The cream rises to the top. Go gunners,,,go PDA!!
Yes Yes how is that cream holding up? Enjoy watching the Hawks take the final from the sidelines.In all seriousness great tourney for PDA but they still need some players up top.
Well its obvious that you didn't watch the game but they played well and it had to come down to PK'S to decide it. Sure I think the girls will go watch the finals just to see it but it's obviously you were never in it or your team lost along the way before the day. If you want to say that PDA lost and is out sure I'm okay with that but to say that they lost because they need people up top is a foolish statement. Anyway I am a PDA parent out here in Seattle with the team and my name is Eric Harris.
The fields were fine, refs inconsistent, and the town and taxes expensive...
I'm confused. Are Gunners in the final or not?
Now knowing how I write and what I write about, you should know that I would never write the cream rises to the top. Whoever wrote that is wrong and really naive about youth sports. The cream rises to the top comment is sad and reckless. Well if someone from our team wrote that......Humble Pie is good lololol. The girls played hard. All the teams were great out here and the teams that's stayed back home. Bethesda is a great team along with Charlotte and of course World Class. Santa Rosa wasn't a bad team either and although it was a tie it still could have went either way. This is youth soccer and a great experience for all the girls involved and trying to capture that trophy this weekend. I am proud of how the Gunners played because they played with heart and kept fighting. And with that all being said they shocked a lot of you by making it out their group and doing as well as they did. They keep all the naysayers at bay for the week and people waited for them to fail. PDA represented the Northeast Conference, JAGS, MOSA, MID NJ, conferences this week we'll and week in and week out those leagues have help mold the gunners by being in tough games with the Freeholds, North Rocklands, World Class, NJSA Bulldog, FC Bucks and YMS. All those teams helped prepare for this journey out in Seattle. I tell you all back east be proud of the soccer we play because I tell you we can compete with anyone in the country and thank you for letting the Gunners Represent you all that couldn't make it out to Seattle. In final no the creams doesn't always rise to the top but it was a heck of a ride they gave us this weekend. Eric Harris
Bethesda it was a great time with you guys once again. Your parents are some great people and please tell your goalie to keep her head high. She felt so terrible about the Santa Rosa goal. She is a terrific kid and to see that young kid crying because she felt she let her team down was sad to see, but like I said the kids from her team I saw rallying behind after the game along with the PDA Gunners hugging her telling her it would be okay and how awesome of a goalie she is. It's was great and I am glad that the girls competed and at the end of the day some of them have gained some friendships with girls that they hope to compete against for years to come. I enjoyed watching your team play and if you want a copy of the game cause I am the guy that films the game with some selective lol yelling at my daughter......lol I like to call it not coaching but STRONGLY SUGGESTING loll her to do some things. Anyway I hope your travels home are safe and if you are still around let's catch up at the finals tomorrow. Eric Harris
I left Friday but enjoy the final. Saw you on top of the Space Needle (LOL) and spoke to you at Jeff Cup this year.I'm sure we will run into each other next season. Again tell your girls well done! I speak for all the Bethesda parents we really enjoy playing your girls.
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Hmmm ABGC Premiere lost. Guess that throws a wrench into the parent's plans of winning ECNL, USYS National League, and NPL next season. So much for the parent's world domination plans. Guess they will have to find satisfaction trying to beat the traitors who dared left Gus for Mclean.
"saw you on top of the space needle"haha what a small world!
This is hysterical. Who are these people? He must think his children are in the World Cup representing the US. Very funny post!!
There's 100,000 girls playing soccer in the Northeast and we have to hear about particular players, teams, and their parents. We should just adore the soccer goddess?? LOL
Your only hearing about the teams (girls) still playing, ECNL / Region 1 tourney. Let me guess, soccer has been over for your daughters team a long time ago... Enjoy the summer.
Some parents just want to post GotSoccer screenshots with their daughter's team listed as #1 in the country to Facebook so all their friends will gush about their daughter being the next Mia Hand
Yo E, don't worry about what these cats post. Continue supporting your kid, I don't think you are doing anything wrong, this is a u14 board and you are talking about the only thing that matters when we talk u14 Girls Soccer and your kid happens to be playing in this event.I had the Cascadia question for you. I just wanted to know how much of a role the Sounders play in Seattle since they draw over 30k to their games - that's impressive for soccer played anywhere in the world not just in the states.My man DC, I have a world cup question for you. Will Costa Rica be considered the CONCACAF power if we get bounced by Belgium. Since we only beat them during a blizzard and they did protest the game. Of course, I hope we advance to play Messi and then take him out. Are you going to tell me that we stink as a soccer nation and our MLS is horrible, just like the rest of the world is going to be saying if that happens? or are you going to let me enjoy watching the US play and be happy for their success. Now imagine your kid played for a team that played in a national event? Imagine how proud you would be only to have someone like me come along and try to rain on your parade. You wouldn't care, as I wouldn't but it just looks bad.One more thing on Gotsoccer, please tell me you don't use the FIFA coca cola rankings to quote who's number one. If you follow soccer, you know those are a big joke as well. But I bet you everyone in our Country would be talking it up if we were ever number 1.Just my 2 cents.
@7:36 I was being EXTREMELY facetious with my comments.As far as the US goes, YES I am happy for them and will be cheering for them to the last. And YES, clearly they are being shown the way by one Jürgen Klinsmann. Someone who to this day is trying to change American soccer for the better. And all of those German-Americans, they are not there because of their accents...it's THE GAME they know how to play. Or are you arguing these German-Americans (European players) have not had a significant impact on our Cup play so far?And YES, comparably speaking, the MLS is horrible. Or do you actually enjoy, accept and cheer when the ball goes out of bounds every 5 seconds? And NO, I would not just simply be proud that my kid was on the National team. Not unless they were playing THE GAME and looked like they actually knew what they were doing. NOT diving in while defending, NOT getting caught ball watching, NOT losing the ball every other possession because of lack of touch and foot skills. NO, I am not simply one who is proud. It has to be built on something.DCShore
As far as rankings go. I do not believe in them. I always judge base my opinion on watching the teams play.In truth, many of the top 'ranked' teams play a good-very good game. But there are a number of lesser ranked teams that play equal, if not in some cases, better than their 'ranking' would suggest.DCShore
DC I agree with your 8:25 comment. But as far as MLS goes have you ever given it a chance? a real chance. You know by their package and watch games more than 1 a week? For one who enjoys THE GAME and likes to see if teams/players know what they are doing I would think that you have and I'm not talking Metrostars. Who doesn't cheer when the ball goes out of bounds? I also cheer when the Defenders blast the ball a mile away when no one is around or they play the ball back to the goalie so they can blast it a mile away only to lose possession, don't you?How do you expect soccer (THE GAME) to get better if we don't support the MLS or NWSL? By going to a message board and putting it down? I've been to 3 MLS games and 2 NWSL games and also purchased the MLS package to support the game in our country in addition to supporting my daughter's club. I bet you most you post on this board can't say that - maybe they went to a game or two that they were forced to go to. Do I hate ugly play, yes. But I still have to support if I really want it to get better and then some day maybe we'll see one table, pro/rel, a true pyramid, playing in Copa Lib and transferring players.
typo correction I anted to say most who post on this message board
I am a fan of the Red Bulls and the Sky Blue.I go to about 2-4 games for each per year. If for no other reason than my kids have interest in attending a soccer match way more than a baseball match.I also attend because I want to support the effort not because I am in love with what is played in front of me. I also realize that without support/interest there is no going forward. I don't want the league abolished. I'm jut not going to call a duck a golden goose.DCShore
I agree DC - and it's go to see that at least 2 of us are trying to support the game on this board.I wouldn't call it a golden goose either. But with Defoe, Villa and Kaka next in line old or not the players are getting better. As much as I hate seeing this, we also need European and Latin American coaches to further advance the league. I believe as it is today we are number 7 in the world when it comes to attendance. We are going down the right path and our kid's won't benefit from this but their kids might. AND if 2022 rumors are true Soccer can take off big time. I know pipe dream.
Don't Forget book signing July 4 in Atlantic City by Eric Harris author of the book "Cream always Rises To The Top "
@June 30, 2014 7:36am No worries, do you really think I am faded by what DCShore and his girlfriend has to say. Those love birds can just sit there on the porch behind that fence and keep barking but they know they are not built to step outside that gate. I am very proud of my children and yes I am absorbed in what they do as any parent should. Its called SUPPORT. Here we are on a U14 Blog and these dudes are upset that we are actually talking about U14 soccer. I think their post have been removed which I am sad to see because I forget what they said lol lol being that I am just getting back to respond to those lovebirds. I tell you it was a great run by the girls and it was interesting to really see different teams from different parts of the country. I tell you the teams from California I don’t know what they are putting in the water but I never seen so many tall girls at this age on one team. I mean there what another girl that was 6’1” and was a striker lol lol man I tell you it was like she was a woman against kids out there. The soccer community there is Seattle is huge but you wouldn’t know it by just looking. I would say this that every store that I went into even outside the city had something either Sounders or Seahawks in it. I have a buddy that I use to play in the NFL with that I reached out to and see if he had any contacts on the Sounders side to see if I could get a tour of their stadium which he was able to see but guess what I was over ruled and for some crazy reason my daughter wanted to take the DUCK Tour lol lol (still scratching my head) The complex we played at belongs to this one club and when I tell you it was a nice facility it was tons of grass fields that were well keep. I couldn’t believe that it was just used by one club but there were at least 18 fields of 100 x 65. Now I understand why they call it 60 Acre Park. Actually on July 4 I will not be signing that book since I never made that comment but I will say this that was an amateur comment but this I will tell you and your girlfriend DCShore on July 6 I will be doing my normal Speed and Agility from 8am to 3pm at Raritan High School………………ITS FREE to anyone who wants training for their child. Usually from I am there about 8 am setting up cones and drills for my first group of kids which is for kids about 8 years old including my 8 year old. that session goes for about 2 hours then I have the older kids that want training from 11am to about 2:30-3pmish. Feel free for you and DCSHORE to stop by with your children if you like. Like I said I do it for free and have never charged any child to train them. If you have college age children that need training I also offer that after 3pm but that group is usually tough because I have several college football players and one or two guys who are still trying to get signed by an NFL team so I really limit that group to the chosen few because we only work on specifics that might not be necessary. So feel free to stop by before all of that if you want to talk or me sign your copy. I doubt you come for whatever lame excuse you can come up with but I am publicly inviting you to come with no drama. We are on a U14 Blog cant we just all get along lol lol Eric Harris
I hope all you guys can take a few hours today and watch the game either at home or at one of the many viewing parties.I am very happy to see the frenzy over the beautiful game in our country.With players like David Villa and Kaka to play in MLS next year - I can see the MLS growing and maybe helping the NWSL with some funds.
Shouldn't we be cheering for PDA pride, they beat a team by ten points! Excellent development there!!
The team has a history of doing this, They can't win major competitions so they play down and makes competitive tournaments non-competitive for every one who enters. This tourney follows Kirkwood and playing the the state cup second grouping.. It is kind of embarrassing after having the Gunners competing and showing well at the ECNL championships. There is no fun in winning a game 10-0.
It's all about bragging rights! Now the B team can boast about being National champions.
Anyone from PDA want to comment on how playing in a tournament and winning 10-0 is good for player development.
I know of at least 3 teams that were denied entry that would have been competitive. Shame on pda for not wanting a challenge.
@July 1, 2014 8:51pm listen lover boy I am as real as its gets so before you even question that lets take a look at the track record. First I TELL YOU I am a PDA PARENT. I tell you this because I don’t want you to think that I am anonymous but the fact that I am a PDA Parent defending my daughters club to you or anyone else that has a negative thing to say. I like to say its my opinion of things and your’s oh then its your lover boy over at Match fit maybe, I don’t know that’s between you and him. Secondly when I felt that a PDA PARENT could be anyone trying to defend the situation but I know and others knew it was ME all along. Trust me the phones calls I got asking if it was me and me saying YEP but they kinda figured it was me. I further wanted you and whoever else to know that my name is Eric Harris so that you could actually put a name with the PDA Parent that was getting at you. I lastly let you and your buddies where I will be at on every Sunday that I don’t have a conflict training kids for FREE. I tell you all this. Now you ask me am I real……..well there is only one way to find out and that come to training on Sunday. Watch from afar if you like I will be on the football field if soccer isn’t on it. Other than that I will be on the grass. I only say this not for you to come and have me challenge you or any of your buddies but simply to let you know I am real and that I say what I say because I am real and that your opinion or any of your buddies opinions phase me or move me. Now that coffee that you almost spit out your mouth was not that it was too hot but maybe because you saw your reflection in that cup that and it scared the mess out of you that I am actually right about you. See I told you that you are inconsistence on all that you do and everything has to be the way you say it…….because it’s the LAW right…..well wrong I can still laugh at you and know that you are an emotional person or you have emotional tendencies as our male counterparts no offense to you ladies out there but I have to call it how I see it with this guy. Here we are on a U14G forum and people want to discuss U14G soccer and here you are talking about the USMNT……and how you now sooo much about this and that……Cmon man. Listen I rather listen you you talk about your opinion of youth soccer and the differences in how clubs do things which you have made very valid points but all that other nonsense save it. I am going to do you a favor on this and let me go further on how real I am. Since June 5 you vowed not to comment to me and further again on June 6th not to respond to me (lol) so twice you have drawn the threat to me I not sure was it your way of turning your back on me or maybe the reflection in that mirror comment was really starting to set in on ya. Well up until June 19th when I actually said my name all of a sudden you came running off the porch……but never opened that gate lol lol lol. Well listen DCShore you know where I am at on Sunday’s and you know my name and where my kid plays. I promise you that I will not respond to any of your comments about me or what I have to say……..UNLESS you mention my kids team or club in a negative manner. You can call me all the names you chose…..I will not respond to you because you anonymous and you need to stay that way. As long as you are calling my god given name……..I am okay with that but I will not respond to. Now if I respond to you outside of you mentioning PDA then you can call me a FRAUD other than that you know where to find me. Eric Harris
C'mon man, get off this blog, you ramble like a mental patient.
Eric Harris, just curious....how many new girls did the Gunners pick up for next season? Any starters? Any girls leave? I'm asking because they are successful season after season with what they have and I was wondering how often the starting 11 change.
So PDA wins by 10 and you fuss that 3 teams were denied entry and PDA took their spot. Shouldn't you be fussing that the team who lost took a spot. The self proclaimed state champion of Pa gets killed by a "b" team. Really. Only in our country would someone go after the winner.
Changing topics. Lets talk about ethics and youth soccer.Should a soccer organization be able to offer sponsorships on their site.The bigger question, should parents or companies owned by parents be allowed to sponsor the soccer coach's web site. Second question, should a soccer coach accept private training from existing members of his team.Don't both circumstances put the coach in a conflict of interest and potentially provide optics that a parent is paying extra (sponsorship or private training) to ensure their child has a spot on the team?Thoughts?
What ever happen to that Great Kick-Ball team from VA ABGC Premier seems almost ever time they play a good team they lose . Hey ABGC or whatever club you are with welcome to the big league next year ECNL 3rd place at the best for you guys. Overrated kickball team .
DCShore - I personally know Eric Harris, he's the real deal, real nice guy who cares about soccer. My daughter played for Atletica a couple of years back, but got cut. No hard feelings, We parted with PDA and Coach Greg on good terms. Eric's daughter is a phenomenal athlete and has been with the Gunners from that start. Eric is an ex-NFL player (Falcons, I think) Yo Eric, bro this is Alex - hope is well with you, if we're free I may take G to your training on Sunday.
Our team is breaking up. Anybody knows of uprising u15G teams still looking for players. Thanks,
4:39. Maybe you can post the area.
2:29 No, Hershey Elite's other games were competitive, the tournament director could have placed them in a lower bracket. The fact is that when you look at the team's involved in the tournament and where PDA says it is going as a club, it shouldn't be playing against those teams, but I guess that they will do whatever they need to get to a National tournament.
@2:@9Changing topics. Lets talk about ethics and youth soccer."Should a soccer organization be able to offer sponsorships on their site.The bigger question, should parents or companies owned by parents be allowed to sponsor the soccer coach's web site. "---> Tough one to answer. I know where you are going with this. The players whose mom/dads company sponsors the club gets preferential treatment. At the same time, I can imagine that at least in some circumstances the sponsorship does really help keep the program moving forward and more kids playing.My short answer is "yes" they should be allowed but that does not override a parent/players biggest responsibility. Making sure that all of their expectations are met. If poor ethics/morals are evident then obviously it is a bad move."Second question, should a soccer coach accept private training from existing members of his team."----> If the coach is a volunteer coach, then NO he should offer private training for additional fees. If he is a paid coach anyway, he should be free to make a living and parents should be free to opt in. I could go onto my "too much money in the sport" rant...but that is well documented. It is what it is and again the overriding principle (as a parent to follow) is to make sure that despite these scenarios all expectations are being met. It not, stop your checks to the org and move on."Don't both circumstances put the coach in a conflict of interest and potentially provide optics that a parent is paying extra (sponsorship or private training) to ensure their child has a spot on the team?"----> Sure, and it is sad when things go that way. If you are in this current situation I would move on. You will not win that fight. If your org is possibly going into such situation it is your right as a member (well at least in our club it is) to raise your objections and have them heard. Ultimately you may not be able to fight this but at least you can be heard and raising a few additional brows may help monitor possible bad behavior and poor ethics.DCShore
Pride did not win the above mentioned tournament in spite of their 10/0 win
NJ force devils breaking up?
In depth analysis of Soccer tournaments can be an enriching experience. Given that its influence pervades our society, it is yet to receive proper recognition for laying the foundations of democracy. It is an unfortunate consequence of our civilizations history that Soccer tournaments is rarely given rational consideration by socialists, obviously
What was final score for pride? Score not posted?...
Tied 1-1. Went 1-0-2.
PDA picking up that Player from New York considered development EH? Would love to know who moderated this board.DCShore
Looks like a friend if EH's might be moderating. It makes sense.DCShore
Try not to mention specific players on this board.
Dc I think your objective hatred towards PDA makes you sound like a low life POS. Are you seriously telling me that a child needs to stay with his or hers inital club or else wherever she goes doesn't develope?My first child who I didn't know what I was doing played for a small club that had travel but really only focused on intermural teams. My daughter at u12 was moved to the biggest club in pa and developed into another position and played college ball. My current daughter is now u13 and I have taken the same path for her. The small club had good trainers but the teams aren't as deep and talented. It both cases if you ask my children they will tell you both coaches they had have developed them.
Maybe you can't afford PDA or your daughter wouldn't make PDA hence your hatred towards them.
I did not mention a specific player, but EH has and has openly identified himself.I believe you took down my post simply because I Mr. Eric Harris look like the poor spokesman for his PDA team.Mr. Harris, thank you for yet another long and incoherent response. But YOU REALLY DID NOT answer my questions (but I think you know that).I will ask again. Is the PDA Gunners, picking up a player from NY that you cannot believe "slipped through the cracks" part of their development program? Is that part of the promise they make to all of the players on all of the teams?You can call my criticism of the Player Business Development Academy "hatred" all you want. But the question itself is a critical one that needs to be answered. So go ahead. You are the proud spokesman. Also, again, keep us posted as to how many Pride and Athletica players move up as opposed to those that are brought in from other clubs. PLEASE do this. You are the spokesman.That's right Eric. I cannot afford to pay for PDA. That must be 'telling' you something. DCShore
Oh please. I can name a few kids who have moved up from the Atletica to the Gunners at the u12 level, and some of them even start games at the moment. DC, every team will have new players. Can you name a good team that doesn't? I used to think of your comments as insightful and interesting, and now, they are crappy Eric Harris and PDA-hating statements at best.
2:54So, is grabbing a kid from outside the club considered part of the development process? Answer this question directly. And before you repeat yourself.Sure, every 'good' team probably does grab new players and that's the point. At the end of the day they are only as good as the new players they can bring in (recruit). It has little to do with team development. Eric, when are you going to answer my question or are yo busy calling up your coach for a response?Here it is again. Is taking a player on from the outside part of the "Development" program? What part of the development cycle is that? Where do the other kids fit in to this development process?DCShore
Nothing wrong with bringing kids in and out, but the PDA Pride is a perfect case study that without good team and player development, that who you bring in an out really doesn't matter. The team competes in a competitions far below where they should be playing and can't make it through, they can't beat decent town programs with Parent coaches. It's not once, it's consistent. They have enough very good payers to be performing better than they do, that comes down to development. I'm not getting involved in the PDA Parent DC Battle, but we have heard enough times from the PDA parent and others on this blog, that the Gunners are unique in this age group
DC, Clubs develop players not teams. If a club is lucky they have enough talent to develop a good team. Very few (B or C) team players ever make it to the "A" team because at this age and older players are moving from one "A" team to another "A" team. There are only so many "A" players out there so if you are on a B or C team odds are you are not an A player. Doesn't mean you can't become one but the odds are against you at this point. Most quality ECNL teams (like PDA) are only going to add a couple of players a year because there's just not that much talent out there for wholesale changes. As far as development you should be more concerned with your own daughters experience considering you said she is only practicing one day a week. Hard to develop and get better at that pace.
@5:31Your first paragraph is full of contradictions (at least how it reads). I am honestly not sure if I support what you are trying to say or am vehemently opposed.Clubs develop players...but B and C players usually do not make it to A...so they are developing in what way? Exactly how?"Most quality ECNL teams (like PDA) are only going to add a couple of players a year because there's just not that much talent out there for wholesale changes."----> right, so they are going after players...not developing them. Or, in Candy Land terms A Players are 'moving from one "A" team to another "A" team. So you are basically agreeing at "this age" U14 it is not really about development. It's a shameful and ridiculous comment, but it does support my argument. Then again, I'm not sure how to interpret what you wrote? Maybe you are agreeing with me and trying to support what I am saying. If so, well done. "As far as development you should be more concerned with your own daughters experience considering you said she is only practicing one day a week. Hard to develop and get better at that pace."-----> it is written exactly nowhere that my daughter only practices one day a week. It is written that I am happy with my child's development. In fact she is playing in Summer League with her high school team. Playing side by side with two very talented players. One from PDA and another from another "Academy" (no need to name). They play well together. Too bad much of the talent and IQ they are each brining to the team will be stripped away for kick ball.DCShore
DC,Not sure why you have such a hard time with this. Your assumption is that a club will move its own players up from within. Does not happen in most cases. You also assume that because a player does not make it to the "A" team that they are not developing, that's a false assumption. All the B and C team players are developing but that doesn't mean they will develop to an A team player. Look at career backup players in the NFL, why aren't they ever starters (unless someone gets hurt)? Aren't they developing?Some athletes are more gifted than others, some work harder. Its not hard to understand this. Some players will always be better than others. Two kids can train the exact same for a year and the odds are one player is better than the other. That my friend is just reality.
My daughter played for Atletica, both the A and B teams for Match Fit and FCCopa. She's just fine playing for them as she doesn't feel the kind of pressure had she been with the Gunners. Still receives top-notch training in a very competitive and positive environment. So we pay the same tuition on the B Team - it's just the way it is. Don't like the system? Stay in your town team, that's fine, too. We've been there and there really IS a difference when you play for an organization such as PDA.
To say that there is no development within a club if no b team kids are promoted is really Polyanna thinking. ther are far better indicators of development than b team promotion (thats another post) Fact is the b team kids might lack the skill, soccer IQ, athleticism, or more likely even the drive or stamina to achieve and maitain A team status. Most kids beyond the top 5 or so on the a top ecnl team are on a roller coaster of playtime and respect. This can be difficult to handle for both the adolescent and her family. These players might be top five on another ecnl team or slighlty less accomplished team and be happier in this environment and they frequently leave (often right before they are cut)There also often is a trade, the top kid from the other team thinks she will be a top 5 on the top ecnl team (and sometimes she is) and risks the change. The churn then starts all over again. Just the way it is...There are only about 5 happy families on any top team.Absolutely the A team bottom 5 can interchange with the b team top 5. However, the club doesnt see the point in exchanging equal kids. They would rather bring in a kid who is lesser known because they might not be a bottom 5 player with additional formal training or might bring something that is lacking to the team. Further if their bottom 5 are content and not poison on the sidelines, even more likely that they wont be exchanged for a b team kid whose family has been resentful and whining for years that she is better than x,y,z A team player. Fact is the club knows well the ability of the b team kids and rarely does a kid experience a leap in development substantial enough to warrant an experiement with the A team. If a b team kid truly is a late bloomer, the best clubs are more than happy to promote from within; it just doesnt happen that often. The best clubs theoretically will never promote a b team player because in the perfect Polyanna world, the A team is also developing at the same rate as all of the other players so the kids just move along the development continuum in parallel. The reality is that the A team kids develop more quickly and the seperation increases because they are given more and better reasources and can train/play with and against better players/teams.
10:21 I agree with your assessment of A, B, and C teams, I don't agree with it with respect to PDA because the DOC has told us directly that they will strive for promotion when kids are good enough. So far there have only to have been a couple of times that promotion actually occurred I view it as lip service to keep people with a carrot to keep interested in playing for a lower team. In most cases it has been a few games rather than actually being promoted to the Gunners. It is a bit absurd that the carrot gets dangled but they rarely give kids a nibble. PDA is a different situation as well because not all of their teams pull from the same geography.
I genuinely hope that all of the replies above HAVE NOT come from actual PDA staff. My guess is Eric Harris (and maybe one other person) has done more to damage the reputation of PDA than any other message board or group of people could ever have done.Thank you for your written testimony that "acquiring" players, "A" players from other "A" teams has nothing to do with development.DC Shore
RUmor has it that Tim Howard's parents were on the USMNT Soccer blog immediately after the getting through to the group stage to report the score an d debate with people the merits of US Soccer Development. His parent's then came on to the USMNT board with in minutes of losing to Belgium to defend the technical development of the USMNT compared tot the rest of the world. His parents then went on to defend leaving Landon Donovan off the squad saying that sometimes B team players just have to accept that they are not good enough.The Howard's were offered the opportunity to have dinner with the son and celebrate his world cup performance, but they declined saying "nah man I have to to go write on a blog for those cats rather than being a bit humble.
DC shore if your kid is really an A team player and has ambition to play D1 in college you may be doing her a disservice by keeping her on whatever team (have you identified her affiliation) you so aggressively defend. If she does have these goals, then you need to get her on a team that will participate in at least the top 2 flights of major tournaments (FC Stars, Jeff Cup CASL etc)or an ECNL club. Further she needs a coach who has placed players in D1 programs in the past and knows and has the confidence of the college coaches.If she has no aspirations to play in college or D3 level, then she is probably fine where she is.However, to say that there is a problem with development because players dont move up from b to a often at the top ecnl clubs is naive and just wrong. These clubs are developing players at some of the fastest rates in the country. Hence the problem of moving up a level within their clubs. You really dont even know because you havent had the experience to make this judgement. Some of us with more than one child have experienced many soccer worlds and understand more than you do about it. Some of us even have played at relatively high levels and can readily undertand the improvements we see in our children.How about you? Since you seem to be so concerned with the b team kids and mega clubs development, what metrics or even observations do you use to evaluate your child's development?
What are your metrics that "These clubs are developing players at some of the fastest rates in the country." There has been several links posted on this site by people far more in the know than most on this site that support that the US whether at the Town club, ECNL, or D1 level the US does not do an effective at developing players. Of 32 teams in the World Cup so far, the US was 31 in terms of possession. That doesn't say much for the US Elite development.
Here is a World Cup Metric for you. The US between 15-20 million people playing soccer. The population of Belgium is about 10 Million. How is it that Belgium totally outplays the US and if not for an amazing goalkeeping performance the score could have been 6-0? I believe it is development. What you call rapid development, I believe is bring the "scrappy", fast, and big players that are not tactically and technically sound. The US has also lost its perch as the best Country for US Women's Soccer. Germany has been the best Women's team in the last 20 years and Japan tactically outplayed the US in the last World Cup. We will see,with another women's world cup next year. But if you think that the US Elite system is so good, you would think that it would show through at the National levels and the US by far has more girls playing soccer than anywhere in the world.
In a country of 10 million, the Belgium World Cup team has 3 players on Chelsea, 1 Liverpool, 2 Manu, 1 Bayern Munich, also Tottenham, Everton and Man City. I don't think there is a strong argument that Belgium has better athletes. Nope, I would guess that development has a lot to do with it.
You think the US struggles in men's soccer because other countries are better at development? That is naive, shortsighted, and unrealistic.In all of these countries soccer is the number one show in town and kids grow up dreaming of being soccer stars.In the US, the best athletes are not playing soccer, which is probably the 4th or 5th most popular sport among teenage boys. I'm not sure if that will ever change so, unless it does, we all will have to accept it. Talent will beat out top coaching and training any day of the week.The US didn't choose to play the way they did against Belgium. Belgium and their superior skill dictated that the US would have to sit back and defend because trying to pressure the ball to win possession would have been disastrous. Again, this wasn't strategy, but merely the only means of survival. Our status in soccer will not change until we get more of our superior athletes making soccer their number one choice. If you think it's about training and development, then shame on you.
12:52-"Biggest club in Pa"?? Who is actually the biggest club in Pa.
I and a lot of other people in the know believe that the US has a screwed up training and development system, from pay-to-play, to emphasizing athletics over skill, to closed systems of competition in the MLS down to the youth level. There has been enough published about that to find what people are saying about US soccer and the development culture. Yes I do believe that it has a lot to do with development, and it has to do with no embedded soccer culture, and no pick-up soccer.The US has 40X more kids playing soccer than in Belgium, are you saying that in that 35:1 ratio we do not have athletes playing soccer of equal quality to Belgium. That is ridiculous to think.
DC Shore.I am curious. Does your team develop players that were not "A" type players into A type players?If so, how many players have they developed into "A" type players from u13 up?To develop an A type player doesn't the initial talent have to be there first?Does your Club get many A type underdeveloped players? Or do they turn B talented players into A type players?I am curious to hear your answer.Also If they don't turn every "B" talented player into an A type player, what would be the reason for failing in this endeavor?I am not a PDA parent but would like to hear your answer. I can speak from my experience on the matter.I have 3 children of different talent levels that have gone through the youth soccer system.
"Also If they don't turn every "B" talented player into an A type player, what would be the reason for failing in this endeavor?"----> No, they don't turn every "B" player into an "A". If for no other reason than that may not be the individual team goal or philosophy.From my own personal observation many teams/orgs fail in this regard because of a weak program to start of a lack of execution on a strong program. My personal philosophy is that you are either about winning or developing at the youth level. You cannot 'truly' be about both. Hence my criticism about Academy teams stocking teams full of the best players and athletes, providing them quality training but always ready to pull the plug if the next best thing becomes available. Same goes with lower Academy and Club teams continually using guest players in order to achieve results. It's no wonder we can not field a decent national team with this kind of mentality."I am not a PDA parent but would like to hear your answer. I can speak from my experience on the matter." "I have 3 children of different talent levels that have gone through the youth soccer system."----> I'm not a PDA parent either. I am speaking from experience as well. I have multiple children in the sport. Played it growing up and get to hang with some professional heavies around the game now.I did my best.DCShore
1:55 is exactly right.We have plenty of athletes playing soccer. We just do not have enough playing THE GAMEDCShore
@12:15Look at what you wrote!!!!!"You think the US struggles in men's soccer because other countries are better at development? That is naive, shortsighted, and unrealistic......The US didn't choose to play the way they did against Belgium. Belgium and their superior skill dictated that the US would have to sit back and defend because trying to pressure the ball to win possession would have been disastrous. "So you set this up nicely. You yourself admit that Belgium with their "superior skill", not athleticism, dictated the game to the US. Yet your answer is for the USMNT to call up more athletes? Develop more athletes?How about DEVELOPING some skilled players?DCShore
@9:56Your are exactly right.Our WNT has lost its athletic edge and now those teams that were or have developed into more technically sound players are outplaying our athletes.I loved the fact that our Womens team was so dominant back in the day. It should have been a springboard to get folks excited about the sport, learning the finer nuances, and putting together a National development program. Instead it became a pyramid scheme for people to make money.It's sad but true. We missed the initial opportunity hopefully we do not let it slip into an abyss like it did for the MNT for all of those years in the late 50's, 60's and 70's. It can happen. Look at a country like Hungary. Once soccer masters...now a complete joke.DCShore
DC You still havent given us the metrics you use to assess development.
@July 5, 2014 at 10:01 AMAre you asking if I watch a game with a stop watch notating sprint times and speed on runs? Tracking 50/50 wins? The number of completed passes? Passes intercepted? Etc.?The answer is that NO, i do not. At the end of the day, and I have always maintained this. You watch the player/team play. Are they making good decisions? Are they covering the right spots on the field depending on the situation? Do they have comfort with the ball at their foot? Are they holding shape? Are there any intangibles to their game? Etc.I'm not staying that collecting stats is useless in fact in some ways it is very interesting to look at. But stats alone do not tell the full story. So much of what a player/tea does is determined by their opponent and game circumstances. When finding soccer homes for my children, I would always watch the team play first.How does the team play? How does subbing work? Do some players not come off the bench? How do they handle winning? Losing? What do the parents say/do on the sideline? What do the coaches say/do on the sideline.These are the critical elements I look at.DCShore
One of the problems in US development is the win first mentality at the earlier age groups. There is also a preference for strength - bigger, strong, less technical players over smaller, faster, technically savvy players. Look at Messi. In the US system, He would probably would have been considered too small by most coaches and assigned to a B team. If he did get to an elite team, the coach probably would have told him, he runs too high and needs to change how he runs with the ball. Then they would have told him he can't take that many touches with the ball because other players would be all over him and he would lose the ball....so he needs to one touch it to another player.Think I'm kidding. I'm going thru this first hand.
@July 5, 2014 at 10:36 AMYep. No doubt.Look at it this way...we still have players on the National Teams Diving In on Balls as a rule as opposed to an exception. 15+ years of hearing "pressure, pressure, pressure..." and "you gotta want it" will do it to ya!Look at the MLS. How many times can you watch the ball go out of bounds? How many through balls to nobody? I don't see a lot of good thinking from many of the players. I bet their sprint times are world class though :)DCShore
DC Shore, I want your opinion on this? Our current team only plays the original 11-12 players that have been on the team for a long time. My daughter plus another 5 players are leaving since they only play 5-10 minutes a half. These players attend practice regularly, particpate in extra training, and pay the same amount as other players. When we first joined the team they only had 12 players and they brought in 6 players. So is this fair to the development of players to play only 5 minutes? As it turns out this season they are looking for players again since their roster is down to 12 players again. What type of team do you recommend we look for to avoid the same again. Thanks
No doubt the best WC teams have a technical possession game vastly superior to the US's. That said they also all have speed and athletes as well. If you look at all the top scorers they have sick speed and run like that all game long (athletes).
Speed and Agility this Sunday if your interested at 9:00am for the younger group and 11:30 for the older group I will be doing it at Raritan High School419 Middle RoadHazlet NJ 07730Eric Harris
DC you know your soccer history - the Hungary comment proves that to me Bravo. So you know a little something (a lot) about the GAME. I agree if we opened it up early against Belgium they would have crushed us - I hate saying that because I am a big MLS guy and thought we bridged the gap a little. In the foreign system, they develop some players but most of the time the better players find them. They leave their small village teams to play for a bigger town tam then they leave that town team to play for a city team and the really good ones eventually make it to CLUB. That doesn't happen in the states. US Club soccer put a league together to attract the best players, but it still doesn't because you still have people putting it down. US Club soccer is trying to build a pyramid for the kids. Until we have one system with one avenue to develop true SOCCER players not kids just looking for some money for college we will have this issue.
11:20 You are right, and the best player is an athlete that has the technical capability. The US has more kids playing soccer than anywhere else in the world, I tend to believe it is a development issue not an athletic one, I don't believe that the US has to make a trade-off between athletes and technical ability, but you do not see it with other countries. Belgium in this World CUp is a great example. Do you really think that Belgium with 10 million people, which is half of the amount of people than the US has kids playing soccer has far superior athletes in soccer that are being developed. The Netherlands are also a great example of a small country that constantly develop great soccer plays.
11:33 I totally agree with you. What I was trying to say earlier (11:20) was at this level they are all sick athletes so that is a wash. There are players with a speed edge, or a great finisher that can make a difference but all in all the team that controls the game by possessing the ball creates more opportunities and chances to score. My daughter has played for 2 clubs and both were trying to teach the right things, unfortunately for (most) parents its a long process and lots of losing at the youth level. A number will just take their kid to a club that "wins" and that is where it starts to break down. In the US everyone wants to win and win now not in two or three years, so in reality youth soccer mirrors the culture and intellect that currently prevails in the US. Go to a U10 game and watch the parents screaming at a ref about an offsides call… College is just an extension of what youth soccer is producing. Until the US (public) understands the game at a higher level I doubt we will see much change at the youth and college level. It will take an educated public to force a change of that magnitude.
Guys, it's the teachers. It's simple. We have all these kids learning the game from Baseball & Football coaches/parents. OF course you have to be a superior athlete to play at the international level. But why are they more technical? Because we have the MLS for approx 20 years. If the NASL could have survived the COSMOS would have been a global brand the NASL would have been the league to attract the best players and coaches from around the globe. What good is it if we have all these athletes and each are being told this the way to go - USYSA, US Club, USL to name a few. Instead of having all these great athletes come together and train together to push each other - we ARE all about the MONEY. US Club soccer I think is trying to build a pyramid. Rec >>>> Trave >>>> Premier League >>>> NPL >>>> ECNL!!!!!! It's a clear path to put kids of equal ability together. But NO this is not good enough - so we have local leagues >>>>> local premier leagues >>>>> region 1 leagues >>>> National a leagues >>>>> SO now we have two paths each telling us their path is the right approach. We have athletic kids learning the game - but we don't have TEACHERS teaching them the game. At least you can find soccer on TV now and the kids can try to be creative on their own.Look at Jurge, in a short time I thought he did wonders with what he has. We need more top European and Latin coaches teaching the game of FUTBOL not Baseball & Football Coaches/parents teaching the game.Just my 2 cents
PS. E that was no knock on you.
No worries see I'm comfortable in my skin and what you say is 100% correct so....I'm over here reading it and shaking my head in agreement with your words. Eric Harris
PSS. We do have more coaches that have played the game teaching SOCCER sorry that I used futbol that's so non-american. My bad. But the problem is these coaches come with a price - the good coaches won't take the bad teams or the young teams for little to no money just to teach the game and I understand that Soccer is not huge they need to work and make money so they go to the Academies and that's why they are so expensive. On the Boys side it looks like the USSF Academy teams will all be for free at some points on the girls side we have a long way to go when you have bench players on a NWSL team making 6k a year. But I'm sure we have youth soccer coaches making more than that.Okay it's a nickel not 2 cents
@July 5, 2014 at 11:11 AMI hate to say this but you are probably looking at one of the more difficult times to look for a new team given the time of year and age of the players. Many teams have already had their tryouts, some are not even playing in the Fall because of High School and most importantly many teams have shut down so it is tough to watch them play.You did not provide a lot of detail about the actual training and such though so it is really tough for me to make such a call but with what you provided it does not sound like a great environment. I guess a big part of the equation should be why the turnover? Is the training dynamite but the playing time not equitable? Is the coach cutting players who are not performing? As far as finding a team my advice is fairly simple and consistentWrite your priorities down. How important is development on a scale of 1-10. Winning?Playing time?Is the goal to learn the game and see where it takes her (if anywhere)? Or is it playing D1 or bust?See if these priorities match that of the coach and team you are looking at. Again, try and watch them play. How are the players interacting with each other? Parents? Coaches, etc.NEVER SETTLE...but at the same time NEVER be a pain/thorn to the team and/or coach. Move on if your expectations are not being met.Truth be told there are many more bad places to play than good. That includes the club we belong to. From a financial perspective, assuming all of your expectations can be met it comes down to how much you might be required and/or willing to pay.DCShore
@11:31Even in my advanced age I am trying to still act like a sponge and soak up as much as I can. I attribute most of the current US Soccer woes to a poorly framed system that is invented purely by the profit motive (hence very closed). Any serious changes, changes you and I would both agree with, would put a lot of the current guard and tournaments out of business. EVERYONE is trying to make a buck in soccer now. Remarkably, there is still a lot of money being thrown at the sport from parents. As someone else alluded to, a successful parent should be able to buy a Porsche, not purchase was league their child plays in.How many "speed and agility" schools, trainers also depend financially on this mentality? It's going to be tough to break this. Too much working against folks like us.@11:33 and 12:34Agree with many of your sentiments. DEVELOPMENT is about patience. It's about letting players develop over time. Physically, skill, tactics. etc. How many players are told at 8, 9, 10 , 11, even 15 years old "you don't have it". It's really insane to be part of such a thing especially if your program is about development. But we all know in truth most programs and parents are about winning. How's that working out for the National teams?Those who think we are at an athletic disadvantage do not understand THE GAME. They have limited their exposure to what they see with their child's team and/or what their coaches/club is telling them.DCShore
@12:42I actually expounded above before your post. Yep, we agree. Follow the money and see where the top of the problems are.It can change but most parents do not have the time or resources to know better. It's understandable as we are all so busy and not every one has the same background and passion for the support.VERY HEALTHY soccer talk going on here. Not one mention of "Does anyone know the score of...?" "Did anyone hear about how Team XYZ did?" or "What Wrong with Team ABC?" talk.Proud of this board!DCShore
I think we all kind of know what the cause is but how in the world do you fix it in a country so big?I would love for the clubs that are not academies of a pro team to affiliate themselves with a school. This way the school can start training the kids at u9 all the way up to when it's time to play for the school, they can use the money the parents payed into the club to decrease the tuition and the parents can pay the remainder if they are going to that school just for academics and if the kids make the rosters they can go to school for free.u9 $2ku10 $2ku11 $2ku12 $2ku13 $2ku14 $3ku15 $3ku16 $3k u17 $3ku18 $3kThat's $25k that goes to the school.For the kids that don't make the team they pay tuition - $25kFor the kids that make the team they play on a scholarship (the school already made $25k)And we can work out some transfer details to make sure the school's don't get short changed.This I believe would improve College Soccer a bunch. Its not perfect it may not even work - but it's me putting an idea down to try.another nickel from me.
If the US was able to develop a couple midfielders like Argentina - they would be able to keep possession and control the game. The problem is that Argentina midfielders aren't running around out of position putting "pressure....pressure" and trying to push girls off the ball so they can steal it. Argentina midfielders are using skills and speed to win the ball. That would be frowned upon at 95% of the teams in Northern Virginia. Most coaches desire 6 footers who you can't push off the ball and who can kick it a mile.
@2:08Interesting. I have to digest that a bit. @3:26I can only agree.How about a player like Bastian Schweinsteiger from Germany. Cool as a cucumber. Patient defending. Smart timed runs. Far form GO, GO, GO mentality of American midfielders. Running around like idiots chasing everything down to the players shooting foot.Some have argued that Bradley was misplayed by Klinsmann. That is certainly for discussion. But I was not surprised to hear that he had led the tournament in distance covered up until the time the US was eliminated. DCShore
I have posted links to this website and these guys before. They think winning is key to dvelopment:http://blog.3four3.com/2010/12/11/winning-vs-soccer-development-really-thats-the-problem/http://blog.3four3.com/2010/12/11/winning-vs-soccer-development-really-thats-the-problem/
On that topic. There was an article floating around about a year ago (need to see if I can find) about a European player who as a kid barely made the reserve team. The coaches were high on so many players above this kid. As a adult, this kid is the only one playing professionally. I think this was in the Netherlands. I need to check my email and old Facebook posts to see if I can find the article. But it definately countered the CW that by age 15 you could tell pick the future stars.
Here is the articlehttp://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/getting-it-right-why-talent-selection-doesnt-work-well-enough/#.UsNyVGcwiSs.aolmailIn 2010, that last boy picked, Simon Kjaer (pictured above), was a starting center back in Denmark’s first game of the 2010 World Cup in South Africa against the Netherlands. Since 2004, he has appeared 30 times for Denmark, and played club soccer for Palermo and Roma in Italy, Wolfsburg in Germany, and currently plays for Lille in France. Not too shabby for the kid no one wanted at age 15.Six months after Simon Kjaer took the last roster spot at FC Midtjylland, the club director collected the eight staff coaches in a room, and handed them all a piece of paper. They were asked to list the five current players (out of 16 on the roster) most likely to advance the furthest in the next five years. The results were then sealed in an envelope and locked away.Five years later, shortly after Kjaer was sold to Palermo for a tidy $6 million transfer fee, those results were opened. Not a single one of the highly qualified, UEFA “A” Licensed coaches even had Kjaer on his list!
Yeah stories like that are a dime a dozen. Neven Subotić played for the USA in the FIFA u17 world cup and also played two games for the U20 NT. He wasn’t picked for the u20 World Cup and was told he wasn’t good enough. So he switched and played for Serbia instead. Can you imagine having him as one of our CBs and Giuseppe Rossi who began his career with the Clifton Stallions also playing for the USA. Those would be two nice additions. Rossi left because he picked the better nation, Subotic left because he was told he wasn't good enough.
I think the physical geometry and climate of the US limit the comparison between us and the European countries. A large part of our population is excluded from ECNL, etc. I'm sure large portions of the country dont have adequate indoor facilities to train in when it's too cold (5 months of the year) European countries don't have to deal with these limits. Just a thought
1:52 That would be true if the US population was concentrated near metropolitan areas. 85 million of the 300 million people in the US live in Florida, Texas, and California. 50+ million people live in NY, Pennsylvania, CT. Mass and NJ where there are several ECNL clubs and likely ample financial resources for Indoor training. You can also add NC and Virginia as well and temperate climates like Washington and Oregon and you've covered more than 2/3 of the US. NJ training typically goes from late Feb/March through November for clubs that do not do indoor training. And although the extremes of parts of the US may not be there in Europe the Weather isn't great in Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, etc for kids to be training. I think that you'll find that the state with either geometry, climate and I will add financial resources, are not like the states wher you will find high population centers.
Geometry? I'm completely lost. Please elaborate.
Abby Wambach came from Rochester NY - the coldest city in CONUS without an ECNL team.Weather, ECNL has very little to do with developing quality players. Soccer politics, Coaching conflicts, Big Money, Preference for size over techniques - those are much larger factors in US soccer.Even on the girls side, our athletic advantage is declining. We need to develop technical players.What if the US was able to develop a player like Marta on the girl's side or Messi on the boy's side. A player who can hold the ball, attack 1v1, break another team's defense down. Focus the backline's attention on them, leaving their teammate open or being able to take on 2 and 3 defenders and still getting a quality shot. In the current system, dribbling is risky because even the best player makes bad decisions when they are young or loses the ball 25% of the time. Coaches freak. They need to win to keep the parent's happy so they can make money.soccer is big money. development is secondary.
Here demonstrates the problem....In Virginia, my daughter played for VSA. VSA was coached by a South American. South American soccer is footskills and dribbling. The team didn't win at U9 and U10, but the club developed possibly the two of the best dribblers in the area. Two former college coaches came in (one as technical director, the other to coach the team) - they supported the style. But the coach left to make more money at another club.Last year, went to an ECNL team coached by a European. Wanted physical players and one touch passing. So my daughter felt she couldn't take more than 2 touches on the ball or break down a defense.Conflicting coach styles due to international coaching influences. Depending on the type of coach you get (US, Europe, Africa, South America) - you could different training and coaching.There is no US style of play. While they try to standardize training - each coach focuses on specific items they view as key to winning. Which is the real root cause. It is all about winning. Not about making mistakes, learning and developing. Win, because club pride and rankings and points are key.
Totally agee that the coach dictates the style of play and choses players that fit that style. Therefore if you have a small technical dribbler who can hold the ball and break down defenses off the dribble or with a great pass, you must find her a match with a coach who supports her abilities. Otherwise she will become fearful and turn into just an undersized player coming off the bench. You must find the right team for this type of player; without the confidence to take players on and beackdown defenses she will be mediocre. Dont let her lose her mojo. The other question is she small because her parents are small or is she small because she is physically immature and you can expect catch up growth in the next year or so.
Good luck to Freehold in the US Club Nationals.
July 8 - 2:13am. Coaches will value different other skill sets over others. It is not correct to assume a coach enjoys a certain style based on there country of origin. When people say European coach, they are unaware that there are many different styles of play across Europe. Also, I know many coaches who come from the same country in Europe who have very different opinions on how the game should be played and what skills should be coached at what level. I agree that finding a coach who supports your daughters style of play is a key component of deciding what team to play for....just don't make the mistake of assuming a European coach would not work based on coaching style stereotypes.
Anyone who has watch an 8 yo-11 yo game knows where the bad habits are being developed and then fostered in the older ages. Coaches play a game where big kids muscle through and fast kids run as fast as they can with ball. Those kids dominate and coaches do nothing because it is easy to win at the young ages with fast strong kids. We create bad habits early and coaches continue it later on.
It is actually really sad because these big/ and or fast/ and or early puberty kids are now starting to be left in the dust. They are left wondering what happened and many lose any passion they once held for the game. Only if they maintained focus on technical development will they continue with their success at the highest levels. they will remain successful at travel and high school where the defenses will never match them. The superstars are no longer shinning bright in the higher level game and the technical kids are beginning to have their day. No one can argue with results. many of the smaller technical kids are starting to catch up in size and I enjoy watching them slice and dice through a defense and score with much more regularity than the "athletic" beasts now that the higher levels' backs are matching the previous stars size and speed.
7:50 My daughter is now about 5'5'' or 5'6''. When she was younger, she was on the small side. That is what we did, take her back to an old coach whose definition of possession style allows for multiple touches on the ball if space is available and will give her an opportunity to make mistakes.That was the problem on the ECNL team. When she is aggressive with the ball at her feet. She is creative and effective at helping the team attack. Simple one touch, she can do it, but doesn't stand out or significantly help the team.You are correct, I can't assume every coach's point of origin dictates style. One of the college coaches was English and he let her take as many touches on the ball as needed. Not every player can dribble and break down other players. But the ones who can are really effective and we need to see how far she can go with it.The good news is the new team is super excited. At tryouts, she was running around the field stealing the ball from anyone who came in the middle and dribbling it deep into the attacking third. Everyone (coach, parents, and players) recognize the skill and think it can help the team achieve new heights.The clincher for me was she came off the field and said this was the first time this year she wished practice never ended. She is back enjoying the game. That is all that counts.
1029A little trouble following you. Did your child start at an ECNL team, go back to a local team which supported her style of play, grow to above average size and is now on a new team for U15? Is the u15 team an ECNL team or region 1 team? Has she been able to move back up the pyramid with her new growth and well developed skills?
10:29 - First let me say congratulations to your daughter, sounds like she is having fun and found a new home. That said I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "multiple touches on the ball?" If your daughter was slicing and dicing players at will at the ECNL level why would she (or the team) want to part ways? Any good coach will instruct players to take open space and force the defense to defend but that is something totally different than holding the ball under pressure. I have seen many U14 high level games (have daughter on ECNL team) and I can tell you when you play one of the better ECNL teams there is very little unchallenged space. The game at that level moves at a very fast rate and most if not all passes are challenged. What you see more than not are girls holding the ball too long and getting stripped. Our team looks to make quick passes and then that player moves to a position to get the ball back and or support the player with the ball. All done as quickly as possible. Regardless glad to hear your daughter is happy - you are correct that is what counts the most.
@8:50AMThat is exactly right. The English style is light years away from the Spanish style. Look at little Bosnia Herzegovina compared to France. Different styles each way of the map and as you mention even within countries there is disagreement. Look at what Pep is trying to do at Bayern and how it has influenced the German squad as an example.@1:34 I agree with your observation that there is little unchallenged space mostly because these "higher level teams" cannot play one and two touch soccer and are only use to pressuring teams off the ball in order for them to win it and then try and outpace other teams. As you mention with your team, a team that knows THE GAME can slow the game down quite a bit. Look at what Germany does once it gets a lead. All the pressure in the world barely gets to them because they know THE GAME and can switch tactics very quickly and efficiently. In Spains reign they barely got touched when holding the ball. It had nothing to do with them being better athletes, just made better decisions with the ball and their speed of thought was greater than many of their opponents.We could go on and on but we need our youth players to learn THE GAME, all facets, tactics and techniques, so they get better manage games and react more appropriately to different situations. DCShore
DC I agree with that but for future reference we should stick to comparing women with women and leave the men (teams) out of it. Even at high school games the boys varsity games are night and day different than the varsity girls kickball games. Same at pro level - mens games are like watching a different sport than a women's game. Not sure why that is but I can use our games as a reference. We are not a huge team, below average size but have better than average speed and technical ability. We are set up to play a possession game but struggle against larger faster midfields. We get blown up in the midfield by larger faster pressuring midfielders. Tons of contact that some might call a foul but with older girls and college it will never be called a foul. When you are giving up 15 to 25lbs and to some extent speed you will struggle big time in midfield (or most other positions). I totally agree with you about playing "the game" and am totally at a loss as to why I don't see our team and others handle that type of game better. It's like they get forced into a direct game and the opposite should be occurring. You have to win the midfield or you are doomed. See it at the women's pro level as well, not impressed.
1:34 What you see more than not are girls holding the ball too long and getting stripped.you are correct, most of the girls who hold the ball for a long time end up losing. Optimal word is most. Not all. It really comes down to being able to play in tight space. Interesting enough, my daughter had her strongest games at PDA playing against some of the better ECNL teams when the head coach wasn't there and the club president encouraged the girls to not be so worried about quickly getting rid of the ball because they were making bad decisions.A coach can focus a team to a point where the players are so paranoid about losing the ball that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and strips them of the individual strengths and skills that made them elite level players who were worthy of making the team in the first place.
@ July 8, 2014 at 4:11 PM"A coach can focus a team to a point where the players are so paranoid about losing the ball that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and strips them of the individual strengths and skills that made them elite level players who were worthy of making the team in the first place."----> Definitely. Players (at any level) afraid of making mistakes, usually do. DCShore
@July 8, 2014 at 3:06 PM"Even at high school games the boys varsity games are night and day different than the varsity girls kickball games. Same at pro level - mens games are like watching a different sport than a women's game. "------> I really cannot agree with this. For the most part boys and girls High School soccer is kick/jungle ball. At least with what I see. I'm sure there are exceptions but I believe it has a lot more to do with coaching/team philosophy than gender.As an example, I saw FC Kansas play from the women's league. They knock the ball around pretty damn good. Much better than many MLS squads. At least the games I have watched.I actually do view the game being played the same way regardless of gender. If your point is that the boys/mens are a bit ahead of the girls/women, I am willing to buy that to some extent as many of the programs and clubs have been around longer.DCShore
Does anybody now how EDP is grouping teams for the U15G Tier I. This is an idea to make EDP much more competitive Tier I - championshipTeam Name1) TOMS RIVER FCEVERTON2) SOUTH JERSEY ELITE BARONS '993) LEHIGH VALLEY UNITEDLVU '94) NEW JERSEY RUSH99 BLUE5) FC COPA ACADEMY MILAN6) MANHATTAN SC SANTOS7) ALLEYCATS 99/008) SMITHTOWN KICKERS SCHOTSPU9) EAST ISLIP SCRED STORMTier I - Elite1) DELAWARE RUSH / HOCKESSIN SC2) SDFC PANTHERA3) NJSA 04BULLDOGS GREY4) WWPSA MERCER FC MAGIC5) WESTFIELD SAFC PREMIER FIR6) MARYLAND RUSHNIKE PREMIER5)6) FREEHOLD SL CELTIC7) SCOTCH PLAINS FANWOOD SASP8) GREATER FLEMINGTON SCSTRYKTier I - Superior 1) FC POCONO ELITEELITE '99-02) PIPELINE SC BLACK3) PACHUCA FC DRAGONS4) HFC READY '995) NJ WILDCATSTROUTMAN-ASL6) UKRAINIAN NATIONALSKYIV DY7) MONTGOMERY UNITED SCMONU '8) JERSEY UNITED SOCCERSPARTA9) NEW JERSEY RUSH99' GREY
Based on Spring results!! This will make more sense!!
Sounds good, really does, but be realistic here. EDP will grow this fall season by at least another bracket maybe two. There will be more teams that you and I don't even know about yet that are being formed, combined, etc. There are teams moving from JAGS whether good or bad, they are coming. Plan on about 7-8 brackets for our age group and water downed competition. EDP is taking the JAGS route.
AP at WCFC has been shown the door. What now for the new players who looked for the pot of gold up North.PDA gets top billing by default. No Stallions in the EDP for next year?
Is that true about AP at world class< Sounds like at rumor somebody is spreading for all the world class haters . Has anybody got confirmation of this ?
AP definitely gone at WC and no longer mentioned on their website. I haven't seen confirmation that he was fired or he left for a new job.
The NY blog is saying that he is going to Albertson.
Stallions getting spanked in NC at NPL Finals. NEFC continues to impress. Might be all Mass. final against FC Stars.
That would be tough for him considering. He lives in nj.By the way who thought the stallions are a good team.
NPL Final Standings as of todayFlight A6 (+6) NEFC (MA)4 (+0) Inland Empire Surf (CAS)1 (-1) FC Alliance (WA)0 (-7) Space City FC (TX)Flight B16 (+2) Elite Girls Academy (NE) 0 (-3) NJ Stallions Stampede (NJ) 0 (-6) MFC Fire 00G Premier (MS) Flight B26 (+4) NM Rush (NM)3 (+2) FC Stars (MA)3 (+1) ISC Gunners (WA)Seeding as of today#1 NEFC (MA)#2 NM Rush (NM)#3 Elite Girls Academy (NE)#4 Inland Empire Surf (CAS)
PA Strikers playing in PA Classic this weekend. They should win bit all! No competitions!http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=33217&ApplicationID=2388880
The "state champion" Hershey Elite fall to perennial powerhouse PA Classics 2-1. Can't wait for the write up on the game. On the edge of my seat waiting for the commentary on the 10-0 beating the PDA NPL team delivered. Strikers probably giving kids who didn't play much at regionals playtime or are trying out guests.
Hey Alex Speed and Agility this Sunday if your interested for FREE at 9:00am for the younger group and 11:30 for the older group I will be doing it at Raritan High School419 Middle RoadHazlet NJ 07730Eric Harris
NJ Team in last place. I guess kick and run does not work!!!!! Team MP W D L GF GA Pts 1: FC PENNSYLVANIA STRIKERS (PAE) 2 2 0 0 7 0 6 2: PA CLASSICS ACADEMY '99 (PAE) 2 2 0 0 5 2 6 3: HFC READY '99 (PAE) 2 1 0 1 2 1 3 4: LDC UNITED HURRICANES 99-00 (PAE) 2 1 0 1 4 2 3 5: HERSHEY ELITE FC 99 (PAE) 2 1 0 1 5 4 3 6: STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 99 (NJ) 2 0 0 2 3 7 0 7: NJ WILDCATS TROUTMAN (NJ) 2 0 0 2 0 10 0
Classics beats Pa Strikers in PKs. Go figure.
Quickstrike beats FC Copa in Central Jersey final. Again
Copa tied quickstrike and lost in pks
1-0 final score is what was posted on site CJ tournament.Was it a tie or a lose?
Anyone knows where the pda breakers are playing in spring...jags?
Is the rumor about pda pride true??
Why leave us hanging, what rumor. Explain.
Is this team breaking up? They have a full roster!!
Mutiny against the lies they have been fed for three years, can't really blame the parents and players.
what lies have they been fed ? some girls have moved up . Most of the other girls not good enough to make the gunners ecnl team. They have not lied to anybody there. If you are good enough you can move up . If not they stay and try to improve .
I'm sick and tired of the same comments. PDA ECNL is NOT the ultimate team regardless of what some people may think. Players can be seen by coaches on a top town team, you don't have to be in a top academy and take the BS from parents like the ones that post of this forum. I refuse to go to one of those top ECNL teams since you have nasty parents on the sideline talking about your child like they are garbage. I would leave PDA Pride and get onto a top town team. NOt worth the money and aggravation.
Regardless of how you feel about PDA or Pride or whatever, I would hope this is not true. It's about the girls! Some really good players there, that have nothing to do with the animosity some of you have. With many teams done tryouts and teams already having 18 rostered, where would they end up? Is that what you wish for these girls, no team? Think about the kids when you derive happiness from an unfortunate experience. If you have moved on, you should not carry such ugliness. It's not good for your health. Whether you feel you were lied to, or crappy things happened, not one of those girls is responsible, period! Some of them may even be your kids friends. Jeez.
I doubt this rumor is true. It sounds like people trying to create issues where there is none. There is no place for these rumors. Kind of like the PDA guy who says, I heard this team is falling apart.
Question: How many top level ECNL teams are attempting to play ECNL, NPL, and State Cup including Premiere/National League?
Why is it parents are always trying to change the team their kid is on from within? Put your kid in an evironment where you trust the coach to look out for your child's best interest, that you can afford without griping about cost, and where you can get along for the most part with the other parents. If you dont find that match, move on with your mouth shut. PDA produces quality players at the highest levels. So does Bethesda in my neck of the woods. There are many other teams in the region that this blog covers that do so as well. If your daughter can't make the "A" team for some reason don't fill her head with excuses like "the coach plays favorites" or "the other parents felt threatened by you". Will do nothing to help them deal with disappointment as adults. Every player has their level and they (and their parents) should recognize what it is. Play for the love of the game, not some mythical pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. If the WNT, tuition assistance, or a pro contract is in your daughter's future, it will be there no matter whether she wears the powder blue or not. If you don't like the ECNL model or a tiered club or a town team, don't play for them. Find a home for your kid that works for them and be happy. Love soccer.IF from MD
I think you have an overly simplistic premise, that if you are unhappy with your situation go find a different situation elsewhere. For sure on the US Club Soccer through the ECNL and NPL have narrowed the pool of opportunities for kids. I think that is a very worthwhile debate. 3 or 4 years ago you had a better environment for all teams having the opportunity to compete. TR and Freehold were very good examples of high quality town teams that were very competitive. Their circumstances have changed for many reasons, but going forward those teams will have very little opportunities to prove their worth agains a Gunners type team and I think that's a shame. Also, in the past environment, if you were not located near an ECNL club you still had ample opportunities to play against those teams. I have been through several kids through youth soccer, and if you have watched over 5-7 years it is clear that there are very closed systems of competition where other teams cannot show themselves even if they have earned it. I'll give you 3 opinions of what's wrong with the current structure. NEFC is an NPL club that is the best NPL team in the region but do not have an ECNL club. Because they have been fairly dominant at the NPL level. Second, I will bet you that PDA does not play in the NJ Cup anymore because it is embarrassing and not inline with their objectives when an NPL team loses to a local town team that had lost quite a few players to an ECNL club the year before. Third, I have heard directly from a few coaches that they want to get away from playing town teams because they do not want to compete against teams that play bad soccer.Maybe the pendulum will swing back, but the debate over what what US Club Soccer high level teams are doing for competition through closed systems is a very good debate to have regarding the state of youth soccer.
I think ABGC and FC VA may be trying to do that. I don't think any of the PA teams do it. I don't think PDA does it. CFC might.
I can't speak for Virginia or CT., but I believe quite the contrary. PDA has been narrowing down for the last several years the competition. There are very limited times where PDA is not playing "elite" versus "elite." It is clear from the DOCs team discussions where he wants to take the club and who he wants to be playing.
I like the US Club Soccer debate. I don't think there is nothing wrong with it - they are trying to do something the USSF should be doing creating a pyramid for our kids. I agree there is a level for every player. As the player gets better she can move up the pyramid. There is nothing wrong with that in my opinion it's healthy for the player. It will be obvious when the player is ready for the next level on the pyramid.Tier 1 = ECNLTier 2 = NPLTier 3 = PLTier 4 = TravelTier 5 = Rec.It's simple. ECNL and NPL clubs try to follow the DA standards, so I'm okay with those being closed leagues since not every club likes to play by the rules.PL and Travel leagues can have pro/rel between them to make sure your strong town teams play strong non-ecnl/npl teams in league play. Nothing wrong with that.I don't understand why some parents want their kids team to play ECNL teams? If you want your kid at that level tryout for an ECNL club.PS. It's not a closed system - it's the same system our pros have. Tier 1 - NWSLTier 2 - W-LeagueTier 3 - WPSL (i think it's actually tier 2).This is a closed structure as well.I agree with you that an open system is the way to go and US Club Soccer is trying to do that for their PL and Travel Leagues.If your kid's team doesn't follow the DA standards why should they be allowed in.Do you think a village team in Europe will be allowed to be promoted into top leagues and still play their games on their village field? If they can't they don't get promoted, you usually have a bigger club take it over to play in the league under their brand.I think US Club Soccer is trying to do something right. But you have the money makers (not willing to give up their piece of the pie). SO you have a lot of dirt being thrown at ECNL and NPL, which is cool it's their opinion.I just happen to like their model.It's unfortunate that a team like PA strikers can never play ECNL teams. But they shouldn't be allowed to, all they care about is one age group - where the ECNL clubs care about the game at different ages. And yes people get payed for this as they should I don't expect anyone to do it for free or for peanuts.PS. what's wrong TR and Freehold playing PA Strikers or PA Classics or any non ECNL/NPL team in a PL that leads to a national event to play other top teams?Yeah, they prefer Region1 Premier and National League which is cool. What's the difference playing for a USYSA National Title or a PL National Title? Give US Club Soccer a few more years (they said 10).ECNL is only 4 years oldNPL is only 3 (2 for girls)PL is only 2 years old I think.Travel leagues just finished their 1st year.Give them time to grow. Look at NYCSL taking over NY reducing ENYSA to rubble. They have Westechester, Long Island and the Cosmo joining them. So instead of 4 different leagues, they will all be ONE with a chance for pro/rel for the teams looking for that and the kids can always leave and look for the appropriate level. I can see EDP making a power play in NJ also and bring in top teams from upstate NY, CT, PA, DE and MDGive them (US Club Soccer) time - they are not half way through their 10 year plan. Just my 2 cents.
The system is open for players but not for teams and for the kid who wants to stay with the same team that it has played for for some time and doesn't want to leave. Europe has open systems. There is promotion and relegation and there are open tournaments where teams Premier league teams play second division and third division teams. You describe a US pyramid but it is far from an open pyramid. No team earns a spot in the MSL or NWSL. The ECNL has a board made of of ECNL team heads with no independence so it will clearly be political who gets in and who doesn't rather than teams or clubs earning spots on merit. I posted a while on the crazy goal differentials you see in the NPL and ECNL leagues at all ages, teams and clubs have not earned elite status on merit. There have been a lot of articles posted on this website, a few by me, that point out that the pay-for-play system and the closed system of play as main drivers of why the US does not develop teams and players like you see globally. To answer your question on the Village field, yes every year the bottom four teams in the Premier League get relegated and the top 4 teams get promoted even though they do not play at Anfield or Old Trafford. This happpens in 8 divisionsSince promotion and relegation happens every year in Europe, when was the last time a promoted team got taken over by a bigger brand, I don;t know of an example. Watch the FA Cup next year where teams from 8 leagues enter and watch some of the fields they play on. They do not separate out a Premier teams and everyone else and it is an honor for teams to play anyone from every league.
3:52 "PS. what's wrong TR and Freehold playing PA Strikers or PA Classics or any non ECNL/NPL team in a PL that leads to a national event to play other top teams?"There is nothing wrong with the scenario you said except that if the ECNL is the elite of the elite, there is no National event mechanism fro TR or Freehold to earn a place to compete against the elite.There is no doubt that there is a conscious effort by the ECNL and to a lesser extent the NPL to push kids to those clubs, and to limit the ability of smaller clubs to compete for kids. This is good for their clubs but I believe bad for US Soccer.
4:24 can TR or Freehold Boys play in the DA league? SO is the USSF limiting the ability of smaller clubs to play their Academy teams? They must be doing the same thing as the ECNL on the girls side? Why do you think? STANDARDS clubs have to meet certain standards to be accepted to the league. It's simple. These clubs don't meet those standards so why should they be allowed to play in that league?4:18 I was talking Europe not just EPL but if you are more familiar with EPL I can talk EPL. Each EPL flight has certain standard that a team has to meet in order to be promoted, agreed. So what happens if the team doesn't meet those standards? Do they get promoted? So what does the 7-1 beating Brazil took at home in the World Cup do to that Event? Does it hurt it?What were your suggestions to fix such an issue, did you see mine about college? With all that money these schools have for soccer.Why don't the schools become the Club, so for example you don't have PDA you have Rutgers.parents pay 2,500 at u9 2,500 at u102,500 at u112,500 at u122,500 at u132,500 at u142,500 at u152,500 at u162,500 at u172,500 at u18So every parent pays 25k for their kids to play soccer. If the kids are talented, Rutgers can offer them a full ride , if the kids are done playing soccer they can have their tuition reduced by 25k and go to Rutgers or they can transfer to another school.We have taken money out of the equation, all the money paid goes towards a college education. The talented ones learn and advance their game.Tier 1 NWSLTier 2 W-LeagueTier 3 WPSLTier 4 CollegeTier 5 Youth Soccer.There you go we just opened up soccer for everyone and helped parents reduce their tuitions when the time comes. DO you like? To radical?Plus we scrap the draft - so pro teams buy the rights of the players from the school - the school makes even more money and will concentrate on developing players instead of winning and the teams that have money get good fast.We can make the NWSL an open league D1W-League becomes D2WPSL becomes D3.So you can have investors invest in a Tier 3 team buy some top talent from College and in 3 years they can be in the NWSL. It would work. At least in my mind it will, what do you think?
Plus if we did this on the Boys side we would build global powers - the LA Galaxy will be an even bigger global brand.
I can't speak to the Boy's side because I am not familiar with with. There are many clubs that can meet standards that won't be considered by the ECNL. Yes I'd like to see a promotion and relegation type system, but recognizing how unrealistic that is in the current environment. There are fewer mechanisms for a high quality local teams or even academies to compete against the "elite" even if it wasn't agains the elite. Having played many a game in Freehold, there are actually quite a number of fields that meet or exceed what you see at a PDA or other "Elite" Clubs.Whether EPL or Spain or other European Clubs. They all have promotion and relegation systems and they have tournaments that accept all comers from higher and lower divisions. I'd still like to see an example of a team from a lower division across Europe that was refused promotion due to Standards. I don't think standards will be as big an issue as you think they will be, but we should have some type of mechanism where teams that emerge as the best can compete with the best. That will not happen in the near term because that will require USYS and US CLub to work together. The only other place to accomplish this would be at large tournaments. We know entry into these tournaments at the high level is highly political and one hand washes the other there. No the 7-1 beating of Brazil, it actually demonstrates the point that soccer is won on the field, simply because you put on a yellow jersey and play for Brazil does not make you elite. So my solution is more open competitions, or a mandate that you at least have to play in the State Cup or NJ Cup process if you are a US Club or USYS team. Make it a mandate. and while you are at it, do not separate out the groups. Stagger the groups so the lower rated Cup winners get invited to the upper level Cup tournament. At least then you have one opportunity a year where every one competes in an open competition. Right now, a US Club team has no ability to prove they are better than an ECNL club, this would allow for it, like the FA Cup or Copa Del Rey.I have no issue with your suggestion, but I think that NCAA rules would prohibit alignment with clubs.
I'm digging this last flurry of discussion.In my mind it is clear that what is best for U.S. SOCCER and dU.S. Soccer development is and OPEN system like many have described above.That IS NOT what you have here in the U.S. If you don't know this you don't know anything."No the 7-1 beating of Brazil, it actually demonstrates the point that soccer is won on the field, simply because you put on a yellow jersey and play for Brazil does not make you elite. "--------> exactly right.And in the same way just because you play in "EIEIO" league does not make you an elite team.I have personally watched a few ECNL matches (various age group). It is the same mixed bag that you find in most leagues. Some teams very capable of playing THE GAME, others capable but unwilling and those that are simply incapable of playing THE GAME.I know of at least 3 teams, in the current U14G bracket that were not accepted into this past Spring's PDA tournament because of, and in order, 1) out-of-state clubs were bringing more teams in many age brackets and only came as a "take us all or take none of us" package, 2) Got Soccer point rankings. The same crap PDA parents complain about (Gunner are really #1 and who cares about Got Soccer Points)...well your own club used this as a deciding measurement. FACTOK, so perhaps taking the out-of-state Club teams made for a better tournament financially speaking but at least 2 of the 3 town teams I know of shut out were quite capable of making waves and playing at or near the best of the competition.NO DOUBT so many other clubs and their tournaments are guilty of the same. This mentality is widespread and very common. There is no governing body to prevent this. These 'top' clubs market themselves as such and work things in such a way that the average 'mom and dad' simply cannot refute what they see or are being told. The MORE you look into how some of the 'better' club teams do, head-to-head with some of the 'top' Academy teams you will see the results are quite event. OK, perhaps just in my limited scope of NJ soccer, but my guess is that this may hold elsewhere as well.I've posted links in the past and wish I and more time today to post more but there is A LOT of great soccer minds in the U.S. soccer developing some great ideas as to how we can get to where we need to be as a Soccer nation. Some of the ideas shared above resemble some of the ideas/programs these folks are working on. We can only hope such reorganizations can take place. It's what's best for ALL of our sons and daughters.DCShore
I have one recommendation for US Soccer that won't address the Open/Closed system question but would improve US Soccer and is free. On off season times of year (now), on non-training days, or any time that is sensible, find local fields where parents drop their kids off and leave and no one over the age of 18 is allowed to even watch and the kids just play, and it wouldn't have to be with kids all from the same team.It will be tough to compete globally and develop great soccer players until kids just play to play. In my view, this is more critical that the small group training or 1-1 professional training people pay for or the additional speed and agility work people pay for.Pick-up soccer is the answer to a lot the US's technical skills. It is the only place a player can practice, develop new skills, try new things without fear of reprisal, judgment, etc. Go ahead take a player on 1-1 with a new move you have been working on, you'll either impress your friends or take some friendly ribbing, but there will be no coach asking you to explain what you just did or a tense father staring his daughter down as if she just ruined her entire soccer career.
@ 9:59. This is a great idea & I wish it could be done. Only problem is...who would pay for it. Where I am there are insurance headaches. What if someone gets hurt, lawsuits, etc. The days of kids just playing in the park are long gone. I used to play dodgeball in school (unimaginable now)
3:52 - sorry a slight correctionTier 1 = GotSoccer point junkies like ABGC Premiere in VATier 2 = ECNLTier 3 = NPLTier 4 = PLTier 5 = TravelTier 6 = Rec.Tier 1 is teams who just want to win as many national championships as possible (ECNL, NPL, Super Y, and USYS) even playing Super Y because you can get GotSoccer points for the finals.
Man have the times changed. I'm from the city and we would walk to the park and play or play on the corner (got expensive breaking to many windows). There was no insurance you got hurt you went to the doc, you had beef you danced. Now there is a lot of $$$ to be had. Change is a lot harder to make - unless you have the USSF put out a MUST DO, which they never will. They dropped the ball big time in my opinion with the NWSL. Should have just built on the WPSL ELite Division and make it an OPEN league as it is the girls get paid 6k if you are not a NT player or a big name.Which is sad - we have youth soccer coaches making more money than MLS and NWSL players. Something wrong with that picture.But it is what it is.Have a good weekend All.
@9:59,I agree wholeheartedly with what you are saying. It would be nice to see a bunch of U8 to U12 kids playing on a local field because they love the game. When I was a kid we played football, basketball and baseball everyday after school at the local park. In the summer we lived at the park. I don't see many "pick up" games in any sport with the exception of basketball. My personal opinion why we don't see more of this is because youth sports have become so competitive and specialized. Club this, club that, personal trainers, camps etc. Who has time for a pick up game... Plus at U14 and up is there really an offseason? High school has already started conditioning and lifting in the summer. Our club team practices all year (one time a week during HS season)and 3 times during ECNL season + games. When I was a kid we never practiced like this at such a young age. Maybe now kids are just so saturated with training they don't feel the need to play more in a park, they're just trying to catch their breath. That said and back to your point I don't believe soccer has completely crossed over into our culture like some of the other sports have. Still in the process.
You are probably right and it is a shame that kids specialize so young. It's a shame that kids have little chance to play and practice without fear of judgment from parents or coaches. My guess is that kids would prefer the schoolyard play to all the extra stuff they do outside of their club activities - private, training, agility training, etc. The other thing is that on the men's side, the MLS plays what is considered 2nd tier soccer and on the women's side the NWSL is in a few cities, in my opinion it is poorly marketed and I don't think you can find it on TV. NBC pays $80ml a year for the BPL while networks pay a total of $30 million for the MLS. There is clearly a lot less interest in home grown soccer. Kids have few stars to emulate and look up to in soccer that are American players. So kids have a few global players that every one hears about and maybe a couple of women's players that most kids watch play only when their is an Olympics or World Cup. We get all ec
How many of you guys are watching and supporting the NWSL today on ESP (right now)?? Very good game (8 goals). Cascadia blows us (the east coast) away when it comes to soccer. A decent crowd with very good supporters in Portland, Seattle is the same way. What do we get for a Sky Blue game 1k, 2k if we're lucky? Yeah, it's easy to say MLS and NWSL have no marketing. They shouldn't need to, we have kids that love this game we should find it and support. I love MLS it's getting better I bought MSL live and would do the same if NWSL had one package. That's my way of supporting US Soccer. We support our daughter's club the best that we can and I try to talk soccer on this board. It's easy to point out what's wrong with a system much harder to fix or support when the quality isn't there yet. At least our kids have soccer to watch on TV. The MLS is expanding to 24 teams, NASL should merge with USL Pro - but traffic is a big partner and they are in it for the money (last thing I read they (NASL) are going to add a Canadian division/league. We have many PDL, NPSL, WPSL, W-League teams that we can support but we don't (I'm not talking about the select few on this board that do).So when I defend PDA/ECNL/NPL/US Club Soccer i do this because I see a chance for our sport to change the way things are done in our country.I would love for ECNL u23 to be sanctioned by USSF as D3 on the Pyramid behind W-Legue and WPSL o even D4 if they make W-League D2 and WPSL D3. with some type of pro/rel Closed league or not. At least you can have local clubs join NPL build a brand and some success and then join ECNL and who know some day pro/rel between NWSL/W-League/WPSL & ECNL.Yes a pipe dream. But I will never stop supporting soccer .PS. Score is 6-3 does this mean NWSL is not elite because it has blow outs?
All sports need marketing, the networks constantly advertise what their upcoming NFL games are coming up. Until there is an embedded soccer culture, I do believe marketing and incentives are required get people interested. You may be unique, but I believe that kids like to play and compete, I don't sense a lot of kids are chomping at the bit to watch the next MSL or NWSL game. We keep thinking after the 1998 Women's Wold Cup, the Olympics, and the last Women's World Cup that interest levels would be sufficient, but how many incarnations of leagues have we been through?I've put my suggestion out there, soccer shouldn't be Practice Monday's and Wednesday's games on the weekend and agility work Thursday. It needs to be schoolyard play, the kids need more US identifiable players to look up to. There are only a few identifiable stars for our kids and they are probably almost entirely national team players. As a better strategy clubs need integrate the NWSL into what they do, pay them a few hundred dollars to help run a training and spend time with the kids. Many of these players in the NWSL make a lot of there money though camps and appearances. Let the kids feel a connection with these players, not just Alex Morgan or Tobin Heath or Hope Solo. Clubs should be taking busloads of kids to D-1 soccer matches and NWSL games.Where I differ is that I see many of these clubs having 2 objectives 1) Winning and being seen as having a winning program 2) getting kids playing in college. Why because the record of performance will bring the next cluster of kids willing to pay for "professional" coaching at younger and younger ages. I don't know that clubs give much of a second thought to the broader state of US soccer.Look at the breakdown of the current USWNT we have more players over 30+ maybe even 35+ than we have 25 year old players or younger (I think that it is 5 out of 26 players), as a recent example, compare that to the Men's German National team with 20 out of 33 players being under the age of 25, and I think the USMNT has 6 under aged 25. Does that mean that what our system was putting out 5, 10, 15 years ago is superior to what we are delivering today. IMO, I think this is because 10-15 years ago, girls didn't have the same Academy pressures and the same grind that exists today and the girls that played 10-15 years ago played because the loved it nothing else.Yes, I think the current system is bad and on the girls side where I know more, it will continue fall behind relative to the rest of the world. Why, because from about 12, our Academies grind girls into the ground mentally and physically and the current structure means that a vast majority of girls have limited opportunities to be seen and developed at the highest levels. The grind is true, and all data indicates that concussions, fractures and ligament tears are on the rise in female athletes and female soccer players.
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1:38 I am going to agree and disagree with you on the marketing. If someone likes something they will find it. If MLS is trying to get fans that are not soccer fans well then yes they need to market better.My daughter watches both becasue We talk about both. She knows more about the womens game than I do, she was happy it was on ESPN yesterday. We have gone through so many incarnations of the league becasue let's be real it's a womens sport. The culture needs to be changed but that's a debate for another day. I agree with your comment " I don't know that clubs give much of a second thought to the broader state of US soccer" but if we had a pro/rel system of an open league they would becasue (1) can move them up the pyramid and also make them transfer money for developing their players. (2) I don't want to talk about College sports, we are the only country in the world where college sports is so huge and that is also becasue every sport in every country has some type of a pro/rel system which we don't all are pro leagues are closed leagues. The breakdown of our USWNT is ODP's failure in my opinion. we have lost generations of women soccer players (don't get me started on thsi one). We just fired a coach becasue he wanted to get younger players involved and I agree with Germany is not alone. UEFA has made it a bigf deal to invest in the womens game.I disagree with you about the academies, I think the ECNL will only help our National teams and will help even more if the USSF sanctions them as a DA. This will make a lot of people unhappy. But I'm looking at the big picture and I don't want us being left behind. SOme will say look at the success of the WNT and I will agree they won lot's of games when no one played outside of the states, we have a few teams that give us headaches now and that number will only grow.The grind is true, and all data indicates that concussions, fractures and ligament tears are on the rise in female athletes and female soccer players and this is becasue the level of play. The same can be said obout Tommy John surgeries. The athletes are bigger and faster the games is played at a different level than it was and with that will come injuries. PS. More and more women are playing soccer. I will say again.D1 NWSL 4 regions of 16 teams (each team playing 30 games) The CHampions play in a Champions Cup the bottom 2 in each region get relegated to the W-League.D2 W-League 4 regions of 16 teams (each team playing 30 games) The Champion and runner up in each region advance to the NWSL Lthe bottom 2 in each region get relegated to the W-League.D3 WPSL 4 regions of 16 teams (each team playing 30 games) The Champion and runner up in each region advance to the W-League the bottom 2 in each region get relegated to the ECNLD4 ECNL u23 - The Champion and runner advance to the WPSLD5 ECNL (64 clubs) the top two clubs get promoted to the ECNL u23, the bottom 8 clubs get relegated to the NPL.D6 NPL (unlimited) the top 8 clubs get promoted to the ECNL.No COllege Drafts - player rights are purchased from the clubs. This will make sure clubs are developing talent as that is their way to make money. This should keep parent fees down. just my opinion as a fan
I love the fact that we are actually talking about soccer and potential ways to improve it even if we disagree. On the injury front, I personally think that between the number of regular season games, state cups, tournaments, championships, high school kids are exposed to more opportunities for injuries.We will not agree on the value of academies and the narrowing of the competition. I personally think that the dividing of kids at early ages into elite and non-elite is a going to hurt us and keeping it as essentially pay for play will especially with the cost of all the travel that seems to be increasing yearly will ultimately hurt US Soccer at the National level You can also say that anyone can tryout for an "elite" team every year, but we all know that at these ages teams churn fewer and fewer girls and there are fewer spots for someone who may have decided to play "elite" and an early age.I'm pessimistic about soccers the future of US soccer based on the Youth system. A lot of poor countries are competitive because any kid can play as long as they have a ball, in the US we have made a sport that anyone can play into a sport for the well-resourced. That kind of stratification of players can't be good.
4:45 I am also enjoying this talk - sorry to you guys that are not.I don't argue about kids being exposed to more games, but imagine they played in the schoolyards they would be playing even more games. I think injuries will happen since more kids are playing and speed and level of the game has increased.I don't view the academies of narrowing the field - look at them as more of the police - now you can call them what you want. They are trying to put standards to youth soccer and their member clubs have to meet those standards. Yes it's narrowing the field, but I don't think that's a bad thing. Like I said for every PA Strikers you have 10 hack clubs in it for just the money under the non-profit flag.I don't see a problem with roster spots. If an academy invested 3 years of training in a player why would they kick that player to the curb for a player slightly better - I wouldn't would you? If the player was head and shoulders above, they take the player on and I bet they give the player being replaced an opportunity to try and win some playing minutes back instead of just kicking them out. Yeah some people can say they are doing it just for the money - but the player has the ball and they can fight for their spot back or they can leave instead of just being shown the door with no choice.You forget about one thing when we talk about soccer in other countries. They use the game to get out of their situation. MLS and NWSL don't pay. I can guarantee you this if MLS or NWSL paid like the MLB, NFL or NBA we would be a powerhouse it's that simple. Our leagues would attract the best players and coaches which will only benefit our kids. Just my 2 cents
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8:06 I don't agree with the police analogy because the people that are assessing the standards are people that run clubs with a vested interest. It Is the fox guarding the henhouse.I have no doubt that you are right about that money is a key element in the US position in World soccer on the Men's side. I don't think that speaks to what I believe has been a regression of our game on the Women's side were money is equalized globally. You can at least argue that our top stars do better with endorsements than anywhere else in the world. Perhaps the world has caught up, but as I laid out in a previous post, for some time now, our National Team coaches have not selected much in the way of youth. I am very interested to see how we compete at the World Cup.Regardless, having a system you determine who gets trained in soccer as a have-have not decision and continuing to get more so is not good for soccer development in our country.On a separate point, I believe the NWSL is shortsighted in generating fan interest. For the second year in a row, the NWSL after allow access to all of their games free streaming on YouTube is now moving the playoffs to a premium channel. Last year it was to Fox Soccer and this year it is to ESPN2 which is not available on basic and many 2nd tier packages. This is a short-sighted quest for profit over generating fan interest.
While I am enjoying the posts and their content, this is a U14g blog and few posts actually about that. Find a thread for this kind of VERY interesting conversation perhaps and continue. Now, back to topic.....
The standards are the same as the USSF DA standards and it's only that because the USSF thinks for some crazy reason the Girl's side doesn't need a DA system and that ODP still works. I agree with you our game has declined on the WNT side. We get to see in a few weeks how the u21 Nt does up North, I was actually thinking of making a trip to see the girls play. Just need to see when the girls get to Montreal and then check to see if we have a club conflict.I agree with what you say about soccer being a "status" sport to a degree. But that doesn't mean the clubs don't have quality training. I wish we had a solution for the fees, but that won't change any time soon if at all. In a country as big as ours with the player pool we have and the training we have - filling a roster of 24 should be easy. But I guess we like to over complicate things. Instead of having a true pyramid with the USSF being the top - we have many different branches all promising the same thing.I don't believe having a pro/rel system in youth soccer is the way. While the kids play to win - and results are used to measure the team and the player's development to a degree. I still believe in a closed system with strict standards. The kids need to compete to make these teams or they are left out. There is nothing wrong with that philosophy, unfortunately for us so many people are making $$$$ change well we will never see it unless if it comes from the top and the USSF seems to care more about the MNT than the WNT as I said before it's a culture thing.The tough macho guys, need to accept that it's okay to be a fan of SKY Blue or any other Womens team in addition to their EPL, Seria A, MLS or any other league until that happens our girls will have a big hill to climb. MLS is growing at a nice pace - most home games avg around 16k, Seattle is over 30k and they have the Mariners and Seahawks to compete with.NWSL is the only league to allow free access to their regular season games and it still doesn't generate fan interest. Because lets be real it's a GIRLS league and well it's not cool to support a GIRLS league is it? The answer to that question is very simple. The tickets are cheap, the games are streamed on you tube and still no one goes. How do you expect the league to pay their players? Not the NT player's that the US, Mexico and Canada pays. 6k that's what a player is paid. These girls should get support for following their dreams when everyone is saying to them it's a waste of time.We have how many girls that play "Club" soccer in NJ? and yet the NWSL get's no support in NJ, what does that say?
It's the end of July, most Championships and tournaments are over with the exception of USYS which has 1 NE/Mid-Atlantic team playing. Kids are going into HS and there won't be any meaningful play for another 4 months. The summer transfer window has been quite slow in the U-14 age group, so what's wrong a conversation about soccer.
10:06 this is my point about why soccer in our country will always fail. This is a u14 blog and has everything to do with soccer and what we are talking about.So in a few days it becomes a u15 board, followed by u16 and u17 and u18 then what? Soccer isn't important anymore right?If your kid loves the game, feed that love.I will stop with these posts, since it bores most of the posters.
I don't mind the posts about soccer but the social commentary about the "haves" and the have nots" has very little to do with anything other than being upset your a "have not". Frankly the teams I see play (I would assume you would call them the "haves") are great teams with hard working dedicated young girls giving it everything they have. Not only that, but they are the best players around; period. I can pick any sport and say someone did not get a fair shot so what's your point? Take a look at women's World Cup, clearly the US is doing something right.
OK U-14 topic, any thoughts on the NPL College Showcase in Florida. Are they serious? The currently committed clubs are all Northeast and are mainly the distant sisters of ECNL Clubs, some that are not even strong in the ECNL. Alberston, East Meadow, CFC, FC Bucks, Penn Fusion. Match Fit, Boston Breakers, FC Bucks and Penn Fusion were a respective 11 and 38 in their NPL league.And they are running this the same week as Disney? Where do you think coaches will go.For all of this talk of what is good for US Soccer. if not for world domination what good can come from US Club Soccer directly competing with Disney an hour away and potentially dividing coaches. Why not stagger with Disney so coaches can attend both. Why because that would be good for kids but not for US Club.
10:58 No I grudgingly pay over $2500 for my kid to play at the highest levels. That does not mean that I have to like it. They are not the best players around, you must be from PDA because no one can deny that PDA is the best in the region beyond that, I think you have to look to Mass to find another best kids around type of club. Between NY to PA you can name a bunch of clubs ECNL and NPL that consistently lose to town clubs and lower level "academies." The fact is that US Club Soccer is trying to divide players. I am part of the problem because I pay, but I don't thinks it's good.Cost and allure of being seen by college coaches. If you are from PDA, you have undoubtedly played the Match Fit, Albertson, and East meadow ECNL teams.
10:58 Frankly the teams I see play (I would assume you would call them the "have nots" and "have somes") are great teams with hard working dedicated young girls giving it everything they have. Not only that, but they include talented, skilled, dedicated players....some of the best players around. Enjoy your high quality experience...your child is fortunate that you can provide it for her. I will challenge your statement that your team has the best players, period. That seem unlikely when most players in NJ and anywhere else are not in a position to pay and play for PDA type, very costly, albeit very high quality clubs.
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