@ 1055 The reality is there are many different ways to play soccer. This binary thinking that it is either direct OR technical is nonsense. You can, and should do both even in the same game. The problem with the US team is that they seem to lack tactical flexibility. The soccer brains on the team are limited. If you remove certain players, the team just lacks any form of variety. You have personalities that are bigger than the coach and think they are bigger than the team. There are some really strong, technical players available for selection, but they don't get picked. Morgan Brian is a terrific player. Why is she NOT playing at CM and why has she not been in the team for a long before now? Wambach is a statue. Leroux plays with her head down and does not see open players around her. If Mallory Pugh is that good - then pick her. Let her go to the WC and gain experience. Is Crystal Dunn not good enough? I dont see how you can be one of the top College players and yet NOT good enough for the US team. I agree that Korea played more thru midfield, but realistically, how many good scoring chances did they create? There is very little impetus to change the USWNT setup. They are not bad enough to get killed and force change. They have a chance to win it if things fall right, but the performance on Saturday was pretty poor.
11:17 I don't disagree, but watching the USWNT at several age groups, I believe that there was an overemphasis on direct play. No Korea didn't have many opportunities, what I was focusing on is nearly an entire match where the US was bypassing their midfield and it was not necessary. It didn't seem to be the type of game that warranted a full game of direct play. I am worried about Germany, Sweden, or Australia for that matter. At this point, beating Sweden or Australia and getting out of the group stage is not a gimme.Jill Ellis is not about to challenge the status quo, the last coach who did that faced a player revolt and lost his job.
when you have Wambach in the team, how can you NOT play with any width? I would not have her in the team, but if you do, surly you need wingers getting to the endline and crossing the ball? Or fullbacks overlapping. I saw neither. There was no CM who could link the game, no deeper lying playmaker to receive the ball from the CBs and dictate the tempo of the game. In fact there was no playmaking on show from the US team. They looked like a collection of separate entities, like a bad showcase team put together without any thought other than who is/was the most popular.And yes, Sermanni was totally shafted. USWNT is a political place from u14 all the way up.
I just read the Philadelphia Union Boys Academy program, putting cost aside, it is 4-5 times a week training, 10 months a year, and players are not allowed to Play HS. I would beg to differ on calling the bigger girls clubs Academies - Elite or high level maybe. We let full-time history or science teachers teach our kids soccer for 3-4 months. Except for maybe football where there are not other options, what other sports do that. The fact that we do not have a true year round program for women from once they enter HS through 4 years of college is a big problem.That puts the warm weather regions at a major advantage where they can play HS soccer over the slower winter season.
@ 133 you are kidding right? Why would there be a true all year round program for girls? What is the financial incentive? Where is the lucrative pro career or the sponsorship dollars? Why would a parent what their child in this environment where there is no endgame? The pinnacle of the girls game is a college career. The top girls clubs are essentially clearing houses for the college process. Some get more attention than others and as such attract more kids. The top kids really don't need the top programs at all. The top programs actively seek out the top kids for their teams at u16 and above because they need to keep placing kids at good programs to keep the machine running.
1:58 Not kidding, just making the point that training 2 days a week for 1.5 hours is not an academy. It may be the highest level of soccer play for girls in the US, but not an Academy.There is also no reason why the "Academies" can't stop the HS play which is damaging to high level girls soccer. There full year model works financially up until HS so it should work for HS age players.
@ 717 how is it damaging? It can teach kids a whole lot of things that they don't necessarily get from club soccer. HS soccer has helped my kid become a far better player.
8:07 While HS soccer may be fun for the girls and they bond with their schoolmates, I don't believe that it helps the players soccer development. Many coaches will tell you that they have to break bad habits gained in the HS season. I recognize there may be a few exceptions, If a HS player is in it to keep developing and not for the social aspect than HS soccer is not going to help the player. The player who wants to keep developing needs to be constantly challenged and playing against better players. I don't believe the HS soccer environment does this. By and large, the HS coaches have not been soccer coaches first, can a history teacher whose primary coaching job is cross-country be the best coach to teach your kid. There maybe exceptions, but I don't think on the whole it is good for development.I'm talking in a purely soccer sense, I know there are social benefits that kids get in HS sports and there is a community that tends to be be better than the club environment that can often be cold.IMO, if you are an "Academy" trying to develop the best players and prepare them to play soccer than a several month break for HS soccer does not help that goal.
IMO girls soccer is not a profession. So you are preparing them for a life in college which may or may not include soccer, no matter how good you think they are. In that context, to exclude the HS experience does not make sense to me or my kid. I still contend that the concept of Academy can only exist where there is the potential for a career. it can be argued that the top girls clubs are BETTER teams than most colleges. If the kids enjoy it , they should be allowed to play. The sport should be fun.
There is no sport that is really a profession then. The likelihood even if you are in the top 1% is quite small to make a career out of sports and even if you do the average sports career is quite short. If a players desire is to compete at the highest levels possible for as long as possible which may only be through 4 years of college than I don't believe HS helps that very much. If the goal is simply to have fun with kids you go to school with, to ride the bus to and from games, etc, than HS Soccer is important to that player. I tend to agree that sports should be fun first, I think the huge eye opener for most high level soccer players is that up until now these kids have been competing in a single age group. The funnel gets smaller with a roster of 30 players spanning 4 age groups.Like everything it comes down to what the player wants.
@1205 - What do you consider the highest level for womens soccer and how many women globally would you say make in excess of 100k per year playing it. As far as HS helping play college soccer. I reckon there are HS teams that could BEAT college teams. So when you say highest level, clearly you are talking about very FEW college teams and maybe national teams. I think you are generalizing a bit about riding the bus etc and trivializing the HS experience that some have. I accept that for some it is a bad choice, but others can and do get far more out of it than you suggest.Not sure what you mean by your funnel comment, but I totally agree that it comes down to each player.
I don't think money and career has anything to do with it for a lot of players. When I say playing at the highest level possible for as long as possible, I am referring to what is possible for that individual player and it may just be to play another 4 years of soccer. There is no sport where it is sensible to go into thinking of it as a career because so few can get there. What I can tell you about my own daughter's experience is that she was a dominant HS player as a Freshman but an average high level club player. She knows when she is playing HS that the competition is a lot weaker. Perhaps a few larger high schools that have a large pool of players reach a high competitive level, but the majority of high schools are smaller, My personal view is that soccer in HS is Social. I don't think that there is a HS team that could compete at all with a U-15 Gunners team and probably just a few teams that compete with the top 10 teams.Anyway, I think there are only 2 of us debating this, I hope others engage, maybe because its a good soccer discussion rather than a negative club discussion.
Perhaps it is more to do with where you live. I know several HS team in my area that would destroy the Gunners on Long Island for sure,in Bergen county- no doubt.It is def not purely social where I live. There are ECNL/NPL kids who do not make the varsity team. I think it depends where you live. When you say your child was dominant, was she all state, all region or anything like that? Clearly the competition varies greatly. Either way, it is up to the kids to take from it whatever they want. The money/career has everything to do with it from a business standpoint. Look how many families invest in Club soccer with an eye on college dollars? if there was a viable pro endgame for girls, real acadamies would exist and be funded by pro teams. On the boys side, why do they exist? I would argue strongly that it is because of the pro option , no matter how small the odds. Acadamies exist in other countries to prepare kids for a professional game. I know of no other country in the world that spends money developing kids to play in college. If not for title IX ......
Both the NJ Group 4 (Hunterdon Central) & Group 3 State Champs (Northern Highlands) would’ve beaten the Gunners last year imo. I witnessed all 3 play. I’m not so sure they could do it now that they’ve lost their top seniors & Gunners are a year better. We live in a Group 4 town. Over 25 freshmen tried out for Varsity. Only about 3 or 4 got any decent playing time & that was due to injuries. The rest played freshman & JV. I don’t have the time right now to mention all the positives about HS soccer but I’ll take a guess at a question an earlier poster asked about how many women make over $100k per. I would say maybe 20 with all of them on the WNT roster.
Didn’t Heather O’Riley play 4 years of varsity soccer for East Brunswick H.S.?
Yes, almost every HS age player does and every other player on the USWNT. She also played for PDA. The question whether HS helps players or hurts them. I would tend to believe that if she played for the local East Brunswick Soccer Club and played at East Brunswick HS that we wouldn't be seeing her next week at the World Cup. I would would think that if she played year round at PDA and not played HS, she still would have wound up a UNC.
With regards to High School soccer I see it as mostly damaging to development. Most of the coaches are caught up in the 80's and 90's style of Kick & Run. It's a different game. In High School you can get away with it...but I am starting to see more and more Higher IQ soccer being allowed (notice I did not say taught) which is really great for the support.But honestly the typical High School match is gruesome. I've seen kids (track kids) make varsity and PLAY sizable minutes purely because they 'might' be able to get behind a defender for a breakaway and score. Is that what we are looking for in a game?That said, both of my players are involved with school ball and they love it for reasons beyond the quality of soccer. What the coach may lack in soccer knowledge he makes up for in team-building and character exercises. As brutal as it is for me to watch I am happy for my daughter...for no other reason than she is happy. Good enough for me.DCShore
My daughter is a decent Club player on the EDP/NPL level but one of the best if not the best(that's how bad it is) in her nerd school in Hudson county. It's absolutely horrible futbol and we initially had an argument on whether she should play. Her club advised her and the team to skip HS ball and offered 3x a week training during the fall season.Everyone know she can play and she wanted to help out the team, not playing was not an option. She knows it's crap but enjoys the status it brings. They're only going to young once. Like one poster said, even if you play Division I, what's after that?I remember this Brit from London(huge Tottenham fan) who lived in the neighborhood, had a daughter same age as mine and they both kicked the ball in the park when they were 6 or 7. Asked why he didn't enroll his daughter in the popular neighborhood soccer program where mine went, he replies, "What's the point?" I didn't understand it then. I think I do now.
Ultimately I think 'soccer culture' can be a very good one. In truth many of the coaches and parents I talk to, regardless of where their player plays has a similar story. Their player is generally an above average student, with multiple interests and a solid circle of friends (of course there are exceptions). Although I never articulate this directly to my daughter my secret hope is that she continues to play this wonderful sport into her 30's and 40's. Now of course this will not include professional or national league play...but that is my point. Do it because you love the sport. It can only be good for you and will balance life.I have grown up around and met too many fantastic individuals around the sport to think any different.DCShore
What's the point? Why do anything that challenges yourself? Why try to be a musician or artist and be great at it, why run a triathlon why do anything that doesn't advance your 15 year olds career. should we just pack up and fold our tents and just focus on a career at 15. Some people just like to compete and they want to do it it for as long as possible at the highest levels they can. So what if it ends after college, it's 4 more years of doing what they love. There are thousands of kids in college playing soccer, track, tennis, gymnastics, football, basketball and on and on for love of their sport knowing there will be little financial gain.
So what if it ends BEFORE college.
That's life, the risk of failure should not stop anyone from trying to attain their goals!
What's the point? I'm sorry but the point for me is to help my child continue to do something she absolutely loves. It doesn't get any better than that. When my daughter steps out onto the pitch, I see her transformed. She's in her element and she is beyond thrilled. She's challenged, motivated and hungry. So that is the point. It doesn't have to be about money, power, or status. It's about doing something she absolutely loves and doing it well.
5:16 Well said. Seeing my daughter play is the highlight of my week. Work, bills, problems disappear for 90 minutes every week. She lives for practices , games and team moments. Some kids are musicians, some scholars, some artists but my kid lives for those 90 minutes every week. I feel lucky to be part of her joy. I feel fortunate to be a part of her passion. 1 more year or 10 years it is all good to me. This is what being a parent is all about.
Can someone help me to understand the rules of the ECNL playoffs?How is it that FCBucks best player (national player committed to Duke) now be rostered on PDA and be eligible to play for them in Seattle?I thought you couldn't play for another ecnl team until the season is over?
Haven't you been reading this blog? PDA can do anything they want, they OWN ECNL.
No worries, in a couple of years people will forget she played at FC Bucks and PDA will take all the credit for her development.
This whole discussion is ridiculous and one sided. People CHOOSE to bring their child to PDA. PDA isn't banging on doors, making calls or dangling carrots. People CHOOSE to bring their children to PDA (if the opportunity presents itself) because perhaps it's the next step in their daughter's development. You can't always stay on one team forever. Sometimes you need to move in order for your child to continue with their development. How about some constructive conversation for once?
Are you sure about that ? How about that recruiting party ?
@210 Dont be naive. Clubs actively recruit. If you dont see why some have an issue with a kid joining a team pre Seattle, then you are the one being one sided. Personally, I dont care, but lets be real, others surely do.
PDA recruits year round, what they don't do is develop.
@409 Development is a myth. The top clubs want the top players. It is how they stay on top. No one has time to wait around for development. Money and jobs are at stake.
The point is that transfers shouldn't happen during a season and the ECNL rules generally only allow transfers during a season when a player moves more than 60 miles from their home club. it needs to be signed off by the both coaches and the ECNL commissioner. Sure having pDA on the board of the ECNL must have helped that process.
In reality it is not a big deal. Does the coach really want a player that no longer wished to,play there on the team ? Bad for moral. Yes both DOC's have to agree. I do know of a certain DOC that refused to agree when a kid wanted to move away from PDA. That is a dick move. If PDA is on the board, and can sway the decision on final say, then they can take kids but refuse others release? The rules should apply to everyone, and they should be just as willing to release a player, as they are to have another team relates a player to them. That is why they lose respect. The rules don't apply to them, and they don't extend the same courtesies that they expect others to extend.
PDA does not recruit...LMFAO!Maybe did not recruit YOUR child but the player next to her may have been recruited. And might be paying less than you as a recipient of a *cough, scholarship, * cough * coughDCShore
There is a lame duck rule. After May 1 st the ECNL allows the addition of 2 players for the remainder of the season. This allows kids who were cut to escape their lame duck situation and allows the teams to begin incorporating the new players after the tryout. Not much different than what happens outside of the ECNL. I think the U.S. Club card requires a release before August 1 so the club a player is leaving has to sign off.
This nice so how are the other parents at the end of the bench taking the move?Did they already pay for a flight and just realize their kid is on the outs now?There are 20 plus already on this roster so it's impacting financially and mentally for some.
If the release just happened then there is now way she could of been practing with PDA since May or else PDA is in violation of the rules.
I don't think you understand the rules. May 1st is the first allowable cross training/ tryout date
What's with the obsession about PDA on this board? Is it envy? Disgruntled parents whose daughter was cut? Or tried out many times but never offered a roster spot? Righteous indignation? Some notion of "fair" play? Claims of False advertising?I propose this: Take a good hard, honest look at why you would bash PDA or for that matter, any club/team on a youth sports blog.You are all a such disgrace.
I have received no less than 5 calls from a club regarding my 14 and 11 year olds. The promise of great training, college scholarships and 50% off club fees were very inticeing. However since we live out of state and they were only willing to reimburse tolls but not gas we declined.- I am not a robot
It looks like the rules are there in ecnl for everybody to use .It looks like matchfit did the same thing ,taking a player from fc bucks on to their roster , a starter for your guide. So enough with PDA bashing .
@645 ..you say use, I say abuse. Sets a poor example for the kids. No need to see things thru, just bail out when you can. It is the more aggressive programs that will take advantage of this rule, telling kids that they are far better off playing for a CL qualifier. Doe sit make that big a difference if the kids just started on the roster next season?
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PDA and match fit are much better opportunities for both of these players. PDA is a constant supplier of national team players and they will both have more appropriate level training.
@914 That may be true, but why does it have to be done pre-Seattle?
RIGHT ON June 7 at 10:48pm!!!!
Awww I am so mad and you PDA “HATERS” I don’t like the word but I would like to say PDA “Congratulaters” Yes this is Eric Harris and I am mad at all of you. I was so sure that there were going to be some post blaming PDA about the thrashing Germany put on Ivory Coast. I even made a stupid $10 bet with my buddy at Matchfit who doesn’t come on this board and I know that for sure but I made him a bet that PDA was going to be blamed for it on this message board. I wish you HATERS would be more consistence in your blaming. You are costing me valuable dollars here. DAG………….That was a true show of sportsmanship on Germany I mean ,hey LEAVE NO DOUBT right. We then you all wonder where our kids get it from and why we see it in youth sports…….HEY IF THEY DO IT WHY CAN’T WE. Oh and let me shed some light on (JUNE 8 at 8:02AM) see you are hating sooooooo much that you fail to see that PDA GUNNERS are PDA NORTH……………..SMH if you going to hate at least hate correctly. Oh and for the PDA recruiting comments………..YOU DAG ON RIGHT I recruit and you are CORRECT I have asked all the folks that went over to Matchfit to……………..COME BACK. Not because I don’t like GW because although GW does what he does I still like him, he is a good guy in my opinion but hey I want all those families to COME BACK and I stay it here and I will say it to their face or anyone. I like what WC has done for many years and I still like what they are doing but my man KJ knows that I have spoken to him about COMING OVER. Not because I dislike WC but because I like his family and they are good people and we always have great laughs and talks about soccer and everything else. Now does PDA put me up to this HECK NO…….I am a grown man and I take my actions on my own. Hey for my folks at FC COPA if you are not happy……………….YOU KNOW WE CAN TAILGATE……so come on back. On another note you do know that they are about to change YOUTH SOCCER to Year of Birth. I know they are making the announcement sometime after Labor Day…………….cmon please ask me how I know please………but after Labor Day they will make the announcement that will take affect starting next year. Eric Harris
It is done pre-Seattle to ensure the teams' best chance of success in this prestigious event and offer, in the case of the PDA kid, a better shot at reinstatement to the national pool and get the matchfit kid better exposure. Yes the end of the bench at both are affected, but when you sign up for teams at this level, you understand what risks comes with it. The best kids they can get play. If you don't get that, then pull the hood off. When you accept an end of the roster spot at most ECNL teams, you understand you are only a player or two added from the NPL teams and playtime is never guaranteed. In exchange their is very little politics involved because the goal is to make the club look great and stand out nationally by producing national level players and competing well in Seattle and hopefully VA. This model is not for the travel-rec minded.
Cant win the title without more national players. forget the kids who fought all year for your team - whether that's on or off the field. sad to think that could have been some ones spot and memories for the playoffs.
13-0? Yes, most have forgotten. Not them.You laugh about Germany and Ivory Coast and $10.00. Did you have money on the Pride game that week? Did you cringe when you saw that score posted? Did you ask yourself Why? You quickly defended the treatment PDA teams received a few weeks back and commented how poorly we treated those players. Yet you make light of it now. C'mon man your a fraud and you just made it obvious
<<<looking over my shoulder as to say…………..YOU TALKING TO ME!!!!!! @ June 8, 2015 12:45pm….Boy you better check yourself before you wreck yourself. Listen before you call me me a FRAUD……..look at your name………ANONYMOUS……….FRADULENT as its comes. Sorry it was 13-0 which I still find funny but hey I guess they felt the need to do it…………….would I have as a player………..probably but hey that’s the past. I don’t make light of the fact that it happened but how come you are not on here crying foul against GERMANY…………..Now you had a problem with PDA doing it but does the same rule apply to the GERMANS. When I seen the score 13-0 heck no I didn’t cringe………….my exact words was OHHHHH SNAP……..WOW……………THAT’S JUST OUTSTANDING. Those were my exact words because I was shocked but hey I will say I wasn’t bothered by it because its sports and I been on both sides in football in college beating someone 66-0 trust me its feels real good I will tell you but hey that’s that. Now with the GERMANY thing when I heard the final score which my daughter came running outside to tell me…….my direct quote from REMEMBER THE TITANS……………….”LEAVE NO DOUBT”……….now lets rewind back to this FRAUD comment…….who are you again. Don’t cmon man me, you better stop letting folks put batteries in your back and hoping that the commercial of the Energizer Bunny in you can come to life with me. Get over it man you’re not built like that you’re not even cut from the same cloth as me so being Fraudulent is something I am not. The only thing that is OBVIOUS is that I am Eric Harris check the my login up top and before you come back at me have someone change your batteries and look in the mirror you FRAUD. Oh and P.S. don’t worry about logging in your ANONYMOUS so hit send right away lolol coward Eric Harris
1245Yes you are correct about the pool, indeed its camp, but its hard to get back in once a player has been left out. Not impossible witness the NEFC striker etc. This is not a perfect participation award world. Play the best you have, including the new kids for next year (you can add 2 for the Seattle event) ... period... end. The end of the roster that won't travel should understand what they've signed up for.
109 .. I do not know how you can possibly know that. And tbh, what are you getting back IN to ? You really think that the fact that a slew of 2019s were chosen to replace the last group and now they will be ever-present? If they are, it suggest that they are now looking at younger kids. Only time will tell, but these camps are rather meaningless at this age. The pinnacle for this birth year would be to play in the U17 WC. The rest is really not important.
Wrong again my little energizer bunny @June 8 1:31pm……Thrashing a team at ANY AGE whether it be youth, collegiate, or professional that in MY OPINION but does it happen……………yes it does. Will it continue to happen……………YES IT WILL. Have I ever been on the side of a THRASHING yes I HAVE. Have I been on a youth, collegiate or professional team that has given a THRASHING…………yes I have. Do I REGRET either of them…….NOPE……because it taught me a lesson about life. The youth lessons weren’t taught at that very moment but in life as I go on with my kids it made me see what I didn’t see back then and that’s the other kid that it was happening to as these kids are not seeing. Did my coach know what he was doing…………….YEP, but I assure you if you ever seen on ESQUIRE the show FRIDAY NIGHT TYKES……that’s the environment that I grow up in and trust me my coaches could care less about what the other team felt. You are handling the statement exactly how I expect you to because you were one of the guys crying FOUL on PDA for allowing what happened because it was so unsportsmanlike but then you sit there and SAY NOTHING to the fact of what GERMANY did and guess what we haven’t seen the last of it, because if they are counting goal differential…………..it’s about to get real ugly lol lol. You choose to remain anonymous not by choice but because you know what you say is not correct and just nonsense that’s why you remain anonyomous. You stand there a slave to some BLOG and in fear of what your peers may think of you. This way you can “TRY” to get at me and TRY to pose your thoughts and maybe hopefully that I will feel bad or sorry about what I say…………………….Let me help you…………NEVER NEVER NEVER will I. I say what I feel and if you want to try and twist it and turn it to make me the SCAPEGOAT then guess what SO BE IT……………….IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!!!! I shy away from none of it because I know I have never taken one shot at any kid or TEAM of kids. I support them ALL regardless of race, sex or religion. My position may be wrong in your eyes but in mine I am DEAD ON and I hope that what I say is VERY CLEAR to you or whoever because I am clearly not fazed by any comments directed at me and that’s why I always leave my name. My mother gave me the name I am going to us it. Anonymous is not my name …..ERIC HARRIS is.
"Back in to"- the camp invitee list. And uh the class the kid is in doesn't matter its birth year. I think there were one or 2 underage kids at most invited to the recent u16 (2000) camp. It was however combined with a u15 camp.
You really think a camp invitee list exists? And you think they just dropped the kids from the last camp? Nah, there is a pool and they invite kids based on a wide variety of criteria. Certainly they do not always invite the best players. They are constantly looking to see new players and new talent, as they should. I think that the kid has great ability. If she has become unhappy where she is, time to move. If she is happy in the new environment, she will play better. Clearly she was good enough to get in the pool without PDA and is good enough o go to ANY camp.
Why does this blog get so heated and antagonistic? Listen, life is tough - no one hands you anything. Unless you happen to be a part of the 1%, I was raised, and I raise my children to understand that you have to work HARD for anything that you want in life. Now, anything worth having means sacrifice, hard work, perseverence. That being said, most companies, professional teams, hospitals, law firms, etc - want the best of their profession. That's just LIFE. When has everyone gotten so COMPLACENT and decided that life should be about being FAIR? I hate to tell you this, people, but LIFE ISN'T FAIR. No one is going to just hand you or your child opportunites because it was the right thing to do. If you are going to compete at the ECNL level (or any top level for that matter), you have to understand going in that no ones position is ever guaranteed. If you child is good enough to get on the team - that's not enough. They have to be good enough to continue to grow, continue to compete and continue to contribute. You can't get complacent. That's what a competitive environment is. There is no mystery. It is what it is. If you don't like the terms, no one is saying you have to sign on.
BTW,Eric Harris is a real person. My buddies and I were laughing over some of his emails that he sends as the age coordinator for the JAGS league. The incoherent rants you read above are actually the same he sends out to dozens of coaches throughout the state.Eric, you owe me a beer. The beer I spit out while reading some of your nonsense you send out to coaches in other clubs.Glad you found success in football as it will not be there for you as a writer, comedian, or commentator. DCShore
Some people feel think a name is more important than a principle.
Listen fool @ June 8, 2015 3:06pm……..if you want a rise out of me you have to come better than that. That was really weak I must say and who is “Mia”………live through my kid or kids…….first of all I have two beautiful daughters who by far are better at soccer than I could ever be at a young age. Living through them for soccer would first of all dummy have to erase my past of what I have accomplished as a ex NFL player as myself. Now why would I want to do that………………….I would say you have an argument if I had a son which I don’t. God has BLESSED me with what I have in my beautiful children. Now do I eat, sleep, drink my children…………….yes I do. I love them and I could care less if they are playing soccer, hop scotch, flute, having a water balloon fight, signing in the choir, helping load a container full of medical supplies going to West Africa…………….I will support them and cheer them on like no other. Now if you call that living through my kids…………………….IM GUILTY……….sorry but I am. But me living through them…………hummmmm have you ever been given a NFC Championship ring before……………..I don’t know that answer but I do know that they have only held one and unfortunately they will never earn one because I doubt they can ever reach those heights in football. Now in two years guess what I will still be here dummy because I have a much younger daughter lol lol lol so once again you are wrong and still ANONYMOUS to me lol lol lol. Talk about maturity…..how come you have to say what you say anonymously………….now that’s immature. Its almost like making a CRANK call…….you got something to say but you don’t use your real name…………..Yeah that’s MATURE…….you are sooooo suspect and guess what I am very immature just ask my kids I love being a kid with them………Eric Harris
If you can't explain something succinctly, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein
Eric and the art of the PDA post game speech, long and incomprehensible.
@3:28pm June 8, 2015……sorry I don’t drink. Never have never will. Personally I think it smells gross but nevermind that. First of all stop lying………you were not sitting around with anyone. And again I can say what I say because I am who I am. You could never do it because reality would set in quick for you. You would realize how frail you are emotionally. I wonder if you cut and paste most of the stuff you write. This is what I say to you and trust me I say it with truth and fairness. If what I say is not comic or funny……………….why spit out your beer????? I never claimed to be a writer. I don’t have to I have spell check and I have a lot of you to remind me……lol but do you see me changing…………….NOPE I don’t have to because I am confident that you are going to read what I say regardless. Matter of FACT ………………I know you are going to read it. I know this because you have NO CHOICE. Let your friends read this….if they want me to buy them a beer…………..invite me. Like I said you’re not built for it dude so stop pretending. Do I have to put you in time out again…………..I stopped talking to you for awhile because I choose to……….now I am throwing you a bone. Don’t make me take away from you. I control you and what you write, you do know it. Of course I am just saying what I want to make you come back at me lol lol lol and of course prove my point. Eric Harris…………watch my phone ring again from a couple buddies of mine reading with laughter lol lol
@325 I feel you miss the point. When you take my money, we create a contract. I believe that both parties should fulfill that annual contract. Your comparisons to real life professions make little sense in this context. It could be argues that in the case being discussed, the Club are the ones being complacent and they are sending a message that says , hey if we cannot win with what we have, we will just add new ones come tournament time. Is that not telling the kids , hey, no need to be loyal or committed or hard working, we will replace you anyway. No need to stick with your team for a year because if you are good enough, just jump to another one. No need to fulfill your annual commitment to your teammates because hey, it does not matter.You see, it can be spun many ways if you want.This is the environment we are now in, I get it, but it does not make it right. Nowadays Coaches have made it clear that they think they are the stars. Don't like me? think I could do better? F you, I will take MY team and MY ball and go elsewhere, there is always one Club that is desperate enough to bite. Great players, and there are very few, will have the pick of places to play, I just wish they had to see out the year before moving on unless external circumstances dictated otherwise. Maybe in thee cases, they do.
The bylaws of the ECNL and most youth organizations are meant to discourage mid season transfers. The youth soccer environment would be far worse if all players were free to move at will and the in season recruiting would be far worse. Read the ECNL rules, a change in geography is the only cited acceptable reason for an on season transfer.
Eric, are you really trying to equate Germany with PDA. Germany is playing for positioning in the next round and are trying to ensure a number 1 placement in the next round. Goal differential matters and 2 other teams still have to play the Ivory Coast and will be playing for goal differential. In PDAs win over Voorhees 1-0 or 13-0 meant nothing except in the eyes of a coach with low self-esteem. In a game where the outcome had no bearing on placement after the group stage. I doubt Germany would have piled on.your rationalizations absurd. You really think the USWNT are shaking in their boots because Germany beat the Ivory Coast 10-0.
Hey DC shore,Lay off.You obviously don't know Eric.Eric is one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. Supports his daughter and the Gunners but never has a bad word to say about other teams, other teams' parents', other teams' coaches or the refs.Wants to see his daughter's team win but will be just as effusive with his praise of other teams and other teams' players when they perform well.If everyone behaved on the sidelines like Eric does, the soccer world would be a much better place.
Get off his nut sack!!!
If he joins into the conversation than he is subject to the same ridicule. He has chosen to participate so he gets no special treatment.
@7:07I will not lay on or lay off anyone.I will respond to whatever I wish whenever I wish. Eric does the same and Eric Harris himself is commanding that I respond (read above). Maybe you should address him.And Eric when have I ever posted under anonymous? You have addressed me as DCShore several times for a reason.DCShore
Please even PDA parents wish he would shut up. Yes, they have said he is embarrassing. If you speak in public the same way that you write, I'm afraid you may have suffered one too many concussions.To not be aware that fellow PDA parents are embarrassed by your rambling nonsense, and to have appointed yourself the PDA defender and public relations manager, is further evidence of possible TBI. We all just scroll right on by now, because, we know that punctuation is your personal demon.
I was trying to enjoy the game last night until a saw a Nike commercial with PDA (Actors/Kids) in it. There's your spit out your drink moment.
I am no PDA supporter on this blog, but I try to stick to soccer. 8:03, you are just petty and bitter. It is a shame that you can't move on from whatever happened to you and our daughter. I didn't see the ad but if it were players it sounds like it was something special for them.
Of my not even 24 hours and I have a lot to respond to lol lol. @June 8 7:07pm all I can say is thanks and I am glad that you know I have never comment negatively about any child or youth TEAM made up of CHILDREN….and trust me I put that guy on TIME OUT as I did in the past. See I control his actions here and in the league and he hates that’s but lol lol it is what it is but as of right now until I choose to mention his lame, sensitive, scared, insecure, etc butt on TIME OUT until I get invited to buy a beer. So as of now no worries he ain’t built as he thinks he is. @June 8, 8:39………do you actually think what you say or anyone else says bothers me in ANY WAY…..I use my name so that you can use it when you address me either here or in the physical so what are you talking about. You are right I am in the conversation and guess what I am running it. Nevermind participating in it…..I AM IT. Trust me you are giving me the special treatment because I go by name not an alias as a drug dealer on the street to try to go undetected or go under the radar. @ June 8 11:24pm you want me to shut up……..like my momma always said come make me……maybe that works for your spouse or children but I am neither and trust me talking about embarrassing……….yes I am but don’t think for one minute that you are not. The fact that you and others remain anonymous you get the embarrassing PASS…………….B#%*$H please you are in the same boat that I am I just choose to leave my name because I am not EMBARRASSED by anything I say or say it to. Unlike you and others you have to hide and try to justify that you being anonymous is a choice that you make. I can B---S on that also because I feel that YOU HAVE TO remain anonymous because if you don’t you couldn’t handle being called an EMBARRASSMENT or whatever else they call me. See I can handle that because my personality is just that…….I really don’t care what people think of me. I have been judge all my life as we all have but I have grown to raise above that and keep to the grind and if people aren’t talking about you then something must be wrong rather its good or bad. When I write it has an effect on YOU. Sure maybe it’s a bad effect but I still effect your feelings and thoughts for the whole day as this will. For one I am not any personal defender of PDA….I defend where ever my children is occupy. If its PDA you are 100% right because they are there and they love it there and they love the people there and to have some lousy grown folks try to spit fire at that you are right I will defend my kids happiness 100% and better yet I will defend your kid and the next if someone was to come on here and spit fire at them. Believe it or not kids do come on here and read this, this I know firsthand because the young girl told me that she reads it. Saying that a lot of what you and your pose say at times can be hurtful to this kids. I did ask her if what I was saying was offensive or did it bother her and of course she laughed and said NO those people are stupid…….lol lol I had to say I agreed with her. I tell you last night we were at a get together for the World Cup and I happened to be sitting with some folks and I said to them because I know they read this and some claimed to never write but my direct reaction to it was and I quote……”NOOOO-WAY….if you are reading it then at some point you will be writing and you do write” lol lol lol there is no way you can read and not write….Impossible. @June 9 8:03am……………….THAT WAS TOO FUNNY and trust me before it aired I had already known about it and was telling people at dinner about it before it aired…………….when it actually aired at halftime………………man it was crazy and it got REAL…………and of course my daughter looked over at me and nodded her head and to say “THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING”………………Eric Harris
For all you none PDA parents ....... good luck in Seattle.... you will need it.ALL THE WAY WITH PDA!!!!!!HATERS................................................
The man has spoken. The spotlight has faded but the twinkle of a candle still shines on him. When will you allow your child to step into the spotlight? Your shadow is blocking her out. It's her time now, move aside.
11:16 how is calling yourself "DCSHORE" any different than anonymous?
PDA will do well in Seattle. The new kid is the spark in the midfield they need to take it to the next level. Matchfit also picked up a player. They will also do well. Great move for the Bucks kid. Better kids to train with and against, instant recognition and credibility and a political advantage in selection processes. PDA gets boost in potential success of the 99s, another national player and improved club visibility. Sounds like a good move to me.
Great move perhaps. Do you know the details of the non soccer side of the move - travel time, school work etc? Probably not. Instant recognition? please, she is well respected already. Political advantage? Surely the players should earn their spots on the field. Better players? well another team mate just left and that team she left won 8 games in conference. one less than MF and the same as WC. How does one kid improve club visibility?A move is a move and the family know why they did it. I totally respect that. your comment seems to put down the team she is coming from. I don't know how long she was there, but the spark you refer to was clearly nurtured there. Have some respect for that. I am pretty sure the PDA coach does.
Fact is that in-season transfers should not happen except in rare circumstances. Youth soccer would be a complete mess if every kid who was unhappy or sought a better opportunity moved in season. A league loses credibility when it can't abide by its own rules. First, here are the criteria for a transfer and they "Must" be met::CRITERIA TO TRANSFERThe following must be met for a player to be eligible to transfer during the ECNL Regular Season:1.The ECNL Registered Player’s family moves to a new geographic area;2.The Director of Coaching of both the prior ECNL Club and the proposed new ECNL Club consent to the transfer in writing;3.The new ECNL Club has an available permanent roster spot on an ECNL Roster; and 4.The ECNL Commissioner consents to such transfer in writing.5.ECNL reviews all player transfer request on a case-by-case basisalso:Rule:An ECNL Registered Player may not play for more than one (1) ECNL Club during the ECNL Season.
It's not a transfer. That's where you are wrong
Please enlighten me as to what it is then and what part of the ECNL rules allow a player to play for 2 ECNL clubs in the same season. Please point me to the spot in the ECNL Rules that allows players to move to a new ECNL club in-season.This directly from the ECNL Handbook seems pretty clear: An ECNL Registered Player may not play for more than one (1) ECNL Club during the ECNL Season.
Well, the season is over. We are entering the Post-season:) Folks, its done. The only people this maters to are the family and they are good, decent people. They are making the best move for their child and family. I wish them all the best.
It is also the case that after May 1, rosters are frozen for the remainder of that ECNL year. I guess the rules only apply when your club follows them. Here is a link to the Handbook, please show me where an ECNL player can move clubs. All leagues have these rules because they do not want open an free movement of players during a season.https://www.dropbox.com/s/f9hqbqcb3f9ysr7/2014%20-%202015%20ECNL%20Member%20Club%20Handbook%20.pdf?dl=0
The ECNL season is not over it ends July 31. I guess you miss the broader point, it is not about a specific player or a club. There are rules in place for a reason and it is there to protect the integrity of the game and of a team's roster as well as to prevent movement of players at will. It goes against the integrity of the sport when a team that earns its spot in a playoff is not the same team that plays in a playoff. If there was not broader issue with player transfers at will then there would be no reason for rules. If Clubs on their own could be trusted to protect the integrity of the game then you wouldn't need rules.
@ June 9, 2015 at 11:13 AMWhat about the other families and kids that are already on PDA.Is that the best move for them before the season has ended? Its not just about this one girl coming in at the end of the season. ITs about all the others that worked hard in many different ways to get to Seattle.
11:23, that's exactly my point. The rules are in place for a reason and part of the integrity that is lost is when someone who earns a spot for the season gets pushed aside, and the team that earns the playoff spot should be the team that plays. This leaves me with a general distaste as well. At least you have to give credit to the Bucks coach who didn't stand in the way of the player, a lot of coaches would not have allowed this.
PDA forced the hand - Lets get that straight.She wasn't allowed to practice with them unless she removed herself from Bucks and was put on the roster for Seattle.PDA POWER!
11:49 What's the point, she wouldn't let her practice until she left Bucks. What part of not being allowed to play for 2 ECNL clubs in the same ECNL season is not understood, forcing their hands or not.
June 9, 2015 at 12:04 PM It was more so to get her to come play for PDA in Seattle and not her FC Bucks team.That's my point!!!!!
don't forget MatchFit. they did the same thing. An unhappy player is not worth keeping. It kills the morale of the rest of the team especially if that player is the best on your team. A player like that does have extra pressure to set an example for the rest. they just do. If she was no longer happy, no reason to keep her around. I can see why folks are upset, but if its done, it must be within the rules, so lets drop that. I think it is VERY hard to be the leader and focal point of any team. so when you say not pushed hard enough, do you mean by the trainers? by whom? Playing with better players is markedly easier, if that will be the case. I cannot comment on the training sessions.I will say this, I am sure there are other kids on ECNL rosters who are not getting playing time who could leave and go to teams that are going to Seattle(all are) and play. So are they jumping ship now as well? Or is this simply clubs using the CL carrot to force the moves through now.
Am I the only one not seeing the fcbucks player that switched to match fit?? Someone help me out please where do I find this
My daughter played with her at the age of 8-9 where after being in a division 3 fall league, she led the team to win 2 back to back challenge cup state championships, in which one we beat fc bucks. She is truly an amazing player ,even at the age of 8 . No matter what team she's on, she will lead that team to success. Anyone would be lucky to play with her on the field. I 100% respect their decision. Even at a young age you could tell all she wanted to do was improve her play, and I feel like this move to pda is just another step in her successful career just like her move to fc Bucks years ago was.
"and of course my daughter looked over at me and nodded her head and to say “THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING”"...of course she did. That's the kind of class we have become in this day and age. Of course I don't blame her. How could she know better.DCShore
p.s. don't be mad. Remember you commanded me to make that reply like all the rest.DCShore
Is any club switching over to birth year this fall?
Who is FC Bucks girl going to MF? Didnt hear about it and can't find her on roster. Fc Bucks girl who went to PDA is already on roster.
here's the rules that allow the situation with the Bcuks -PDA situation:The Bucks DOC graciously supported the transfer.the transfer rule:3.14Player Transfers. An ECNL Registered Player may not play for more than one ECNL Club during the ECNL Season, unless: (i) the Director of Coaching of both the prior ECNL Club and the proposed new ECNL Club consent to the transfer in writing; (ii) the new ECNL Club has an available spot on an ECNL Roster; and (iii) the ECNL Commissioner consents to such transfer in writing. The consent of the ECNL Commissioner shall be granted at the ECNL Commissioners’ discretion, and will consider, without limitation, the following factors: (i) whether a geographic move by the ECNL Player has occurred; (ii) how many games the ECNL Player has participated in; (iii) what time of the ECNL Season the transfer request is made; and (iv) other factors surrounding the request. If the prior Director of Coaching does not consent to the transfer, the ECNL Commissioner shall review the facts and circumstances surrounding the transfer request based upon the best interests of the player and the league, and shall independently determine whether the transfer shall be approved over the objection, and if so whether any additional suspension or conditions shall be imposed on the transfer. A player transferred shall be referred to as a “Transferred Player.” A Transferred Player shall be removed from the ECNL Roster(s) of the “old” ECNL Club. The ECNL Commissioner may impose a suspension, at her discretion, for any Transferred Player.Bucks was magnanimous in supporting the transfer because they graciously acknowledged that her development would not be best supported within that club. Kudos to them for looking at the kid's interest over the club's. All the best to both
@316 you don't honestly believe the development part do you? They did it because they have no choice. Why stand in the way for the sake of one week in Seattle? There is no way another ECNL club implies that they cannot develop/challenge players. If they did that, they why on earth do they even have teams? Just tell all your better players to go to PDA or somewhere else because they are better than us and we only work with lower tier players. No way they believe that.
They believe she should play up and acknowledge that the u16 team is weak and won't provide what she needs. They actually do care about her success believe it or not. Many clubs would not have agreed to the release and would have gone down kicking and screaming. They definitely did have a choice.
My guess and only a guess is quid pro quo,DCShore
And Bucks got exactly what back for their facilitating this kid's advancement other than doing the right thing?
so 419 Is she playing up for PDA? So FCB are saying, we cannot accommodate the best players in our club? I dont see what a weak team(debatable)has to do with it. So you win a few less games, so what? How does winning games make for better development? From a FCB standpoint, this is a big acknowledgement that they are a second tier club. Why would any top player even consider them? Or are you saying that development = playing for a better team? I am not convinced that PDA are that much better than FCB. Better, probably, but by a lot, no. They certainly are better with this kid. So when development becomes acquiring all the top players, who do you play against? Where are the challenging games? Or is that not part of development? The intensity in training amongst girls is just not there. As they get to know each other, the desire to really go at it goes away.Just debating her, I have no dog in the fight.
Would PDA allow a TOP player to exit their program in the same manner as FC Bucks? I just don't think so. Bottom tier player but not TOP tier.
No top tier player wants to leave PDA
Let me try and explain once more. However you guys who can't believe that a club might actually care about the development of a player who played at the club for 6 years might never get it. The player's optimal development requires the challenge of playing with and against more developed players than the 99 team at bucks can currently provide. The player would normally then play up on the 98 but that team at Bucks is not more developed than the 99. Hence she was going to play up on the 97s but that is not a good option next year at u18 because the u18s are not as committed as the other age groups in general. So the best option would be to find a club with more competitive 99s to train with or find a club with 98s playing at the right level. PDA 99s are a good fit and wouldn't be surprised if she trains some with the PDA 98s. Many ECNL clubs have the top players in an age group train up if not play up. Kudos FC Bucks for doing the right thing for this kid.
I believe 100pct that a real club cares about developing its players. I also believe that coaches and the individual are the biggest inputs into that. If you told me she was going to the PDA 98s I would sort of get it. She is one of the best 99s in the region, so I am not sure the 99s are going to be a huge challenge either.Good luck to her,I hope it works out.
My question is why for two months did it make sense to do this move now. The girl will play and train for maybe a month with PDA and then go off to HS until the Fall. Why not play by the the rules as they were intended and join PDA. Will the 6-8 weeks at PDA in the Summer really improve her development? Let's call this what it is, the kid gets to play in the National tournament and PDA gets to pad their roster. That is in plain sight.
I'm shocked she is not in Canada right now. REALLY being challenged. Unfortunately she just missed the cut-off last year for the MNT World Cup run.
If I am to believe everything being written on this blog, then FC bucks should resign from the ECNL immediately, and one of the top ranked NPL clubs should be admitted for the fall of 2015 . What other choice is there? If FC bucks cannot handle "elite players", then they don't belong in an "elite" league .
Quite the contrary. FC Bucks handled this unusual player well. Developed her for 5 years and then provided an avenue for her to continue to develop. PDA is the top club for girls in the country. Passing her on the them is not any type of admission of weakness or defeat. The PDA 99 team plays a level of soccer significantly superior to the FC Bucks level- especially without their top player. It is indeed a move up and further, we don't know if she will be training with O'Reilly as many top players in ECNL clubs train up but don't always play up. Bucks' actions fit perfectly with the ECNL model for development of players.
The two teams I have not seen play in years (more based on their schedule than mine) is the top Bucks team and PDA teams. I did see PDA play i guess about 3 years ago at this point and was impressed with the soccer.So I do not know this player which is a shame because she sounds like a real gamer.DCShore
Has everyone forgotten that this bucks team beat the gunners in the fall ? Also in the spring atJeff cup, didn't see any significance after being played by the gunners. I thought the gunners came in last in their bracket. Hard to claim elite status with those kind of performances
It wasn't the training that was the issue. It was the competition level inside the team. The girl is a special talent and her family believed that there was more talent that could push her at PDA. Wish her luck and move on.
It is just a shame that PDA will get to take all the credit for her "development". She will be featured prominently on their website when signing day comes around!
9:45 Simple question, why in June and not in August. Outside of the 1 year commitment teams are free to cut who they like and players can go where they like. Why are June/July 2015 so important to her development, how many O'Reilly practices will she attend in the next 6 weeks.Please be honest and call it what it is, PDA stacking a roster and the girl gets to play in the ECNL National Championship.
Nice deal if you can get it.
FCB did not acknowledge that the player could not develop in their program. The player asked for the move, FCB agreed. Why keep a player who wants to play for another club?
Why, because August 1 is just around the corner, it's not as if the player was going to lose an entire season of training. Still begs the question, if not for the ECNL Championships, why in June?
The development argument is nonsense. Good for the Player yes, good for PDA maybe (if it is not disruptive), good for development - No. If PDA and the player waited until August 1, nobody would be discussing it. It would just be normal end of season moves. In June it just looks opportunistic.
1157 has nailed it. I am not sure how it is good for anybody at this time. next season. Maybe it helps PDA to recruit other players, but if they win in Seattle, ho hum. All it does it put pressure on the team for no real reason.
11:46 -FCB don't want a player in Seattle who is leaving. give more time to other players.PDA - Get a national pool player for Seattle Player - Gets to play in the championships with a great team.Who is losing out? Or are you just looking for another reason to talk negative about PDA?
Right, PDA gets a national pool player for Seattle who didn't help them get there, that is opportunistic. My beef is that people are claiming it is for development. It has nothing to do with development, she can get the development next season with PDA. Who is losing out, the people on both sides who believe that they are signing a 1 year agreement. The girl who is now not going to Seattle is losing out to someone who hasn't been part of the team all year.The whole thing smells when you do it just before the championships. It comes across as doing it just so you can win. My daughter is leaving a team and as much as she didn't like it, she is staying with her team through the end, why because it is a lesson to my child that you honor your commitments.
Any parent either in the NCAA recruiting process or who has experience with it, I am looking for some direction.Are student athletes who are looking to play D1 or D2 required to register through the NCAA Eligibility Center website or not?
An 8 win FCB team that played everyone close including PDA is not good enough? So is the point that any good player on any team except PDA, FC Stars or MatchFit should leave because no other club in the ECNL in this area can support or grow a U16 national pool player? The non conference schedules determined the CL representatives. The Metro division is very evenly matched. PDA are by no means head and shoulders above the rest. If they were, I am not sure this move is made. Maybe it still is to close the gap to some of the better U15 teams in the ECNL like Solar or Michigan Hawks, but pre the move PDA,MFit,FCB,WC are all pretty comparable in terms of games. PDA and MFit are probably the deepest teams and that sets them apart from the rest, but they are by no means dominating.
I have seen FCB twice at NEWSS and Jeff. Cup, did this player play at these events? I do not recall an overly memorable player. Was she with the U15 team? Just curious
1:35Who lose? You need to take this out of the context of a single situation. Most soccer leagues restrict or impose tough penalties on in-season transfers to prevent exactly what happened. The system would be a complete joke if every player who was unhappy or needed more development jumped ship. Should we have a system where any kid can change teams at any time?
played at NEWSS.did not play at jeff cup @ combine
This transfer after tryouts scenario happens thousands of times/year across the country. Kid tries out for a new club and makes the A team. The kid is eager to start fresh. Old club might even kick her out as "disloyal" (though the loyalty is often expected by the club to be unidirectional). Kid leaves and plays last couple of tournaments with the new team. The old team invites the couple new kids to play as guests in their last couple of tournaments. Lather-rinse-repeat.The ECNL simply recognized and formalized a process to deal with this "lame duck"- post tryout -situation. Each team is allowed to add 2 additional players to their roster, assuming the current roster includes 28 or fewer players, after the May first roster freeze date. Not coincidentally, May first is also the date after which ECNL players may train and tryout with other ECNL clubs. If we weren't talking about a highly visible national level player and PDA, no one would even pause over this situation.
Whatever, but let's not view this as in the best interest of a player's development as the 6 weeks is irrelevant. This is about a player's exposure and PDA adding a competitive player to their roster in advance of Seattle. I personally think there is a difference between a tournament and a National Championship for the ECNL.
Everyone should just mind their own business and worry about their own kid! Get a life.
A little defensive are we? I think this is a good discussion on soccer, the ECNL and what is appropriate and what's not. I don't think anyone has been very negative about the kid or development, but the girls move raises some good questions:- Are late season transfers like this good for soccer?- Should a club be building their roster at the end of a season for a championship run?- Is FC Bucks inferior to PDA and therefore provides a better platform for high level player development?- Why has a club refused transfers of other kids, but graciously accepts a high level player to join them?- Does this type of end of season move have anything to do with development? or is it about exposure for the player and PDA trying to improve their chances of winning a championship?- Is the move simply the type of quid pro quo deals that happen between player and clubs all the time?While this blog can be very negative, I think this has been a pretty good discussion on why clubs would do this move, where are the best places for players, etc. I don't think anyone has ripped the player or the family for doing what is in their best interest, I have not read much if any of this.
0-0 "That's what I'm talkin bout"
1 yes. Lame duck players do not help anyone. They want to move on, are uncomfortable and make the whole team uncomfortable. Should they play much now that the team has new kids for the following year guesting for them? Unless they are trying to win a championship of some sort the coach will generally start thinking about next year and play new kids more than the kids leaving.2 yes as above and at the highest levels this player will help with the other PDA kids' recruitment as she is a very smart player and will raise the level of those around her. My opinion is at this level going for a chanpions league title you play the best kids you have... And PDA has this kid. 3 FC bucks is inferior. ECNL ranks it's clubs. PDA is much more highly ranked and is number one frequently. It consistently supports ( if not develops) national level players they are doing something right in the highest level development. 4 no national level player leaves PDA so I don't think the question had a historical precedent. 5 no bucks has developed this player ( though many others have had a hand in her development because the plays all the time) and live by the motto it's not about possession it's about progression
Players leaving YMS?
GK on PDA
YMS Pride is finished. Eleven players have now left from last year's roster.
Sio PDA has three teams to develop players from yet they chose to take players from other teams bucks and yms .That makes no sense to me ?PrideAthletica BreakersWhy are you wasting your money ,
USYSA is implodingcompetitive YMS and TEYSA gone with many players going to ECNLMatchfit and PDA sucking up all the tristate top talentBucks with NJ kids who didn't make an impact on PDA and some are really great.Penn Fusion sucking from DE, MD, and central PABut most compelling is that there is the loss of tophat and jfc to ECNL this year. Couple of CA teams left. ECNL B teams in the national league- don't need to say anything else.
10:22 Imploding, perhaps if the whole world were the ECNL. 99% of the kids play soccer outside of the ECNL, and your focus is only on the top 300 kids playing for a few teams.. My kid is not an ECNL player and very happy where she is at. If you were at the EDP Cup tournament, you'd know that there are thousands of kids outside the ECNL playing, competing, and loving soccer. We get that the ECNL is a draw for the kids who want D-1 soccer, That takes care of a few hundred kids, can you honestly say that the competitiveness of the NPL teams of ECNL clubs is anything special. Show me one of the teams from the Northeast NPL League that goes out and beats non-ECNL clubs regularly. If you open your eyes, you'd see that there is a world of soccer outside of the ECNL. Many of those kids will continue soccer in college, just maybe not at your prized D-1 level.
What PDA team took the YMS players? I would hope the YMS players are not wasting their time by going to Pride or Atletica.
It seems when you are play for ECNL clubs as their 2-4 teams, you are accepting a certain bargain. You play for an inferior/less-competitive team and in return you get the promise of the PDA name pulling you into higher level college play that you would not have achieved elsewhere. Is that correct?
Yup you are right. I really should have said that USYSA elite level programming is gone. Like you said its such a small percentage of the total market that they don't care about conceding it to US club. Also you are right about most northeast NPL teams except PDA and FC Stars they would beat most USYSA teams now. Matchfit and PDA have sucked up most of the tristate top talent. Some going over to Bucks. (One of their best players is from NJ)The northeast NPL (Ecnl B teams not stand alone NPL teams which like NEFC can be really good)) teams are weak because when a kid gets relegated from an ECNL team or doesn't make the ECNL team and is offered NPL, they don't want to take on the B team designation. SO they go to another non ECNL NPL or in the case of PA previously USYSA team like TEYSA or YMS. TEYSA and YMS (gk went to gunners) lost their best players to ECNL. TEYSA is bringing up their B team players as replacements. Therein is how the USYSA top programming is disappearing.
Certainly no one considers ODP anything of relevance any more and the best USYSA players will go ECNL if they are good enough. I would challenge the assertion at least with PDA that they would beat most USYSA teams. The fact is that neither Atletica or Pride consistently beat teams outside of their NE NPL league, and as this weekend shows, they are now barely beating or losing to teams that they used to beat easily. The ECNL "B" teams have not shown well at the PDA showcase, the Jeff Cup, and one could have easily expected them to win the NJ Cup with one of their 3 teams. At the Jeff Cup, none of the NE NPL teams fared well in very low brackets. The fact that is clearly coming through is that no one wants to play for an ECNL B team when the competition is either equal or worse than other leagues. As tryouts and the attrition of kids leaving the NPL clubs show, many players don't want to be in that environment.My sense is that PDA ECNL is more likely to grab a kid from another club NPL, USYSA, or anywhere rather than kids they have known and seen for several years. And if you look at the repopulation of the NPL teams after kids have left, they have not found equal or better talent to replace. The reality is that the B teams are not farm systems for the ECNL as they probably should be, they are financial instruments to develop their ECNL reputation which builds the PDA name. I don't know how you look at it an other way.
Is someone seriously saying that the YMS Pride starters all left for PDA? Is PDA starting a Pennsylvania team?
I think this is more a statement about the failure of US Youth than the ECNL. YMS has some very good players but not ECNL impact players. I suspect many will turn up on NPL teams as US Youth leagues are dying a quick death on the East Coast. I suspect the NPL teams outside of ECNL will improve.
@1:14 SPOT ON!
Have there been any Gunners commitments yet? The O'reilly commitments are not what PDA had expected.
Some, 5-6 are good enough for FC Bucks which is right in their backyard. The GK was good and went to PDA gunners. Maybe one more player good enough for gunners. the rest are looking at starting their own new "Patriot FC team" no idea why they would want to do that but whatever.
why are we so keen on early college commits? who benefits? seems to me like adults pushing kids to make choices that very few are equipped to make at this age. Wish this process was a lot slower.
YMS made a mid-season coaching change that hasn't worked out. The starters, as many as 9 or 10 I'm told, are following their old coach to Patriot FC for better training. They already have at least one kid committed to a D1 school. It looks like the Gunners got the starting keeper.
Are Patriot FC a new team. following a coach they like is a good decision but what tournaments and league will the team play in to be seen by college coaches.
I would love to see US Club enact a national policy regarding tryout dates. Clubs and teams have resorted to hosting tryouts in Early April at this point. I would benefit the players if no movement was permitted until August 1, tryouts should be held in June near the end of a current season. This early movement of players and lame duck situation is terrible for teams and players alike. Seems ridiculous to have tryouts when you have barely started your Spring season.
Gunners need a scrimmage before SeattleWe'll playBreakers
NEFC needs a scrimmage before NPL finals, prefer something better than Gunners, will settle if need be.
How are the YMS players going to PDA? I thought Pride and Breakers did not cut anyone. Are they carrying 18 plus?
Same clubsEasier to set up scrimmage I would think
The YMS players aren't going to pda. The majority of the starters from the YMS pride team, I heard 9 or 10, have left to go train with their old coach at Patriot. My guess is it will be a pretty good team considering it's the majority of their starters. Rumor is the remaining players are potentially combining with another team? Or maybe they will bring up players from their b team. Either way it sounds like the YMS team is going to be hurting
The YMS GK went to gunners no YMS players to breakers or pride
What the heck is going on at YMS? I know a premier boy's team recently left and now this girls premier team too. Across the board, it is practical that better players would leave for higher level training and development opportunities and that seems to be the case here with the YMS Pride.ECNL in Eastern PA is not the end all be all by any account, PA Strikers (an independent team) is arguably the best collection of players. Fusion, Continental & Bucks are at the bottom of ECNL and for good reason. Why pay all that money for average training & development, plus travel expenses to events but not stop to consider the alternative? PA Strikers has it figured out and who knows if this "new" Patriot team will as well.
You can't put the PA Strikers in the category of other teams. They haven't figured it out. They are a team not a club, and they focus their attention into a single team. And I assume that it's still the case that the PA Strikers do not play anything, that makes it unique, but have they figured it out, no, their model is not sustainable for all of youth soccer.
do not pay anything.
Do not know much about FC PA but I had a chance to watch them at the PDA showcase. Pretty good team. Someone was telling me about their team model. Unique and well respected. Maybe some of these clubs can learn from their model. Some of these clubs have so many teams and teams with in the same age group, that politics will supersede the development of a player. From what I have heard about this team FC PA, they are developing those ladies for the future. We looked up their website while we were at the showcase, all of their past players played at some high level D1 schools. I guess they got the best of both worlds, good soccer and a good education.
6:43. Why do you say Bucks at the bottom of the ECNL...They had 8 wins and 5 losses. Is there a stronger team in Eastern PA?
12:02 I am not sure what there is to be learned from the Strikers model. It is not one team per age group, it is one team period it just so happens the team they are developing now is in our age group. The team is fully paid for by one wealthy individual, so yeah it creates a demand for spots on the team where players want to play. There is no way to compare the Strikers to any other club. It is a one team club fully funded.
@June 17 9:28pm..........I over here just chilling I am not even in that convo......lol lol I do know that the PA Strikers are a very good team along with YMS. Its sad that they are breaking up YMS has always been a standout team. PA Strikers I feel the same about. They don't get the credit for what they done but another group of talented young children. Eric Harris
You can praise PDA for its play on the field but the help create a near monopoly on ECNL soccer in NJ. They have the US Club Soccer regional representative who is also a coach at PDA and they have a seat on the Board of the ECNL and have successfully kept other clubs from joining the ECNL. They fought Match FIt joining the ECNL for a while. Their geography puts them right in the middle of one of the most most densely populate region in the country. Funny that PDA likes to competition on the field but not n the ECNL. Eastern PA has 3 ECNL teams, 3 ECNL teams could easily be sustained in a state of 9 million people. Simply from a population standpoint, 2 ECNL clubs in NJ doesn't make sense and doesn't match the population distribution in the rest of the country.
9:24 AM/9:28 PM Your simply put, a dick.
FC Bucks are a good club and @ u15 were very good. This misconception about them is just unfair. They beat PDA @ News. They beat WC in league play. PDA,WC,FCB and MFit were all pretty equivalent this year. So if FCB are weak, then so are the rest.
With the exception of one or two teams like maybe fc Virginia or nefc the rest of the u15 teams are fairly equal. They all could play each other fairly strong for most of the game. There are very few teams in the higher end of the divisions that are completely dominant. So I think it's wrong to say fc bucks is at the lower end. Maybe they aren't as strong consistently as some others. The problem with fc bucks is that they are a bunch of individual players who don't really play team ball imo. Time will tell whether they bounce back from losing the two players. If they can good for them. If not then I'm sure you will be seeing some of their players on other local teams very soon
15 year old teenage girls, gee why would there be any inconsistency there? Aren't they all soccerbots by now? This age group is very talented all around.
oh by the way, before we crown the pa strikers as the start team, lets figure out if they have played anybody and won . Show me the record and strenght of schedule they play/played . Then we can talk.
NEFC? FC V? people are quick to place these teams on a pedestal. Believe me when I say if you put hose teams in the NE ECNL, they would be no different to the others. There is talent in all these teams. Some are more reliant of one or two and others are a bit deeper, but in terms of results, they are all pretty equivalent.
How do you thank your coach/DOC for not cutting your " on the bubble" daughter? Have him over for dinner, ahhh, the inner circle widens.
Yet the people stay. The team performs worse and worse yet the people say. The coach has created total dysfunction yet the people stay. People come on a blog to complain, yet the people stay. No need to than k the coach when no one shows up for tryouts and no one wants to play for you.
I've always wondered about the people who have time (or inclination) to watch teams other than their daughters'. Do you guys actually spend the extra time to watch a team of 15 year olds you don't know? Wow. To me this sounds kinda creepy.
OK Pride parent, keep swimming on the river deNile.
I continue to see post about who this team beat and who that team lost to etc.. I hope you all understand that this coming U16 season and following U17 season is VERY important for kids looking to be recruited. Coaches are looking for quality players on good teams that compete at The Highest Level Tournaments. They don't care who wins the game but your child needs to be there to be in the game. It is very juvenile at this point to worry about " this team is better than that team " at this point. Time to wake up people, there are other forums you can go on to pump your ego's. My car is faster than your etc.. good luck!
June 18, 9:24. You thank him by leaving! Why would you stay?
9;24 I think the poster was talking about his own kid, but speaking to how a coach is influenced by parents rather than having the huevoes to stand up to parents.
LOTS of posts being deleted.DCShore
9:24 here, not talking about my kid but a teammate of hers
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