Thursday, February 4, 2016

U16G - U16 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 16 girls youth soccer in Region 1.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

Keep your head in the sand if you believe the verbal commitments mean nothing. Only tells me that your kid isn't good enough to enter into this discussion or you would understand the process better.

Anonymous said...

http://www.gotsport.com/events/teamlist.asp?EventID=46787&ShowAll=&Gender=Girls&AgeFilter=16&ApplyFiltersButton=Apply+Filters

Anonymous said...

Universities would have no credibility in recruiting if they pulled verbal commitments often. There are 3 main reasons why verbals are pulled, grades, disciplinary actions, or injury, otherwise, they are pretty secure. It's the player who tends to not honor the commitment not the college although either side can. But given the choice, wouldn't you rather have the verbal than not.

Anonymous said...

His/her kid isn't talented enough to enter into a verbal at this age that's why he/she is trying to beat down the value. Absolutely, most kids would be thrilled to be "verbally" committed at this stage of the game to a school of their choice. By the way, injury is not generally accepted as a legitimate reason to pull an offer.

Anonymous said...

7:54 what does this represent? Can't open it.

Anonymous said...

@4:57
You say “most kids would be thrilled to be "verbally" committed at this stage” Although it’s a significant accomplishment to get quality offers in their sophomore year I would disagree with your statement. I would suggest that parents and coaches should strongly encourage kids to wait till junior year at least before committing in most cases. If they’re truly that good the offers will be there next year also. The girls are still young. Let them explore options while their life goals are still formulating in their young minds. A schools soccer program should be only one of many factors that go into choosing a school. They should definitely be thrilled to get the offers but committing so early, in most cases & in my opinion, is not the wisest path.

Anonymous said...

7:20
This is U16 Jeff Cup accepted teams list
Try copying and pasting...if you care or it applies to you,that is

Anonymous said...

@723

Not true Im afraid. many top schools simply move on to the next player. There are not many schools that offer top 25 academics AND top 25 soccer. The demand for places at those schools is massive as many top players want both. An offer from one of these schools has to be taken seriously and the better you are, the earlier it will probably arrive. This process is getting earlier and earlier. mainly driven by this. I do agree with you that it is probably not ideal, but it is the current reality. A really top player may actually have LESS time to decide albeit between really good schools.

Anonymous said...

@756
I completely agree. Offers expire, sometimes after as little as 2 weeks, and are extended to the next kid on the depth chart. It's na├»ve to take this "high road" of, "if they’re truly that good the offers will be there next year also". There will be offers no doubt the next year, but they will likely be smaller and to less desirable schools and soccer programs. The top 50 are rapidly filling or have filled their 2018 classes. My guess is that your statement could be true for possibly 20 total kids in any given class in the entire country. They have in common that they all been to national team camp.

Anonymous said...

7:20 thanks. Thought you had found some other valuable tidbit, maybe early bracket or schedule assignments.

Anonymous said...

Jeff Cup brackets are here: http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=46787&Group=Girls_16

Probably just preliminary, since they aren't announcing the top bracket until the NSCAA Convention (and the rest after that), and they might take it down if they realize it's out there. Here's what they are in case they do:

Championship
Group A
CLEVELAND FC 99-00 (ON)
FC VIRGINIA ECNL 99 (VA)
FC PENNSYLVANIA STRIKERS (PAE)
PDA GUNNERS BLUE (NJ)
FLORIDA KRUSH 99/00 BLACK (FL)
PENN FUSION SA '99G ECNL (PAE)
QUICKSTRIKE FC ELITE 00' NPL (NYE)
RICHMOND UNITED ECNL U16 (VA)

Elite Orange
Group A
FC BUCKS 99 ECNL (PAE)
ALBERTSON FURY U16 ECNL (NYE)
ALLEYCATS 99/00 - NPL (NYE)
PDA BREAKERS (NJ)
ISA ELITE 99 NPL (NYE)
MARIN FC 2000 BLUE (CAN)
PIEDMONT TRIAD FC 99 LADY BLACK (NC)
SUNRISE STING 99/00 BLACK (FL)
MCLEAN 99 GIRLS ECNL (VA)
SMITHTOWN EAST MEADOW NPL HOTSPUR (NYE)
TENNESSEE SC 18 (TN)
SYRACUSE DA U16G (NYW)

Elite Black
Group A
BETHESDA SC ECNL REAL 99 (MD)
BEACH FC 99G RED (VA)
JERSEY UNITED SOCCER SPARTANS 99/00G NPL (NJ)
CASL 99 LADIES RED (NC)
FC EUROPA HOTSPURS 99/00 (PAE)
MARYLAND UNITED FC 99 ECNL (MD)
SOUTH CAROLINA UNITED FC 99 GIRLS ELITE (SC)
FC FREDERICK '99 (MD)
PITTSBURGH RIVERHOUNDS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY (PAW)
TOMS RIVER FC EVERTON (NJ)
FREEHOLD SL CELTIC (NJ)
VIENNA YS PHOENIX '99 (VA)

Superior Orange
Group A
NJ STALLIONS STAMPEDE NPL (NJ)
CAROLINA RAPIDS 99 BURGUNDY (NC)
ARUNDEL SA PREMIER 99'S (MD)
ARSENAL FC OF PA PREMIER PRIDE (PAW)
OPSA MAGIC (MD)
HERNDON UNITED '99 (VA)
EAST ISLIP SC RED STORM (NYE)
FC COPA ACADEMY G99 NPL (NJ)
TEAM BOCA 99/00 GIRLS WHITE (FL)
MASSAPEQUA SC STRIKERS NPL '99 (NYE)
FC STARS OF MASS NPL (MA)
MCLEAN 99 GIRLS GREEN (VA)
WNY FLASH ACADEMY GU16 (NYW)
NJ WILDCATS TROUTMAN-NPL (NJ)
PDA PRIDE (NJ)
PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD)

Superior Black
Group A
OBGC SOCCER OLNEY GIRLS 99 (MD)
GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 99/00 (MA)
LDC UNITED HURRICANES 99-00 (PAE)
PDA ATLETICA (NJ)
LOUDOUN 99G RED (VA)
MARYLAND UNITED FC 99 RED (MD)
RAGE SC '99 ATHLETICA (PAE)
SAC PREMIER UNITED (MD)
TENNESSEE SC 18 PREMIER (TN)
TAMPA BAY UNITED PREMIER GIRLS 99 (FL)
SJEB '99G (NJ)
TFC ALLIANCE 99 GIRLS (NC)

Platinum Orange
Group A
BAYSIDE FC BOLTS U16G NPL 99/00 (RI)
ARLINGTON SA CHAOS RED (VA)
HERSHEY ELITE FC 99 (PAE)
EUSA EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTER GU16 (99/00) (NYW)
BEADLING SC BEADLING BOMBERS 99/00 GIRLS (PAW)
OAKWOOD SC (CT)
LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU '99 (PAE)
NEW YORK RUSH ROWDIES (NYE)
VIRGINIA RUSH ELITE 99G (VA)
MONTGOMERY SC PANTHERS (MD)
WELLINGTON SC 99/00 WAVE WHITE (FL)
WILMINGTON HAMMERHEADS 99G WHITE (NC)

Platinum Black
Group A
BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU16 NPL (MA)
DELAWARE RUSH 99 (DE)
FLORIDA KRUSH 99/00 WHITE (FL)
HFC READY '99 (PAE)
NEW JERSEY RUSH 99 NPL ( FKA 99 GIRLS GREY) (NJ)
LAGRANGE CHARGERS (NYE)
SEACOAST UNITED ELITE- IS- 99/00 (NH)
NORTHERN STEEL SELECT SOCCER INTENSITY (PAW)
PWSI COURAGE 99G RED (VA)
YANKEE UNITED F.C.HEAT NPL-99 (CT)
PREMIER THUNDER (MD)
SHATTUCK-ST. MARY'S SABRES (MN)

Classic
Group A
RICHMOND KICKERS U16G ELITE (VA)
RICHMOND STRIKERS U16 ELITE (VA)
CHARLOTTE SA 99 PREDATOR (NC)
OHIO ELITE ACADEMY (OS)
PENN FUSION SA '99G NPL (PAE)
SJA FC AZZURRI (NJ)
HMMS EAGLE FC VILLA '99 (PAE)
FC RICHMOND MYSTX '99 (VA)
WORLD CLASS FC 99 MAGIC NPL (NYE)
VIRGINIA LEGACY U16 GIRLS CCL ELITE (VA)

Classic
Group A
FSA FC U16 GIRLS NPL 99 (CT)
STAFFORD SOCCER REVOLUTION 99G BLUE (VA)
PDA FLORIDA GIRLS BLUE 99-00 (FL)
CONNECTICUT FC UNITED NPL (CT)

Anonymous said...

Alby playing PDA B team..embarrassing.

Anonymous said...

Agreed, Alby is a bit overrated.

Anonymous said...

Getting back to verbal commitments, 7 players on PDA pride have verbally committed to Rutgers. The rest of the parents are pissed!!

Anonymous said...

Ably has nothing to worry about!

Anonymous said...

Who has ever said Alby is overrated?

Anonymous said...

If they committed to Rutgers they aren't playing soccer there.

Anonymous said...

"Yeah, that's the ticket."

Anonymous said...

8:41 Care to elaborate? Why wouldn't they be playing soccer?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone really believe that the Rutgers Coach, even the DOC of PDA, would commit 7 player spots to players from one team, and an average team at that. I'll believe it when I see it. Rutgers, ranked #3 in the Country, building 25% of their roster from a team that struggles to compete in NJ state cups. The Gunners maybe, the Pride, no way.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Rutgers Camden and Rutgers Newark.

Anonymous said...

@1224 Do you really think Rutgers are the 3rd best team in the US? Cmon. Had a great season behind a tough defense and a great GK. They are solid and they rode their luck well. The kids that are committing there will be mostly NJ based and not the best ones. You can win plenty of college games with toughness and good coaching.Put Rutgers in the ACC,they would be lucky to finish in the top 5.Lets see what happens next year. I love Rutgers, just realistic about what they are soccer wise. Gunners sights will be set higher.Maybe kids that dont get their first choice will commit there, but I dont think the Gunners have that down as first choice.

Anonymous said...

3:32 #3 or #20, I highly doubt that 7 kids from an average NPL team made up of mostly Sophomores have verbally committed to Rutgers. It would be nonsensical to think that a Division team at a reasonably competitive Division 1 team is going to be tying that many recruiting spots so early. 7 players is almost a full recruiting class. C'mon.

I also don't make the rankings but that's where they are right now.

Anonymous said...

@332 Is it? In state tuition is how much? I bet they can make their $$ go along way with minimal financial commitments to several in state players. I dont dispute where they finished,I just dont see them as the 3rd best team in the US. The college system is totally weighted to an end of year one and done event. It favors a good defensive team from a weaker conference because you can game plan for one game and go to penalties to win. I take nothing from Rutgers, they had an incredible season, but when you tray and make a case like they are Stanford or even ND in terms of recruiting...no sir. Rutgers are very smart to use the local pipeline to fill the roster and IF they get the odd real Blue Chipper like the current GK, then they will be great. They build on hard work and good coaching. Not a roster full of elite players. They cant, because they will struggle to consistently recruit them. I an totally believe these kids are committed there...why not?

Anonymous said...

Why not? I don't find it believable and I think someone is trying to drive a wedge in a team. I think you will be hard pressed to find precedent for a Division 1 team regardless of where they are ranked committing 7 recruiting spots to mostly sophomores and maybe 1 or 2 Juniors. Very few sophomores from highly elite teams like the Gunners get early commitments let alone 7 kids from an OK NPL team. That's it I don't believe it and I won't believe it until I see it.

Anonymous said...

According to TDS, there is only 1 2018 PDA player committed to Rutgers, and that's the Gunners keeper. There are 3 2017 PDA players committed to Rutgers and two of them play for Gunners and one plays for U17 Impact.

Anonymous said...

@1136 ..get one thing str8. Coaches recruit elite PLAYERS. And not all early commits are for significant $$. No disrespect to the PDA U16 programs, but not sure they have any real blue chip players,just many good ones. Maybe a couple,one from FCB and a defender.

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Anonymous said...

Pride parents are notoriously untruthful, especially one of the mothers. I don't believe any of those players are verbally committed anyway.

Anonymous said...

If I say it then it's true - "Yeah, that's the ticket."

Anonymous said...

11:44 sure they are, just anyone associated with the team.

Anonymous said...

Alby will do fine in top Jeff Cup bracket. Coach will bring in players from 6 different states in order to win and to make his two players look good, at the expense of his regular players. The parents are being taken for a ride, they need to wake up and get out.

Anonymous said...

Alby will struggle with any team they play in the bracket. Hopefully they play ECNL as the possible embarrassment is not as great.

Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion doesn't care about the switch. Their committed players won't even travel to this event and will instead be preparing for the San Diego showcase the following week. They will use this event to showcase players who don't see much of the field during the ECNL competitions. Same as they did in CASL when half the u16s were playing up at U17 or in the composite, they will fill the gaps with play ups from the U15s, and kids from 18-20 to give them exposure and a chance at a challenge. The uncommitted kids and play-ups will attract coaches in greater numbers than many of the top tier teams will. TM won't complain; the second flight serves his purposes without issue. Penn Fusion is a great club with nothing to prove.

Anonymous said...

Nice words about Penn Fusion but none of us really care. Did someone mention Penn Fusion in the conversation?

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Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion appears to have an infiriority complex

Anonymous said...

3:10 Your utter disrespect for what you considerer lesser players on your own team is so sad. It appears you speak from a upper ranked player situation but the offensive way you speak of some of your own players is awful. Whether you statement is true or not means very little but your delivery is offensive. We can only hope your fellow team parents never discover your identity.

Anonymous said...

310 Sounds pretty matter of fact to me. But I am guessing this is a continental parent trying to stir up the penn fusion team.

Anonymous said...

Would have nice to see a Penn Fusion/ PA Strikers match at Jeff.

Anonymous said...

The arrogance is unreal...if the "bottom" players are that bad, says much for the club for adding them to roster..$$ anyone?

Anonymous said...

Wait actually I think its 706/1142 who is the pot stirrer CFC parent. Nowhere in the Penn Fusion post does it say anything bad about the bottom roster kids. In fact it boasts that they will attract alot of attention. That's a prop if you can read. Also what team doesn't have a bottom of the roster? Is that a negative term or a statement of fact? Actually the post say Penn Fusion is responsible in assuring that ALL the kids are showcased during the year by providing venues for ALL to start and play significant minutes. What's the horrible dis?

Anonymous said...

4:47 The original post from Penn Fusion was unsolicited and was a response to a prior post of them being moved out by Alby. The response post while appearing to be rather matter a fact really was an effort to downplay the significance of Jeff Cup and therefore making it of no value except to the lesser players. It it not the words you say but your delivery which sucks. BTW I am quite sure I am not from Continental.

Anonymous said...

Really odd not the words but the delivery in a written post ???

Anonymous said...

Somewhat odd but I understand the point trying to be made.

Anonymous said...

Would have been interesting to see Penn Fusion play the Strikers on multiple levels. One is Penn Fusion after playing Bucks and CFC in December appears to be the best U16 ECNL team in PA and there are a lot of former Strikers o the Penn Fusion team now. The question is why the switch? If they were weaker kids who left for more playing time then that would tilt the odds in Striker's favor. If they were stronger players who believed the ECNL offered better opportunity then that would tilt the odds the other way.

Anonymous said...

Strikers holds constant "tryouts". When a player shows up for training, the new girl next to her may take her place...if you're looking for consistency go to PF

Anonymous said...

No PF would never take on a new player if the could provide real impact. Yea sure

Anonymous said...

That's true. One of the best kids who went from Strikers to Penn Fusion was added after tryouts bringing the roster to 20. She left to play with her sister not in support of the ECNL over strikers.

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Anonymous said...

No sure what you are talking about-maybe a different player. The kid who was added after last tryouts is bigger than average. The point was that Penn Fusion adds kids after tryouts just like Strikers do with their "rolling admission" policy. The difference is that Strikers tell the bottom of the roster, after an add or two, that they will not see the field and would be better off elsewhere. Ok in part because who wants to pick up the tab for kids not playing. Penn Fusion's model is different so they keep the checks and just have the lower players on the roster rarely seeing the field. Penn Fusion isn't more loyal to players than Strikers. They are just on a different model. Its high level soccer not rec. Kids and families need tough skins to play the game at the highest levels. All but the best 5 or so kids on both teams probably experience some degree of discomfort regarding their status. Some of us chose not to play the game and keep our kids on more "consistent" teams within a more comfortable level. Penn Fusion isn't one of those.

Anonymous said...

9:39
My bad...I guess the sisters you refer to don't have the same last name

Anonymous said...

Says the dad of the big uncoordinated slow kid on the field. Don't even know the kid, but size doesn't matter unless the kid is 5'0 or under. I think the poster was trying to say Penn Fusion adds players too and kids dont just leave strikers to get into the ECNL because they believe its better. No continuity in high level soccer I agree one of the reasons many people keep their kids in the local programs.

Anonymous said...

"That's what she said"

Anonymous said...

Is it possible to have 2 true statements in one post?
PF does what PF is good at, no doubt. Agreed, continuity in-existent.
Striker players usually leave the club because they are replaced or about to be replaced.
Period!

Anonymous said...

http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/high-school-fallouts-will-u-s-soccers-new-girls-development-academy-bar-school-play/

Anonymous said...

as it should. HS does very little for the elite player other than allow her to play with some friends. Takes up a lot of time that could be spent far more efficiently - doing school work and much more focused technical work.

Anonymous said...

Jan 29th 9:10pm - does anybody know which clubs will offer Development Academy's for the girls?

Anonymous said...

Info is 1 team per state NJ PDA , NY ALB, Conn CFC, Mass Stars/NEFC, NYW Albany...

Anonymous said...

Albany is not NYW. Maybe NY Flash or Syracuse

Anonymous said...

Copa! What were you thinking when you decided to bring JRB into your organization?

Anonymous said...

Have heard rumors of the U16 Stallions losing key players. Any truth to this?

Anonymous said...

Didnt that happen a while ago?

How many are left from Crush days?

Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion is apparently running birth year ID sessions. Trying to pull in talent from the outside and take advantage of the upheaval all teams will face next year. Seems like a smart move to improve the quality of teams potentially. Any other clubs doing the same?

Anonymous said...

9:40am, a better question is what is happening at U16? 1/2 the roster is gone from a year ago.

Anonymous said...

2:38 Did not see much difference from this to last. Maybe you can answer question for us.

Anonymous said...

Jeff Cup Schedules

http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=46787&Gender=Girls&Age=16

Anonymous said...

Do people want to talk about the birth year reorganization? It impacts this age group tremendously. The 99s have to make an already formed full roster of 99/98 players to play u18/19 next year for ECNL or may be affected by a group of older mot experienced 99s dropping down to potentially take starting spots and status from the previously dominant players in the other leagues. Entire teams may play up but that has a ripple effect on other teams in the club. How is your club handling it? Which teams will play up? Which teams will reshuffle? What do you think your team will look like next season? Are they going to play u18? Looking to recruit older 99s to keep the team's competitive? Does it matter as these kids are coasting out? Does it affect the uncommitted kids? Especially 99s? Is it a recruiting advantage for uncommitted '00s? Lots of questions out there to be answered over time.

Anonymous said...

The late uncommitted 99's are really being put in a bad spot. For these players the next would typically be their year to fill secondary spots for D1 and also D2 and D3. What will be difficult is how will they be able to showcase. How to you flight what will be generally all new teams. Top teams with a history of quality play will be completely different. Kids from top teams that built a quality resume will now be playing on a completely new team with many new players. Earned opprtunities from great play become irrelevant and a player who may potentially have showcased in a top flight may find themselves showcasing in a very low bracket. This I feel is a great injustice. Flights will be now based on coach or club influence rather than resume of a team. While this already occurs many less influential clubs will be on the outside looking in. The late 99's are being unfairly hurt from a recruiting point of view. Younger players have adequate time to adapt but it may be to late for these players. And yes my daughter is in this group.

Anonymous said...

I agree the late 99s are seriously being disadvantaged through the timing of this mandate. Your best bet is to either pick a high level u16 team that is planning on playing u18 next year and keeping its got soccer points. Or possibly consider switching to a large club that can easily reshuffle with a currently strong u17 team also in case more than 50% or whatever the cutoff of the roster continuity it takes to keep the points. Unfortunately with non ecnl teams who don't have club strength the flawed got soccer points system is the only way to prevent from starting over during this critical time. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

don't mean to be rude, but by now kids should be building a PERSONAL soccer resume. The team they play on is not that big an issue. If you are still banking on being "seen" at a tournament then you need to rethink - FAST.

Anonymous said...

Not to mention that got soccer points really don't mean anything anymore since ECNL and NPL don't give them.

Anonymous said...

Yes building a personal resume is the object. The got soccer points however are important to that end because, flawed or not that system is largely used to flight tournaments. It matters to coaches the level of competition against which a player is being evaluated. Hence the got soccer points are important to an individual player's quest to play collegiate soccer. Yes bragging points are long over but that wasn't the point of the post. As far as recruitment timelines, Many of the D1 s will be signing juniors next year. To imply that a kid has missed the boat at this time is alarmist. Many programs will want to see kids through at least the fall, November and December major recruiting events before extending offers next winter to juniors. Especially true for some of the more academic D1 s. Don't let these guys panic you at this time. If your child is committed or nearly so congratulations. But there is time left for others and next year could be important for many, yet may be impacted by the age change. Which was the import of the original post.

Anonymous said...

7:18 Thank You for your reply as I believe you understood my true concern. My child is working on the personal aspect but at her level she can use the assistance of high level competition to add to her cause. Taking this one aspect away adds a component that creates an unexpected hurdle. Not knowing the level of next year's showcases clouds the picture a bit for some kids. When you pick a program, exposure opportunity is part of the equation. Would most of you be happy if after 3 years at a D1 program it was randomly changed to D3? While not quite the same, some players are having the rug pulled out from under them. Maybe It's time for some of the major showcases to speak up about how they intend to adjust for these major changes.

Anonymous said...

214
I recommend that you enter your child into the guest registry of any tournament to which her primary team is not entered and to which you believe college coaches of interest may be attending. My child has done that and it was a useful and enjoyable experience. She has gotten as much interest that way than she has through her primary team. She wrote to the schools ahead of time and told them she would be a guest with the team; that explained her not starting at times. Most of the schools were impressed that she was mature enough to show up and play well on a team with whom she had no established relationships. Good luck

Anonymous said...

last post illustrates my point. The TEAM is irrelevant. Have a plan, focus and reach out directly to the coaches of schools you are interested in. Im sorry, but any team that is on the got soccer bubble is likely NOT playing top competition anyway. The point is to show your child as a top competitor and one who would be an asset to the school of her choice. Being resourceful, is part of that. The top players, and there are very few, are heavily recruited by everyone. Almost every other kid has to try and distinguish themselves in other areas. write emails, attend camps and focus. the "im on a team with lots of GS points" part is nonsense.

Anonymous said...

You miss the point. I think we agree. The issue with the got soccer points is only one regarding tournament flight placements. No one is saying they care what the points are other than they helped assure that their kid was playing in tournament flights high enough to assure college coaches that they could play at that level. That is the only import of the points. I said if your team is starting from scratch and not being flights high enough in the short window for recruitment that is left for next year's junior 99s then consider guesting to get the exposure. We agree it's about the individual performance now. But that performance can't be adequately judged by the coaches unless the team is first even accepted to adequate tournaments and then is competing at an adequate level.
The original point was that some of the current u16s are in the last window for recruitment. This age change has shaken up teams. Yes teams because outside of camps you need a team to play on if you want to be showcased. So a kid may have been on a team with a history to put her in a place to be seen but now will have to play on a new team with no history for the important fall/ holiday tournaments. They may not even be accepted much less be flights high enough for adequate exposure. I suggested applying as a guest if that happens. Also start trying to figure out where she can play now. Do age group is sessions if available. Train with new teams. Again good luck.

Anonymous said...

Glad to see someone is rational. I was not just looking for advice but pointing out an overlooked issue from the age adjustment. I actually feel the age adjustment has merit but not considering some grandfather clauses is putting undue stress on a particular age group. Judging by the USSF response to ECNL this is right in line. US Soccer has nothing to do with education so why should they care. Somehow I think my own tax dollars are paying for this screw job.

Anonymous said...

you are the one being irrational. The move is not going to benefit all.It may help some and hurt others. No change will benefit all.Here is reality. Your daughter ability is still in her control.The team she plays on is still in her control.If she is good enough,she can have her pick of teams. I dont see the issue at all really.

Tony F said...

Breakers vs gunners

Anonymous said...

My kid has picked out two colleges with very similar academic programs. Her main criteria are curriculum & location. One is a D1, the other a D3. She has contact with both coaches & is attending specific camps that these coaches will be at. If the D1 does not work out, she’ll almost definitely get into the D3, as long as her SAT/GPA scores are sufficient.

With the path she has laid out for herself, I don’t think the reorganization will affect her. Unless a 16 year old girl changes her mind on what University she wants to attend : )

Anonymous said...

Tony F - Your Breakers are clearly a force to be reckoned with.

Anonymous said...

Are Breakers playing Gunners? No contest there!

Anonymous said...

What are the breakers ? Where are they from?

Anonymous said...

Breakers are from Clifton I think.

Anonymous said...

What do you do when choosing to attend a college I.D. camp that conflicts with a Club team game or Tournament when you know your Coach will certainly have negative repercussions? What do you do when your Coach doesn’t agree with your choice target colleges and wants you to broaden your scope a.k.a. downgrade?

Anonymous said...

I think you should do what's best for your child. The club coach is going to put his and the clubs interests first. Trust your instincts.

Anonymous said...

@955 if that is the case, then you are at the wrong Club. Play for a coach who cares for the kids. Ours does. My Child missed games to visit schools with zero repercussions.

The question above you stems from mistrust. You have to be on the same page as the Club coach and come up with a plan to get there. As far as schools, you have to be realistic. Pick a range. It is a small world, so you have to be careful about casting a really wide net and then becoming overexposed. A good club coach/DOC with experience is priceless. However they can only give advice, it is up to you to decide what you think best.

never lose sight of the fact that EDUCATION comes first.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like a sad Catch 22 in your club, if you go for what you really want and what you have worked hard for and sacrificed for, you may be benched and miss an opportunity to be seen in a future game/tournament situation. If you don’t go for what you really want you might not be seen at all by one of your top choice schools. But the kicker is, if you do get a plum offer based on your own initiative, I bet, that kind of coach you are talking about would be the first one to want to take credit for it and want a picture arm and arm.

Anonymous said...

I’m guessing 8:51’s questions are just to start a decent topic thread so I’ll bite.
There should be very few reasons a coach at this point in our kids development should be putting club team over an ID camp imo. I would hope the coach is discussing the pros & cons of each particular camp. I might understand if the coach had an issue with a particular camp because it is more of a $$$ grab as opposed to actually getting seen by recruiting coaches.

As far as repercussions, who cares? Youth soccer is just about over. Two more HS seasons in fall where the club coach has no input & maybe 2 or 3 more spring seasons including this one. I’m guessing many girls will skip or limit their spring club in their senior year.

In regards to downgrading school choice, imo, target schools on multiple levels & see what offers you get. Always allow the kids to dream big but keep a plan “B” in place.

Anonymous said...

Hi Everyone,

There is so much information regarding playing for a Univerity team, but I have been looking all over for information on the School Intramural teams. Does anyone know where I can find more information on these teams?

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

You mean the college "Club Teams". Yeah, It is hard to find information, I have been trying to find out information as well. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Anonymous said...

Posted on the u15s but may be applicable:

So we went to the Penn Fusion age group training today. About 50 kids. Most look to be Penn Fusion players with their practice shirts and gear on. About 15 kids appear to be from outside the club. They put them on a feild together and mix in a few Penn Fusion kids and play like 7v7. Tthere are about 6 coaches watching attentively and it looks legit. 4 are attentive to this group. One is with all Penn Fusion kids and another seems to be with kids who all stayed together on one field. They had black uniforms and i think I think maybe the west chester club travel kids.
Then the all Penn Fusion group comes over and they make teams of new kids versus Penn Fusion kids. The new kids look to hold their own and a few actually stand out. I am thinking wow the Penn Fusion parents are probablt pretty worried about their little Mias spot right now.

I was shocked when walking to the car my kid says, "Well the guy in charge says that there aren't any opennings on the ECNL team. That if you are not already Penn Fusion only NPL is open". WTF??? Why hold this event and have us travel over there, coaches spending their time and really watching too if it's a farce? DId anyone else's kid say this to them or did my kid lose something in translation? Should we even bother to call the club and ask what's up?

Anonymous said...

Don't bet on it. If they saw someone that they really liked and that was an upgrade to a current player they would take them in a minute. Maybe today, they did not see anyone that they felt was a true upgrade to a current player, but they are always looking for talent and will grab it when they see it.

Anonymous said...

Any good coach/club will allow a player all the flexibility in the world for an ID camp.
It should always be what is best for the player.

Word of advice. Always do what you feel is right with your player and as a player.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

8:05

I don't think the process is to call the club after an ID event. It's just a prelim to the tryout, right?

Anonymous said...

I'm curious....how many players in this age group have received full rides to college for soccer? This isn't meant to bash anyone or ridicule, I am really wondering how common it is?

Please no BS or lies, but serious info.

Thanks

Anonymous said...

definition of full rise? 100% athletic including Tuition, books, fees, living expenses and food?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, yes by full ride, I mean 100% athletic scholarship covering full tuition, room and board, books, etc. I know that it is also common to get a percentage covered of the full costs and then maybe some academic money on top of that. So I am curious for those that have committed, what exactly have they gotten. Since this is an anonymous forum, I figured people could feel comfortable sharing this info, no schools or other info needed.

Anonymous said...

From what I've pieced together through talking with others, only a very select few will know at this point in time the actual amount of assistance. It's difficult to budget out a large portion of your scholarship money to kids that might not even be able to get accepted to the school, or get hurt, change their mind, etc.

At this early stage, the majority of the kids will be offered spots on the roster, and the money will be decided at a later date, once they know what their full recruiting class looks like. While they are limited in athletic dollars, once a recruit has actually taken the SAT/ACT and applied to the school, there may be academic money available to them, which lowers the need to allocate athletic dollars to that recruit.

At some schools the amount of athletic scholarship money for a particular recruit may change over time. Someone that gets 15% as a freshman that doesn't play much may get 30% when they are a starting junior.

The other think to remember is that the 14 equivalency scholarships is the maximum limit set by the NCAA. There are many smaller D1 schools that don't have the funding to reach that limit.

Anonymous said...

2018 class full soccer rides in this area ...I will hazard a guess that it is 5 or less

Anonymous said...

1247 that's not how it goes. You don't commit as a 10th grader without knowing the athletic scholarship amount. My kid has received a 90% offer guaranteed 4 years and it was declined. Not for the amount, but I won't go into why she declined it. We know at least one kid who has a "full ride" by everyone's definition. I also know national players who accepted less than a "full ride" to big time schools. Except your closest friends, most won't discuss a personal situation like scholarship amounts. I also found out that you might be lied to by proud parents. One person told me his child had a "full ride" to a school and then when we visited the school, we were told no "full rides" offered. My niave and assertive kid pipes in, "well what about ---?" To which the slightly startled coach said, "like I said no full rides".

Anonymous said...

3:19 I am guessing then that your player is committed?

I know of players who say they have close to a full ride, but that doesn't mean the money is all coming from the athletic side. I think that some families might want others to assume it did, but for instance, this one player is getting athletic money and was told from their pre-read to expect close to a full ride with academic money making up the difference.

I am curious as to the level of program vs these full rides. I am under the impression that ivy doesn't give athletic money?

I was also told that GK are definitely recruited heavier and can expect more of the pie, so to speak, than field players. Wonder if there is truth to that?

Anonymous said...

If your out of pocket payment to your school of choice is $0, I would consider it a full ride no matter where the money comes from. Academic money helps schools spread out more athletic money to more players. Coaches want the most bang for their buck. It would be crazy for them not to combine athletic and academic if they can.

Anonymous said...

Right

In other words - you could be getting 25 academic, allowing for the coach to use just a 3/4 on you, where if you werent good enough academically for the 25 the coach would have given you the FULL athletic.

Dont get caught up in the bragging - heck, wouldnt you actually prefer if half was for smarts?

Anonymous said...

This anonymous forum allows for more potential truth. We do not flaunt our child's success and no other players parents know what her deal is. I am guessing that's the norm. Our experience with a fairly accomplished player is that the lower level top conference teams were offering her more. Of course we were not surprised. Our other less accomplished player, similarly, but at a playing level below, was getting a higher percentage of athletic money from schools that were in lesser conferences. Not surprising: Lower level team, that sees her as an immediate impact player will see your kid as more valuable and pay more. Its pretty logical actually. Even most, but not all, of the national players are not getting full rides with athletic money. General premise, if your kid is expected to be a freshmen starter on any fully funded program, she will get a lot of money.

Anonymous said...

I don't care as much about the bragging.

It's just misleading to others when trying to understand the whole recruiting/scholarship process. Whether a player would or would not have gotten 100% athletic could very well be supposition on the parents part.

My question was really how much athletic money players get on average from schools. In other words, if your player was told they could get anywhere from 50-75% during talks, possibly up to 90% depending...trying to gauge if that's a typical offer, a good offer or actually low?

Obviously it's like any "market" your worth is what people are willing to "pay" but when you are first starting out in this whole process and all you hear about are "full rides" it's hard to understand what is real and what has become just a major brag fest.

Anonymous said...

10:23 thank you! I pretty much have figured that about the levels of teams.

Out of curiosity what would people say are the top conferences??

Anonymous said...

Just look at the final season RPI ranking from last season: RPI Rankings.

Looks like the ACC, Big Ten, and PAC-12 make up 11 of the top 15 teams.

Anonymous said...

How many teams at the 1999 birth year are staying together and playing in the older group? I know our team wants all players to try-out birth year appropriate to see what the teams would look like, but i believe to keep the majority of the players and families happy they will allow them to play their last 2 years within the club staying together.

With the new Birth Year appropriate teams, Is Got Soccer and other ranking sited looking at these teams as new teams or allowing the newly formed team to keep the point that already exist. I know the got Soccer point system is not the most accurate system but it is what we have and some tournaments still rely on there points.

Confused and concerned 1999 parent.

Good luck to all the girls during this transition and during your recruitment process.

Anonymous said...

ACC ...........................then the rest. It's not even close. the College Cup finalist, Duke, I think was 500 in the ACC. Pac-12 has some impressive classes coming in, but so does the ACC.

Anonymous said...

I never understand the desire to stay together, unless it makes compelling soccer sense. Friendships are made in Clubs soccer, but it is too expensive to do for that reason alone.

As far as rankings etc. Should not matter either way. Coaches will come see you play if you write to them.

Anonymous said...

11:14 - GotSoccer will automatically age teams up on August 1st based on the oldest player listed on the roster. If a team splits up, then the points go to where the majority of the players go. Points stay with the team ID as long as they maintain > 50% of their roster.

Based on what I've seen out of USYS in terms of National League, and the teams in our area (the non-ECNL teams), the 'top' teams will all be moving up to play U-18 next year. If you look at the USYS release regarding National League expansion, the current U16 teams that get automatic entry are all slotting into the U18 bracket, unless the teams decide to split up.

I think what you will find at the top level is that the current crop of teams will all jump to U18 and everyone will be playing against the same competition.

I don't know what the ECNL teams are planning on doing.

Anonymous said...

Yes the ACC was very powerful last year. But of course 2 of the 4 teams in the college cup were Big 10. The PAC 12 have won championships as have the SEC. I can't remember if the big 12 has won any though West Virginia are a cut above the rest they are knocking at the door. RPI can be very volatile from year to year. For example I think Duke was in the 80s for the 2014 season. What all of these conferences have in common is a big budget from football. In fact the ACC budgets are often smaller than some of the other schools'. Take a look at Virginia's uniforms for example. As cheap as they come. With all of that football money the facilities at those schools are usually a real cut above the other conferences' programs and these conferences usually have a full staff of the NCAA allowed Head, associate, assistant, and volunteer coaches along with a dedicated academic advisor for the team who travels with them, a strength coach might be shared with womens basketball, and a director of operations. They often fly in chartered planes and have large contracts with major suppliers for all kinds of swag. One thing we have noted: If the school is known for its basketball success, the "Olympic sports" (read non football) facilities such as the weight room will be top notch.
The next tier in our area is probably AAC, Big East, maybe Atlantic 10. I might have forgotten one or more sorry if I insulted anyone unintentional. These may not all be fully funded. Their facilities are generally a cut below. Travel less and more often by bus. More shared resources. Some with only 2 coaches. Some with no director of operations. Again these are quick comments.

Regarding amounts. 50% at top 5 ACC is a great offer to only the very top players. The no compromise athletics/academics can distribute the money more readily and still get top players: Virginia, Duke, UNC. national players get 100% at pretty much the rest of the ACC. Florida State's academics aren't that great and they spend a lot on foreign players.
The next 4 conferences will offer starter level players usually around 70+ % all athletic. That is a great offer. At least the Big 10 and Big 12 are offering 4 year guarantees. Their number 1 non national player recruit will generally get in the range of 90%. They will have a big spread with some getting 90% a national player at 100% and a few kids as low as just a roster spot and books. All kids on the roster get free food.
The second tier conferences will spend 100% on non national players at the top of their lists and I think from our experience have more kids with a wider scholarship amount. Whereas Virginia may have an entire roster of kids from 40-60%, Temple might have 6 kids at 100%. those 6 may have been offered 25% at Syracuse and decided to take the full ride at Temple instead and play a lot more. Just some generalities to give you the lay of the land. The same non national but top 3 player on her top level club team might command a 25% scholarship at Virginia offered in her Junior year (if she stayed in the game that late), 50% at Pittsburgh, 75% at Ohio State, and even 100% at Duquesne offered to her during sophomore year. Just to give you an idea if our hypothetical kid were actually to go through the process to junior year, which is somewhat unlikely, but I hope I demonstrated a very 10,000 foot view of the deals as we have seen them over several kids at various levels.

Anonymous said...

Great post.

My ACC comment was more about the soccer. Forget last year and even the College Cup. The CC is like the FA Cup, anything can happen in a one off game that goes straight to penalties. It is not a good measure of the best team over the long haul. The ACC is consistently deep with UNC, UVA, Duke, FSU. Duke finished 8th in conf. There are other good schools no question, but no other conf is a deep and recruits as many top players as the ACC.

Anonymous said...

MAPS Spring Challenge schedules re out
http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=48283&Gender=Girls&Age=16

Anonymous said...

MAPS Spring Challenge is cancelled for Saturday, Sunday will most likely be cancelled also.

Anonymous said...

Any thoughts on players tweeting out their verbal commitments. Good idea or risky??

Anonymous said...

It makes some people envious.

Anonymous said...

When should a student athlete looking to be recruited by a college or university, establish an account with NCAA eligibility Center Website and is this mandatory to do?

Anonymous said...

Question and opinions for those of you to whom it may apply(probably PA and NJ):
Future 500 camp held at Eastern University in early July
Who can tell me something about this? Good or bad?

Anonymous said...

My child went to this camp. She got interest from several D1-D3 schools. She was a freshman. It was Ok if you got selected to play in the id events. If you have a d3 level older player it probably would be good to get her on the radar. It was ok in organization. Kids had to figure out how to get from Cabrini to eastern and back, but they figured it out.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 12:25
"Selected to play in the id events?"
Please explain

Anonymous said...

There are games that are essentially all star games. The coaches are all watching them. Its like getting an extra showcase in. Coaches all lined up. Only caveat, your kid has to be one of the top 3 or so on their training team to get invited. All of the training teams get games and coaches come to watch specific players who have indicated interest in their programs at these evening games. So evening games have about a dozen or so coaches at each game. If there are a few colleges of interest to your child, it may be worth it. Likely cheaper than paying for 5 id camps and getting your kid there. But not as focused on a single school and you don't get to feel the vibe. But maybe a good way to get on the radar.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the helpful info 8:36
That's exactly where we are right now...where to spend the money and how many ID camps if not "invited" so to speak. Girl can end up just another number...

Anonymous said...

Nice performance by the USWNT this past week. The 17 year old looked really skilled, knowledgeable & poised. Fun to watch a kid so close to our daughters age play so well at the absolute highest level.

After defeating #2 Germany, #3 France & #5 England, I’m hoping everyone on here would agree US Women’s Soccer is running a well-oiled machine. They seem to have seamlessly transitioned from the old roster players to newer players mixed in with a few veterans.

Anonymous said...

not really. its a numbers game . the US care about womens soccer more than anyone else. they pump more $$ in than anyone else. They SHOULD be dominant. When women are getting 200caps, the machine is far from well oiled. More like a country club with indentured members.

Anonymous said...

1:28PM
I agree that the women's game is transitioning nicely and the 'old way' and thinking is being replaced. Which is exactly what needs to happen in a program, any program any where. Definitely a LOT better soccer being played but you can see some of the old stuff how up more often than it should.

Overall I am encouraged and close to being convinced.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

I'm trying to determine what would constitute a reasonable offer from a D1 school. I'm beginning to think I've been underestimating her ability. Her coach told her there are 4 schools that are interested in her and would like her to visit their schools as soon as possible. Her club coach seems to think anyone of them is ready to make an offer if she is interested. All of the schools are ranked in the top 50+/- and are all mid-tier or above academically. She plays on one of the top teams in our state. She has not been IDed. The coach lead me to believe she's gotten more than an average number of coaches (for her team) interested in her. She would be very happy at any of these schools/teams. Would 25% cost of all expenses be reasonable for a middle of the road D1 prospect (I'm guessing she is middle of the road), in her sophomore year of HS?

ICE said...

@710..This is not NFL free agency. Only you and your family can determine what is value to you weighing up all your options. I would be irresponsible giving you any advice on such an important decision as would anyone else. Go to the "best" school you can afford is all I can say.

Anonymous said...

7:10
In what grade is she?
You have to determine which you will put more weight on...academics or athletics? Go to a school with great academics and a 500 soccer record but she can play a lot of soccer or go to a school with average academics but great soccer record...she may be benched for awhile?
How is she academically? Is money an issue? etc...

Anonymous said...

Money is always an issue. That is why I'm trying to understand what a typical package, for someone like my daughter. My question is not which school she should go to. My question is what kind of athletic scholarship is offered to a player like my daughter. From what I'm seeing, it seems girls that commit as freshmen are getting full rides. If she has 4 schools that believe she can be an impact player, none of them in the top 10, does that put her in the 25% range for athletic money, or higher? All the schools are in good conferences. She is a sophomore and is on a club team that is easily considered in the top 100 nationally. She is a midfielder and also plays center back. I'm strictly interested in athletic $$. We will not get financial aid.

Anonymous said...

Ok, First if the visits require a flight find out FIRST how interested they are. Are they ready to make her an offer when you are down there or not. These visits are expensive and the kids miss school for them. If they are ready, then you have 4 solid possibilities that's great congratulations! Don't listem to the academics guy. All schools in the top 50 are decent academic schools. Some offer honors colleges and all have diverse majors. A diploma and a 3.5, decent 50% MCAT scores and D1 soccer on her resume will get her into nearly all med schools... By way of example.

When she goes to visit she will get a vibe. How much money are they sinking into their soccer program? Expect fully funded in a top 50. Also 3 coaches plus a volunteer coach and a director of operations. The team might share an academic advisor with the women's basketball team and have their own trainer. Expect the academic advisor to travel with them an maybe broker a on line tutoring session, run interference with professors and proctor exams on the road if necessary. Their weight trainer might also be shared with one other team. Look at the facilities. How compfortable and respected do they make your daughter feel? Where are the dorms and cafeterias relative to the field house/training venues? Is there extended hour food availability for athletes with odd hours?

As for the offer. It depends. How many kids are already committed for 2018, 2017? 2016? Translation, how much of their money have they already used up. If a keeper she could demand more than 25%. It sounds like she is one of their higher level recruits at this stage if in the lower potion of the top 50 in a non power 5 conference (exception maybe big east- Georgetown). If a top 20 program, you can ask them if they have already offered a spot to a kid who plays your daughter's position. If so and declined, you can probably get a higher amount because they were playing the game earlier and probably with a fair amount of money and didn't get their top choice and want to grab a kid they think can fill a void. If not they may just be on a slower time line than some of the very top programs and she might still be a top recruit. A second tier role player kid at this point in a top 20 program is looking at books to 25%

Ask them what they project her role on the team to be? Impact player freshmen starters should get at least 75% at all but the very highest demand schools like Virginia or Stanford for example.

Good luck. In sum, could be books to 25% if she is the last add in the 2018 class for a top 20 school, or 75% if they love her and think she will make an immediate impact. This is a gray zone time. Earlier in the fall, we could say definitely push for 50% or more, in junior year probably looking at 25%. Each school is on a slightly different schedule. Top ACC schools are about done with 2018. Big east and A10 are just starting with most of their 2018 commitments. For example. Good luck

Anonymous said...

Thank you "March 15, 2016 at 2:56 PM' response. That is good info. Would you say anything north of 50% is an indication that they see value in a 2018?

Anonymous said...

2:56 This sounds like great information, but what are you basing this on? First hand experience with an older child? Are you involved in recruiting? Admissions?

Anonymous said...

Not replying to 8:19 but here's a good, factual resource

"A Parent and Player Guide To: The Naked Truth of the Women's College Soccer Recruitment Process: Finding the Right Fit" by India Trotter

Worth the read. Simple yet practical

Anonymous said...

I think above 50% and they think she will contribute immediately. Is she a tall (5'9" or above and good in the air) or very fast or both center back? These are specifically sought after characteristics in this position. If she is then they are probably looking to plug a hole in their back line. Center backs are usually later recruits because they aren't as flashy, but schools really need them. They grab the flashy attacking players first. I would think she should be looking to garner a 50% offer in this position at this time from a top 50. Of course with the caveat that I have never seen her play so am handicapped in my statements.

I have older children who went through it and children going through now actively with one who is younger than this blog and another at this level. Hence my flight comments that happened to us first hand and want to share that experience to save some people money potentially. I also played way back in college, went through some of this myself, though admittedly its different now and girls are different than boys. Not probably that its completely relevant, but I coached my children until they out grew me. Though we still kick around in the yard.

Anonymous said...

Here are some rough numbers on 2018 commits that I gathered from a couple sites:

ACC
Duke: 6
FSU: 3
North Carolina: 4
Notre Dame: 4
Virginia: 5
Virginia Tech: 2
Clemson: 1
Louisville: 7
Miami: 2
Syracuse: 3

Big Ten
Penn State: 5
Rutgers: 2
Ohio State 1

Pac-12
Stanford: 6
USC: 3
Arizona: 8

Big-12
West Virginia: 2
Texas Tech: 1

AAC
UConn: 2
UCF: 1
USF: 3
Cincinnati: 10



Anonymous said...

The following link has a pretty complete list of commitments for all classes that are currently unsigned.
https://sites.google.com/site/soccerrecruits/

Anonymous said...

Yes that list though I am sure you worked hard on it, is very incomplete.

Anonymous said...

The National League is certainly not for every team.

Anonymous said...

Don't understand when club administrators / parents subject teams to experiences such as those endured in NC and Vegas. Wouldn't they have been better off spending their time seeking a more balanced level of competition closer to home.

Anonymous said...

I used to think that way but now I completely disagree. When you continually play in tournaments closer to home you end up playing the same teams over and over again. Your player and team won't end up growing or developing as strongly with that mindset. Vegas for example draws strong teams from the west coast that an east coast team might never get to play against otherwise.

And quite honestly. It's their money. What do you care what they choose to do with it.

Anonymous said...

@10:44 - sorry to burst your bubble, but I only spent a few minutes compiling that. It was generated from the list posted by @2:41 and cross checked with TDS. If you have issues with the content, take it up with those sites. Or, better yet if you have something of value to add, then by all means share it with us.

Anonymous said...

PDA acceptances are posted.

Anonymous said...

Completely disagree with 9:04 as there needs to be some level of common sense. Six losses in seven games and a -19 goal differential capped off with a 1-9 result boarders on irresponsible.

Anonymous said...

10:52 don't know which team you are referring to but I would say that decision should be based on an individual team basis. Some teams/players can and do benefit. The scenario you are suggesting shows a team that doesn't appear to be able to handle the level of competition where they were placed. Sounds like they were put in the wrong bracket for their abilities. That doesn't really have anything to do with where the tournament was at. It could've easily been a local. If a team is placed higher than they should that is what happens

Anonymous said...

11:02 refers to SDFC. A nice local club but one who has never one a single major tournament. USYS was desperate for some additional representation from the East. The took the 2 highest ranked that applied in SAC and SDFC. Losing matches3-0 or 4-1 is a mismatch, losing 9-1 and 6-0 is totally unacceptable for a league of this caliber. Such a shame since their are a number of higher level teams from the Northeast who could have competed but have no faith in the USYS model.

Anonymous said...

My kids team was in LV. Would be nice to forgo the expense but it is good to play against new teams. Would have been better if the comp was stronger. My daughter's team dominated due to their size and speed. But there were players from other teams with good skills, better than most teams she plays in state.

Anonymous said...

@905 You are very sensitive. I wasn't trying to be a jerk only had a few seconds to post and thought that the list was unintentionally misleading. I posted @256 and a second one that some people have found useful. No need to bristle. If you checked TDS/google site you should have been more complete.

Further your most recent post is very confusing. You said you used the google site cross referenced with TDS. That certainly would have taken a lot longer than a few minutes to check every team in the top 5 conferences. But then clearly you didn't. The big 12 stood out to me because you claim that only 2 schools have 2018 commits. They cover a lot of Texas and Texas is known for early commitments. I don't have the time to check them all but on a quick (actual couple minute) review from TDS site:

Texas 4 2018
3 2019

Kansas 2 2018
Iowa State 4 2018
Ok state 3 2018 and 1 2019

Kansas state 5 2018

So now that you poked me. You did a crappy job that misled people- now I am wondering if you were intentionally doing so.

Also what bubble did you burst of mine?

Anonymous said...

@ 757

My daughter's team dominated due to their size and speed. But there were players from other teams with good skills, better than most teams she plays in state.

if the above is true, you are playing in the wrong local league.

Anonymous said...

Ok so I will start it. Is there any doubt that the gunners will win the championship bracket at Jeff cup ? Any thoughts ?

Anonymous said...

How exactly does a team 'win' a bracket in a showcase event type format?

Anonymous said...

Should be interesting at Jeff Cup. Are Gunners sitting their committed kids?
I know some clubs are (also in the top group). I get it but its silly. Kids want to win, if they can. They are the ones practicing, showing the commitment. They are. This is the only soccer forum they may have to compete against non-league clubs. So, let them compete, fully. But, good luck to all the teams.

Anonymous said...

For a showcase they combine wins, goals and shutouts.
6 pts for win
3 goals max 1 pt each
1 for shutout
10 pts max for a match

Anonymous said...

PDA must have a deal with the devil. You can't maintain a competitive tournament when you guarantee acceptance to Npl teams. My daughters team did not get in. Despite easily winning all 3 games there last year. And not losing a game in the last year. The 3 teams they beat are all accepted.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you 4:25. When looking at the list, there are a lot of teams that were kept out and a bunch of teams that should not have gotten in.

Guess PDA only cares that their teams are competitive, their tournament, not so much. If it continues, it certainly won't maintain a high status as a showcase if it stays this way.

Anonymous said...

I think all the ECNL teams that have healthy rosters over 18 are sitting their committed kids. Especially the ones going to san Diego to keep the top kids (who are generally the committed ones at this point healthy. For example what percentage of 2018 and older kids were committed that attended the PDP event last weekend. I bet all or almost all.

Anonymous said...

Its funny that people keep acting like the ECNL teams sit their committed kids at these tournaments or showcases. At Vegas this past weekend, I can firmly say that the three ecnl teams that were encountered played their committed players, some played the whole game. I am not saying that they might not do it sometimes, but I think it's very misleading to assume that the committed kids aren't playing in these non-ECNL games.

Anonymous said...

It's very obvious that PDA did not accept the best teams for their "Showcase" this year since they opted to allow low level NPL sister teams to ECNL clubs in.

I doubt this is/was advertised, but is the PDA Showcase mimicking Jeff Cup and establishing a partnership with NPL?? This would certainly help explain this baffling decision.

Anonymous said...

The Penn a fusion ECNL team is sitting out their committed kids at Jeff cup. Not even traveling. They are the spine of the team. Center back center mid striker and and another starting forward. 4 top starters. That allows roster spots 17-20 to not have to sit out and since only 16 are left a lot of play time for all the kids to show what they can do. Seems like a reasonable decision since they will be traveling to San Diego in a week. It works out for everyone this way. Or does it? Will it be harder for kids to show optimally when the players around them are weaker? Might this strategy backfire if the kids are on the defensive the whole game because the team is gutted? Will the back up striker see the ball? Could be a cluster.

Anonymous said...

@4:11pm - you are correct in your assumption with the PDA Showcase and a partnership with NPL. There is no clarity on the criteria for acceptance or how certain NPL or even Non-NPL teams were accepted.

Obviously this was not advertised publicly to teams applying and I'm sure college coaches have no clue about this either just yet. This watered down Showcase is a recipe for failure on so many levels and will hurt the brand of the PDA Showcase as being one of the best.

Anonymous said...

@ 9am

Nonsense. Coaches come to see players. Very rare they come on random fishing exercises. The brand will be just fine for now. DA is a much bigger threat. Maybe this is very smart and all about diversifying away from the top players because they know they will lose them to DA events next year. Either way PDA will be fine. The Sirius XM show yday on the DA was very interesting.

Anonymous said...

9:00 US Club will continue to get stronger and stronger. Will eventually force clubs to commit or risk poor exposure. Conform or disappear as a premier club. National League is a joke in this area as is Region 1. Hold out clubs will suffer. The days of open tournaments and showcases is over. Unfair but in a few years the transition will be complete.

Anonymous said...

10:52 you are correct when you say its unfair. When you have a 16 year old trying to showcase in their own state and are unable to that is a not good. It would be nice to get a break we travel all over the country to showcase and when their is a local tournament in our area they are not even considered. Instead they accept sister NPL teams of lesser quality so that they can assure themselves of the outcome. I dont know about you but to me that sounds like it is being monopolized. There are a total of 90 teams in the U16 bracket and only 8 of them are from NJ. What a joke.

Anonymous said...

Here in the first set of teams are the Region 1 jokers according to 9:00. Their average predictive power score is 35.31. Compare that with the PA and NJ NPL teams listed in the second set of teams, which have a lower average predictive power score of 33.84. Granted, the ECNL teams have higher scores than the jokers (for the most part), but we all can’t be elitist.

SAC UNITED PREMIER – 34.90
OBGC SOCCER OLNEY GIRLS – 34.73
HERNDON UNITED – 35.28
ARSENAL FC OF PA PREMIER PRIDE – 36.39
BEADLING SC BEADLING BOMBERS – 35.57
PATRIOT FC PREMIER – 36.31
FC FREDERICK – 35.62
PWSI COURAGE RED – 37.76
FC PENNSYLVANIA STRIKERS – 37.76
PDA BREAKERS – 36.28
SDFC PANTHERA – 35.53
WNY FLASH ACADEMY GIRLS – 36.29
NJ STALLIONS STAMPEDE NPL – 35.88
NORDIC SC NORDIC 16 PREMIER GIRLS – 34.21
MERRICK/ SOUTH MERRICK LADY CYCLONES – 33.17
HBC BUZZ – 33.16


FC BUCKS FORCE NPL - 34.02
PENN FUSION SA NPL - 33.79
CONTINENTAL FC BARCA NPL - 31.90
NJ WILDCATS TROUTMAN NPL - 34.63
JERSEY UNITED SOCCER SPARTANS NPL - 34.61
NEW JERSEY RUSH NPL - 34.36
MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL - 33.96
PRINCETON SA IGFA NPL - 33.86
NJ CRUSH FC NPL - 33.85
MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NPL - 33.44

Anonymous said...

The PDA Showcase deal was bartered not just for NPL teams but specifically for clubs that participated in the rather weak NPL Showcase in Florida.

Anonymous said...

So which NJ teams were denied for PDA? Without an applied list it hard to say, can only think of maybe 2 who really would rightfully be there.

Anonymous said...

Looks like the locals had a tough weekend at Jeff Cup in the upper brackets. PA Strikers very weak effort along with Alby. QUickstrike continued to impress with 2 wins over ECNL clubs. Great conditions for games. Lots of impressive soccer.

Anonymous said...

Interesting about the PA teams. I know Penn Fusion ECNL did not bring any of their commits. I thought PDA was not as well, but apparently they did.

Rationale is to Showcase the kids that were not committed yet and some may not get as much playing time otherwise or playing them in different positions to show diversity. It's cool that some do this as this tourney meant nothing for ECNL standings.

Some like PF did that at CASL as well (sending kids to the composite teams; other squads). Not about the placement or outcome but getting kids seen that may not normally get as much playing time.

Did Strikers bring their entire roster or sit their commits?

Anonymous said...

Agree with 3/23 at 9:13. May or may not work. Kids have to adjust their games to other players. Some may or may not have played as well as normally. How are they Showcasing, then?

Anonymous said...

Richmond and FC Va played regular rosters.

Anonymous said...

For those teams that did not get into PDA Showcase in May, apply for Delco Cups. It still gets good talent and a good amount of coaches. Some schools send one to PDA and one to Delco.

Anonymous said...

local clubs did well at the jeff cup . Great weather a good field conditions. Pda Gunners received top spot in standings with 3-0 record , great results for local clubs

Anonymous said...

No Richmond did not play their top scorer.

Anonymous said...

Gunners used the whole roster. Some sit outs.

Anonymous said...

Richmond most certainly played their top scorer this weekend as did FC VA. Maybe you should have watched all the matches.

Anonymous said...

A serious effort by ECNL faithful to explain the fact that they did not get great success from each team. It happens every year at every non ECNL event.

Anonymous said...

Would love to see non-ECNL vs. FULL ECNL rosters. Why doesn't this happen?

As an ECNL person, I was quite disappointed when some clubs chose to not bring their commits and played high level teams that were fully rostered. That would be a true championship event.

Also, sometimes the not as strong player rises next to the better players.

Anonymous said...

I think is silly that teams don't come with their full rosters. Maybe don't give the commits a lot of time, but bring them and play them. It throws off the dynamic of the team when you don't come fully rostered. What about the kids that could have committed, but have not? How are they being showcased when they have to adjust their game?

Also, it gives the kids that play a lot a taste of what it feels like to wait for your turn and make the most of it. That can be a very valuable learning tool as well.

Are the Showcase tourneys now considered scrimmages/friendlies? Or, are they supposed to be competitive? I guess that will be part of what is all worked out in the evolving world of soccer.

Anonymous said...

Pretty sure that Penn Fusion was only team to keep players out this weekend but their mouthpiece will quickly verify this. Not sure about PDA but the others were fully rostered. The spin cycle is at full speed.

Anonymous said...

@8:11. PF seems to be the only team that did not play commits.
Had an opportunity of watching several ECNL team games. Other teams played their commits.

Anonymous said...

Pf had commits playing. Don't let them full you.

Anonymous said...

Months ago Hempfield high school goalie posted on instagram she had committed to Laffeyette? She played.

Anonymous said...

@10:08, PF did not play any field player commits. Most teams played all keepers.

Anonymous said...

I think prior posts re playing or not playing commits were referring to field players. I know I was.

Anonymous said...

It makes sense that they would bring their back up keeper in case of an emergency. I don't think that kids can show well missing so many key players. There has to be adjustments made and that will take a few games to happen. By then the tournament is over.

Anonymous said...

True @539, only saw one Richmond game, but one of their Tennessee commits did not play. According to their ECNL page, she is their top scorer.

Also the one PDA game that I saw, did not feature one of their prominent commits. Would be interesting to see what percentage of their PDP players actually participated in the Jeff cup.

Anonymous said...

Strikers only have a couple commits, I think they played

Anonymous said...

we talk about Commits as if that makes these kids game changers.It doesn't. I read posts that imply a kid cannot play well without being surrounded by familiar conditions and players they know. Nonsense. Really what I am reading is folks who believe winning is the only thing that gives a coach read on a player. Nonsense. The focus on all these irrelevant things just shows how little parents actually get it. All you should care about is a good showing from your kid whether that be a win, loss or tie.All the other BS is just that,BS

Anonymous said...

Some of the commits are game changers. Some actually understand the game compared with someone else who doesn't. If you have a keeper that has kids on the back line or in the middle that don't listen to instruction or direction or don't understand it, makes a difference. Are you saying it doesn't?

Anonymous said...

My daughter is a keeper. Played with a holding mid at centerback since centerback didn't play. It was brutal. She refused to listen to keeper and outside defender. Wind made it impossible to hear coach. Looked unorganized.

Anonymous said...

Yes @10:26. Or same with other kids in other positions. As one of the prior posts noted, it may take a few games for adjustments to be made and by that time, the tourney is over.

Sometimes that is hard to watch because the kids that understand the game get frustrated. When they put a ball into space where they expect their teammate to go to the ball and they don't because they are on their heels waiting for it to come to them or moving after it's where she should have been. Does this really help the team dynamic?

That same player that didn't run onto it, may do so with the other players that understand the game surrounding her because she isn't afraid to take the chance because she knows if she looses it, she has back up. Her confidence then grows. Isn't THAT what a Showcase is about?

Anonymous said...

What happened at PDA Showcase? Looks like 8 top non ECNL with Cleveland, NEFC, Cincinnati Cup, NEFC, Quickstrike, Santos, PA Strikers, Sunrise.
Were are the others like Syracuse, Stallions, ISA, SDFC, Arsenal, Patriot? Did clubs not apply? Serious drop off.

Anonymous said...

I hear ya 10:38. My kid is as well. At some point, she had forwards on her line and more. Coaches don't know that; do they?
I heard a coach (a pretty good one from a big time school) say that he saw one keeper at a showcase tourney let in a few goals and passed on her. She turned out to be a big time player. She would have been better in his program though (knowing the program). So, in particular for keepers, sometimes they DO judge based on what they see going into the net. They don't know the particulars re the parts in front of them re the other kids. And, I know some say, well, if there is interest, they'll be back. As I heard from from this coaches' mouth, not always. Sometimes, they just move on.
So, if a kid has worked hard all year and finally gets a certain coach to come watch and this kid isn't placed into the best position because the regulars aren't being played, how is that showcasing?

Anonymous said...

The PDA game I saw had their prominent commits. Well, they have quite a few. However, I am pretty sure they played their game changers. May not have in every game, but for this particular game, they wanted it. Look, I don't blame them. Their record is what it is because of the full team, not a partial.

Anonymous said...

Reading your comments. Very interesting stuff. My kid is a keeper. Plays lights' out under normal circumstances when kids in front of her know the game, too, and trust her. She had some kids on her line that changed each game/stoppages and would not take direction or instruction. Some would not turn around for the ball for quick transition. They didn't want it. Even kids in the middle outside were ducking behind the other team so she could not throw it out to them. Again, they didn't want it.

So, she was kicking into the wind and got stuck with the ball because kids that didn't want to show badly. What? She had to adjust her game. How did that help her? The commits don't have to worry about showing badly, they are committed. Other kids apparently do. And, as one of the posts above noted, when they look unorganized, who doesn't show well? The keeper.


Anonymous said...

A showcase is a chance for coaches to see several players in one location. If you think that a GK was passed on because of her defenders, you are lost. he saw something in how she reacted to adversity that put him off. How about if she played behind a great defense and face one shot? is that better? All you folks whining about how OTHER kids played, making excuses. All you are telling me is that your kids needs other kids to play well or she wont. Stop blaming other things and focus on what you can control. Every kids has good days and bad days. Every player from the best to the worst has to face many different challenges and how they cope defines them. Not how they play in the most optimal conditions. Maybe PDA win because the coach is better than yours. maybe he prepares his team better than yours. WHo knows, and tbh who cares. just stop blaming others for things perhaps not going your way all the time.

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