Wednesday, October 2, 2013

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Anonymous said...

2:10pm
Example of a parent who is clueless about soccer.
Futsal matters. Ask some of the greatest pro players
Out there, where did they learn their skills?
On a futsall court. If you can play in tight spaces on a
A futsul court , when you play on full side field your kiid
Will be comfortable on the ball.

If you don't get that.......Go back to the Baseball field!

Anonymous said...

Futsal does not matter. You can learn to work in tight spaces and under pressure by playing good teams on a full size field. wins on a futsal court doesnt mean a thing. It is a different game!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Win on a futsal court means that you are good at futsal. It is an official soccer version indoor . They even play world cup.

Anonymous said...

True - none of the moves are at all similar :)

Anonymous said...

Foot skills are great and fun to watch.

But they don't help you much if everyone on the big field is 6 inches taller and twice as fast. And has at least some skills.

Part of the problem with some academy brats.

Anonymous said...

"Foot skills are great and fun to watch.

But they don't help you much if everyone on the big field is 6 inches taller and twice as fast. And has at least some skills.

Part of the problem with some academy brats."

Unless of course your just as big and fast and have tremendous foot skills.


Welcome to the highest level of soccer. Where just being big and fast with "some skill" just won't cut it.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I have not seen that level of soccer with any of these so called top teams in this age group in NJ.

That level of soccer only exists in your mind.

Back in the real world, it is still a mix of high level and rec level on the same teams.


Anonymous said...

not rec

town travel

Anonymous said...

ok something lower than "the highest level".

Maybe I am just being too tough on girls soccer.

Anonymous said...

You should get out more.. perhaps a trip to some of the top showcases in the country.

Speaking of Showcases.. did you happen to catch the big girls at toms river with some skill of course(ranked #1 in the country) chase a tiny Japanese
team around the field.

You should watch the video-perhaps it might change your mind about the big fast girl. They were no match for the small fast girl with incredible skill.

let me know, I can provide the link

Anonymous said...

not any of the other posters but thought i would jump in...I did see the japan vs TRFC game, but there are some flaws...yes TRFC may have been ranked #1, but by who..gotsoccer? We all know the flaws in that system...also this was the Disney showcase that included no ECNL teams...not just PDA, but San Deigo Surf, any of the texas or florida teams that are also highly ranked...I believe there you will find some Big girls with a lot of skill...not just big girls with some skill.

Anonymous said...

Were the Japanese kids fast?

Well, there ya go.

I think the negative post on the small, "skilled" academy players was aimd at thiose with neither size nor elite speed.

The "dancers" of the sport, I'll call them.

I will say this - speed sometimes comes later as a body matures. As does size. Pay attention to family history for the latter.

Anonymous said...

My comments are not about "big vs small".

Don't always have to be big, but do need athleticism in some form. I do know that small,slow and weak with great foot skills only gets you so far.







Anonymous said...

11:22

yes, that is what I meant.

Not convinced that speed comes later very often. But size certainly can.

Anonymous said...

Ok so how do you rank them? Obviously fast and skilled is at the top - big or small. What would you prefer next? Slow, but big and skilled or fast and big but not so skilled or what?

Anonymous said...

Depends on the spot. Clogging up passing lanes or running interference to prevent a run to the net both need speed and size. Getting to an open space to receive a pass and either shoot or two touch it ahead is a skill thing that negates speed - size could help a header in the net for sure.

Anonymous said...

PROJECTABLE

That is what you want

Anonymous said...

To me, there is no obvious answer to that. There are other factors that come into play.

You can come up with all the rules you want, and there are always players that defy them and are excellent even when they shouldn't be.

In general, I think a really good team has speed and skill across the board, and a mix of size to handle different matchups.

Anonymous said...

Haven't heard anyone mention the tactical side. That counts too you know. Doesn't matter how skilled or athletic you are if you don't know what to do with the ball when it's on your foot. I'll take the player who is comfortable on the ball and can keep possession and make the correct pass any day.
Too many turnovers in this sport for my liking and not enough coaches holding players accountable for kicking the ball out of bounds or passing it to the other team.

Anonymous said...

The Japanese U17s brought U13, U14, U15 and U16 players as they do every year. Their starting center-back was a true U14 playing our #1 U17s in the Nation.

They have won the top U17 bracket every year they have come to Disney.

We are lightyears away when talking about top quality players.

Anonymous said...

Really?

Was this a Japanese U17 national team, of sorts?

Or do they have hundreds, thousands of club teams across Japan - and this was just an average group?

Anonymous said...

Focusing way too much on how fast or big a player is, tech ability etc. Over 90/95% of the time a player does not even touch the ball in a game so its what they do WITHOUT the ball that really matters---something the Japanese players probably learn at a young age.

Anonymous said...

Funny how we're light years away but the uswnt is the best women's team in the world. What happens over the next few years to cause such a dramatic shift?

Anonymous said...

Wow - a lot of armchair quarterbacking here. @2:15pm has it 100% right.

Japan beat the USWNT in the 2011 World Cup, where they were considered the underdog given the USWNT's athleticism, size, and speed. Japan's average height was 5'4", the USWNT 5'7" (Abby Wambach clicks in at 5'11").

The USWNT got beat by a more skilled team. Better on the ball, better off the ball.

I had the opportunity to eat lunch with Christie Rampone, she told me that even the USWNT was amazed at the training at the Japanese youth level. They were shown kids practicing and were told that the kids play without goals until the U13 level (these are her words, not mine).

Not sure that would fly here, but at the U13 level - at least in NJ - I'd say 98% of the teams are "kick and run". Nothing wrong with that per se, it's a tactic, and it can work well if you have a team built that way.

However, if your talent pool is short, or not ultra fast, or not ultra physical, then a more possession oriented game can even things out a bit.

I wonder if Lionel Messi would have been given a "shot" if he grew up in the US. Personally, I doubt it as he would be trained in a such a way that it wouldn't optimize his talents or ability.

Anonymous said...

The 4 S 's of soccer a blend of:
Size
Skill
Speed
& of course most important
Smarts.
Are any 2 players identical- look across the different leagues in the world- "teams" are composed of a variety of players. What variables can you alter what is genetic

Anonymous said...

Japan wasnt better at the WC. Not like you describe. Come on - yous aw the game.

They won the game, yes. That's sports. And makes for a better overall division (who wants it where one team wins every time?)

Bring on the games in Canada.

Anonymous said...

Make it 5
Strength

Anonymous said...

Strength

Also known as GUTS, TOIUGHNESS

Anonymous said...

I have been around the game my while life. I had the p&i ledge of playing D1 ball and my brother played professional. All this talk about PDA being the all mighty is ridiculous. They are a very good academy, no doubt. Let me just say this I have helped out in a number of tournaments all of the tri state area and I have seen splash play many of times. They are a talented group of girls!! However, I have all seen GFA play a bunch of times. Here's what I will say the big difference is... Splash has been playing together a lot longer, you can tell, but as far as talent goes GFAs girls are right there with them. For a team that's only been around and playing together for 1 year they are very impressive. I'm not talking about record just the way they play. If that teams stay together they will be one of the top teams in the state. I'm sure splash will to... Just my opinion...

Anonymous said...

Obvious you are tied somehow to IGFA. Couldn't have seen them much and knew their history. Just play the games and we will all believe if you walk the walk. Just stop talking the talk for now, you come across poorly.

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Anonymous said...

Let's not start again please. Let's leave these two teams alone . Any haters for some other team? Kind of bore with the same.

Anonymous said...

So if IGFA beat Splash 6-1... And they beat Holmdel NJX 7-2 in EDP... Holmdel v Splash should be a pretty close game right?

LOL

Also... IGFA lost to Freehold 2-1 in the fall... Are Freehold better than Splash?

Point made. IGFA should quiet down very quickly. Once the merger with TSF happens and you start charging money for bad training... It will all go downhill very quickly.

Anonymous said...

7,38 Good morning. Your comments make no sense. The D1 player just had an opinion about the way they play. Your comparison is stupid. PDA has history and proved themselves in a long period of time, IGFA is a team of good technical players that work hard and getting better. That's all. I do not know why you hate IGFA so much to make such comments. You taking a game here and there to make comparison. But that is wrong as I can do the same with ANY team out there. As for the last comment again you should know things before you talk but apparently either you are entirely a stupid person or when you see IGFA name you go mad and start writing crazy shit.
Guys this is a blog where we can talk about quality of players and teams. Comments like this are so ridicoulous. And please do not start again about IGFA having one u12 playing up. That is stupid too. Should we check in every team and nobody is using a player that is grade appropriate to play up if she is good? What is the problem? One player doesn't make a good team. A good team makes players better and better players stronger. Now stop the BS

Anonymous said...

All of these teams and those that are successful and silent will be playing in the State Cup Tournament. Everybody should just shut up until that decides who is the best as of right now. There can be only one winner. Maybe use the time to come up with excuses better than bad refs or some other lame reason why you don't win.

Anonymous said...

I agree... It was a comparison. D1 guy was just saying was just giving his opinion. Hey GFA hater, from what I understand Splash lost to MFC 2-1.. That's pretty pathetic don't you think. MFC is one of the worst... So let's not go there. You need to get a grip. Bottom line is, GFA is a very good, deep team. They have a great bench as well. Will they stay this good, who knows and who cares but anyone that denies the fact that for now, they are real, is clueless. No one ever said they were better then PDA.. Get a life buddy...

Anonymous said...

Agreed 100% but use the same comment in everything occasion Please. What happened when one team win? Haters will come up with old games standing, bad comments towards players and coaches , personal attacks, excuses by other teams. Do you think that PDA of IGFA or any other team parents are really here writing this non sense comments?No they are not.
Let's wait and see how everything goes one team will win and the other will lose . I wish it was like that in all our comments instead of dealing with stupidity.

Anonymous said...

IGA is very shortsighted anyway. That one extra special player will undoubtedly be offered a free spot on one of the ECNL teams in a couple years - this age or on age for her. She'd be foolish not to go and IGA is a VERY different team without her help.

Anonymous said...

If you have a player that stands out from the rest then yes this player should be with the same skillful players on a team with a collection of skillful players. Same would go for their other player that is also playing up and is very skillful. These players should be playing at the highest level but on age.

Anonymous said...

The u13 GFA team has a lot of skill players not just one or two. All players are age appropriate and one girl plays up but is grade appropriate. Should we check every team out there and see if there is any player playing up? Come on leave GFA alone . They have a long way to go and need to keep working like they are doing. Time will tell and maybe they disappear like somebody is wishing but get the right infos. Crush tsunami was only one player. Before that WC. Match fit two players. It is the same for everybody but the way u talk it seems that all it is in GFA is one player.u couldn't be more wrong. Now let them work and focus on some other team that u might hate

Anonymous said...

For the record the player you speak of who is grade appropriate isn't even the best player on the U-13 team & if you saw them play you would know that. Parent can cone on here all day long to promote their daughter but even they know it's true! Other girl played for Cranford then NJSA & is by far the most skilled player they currently have.

Anonymous said...

Who cares. Keep your opinions about players to yourself. Remember one thing. For how good you think a player is there is someone out there better.

Anonymous said...

Well said. They Need to get a bigger perspective

Anonymous said...

"There can be only one winner*

Sir, I don't believe you have a healthy definition of winning

Anonymous said...

Anyone know if the nj indoor state cup list came out?

Anonymous said...

LMAO. Indoor state cup.
Does anyone have a guess when Manhattan will post final flights is a better question.

Anonymous said...

I think Manhattan uses this blog to determine the flights.

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Anonymous said...

Why so much interested about the girls from igfa? I thought that all the comments were about how bad the team is and how good was PDA and all the others above them. What about number 22 in PDA now that is a good player and the girl that plays in the back for brick fury is really good . I believe she is the daughter of one of the coach. Solid player.
The girl that just went to PDA from crush another good player. The coach daughter of match fit also good player.
There are many, in many good teams. All those teams shouldn't worry about IGFA , they are much better and more history and more and more and more.

Anonymous said...

Oh yes the coach knows all the talent in new jersey. Lol of course. Go PDA , always number one!

Anonymous said...

When the season starts you will see wildcats/ freehold/ and copa with much stronger teams mark my word these three teams will come out strong.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats & Freehold could merge & still wouldn't be a top team so get real! Same top teams will remain same top teams unless they lose key players or coaches leave. Same top 6 in NJ have been the same for years. The order may change but not the teams.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats team have been together for long time and they might add some players , could really be one strong team. You guys should check it out. Instead of new wannabes you should look into teams with traditions and well established. If you look to Ye next level for your daughter the teams I mentioned above could be a good choice

Anonymous said...

I'm a MFA parent. MFA did beat PDA earlier this season and since then did terrible. So it doesn't matter. Anybody can be beaten. But what is interesting to me is that the goalkeeper that played for MFA then is also the goalkeeper for IGFA now....lol

Anonymous said...

Losers....all of you...living through your kids...its a shame...class trophies.. championships... true champs are all those that try...the scum float on this blog.. get a life

Anonymous said...

If you are MFA parent feel sorry for you. Team is really poor quality. Probably the goalie left out of misery for what was in front of her lol .

Anonymous said...

That was the smartest thing that IGFA goalie could of done. MFA is awful!! Believe me the goalie didn't have much to do with that. They have no offense or midfield..my friends daughter plays for them and he is very frustrated... I would love to see MFA play Splash now.. My guess 7-0 Splash...

Anonymous said...

Sounds like both ECNL teams have some things to figure out before next year.

Question is, are there enough top level players with parents that can afford the price tag, AND are willing to have that kind of commitment?

Pay to play may be the death of this new system.

Anonymous said...

Actually goalie was main reason for many mishap goals. MF picked up many players this winter including a very solid goalie. This is reason why old goalie left. was getting replaced. Players added a solid players. PDA Splash will not beat MF 7-0 I can guarantee this

Anonymous said...

GFA defender making all these posts, sounds to be the coach.

Anonymous said...

Or someone who drank a lot of the kool aid. They are a good team and getting better, but need to chill out. They haven't won enough against tough competition in real games yet to spout off so much - maybe someday, but not yet. Be silent until you win (or at least get to finals) in state cup and / or region.

Anonymous said...

Parents are silent , haters and idiots are the one talking.

Anonymous said...

Maybe these parents are right and we should be ready for NJ Wildcats vs IGFA in the cup finals . . . . . . . Sorry - couldn't keep from taking a laugh break for a minute.

Sad thing is, some of them think it could happen.

Anonymous said...

State cup only for
Americans
PDA
Match fit
Brick
Crush
Nj force

The others do not count

Anonymous said...

looks like everyone is here a soccer almighty. Simply - everyone has a chance. And don't underestimate anyone. Just look what happen to the U.S. national team (women) in July 2011. All this after the nation was devastated (tsunami). So, please be "nice" and let the soccer ball do the "talk".

Anonymous said...

Replace Match Fit with SJEB which are ranked #1 in nation & STA to that list.

Anonymous said...

And drop Brick, Crush, and Force

Anonymous said...

Not one of those teams will win state cup...out with the old in with the new... good teams though...

Anonymous said...

PDA parents is still looking for folks to stroke their ego...drink the cool aide.....emphasis on parents not players...

Anonymous said...

Goals win games but defense wins championships... you can have all the skilled players you want up front...defense makes the biggest difference..a keeper and and a string four will shut down any team..ask Milan and Splash...

Anonymous said...

You can't win if you don't score.
If you cannot keep possession and control the midfield your defense will eventually be broken.
Soccer is a team effort.

Anonymous said...

Team effort is absolutely right...the emphasis is measuring the strength on defense..all facets of the game are important..defense wins championships... you can still win or tie with a solid defense...defenders that have the ability to shut down a team will give their offense a plethora of scoring options..containment leads to more options for your mid filed and strikers...without defense your midfielder is overworked and your strikers are left standing

Anonymous said...

To the non educated MFA parent. To say that that goalie is why your team did so poorly is a joke. I'm a splash parent and yes you beat us. Every dog has it's day... Take a look at your record for the rest of the year. How many goals did you guys score? I'm not sure why that goalie left but there's no doubt that she is on a better team. There are 10 players on the field and to blame your terrible season on one player is pathetic. People talk about drinking the look aide... MFA parents are the ones drinking it. I would live to see that teams record over the past 30 games they have played. I bet you they haven't won more then 10... And you have played very bottom of the barrel teams...
Get a grip...

Anonymous said...

you will see MFA with the new girls that just came in including the new goalie . we are a good team and if you do not hide around we might play splash again ...and then you'll see what happen

Anonymous said...

I'd like to second that motion. More often than not, the goalie is the reason for the win and never solely the reason for the loss. My daughter is a defender and we have seen blatant mistakes by the goalie on our team lead to goals and heartbreaking losses, but we stand by her because there are so many factors leading up to that - like why was the ball so close in the first place? Maybe a turnover in the midfield or miscommunication on defense let them bet the chance. Goalie is a thankless position. The defense and goalie (and the entire team) win and lose together. Like I said earlier, if you can't keep possession, the defense eventually gets broken. I say MF has a possession problem, not a goalie problem.

Anonymous said...

Reason why top ten teams are top ten is because they are playing well as a unit...skilled goalkeepers are much better when the whole team is solid and outstanding when the defense is strong ...MFA lost a keeper and now that keeper is much better off..with a stronger team and specialized training she will incrementally improve over time...because the team is also improving over time...the training plays a big part...intrinsicotivation heightens with knowing that these around you are as hungry and determined to challenge themselves at training with purpose and effective effort...you give a child the attention and room for growth they will grow hence why top ten teams are where they are...climate and culture fosters growth...children that are undervalued will thwart their growth ...children who are taught and developed appropriately will reach a limit then they will have to decide if they cab continue or not....that's usually by the end of highschool until then when they are all given the right training and atmosphere for developing they will play to the best of their ability whether at PDA...MFA...STA...IGFA..etc..

Anonymous said...

TOP level of play with this age group in NJ are the following:

In order

Note: teams may have different styles but as a whole, girls seem to know how to play the game

1.PDA
2.Americans
3. SJEB
4. STA
5 Crush
6. Force
7. IGFA or Matchfit
9. Hornets.
10-. TSF

This is not about style of play or who is a better possession team but more about which teams have the depth and have been taught how to play the game on THE BIG FIELD.

Each team has players that could certainly play for any other team, so it's not about one team having the best players.

IT'S SIMPLY ABOUT WHAT THE COACH HAS DONE WITH THE SYSTEM THEY HAVE DECIDED TO PLAY.

1-4 have proven it on the field and in tournaments.

5-8 are in the same box.

9&10 are up and coming and they may move up considerably depending on the SKILLS OF THE COACH AND PLAYERS COMING INTO THE PROGRAM.

GFA is hungry and they work hard so in next couple of years, if team stays together,( Big IF) They will certainly be a top contender.

Teams like Force and Crush seem to be headed in the opposite direction.

I heavily discount low level tournament play as these teams are in it for the points.










Anonymous said...

Just my opinion, but I think there is a very thin line IGA is flirting with that is between showing intense commitment and pushing too far causing injuries from overworking growing bodies.

Anonymous said...

How is Force going in the wrong direction? What ever happened to their previous coach?

Anonymous said...

The top ten teams in NJ will be facing each other over the next three years...as one post pointed out it all depends if they stay together...and remain healthy... they will also have to prove to the regional teams that they can compete with them as well...low level tournament play is an detrimental...most of these tournaments should be left for mosa..northern counties mnjysa and cjysa...I think that if certain premier teams enter they should not be allowed to play or earn points because as noted earlier the competition is very weak...false points that fluff a par 500 club should be checked... premier teams for premier tournaments only

Anonymous said...

MFA had injuries with some key players. We beat PDA once and if all our girls are healthy we'll beat them again. We're going to have a much better team then the one that played them earlier this season. My prediction is by at least two goals. I'm thinking 4-2 or 3-1. Write it dowm!

Anonymous said...

Saw MF twice this Fall. No doubt MF needs to improve. Will be interesting if the coach is going to develop or replace and at what ratio. MF has some solid players but based upon what I saw, I would say some of them were completely miscast and I saw a few girls that I knew as defensive players struggling up top. Also didn't understand MF's formation given their personnel. Made no sense to me. They had a few girls with some real speed - but not a lot of speed in the back. I walked away confused as to what the coach was trying to do. Didn't love what I saw, but it is the beginning of ECNL for them so I imagine it will change.

Anonymous said...

LOL to TSF being top 10. They are no where near PDA South, Real Galaxy, Holmdel and FC Copa.

Top proven teams :

SJEB
Force Crush
PDA Splash
Americans

Up and coming teams :

PDA Hornets
FC Copa Roma
IGFA

Teams on Decline :

Crush Storm
Brick
Freehold

Decent teams that can compete :

Real Galaxy
Holmdel NJX Crew
TRIC
PDA Madrid

In any order... The teams above no matter what their current situation... Are the top 14 teams in NJ at this age.

Anonymous said...

You left out STA.

Not sure about Force in the top tier.

Anonymous said...

I have seen a few MF games this past fall. One of the games I seen, I was very impressed with the game MF played. Only to find out after the game, MF utilized numerous U12 Falcons girls this game. I walked away impressed with those younger players. However I did hear this team was hit very hard with injuries, added many new players. Lets see how they do this spring

Anonymous said...

For is solid team but no where in top team space. They play in a lot of low level tournaments to play got soccer game. StA plays a combo of high and lower level. Sta plays tougher comp. force is a team that is solid. Brick team and crush team are above average nj teams that have lost their premier status

Anonymous said...

For is solid team but no where in top team space. They play in a lot of low level tournaments to play got soccer game. StA plays a combo of high and lower level. Sta plays tougher comp. force is a team that is solid. Brick team and crush team are above average nj teams that have lost their premier status

Anonymous said...

Meant force

Anonymous said...

I would agree add STA and if Madrid keeps playing NPL, they will improve rapidly, but well below the others. Actually all those listed as declining and decent are well below the others and not much better than any other low level edp teams so they probably shouldn't be called out as special at all. Kind of surprised wildcats didn't object already.
The up and coming you list are also very shaky as up and coming - could be good, but could be poor depending on the week. Quite a ways to go.

Anonymous said...

I do not know if fc copa Roma is up and coming yet even if they improve. I would
Put them in the decent group. Agree on sta to be included but in the decline group as I think they lost a little of their quality, still good team.

Anonymous said...

Galaxy shouldn't even be listed. They barely compete with mid level JAGS teams.

Anonymous said...

ADMIN Delete posts on U12 board, not able to post, met maximum of 5000 posts

Anonymous said...

" Splash has won every year they were in NJYS & US Club State Cup except U-11 US Club when they lost in the qtrs."

Who was it that beat them?

Anonymous said...

Let's be honest, allowing teams such as PDA in the State Cup is a farce anyway. It's like putting one of the NFL Pro Bowl teams against a regular team. There should be a State Cup for "Academy" teams and one for club teams.

Anonymous said...

Maybe we could give out "participation trophies" to all the girls to make them feel good. Get real. Win or go home.

Anonymous said...

That's exactly what's wrong with America anymore. I can't compete with that so make it easier - lower the test standards - pay me more for doing less - everybody must be equals. Communist. No handouts here.

Challenge yourself to beat the best. Improve to compete better. If you're not the best, own it.

Anonymous said...

In the USYS state cup, there are two different levels to enter.

In the US Club state cup, there is not. In most other states besides NJ, US Club is lucky to get enough entries to even have a tournament. So that is probably why they are not set up with two different levels of play.

It seems there is a power struggle between US Club and USYS. ECNL and NPL are part of US Club. Most if not all ECNL teams do not play the USYS National Championship Series, they have their own national championships. And you also see the decline of ODP (USYS) and the rise of ID2 program (US Club).



Anonymous said...

10:13 you are a"little " full of yourself. relax Splash is a good team, but to say that all games will be easy for them in the State cup is too much. towards the end of the state cup we will see who they will be facing

Anonymous said...

LOL! You people are pathetic. An All-Star team with players from the entire tri-state area cannot call yourselves the best when being compared to teams (and losing to) that have girls from only one or two towns. You people are way to full of yourselves for no reason at all. BTW, you still didn't answer the above posters question as to what team beat you in the State Cup quarterfinals. Too painful to bring up? Too embarrassed? What was the excuse that day??

Anonymous said...

As a matter of fact, considering the talent pool you have to draw from, and the amount of money that goes into that program from disillusioned parents such as yourself...the team really isn't all that good. A team such as this should NEVER lose to a town team...especially to a town team that is always reported to be "on the decline" or "folding" any time now. :-)

Anonymous said...

Not from Splash, but really? Who beat them two years ago? Meaningless. Let's see who wins this year. Manhattan good be early matchup if they get through outsiders and state cup could be a rematch.

Anonymous said...

I don't think STA will hang and MF doesn't stand a chance so I'm guessing Americans, Force Crush, SJEB and Splash as finalists. Depends on the brackets of course, but they should be the final four. I could see barons or force choking early though.
If I remember correctly, us club seeds the brackets right?

Anonymous said...

US Club does in fact offer 2 levels, a Super Group and a Premier Group at U13 and U14.

Lets see who ducks the big competition by playing in the lower bracket...

Anonymous said...

10:40
10:46

They are not an all-star team. Every one of the top teams has at least a couple of players who could start for them.

They draw from the same pool of players that everyone else who is not a town team draws from. There are many who could play there but choose not to.

Problem is, they are still the best you got!

Anonymous said...

Does STA have a new coach? Did they lose any players?

Anonymous said...

They are ABSOLUTELY an all-star team...don't kid yourself.

Anonymous said...

I think you are missing the point, in all the years they have played that have won it EVERYTIME except once which should tell you who should be favored again except this time they won't be seeded since they weren't in it last year. Last 2 years champions SJEB & STA. PDA, Americans & SJEB are the top 3 favorites with STA, Force etc below them with the chance to be picked off early.

Anonymous said...

Missing the point how?? They are an All-Star team, and SHOULD win it EVERY time. You're the one missing the point.

Anonymous said...

So what's the problem?
If they win it then good for them and let's all support them against non NJ teams to promote our state soccer programs.
If they don't win it then good for the team that does win it - again we should all support our locals as they go outside the state.
Why is it so bad for you if they are that good? Is it simple jealousy? Is your daughter not an all star that can play there? If you are not interested in playing there, don't criticize those that want to just because they have some success. Grow up and be a better example for your child.

Anonymous said...

Criticizing?? Are you being serious? Maybe people would support them, if it wasn't for the asshats on here that make it IMPOSSIBLE to like them. All they do is trash talk. And again...it's not even that justified. try being a little more humble, and maybe things will change.

Anonymous said...

And as far as being jealous?? Hardly. My daughters team has beaten them several times, and always gives them all they could ever want. And we even shut them out. And yes, outdoor 11 on 11. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Well good for you. I mean good for your daughters team.

If you understand their arrogance it should be easy to laugh at them rather than get angry. It's the girls on that team we need to support. Hopefully they learn to lose once in a while so they can be graceful rather than refusing a trophy - I think the spoiled refusal was the adults, not the girls honestly. If the girls get the arrogant attitude then we should all criticize the parents.

Anonymous said...

Who is coaching STA?Do any kids plan on moving on?

Anonymous said...

PDA (& other ENCL teams) are not "all-star teams" (though the parents want to think so to justify the $$ being spent; just because you own a Ferrari doesn’t not mean you are an Formula 1 Driver). There are many players who do not tryout but would make it and start if they did; probably 1-3+ players from each of the top 20 team in the state. These players will possibly move at U15-16 to replace the weaker players thinking better chance for the $10,000 partial scholarship which most will not see and spend 3-4x more from U12-18 to get. (which if they “can play” will probably get anyway from some of the non ENCL teams)

The game now for the academies is to sign as many players as possible; make 1 ENCL team and many lower teams telling parents "your kid will start on the lower teams and have a chance to move up". When the lower teams enter tourneys players from the ENCL team "guest" to make the lower teams "look better" to attract more parents to sign their kids up for the lower teams with sell "your kid will start on the lower teams and have a chance to move up". When actually the lower players on the lower teams actually see less playing time in tourney because of the "Guest players" who are trying to sell the academy.

The truth if your kid makes does not make the ENCL team; at this age its is probably too late to make it to the 1st team (yes there are exceptions); sign them up for another top team as the will be happier and play more. Many of the top teams in the state can beat these ENCL teams as you will see in the Manh & Jeff tourney. So do not fall for the sell…

Anonymous said...

New STA coach not very good. Best player already quit this winter... no idea where she has gone. She lives in Vernon and used to play for them... surely hasn't gone back there though?

STA is a team on the decline now. Won't hear much about them anymore.

Anonymous said...

congrats to Vernon parent who stopped drinking the Second Tier Academy Kool Aid. I'm hoping more parents can kick the habit.

Anonymous said...

New STA coach is the same coach that lost 8 players this fall on his u14 team. This was one STA's most talented teams but the leadership with program has gone down hill fast. All the real talent for morris, essex and sussex county will be looking for new teams, many have been spotted on the futsal circuit with teams already

Anonymous said...

It's Karma. You treat parents and kids poorly it will eventually catch up with you. Second tier academy may have to change name to third tier academy,

Anonymous said...

I hope the top three STA players come to our team.

Anonymous said...

Isn't the definition of an all star team that you have the best players available from a certain geographical area or group of teams?

So if there are numerous players on other teams in the tri-state area that could play and likely start on that team, then how is it an all-star team?

Seen them many times, they have holes just like everyone else.

Anonymous said...

"Isn't the definition of an all star team that you have the best players available from a certain geographical area or group of teams?"

Yes, it is, and they more or less do have that. Doesn't mean there are not other good players out there.

"So if there are numerous players on other teams in the tri-state area that could play and likely start on that team, then how is it an all-star team?"

There are only so many spots to fill, no? Also, not all the parents can pay for it, or even would if they could. Again, of course there are other players capable of playing for them, but they can't have everyone. It is, by your definition, an all-star team. They probably don't have one bench player that wouldn't be a starter on any other "club" team.

Anonymous said...

My definition is that all of the all star players would be in the top three of any team they went to. Not middle of the pack, or simply starters as you say.

And you identify the root of the problem, it is the cost.

They have the best players that can and choose to afford it, which is different than simply the best players.

Anonymous said...

Are you going to count the girls that dont choose to play as well?

Liek the fulltimers in softball, basketball, tennis, lacrosse.......?

Come on......

You're telling me that there is some Northern Counties B division kid that is good enough to play high level academy and just doesnt have the time/money?



Yeah...maybe

Anonymous said...

February 4, 2014 at 3:12 PM, hope you are joking

just make PDA the next national team then as they have it all

I guess this proves a fool is born every minute

also I have an "All-Star" bridge to sell you too ...

Anonymous said...

There may be some outliers like you are mentioning, but you could get pretty close by picking the top five players from say the top 8 teams. You have to make sure you have good representation at all positions. Have a couple of tryouts, and then pick the top 18 from that group.

That would be much closer to an all-star team.

Anonymous said...

1:14 considering you know so much, it might help your argument to call the league by the correct name.
You forgot to mention the ECNL B teams are NPL teams. That adds to their lure. Not saying its worth it to me, but the second team has at least some value.

Anonymous said...

Stop with the money issue. All these clubs charge approx. the same. Crush,Second Tier, SDFC, PDA, Match Fit, WC,etc... Fact is PDA attracts the best players 1 thru 18. Sure there's maybe a handful of other kids but the BEST want to play for PDA if within the driving distance the parents will commit too.

Anonymous said...

1:43

Opinion.

But thanks

Anonymous said...

Academy parents where can we see a posting of last year's (2013) graduates from your academies as to what colleges the players went to and “soccer scholarship” received?

Not hear say, an official listing, so we can pick the best club
We will wait....

Anonymous said...

"Stop with the money issue"

I am not talking about the difference in cost between PDA and STA or MFA and SJEB! I am talking about the large segment of the population who cannot shell out thousands of dollars per year to play at any of these places. The kids that are lucky to play at any club or even their township, but are naturally gifted athletically and have potential to be great soccer players.

It is probably more of an issue on the girls side, since at least the boys have the MLS academies. But I'm guessing that money still talks, even with the boys.

Anonymous said...

4:46
PDA website has an article about 7 seniors that just played in high school all-american game. Colleges they will be attending and playing soccer: Syracuse, Rutgers, Duke, Vanderbilt, Harvard, Georgetown, another Syracuse.

I know of others attending Penn, Princeton, Lehigh, Naval Academy, Boston College.

Some from B Teams.

No scholarship info. Ivy league does not offer athletic scholarships.

Also 2 girls on U17 national team. I am sure they will play D1somewhere, if not already committed.

Anonymous said...

First, I am not IGFA or PDA parent, just somebody who had a chance to watch the game - PDA vs. IGFA. IGFA won 6:1 what is not important at all. What was ALARMING?
The PDA team would not line up to shake IGFA players’ hands until referee called the coach and asked them to do so.


This is completely rude, arrogant, and unacceptable behavior.

I would never want my daughter to play for the team with this kind of arrogance. I would never want this coach to be close to my daughter. He would not teach her fair-play, give respect towards other people but promote snobby, rude, and disrespectful treatment.
PDA academy should take a notice and address this with the coach. What a shame!

I am sure there were parents from PDA who saw this and were embarrassed. I hope some of them passed this info further and made the academy aware of this disrespectful "macho-Man" attitude.
Btw., the team also refused to pick up the trophy for the 2nd place.

People – make the judgment!

Anonymous said...

That's why I pulled my kid from there,it's been like that for along time PKs with. no. cleats sitting in the. Cold rain no jackets it's a shame he is still there.i guess if you win it's ok....not for my kid

Anonymous said...

If that is indeed what happened, the coach and parents are both idiots. The girls should be taught to respect the other team win or lose and show class in all circumstances.
They need to lose with grace. I would not wish it for the girls but the coach and parents need to lose more.

Anonymous said...

IT IS TRUE. I would ask everyone who saw it to confirm that. Maybe it would create some pressure that could ensure this will never happen again. Also, the tournament coordinator should have addressed this with him.
IGFA girls were standing in the line and waiting and waiting and waiting...
It was very disrespectful.
At least ref had a common sense and did what was necessary - remind the coach what they teach in the first - F license course. But I don't think it is about the lack of education, it is a lack of respect. What must be addressed by PDA.

Anonymous said...

They also left the second place trophy and left

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Anonymous said...

We all know his record. It doesn't excuse unethical behavior. Or is this how you teach your kids as well? If you have money or position you don't have to show a respect and treat people with dignity? ... somehow I feel you are the same. So, you should be proud of yourself that I put you on the same level...Keep going. Just wait for the "Karma effect"!

Anonymous said...

Does the DOC encourage such behavior?

Anonymous said...

Those that lose out are the players. They no deep down inside that is unethical n for the most part they would have shook hands...but they are afraid of loosing the label even if they know it is wrong...some families are so stuck on PDA...my daughter was hurt by what the coach forced their player to do...sh grew up with one of the players from PDA...and admired what those girls where about...but as we traveled and played we noticed the arrogance...they snickered in Rahway and laughed about how easy it would be...until they had a taste of their own medicine...a good old fashion tail lashing...yes they may not be as large or have as much history...but they are humble and grateful to have a chance to train and play against the best. They loose and win against great teams on any given day a team will come out on top. 12 months to make it to the top ten...impressive...and it was not hello kitty tournaments either...yes there were some holes that needed some patching...and that was taken care of...now it comes down to training health and positive energy. Good things come to good people and Splash's coach will and is going to destroy for those lovely girls that want to simply play..Karma is after him...it started in Rahway.

Anonymous said...

"Tito, pass me a tissue please"

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Anonymous said...

Sounds like GFA needs to learn how to win with class,

Anonymous said...

NJ and class. Kind of like oil and water.

Anonymous said...

Here we go, hello PDA parent , I stead to say something constructive, attack the other team.
Class is something that PDA cannot teach

Anonymous said...

Targets on backs? I see one on GFA back. Too much big talk here.

Anonymous said...

SJEB are also notorious for not collecting their 2nd place trophies & take their arrogance from their coach. Number 1 in nation playing a lot if lower tournaments or top tournaments in lower flights ie Jeff Cup & PDA last year to get to that status. PDA parents are arrogant but would say SJEB are by far the worst!!!! I know our coach is friendly with PDA coach & has a lot of respect for what he does & we have played them over 10 times over the years & he always seemed gracious towards our players.

Anonymous said...

I don't have a dog in the PDA / GFA conversation but from looking at the GFA record they have not played / beaten anyone. Beating Jackson, NJ Wild Cats,Toms river, Copa.....Really. You beat PDA in an indoor tournament. Like most teams during the winter I would bet PDA did not have the full team or played with a split squad. When you start playing and beating teams like FC Bucks, STA, NJ Force, PDA, Bethesda,CFC,SJEB, Americans...on a regular basis you then have something to discuss.

Anonymous said...

That is absolutely right. But apparently somebody that is not a GFA parent keep bring them up , most of people here are still writing about an Indoor event that has no importance, and is not PDA parents or GFA parents just some idiot that wants to keep the attention on them so everybody gets annoyed and start bashing them.
We were having a good talk about best teams in Nj etc.. Now back about a team not shaking hand etc.. Come on let it be and move on

Anonymous said...

Can't wait for the new spring season. Good dynamics...

Anonymous said...

February 5, 2014 at 8:25 AM

agreed, another guy selling a club trying to make a buck...no substance here

Anonymous said...

I don't have a kid on any academy team, but I did have some dealings with the coach in question.

No details, but I would never use him for anything. He left a bunch of kids and a team in a lurch.

He may be the nicest guy in the world, but his reputation is beginning to grow. Probably doesn't care much, but FWIW.

Anonymous said...

February 4, 2014 at 5:26 PM thanks for the info but no scholarship info and other academies will not even reply? Do the academies show this evidence prior to signing up or do you just take their word for it (info for people who want to join)? This is why we are on this site is to brag about potential scholarships? All I hear is about “we better than you & my girl get the scholarships,(as she watching from the bench or playing on the 2nd team) lalala”. Was that not the sell?

Anonymous said...

The same for me. I know a team that was destroyed because of him - his brother. His academy was actually banned to perform any activity in the town - indefinitely. I agree with you - his reputation is beginning to grow. And maybe you are also right that he probably doesn't care much...

Anonymous said...

Anyone has any updates on manhattan soccer tournament 2014

Anonymous said...

I am lost which coach are we talking about

Anonymous said...

The update on Manhattan is they are clearly a bunch of very disorganized group of misfits. How can Jefferson post their flights two weeks ago for an event two weeks later than Manhattan and they can't even tell people what field their age groups are playing at? I wonder if they'll be smart enough to keep flights at close fields or have people going all over the place.
It's looking like Jefferson schedules will be out before we even have Mahattan flights. Glad we don't have to stay there - out of town teams might not come back if the short time frame causes hotel problems.

Anonymous said...

manhattan is always "talking" to a lot of teams before the flights are out. it is VERY political. they need to make sure everybody that counts for them is happy so they wait as long as possible

Anonymous said...

Did he ever get his coaches license ?if you check PDA website he is not on the staff just listed as a coach of splash. Which we all know who really coaches them,just go to the Rutgers gym on any Saturday .....

Anonymous said...

February 5, 2014 at 6:48 AM

What do you base your comment on regarding PDA parents being arrogant? This website which is all anonymous? I can only base my beliefs on the sidelines and from what I've seen, they are the quietest group of parents who routinely cheer for both sides. I Haven't even found SJEB to be that bad. Brick by far the worst which I assume is because the team used to be something when they were 9-11 yrs old. Now the parents are just obnoxious. STA not much better.

Anonymous said...

So I am a big fan of PDA, maybe not the Splash coach but the club itself. It's National Signing Day, anyone see the list? Not sure how you argue with the success, but I'm sure they will.

Anonymous said...

Brick by far the worst? You obviously have never seen Freehold parents!LOL
And as far as "the team used to be something when they were 9-11" comment, you are obviously clueless. There continued success from day one til now speaks volumes. Check the record books.

Anonymous said...

PDA quietest group of parents?! Yeah, til they get on here anonymously and be jackasses. Their coach wouldn't put up with that garbage, and I'm sure he's embarrassed by some of the stuff he sees here.

Anonymous said...

My daughter plays for IGFA. I have seen many PDA games. You are right, PDA parents are the quietest group of parents. I have not heard anyone being out of line. Looks like a good influence or instructions from PDA academy. Give them credit for that.

Anonymous said...

I'd vote for Wildcats and Copa parents in a race for most obnoxious. Guess the nod goes to Wildcats - they wander the length of the field right in front of the other teams fans and shout at their kids or the ref.

Anonymous said...

PDA 51 commitments today. To see list go to PDA website.

Anonymous said...

That is why we play you. So keep on hating.

Anonymous said...

Play there. Congrats girls and coaches of the best club in the country.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats just follow their owners lead. simple

Anonymous said...

Wildcats(wannabe), Freehold & the old Jackson teams are & were the worst! Coaches, parents & players. SJEB had on many occasions not picked up their 2nd place trophies or congratulated the other teams which shows no class at all. It all starts with the coach & how he or she wants their team to conduct themselves. Every team had crazy parents 1 or 2 but the teams mentioned above it's across the board.

Anonymous said...

Well didn't a couple freehold parents move to brick. Guess they brought the attitude with them. Haven't heard anything about freehold on here in a long time, so leave them out of it.

Anonymous said...

I have only seen Freehold once and I don't remember anything too outlandish. I could be wrong but let's leave it at that.

As for Brick, they used to be the team to beat. The splash of 9-11 year olds. They aren't anymore. Still best town team but nothing special. It wasn't meant as an insult, and I know the stats even if they are left off their website. Like most parents, brutal when they were crushing teams. I'm sorry the truth hurts.

As for the complete imbecile who says "quietest until they come on the website and act..." He moron, this is anonymous blog, it could be anyone. And they are smarter than you because you fall for it. It could be PDA parents, I have no way of confirming or disproving but typically what you see is what you get. Obnoxious on the sidelines, obnoxious on the blog. Complete idiot on the sidelines, complete idiot on this blog. And we know who you are on the sidelines I guess.

At least I know how to identify you

Anonymous said...

Lets face it, on the girls side you either play for PDA or MF, that's it. All others cant compete.

Anonymous said...

MF in this age group hasn't done anything yet so they should just take a proven team & convince them to come to start with as they will not be able to compete in ECNL with team they currently have.

Anonymous said...

Interesting post I read on the U14 group.

"Did anyone catch the interesting statistics from yesterday's national signing day? PDA listed 51 female athletes who signed from their club for the class of 2014. Setting aside discussion on how large their rosters actually are, if you go back and look at where these girls came from, 30 of them arrived at PDA at U16 or later. That means that more than half of the PDA signing class was developed somewhere other than PDA."

Anonymous said...

I guess that proves PDA is the place to be. I don't see 30 impact players going to another club. For all the bashing people do I'm sure they would all go there if they had the chance. Just a fact.

Anonymous said...

How would they possibly know how many came from other clubs. I always criticize PDA for claiming they develop girls when they don't, but I cannot accept that number on blind faith.
I would suspect they carry more than three teams of 17 which also means not every girl signed. Last criticism is the schools they signed to - not many elite college programs in that list. Most teams could feed those schools and the Rutgers numbers are hardly a surprise.

Anonymous said...

Shouldn't we spend time worrying about more important things. Like our horrible president who is killing this country. He's the biggest joke.

Anonymous said...

There are plenty of teams out there that offer great training and that includes clubs and town teams. At 13 kids are still developing. By now you should know what you looking at when your child is playing. Where she excels and where she might come up short. Continue to work hard and good things will happen.

Anonymous said...

Go to the ECNL website, look up PDA, it shows ECNL history by player (click into the player). Most there U15 or prior which corresponds with ECNL (14 added last couple of year).

Anonymous said...

So true. Easy to see how long they have been there, and most have been there for a while. others come for the showcasing of their talent. And some come to play with a great collection of players. It really doesn't matter why they come to PDA just that they do come to PDA.

Anonymous said...

It appears they are also tracking pre-ECNL so there will be better data in the future. There won't be a way of tracking the turnover on the non-ECNL teams so the argument will always exist.

Anonymous said...

We know PDA is a good spot to be,just NOT at u13 it's a total mess,see you at u15 taking your spot.....

Anonymous said...

Curious to know, how many girls are actually able to get on PDA ecnl team at u15?

lets say 100 good players tryout,

I assume less than 5%.

If that's the case then there is about a 20 to 1 shot that you in-fact won't see PDA at u15.

Anonymous said...

Most people who make comments like that vastly over-estimate the quality of their kid. My guess, she's not taking anyone's spot. How about the club she's on so we can look out for your superstar?

Anonymous said...

My last post was meant for the person who thinks their kid is coming in at U15 and taking a spot. It is possible, I'm not questioning that at all.

Anonymous said...

U13 PDA is a total mess?

How so?

Good luck trying to break into the ECNL team at U15. The turnover on their A teams is low, so unless they expand the roster, you will be fighting for one of 2-3 open spots.


Anonymous said...

I have asked a few times before, who are these development factories that create the players that PDA steals?

And I have never gotten an answer on this blog.

From what I have seen, any new player who comes onto PDA is behind in development, and it takes them at least a year to catch up.

Anonymous said...

lets see.

lett start with the sisters s that play for the u18 team.

SDA
NJ Crush
SJEB
World

To name a few. your team at different age groups are full of them.

You can start with your U 18's and work your way down.

Let me know if you want me to be more specific



You can

Anonymous said...


Why have they left those teams?

Are you saying they came 'fully developed' from those programs and did not continue to improve once they arrived at PDA?

For the most part, they are naturally gifted athletes that have been developed by previous coaches and programs to the extent possible, and move to PDA to continue their development and take their game to the next level.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone ever heard of transfers in professional soccer?

Even the world's greatest teams get some if not most of their best players through transfers.

Doesn't mean they don't continue developing once they get there.

Anonymous said...

I cannot understand why PDA parents get so upset at these discussions. Most everybody agrees PDA has a great system and product to draw the best athletes together especially at the older ages. If you are already there and believe your daughter will be able to withstand the challenges from others at tryouts, then hooray for you and your girl. There is nothing wrong with admitting they gather more talent than they develop in house from u8. It works for them and also works for girls that wait and manage to take someone's spot at u15. Doesn't work for everybody, but it definitely works for some.

Anonymous said...

PCA. Player collecting academy.

Anonymous said...

Why have they left those teams?

"Are you saying they came 'fully developed' from those programs and did not continue to improve once they arrived at PDA?

For the most part, they are naturally gifted athletes that have been developed by previous coaches and programs to the extent possible, and move to PDA to continue their development and take their game to the next level."

I agree with that in that every year a player continues to develop. The PDA players will develop every year from u10 on . but lets not pretend that there are not difference makers that come from other clubs that add to a PDA team.

Best way to know if a player is sufficiently developed relative to their age group is to see how fast a player who is coming from another club is inserted into the starting line-up.

So yes other clubs do develop relative to their own age group.




Anonymous said...

My kid played for the local YMCA when she was 5.

I wonder if her coach on that team claims he developed her into the player she is today?

Wait, I was her coach. You know what, you guys might have it right after all! :)

Anonymous said...

I think the players deserve more credit than they get for their own development.

Coaching is important, but coaches can do just as much to screw players up as to make them better. Sometimes coaches need to learn when to get out of the way and let the gifted ones just play.

Anonymous said...

Very insightful post!

Anonymous said...

The reality is the top 2 or 3 kids on most teams will leave. The day will come when they are not being challenged by the players they practice with or play against. If they are capable and have the resources they will end up at a PDA or other top club that can offer them what they desire. Most clubs will cater to the average player and play average competition to keep the majority of the team happy. This happens at every level, rec players leave and go to town travel teams, travel team players go to club, top club players go to the top clubs.

Anonymous said...

How about 30 players leave their clubs at U16 because that club isn't getting them exposure and recruited?
Isn't that why a player is primarily at PDA? To get recruited and play in college?

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