Monday, March 2, 2015

U15G - U15 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 15 girls youth soccer in Region 1.

During this transition from middle school soccer to high school soccer, teams seem to change as quickly as the players do.

Stay tuned.

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Anonymous said...

I saw a few of the videos as welland it's good stuff. The difficulty is for our kids is finding the right environment for development of individual and team play. I think there is a real issue with the quality of coaches. I may generalizing, but most coaches have neve been trained to coach. They played soccer, they understand soccer, but can they teach soccer. I don't think so, and most coaches turn up at games and coach, they show up at practice at coach, but how many of these coaches outside of wins and losses are ever supervised and developed. May daughter has played at 3 higher level clubs and 1 mid level town team, and I have rarely seen a DOC watching games or watching how a coach teaches the game in practice. My sense is that there are a lot of good soccer players who are pretty average teachers.

Anonymous said...

How true. The problem is that most of the parents have no clue how to evaluate a soccer coach. Some coaches are good marketers. They are very personable and latch into a few of they key players' parents telling them that this is the best team ever and their kids are unbelievable with national potential. They are talking about "their system" (major flag) in their British accent and how their superstar is key to the team's success and the parents are lulled into believing they have a great place for their kid when they are 11 or 12. Why,because the snake told them their kid is great and they are winning games with a few early puberty kids. Then unfortunately when the kids are 15 they don't know how to really play. They aren't getting any interest from colleges playing in the 10 th bracket at Jeff cup or not being accepted at all. They realize too late for their kid to be able to compete at the highest levels, that their kid is poorly positioned for college level soccer. Shame.
There are coaches licensing courses and NSCAA certificates etc. No guarantee at all with these but at least a little assurance that they take their coaching seriously if they are B licensed or above. Best is trying to educate yourself so you can be more effective evaluating a coach for your younger kids. Our 15s are already pretty disadvantaged if they have been subjected to a snake.

Anonymous said...

@7:57
So very true in many regards but you'll have to accept my apologies in advance for not caring for college soccer very much. It's usually an extension of High School ball. Upper echelon athletes trying to outpace each other. YES there are exceptions but not many.

This is the age though where you certainly can identify who can play THE GAME. At this point whether you play for a town team or academy you either know THE GAME or you don't. The player scan identify it themselves now. No parents required.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

DCShore, I don't care about college soccer myself (or the so called scholarships available) . I consider the "investment" of playing in a high-level Club/Academy as a good addition to my daughter's resume to compliment her SAT and Academic and musical achievements.

I would like to think my daughter plays "The Game", and to that end, do you think this really matters to those who are not fantasizing about their daughter playing college ball or dreaming about the USWNT or the Pros?
-Alex

Anonymous said...

If she truly plays "the game" as you guys use the term, it's at a snails pace if she is playing town soccer. Else her team would be in national league or ECNL. Or at least the lame region 1 champions league. But as long as she enjoys it and contributes to the growing soccer culture in the US that's a good thing. Those of us with kids getting emails and calls directed to us by club coaches from college coaches are just delusional that our kids will play D1 college soccer and possibly beyond. Don't we always complain about the money being made by the clubs and coaches? Maybe my kid will be collecting on your grandchildren's experience. After she graduated from a top level school that your kid won't get accepted into with her grades, scores, and town soccer resume.

Anonymous said...

8:48 You are an absolute joke. You have no idea of the opportunities that exist for exceptional students. Just like there is a top 1% of soccer players, there is a top 1% of student that get afforded tremendous opportunities that you know nothing about, and it is those opportunities that will propel those students further than what any athletic soccer scholarship will get a player. There are kids right now competing for entrance into summer programs for science, math, physics, etc. Do you think that the top schools only recruit for athletics? The are teachers every day recommending the best and the brightest kids to special programs. Anyone who thinks that being an exceptional soccer player is more important than being an exceptional student is absolutely ridiculous. I assume your daughter has not been approached by a teacher to consider summer internships or ask to participate in a University Summer Scholar Program. You see, just like most kids playing soccer are not thinking about ID2 camps or ECNL, most good students are not thinking about advanced educational opportunities that will open up more scholarship opportunities than soccer ever will, and I am fortunate to have a child to blessed with the very high level educational opportunities and the high level soccer opportunities. But I can tell you this, If my daughter were to get accepted into a UNC Invitation Only Soccer camp or a Johns Hopkins Summer Internship, it would not even be a choice which one she would be attending. The soccer stuff unless you have the top top top level soccer player has a shelf-life, the educational opportunities will last beyond college. You may want to do a bit of homework as to the true opportunities that exist for educationally gifted students.

Anonymous said...

@6:38 PM

"I would like to think my daughter plays "The Game", and to that end, do you think this really matters to those who are not fantasizing about their daughter playing college ball or dreaming about the USWNT or the Pros? "

---> Sure, she may be. I can't know for sure, nor do I think it is important to focus on your daughter. I am ok with assuming the best.
I think it does matter for those of us who love the sport and want to see the U.S. more successful at it at the National level. It is also important for our domestic leagues.
I DOUBT any child's life will be ruined by not knowing THE GAME, but assuming most of us are soccer people we should care and that should be our goal at EVERY level. Some of the greatest soccer minds in the world were very average (putting it nicely) players. But they know THE GAME.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

@6:38 PM

"I would like to think my daughter plays "The Game", and to that end, do you think this really matters to those who are not fantasizing about their daughter playing college ball or dreaming about the USWNT or the Pros? "

---> Sure, she may be. I can't know for sure, nor do I think it is important to focus on your daughter. I am ok with assuming the best.
I think it does matter for those of us who love the sport and want to see the U.S. more successful at it at the National level. It is also important for our domestic leagues.
I DOUBT any child's life will be ruined by not knowing THE GAME, but assuming most of us are soccer people we should care and that should be our goal at EVERY level. Some of the greatest soccer minds in the world were very average (putting it nicely) players. But they know THE GAME.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

@8:48

I have no idea what your babble is about.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

8:48 Are you for real?

Anonymous said...

1109 If you are all about academics, then why are you on a soccer forum at 1109? Your insecurities are showing. The "academics" on here are expressing their frustration with their children's inadequacy by constantly bashing those of us whose children find success with soccer. All the while they are assuming that their children are academically more accomplished that ours. Read the literature on high IQ people and you will find that most times they are multitalented. Hence the assumption that high soccer achievement correlates with low academic achievement is summarily false.


DC shore, its about the fact that some kids can make a very nice living from soccer. In fact one of the frequent threads through the drabble is that the major clubs are making a mint and the kids aren't getting a good value.
By the way your reading comprehension might be lacking. Better get a tutor.

Anonymous said...

9:40 You make some broad assumptions from my post. You are the reason people dislike the big clubs. There is an arrogance of I am better than you that comes through loud and clear.

I am on a soccer blog because my daughter plays soccer and it is important to her. If you actually read my post. It is this crap "After she graduated from a top level school that your kid won't get accepted into with her grades, scores, and town soccer resume." It's this stuff that reeks of arrogance and is unnecessary. So yeah, I felt the need to point out that there are a lot of ways to achieve beyond a soccer scholarship and there are a lot more of those opportunities than are for athletics.

Anonymous said...

If soccer is important to her as you say is the reason that you are on this forum (doubt that is the reason but I don't doubt that soccer is important to her) then you have done her a disservice by keeping her on the local daddy run travel team. . But you know that at some level and that's why you are angry. Probably you are the daddy coach or one of his cronies.

Anonymous said...

Yes, put down people for the individual choices they make, I am sure that makes you feel better about the choices that you make.

Hey Eric, If you want to know why people have a bad taste in their mouth about clubs like PDA, it's people like 8:48/11:40 who feel the need to put down people for the choices that they make.

11:40 the truth is no one cares where my daughter plays except our family and no one cares where your daughter plays except your family.

Anonymous said...

@9:40
What a mess of a sentence. Mama must be proud.
Please tell me where you get tutored so I know where NOT to go.

I also get the feeling you never actually read what others opinions actually are. You never think what is being written through. You base EVERYTHING on your own personal first hand experience. Experience which for most is rather thin and shallow.

While I have no opposition to players becoming professional soccer players, can you define what "Good Living" means for the women's side? Comparatively speaking, the actual sum of money (pay) would be considered lower middle class by man. But YOU tell me.

@12:52
" the truth is no one cares where my daughter plays except our family and no one cares where your daughter plays except your family."

---> perfectly summed up. Good job.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

@12:52pm I see that as a way to justify the sterotypes or maybe the anger you have with PDA. See what the poster said was strictly his or her opinion and that only. Its like the folks that talk about the "GAME" or playing the game. Its their opinion how they feel the game should be played its not fact and in my opinion as long as you have a ball you are "PLAYING THE GAME" See I am not like the sterotype that you place upon those who kids play at an academy. I am still waiting for you to contact me so that we can sort things out for your daughter. I told you and my word is my bond that I will either go with you or on "HER" behalf and speak to whoever to find a home for that young lady at PDA. Am I making you any promises that things will turn out different.....nope but what I will promise you is that they will listen to her voice and hear her voice and then make a decision based off that and I do know that is a FACT. I am sure I have met you over at PDA South or North and I know this is not a place where people throw around names unlike myself but I am okay with that because I am me and I am very comfortable in my skin lets say. My true advice to you is only really respond to what only applies to you. Meaning that a lot of these folks have a lot of stuff to say but all of it may not apply to your child or directly to you. For the record you child is going to make it no matter what they say. I don't care what anyone says but EDUCATION is the way to go and if you just happen to be great at soccer its a bonus but I will tell anyone as I tell my daughter you will an EX Player a lot longer than you will be whatever profession you choice to master, so have a plan for after soccer because someday its going to come for all of these kids. Yes maybe some sooner than others but it will come so you better teach your kids to have PLAN B already rolling. Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

Are teams seeing much in the way of player mix up this off season? Kids trying to get late onto a better team for the spring showcase season? Any teams finding it tough to field a spring team this year as the kids are now in high school? Major player transfers in the works? My child is getting some texts from kids she knows from ODP and summer teams past inquiring about her team. Was wondering if this is a widespread phenomenon or a local one.

Anonymous said...

I have seen quite a bit of rumblings from people that moved teams that are saying that they are not happy. I think a lot of people underestimate the challenges of switching teams and having to prove yourself all over again. Most of the talk I have heard is switching for next year.

Anonymous said...

Anybody at there with their player on the first travel team they started with?

Curious as to what the numbers are.

Since this is anonymous, how many travel teams has your player been on?

I'll start off by saying one for my one child and 2 for my other.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

2 kids. Each changed clubs once Younger is only U12 and a very strong player. Sooo reluctant to consider a move even though the one other strong player left for high level club. Great match for her with the coach and the team. Inquiry was made about her last fall when we had occasion to compete against high level team. Only mentioning that because IMO that confirms she is in a great place and should stay put.

Anonymous said...

Only child, my daughter is on her third team. Three years on her first team, 3 on her second & in the middle of her second year on her current team. She never quit a team, both her previous teams dissolved for all the typical reasons. Her first team had a terrible parent coach, her second had an excellent parent coach & now I spend the money for full time trainer coach club model. She has been, for the most part, happy with all 3 teams & clubs.

Anonymous said...

817 your conclusion depends on her aspirations re soccer.

My answer: 2 girls (U15 is the younger) both spent first 5 years of u8-u12 with a local level d2-3 team with a outstanding (not dad) coaches. Neither ever went to an overnight tournament. However they both did ODP and secondary played for local boys' teams. Both outgrew their travel teams (I could tell you how we knew this to be, but would get us off topic- might be a good topic though how do you know you should move your kid) at middle school ages and both moved to national level teams at u13. Interestingly not to the same club because in their respective years the coaching assignment at the older kid's club did not fit the younger. They continued to guest and secondary with boy's teams.She's happy so no changes in the making for these last few years. No comments appreciated about your kid taking my kids' spot if she chooses to move to our national level club. If she has outgrown or it doesn't fit her goals for herself at her local or regional club by all means bring her to a club that better fits her needs. I concede that there are kids out there better than mine, if they get cut, then we will look again for the best situation for them as we did when they were 12. However, we shouldn't assume that staying with the same club for all of a child's youth soccer experience is somehow evidence of good character. There are clearly legitimate reasons to move on.

Anonymous said...

one child 4 teams.

1st one town team - inexperienced coach

2nd one looking for better coaching but made mistakes in my choice

3rd one - national level team but best kid on team.

4th one -play up year for national level club- last two years -perfect fit. starter but not the best girl on team-top 6.

Hopefully we are done.

Anonymous said...

855 was the 3rd and 4th with the same club? Just moved up to the older team?

ECNL teams frequently move the best player up. Especially if the team that they are on age for is not a contender for the national championship. Most of the time they are concerned with development over wins so this is rare. Check the rosters and you will see many kids are playing up in ECNL.

Anonymous said...

10;46

No. we had to move from one ecnl platform to another. They were not interested in moving her up.

Better for them if she stayed on age and anchored age appropriate team.

Better for my daughter to compete with better players and be amongst the core but not the best.

So we moved to another team 1 year up,

EcNL clubs are more about building teams than players. We simply, left and went to another club and put on the initial tryout application, that she was year older. She made the team on own merits,
when handed in birth certificate nothing was ever mentioned about the original birthdate. Either coach did not care at that point or did not notice discrepancy.



Anonymous said...

1102 just curious. Was your kid one of the older ones on the age appropriate team? Was she playing with her graduation class and now playing a graduating year up also? Not a problem necessarily with either, just wondering. Congrats to you and your talented player.

Anonymous said...

No 11;52

some where in the middle of the pact-2nd quarter of soccer year.

Do not want to say too much more -it will surely give her away.


I did it forger because i knew she could compete and do well. i did not believe what the other club was saying.

They just wanted a player that strengthened the younger age group.


Anonymous said...

I think the strict one year age groupings are too narrow. They would be able to group the players better by ability if the age windows were increased I have seen plenty of older players struggling in their group and younger players that would be solid a year or two up. There is such a variety of natural ability, interest, growth rates, etc.

Anonymous said...

agreed 2;48


but teams are not trying to build players to sell them.
They are trying to build teams to win tournaments and national titles.

Winning is the clubs bread and butter not how many National players they produce

Anonymous said...

So a knowledgeable parent solves this broken system by having their child try out for an older team unbeknownst to the coach. They are merely taking matters into their own hands and doing what the clubs should do but won't or can't, because of the forced focus on winning. Sounds smart to me.

Anonymous said...

2:48PM

Spot on if the focus is on developing soccer players. Love it!

DCShore

Anonymous said...

There probably needs to be a start time like U12/13 when considering club moves. My played on 2 local travel clubs by the time she as 12 but she outgrew those clubs very fast based on outgrowing in terms of skills and what the kids wanted out of soccer. She then moved to PDA, she had limited playing time and now we are at Match Fit. The first two clubs were parent coached good experiences for what they were but can't compare in terms of overall soccer development.

Anonymous said...

You were smart to move her. I am a big fan of the girl playing against the team that she got little playing time on rather than getting 1/3 or less of playing time just to wear the brand name.


After the top 6 core players, coaches have different preferences in what they particularly like in a player.

Finding a place to play amongst the same competition as the team she left is ideal.


Anonymous said...

Interesting read:
http://www.bennionkearny.com/Talent-Identification-in-Soccer-Football.htm
there are 4 free chapters

Anonymous said...

Pete
No one has anything to say
Can't wait till the season starts
And the trash talk begins

Anonymous said...

Pete
No one has anything to say
Can't wait till the season starts
and the trash talk begin⚽️

Anonymous said...

@9:22 - an excellent article, and one in which I agree 100%

My daughter is on the small side and not as physically strong or faster than a lot of her teammates. She does possess a lot of ball control and is quick and light on her feet in maneuvering in tight spaces, a smart player who is constantly scanning the field when in possession and will always try to make the smart play.

Unfortunately she's under-appreciated by the other players and sometimes the coach in the clubs she's played with. It's a big deal because it does not build confidence.

Anonymous said...

That is a great article. Sadly you can substitute U.S. with England in every way.

"The clich├ęd ‘not big enough’ mantra coming from academies and scouts is restricting the development of our own Xavis and Messis."

I could be parroting this author or this author could be parroting me....but the same thing is being said.

Thanks for sharing.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

7:08 PM 1/31 - I'm not sure who Pete is, but People have a lot to say about soccer such as having good debates about how players are developed or the benefits of kids leaving clubs. It seems that you want the season to start so you can start bashing teams in a game played by kids.

Anonymous said...

I read the link and I do think you you have to distinguish a few things. Most if not all of the clubs discussed on this board are not out to develop national Level players. They are out to have a good W-L record and win at tournaments. These clubs are not out to be patient and invest in players that may have an impact in a few years. At 11 and 12, I'd challenge you to find a coach who thinks about where they can take their team in 3-4 years and parents have no patience for clubs to develop teams. When the emphasis. For whatever reason, we want our kids playing on a full-length field as early as possible. Most soccer experts will tell you that the key to early development is small-sided games, smaller even than the traditional 8 v. 8. We have 2 major problems that will continue to hinder soccer development. Parents who need to see their kids winning and scoring goals at a very young age and clubs who feed into this parents desire to ensure that there is a constant new stream of kids that come into their academies. Even at U-15, kids should constantly be exposed to small-sided training. Soccer is a single game played on a large field, it is a lot of smaller games played on smaller fields that make up a full-game on a large field. So as long as the speedy kid can run and get the ball faster than anyone, a coach will play a send it type of game, if a coach has a bunch of big strong kids, you will see a physical game. It's the retultss now mentality that will stop kids from getting their true development.

Anonymous said...

GIRLS DA announced.
Birth Year programming.
http://equalizersoccer.com/2015/01/30/uswnt-youth-development-plans-academy-residency-ncaa-nwsl-training/#disqus_thread

Anonymous said...

You got it buddy
Here to bash

Anonymous said...

3:46 Nice article, the US Technical Director emphasizes the "ultimate American conflict" Win versus development.

Anonymous said...

All kinds of important implications to this. Which clubs will get the DA? Boys clubs? I hope not the girls will be forever second class. Existing ECNL? Seems like a good time to cull out some of the weakness and add tophat and legends. Are they all going to be free like the boys? What happens with the birth year changes?

Anonymous said...

If the DA is not free, why bother? Already by U14 many lower income players are already weeded out. Unless it is subsidized, the young teen age talent that gets a chance to play at high level will be the same talent that has the chance now. It is already a pay to pay system.

US Women's National Team will increase efforts to find players from the European Pro leagues, just like US does on the men's side.

Anonymous said...

There has been much criticism of the ECNL related to the fact that it was started by the clubs after they saw exponential growth in their boys programs after they were selected by USSF (PDA). The clubs said, if we get a critical mass of the girl's clubs everyone agrees are the best this self proclaimed top league doesn't need USSF recognition to succeed. And they were right.

Now the USSF will hand over credibility and some funds. They will choose the promotion and relegation not a board of clubs rift with their own self interest. USSF will dictate a style of play and grade the clubs on multiple factors. The grades will be in the public domain. for a start that's what's different.

The question is when will this occur? For the 2015-16 year? Affect tryouts this spring? Does the NPL follow suit and go birth year cutoffs?

Anonymous said...

I am curious as to what it all looks like and how it all behaves.


DCShore

Anonymous said...

DC, the current state of US Soccer is cronyism from top to bottom and this will only make sure that the cronyism goes deeper.

US Soccer is so inbred at the moment that nothing that shakes the status quo will really change, they are just going to pretty it up a bit and give it nice names.

The real shake up will be if they do go to calendar years because so many people that have been comfortable for a long time will have to compete again.

Anonymous said...

That is true. Most top u15 teams are currently heavily represented by the older '99s. Next year if this does happen and follows the current boys age groups the 15/16 academy will be 99/00. The very best 99s who are currently generally playing u16 or even u17 will likely play up on the 17/18 academy. There will however be a significant influx of 99s from the older teams. Both from within the club and from the outside. The DA might very well attract some quality 99s currently playing on competitive Usysa or NPL teams. For sure the '00s will see new players, but those u15 00s are currently in essence playing up under the new system. The special 00s who will make the 99/00 academy will be chosen because they have potential and will get reasonable time. The others should be at least core players on the u15 00 (guessing they call it preacademy ) team. Would be great to see the off year kids go back state cups. They would have a younger team than the others but should be competitive. Will be interesting to watch to see if there is significant movement with these changes assuming the academy affects tryouts for 2015-16 teams.

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Anonymous said...

@6:26
You are probably correct on all accounts. It bothers me to no end. I try to be hopeful. I'd like to live long enough to see the beautiful game being continually played by U.S. players from youth on up to the National Teams. The cronyism prevents that from happening in my eyes. We can only see rare exceptions and have to stomach mounds of crap and BS. Sad.

With regards to Calendar year I would guess teams might be grandfathered who are already playing under a fiscal calendar. Dunno really.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Grandfathering didn't happen with the boys. Not even sure what you mean. Most likely most if not all ecnl teams will be recognized by the ussf as DA teams. At tryouts the current teams will be dismantled. There will be an influx of kids- mostly those born in the first half of the year from Usysa and Us club teams. This will be even more pronounced than what happened with the boys because the DA was a new concept and unproven at the time. It's success in drawing college and national team coaches is now well established I have an older boy and saw it happen in real time. It's a good thing. It will remove the two paths division that weakened competition for all the kids. Maybe not in one year but over the next 2 or so it will be DA and then all the rest will be clearly second tier.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry but in my opinion Birth year means nothing to the types of players we are talking about. If they are good enough they will make the team hands down same thing as a Freshman in HS playing varsity.

I can see the DA having the 14, 16 & 18s and play NPL with the off year teams at 13, 15 and 17.

This is a good thing for the players that can play at this level and choose to play at this level - outside of that nothing really changes.

ODP take a back seat to DA and NPL. So girls that have the 'dream" to play NT will move or they can stay put and enjoy the experience good coaching and ticket to a solid college.

Anonymous said...

After the USWNT loss today, I read a few articles and found this post. It is better stated then I ever could have:

"We could say they were identified pre-Ellis/Heinrich or we could say pre ECNL influence. There is a discussion going on SA right now "So why did US Soccer think it was smart for 80 clubs out of 9000 to hold all of America's talent (or at least hope) when none of these clubs had produced a world class player before? Why did US Soccer destroy the entire youth landscape, by making over 8920 clubs irrelevant, scattering them to create even more leagues? Why has US Soccer allowed any independent body claim national control of the youth game, when they are FIFA's represented governing body?"
IMO, YNT selections are too highly influenced by people with conflicts of interest who make player recommendations based on the notoriety it can bring their club, their league or even their college. I should point out that Rose Lavelle was right under the noses of an ECNL club with great influence. She played against them, up an age bracket, almost her entire youth career. She even played against them in WPSL while in HS, but was still passed over for U.S. club Soccer's id2 that same summer, 17 months prior to winning the U20 CONCACAF Golden Ball. Is this because that club didn't offer an honest evaluation of her as any success could effect their marketing? Or, is this club just that bad at recognizing talent? I would guess it's the former and exposes one of the glaring problems with the current method of player i.d. for YNT. ECNL formation has limited where they look and has too much influence on who gets called to camp. Yet, one of U.S. Soccer's answer to 'development' is relying more heavily on their relationship with ECNL"

Anonymous said...

Tony DeCicco

"But for most of our girls clubs it's about winning. If you win, more girls come to your club, you're going to make more money, you're going to win more.

You'll see some decent soccer. People trying to play soccer and not just knock the ball over the top, and your speed player gets behind the defense and scores goals. Unfortunately, we still do too much of that and that player doesn't develop how she should."

Anonymous said...

Are the Manhattan Spring Kickoff brackets and/or schedule out. this is 2 weeks away. Did they post accepted teams.

Anonymous said...

Unless NY gets some seriously warm weather, they will cancel this tournament again. They probably are hesitant to announce accept teams because they are unsure of if and where they would have fields. If they cancel 2 years in a row, I suspect this tournament will start to go down hill.

Anonymous said...

I know there has been a lot of debate regarding ECNL, is it worth it etc etc. I've always said that depends on what "worth" means to you and your daughter. Does it mean scholarship (money), or maybe playing D1, or getting your daughter into a school she might not have been able to get into without soccer. Maybe to some it just means playing and training with some of the best kids in your state. Like I said it means different things to different people.

That said this was posted on the soccer wire.com on Feb 5. The facts speak for themselves, and for those who define "worth" as playing D1 the facts are indisputable.

1) ECNL has 1,357 graduating seniors.

2) 1,203 are going on to play collegiately.

3) 920 of the 1,203 are going on to play for a NCAA D1 program. That's 80% to D1.

4) In the 2014 NCAA D1 Final Four 66 players were former ECNL players, accounting for 90% of the Final Four rosters.

5) 2014 freshman ECNL alumni swept the awards for freshman of the year and accounted for 38 of the 55 total 2014 "All Freshman" or "All Newcomer" spots in the power 5 conferences. (ACC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12, SEC)

6) ECNL alumni claimed 11 different player of the year awards and 118 "All Conference" honors across the 5 majors.

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/over-900-ecnl-players-commit-to-division-i-programs-for-2015/

Case closed.

Sid

Anonymous said...

Team with the best ROI is clearly strikers. 100% play in college. Minimal investment by parents. Better stats than cited by ECNL

Anonymous said...

The case is closed that the ECNL is the best environment for kids to get exposure. There is a large open question whether the ECNL has helped or hindered soccer development as whole. Most of the current evidence is that it is hurting soccer development. I get that if you are in the ECNL you are not too concerned about the broader soccer environment, but you can be sure that if the National teams continue to perform like they are that there will be a serious rethink about putting most of the development eggs in the ECNL basket.

If you are going to quote statistics, put it all out there. Despite having a dilution of talent at the lower levels with a large push to ECNL clubs, 45% of the division 1 recruits are not ECNL. I personally think that is a terrific number when you think of how much harder it is becoming for non-ECNL players to get attention.

With the current failures of the National Teams from U-17 up, there has been a lot written about the flawed development system in the US. It will get a lot louder if the USWNT keeps playing like they have been.

Anonymous said...

12:20 - the case is closed not only on getting exposer but placing girls in a D1 environment.

Your complaint about the performances at the National Team level has nothing to do with ECNL even though most of the girls playing come from an ECNL environment. Remember there are only 1357 U18 girls in ECNL - how many U18 players are there playing outside of ECNL? LOTS. I would agree with you that the state of girls soccer leaves much to be desired. I'm not impressed with many of the high level D1 schools and sadly trying to find a school that plays a sophisticated possession style of game is next to impossible. When US soccer becomes as popular as the NFL then maybe things will start to change.

That said I have seen a lot of youth soccer and I personally don't see any other league doing it better than the ECNL - understanding its not perfect.

Anonymous said...

Yes the exposure and the D1 recruiting go hand in hand. The ECNL has made it easier for colleges to recruit because you get a high concentration of girls playing together. I think your wrong and that there is a pretty good correlation between the National teams performance and the inception of the ECNL. The quote from Tony DeCicco is correct. Clubs need to win and that is where our focus is. Fast and big are what is selected because at D1, ECNL and lower level soccer, you can win a lot with that and that attracts kids to programs. As much as D1 is recruiting from the ECNL it is now an overwhelming proportion of kids going to the National teams that are from the ECNL. ODP which has become less and less relevant had a much broader funnel to begin with. The ECNL narrows things down very early, and even within the ECNL the final is even tighter as to who gets selected for national camps.

The ECNL as an organization has been very successful, I don't think that you can point to any evidence though that the ECNL is developing better soccer players.

US Soccer is very tied in with the ECNL and they placed a bet that this will be a driver of the development of US soccer. So far, that has not happened.

Anonymous said...

2pm

I agree with everything you said and I have a daughter who plays in the ECNL. I guess I would say that from my experience, and the experience from other parents on the team, we never assumed ECNL would produce better National teams, just better opportunities for our daughters to showcase and play soccer at D1 level. From that standpoint it has been everything that we assumed it would. Most of the parents on our team understand soccer at a higher level and hate the direct style that most teams play. We play a possession style and still have a long way to go (tactically) to get to next level. We have a great coach and he is working very hard on getting all the girls to that next level. That's all I can tell you.

Are we "developing better soccer players"? I have no idea, but I would guess yes, but have a long way to go. Each situation is different and most of it comes down to who is coaching. I can tell you that in the state we are from we won state cup at U13 and would easily have won it at U14 and again at U15 if we played in it. Does that mean ECNL is developing better soccer players? Hard to tell if you base it solely on National team results.

Anonymous said...

2:33 I think the answer to your question is that you get a greater concentration of talented players at the ECNL. It is then logical that that team becomes dominant. As you drop down in levels, you have a fewer extremely talented kids on a team whereas the ECNL should have more talent from top to bottom.

Ultimately, the ECNL is great for the kids that are there especially if you are in the top 15 on your team. The jury is still out on the broader benefit.

Anonymous said...

Somewhat new to all this ECNL and NPL, what's the difference? Is it that important for my daughter and her team to be part of these leagues?

Anonymous said...

Depends on what your daughter wants out of her soccer. If she aspires to play in the ACC, SEC, Big 10 or PAC 12, then unless she plays for NEFC NPL or a Strikers in the National league, she should be looking at the ECNL. Many kids from the ECNL clubs play in these top leagues after high school. If she is more interested in Patriot league or even Big East, then she is probably fine to be one of the top players on her Region 1 "champions league" team if she also has great grades. If she isn't interested in playing D1 in college, then she can play local travel club.

Here's the link to the spreadsheet, that while not complete (most of the missing information is related to players and clubs who do not aspire to the highest level of play), is an excellent resource to give you an idea of where your child's club is sending players. You can also reorder it at the top by graduation class and by College. The college order is interesting if you want to get a peek of the soccer resumes of the kids committing to some schools to see if yours is in the range.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AriynKqmGsRwdGUyR1ZrSFFUbHFZblNCMnBNZnNqc1E&output=html&gid=6

Anonymous said...

2:33

How do you feel about losing? A lot?

Parents often say they want to play a possession game but what they really want to do is win.

A true possession game starts from the back and builds up through the middle third with good movement off the ball and quick 1 and 2 touch passes...

It is often one step forward and two or even three steps back.

Lots of turnovers in the middle and defensive third of the field that lead to goals for the opposition.

Which leads to losses, lots of losses. Painful losses.

And becoming truly proficient at it will take years.

Most parents do not have that type of patience.

Are you sure you do?

Anonymous said...

11:48 AM You are correct and winning is what draws people to clubs, so both the parents and the clubs are aligned on outcomes. It's also true for Division 1 schools, even the best D-1 schools.

It also means that a lot of kids get left behind that can develop into very talented soccer players and it means that the if ECNL is the feeder that they will not be putting out kids that compete at the highest levels.

I am fine with all of that except for the coaches who tell their teams that "we look for great soccer players, we will play soccer the right way, you won't get playing time if you not playing our style of soccer" yet the coaches most often default to prototypical players in size and speed and leave kids out on the field who make the same mistakes over and over again.

Be honest as coaches and say, we are under pressure to win and I am going to put a team on the field that gives us the best chance to win today regardless of whether it is good soccer or not instead of the BS ":I will teach your kids how to play soccer the right way and wins will follow."

Anonymous said...

11:48

In response to your question (I'm 2:33), I really don't care about losing I care about my daughters development. Luckily our girls have been trained at an early age (U8) how to be very good technically. By U12/13 most of our girls have great touches and know the basics about a possession game. Tactically we are still way way behind because we concentrated on technical. You can not play a possession game unless everyone on your team is technically sound. We always start the attack from the back line through the midfield and our goalie is encouraged to roll the ball out to one of our outside backs not boot it. We win more games than we lose but I'm not sure I would blame our losses on the fact we are trying to play a possession game. Our problem (when we lose or win) is that the girls are still learning how to be really dynamic and creative from the midfield to the attacking 1/3 and from the attacking 1/3 in. We are very good from the back line to the midfield. Most good teams can play through balls, play wide and cross the ball, thats the basics. We are now trying to posses the ball in the attacking third. We are running loops, playing the ball back for chips, screens etc. That is the next step for us and like I said have a long way to go.

Two things to remember. 1 - even if your daughter is lucky enough to be taught the real game of soccer, most colleges (including D1) don't play it. 2 - The winning thing is important, everyone wants to win but at this stage in the game (U15) the real meat and potatoes is development and showcasing for coaches. If your daughter has a great game and does everything she can and then some that's all any coach can ask of her. If your team happened to lose the game because another player made a mental mistake, any coach there would see that and could careless about the loss. Coaches / scouts are there to see players not wins or losses.

Sid

Anonymous said...

Links to articles seem to go over like a lead balloon on this blog, but I'll try. These are to good links on the win versus develop question as well as specialization versus free play. The one author author argues that we force kids into specialization with clubs very early where most other countries have kids develop through free-play. He calls it sports specialization versus sports engagement. It is good at least to know that there is active dialogue on this topic. The comments below the articles are also some good reads.

http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/osullivan-the-early-specialization-dilemma-in-north-american-soccer/

http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/osullivan-the-early-specialization-dilemma-in-north-american-soccer/

Anonymous said...

Jefferson schedule just posted

http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=39084&Gender=Girls&Age=15

Anonymous said...

Jefferson Cup is posted and Manhattan is two weeks away and it not posted yet!!

Anonymous said...

The Jefferson Cup will be in Virginia with 60-70 degree temps. The administrators in Manhattan are not sure that they will have sufficient fields or even a tournament with snow covered fields, no warm weather to melt fields, and potentially more snow on the way. I am pretty sure these guys don't want to publish until they have greater confidence that they can hold a tourney. It may be time to reconsider a late February tournament as this may be the 2nd year in a row they cancel

Anonymous said...

9:27

I read the article, thanks for posting. I agree with all of it but have no real answers on how to fix it. The money thing and "over work" is the biggest issue to me. Kids practice too much and the season never really ends with HS now.

My advice on the over work thing is don't be afraid to make plans and take time off. When my daughter was younger we used to plan everything around her "soccer" schedule. We finally realized after about 2 years of that that her schedule never lets up. So as long as we aren't missing a major showcase event we head out and don't look back. What's she going to miss another practice??

Anonymous said...

I read the article, not the comments. How about every club is mandated to do an open soccer free time day or evening once a week? The club would have to provide an appropriate amount of small sided fields with each one designated for an approximate skill & age group level. Kids would be free to choose which skill & age group level field they play on. A few club reps could loosely watch over things while the kids figure out how to choose up teams and play on their own, no coaching allowed. No parents allowed anywhere within sight or sound distance. Club teams both rec & travel would not be permitted to have team practices on this day. All coaches would strongly encourage or mandate that players attend. This would only address one aspect of the article, just an idea.

Anonymous said...

Anyone watching the u17 YNT playing in CA so far 2-0 (3-0 Mexico, 2-0 Canada) but big game against Japan tomorrow. Several region 1 players seeing the field. Canada with multiple 2001 (U17 cycle is 1999). DC shore are you going to tell us if they play "the game"? I think the games are also being posted on you tube by us soccer

Anonymous said...

Manhattan schedule posted, but my bet is it gets cancelled

Anonymous said...

So I watched the U-17 WNT yesterday and they were impressive in the second half on both sides. I thought they pressured Japan well on the defensive side and relied too much on long balls in the first half. Although I have been critical here on US soccer development, I think it's time for the USWNT to make a Youth commitment. It's not going to happen this year, but based on what i saw yesterday, I think the biggest US downfall will be the other countries commitment to youth.The US WNT has been slow to infuse new talent on the team. Also nice to see 2 local women on the roster.

Anonymous said...

So you want younger players on teh USWNT?

You know young players are added every year, right?

Anonymous said...

Sure the USWNT adds youth every year, but there is no commitment to build a team around youth. If you use Germany as an example, there men's team won a world cup with a team clustered around 25 years of age with one player 30 years old. They won the World Cup with youth and had a commitment to youth for some time. The German Women's team has no player over 30. The US will have Wambach, Lloyd,Chalupny, Krieger,O'Reilly, Rampone and Boxx - Maybe Solo playing a considerable role in the World Cup and all over 30. I don't think you'll see many teams that have been successful in World Cups relying on ageing stars. Yes, I think it is time to make a full commitment to youth, develop youth and let them get their experience in tough international games.

Anonymous said...

@1:54
I agree 100%.
Klinsmann took a lot of crap for making the comment that American is the only country that rewards players for what they have done and not necessarily what will do. I get that is somewhat simplistic but his point is more or less your own.

We just also need to make sure we are developing soccer players and not just winning teams at the youth level.
I did not get to catch the U17match btw.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

You can watch it on the us soccer play list

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pww2i0mxTVI

Rachael Jones '00 tophat is horrific, but in general not bad

Anonymous said...

What do you expect? Top hat is not ecnl. No player from a non ecnl club could possibly be any good. Surprised it took so long to point out her flaws.

Anonymous said...

6:35 Yep, people have no shame in bashing a 15 year old kid. Note that this 15 year old is the same age as our kids. She should be congratulated

2:38 While this girl was playing on the USWNT U-17, what were you and your daughter doing, I guessing watching her play Japan on You Tube.

Anonymous said...

9:33 I agree with you. Well said.

Anonymous said...

Yup took the bait
Jones sub was a PDA kid. Strong work.

Anonymous said...

Bashing the kid your player went in to replace does not really put your player or your club in a very favorable light. It does draw attention to which kid was selected to start in the first place. Congratulations to both players for playing for the US.

Anonymous said...

This is comical. R Jones is a great player and will write her ticket anywhere she wants to go. Did she have a great game vs Japan, no but that's why you have multiple threats on a National team.

And for all of you who preach about the "possession game", and I would count myself as one of them - this team repeatedly beat Japan on the outside with a direct style. They were getting crosses at will with their speed. Don't need to possess if you can crack the whip like that. Ekic, Sanchez and Pickett are some of the best players I have seen at their positions (and age). The girl who scored the 3rd goal was 14. Forget about what were your 15 year olds were doing, what about your 14 year olds...

Anonymous said...

Yes it was a direct style, but I don't know that it will be effective against all teams. They won the game and outclassed Japan because they kept tight defensive pressure every time a Japanese player touched the ball and this created good counter attacking opportunities.

These are young kids getting experience at a high international level which is what these games are meant for so it is ridiculous to criticize one player. For some of these players, it was their first taste of international competition. The team was good, not great. There is talent their to be developed and it is great to see the East Coast represented at all levels of the USWNT.

Anonymous said...

I'd be quite sure that the girl from Tophat would be welcomed at Rutgers over many of the kids playing in NJ.

Anonymous said...

If you watch the game and saw that the tophat kid's sub was FT from PDA you would have gotten he joke. I am pretty sure an Atlanta family doesn't care what's put on YST. They have the last laugh because let me remind you again who the starter was...

Anonymous said...

Oh, the original post was supposed to be funny. Now things are beginning to make more sense. The hatred routinely displayed on this blog is just attempted humor on the part of you and your kind. Thanks but no thanks!

Anonymous said...

Enjoyed watching Pickett play. Would not want to be playing against her.

Anonymous said...

You and your kind have no real interest in the game or you would have watched the video. You are only interested in the "gossip" about which team is better than which at least the video was posted which is more of a contribution than you have made.

Anonymous said...

Sorry but you couldn't be more off target as I watched both the video and the highlights. As for contributions, I am entirely confident that you did not post the video and proud not to be part of the hatred you and your kind spread to counter issues with low self-esteem.

Anonymous said...

In order to make a purposeful contribution to the betterment of the game, one needs to figure out how to let go of the demons from their past.

Anonymous said...

Let me start off by saying that anyone playing at a National Level deserves some respect. I'm not going to pick apart specific players...ESPECIALLY at this age. Good for any kid who put in the work and obviously has passion for the support.

On the quality side and in a bigger view. ESPECIALLY at this age we should be playing a quality possession style, THE GAME. Most people either not realize or forget (maybe even purposely forget) is that most other countries are not consumed with winning at every age level. NOT AT ALL. While mommy and daddy should be happy that their little daughter (or friend of their daughter) is playing at such levels the rest of us SHOULD NOT accept this as development.

HOW'S IT ALL WORKING OUT FOR OUR WNT? You know the level where it really counts? Where fans at the matches are not just player families? Where stars on the jersey's are earned?

The Japan WNT, win/lose/draw has recently made our WNT look very foolish and unskilled. Along with a handful of other nations.

So I can agree, good for this youth team. Their direct style won the battle but it is fools gold that ultimately leads to losing the war.

Let me repeat. VERY HAPPY for any player who makes it to this level. I am SUPER happy that kids have that kind of commitment and passion.

It is on U.S. Soccer, the coaches AND the parents to harvest these players and improve our game/culture on a National level. It starts at every age.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

@ DC You ask “HOW'S IT ALL WORKING OUT FOR OUR WNT?”
Well they are ranked number 2 in the world. http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/women/index.html So imo, they are doing just fine. Of course I would prefer number 1.

As I’m sure you know much more about the game then me, I’m also just as sure the people running the USWNT program know much more than any of us on this forum. As a fan of our team I consider them very successful. Yes they don’t always win everything but they are almost always in the picture of one of the top teams in the world. Not bad considering the only women’s sports I see on standard cable TV is Softball & Basketball. They’ve even been showing Volleyball somewhat more often than in the past.

Anonymous said...

I'm curious how everyone's college search is going (or not going). My daughter is a HS sophomore, so she has been a little more active than the freshman on her club team looking at schools. Anyone taking their girls to ID camps, summer camps or contacting coaches regarding interest in their program / school?

Anonymous said...

DC The direct style in the Japan game seemed to be a tactical decision. It seemed to me that it was a purposeful defensive pressure and move quickly on the attack not to dissimilar to a Mourinho coached team. it worked well in the second half of the Japan game. Even though teams have to be able to play a possession game does not make it the right approach for every game.

As for the USWNT, there are only a handful of teams that play at a high level. The USWNT has been on a slide for the last 4 years, last year's Algarve Cup was an absolute disaster which was followed by the end of a short tenure of the coach. Jill Ellis has not been off to a great start. In my opinion this is caused by as DC said previously, rewarding players for what they can do now. The US is still by an large relying aging stars that have not really altered their playing style as the world has been catching up. The upcoming Algarve Cup and the World Cup we be very telling

Anonymous said...

7:36 FIFA rankings lag actual results. Over the last year look at the performance against France, Japan, Brazil and Canada, even some so-so matches against North Korea and China.

At the Algarve Cup last year they tied Japan and lost to Sweden and Denmark in 3 straight games. To wrap up 2014 they tied China lost and tied to Brazil, and just a few weeks ago they were thoroughly outplayed by France.

What has really changed fro the USWNT?

Anonymous said...

@9:45
A constructive thing happened when my daughter, who is a freshman, started looking at colleges. Initially she was only interested in playing D1. Once she started researching D1 colleges in her desired geographic area, she discovered that the colleges she thought she wanted to play at didn’t offer the proper curriculum in the career choices that she is interested in and also that the Arts programs that she was interested in also weren’t as extensive as she desired.

Now on top of her wish list is still one D1, school followed very closely by a D3 with her third choice being a D2. She has revamped her criteria for what she wants out of a college. I’m very happy she is realizing that Soccer is not the only thing to consider when picking a college.

As for getting hits on the recruiting, as a freshman who is not a top 10- 20 player in our state, she has not received and did not expect to receive any contact from coaches. She views her freshman year as a learning process and said she will consider participating in some ID camps sophomore and junior years.

Anonymous said...

@ 7:36 & DC
I’m just a casual USWNT fan so definitely no expert but I’m pretty sure they won the last Olympics and finished second in pk’s of the last World Cup. I just found out today that the Algarve Cup is a big deal but I see they have won 9 out of the last 15 of those. The most recent was 2013. They seem great to me and I’m anticipating great things from them next year in the World Cup! Of course one of the privileges we get as fans is to criticize and analyze. Enjoy.

Anonymous said...

12:47 What you say is correct, but the last 12 months+ of the USWNT has been well below the expectations. Just a few weeks ago, they were thoroughly dominated by France. In December, they were in Brazil and it was a far from impressive tournament. The Algarve Cup for which you are right, they won 9-15 tournaments was a complete disaster last lear. They fired their Coach and jill Ellis has appeared out of her depth as a coach. My biggest criticism is that the team has not evolved in play or in roster since the 2012 Olympics and similar to the last world cup roster. The roster for this year's World Cup will be by and large the same as the Olympics. The USWNT has essentially been standing still while the rest of the world has been advancing at a pretty rapid pace. The Algarve Cup and the World Cup will either prove or disprove this point.

In the US, we love to have our stars. Other countries are far more brutal at leaving stars off of rosters than US.

Anonymous said...

The soccer pundits agree that the WNT is rapidly losing ground. here's a good review and some loose plans on what Gulati etc wish to do about it:

http://equalizersoccer.com/2015/01/30/uswnt-youth-development-plans-academy-residency-ncaa-nwsl-training/

Note also the suggestion of a residency program and girl's DA

Regarding recruiting... We were surprised that several college coaches, even top 25 (one top 10) schools reached out to our player through her coach after a national level recruiting event. We did not expect such interest in her as she had not reached out to any coaches prior to the event. She did not do this because her coach felt she was improving rapidly and thought it better to defer scrutiny of her for a half a year or so. She is now setting up spring unofficial visits. The college coaches have indicated dates where they plan to take recruits to basketball games or to see spring season soccer games. She is to spend the night. Not exactly sure what happens from there.

The recruitment spreadsheet show 2018 recruits sprinkling in and we are told 2017 is in full swing to be wrapped up at least by fall's end. This is for, non IVY, top 100 or so schools.

Anonymous said...

@9:50 AM
"Even though teams have to be able to play a possession game does not make it the right approach for every game."

---> agree game situation may effect the way you play...but I don't see our current WNT as able to play THE GAME. Yes, some players can (based on previous training and experience) but as a group impossible imho. Especially with certain players involved. Abby Wambach 'in' means THE GAME goes bye bye.
I think we both agree that our current team has been passed by. I'm not happy saying it. Quite the contrary.

@12:47
I love and support the USWNT but I am not going to call them great. Not at this point. I liken it to boxing. Versus TOP competition, which admittedly is still just a handful of teams at the moment, the US always has a punchers chance to win. But the problem with these types of fighters is that they either win or look ridiculous and outclassed. I am afraid we are looking quite ridiculous too many times recently. OK, my opinion but I am sticking by it.

Depending on what you believe at least one respected coach lost his job basically for trying to buck the system and let a few aging starts go out gracefully. Only they did not want to go and U.S. Soccers priorities differed. The coach was dismissed and the players remained. How's That Working Out?

DCShore

Anonymous said...

DC If you believe the stories, it was kind of like Youth Soccer and parents complaining when their little Mia loses playing time. The Coach was exploring different lineups and rotating rosters and the Superstars complained and got the coach fired.

Sermanni's Record 18W-4D-2L.

How many times have you seen little Mia's parents complain and the coach gives in and it hurts the team. That's the USWNT situation, there are better and dare I say more technical players ready to play, but they will se very little time.

Anonymous said...

At the invitation of the college coach, top 25 D1, directed to her from her club coach, going to her first "unofficial" visit. This looks pretty official only we pay the flight etc. She sleeps over with a player? A little worrisome for a 14 year old. She goes to a spring game (could have picked a date when she could have gone to a men's basketball game) tours the campus, locker room, and talks with coaches. It is pretty scheduled and they plan for multiple recruits on several specific assigned days. This is our first kid so I didn't know any of this. Club has not laid out any advice on going to these visit. How do you find out what to ask, expected responses etc. I cant imagine that they will make an offer to a 9th grader. I don't know what's up after the visit either.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't this whole college decision depend on what drives the school choice? If the focus is on where you can play soccer first than getting exposure to a broad set of ID camps and showcases would make sense. If the school choice based on curriculum, (ie what is the best pre-Med school for me) is driving the decision then I would think you would want to narrow you school choices down to a few schools and be very focused on the coaches at that smaller group of schools.

Anonymous said...

You can't (and probably should) consider both?
Most schools offer a wide variety of options. What your 14 year old thinks she wants to be now and what she ultimately turns out to be runs in parellel for the minority of students.

Anonymous said...

my child's team has not done any tournaments, no scrimmages so far, no winter league and no indoor tournaments, no futsal and zero and we are paying as much as much as the high level academies a year Is this normal. We just train and will do a few local tournaments in the Spring?

Anonymous said...

Normal for what? If your child aspires to play D1 college soccer, then what you describe is not consistent with a schedule that will support her achieving these goals. The non ECNL teams that include players with such aspirations have already done at least one fall tournament: Bethesda or CASL and some have also done Disney and/or WAGS. Most are scheduled now for at least Jefferson cup, Champions league or at least EDP, State cup, and PDA. The ECNL clubs went to Sanford and are going to PDA along with their league play this spring. If qualifying they go to Seattle for playoffs.
If your child's schedule has no overlap as above, then she is disadvantaged in the recruitment game.

Anonymous said...

8:06 My view is that if you are paying $1800-$2500/year for soccer then your child should be getting a 10-month training schedule. Otherwise there is little value for money and you're not getting the the development that you are paying for. This ssems to me to be someone taking advantage of people willing to pay.

Anonymous said...

What's the name of the club?

Anonymous said...

Is it Njcsa ?

Anonymous said...

@3:47 Read the article, thanks for posting it. Obviously *Pundits know significantly more than me about the game but I still believe that the people who are actually running, training and developing the USWNT at all levels know more about who the right players should be and have the courage to make the difficult decisions. It is the job of the pundits to analyze and criticize.

Interesting quote in the article from U.S. women’s technical director “Heinrichs says that on average, it takes 5-8 years for a U-20 U.S. player to make the senior team.”
So I’m going to keep saying how great the number 2 team in the world is and I promise not to come on here next year and say I told you so when they make it to the finals.

*It appears the author of this article is a 25 year old ex D3 player that came off the bench in many games. Nothing wrong with D3, might be where my kid ends up playing, but he’s probably never played on a field with anyone with National Team potential. April Heinrichs was playing, training, coaching and developing high level soccer players before this pundit was born.

Anonymous said...

9:11 Yes it would be nice if we trusted the people that know the game, but there is not much evidence that this team is moving in the right direction. They brought in Tom Sermanni to coach, he was adjusting the lineups, playing different players and shaking things up to prepare the team for for the World Cup. His record as coach of the USWNT 18-2-4D. What did he get for it, he was fired because the star players have more say than the coach. Jill Ellis is not going to challenge those star players and it has been the same USWNT with out much advancement in the play. Forget about rankings because it rewards what you have done not what you are doing and this US team has been quite poor against high level competition even thought hey can still beat Argentina 7-0.

As for it taking U-20 players 5-8 years to crack the USWNT, well the Number 1 team in the world for mens and womens, has teams whose rosters are by and large clustered around 25 years of age with a high proportion of players in the lower 20s.

As for rankings, Spain went into the Men's world cup as a favorite in the world playing their tiki-tak soccer and the world caught up and evolved to the team that had been so dominant and they were pitiful in soccer.

The signs have been very clear recently. I am very pessimistic about the direction of the USWNT, but we will start to see if there is any improvement over the last few months starting tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

Is the USWNT old, outdated, or just supremely experienced? I read an article recently, I will post if I can find it and it was a comparison of the relative experience of the different teams. The USWNT averages a team with about 100 caps - there are 11 players with more than 100 caps, and 5 that are closing in on 200 caps. The German and Brazilian team averages about 40 caps, the French about 60. I checked the German Mens national team, and they average 23 caps. I think it is relevant because the idea of winning a last second game off the head of Wambach or direct play from the midfield to Morgan is not a recipe for success. It's an old team and if they cannot technically keep up, they can't win.

Flav

Anonymous said...

@911
Did you watch the French Friendly? If so, understanding that Rapinoe was injured and is one of the US best players, how do you think they stacked up against a French team even down Necib after her early injury?
How do you think they looked against the English B team?

Anonymous said...

I did not watch the France game. I’ll check youtube and see if there is a way I could watch it this weekend. Time is difficult to come by. I didn’t even get to read the article that was posted till over this past weekend and I also watched the u17 game that someone posted a link to. Thanks to the posters for the links.

I’m admittedly a casual fan and don’t follow the USWNT as extensively as most on this board do. I am enjoying the conversation and the education I’m getting. I am hearing everyone’s argument but my gut tells me the people running things are more concerned with development then wins and losses in non-Olympic, non-World Cup games. Someone mentioned the previous coaches won lost record. I’m thinking the top people aren’t as impressed with won lost records but more concerned about a long term development program.

Development > W-L? , except World Cup and Olympics.

Somebody posted earlier that USWNT has an important game tomorrow. I’ll check their website and hopefully be able to watch the match.

Anonymous said...

1:08 I believe the Algarve Cup is going to be on Fox Sports 1.

The point about Sermanni's record was they he accomplished it while trying to improve the team tactically and technically. He was experimenting with different player combinations, he wanted more youth, and the players revolted. US Soccer gave in to the players and fired him.

US Soccer has made the decision that the time for change is after the World Cup, Tom Sermanni felt the time for change was before the World Cup.

Jill Ellis has looked well over her head in in game decisions and not only has the team not won against top teams they have looked bad doing it.

Anonymous said...

First few games in the group stage of the Algarve Cup, Norway, Iceland and Switzerland shouldn't pose too much of a problem.

Anonymous said...

That's what everyone thought about Denmark...

Anonymous said...

PDA 2015 recruitment list is out impressive!

Anonymous said...

Do you have a link to the list? I'm a bit skeptical. Last year they published where all of their players were going to college not where they were recruited to play.

Anonymous said...

Can a player be carded to two teams. One is just a tournament team and one is a team who plays Edp and nj cup? Player is already card to us club and njysc.

Anonymous said...

Algarve Cup – USWNT looked ok to me, showed some character coming back from being down 0-1. On the other hand Germany surrendered a 2 goal lead while allowing 4 goals against. I liked the #23 player. I believe her name was Press. Is she fairly new to the team, I don’t recall her from the Olympic squad?

Anonymous said...

USWNT looked OK. I have 2 concerns, Norway should be a team the US dominates and second Wambach should no longer be on the field. She can keep up and it changes the whole style of the US team. I hope Elis recognizes this. Hopefully, she is looking at this as an opportunity to fine tune the roster for the World Cup. Lloyd seems to be a bit ageless however.

Anonymous said...

I saw the PDA list. I am happy for any girls that can go to and play in college. That said, a number of those schools are far from out of reach and have rosters full of many Club/Town players. I am always curious as to who got money and who did not. Is that published or should we assume they all did? Perhaps that would be the "impressive" part.

I did not catch the WNT game vs Norway but saw the recap. Unfair for me to comment on the play.

@1:42 PM
---> Yep, pretty much agree with your view on things.

For the post above referencing Spain. See USWNT. Same thing. Aging stars. No serious challenge for unseating the old guard. And yes, the game as evolved and top coaches/teams have figured out how to beat 'straight-up' Tiki Tak' play.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

It's nice that PDA and other clubs put out lists of where their players are attending, but almost all of them got nothing in Athletic dollars. They may have received Academic dollars though. Had the players received Athletic Scholarships, PDA would have announced it. Don't drink the Kool-aid from PDA or any other club. Congratulations to the players for being accepted to these schools and if they get to play soccer while earning a degree, even better.

Anonymous said...

Just like the PDA shore girls who were never PDA until this fall and won their titles As a TRFC team and were born and bred TRFC United. Now all of a sudden PDA got them into college. Just More Bunk.

Anonymous said...

does someone have a link tot he list?

Anonymous said...

Don't be fooled by this list. It only lists the colleges these girls are going to attend, many aren't even playing soccer in college. They listed my older daughter and she is not playing next year. Earlier posted is correct, if any of these players got a full ride, it would be plastered all over our website.

Anonymous said...

Great point 3:53

PDA would have plastered the names and praised the college.

Here is a link to the list - http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?ca=5d31b971-e6b7-49a0-975e-b22d7c73dee8&c=b64cec30-eb37-11e3-acb7-d4ae527b8c41&ch=b6a3e5d0-eb37-11e3-acd9-d4ae527b8c41

Anonymous said...

There's no doubt that is where the kids are going to college rather than recruited players. But the recruiting list seems to make a clear point that the ECNL matters and those kids get into top notch schools.

For the other PDAers I'm not sure that PDA offers any benefit to kids that can't be gotten from any other top 15 club in the state.

Anonymous said...

@8:54
Let's face it. The Business Development Academies prey on the uneducated consumer. And their emotions. The past couple of years I have been 'around' many a BDA practice and many a BDA parent. I'm even acquaintances of a couple of coaches.
The average BDA parent, though certainly not all, is a little higher on the Socio-economic scale. Trying to 'cover' all their bases and make little Johnny or Cindy's dream (hopefully their's and not just the parents) come true playing soccer for a big school, at the Olympics and in a Word Cup.

The average BDA parent still does not watch or know soccer beyond what is in front of them (their child's team and the matches they play) and/or the occassional professional league match fundraiser they attend. Same applies to the average Club/Town team parent too I am afraid. Only at bargain prices.

The average BDA coach knows that what they are offering is vaporware. Otherwise there would be a money back guarantee...but of course all coaches can fall back on the "she didn't really want it" reason. I don't blame someone for taking a check in a profession they love. I just can't turn a blind eye to it either.

So the truth is, the average BDA player gets good/very good training. They get to feel the 'hype', they get to travel around a bit more (or more likely an expanded geography). Hopefully they also get some rock solid memories...though they are just as if not more susceptible to the agony of politics and disappointment as a town/club player.

My guess is the average BDA player resembles their town/club counterpart. They probably are good to above average students. They probably are solid citizens in the classroom and out of it. They probably are experience junkies though I understand that really depends on the level BDA team you are on. Some may fall hard to the empty promises, others I am sure will excel beyond even their expectations but for sure most will wind up playing side by side with their town/club counterparts in college and beyond (assuming they continue to play). There are always a small percentage of Academy/Club/Town players who just burn out and the minute they are free from their parents direction they ditch the game.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

I have never heard the expression BDA before. Who exactly does it refer to, thanks.

Anonymous said...

Just looking for advice. Our team has only played one game and one scrimmage, no tournaments and/or indoor leagues. we have paid 2,500 for the year and are schedule to play three low level tournaments. Should we leave now or just ride it until the end of the Spring and start going to other tryouts. Our team in not a priority and we don't even deserve scrimmages. We were promised higher level tournaments when we joined.

Anonymous said...

@1:02
If you are unhappy you should leave. The moment you sign the check you endorse the process. No sense in complaining.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

I say ride it out
You already paid and it will probably hard to get picked up by another team till tryouts

Anonymous said...

Hopefully you at least researched the coach before you signed up. Why pay that much and not have a great coach that will develop your daughter. If he / she is a great coach stick it out.

Anonymous said...

How is the team going to develop as a whole if they only train and maybe scrimmage against each other. Why pay that amount when you can get much more in another team. Stay for Spring and start looking at other opportunities. What area are you in?

Anonymous said...

on the PDA College acceptance list, I find it interesting that only the girls from ECNL were accepted to some Ivy's but not the other groups

Anonymous said...

Congrats to the USWNT on winning the Algarve Cup. I’m only a casual USWNT observer but they made winning one of the most prestigious tournaments of the year look pretty routine. Looks to me they like they need to tighten up some stuff but are in as good a place as anyone heading into the World Cup.

Anonymous said...

Woo hoo
Soccer begins this weekend
Good Luck to all the girls,
Hopefully we can get some mud slinging started
It's been a boring winter on the blog
Looking forward to some pda and match fit bashing !

Anonymous said...

PDA and Match Fit PARENTS make it so easy....

Anonymous said...

@10:44
Yes, Congrats to the UWNT. I did not catch the match so I have no commentary but what I have read i fairly positive. I am very happy for the players and US Soccer.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

I feel pda parents are among the best human beings in the world !

Anonymous said...

You mean the finest ?

Anonymous said...

You meant finest ?

Anonymous said...

9;54
What is the connection between GFA, Valkyries and TSF? I thought TSF was out of Lincoln Park in North Jersey.

Anonymous said...

I think people fail to realize that when you play for the greatest club ever created, you have every right to have a superiority complex.

Anonymous said...

TSF, valkaries and GFI formed some teams out of Metuchen. Right now they have a u15G team made out of ex TSF, Matchfit, and FC Copa players, NJSA 04, (u14 players

Anonymous said...

Another Frankenteam of D1 prospects? I kid, I kid.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Everyone knows all the PDA girls will snatch up all the D1 scholarships, at least that is what our coach says!

Anonymous said...

You need to spearate the PDAs, looking at the recruitment list of the north, I'd say that they pretty much meet their promise. The rest not so much. You can play for any NPL team and get the same results. Coaches see through that the remainder of the PDA teams play low caliber competition, crumble when they are challenged, and normally get placed in a protective bubble at PDA tournaments or like the NPL showcase so they can't fail.

Anonymous said...

It's also kind of funny that PDA put 3 teams in the NJ Cup. It's kind of like the lottery, the more more you enter the better chance you have to win.

Anonymous said...

PDA BREAKERS lost NJSA Bulldogs 5-1
Embarassing

Anonymous said...

You got it wrong EDP has score reversed on schedule

Anonymous said...

SDFC tied PDA Shore 1-1, SDFC had lead until last 10 minutes of game.

Anonymous said...

You guys get to caught up in what the score was, who led most of game.. who really cares, the question for any of these games should be who possessed the ball more, who had better chances. That's what matters. I'm so surprised that Adults on this blog still concern themselves with irrelevant aspects of the game, this isn't U11 or U12.. grow up, it really shows the ignorance of some.. Good luck to all teams heading to Jeff Cup this weekend, hopefully all will represent Jersey well!

Anonymous said...

@ 11:44 I agree to a point, you still have to remember the girls playing the game care about the results. People are allowed to say what they like without being told they are ignorant. No need for being negative. Good luck to all the teams in Jeff Cup. Have nice day!

Anonymous said...

You are correct! But... I'm willing to bet none of those girls are talking about the game played yesterday or on the blog boasting about who led most of the game, to be honest.. it sounded like a parent who thought their team didn't have a chance and was surprised of the outcome. That should never be the case if you play for a quality team, which both mentioned are... not being negative, just wish the blog for this age group could be a little better. Talk about how some of these games are played and less about who was leading or beat who.. let the kids worry and boast about that.

Anonymous said...

@2:25
Completely agree.
I'd rather here about how each team played the game. 1-1, 5-1, 1-0...does not mean much to me.

My daughter's team has played their best soccer in many of their losses and looked like complete garbage in victories.

I usually chalk it up to self-absorbed parents.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

PDA May have submitted three teams for NJ cup but don't kid yourselves, Pride and Breakers will be sufficiently padded with Gunners, just like they did last year. Hopefully they won't suffer the same fate as last year...

Anonymous said...

Keep your eye on the prize. The goal is an NJ Cup. How it is accomplished doesn't matter. It will just be one more misleading link to recruit the future generations.

Anonymous said...

Good Morning everybody,

Anybody have predictions on Jeff cup this weekend? Looks like weather will be bad on Friday ok on Sat and Sun>

Anonymous said...

Yes
PDA doesn't place first or second in any division they are in !

Anonymous said...

Doesn't seem like anyone is biting on your PDA rant.. what a miserable life you must live if you allow an organization or better yet a group of teams filled with 14 and 15 year old kids consume so much of your thought process concerning youth soccer. Are you that scarred to feel that way about youth teams with innocent kids who love playing the game and having. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree my friend, there is enough evil in this world.. look in the mirror! What if your child was on the receiving end of your rants? Good luck to all Jersey teams @ Jeff Cup this weekend, represent well..

Anonymous said...

Good luck to all the Jersey Girls!

Anonymous said...

Wow
The truth really stung you
Just stating facts
But you had to make it personal
This wasn't aimed at hurting the girls feeling
Your response should have been
Will see after cup

Anonymous said...

Didn't sting me at all, I just believe in being a good person and was hoping I could get you out of the way of that thing call KARMA! It doesn't matter where any of the Jersey teams finish as long as they play to their full potential. It is a Championship format at a College Showcase.. again just shows your ignorance to the game..

Anonymous said...

2:49/4:21's behavior is consistent with that of an individual struggling with confidence issue. Repeated attempts to demean others are intended to boost self-esteem. Common among young adults, it can be observed during play dates, on the playground, within blogs and even on the pitch. Some individuals may be predisposed to it while it may be a learned behavior for others. The scary part is that he/she likely has children learning from his/her behaviors.

Anonymous said...

@421 - You suggest that you are "just stating facts". What facts? At best, your post is a wishful thought. In the future, please spare us all from "your" facts.

Anonymous said...

I'm not 2:49/4:21 but I do know from experience that people put up with a lot crap and let their children's self-esteem get brutalized by coaches just to say their kid plays at special well known club, and this is often driven by the parents not the kids because the parents have a dream. Those coaches do nothing help build those kid's self esteem back up. No that job is left for the parents. There is no doubt in my mind that there are many parents of kids on clubs carrying 20-28 kids that have to work to repair self-esteem every weekend so they can live the dream and wear the jersey.

Anonymous said...

That's right !

Anonymous said...

I'm not 249/421 either

Anonymous said...

I'm not 2:49/4:21 either and find it amusing that we feel compelled to disassociate ourselves from such cowardly posts.

Anonymous said...

Ok, so when PDA wins all their brackets (Pride in the 5th??), all the PDA haters will be chastised and we will realize you ARE the best club in NJ.

Anonymous said...

@249, yes they do, they place well at the PDA spring tournament and the PDA NPL showcases!

Anonymous said...

7:52 As far as I know there is only one person on this blog that signs his name to his posts. What is more cowardly and amusing is people that call others cowardly while being cowardly themselves. Perhaps you are willing to associate yourself to your posts.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 651 in that there are coaches out there that can damage a player's self-esteem as I personally removed my child from such a situation. Such coaches are not necessarily associated with well know clubs or teams with large rosters. I have found these coaches are more apt to be working among the mid-level clubs/teams chasing unrealistic goals. The well know clubs can be more selective and have the ability to remove the bad apples and the local town clubs tend to engage well intended volunteers.

Anonymous said...

I'm assuming the cowardly act being referred to is wishing failure on kids and the teams they play on, you can say your not directing the negative comments toward the kids but.. they are the ones competing and playing the game, who else could you possibly be referring to? Wish all Jersey teams well and keep it moving, why have such negative feeling toward one group of kids.. as far as coaches tearing down kids confidence on teams with 22-26 players, why blame the coach? I can't figure out why a parent would agree to have their child on a team with a large roster like that, unless your child is in the top 14 it makes no sense. That is strictly the parent being delusionalin thinking their child will Crack the top roster. I'm sure every child wants to be on the field rather than sit, there is a team for everyone at every level. Parents get caught up with who their child plays for and feels the need to push their child to a situation that may not be best for that kid. Parents make poor decisions that eventually hurt the kid.. remember, kids want to play not brag about who they play for. If parents would stop living their dreams through their kids, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There is a level and team for every kid involved in youth soccer, it's up to the parents to find the right one for their child

Anonymous said...

I am not 2:49/4:21 and can only imagine why they don't associate themselves with their posts.

Anonymous said...

I had some catching up to do this morning. Looks like the bully (2:49/4:21) has woken from their winter nap. Most would agree that this blog would be better served if they simple went back to sleep.

Anonymous said...

8:00 AM Why is someone expressing a belief or a hope the PDA does not succeed at the Jeff Cup bullying? I'm sure almost everyone on this blog favors one team or another for one reason or another. I'm not the guy who wrote the Jeff Cup PDA comment, but I get it. Some people dislike PDA because they are successful, some people do not like PDA because they believe their model is bad for soccer, and some people don't like PDA because they feel that have left a trail of kids with empty promises and treated them very poorly. Yes, I don't like the PDA model and how they have treated players, it is nothing against the kids, but I'd prefer to see other clubs being more successful.

Anonymous said...

Exactly
I am against the bda model
You don't develop you recruit or in the case of the breakers you out right by a top ten team
But all you pda robots try to say We are insulting the girls
Absolutely not !
I'm with you
229/421

Anonymous said...

Bullying can take on many different forms. For example social bullying generally involves the manipulation of others through gossip and being mean. In my view, 249's post is essentially that. Although irrelevant, their reasoning could range from counteracting low self-esteem, having been bullied themselves, submitting to peer pressure, repeating observed behavior, defensive response, jealousy, etc.

If the intention is to initiate some sort of change, there are a countless number of alternative approaches such as identifying clubs with good models, wishing other teams success, promoting clubs who deliver on their promises, highlighting coaches who display desirable qualities, etc. Although it may be an overused cliche, "you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar".

Over time, some on this blog have diminished its value through the use of bullying. Regardless of their reasoning, bullying should not be tolerated. It is not funny or entertaining ... it's just mean.

As suggested earlier, we'd all be better off if the bullies were to craw back into the holes they came from.

Anonymous said...

I think your wrong, and I've seen far worse bullying py players and coaches at PDA and at other clubs and I think this is a good place to voice their views. It's going to get worse before it gets better because tryouts are always a time when a clubs true colors show through. Many newly disgruntled people will voice their views. I'm happy we are not dealing with the BS and are in a better place.

Anonymous said...

Not sure why you think I'm wrong; but, I generally agree with you. My point, which I hope you can agree with, is that posts wishing failure on kids and the teams they play on have no value aside from serving the selfish needs of their author.

Anonymous said...

How did a question about Jefferson Cup become all about PDA? Is this a Region 1 blog or a PDA (pro or con) blog?

Anonymous said...

my daughter has played for both PDA and Match Fit. It's neither good nor bad, it only depends on what your expectation is.

I think the crybabies on this forum had never experienced how it is to be belong to a top notch academy, therefore the ignorance, jealousy and hatred.

grow up, soccer is just a small part of you and your daughter's experience

Anonymous said...

My daughter was at PDA and I witnessed a lot of bullying taking place. It seemed that everyone was trying to get ahead and get noticed. I can understand kids bullying each other but it seemed like the coach was encouraging it. They're supposed to be professionals Coaches should always
encourage his players and provide a positive environment.

Anonymous said...

My daughter was bullied at a town club where the volunteers did nothing and the professionals at the academy are no better.

Anonymous said...

The parents sign a code of conduct form but the coaches can do whatever they want and there is no accountability for their actions.
Finding the right environment for your child can be difficult.

Anonymous said...

Come on all together just once!

I’d like to build the world a home
And furnish it with love
Grow apple trees and honey bees
And snow white turtle doves
I’d like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
I’d like to hold it in my arms
And keep it company

I’d like to see the world for once
All standing hand in hand
And hear them echo through the hills
For peace throughout the land
That’s the song I hear
Let the world sing today
A song of peace that echoes on
And never goes away

I’d like to teach the world to sing
In perfect harmony
I’d like to hold it in my arms
And keep it company
I’d like to see the world for once
All standing hand in hand
And hear them echo through the hills
For peace throughout the land
That’s the song I hear
Let the world sing today
A song of peace that echoes on
And never goes away
A song of peace that echoes on
And n-e-v-e-r g-o-e-s a-w-a-y

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure of the genesis of this blog but if I had to guess in the beginning i was mostly the parents of daughters on more successful/higher ranked teams bickering over who is "really #1".

A whole lot of unfulfilled desires, empty promises, self-absorption and self-praise later the battle continues.

I have no problem speaking directly about any situation but it has always been my policy to keep it on topic. In my opinion most of youth soccer is a mess. That ranges from the sloppily cobbled together town teams up tot he predatory, anti-development business development academies.

As I do not have a horse in this "my daughter/daughter's team is #1 race" i just like countering the dummy views with some kind of real vision for the sport and what youth soccer might be. There are far more credentialed people involved in the sport trying to do the same thing (so their is consistency and vision at every level...not to be confused with every kid/team will be a great kid/team...but at least know THE GAME) but at present moment there is too much money and too many self-absorbed parents, and financially motivated coaches and club officials. Or in many, many cases folks who simply do not know any better and there is no consistent and readily reliable mechanism to help.

This is almost never about the kids themselves. And despite all of the problems I see I am just as happy to see a kid from a BDA realize some of their aspirations as I am the local town team. I just try and keep perspective.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Look's like 2:49's prediction are coming true even if he is a bully.

Anonymous said...

Most NJ teams not doing well at Jefferson Cup. Cannot compete with other top teams!!
LOL

Anonymous said...

Another dumb comment from a person whose daughter obviously got cut from a good jersey team. Keep going to your small town tourney and tell your kid to enjoy community college.

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