Some of it is good. Much of it not so much.Some of these kids mature incredibly within 3-4 months.
11:11 - Nope, just funny to sit back and watch some people make fools of themselves on this blog thinking they actually know more about soccer than the people that coach it, most of whom played their whole life including college. Some admittedly are in over their head but most know the game and are only working with what they have. On one hand a person will complain that the talent level sucks in HS and then in the next sentence say the coach doesn't know what he's doing. Maybe it's because he/she is playing with the roster he has and there's not much they can do about it. The funny thing is, the complaining is more than likely coming from a parent of kid playing for a top level club which they think automatically makes them a genius of the game.
SAME LOSER LAST 15 POSTS CHRIST GO GET A BREAKFAST SANDWICH OR SPANK YOUR HAM YOU ARE A WEIRD CREEPER.
6:14 is a perfect example of the lunacy on this board.
Hey Admin roll up your boards or start them from scratch - it's turning into the wild west - nobody knows where to post. Anyway I want to defend GS for a second to all that call it a joke. It's going down the right path and has manually created the below. It looks like the only events they haven't created are the events that have asked to be excluded. Leagues manually created:2016 Club Champions League 2016 Region I Champions League ECNL 2015/2016 Conference Standings Tournaments manually createdUSYSA National Championship 2016 2016 US Youth Soccer Region I Championships 2016 US Club Soccer National Cup USCS Mid-Atlantic Regional USCS Southeast Regional2016 ECNL National FinalsNPL Finals
Got soccer does not manually create the tournaments. If the tournaments want to use their own software to manage tournaments they can but if the tournament wants to be reported in gotsoccer as well the tournaments must submit he information to gotsoccer in their format. Gotsoccer will not proactively go out and create tournaments in their software.
So is this the 2001 board?
12:11 wait one second - are you telling me the ECNL wants to be included in GS by submitting the data in their format? WOWWhere are all the ECNL doesn't need GS people now? So I guess then GS is not so evil after all.WOW great info 12:11
There will max 2 DA's in each state. You crap clubs thinking your getting a DA is a joke. PDA has one already and MF the other, everyone else is looking in from out!
False. CA has more than 2.
@2:50 - is that how you read it re the GS Points and ECNL? That ECNL will be relying on the GS tally system?? I read it that any tourneys that they participate in that also use GS, then the ECNL will also use that system of tallying, too. I highly doubt that ECNL will give a second thought about GS. Unless it is anticipating using it when the DA rolls around as some NPL teams will be moving into ECNL.Several yrs ago one of the USSF coaches that was present at an ID camp my kid was invited to attend told the parents that they don't give a hoot about GS points and neither do high level soccer programs. And, in my experience, I have found that to be true. Then, some club coaches and parents (and kids) use GS points as a measuring stick...well we should beat this team because they aren't ranked as high as such and such. Then, they get beat and think they didn't play well. No. No everyone cares about GS points. In prior years, maybe had merit, but now, not so much. I know kids in teams that are ranked very high in either in their state, region or nationally via GS. Guess what? Can't get the top coaches to their games. I know teams that are ECNL and have not very good GS ratings (because in showcase tourneys the objective is to get everyone playing time and also in different positions to show versatility...not a win). These teams (in ECNL) have coaches from top programs coming and watching their practices and regular league games not just showcase. As a fellow soccer parent, I would suggest that you spend your money wisely. Go to good tournaments where many coaches will have interest in attending; not just tournaments to collect points. It's your money; make sure it is well spent. Coaches want to see good soccer with good teams and good development. The wins are not as important as the overall play and style of play.
If a team doesn't win they're not going to be at a any good tournaments or at least not in good brackets. GS is a tool. It's far from perfect but it can be used carefully. What other options are there?
1:19 Well if the previous post is valid - the only way the ECNL league and playoffs gets into GS is if they the ECNL format their feed the way GS wants it. That would mean the ECNL does acknowledge GS as a ranking tool. If they didn't give it a second thought they would do what PDA is - none of their tournaments are in GS getting points.Of course the coaches don't give a hoot about GS points they care about the players they need to fill positions. Why would anyone think they would care? GS is a measuring tool to measure the team results. Now if you have teams that have multiple accounts see PDA, EM and a few others and tournaments see PDA that don't want to be included of course the numbers are skewed, but by no fault of GS. I bet these kids that can't get coaches to their games as you say still go to college and play for good schools and get an education out of it also, you are not saying only ECNL does? are you?As a soccer parent we don't pick the tournaments, we just pay the bills and rack up the miles. The kids play where they are wanted - some have choice and some don't. I don't think Bethesda, WAGS, CASL, Disney, Jefferson & FC Delco are tournaments that you play to rack up points. So if teams go to these events do well at them get GS points that is a bad thing right? How is that a bad thing? Most top ECNL teams are at these events it's not the team that wins fault the ECNL team's didn't. It's not GS's fault the ECNL showcases don't provide a feed.What gets me is that you think because a team is ranked high by GS they don't play good soccer and that doesn't surprise me since putting a label as a point chaser on a team makes them less attractive right? and the parents on those teams should look to move their kids to an ECNL club since they don't chase points and play at the same events they just don't place to get the points otherwise they would be GS point chasers.My kid plays club soccer within the region with a chance to play nationally if they do well. The team plays in high level showcase event and ODP is there also that offers a regional and national track. So yes I will spend money and throw it away on the track that kid is a part of just like you do for your kid. PS. Our kids might even be on the same college team that's the funny thing.Enjoy because they will be on their own in another year or two far from home
I am not saying ECNL is the only path to college for soccer players. Not at all. Each kid needs to find where they want to be.But, I am saying that GS points are not the way to judge a team. And no parents should buy into hey we have to go to this tournament to get points and up our ranking in Got Soccer. Years ago I read an article that said that sometimes mediocre teams can seem better because they have garnered a lot of got soccer points. Surely there are holes in the system. I just don't see ECNL buying into GSP (as someone above stated). It's completely unnecessary for their current business model.I am saying spend your money wisely. Go to good tournaments.
@3:56 - i can only go by what I have been told by the parents of the teams as far as coaches not coming to games. I am just saddened for them.
Rumor has it that Cedar Stars girls were granted the u16 and u18 GDA. Is that true??? This was from an online article on 8/4 relating to Cedar Stars' Tinton Falls facility.
7:04 isn't that what I'm saying - a team goes to WAGS, Bethesda, CASL, Disney, Jefferson and Delco if they are good they will be in the top flights and place meaning they will rack up the "GSP" how does this make them a bad team and a got soccer point chaser? and why does this mean they can't play soccer? How is this money not spent wisely?You say go to good tournaments - I just listed a bunch that top non-ecnl teams go to. So they shouldn't place this way they are not labled GSP chasers by posters like you?
9:47 - I am not trying to get into a thing. I am saying, I don't see ECNL getting into GSP. And, as far as those tourneys, i am not talking about them. I think they are nice tourneys. And, yes, points earned are points earned (as provided by the tourney). And, as I explained how ECNL views many of those tourneys. Many send teams that are not the full team (playing with composite teams, where they sit their commits, or where they play kids in different positions or give many kids playing time that may not see as much otherwise). I think it is a great thing. And, as GSP don't matter. So, hardly a GSP chaser. My kid's team didn't go to WAGS, Bethesda, Disney or Delco. We go to the ECNL events. And as someone pointed out, none of them use Got Soccer as a ranking system (PDA, Stanford, Texas, San Diego [Seattle last year], MD, etc.). All of the results go into the overall league tally and as a result of those, it is determined where the teams will play at nationals, if eligible. And, eligibility is based on overall records/head to head play. This is why I don't see ECNL going GSP. It doesn't fit their model.
Please know I think that teams that enter those tourneys, play in the top brackets and do well are very good. I am not saying they are a bad team at all. Quite the contrary. I was with a program yrs ago that would look for tourneys to enter just for points. Totally not worth it.
@ 8:31 - I don't see them mentioned. http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/06/30/19/42/160630-development-academy-us-soccer-announces-first-25-clubs-for-girls-development-academyhttp://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/07/09/01/09/160709-girls-development-academy-wave-2
Nothing official about Cedar Stars Girls getting DA, but this is what I came across.http://tworivertimes.com/soccer-academy-coming-to-tinton-falls/
from that article "At NJCSA, parents do not pay anything for boys on the U-18 and U-16 academy teams. NJCSA has applied for the Girls Developmental Academy, so starting next year U-18 and U-16 girls academy teams at NJCSA will also be free. This does not mean that every team within NJCSA is free, there are still a number of pre-academy boys teams, and girls’ teams outside the Development Academy and parents can expect to pay around $1600-$2400 for the entire season."If this is true why did the Manalapan team leave?
@8:22 That is interesting.
NJCSA did not get an academy status on the girls side. Only PDA/Sky Blue and Match Fit on the girls side in NJ.
The article in two river times is just about the facility. The will not be part of the girls academy group in the first go round, maybe in the future.......
Gotta love it. The article only states that it was applied for (GDA). However, it does not appear it was granted.
More GDA spots will be awarded/announced soon.
I thought the final round was coming out early next year/end of this year. Good to know.
Mfa doesn't have their own facilities. How did they get da?
Well, obviously you have been misled.Have you ever seen in print, "an organization cannot be a develppment academy unless they have their own complex"?No. Just that facilities are considered as part of the process.Where will Match Fit Academy DA practice/play? Do you even know?
We played MFA at a local college facility. Many do that. Played FC Mass Stars at BU, and CT FC was at Yale. I think that they need to have access to very good facilities. And, they do.
Where are the people that killed the teams that scored a bunch of goals?U.S. U-15 Girls National Team routs Trinidad & Tobago 22-0
I'm not one of them, but I think it's ridiculous to have run the score up like that. Only a 1-0 result today against Mexico, so clearly the scoring at will doesn't translate over against a better team. I guess they all got their goals while they could....
Why crush like that especially T&T? Those girls have very little support from country already. If the overall objective is to not only train the US kids, but grow the sport internationally, then this is not the way to get that to happen. And, these are kids and young ones at that not pros. After 10 were scored, maybe just practice possession, patience and other technical items.
Whoops, sorry. I thought it was a friendly.
Yeah, but still...
Now that NJ.com has closed their Soccer Boards, where is everyone going to post tryouts, training, people looking for teams etc.?
http://www.njyouthsoccer.comMight want to start here? Maybe reach out and explain your concerns. Surely, they will help the NJ teams find a new home for posting informative soccer items.
A lot of debate between ECNL and non-ECNL being the best path or equal paths. As someone who has seen it from outside ECNL as well as inside ECNL there also seems to be a wild card. And I know I will get grief but there is also a High School link. If you look at the recruiting websites that list college commits in the area the younger the commit and the higher the College you will see that the player attends one of the more elite private schools. And ECNL teams are beginning to align with these "Main Line" academies. You will also see assistant ECNL coaches that are assistant or even head coaches at colleges around the region. GSP in some way are legit in that the points are awarded based on the supposed level of competition. If there are at least 4 flights and your team plays in the top flight the points received are legit. But College coaches are not specifically looking at that. And for the most part you will not see and ECNL team compete in Non-ECNL events. The exception is CASL/Bethesda/PDA which have ECNL specific flights.
PDA is an ECNL event opened to non-ECNL teams as well. The non-ECNL teams complete against each other. Nothing is reported for GSP as it is an ECNL event. If I can add re another not accurately stated item, I happen to have a daughter in the ECNL and attending a private academy (on the Main Line), there is no aligning with ECNL. It is that my daughter (who happens to have a genius iq) opted to go to a college prep school, too. She likes the challenge of high level soccer and high level academics.
August 11, 2016 at 8:22 PMReally, that is your argument against a noticed trend? People like you are why team synergy fails. I guess she has her IVY already on speed dial?
She was recruited by the Ivy's, too, yes. I meant to add that there are others on her team that are not ECNL. So, because kids that want to play high level soccer at high level programs (many of which require very good grades, too), how is that a trend?
And, her teams (club and high school) have wonderful chemistry & synergy. They all seem to respect each as players and people.
I agree with the above poster. There is no exclusivity with prep schools and soccer [girls and boys/no ECNL in boys' yet]. Many prep schools have great athletics in other sports too, including boys (no ECNL in boys, yet) such as lacrosse, field hockey, tennis, golf, swimming, diving, baseball, football, squash, water polo, and more. Usually the facilities at a prep school are high level as are the academics.
If your daughter is playing ECNL and going to a Main Line prep school, the trend is that other affluent parents like yourself will do or are doing the same thing. If your daughter is playing for Continental and going to a Main Line school, its probably more about her intelligence and your money and not really about her soccer ability. But hats off to the parent that can do it and they are to be admired.
Sounding more and more like npl public school kids even with great grades and sats should just bag it Why bother?
Well, never said Continental, did I?
Nonetheless, any STUDENT (in a prep school or otherwise) that can handle actually juggle high level soccer (ECNL, NPL, USYS) and high level academics should be admired.
1st major WAGS Applied list Girls U16PA/NJ/NYE teamsCapital United SC Blue ForceLaGrange Soccer Club RageNew York SC Elite G01 SapphireFC Bucks North Shockers NPLHFC Ready 2001Hamilton Elite FC - Academy AvalancheNJ Wildcats Fury-NPL
And, like other soccer programs, Continental has many wonderful players in many prep school/academies, too.
August 11, 2016 at 9:30 PMHopefully they will get the coaching right.
August 11, 2016 at 8:59 PMPay to play.....
9:55 - of course. I'm @8:22; etc. Although, my daughter doesn't play for Continental, they are still a good club with good players.
9:04 - How about PF and Westtown?
There is no real synergy there. Westtown is the closest private school to PF. They have great facilities and are expensive. There are several Westtown school kids who play for PF, just as there are several from DT west/east and from all three of the west chester public schools. Throw in GV and local catholic schools, and probably you have a third of the ECNL kids. Yes there might be a tie-in to financial ability, but logistics explain most. I can tell you Penn Fusion wants kids that can play first and pay a close second; many of those kids not by sheer chance, attend the westtown school.
9:04 - nope. There are many ECNL gals that play in private schools as well as non-ECNL gals and same for non-private schools. When my daughter started private school, she was not in ECNL. So, no great strategy to get ECNL kids into private schools. Just like playing in the different leagues are choices, so are school settings.
Oh and by the way, in the Main Line & Philly/suburban area, there are a bunch of private schools. More private schools than public or catholic. It is rich with great education opportunities. That is the driving force, not soccer or more specifically, ECNL. I could care less if my kid played high school ball.
So you pay school taxes and tuition? Geez public schools in PA are that bad
Not saying that, but private schools have other options that most schools (public or catholic) in any state don't have; including outstanding athletic facilities.
Some of these schools have been in the business of education since the colonial times. You are speaking about the area that was the capital of the country; back in the day. A lot of tradition needless to say. So, we see it as a lot of opportunities in education.
And so do most colleges (which is what started this exchange). None of it has to do with ECNL. It's just a coincidence that young commits in soccer happen to be connected with some of these schools.
Agree with this poster. The kid in any educational setting has to get it done in school and in their sport if they are looking to continue it at college. Plenty of great private schools in other states, too.
Oh, and the storied alumni & support is a added bonus for future professions, etc.
2:56 Can you describe the "outstanding athletic facilities" that these private schools have over public schools? Since almost every high school now has a turf field or multiple turf fields, along with modernized workout facilities that rival a Planet Fitness. Public schools may not have teachers with the great pedigree of private schools (the real advantage of private schools), but spending millions on updating fields, gyms and workout centers is never a problem.
Very large indoor field houses.
LOL - have you seen some of the public school fields in Jersey?A joke.
1:21 A joke they may be. But can't argue with the results that NJ public schools get. Currently there are 19 NJ Women playing soccer for Ivy League Schools. Out of those nineteen women, eleven of them are from public schools, two from Catholic schools and six from prep schools. It should be noted that there are over 50 players from California, which must suggest that those girls are all near the genius level (similar to genius kid poster) or practice in similar crappy public school facilities. My guess is that majority of the women in these Ivy League schools are prep school grads, but that majority does not transcend onto the playing field. So much for extremely large fieldhouses.
These look a list of teams in alphabetic order, including ECNL (which do not compete for state cups). Not sure the relevancy of the list. But, thank you for posting.
Gulp. Sorry, wrong item. As you were...
8:44 - well my kids' school has a pool just for the crew team to practice indoors; as well as a diving facility and indoor pool for the team; they have a water polo team; they have multiple squash courts; multiple tennis courts; grass fields and turf for lacrosse, field hockey and soccer (boys and girls, each); baseball and softball fields, a basketball gym for games only (a practice gym, too); a stadium for football; an indoor and outdoor track; a field house (for when it rains and practices are indoors); and work-out equipment (with full time trainers that are on staff) that rival upscale private gyms; not planet fitness; a nutritionist; and more. Should I go on??? I've been to colleges that don't have the same facilities. AND, the pedigreed (as you called it) teachers; semesters abroad-in high school; and more. It's really pretty cool. There are more than just Ivy's that show interest. Top schools like Duke, UVA, Stanford, and others that require great grades come acourting, too. And, you are reviewing a current list of current Ivy players top 50 program players. These kids are commits currently. Still in high school as freshman, soph, jrs.
Now, I can't speak for everybody, just my kid's experience. However, as someone attempted to point out, there is a pattern. But, I can assure you it is not an ECNL strategy with private schools. It is a choice, like ECNL. Every very good soccer player who is a very good student will likely have the same experiences. And, she does have a genius level iq. Again, that is documented and all her. The school district had her tested a few years back. Not something she/or we boast about. It was however the reason she wanted to to attend the school of her choice. She was invited to visit many schools and picked one that was HER best fit. She is doing the work so she has to have the right fit.
Oh 8:44 meant to add. These are privately funded items that have been added to the school by the school through alumnae, etc. No taxpayer funds used.
3:29That's really great that they have all that, but I though we were talking about how the facilities help raise the level of your daughters game in regards to soccer (my mistake). But if she's into water polo, high diving and squash instead of playing soccer, nothing wrong with that. 99.9% of all players stop playing the game at some point. Fencing is a great sport too.
Not saying the school facilities raises her level of soccer at all (and she has committed to a college to play soccer). She did that through training and playing outside of school. The facilities were a lure because she could play on grass and turf (not just one or the other) and the grass isn't full of divits and always well maintained; the fitness items are great so I don't have to worry about her overdoing something with a weight or two as they have trainers on site (well versed in all the sports) to prevent this; that she is going to get a well balanced option for lunch, snack and maybe something after practice. They do tape anaysis in the tape room. She has professional athletes, olympians and national team players in other sports at her school, currently, and that are alumnae. She is part of that community. And, having that mindset and support for her scholastic environment doesn't hurt.
But none of the facilities mattered if the academics would not help her reach her goals. Despite being big in supporting sports, we are an academics first family.
4:27I appreciate your daughter's abilities (both mental and physical), but you have shown no proof of any common thread between ECNL, Prep School and D1 College soccer.Take the latest schools you just listed (and I'll add a few similar schools).Duke, University of Virginia, Florida State, Florida and Penn State. Out of these five D1 schools there are eight extremely talented and no doubt very intelligent ladies playing for them. All eight are from NJ public school systems. Please do not take this as me railing against prep school, as I truly believe it is the path to a better education and better college preparation.
4:45 - Maybe you need to read the threads again. I am saying there isn't any. As someone who is in this not speculating about it and throwing out conspiracy theories, but has FIRST hand knowledge, I am saying there is no common thread. See first post at 8:11 - 3:17. I was the responder saying that was inaccurate. And, I am talking about commits not current players. And, there are girls that are committed to schools that are playing with her in private school in PA and NJ.
@5:33 sorry....that are committed to some of the schools you listed. And while they may play in NJ some they are in PA private schools.
and in NJ private schools playing for PA clubs.
Not sure what the 4:45 poster is saying? Are you looking at rosters or TDS? I know that UVA has two gals from PF (that went to private academies in PA) playing in fall of 2016.
Gottcha. I know of at least four other Duke commits from outside the PA/NJ area that are in private schools, too. No common thread to private schools, just coinicidence it seems. And maybe some schools like UVA, Duke, private colleges not state (Rutgers, Penn State, Fl/Fl St., ), do look that route more so than others.
It all won't matter after November. Hillary is promising debt-free college for everyone and tuition free for families making less than $125K. Therefore, no reason to spend now to earn that college soccer scholarship, or even that academic scholarship.
University of Virginia current roster shows three girls from NJ, Two played for PDA (of course) and one played for Match Fit. Benards High School (four years) and Northern Highlands (four years). I think the other was Verona HS. Shows how dominant a program ECNL can be.
It also shows two gals from PA that played for PF at private academies; Springside/Chestnut Hill Academy and Academy of Notre Dame.
6:05 - hilarious! Feel the Bern.
6:08 - Yes, THAT is the common thread in all the schools you listed and more - ECNL.
6:12Notice there was no mention of PA players or of those from the Cheese Hut Hill Academy. That's because no one cares. The 14 D1 schools mentioned carried 19 women from NJ public schools vs 6 from prep schools. The percentage from PA is almost identical, with the only difference being there were less PA girls to count (Penn State being the exception). Poster is correct though, ECNL is a strong contributing force throughout those schools mentioned.
Wow. You're obviously not a prep school product. You can't even count. I don't see 14 DI schools listed at all. Good luck with that and keep on posting.
Now we have a bunch of white privileged parents comparing tax brackets and types of private schools. Another reason why there is so animosity towards the white privileged children. It's a shame that soccer is inundated with elitist that think like the clown running for president. It's not about soccer it's about how much more money one might have. More money more opportunity less money less likely. This blog is filled with privileged people who pay to play.
It's not about free stuff it's about equal access and oppurtunity. When privileged folks feel threatened they make much more secluded. Make it private. Make it ECNL.
8:11 - hey when did I disclose my race. Who says I'm white? Shows YOUR bias anyway, doesn't it.
8:34 - wow. Are you now saying ECNL is a non-inclusive league? Clearly, you have no idea what you are talking about. #hater
ECNL parent. What I have seen over the past few years. Club matriculated players into ECNL from existing teams for first year, second year girls who did not see a lot of playing time looked elsewhere and were replaced by a group of girls from another non-ecnl team, during the second year players were brought in 4 of the players were all private main line. Girls pushed out were all public school, no connections, single mom, and some just didn’t want to deal with the noise, third year, pretty much the same, players left who did not see time, replaced with more private school kids, with the age change additional attrition, more privates in the mix. Now across 2 teams the ratio of GA, SCH, Baldwin, Shipley and Catholic academies you have a good 75-80 % of the players. Even dips down into NPL. Maybe coincidence, maybe by plan, maybe by pocketbook.
Most likely pocketbook, and the time, other resources, and opportunities that follow it.
August 16, 2016 at 1:18 PMSomewhat agree, I guess the soccer world is taking the Disney approach for getting to the front of the line, buy your fast pass. To me it is all relative. the pool of girls whether Private, public or homeschooled are all good players. there is often skewed recognition based on how they found their way to the team. the other interesting fact is that other top teams in the area are picking up the girls who are leving. It is somewhat of a merry go round between Strikers, CFC, FC Bucks and PF. Sometimes it's a better fit to stay at the same level with a different team, Out of the 4 of them Strikers appears to be the most consistent at their level.
ECNL is noninclusive. No doubt about it. Look at the demographics of race for each of the ECNL teams. Most of the players are players who can afford it. It has little to do with talent. Of course you need to be able to play somewhat but for the most part if you can write the check your in. It is clear that ECNL is built to exclude players with potential that can't afford it. Which is okay and makes beating these ECNL teams much more rewarding. There is no doubt that the exclusivity is be design and income. Brown skin and poor folks don't have the chance to play ECNL even if they wanted to because they do not have equal access.
August 16, 2016 at 2:33 PMWould not go that far...
Not sure what ECNL teams you are playing. Ability to PLAY is the bottom line. Scholarships are available to anyone in need.
12:55 - you just sound disgruntled. Just because your club matriculated girls into a team doesn't mean they had chemistry from the onset. Being negative on the sidelines (which it sounds like parents were/are) DOES seep onto the field. The Club's job is to produce a winning product. If they are not developing it from within, it comes from try-outs and bringing in other kids with different dynamics. One or two kids can make a difference. Maybe the new kids brought in are nicer teammates and make the synergy better. Did you ever think of that? Instead of judging based on educational opportunities, how about judging levels of play. If they brought in kids that could not play and displaced those that could, then you have a complaint. But, it seems that you are just angry about educational opportunities. Petty.
At 1:34 - I disagree with your merry go round analogy with at least one of the clubs you mentioned. My daughter's club team had only a few slots to fill after the combination of the two age groups. And, I don't think anyone left (some were moved to another team within the club with the age thing). We are excited for them to get started. Should be a great season.
August 16, 2016 at 8:31 PMIf you count synergy=wins then the team lost out. The new girls played as individuals and did not add to team chemistry. U14 was down, U15 was up, U16 was waayyy down. It was the typical every girl for herself, coaches are watching. well, no mid major ACC or top 30 D1 school s are calling.
4-5 years of this blog and nothing changes. Mindless arguments and negative comments year after year after year. Sad
GFA still #1
Hi 9:09 pm - i wasn't saying synergy equating to wins, but equating to better play and more stability within the team with each other. Shame. That wouldn't work with my kid. She would want to leave and I would support it. Plenty of soccer out there. Btw - not every team has girls that can play top 30, 40 or 50. The parents may be putting too much pressure on this team as well. Good luck.
Hey 5:08, thank you for the posting. The soccer landscape will be extremely different next year. I am surprised that they added so many in the first year. Is this how they did it with the boys' too or were they gradual additions of clubs?
Tab Ramos influence on Men's side has paid off as well as the investment in the new facility. Could be good for shore players that don't want to travel to Sky Blue/PDA or Match Fit. They will need new coaches, however, the joke they have involved now will most likely be eliminated from the organization or he will take care of the teams that are nothing more that a glorified rec team where parents don't care how much money they have to pay to say there kid plays at an academy. He is a joke and hopeful that the leaders at this place finally realize it.
I think if I remember back (my son was at a DA club when it was introduced) There were about 60 original clubs and over the subsequent years more were added. Notably some were also removed -Potomac is one that struck me and there were many others.
Cant believe who makes HS varsity and who does not. These coaches make me laugh.
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9:02 maybe you need to check yourself. Besides what makes you such a judge of talent? Some kids got the benefit of the doubt on their club teams subjective views - now we have a different set of subjective views at the HS level some make both cuts others make only 1 and others make none.11:06 Cedar Stars is academy for the top players in that area that wan't to play for free and not travel long distances - of course the money will come from other players within the club playing in various leagues.
9:02 High School teams are an anomoly. You can have what is considered a high level travel player who is a sophomore not make varsity because the coach does not factor in clubs outside of the district. I have seen ECNL level starters that as freshman and sophomores not make their varisty teams. I have also seen girls cut to b level township teams start on Varsity. some HS coaches are loyal to players as well. Seniors will be grandfathered in as varsity player from previous years which also makes it tough for underlassmen to break into Varsity or see a lot of playing time. You also have some HS coaches who coach travel and will almost always fill the roster with their travel players first. I saw this with my son.
I have seen a kid who has since been to national camp not make varsity as a freshmen. Lots of variables including gym teacher coaches and puberty.
A significant variable is school enrollment. There is a big difference between competing for a roster position at a school with an enrollment of 500 than it is at a school with an enrollment of 2500, particularly if the school is located in an area where soccer is a popular sport.
Yes.Read that: In certain districts playing as a freshman on the FRESHMAN team is nothing to be ashamed of.I wish more girls/families understood this.
There are much different dynamics with high school soccer. The best kids do not always play because seniority counts and many coaches want players to pay their dues.Its all about managing numbers and team dynamics. It is just tough for freshman players that go to large schools... they could be region 1 standouts but not get to play varsity. Very tough on the ego.
keep telling yourself that,the best kids play....I have seen rec kids that are better then most top club kids,they cant play because not all familys have the ability to pay for it...don't kid yourself
8:54REC kids that are better than top club kids??????? What club are is you kid playing for?? Laugh-Olympics FC??
Well....you also make a good point about CHOICEClearly there are female athletes playing other sports that could excel at soccer.And no - the "but they cant pay" argument does not hold. The interest has to be there first.How do we get the elite athlete into soccer?
region1 standouts - stop it already - club soccer is very subjective as far as who gets pushed and who makes select teams. Some people just need a reality check when it comes to their knowledge of soccer. A true Region1 soccer player will make any team and it would be visible within the first minute of watching the player - they wouldn't need long looks or going to train with a team before tryouts - they know they are good and it shows because they know exactly what to do when they have the ball and when they don't.Reality check for the parents that think their kids are players they are not. We all think our kids are great - but the really good ones will stick out in a group, if they don't then it's a subjective selection process coach might want physical players or speedy players then it becomes a does your kid have the skill set the coach is looking for not are they a good soccer players.
10:29 pm - being a top high school player does not necessarily equate to a top soccer player in college. Not questioning this girls' ability at all, but no top college soccer program is recruiting a girl that isn't a soccer player, first. And, its a shame, but that is how it is. Remember when sport seasons ended and kids could do multiple sports in and out of school. We were part of this crew. It was a lot of fun.
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No DA for SJEB Rush. I guess the merger really did not mean much huh ?
Schools will take top athletes and give them golf scholarships. They dont have to know how to play golf.
GilliganYour really going to compare learning an individualized sport like golf, to a team oriented sport like soccer? The Minnow is taking on water. Please, the Rec player comment was ridiculous enough. Think about how many excellent players we see at the club level and then multiply it by all the other states that have much higher populations, and with a far greater number of clubs (think California, Texas ect.). With so many great athletes that already are trained, what would be the motivation for a college to give one of their limited scholarships to a volleyball or basketball player? Sorry to bore everyone with this back and forth, I'm done now.
8:54 You can count the top players on rec in NJ by using your arms.If there is a top player that can not afford to pay for a top club.. the club will make it happen.Today's landscape will allow top players to play without paying.You're completely wrong here and the vacuum you're living in needs a filter.
Just keep posted who gets signed this year
10:35 I would have agreed with you prior to this month. When I pick up my kid from HS practice - I watch and I noticed more than 1 player that played at the speed needed to play top shelf soccer. I read so many horror stories nothing like that at my kid's school.So yes I buy into their are top players that understand the game and can play at high levels not on top shelf teams. These kids play local travel because it works for their family. Not everyone want's to drive over 30 minutes to practice a few times a day and then hours to a game. If they did they would make top shelf teams and with that type of training why wouldn't one expect them to be region1 material.
Nice speech, 10:13 (should I call you MaryAnn?)You are insinuating that it could never happen. While I agree it doesnt often happen, yep, it sure could.Think of the top club soccer player that runs track to keep in shape, ends up with......yep.....a TRACK scholarship.Players most often cannot play TWO club sports. For example - playing club soccer often does not leave room for club softball.You are saying that having made the decision to play club SOFTBALL ahead of club SOCCER, though capable of both, would then preclude that player from ever getting an offer to play soccer collegiately, having continued playing soccer for her high school team and school + club on the softball sideI think you had better check yourself.
A girl from the TR area is on D1 soccer and track scholarships at Wagner College in New York. Two sports can be done.
GilliganAgain you point out a scholarship being awarded for an individualized sport,that also happens to be a fast soccer player that also running track. More than half the girls on my daughter"s team runs track in HS, and I'm sure its the same on your daughters team. Please point out to me which colleges are awarding soccer scholarships to these incredibly talented top rec players? Previous poster was correct about soccer clubs letting kids play for discounted cost or no cost at all (especially if their a top rec player). As the famous quote from Jaws goes "its only an island if you look at it from the water". Get off the island Gilligan!
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umm pssst 3:11. we already stated that fast soccer players can run track.
4:46 I think you missed the point. The girl is on 2 college scholarships: soccer AND track. That doesn't happen a lot at the D1 level.
two scholarships??? i hope for just one for my kid.
7:22Didn't miss the point. Players do sometimes play more than one sport in college and one can even be beneficial to the other (track and soccer). It also allows the two coaches to split the scholarship and allows them to award half scholarships to other recruits. Coaches that are awarding the whole scholarship do not want the crossover for fear of injury to their player and lets face it, they need to win to keep their job.I'm just stating that soccer is the one sport that requires a skill set that is usually developed well before a players freshmen year. Tough for a player that's only runs track to step into D1 college soccer game.
8:09 Baseball, Swimming, Gymnastics, Football. Basketball. According to your "logic," all of those parents are wasting money on their kids before their freshman year. Go back to the QVC channel.
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Your getting testy 8:54. Where did you possibly draw that conclusion about parents wasting their money on other sports? My son played club baseball, but also played HS football and basketball, so I'm all for kids playing more than one sport. In fact being able to play multiple sports gives a recruit much greater leverage in the recruiting process. This thread was originally started by a post stating that there are rec players are better than some top level soccer players. Wouldn't you agree that if you daughter hadn't built her soccer foundation between the ages of nine and 14, she would be the player she is now? Kids that don't play the game at a higher level simply fall so far behind. I hope this topic comes up while your watching Dr. Phil and then maybe you'll see the light. You do realize he's not really a doctor?
10:04 Didn't you say "I'm just stating that soccer is THE one sport that requires a skill set that is usually developed well before a players freshmen year." 8:54 seems to suggest other sports require a skill set prior to that year. Gymnastics certainly qualifies.
I stand corrected!! I should have said that soccer is "one" of the sports. Sorry about that and by the way, is it difficult to do gymnastics while watching Dr. Phil? You be careful on that pommel horse and make sure you practice your hip abduction exercises first. Have to admit that you have shown a particular amplitude during this thread.
1:55 - it is very, very rare, today (years ago it happened) for a child to get substantial scholarship money for two sports in a top level program either sport. If the sports are not top level, it is more likely to happen. But, in top level programs (any sport) most coaches that are giving $$$$ wants that athlete for that particular sport, only. No risk of injury in the other sport, etc. And, in a top level soccer program, the girls are expected to play spring ball as well. That would interfere with any spring sport programs such as lacrosse, track, golf, etc. I would love to see it change back, though. Life isn't a dress rehearsal. Gotta get the most out of it you can, including experiencing other sports.
9:53 - maybe better stick with the Brady Bunch. "Gee, Mike, I never thought of it that way." Or, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. Never gets old. :)
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Good advice, particularly if something suddenly comes up, like if my daughter gets hit in the face by an errant ball.
I never thought I would wish for this......SLICK come back,these new guys are the worst...
Soccer season is over keep it moving. No one cares about the statistical bs or the intricate details of GS RANKINGS... It will be screwed up for a while.Best team in each respective state.HBC, IGFA, PENN FUSION, BETHESDA, Virginia ECNL, FC STARS, OAKWOOD.All others are a distant second. Once these teams start playing again it will all change. So keep the chatter going all the rhetoric in the world won't change a thing.
So how many players will look to play at Cedar Stars now that they will have a DA? They will have to bring on a new staff of coaches on the girls side. A lot of chatter about HS soccer, I agree that there are a lot of factors in this equation: coaches relationships with families, number of talented players at the school, style of the play the coach utilizes for the team, outside advocates for certain players in some towns. In a smaller school with less talent Freshman and Sophomores will more than likely make and play on varsity teams, in larger schools that is usually not the case. But in the end it all depends on the talent of the players older than them, so don't worry if your daughter is in that situation, you could always send her to private school if soccer is the only thing that you care about.On a side note, I have noticed a weird coach from a club, coming to watch scrimmage HS games, with no daughter playing on the team. Someone should call the cops on that guy, and there are names for people like that..........
10:03 - Considering the crew on this blog, I would add to your list: Janice - Maggie Wheeler (in character). My apologies to 10:50.
9:14 "Maggie" is at least third on that list. And I'm sure she's a great soccer player too.
Re: coaches watching scrimmages - Blow it out your butt, 8:19.And you're an idiot - freshmen often play at larger schools - if it is a serious program.
Seems like some anger management is in order.
9:53 if its a serious program its well stocked and often freshmen do not play. If its an program that's rebuilding, I agree with you that they will no hesitate to start freshmen. Not sure of the numbers anymore, but it use to be a freshmen could play 20 or 30 percent of the teams games and still go the red shirt route.
Wrong again - just check the top programs in Bergen County - FRESHMEN.
808this is a u16 blog,not u17 ,go where you belong.....those teams wont have a shot at u17,diffrent world my little friend.....
I'm wondering what other parents are thinking about high school soccer. It's painful to watch. My daughter is playing at a really good SJ school. Really good coach. Couple really good players. But the majority of the team is made up of thick aggressive girls with no skill or soccer knowledge. The soccer is horrible to watch. Thoughts ?
Gotta suck it up 8:08!! I assume your daughter wants to play. It is very painful to watch at times, especially when 75% of seniors shouldn't be playing varsity! But the social draw for the girls is immense. Speaking for my 2 daughters, their club ball doesn't begin until HS season is over...Once DA is introduced, then the choice will be theirs....
CHOICE people, stop bitching!!! Who is forcing your daughter to play HS soccer?Choose and move on, no need to belittle another person for choosing differently. There aren't 2 HS soccer programs that are the same anywhere! You can compare experiences but that's about it!I believe cross country and tennis are also offered in the fall....
High School soccer is awesome! I hear so many horror stories but for my children the experience has been great. The camaraderie, the school spirit, the chance to get your name in the paper, what more can you ask for? I think comparing it to club soccer or academy level soccer is really unfair. I have 4 daughters from a senior to an incoming freshman this year. Each has different skill sets. 2 will definitely play in college while 2 will see their careers end once HS soccer is over. Being able to watch the 4 of them play together on the same team for the same cause is a blessing. So I love HS soccer!
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High School soccer is a different experience for all. Some will like it some will not. It is normally a different style of play then what you are used to watching your daughters play for their club teams. It tends to be more direct with a slew of athletes that can run, many don't know the game that well. There also tends to be more injuries in HS soccer, this could be the result of many factors. I hope for those that are playing it is a good experience and they make it through the season healthy.But for those whose daughter didn't make the level of HS you thought she should, it could be a good teaching scenario. It could be because she didn't have the connection you thought she did, that club coach who said he had the shoe in for you if you played for him, and you payed all that money last year for a crap team with a horrible baseball, I mean soccer coach. How did that work for you?
8:35 must be having a bad morning. Multiple posters are discussing the merits of HS soccer and now it must stop? Might have been insulted by the aggressive thick player comment.
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So yet again Cats are only NJ team in top bracket, and only team at WAGS in top 3. why?
Only team from nj to apply?
As far as HS soccer goes. Think about if your girl is in state championship match up at Kean in November? I believe 4 teams head up to Kean on Saturday and last two standing play Sunday for championship. Single elimination, ya never know? That would be well worth HS soccer.
Watch out for Bracket #3's LoudonDirty team.
2:05 What is Kean?
WAGS,,,,LOL<<<<save your money....WAGS is for u14 and under....stick with HS soccer,
Sorry your team didn't get accepted
Kean is a university in NJ. Based on post, NJ state cup game must be held at that site.
Kean University is where they hold the semi's and finals for High School soccer in NJ for state championships boys and girls. If you are up there in November you are going for a state championship for HS.
So HS soccer has a regular season, Conf tournament, district tournament and state tournament? Lot's of soccer to be played during HS years. Good Stuff.If your kid is on a good HS and club team
For a ninth grader playing HS soccer and club in Sept/Oct/Nov - YES - can be a LOT of soccerBe careful.
It is irresponsible to have your daughter play HS soccer and club soccer at same time. You are asking for an ACL/MCL over use injury.
6:41 - It's not at the same time... HS ends then club starts
Yes, 6:41Birth year system has changed this. Up til last season some 9th graders had fall club league schedulesSome clubs ARE participating in tournaments during the fall, with their HS age players, however
There are many freshman being asked to play HS and club at same time. Wildcats are being asked to train on top of HS iso they can get destroyed at WAGS. Let's just all somehow mange to stay healthy but sometimes overuse injury won't hit a kid until November tournaments when HS is over.
2001 team out of Union is pretty good.Played U15 last season and was very competitive. All girls are 2001's they will be u16 this fall. Played in some upper level tournaments.
When did union play on good tournaments? Did they play at Disney, CASL, Jeff cup? That would be a no. They chose to play in the lower state cup; that tells you all you need to know.
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Let's go wildcats!! The only NJ team in the top bracket of jags !
Yes congrats to wildcats for being he only NJ team in top bracket at wags especially considering only 2 from NJ applied and one is a team from Hamilton I have never heard of makes it even more impressive. https://events.gotsport.com/events/teamlist.aspx?showall=clean&eventid=49472
7:00 Classic... 8:47 must be feeling like a buffoon. No one respects those WildCat parents.. They're one of the 2 or 3 worst group of parents ever.
Totally agree 7:49. Combining those ear splitting voices with the two sizes to small spandex pants really makes you cringe during games. Not sure if the Cats dad's should be admired or given some form of sympathy.
Most likely divorced and paying high alimony for breast implants....If only they could "de-bark" some of those women...
@ 9:36, rarely, ever do I comment. But that is funny, being a dad. I dont know much of those parents at all. My daughter guest played with some of the girls at one time or another in the past. And as a dad, we do have to put up with a lot from our girls and wives. As you say, why go to WAGS? It is interesting, considering my daughters team not playing tournaments till mid-November in Betheseda and NEWWS. So in the end not surprising wildcats get nod in top bracket.
Don't understand WAGS for clubs that have kids playing HS in the fall. Unless of course those teams stick together and don't play HS.Big Fall/Winter events on our side of the map - let me know if i missed any.1. Bethesda2. NEWSS3. CASL4. EDP5. PA Classics (have to add this one since they are now GDA and might get a big turnout)6. Disney
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Any local Nj clubs going to wags?
Wildcats are and are looking good.
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