are part of the USSDA because that is where it's believed the best competition is within the US. Whether or not they win or lose games or gain national team exposure for the players is completely irrelevant. Their goal is about creating the best environment to develop professional players and selecting players that are talented and aspire to play at the professional level. The goal is not to get a kid a college scholarship or to win the most titles at the youth level or even make the national team. Sure...if they're doing a good job then all of this comes with the territory. Too many people continue to compare results and rant about which team or academy is better Ask yourself...what is the end goal for the player and what do they want? If it's just to develop and get the most you can out of the game and have fun then any academy might do. However, if your kids are interested in developing into a professional player then the natural progression should be either an MLS academy or somewhere abroad. What was Messi's, Ronaldo's, Dempsey, Tim Howard or any pro players team record when they were 10, 11, 12, 13 years old? Nobody knows and nobody cares. It's about understanding what the kid wants and what sort of sacrifice they're willing to make for it and if they're talented enough to play at a higher level. People in the US are so obsessed with results especially at the youth level and which team is better than the other. We finally have an environment in this country were kids have a real chance of fulfilling their dream of playing professionally and all we still talk about is what the score was on the weekend. Don't get me wrong learning to compete and win is important for a kids development but not at the expense of their development.
If you think that parents of kids playing for youth academies of big clubs are not focused on winning and results at 11, 12, etc... you are very mistaken. With some first hand insight into European youth soccer and professional clubs, I can say, yes the system there is way ahead, and the infrastructure continuum from an early age on is much, much better, but I have been at session and games there, and have listened to the parents. Trust me they are sometimes even more delusional than parents in the US.Another thing that no one talks about is that, in many parts of Europe and especially LA, Africa, etc..., unless your kid is in the top 5-10%, you better be ready to "reward" the coaches to pick your kid over others... etc..., which is not the case in the US system.
Absolutely agree. You'll find parents of kids all over the world that only focus on results even at the big clubs. However, a parent at --lets say -- Bayern Munich's academy has way less (if any) influence then a parent on the sideline of many of the clubs within the US (somewhat because of the pay-to-play structure but not entirely). The fact remains that too many US academies, USSF, and other teams cater entirely too much to the parents and not enough to the actual players. Mainly because they're scared the parents won't keep there kid around and keep paying the fees or the pressure of losing there job. This is completely mind-blowing to me. If the kids are developing properly, then results will come. Even if they don't then you'll still be developing players that can potentially play at a higher level whether it's semi-pro, college or even just a higher level team. Developing a player takes complete commitment and trust from coaches, players, parents or the organization that funds it (if it's free-to-play). It's very difficult to find a place like this within the US (there's a few). So the next time someone throws around the D word people should ask -- who has the club teams or academies actually developed that has had real SUCCESS (keyword) at the highest level of the game. Ideologicallly, the answer should be every coach that kid has ever played for because we (parents too) all have a part in influencing the players future? It's what has a player learned along the way and do they have the talent & skill, will, commitment, intelligence, physicality and environment to make it and be successful whatever that level is. he rules here are not like other countries when it comes to development of players. If the US has any chance of growing as a soccer nation then we need more clubs working together within the country's soccer infrastructure not against each other. We need more parents to help their kids growth not hinder it. And we need more coaches and parents that care more about the kids future and not just the wins and loss column. The more this begins to happen, then the US club teams and academies might have a chance of producing stars such as Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo, etc.Sorry for the long post.
Great post. I agree that there is too much parental influence here because of the "money talks" philosophy. You can say that coaches want to be rewarded in Latin America and Africa but I see that happening in this country too. It's not helping the sport's growth in the U.S. I started out trusting the system, not so much anymore.
MLS Academies don't listen to parents,only their players. There is no cost so money is not an issue.I think it's a pretty good system.
What happened at NJSA vs Cedar Stars game? Is NJSA a complete bust or do they have any talented players going against the regular starters of Cedar Stars?
6:41 You're right MLS Academies don't need to listen to parents and the system would work great if that were the sole issue. Most MLS academies don't get the support needed from the MLS to really bring the academy system to the next level. What's even more disturbing is the amount of non-mls academy teams, clubs, coaches that give players a difficult time to play for one of them MLS academies. I'm curious to know how many people here have experienced something like this? Did you stay or leave?I've heard and witnessed too many horror stories of clubs and coaches mistreating players and their families just for even wanting to tryout for an MLS academy team. However, those same coaches have no problem if they go tryout somewhere overseas no matter where it is, and where the chances of making it to a professional level decrease dramatically, as well as, any chance of a college coach seeing you play (if that's your plan b). Many teams deter their players from joining an MLS academies (sad but true). Why is this? So they can win more games...that's just absurd.
2:53 that is concerning. What do you mean by mistreated (examples)? Son plays for non mls club that is an academy, wants to tryout for local mls club next year too. WhAt are we in for? Have been with this club for a while. want to avoid hard feelings or burn bridges, have been happy there. Does he just stay put?
Like I said, beaten and beaten badlt
Njcsa looses 16-1.
Is destroying a team 16-1 really necessary? I think that's showing unsporting behavior.
Which NJCSA team lost 16-1. Cannot seem to find it. This has to be a joke.
It's no joke. The NJCSA v Cedar Stars U13/14 game. I don't think they will post that ridiculous score.
CSA 1 x 0 NJCSA. CSA outplayed NJCSA specially in the second half when they made a couple of substitutions but they missed a few chances. The game should of been maybe 3 or 4, but that is soccer.
16-1 1-0? Apparently only one was at the game and the other is a pot stirrer.
All academy schedules and scores can be found here http://ussda.demosphere.com/schedules/2014-2015/all.20149.htmlAll pre-academy games and schedules can be found here http://www.nationalpremierleagues.com/NEPAL/Schedules/index_E.htmlCS vs. NJSA score not yet posted but heard from multiple sources that it ended in 1:0 for CS.
Who won the NJCSA vs Cedar Stars game Sat?
Nevermind, my computer wasn't refreshing....
00 Cedar Stars were defeated by 00 Match Fit. Anyone know what happened at that game?
That is an old game. Anyway, just check the academy schedule web site.
Matchfit has a strong team. 4-0 with 0 goals against. Very good results for an academy that is supposedly on the way out.
Match Fit lost the game to Red Bull 5-0, Red Bull is 4-0.
Njsa vs philly union results anyone know they are not posted
18s - NJCSA 2 - 1 Union16s - Union 3 - 0 NJCSA 14s - Union 1 - 0 NJCSA Draw your own conclusions but decent results for the NJ academy IMO.
It all depends on how you look at it. If a club is going to go through a year defending 9 deep to keep the score close for 'competitive' results, then yes, it is decent. Some would be more concerned with having 1 or 2 wins in 20 some odd games with a .33% goals scored for average. Was anyone at any of the games? From what I hear it was more of a defensive practice session than an actual game at one of the particular age levels. Don't shot the messenger, its just what I heard!
If you have a 2000 kid and you live in NJ, we all know that you first go to RBNY, and if your kid doesn't make it then you go to Philly Union or PDA, then CS or Matchift, and if you didn't make it any of those places, then you go try out at NJSA..... I think that says it all. Yes, geography plays a role, but the point is NJSA is the last place you go to.
3:16 that is not necessarily true.
unfortunately it is
What if he's happy with his team, he feels comfortable there, has friends there and plays with confidence. That's what's important. Not just winning.
If those are the only reasons which matter, than go join a decent local travel team. He'll get the same takeaways and allow you to put your money towards private training for development. Because your not getting any at NJSA. Isn't that the primary reason you are at an academy? development?
5:56pm post said it well
5;56 Come on now; why are we singling out NJSA. None of the 5 academies in New Jersey are developing players. You may have about 5 kids in each academy that they had them since they were 10 years old and you may be able to claim that you developed them, but aside from that the rest of the players all came from somewhere else already with some type of skills.
And then unfortunately you get to watch those skills diminish over time with the lack of quality programs.
Agreed. Most kids from Academies come from outside the program. But the key is how they develop 'further' once in the program. It's common knowledge that NJSA is extremely weak at developing players. Just look at their annual open tryouts. You do not see players knocking down the door to get in. Nor, do you see many current players offered invites to other academies out there. Maybe some day it will improve. But at the moment with the crew they have running NJSA it is not worth it.
11:54 that is right.
You are right. The "top academies" can recruit the best players and that happens every year even at their younger groups. But if your kid isn't part of their select/starting group or getting major minutes, he probably isn't developing adequately anyway or even happy. The best players at any DA can play in college. What seperates top tier and lower tier teams is depth of talent. A change of scenery and an opportunity can do wonders for confidence.
NJSA does not provide busing to games that are a great distance for players. No level of academy professionalism. This should be a priority for US Federation Academy.
Njsa is done. Don't forget to turn out light.
9:49 with exception of the MLS academies, none of the other academies provide buses for long distance games.
The current DOC at NJSA has done nothing since his arrival except collect a paycheck...like Obama says....its time for chnage
Same reason why the Red Bull Academy fired him.Claims to have 'created' the RB training program but when you speak to any of the coaches over there, they knew him as an office clerk. Has a nice big training manual he touts to incoming parents but never seems to use it in his sessions. He's a farce......
After a brief respite the NJCSA bashing is picking up again. I liked it better when we were adding something constructive to the site. Give it a rest, pleeeeze!
why is it picking up
USSF U14 Camp call ups just announced. Lone NJ kid is from down south and plays for the Union. NY represented by NYRB (2 kids), Met Oval (3), and Gotschee (1). The latter clubs 2 are also NYCFC affiliates i.e. feeders. Interesting to note that the Philadelpia Union on their website list both the "previous" and "developmental" clubs of the academy player. As you might imagine, plenty of NJ kids but many are from smaller clubs like the player that got the called up to the camp.
correction on my previous post.... just realized that these are 2001... still Met Oval doesn't dominate this age group... RBNY much stronger age group and so is CS and PDA.
Yes, these are mostly the 2001 cycle. Teams with all or mostly 2000s will do really well or dominate the 13/14 age group. Hence teams with little depth that have to play kids up have a harder time. Just a guess, but the Met Oval kids are already being set up for NYCFC. Red Bulls will now have a recruiting battle now for the NYC, LI, Conn., etc talent which will make things much more interesting. Philadelphia Union also has the territorial rights and strong feeder programs further south. Competition makes everyone better but also makes clubs a little anxious and reactionary. So if your kid wasn't getting much playing time, I would be a little nervous. Lots of clubs talk "development" but kids that help them get wins get prioritized. Then another round of musical chairs begins again.
How are those new facilities coming along at NJSA
I would like to know how players are selected for the US training camps. Are they really "called up"or are they just sent there by academy staffs who say here are the players we want to promote. It seems like some good players are never invited.
'How are those new facilities coming along at NJSA'Answer:" We have committed to working on a soccer complex that will enable us to continue to grow and attract players to our state of the art facility. The planning stages have begun and we hope to have this completed within 12-18 month’s" It has only been 6 or 7 months since this announcement. Give them some time!
Kudos to Philly Union for working with local clubs to locate the best talent. That's why they list their player's previous clubs. All academies should be doing this.
2:26 I agree with that. It is a really nice thing to do that.God knows they did not develop those players.
It is fact that MLS academies did not develop players from an early age but club academies sometimes do.
So who developed this player? Mostly everyone knows where he played his academy in NJ yet not even a mention of it.http://americansoccernow.com/articles/towering-teen-danny-barbir-lands-at-west-brom
He spent the last few years in PDA before leaving to UK. Note that many of the top prospects are children of immigrants from LA, Africa or Europe. They grow up with fathers who are fanatical about football (soccer) and I believe that that growing up in that environment gives those kids somewhat of an advantage vs. the non-immigrant kids whose fathers/mothers grew up playing basketball, baseball, etc...Just go watch people at a soccer match in US vs. Europe or LA..... a whole different level of passion.
nO, THE REALITY IS WE HAVE GIVEN OUR CHILDREN A BETTER LIFE, OR MORE ADVANTAGES THAN PLAYING A SPORT COULD BRING. JUST LOOK AT ENGLAND. NO UPPER CRIST LET ALONE MIDDLE CLASS PLAY SOCCER. THE REASON FOR THAT IS .0001 OF 1 PERCENT MALE A DECENT LIVING. SURE THERE IS THE ROONEY OR LAMPARD, ABOUT THE 40 MILLION MALES WHON PLAYED SOCCER AND ENDED ABOUT BEING BRICK LAYERS. PLEASE, THINKING YOUR CHILD IS GOING TO BE NATIONAL TEAM PLAYER IN A CUNTRY OF 300 MILLION IS NOT BETTER THAN THINKING YOU CHILD IS GOING TO WIN THE PICK SIX, TWICE. LOVE YOUR CHILD AND FOSTER EDUCATION, AND EMJOING JUSY PLAYING THEN GAME, YOU AND HE/SHE WILL BE BETTER SERVED
You sound so cliche 10:21pm poster. Your comments are totally misguided...
...and fix your keyboard so you can continue typing in lower case instead of CAPS. Your keyboard may get a heart attack from all the exitment.
If anyone here' seriously believe their child is going to the mls they need to do some serious sole checking and curb their ego an frustrated athlete syndrome
Just be realistic, if you are going to spend 2 grand on an academy program kick in a few bucks for the SAT prep class as well.
Talking about sub-par academies. NJSA doing well in PA PreAcademy Tournament this weekend. 5-1 and 4-0 losses. Not to worry, weak PA Classics team up tomorrow. Tough going when they do not play 9 back.
two comments...1) academy is about $5,000 / year unless you play for RB or PU. Tuition plus travel. HOWEVER, if you are on a high level township club and you pay region 1 and showcase tournaments it's about $4,000 / year with all the travel and hotels....not a big difference2) Take a look at the PDA academy players in the past two years and the schools they ended up (bottom right of page) in...http://www.pdasoccer.org/alumni/index_E.html(PDA is free at U16 and higher).... it looks that these parents spent money on academy and SAT courses.....
Subpar, they are not event that.
Stellar showing this weekend by NJCSA...they couldn't win a single game in any age group even against non academy teams...Some development.
NJCSA 99 NEPAL won 1-0 over PA Classic at NEPAL TournamentAnd not one scout watching their games.
There never are.
How would you know if there was a scout there? They never announce themselves.
They were all at the PDA game. You would have had to be blind not to see them.
With all this talk of development, how many Red Bull Academy players have made it up through the ranks to the first team? I saw an internet article from Dec 2012 that only six players had made it up until that time, and only two I had ever heard of (Lade, Kassel). Seems to me they get the cream of the crop but cannot develop the talent to a professional level.
Lade was only at red bulls academy for one year before he went to college at St. John's. Red Bulls had very little to do with his development but red bulls claim him as a home grown player.
Most of the MLS academies have had difficulty transitioning players from to the first team with the exceptions being LAG, RSL, FCD. Many articles have discussed this particular 'donut hole' in the development system. But it's not like their players end on the street. Many of them end up committing to the best soccer schools in the country for free (scholarship w/financial aid package).Until there is an adequate league to stash a talented 18 year old player, then many will opt for college which to be honest doesn't do much for development as well. Also many, many of our most talented players just aren't "student" material and will fall through the cracks in the ID process. Thankfully a handful have been getting opportunities in places like Europe and Mexico.
I think many of these posts are incorrect about NJCSA. My son plays there and he is one the best youth players I have ever seen, and I have heard the same from many others. We have only been there a few months but the coaches and results I have seen are all excellent. I am told facilities will be A1 in the near future.
Agreed. The doc at Njsa told me he made red bull academy and left because they would not allow him to develop players and at Njsa he is doing just that. And that other academies in nj don't develop players.
Here is one: Juan Agudelo - NJSA --> PASCO --> RedBulls --> USMNT --> etc, etc. He is still only 21
6:05pm poster... anyone who has been around NJ youth soccer for a few years knows that if your kid was as you say "one of the best youth players I have ever seen..", he would not be at NJSC. End of story. It's comical that you would even make such a statement.
Why wouldn't they be at njcsa?
6;05 your post sounds very suspicious. I've never heard of a parent bragging about their kid being the best youth player they've ever seen. If you really think that, you're out of touch. I don't know what team he's on at NJCSA, but they all have poor results and he has 0 chance of being seen by a scout.
My son is getting older and wants to focus on soccer more but I just can't see making the drive to PDA a few times a week, assuming he makes the team of course. I have three younger kids who are active as well. He's sort of maxed out with his club team plus there are politics with the coaches that are an issue and I simply cannot deal with another dad coach. So what are the other options? NJCSA is only 20 minutes from us compared to 60 to PDA yet the negative talk about NJCSA is hard to see past.
I think that you should look into NJCSA but be cautious. Not everyone hates them. There have got to be some good coaches there.If you're looking for the best opportunity available, It'a PDA. They have a better reputation.
Agree that PDA does have a better reputation but if you are very good or great player, you will get noticed even at NJCSA. And just seeing the relatively large number of former NJSA players currently on PDA rosters, they can't necessarily be that bad for development either. Some excellent trainers at both places as well as some poor ones. I would be very hesitant to join a "B" team at PDA for this reason. Some town teams do a much better job and are more competitive (and you don't have to give up playing in H.S.). I am weary of would would happen if both NJCSA and Matchfit would disappear. That area of the state with its wealth of talent deserves an academy and its unfortunate that it's options might be soon be even more limited.
Here is an article on a former NJSA (and TSF) player currently at the Union Academy. I don't think he necessarily gets the same opportunities to develop if he were at PDA. http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2013/05/12/sueno-mls-winner-alexander-soto-stays-humble-after-dazzling-performance
That player is latino. I don't want to sound racist but he has received extra attention from latino coaches because of it. I don't think you will see him getting the same attention at philly union.
Bottom line is that if a kids is a top players he/she will be notice anywhere and get the needed amount of attention. However, the majority of kids fall under this scenario...Kid dominates U8, flight 6 team... parents thinks "My kid is amazing"... then kid moves to U9 team that plays Maps1.... parent thinks "My kid is good, and he/she needs better competition".... then kid tires out at RBNY and doesn't make it... parent thinks "RBNY favor kids from the RDS program"..... kid tries out at NJSA, MF, or PDA....make team.... season starts parent thinks "this is the best club in the world and the right place for my child's development"... 3 or 4 games into the season... child is starting only 25 to 50% of times and gets limited playing time.... parent thinks "hmmmm... something isn't right here.."... Spring season starts, child mostly on bench...parent thinks "the coach doesn't lime my kid and is playing favorites...'... season ends and now child is going to tryout to every other academy under the sun (because god forbid they go back to a good township club).... child makes another academy parent thinks...."now this is the right place for my child"...same scenario as previous academy.... parent thinks "they destroyed my child... he/she had so much potential...." and etc,...etc... etc... the whole time there is only one thing that is true - the child is not a top level player and average amongst academy players at best. It would be actually in child's best interest to go back to high ranking township club after first year of academy fiasco....
No doubt that he might have received an extra look from "Latino" coaches but don't kid yourself if "European" players and coaches don't get special attention at other academies/clubs? It happens all over the place. And yes, "pay for play" does play into the demographics. But that doesn't mean they aren't talented and deserve to get a look or opportunity. The trend of top players getting looks in Europe is somewhat facilitated by the fact they might be holding dual citizenship. Other top players are getting picked up by Liga MX teams because of their ethnicity.
You people are ALL insane
"As the Division I soccer season rolls right along, scores of MLS Academy alumni around the country.While the best of the best from pro academies are all electing to turn pro, plenty out there are still playing college soccer."Red Bulls while not advancing that many academy players to the first team does very well in this respect.http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/college-soccer-articles/mls-academy-alumni-roundup:-oct-15_aid34804
RBA arguably gets the best talent, but I hear they have a reputation for "just rolling out the balls" and letting the kids play. If they had a more developmental focus would they produce more first-team capable players?
Is it true that player can go from one academy team to another in play next day with no recourse ? How many teams can you be carded on ? If you play EDP league you can just jump roster to roster? Why do the coaches or organizations allow this, if there were penalties I suppose it wouldn't happen as much.. What message is sent when constant recruiting occurs there is no room for player development you have a bad game your out mentality .. Not to mention the money wasted in academy jumping ..
I've heard from many coaches that the most important developmental years are ages 10-13. Is there significant player development after that?
There's always important player development going on at any age but the early years are very important in developing a love for the sport and good fundamentals.
I find that the tactical (spacial and positional awareness, decision making, combination play, etc) aspect of the development is lacking all the way up the age groups. Lots of skill players but not many with the soccer IQ to match.
Anyone watch any of the RedBulls vs PDA today in the battle of the energy drink and the Irish cider
RB 5 PDA 0
Was that the 18s? Did the St. Ben's kids play with PDA? Pretty shocking scoreline regardless especially w/ PDA playing at home.How about the 14s and 16s?
14s - RB 5 PDA 0. RB draw best players from much broader area. PDA draw from a smaller region and different type of player. Players in all other programs in area, are just waiting for HS to start.
What do you mean by "different type of player"?It isn't going to get any easier for them with the Union establishing themselves, NYCFC stockpiling talent through their affiliate clubs, and Cedar Stars with their St. Bens Prep connection.
RB will still take from NYFC for several years until they get their act together. CSA affiliation with SBP is overestimated and Union will draw from the South. PDA will continue to get the above average in between.
PDA 16 tied Red BullPDA 18 will get better with the St bennies kids They also have 2 98s playing on the 18sBottom line PDA won Nationals last and will always be very good
Yes PDA will always be good for our US standards (which desperately need to be elevated), but RBNY are and will stay (significantly) better for a long time.... not sure about Philly Union though (jury still out - let's revisit in 2-3 years). RBNY is still a whole level about PhillyU (for 2000 age group).I think it will take NYSC a few years to catch up with RBNY (if at all), and CS are (at best) going to get to a PDA level in a few years (but I doubt it).
didn't pda 18s get some one time help from a few late international transfers last year? good for them if so, but let's not get too carried away.
PDA's biggest advantage over most clubs has been it's facilities and playing philosophy. Over the recent years that advantage has waned a bit as more clubs are playing possession, upgraded their coaching staff, and put in turf artificial turf. But they are still a premier NJ and national club. Where this comes to play is in the incubation of talent for RBNY, Union, NYCFC player pool. RDS and "club neutral" player development helps a little but is predominately for scouting. PDA still and will probably always get top-shelf players and may even develop a few along the way. However, there are plenty and plenty of talented players in this region for RBNY and the rest to select from. If Cedar Stars and St. Benedict end up formalizing a residency program in the next few years, it will open their recruiting nationally and even internationally. The Union already have a residency program in place.
Does PDA even have a pre-academy anymore?
Where does njsa/njcsa fit into this?
I think that NJCSA is being phased out as an academy but will remain as a premier club but no one knows the exact time-line.
The teams of NJSA yes. They will be phased out unfortunately as an academy. Hopefully, they will still build the complex for the premier MAPS and EDP teams.
Some real interesting nuggets here:http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/the91stminute/2014/10/raul-is-reportedly-joining-the-cosmos/"The reason has to do with the continually shifting sands of the New York area’s development setup. RBNY’s held a stranglehold on it for years, but their recent decision to kibosh a USL PRO side in addition to the club’s tenuous status with its Austrian ownership throws some doubt into how stable we can expect it to be in the coming years. Plus, with the nonexistent pipeline to the senior team, how long can we expect youth players to continue filling it before it begins to dry?There are other factors at play here. NYCFC is coming, for one. But other clubs are pouring resources into New York City. Boca Juniors opened its first non-franchised academy outside Argentina on Long Island earlier this year. They didn’t opt to enter the Development Academy in time for the 2014-15 season, but with the full weight of the Argentinian giant’s financial muscle behind it, it’d be foolish to expect they won’t poach a few of the area’s top players. Bayern Munich recently opened its American HQ in New York, and while it doesn’t yet involve an academy, it’s not a reach to see one coming down the road. Throw in Everton’s only official American developmental arm just up the road in Connecticut, and the area is already becoming a maeltrom of developmental activity"
"The teams of NJSA yes. They will be phased out unfortunately as an academy"How do you know this? I have not seen this written anywhere. All I have heard is a "backdoor agreement" with the USSDA, which makes me question how anyone knows this for a fact, unless they were in the room....
To 7:59pm poster re: Recruiting internationally...... yes for left overs who didn't make it into European teams (for most African and LA talent) and Latin American teams for LA talent...., but yes getting even 2nd tear talent to US for our youth to compete is still better then no new competition.To 8:15pm poster re: Boca article referring to their "financial muscle" if the journalist (if that's what we can call him), who wrote the article did just a little googling on this topic he would find out that Boca has been in financial dire straits for years, so I doubt they are flexing any muscle to develop anything in NY.Let's get real people.... there is no money in soccer in the US, and therefore we will most likely not see in the near future any meaningful shift in quality of development to get even close other soccer power houses.
I was looking for blog on Academy for the east coast/mid Atlantic but this seems to be just about NJ. Does anyone know where one for the mid Atlantic exists? Thanks
Academy soccer is a small community. You would be surprised about what people know and speak.Give it time.
NJSA 04 has desperately trying to rebrand themselves as Cedar Stars, yet little to no mention of NJSA by Cedar Stars. Sad, since Ceder Stars is less than 3 years old. Speaks volumes about NJSA organization.
and then how does this get rewarded? with a generous partner buyout and national team position...only in america.
NjSA are not trying to re-brand themselves as Cedar Stars. The two are separate organizations. Let's see what happens.
Another top 2015 player list. http://owhentheyanks.com/2014/10/25/class-of-2015-fall-update/Lots of RBNY and PDA on the "college" list. Also notable is a former PDA player: "#84- NJCSA play-maker Orestis Sousonis is generating buzz from European squads but is also hearing from Princeton, Cornell and Duke"
NJSA 04 *is* falling apart. Stay away!It has always been bad but it is getting much worse... Unqualified coaches, no facilities, disorganized, and with preferential treatment for some of the players. It helps to know Jay or Antonio. Also helps to spend extra money for private training with one of the coaches. There is no player development there. Overall, NJSA 04/NJCSA is at most one level higher than an average town soccer club. And dead last when it comes to value of the money you spent and the development the players get.I hope US Soccer takes action soon. After Matchfit's loss of their academy status, NJSA should be next.
Njsa is a. Low end Ponzi scheme. Anyone in the know stays away or leaves soon after they learn how poor it is. One of their coaches is now shilling indoor training at Atlantic club....what about those "state of art" facilities touted over a year ago.?
NJSA NEPAL U15 boys coach out. Guess the rumors of him being booted out of the club were half correct for his demeanor and actions. He gets to keep his younger teams.More typical mismanagement at this club. Probably could not find anymore cousins or family members to coach.
Atlantic club? Funny how they tout a '10 month season' with USDA required 4 sessions a week but then shut down for 3 months in the winter and 2 months in the summer. Giving only 2 or 3 sessions a week during the season and then charging extra for winter indoor training, Super Y and specialized training with the DOT. Do you expect anything different?
That coach at Njsa has no business having any team let alone younger players. What a joke
I guess they will allow him to abuse and belittle the younger players so they can "develop" thick skiin at least since nothinng else can be developed there.
I am not a NJCSA parent but why are you guys all bashing them every single day. Their are bad coaches in every academy and with the exception of CSA no other academy in New Jersey practices 4 days week as mandated by the USSDA. All academies are all the same the top 5 to 7 players succeed because of the skills they learned prior to entering an academy team and everybody else is being left behind. The top 5 players in each academy can most likely play on any other academy team. So the point is that every academy is lacking development and some other things, so to single out one academy is stupid. If you are not happy there cut your losses and leave.
I see that NJCSA U14 Academy team tied with PDA this past weekend; 1-1. Why all the bashing with NJCSA? I've only heard great things about the current coach for U14 academy and u13 and u15 NEPAL coach.
Why all the bashing. Because their kid could not make the starting lineup and does not play in many games and they wanted to quit, but because the club would not give any of their money back; now they won't quit. So now they feel obligated to be here bashing the team and their coaches. If NJCSA was winning and/or their kid was one of the starters we wouldn't be having this conversation, would we. Have they you ever wondered if their little Johnny is good enough to play academy? That is the questions they need to ask themselves!!!
If "little Johnny" makes an academy team but never plays in games, why does NJCSA think that is O.K.? His parents are paying the same money as everyone else on the team except for your superstars who pay 0. Did little Johnny make the team so he can pay for your superstar? NJCSA does this kind of stuff all the time, as well as lying about excellent facilities coming soon. Very unprofessional. But your right in saying ,"if you don't like it, leave." I left that place for good and so did a lot of other people.
I've only heard great things about the current coach for U14 academy and u13 and u15 NEPAL coach.Word is that he is actually not half bad. The only knock I have heard from some parents/coaches is that he tends overplay his bigger players rather than his smaller, more skilled player. Maybe because of his English background. They seem to rely on size rather than skill.
It's all about development. Ha! Ha! Ha!
If "little Johnny" makes an academy team but never plays in games, why does NJCSA think that is O.K.?I agree with this but would like to add on how they transact business with their players. There have been several situations over the past few years at NJSA 04 where players received adequate playing time, received very good evaluations (or so I have heard) and basically held their own. Not great players, but not bad either. Average Academy players you would say. But when the DOT/Coaches see a kid at try-outs who may look decent at the small 5v5 try-out they think 'new blood'. The kid is neither better, nor worse than the current player. The average kid is told to go play for the club team at $3,000 a year. When they turn down the club invite they are told that they have been 'carried' for the past year and is not academy quality. Why insult the player if he decides to leave? Must be all about the money and noting more.
What you guys a falling to realize is that it is not just happening on NJCSA. Look across the academy rosters in our area and you see that there are some players that have not even touched the field or have only played in a game or 2 out of 7/8 games already played this year.
when the academy team is free, that's acceptable. When you're paying $3,000.00+, not acceptable. What's worse is finding out you're paying for someone else who plays all the time. Something should be done about this because the stars of today aren't always the stars of tomorrow,
You have a choice, you don't have to play academy. Go back to your local club and start every game.But if you as an academy select a player then you should have enough confidence in him to put him on the field. If you are selecting him just to make money than that is not right either. But I fault the parents also for paying that money and not getting a service in return.
I cannot fathom spending 3-5 thousand dollars a year to play for NJSA. And to a previous post regarding the top 5 being able to start at other academy's is just not true. The top players on several NJSA teams did play for other academy's and sat on the bench. Which is how they ended up at NJSA in the first place. Not taking anything out on the players, they all play hard and are skilled. But they are not receiving the attention they deserve and pay for.
8:35 doesn't NJCSA have a player on their U18 team that is a member of the National U17 Team. So you are saying he cannot make it in any other academy. They also have 2 other players on that same team that is on the IMG top 150. Come on now!!!
I said several, not all. Pay attention!
Let's take the IMG 150 list with a grain of salt. There are players (2000) on that list that didn't make the top academies and ended up on the lower level academy teams, and even there they are on the bench. I'd say that list is about 75% right, at best.
OK. We get it. PDA and RedBulls are the best academies and the rest are just table fillers. Congrats!
Even at academy level there are different levels.
So here is the perception in the room is:Red Bulls- Oh they are just so great.PDA- Oh they are just so great, behind of course the all mighty Red Bulls.Match Fit- Oh they don’t count anymore, because they lost their academy status at U16 and U18.NJCSA- Oh they are just so bad, coaches are horrible and etc…CSA- Oh the new guys in town, who cares they have not done anything in academy yet.Come on people, we are lucky to we have 5 academies in our state and another 7 more nearby, and if any kid so chooses, he can try out for any of these academies. Go watch any academy games on the weekends and you are going to see good players in each of these academy teams. Not too shabby for our small state.
That just about sums up this entire Academy forum. I've watched Academy games on weekends and you do see good players on all teams, and yes there are teams that are better than others because they attract the more talented players; its just the way it is. My son plays for a Pre-Academy team for NJCSA and I am very happy with the players on his team as well as the coach. What's more important is that my son also likes the coach and he is enjoying his time with them.
Njsa now njcsa is all about staff getting a paycheck from the rich gringo parents. That is why they have failed. Red bull and PDA develop players and it is not about the money. That is why they have succeeded
Really? Give me some examples of the players they developed. They deserve credit for high levels of team success but they predominately develop college players, not pros.
And what is wrong with developing college players? The scholarship money isn't too bad nor are the schools some of the PDA players are being accepted to. The majority of these players will not play after college anyway. And if they're shooting for a contract with the MLS, well, let's just say the median salary there isn't much to live on. What is it like $75,000?. Lastly, if they're looking to go international pro, they should know by the time they are 15-17 anyway.The end line is this, Red Bulls gains most talent because of the reputation and the zero cost. PDA has built a great reputation through success which fuels interest. NJSA 04, unfortunately, has only lasted because they come up with 'big news' every couple of years. Tab Ramos affiliation, the new DOT from Red Bull and now new facilities/merger. The excitement lasts a few years and then digresses to this.
From this blog we are supposed to believe that NJCSA and PDA both start out with a stable of equally talented U9s that they progress through their youth, pre-Academy and finally Academy programs. Ultimately, NJCSA fails them because they do not develop this talent as good as PDA.Hogwash. PDA gets the better players. NJCSA cannot develop their lower level talent enough to beat the better players. Ultimately, PDA and RBA cannot develop their top tier players enough to become professionals.
7:31 I agree with you. When my son was at NJSA I felt like we were not being treated as well as the Latino players and were being taken advantage of. I guess they feel all gringos are rich and can pay for their chosen ones.
Wow, are we really going there now?
I didn't want to believe it either but after a while, there's no denying it. Probably why NJSA is having problems.
We should go there because it affects the sport and it's development in the US. Just some food for thought.....I had a rather unpleasant conversation with the NJSA 04 DOT regarding player development and the need for actually receiving player evaluations (as promised) - which we have not received for two years. I asked only to get an idea of where my son stood and what he needed to work on to improve his game. Very simple request as I was just looking for advice. He was playing 1/2 games so there was no indication he was either in the higher or lower tier. A couple of issues were discussed and I basically told him that it would have been informative if he either told the player or me what needed to be worked on if these couple of items were holding him back. He basically became highly insulted and told me that I should have approached HIM for the evaluation rather than waiting for it.....that he had too much work to do to worry about that. Being that I have always been under the impression, at the academy level especially, to allow the coach do his work and believe my son was in good hands, I was a bit taken aback. I was told that he (the DOT) is not a teacher, nor a coach - only here to train players. He was greatly insulted that I would 'confront' him regarding the development of my son because he 'created the Red Bull Program and maybe I shouldn't be here at NJSA'. To further, and I quote, 'That YOU PEOPLE here in this country think that we can solve all your problems....I have to deal with this all the time since the Red Bulls pushed me to the side and I have to come HERE to do this....' I asked him what problems he was talking about and he said - 'All you people come to academies to get scholarships and if you are thinking of leaving, don't think you will get one anywhere else.'! I thanked him for his time and told him that my son was going to college primarily for an education, and if he made a team great, if not, that's ok as well. As I walked away all I heard was screaming in spanish at my back.Maybe I caught him on a bad day, who knows....It was the first time I had even spoken to the man in 2 years...and all I did was ask a question......but it shows the type of attitude and disregard which exists.
Sorry you had a bad experience but you wouldn't have gotten that far in the conversation with a u10 or u11 coach at PDA and forget about approaching the academy coaches. It does create A LOT of uncertainty or anxiety for parents which does trickle down to the kids. And a player who loses his confidence and edge will have difficulty competing. So what does that have to with race again? There have been a diverse number of players who have succeeded at that program. Is it a class issue? Perhaps- even the USDA has acknowledged that and has tried to eliminate (reduce) the fees at the academy levels.
12:53...You are right on about DOC at NJSA. You might as well move your son now. You are now on the blacklist. He will begin to get less and less time then in the Spring be dropped from the roster on occasion. At the end of the season -- when your 3K payment has expired -- he will then be dropped from team and told to go to club team with some half baked reason on why he is not up to snuff. Mind you, there was nothing ever negative said about before you rasied your questions, in fact it was probly all good. You are not the first and will not be the last. That is simply how they operate, no different from many other poorly run business organizations Question anything, seek information, don't play -- or really pay -- for Super Y in summer, question abusive behavior of coach, you are blacklisted for fear you will infect the others parents and truth will be know. They think they are fooling us, that are child is suddenly not good enough, that we are all rubes when it comes to soccer. What do they think we are fools, because they have an accent and we don't then we know nothing about soccer or how the world turns. It is no secret, they want the passive and lambs to fund their coffers so they can collect a paycheck. This is no great secret or rocket science. They will continue to feed off the naïve or as ye unknowledgeable about academy soccer. They will continue to scrape along the bottom of the academy world at best, at worst they will simply be forced out.Consider this a blessing as you can move your son to a better academy.
That's terrible behavior from a "professional" academy. They need to have open communication with families and tell them the truth. Any academy who behaves that way should lose academy status.
So what does that have to with race again?When someone comes back with 'you people in this country' it shows that race/nationality or whatever you want to call it is an issue in the background. I have personally never saw nor experienced race issues at NJSA but it seems others have and this comment may show that there is something there for certain coaches over there.
No, that's not what that means in a soccer context. "People" in this country have tended to want the college scholarship as the ultimate goal instead of becoming professional, making first team, making national teams, etc. It's not a racial thing - it's the view for pretty much the rest of the world.
Every person deserves equal treatment regardless of their plans for the future. We're all paying customers.
So it's not about race but your $$$. Again, check around the other academies and ask the parents what goes on there. Trust me, its not just your kid so don't take it personally. Every player will not get equal treatment which would be as absurd as calling for equal minutes. Fair treatment is all you should expect. Your son is on one of the USDA academies teams and not on one of club teams, right?
He is but I don't understand your argument at all. Makes no sense to me. What do you consider fair treatment? Are there different rules for different people?
Don't know what the motivation is for the you people comment is but whether it be for a scholarship in the US or national team exposure in a foreign country, the issue is that these players have goals to become better players. Should these ultimate goals be viewed differently because of where you come from or because you have money? He (the DOC)seems very bitter at his ousting from RB. He should feel privledged that he's earning a paycheck doing something he supposedly loves. Perhaps he is the one that shouldn't be at a DA if he feels developing is not his responsibility.
The dedicated player is home the night before getting a good nights sleep and counting down minutes to the game the next day. The other player is at a party or out with friends or on XBOX till 3 in the morn. Academy soccer is for the serious. The ones that dream of becoming pro. Read about the USSDA goals on the website. It should be filled with those who view just that. You may obtain a college soccer scholarship with EDP teams. Ask yourself where was my son the night before his game this weekend? Are you at the right place or was his playing time conducive to the party he was at the night before? I may be far off but i doubt it. I know my son was in bed by 10:30. I would like my son playing on a team with boys who dream of being pro and will try their hardest to get there whether i am at PDA, NJSA, or Red Bulls. Sometimes it is not about the coach, or doc, money,or favoritism but it is about your child and how much he values game day, his team, and performance. Do you see him training on his own in the backyard on his days off from training? After you answer these questions, then ask yourself does he deserve to get any playing time at all for such a high level of soccer?
Anyone with experience or opinion of NJ Wildcats? Humbly speaking, my daughter is 8 with good skills and talent and interested in taking her game to a higher level. I'm not a fan of parent coaching where the main qualifications are a heartbeat, and CPR training so the preference is for professional coaching and training. Living in Monmouth County, PDA North and PDA Shore are options but a bit far to travel (45 - 60 mins).
you're asking the wrong group. This is boys academy soccer. I heard NJ Wildcats is a good club for girls though.
@2:16 NJ Wildcats is much better at the older ages for girls. Wouldn't waste your time (and money) until at least U11 or U12.
I would like my son playing on a team with boys who dream of being pro and will try their hardest to get there whether i am at PDA, NJSA, or Red Bulls. For certain! But you do have to admit that the coach's moral does have a great deal of influence on especially the younger player. And, at times, the older.
100% agree. The coach has a huge influence on a young person who believes that the coach is always right. The aim should be developing well rounded people, not just excellent players.
Another dismissal weekend for NCJCSA. When will they clean house, when there are no players left there?
Really?NJCSA U-17/18 3 Continental FC DELCO U-17/18 0.NJCSA U-15/16 2 Continental FC DELCO U-15/16 1
Beating bottom dwellers is not something to crow about
Seems like it was more of a dismal day for the Continental FC DELCO.
As long as there are the PA Classics, FC Delcos and Albertsons, NJSA will be able to win at least 4 or 5 games a year.That's enough for me to want to spend money over there!
To anyone that thinks politics doesn't exist in the academy setting, just look at PDA. Pull up the '00 U14 academy team page and notice that only two players have accomplishments put in their bio's. That isn't put in by the players, rather by the club. Looks like they only have interest in developing 2 players rather than a team of players. Recognition comes from a club promoting the player as much, if not more, then the performance on the field. Opportunities are given to a select few but not others. Maybe NJSA isn't that bad?
Don't know how PDA does it but at NJSA 04 we have to update our own bios as well as anything on GotSoccer. They never update for players. At least for our team.
Any word on those NJCSA new facilities. We were told in Fall 2013 they would ready for Spring '14. Have heard nothing as to where or when they? Any info. Sick of plying on borrowed worst fields from town in the dark. Where is out money going?
Yes, as a parent of an NJCSA player, I would also like to know about the new facilities.
There are none. If there were going to be any don't tough think they would have at least said where or when. Don't be naive
And even if the facilities are world cup standard and are ready tomorrow, you really think the local program will be much different than it is today? Worrying about the facilities is still missing the point. New facilities will be for national and regional level hosting to attract bigger market and exposure for the brand, not necessarily to support a local program. Think about it...
There are none and aren't going to be anyone.simply a ploy to keep players there and parents paying
Why are there two academies in NJ with only one academy team (cedar stars and matchfit?) Aren't all academies required to have three academy teams?
Cedar Stars will have 3 academy teams in a few years. They're a young club. Not sure about Matchfit.
The reason why Match Fit and Cedar Stars only have one team is because Match Fit lost their license/status to the U16s and U18s and Cedar Stars is because they are a new academy. The USSDA has decided that the U14s are too young to be traveling far on a weekly basis so they have decided to allow some other academies to join that age group across the country to minimize the travel. Academies with U14 teams only, Cedar Stars, Lehigh Valley, World Class, Prince William, Albion SC, Diablo FC and etc...
PDA opened up a can of woop-ass on NJSA 99's. 6-0.Now tell me again how all academies are the same after RB and Philly Union?
NJSA academy teams would loose to half the club teams in the state, that is a fact. The poor coaching and organization is the root of all its shortcomings
To 7:50 - What are you, bragging about 13/14 year old soccer results from one game? - If your perspective is that limited in time so be it - Of course all academies are not the same, But what happened at the older teams games? Nov 15 - U17/18's 1-1Nov 15 - U15/16's 0-0Schedule/Standings - http://ussda.demosphere.com/teams/68797515/47187427-68797603/TEAM.htmlBoth clubs have played very tough schedules facing 4 or 5 MLS academies during the fall. OverallPDA 18's have 6 wins, NJCSA has 4PDA 16's have 4 wins, NJSCA has 4Is PDA a better run club?, probably, but shouldn't we be happy to have very high level competition in our area?, recognizing that there are some very talented players who we will see in college or beyond all coming from here? kids on either club are getting good games and good training with players of similar skill and determination. The financing of the academy system still needs work - it is only 7 years old. It will be modified further - maybe either move to a 2 tier system - MLS division and a division with everyone else, or non-MLS clubs will partner with pro-clubs from elsewhere - ( a la Everton/WestChester, Chelsea/matchfit and others) - US Soccer is likely to continue to explore improvements - see the current NYT article - http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/sports/soccer/us-soccer-plans-review-of-youth-programs-to-try-to-close-gap-with-europe.html?_r=0So really? get engaged, but pointing to one score line in one game to say 'my club is great and yours sucks' seems a but parochial
Let us look at the entire story shall we? You conveniently left out ties and GF/GA17PDA 3rd Place - in playoffs6-2-4 22pts 26GF 16GANJSA 7th Place4-6-2 14pts 17GF 22GA 15PDA 4th Place4-1-7 19pts 19GF 6GANJSA 8th Place4-6-1 13Pts 8GF 19GA13PDA 7-2-3 35GF 15GANJSA3-7-2 13GF 19GA'99PDA 6-1-1 First Place23GF 6 GANJSA 2-5-2 11th Place10GF 22GAand 2 wins and 5GF against PA ClassicsI agree it would be nice to have high level competition and talented players take the next step. But at NJSA, they are doing their talented players a disservice. Just read some of the posts on this board if you believe they are helping the overall academy system with their methodology towards training and preparing players for the next level.
Anyone who thinks there is good soccer being played in the area needs to get out of the area a little more. Maybe getting better, but not really close to being good. The US remains behind the world for many reasons, the level of coaching at the Academy level is definitely one of them.
Oh no, here comes those unsatisfied NJCSA or ex-NJCSA parents again. Do you really think you are preventing anyone from going there with all your stupid comments. LMAO!!!
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