Sunday, May 29, 2016

U16G - U16 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 16 girls youth soccer in Region 1.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

I’m guessing 8:51’s questions are just to start a decent topic thread so I’ll bite.
There should be very few reasons a coach at this point in our kids development should be putting club team over an ID camp imo. I would hope the coach is discussing the pros & cons of each particular camp. I might understand if the coach had an issue with a particular camp because it is more of a $$$ grab as opposed to actually getting seen by recruiting coaches.

As far as repercussions, who cares? Youth soccer is just about over. Two more HS seasons in fall where the club coach has no input & maybe 2 or 3 more spring seasons including this one. I’m guessing many girls will skip or limit their spring club in their senior year.

In regards to downgrading school choice, imo, target schools on multiple levels & see what offers you get. Always allow the kids to dream big but keep a plan “B” in place.

Anonymous said...

Hi Everyone,

There is so much information regarding playing for a Univerity team, but I have been looking all over for information on the School Intramural teams. Does anyone know where I can find more information on these teams?

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

You mean the college "Club Teams". Yeah, It is hard to find information, I have been trying to find out information as well. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Anonymous said...

Posted on the u15s but may be applicable:

So we went to the Penn Fusion age group training today. About 50 kids. Most look to be Penn Fusion players with their practice shirts and gear on. About 15 kids appear to be from outside the club. They put them on a feild together and mix in a few Penn Fusion kids and play like 7v7. Tthere are about 6 coaches watching attentively and it looks legit. 4 are attentive to this group. One is with all Penn Fusion kids and another seems to be with kids who all stayed together on one field. They had black uniforms and i think I think maybe the west chester club travel kids.
Then the all Penn Fusion group comes over and they make teams of new kids versus Penn Fusion kids. The new kids look to hold their own and a few actually stand out. I am thinking wow the Penn Fusion parents are probablt pretty worried about their little Mias spot right now.

I was shocked when walking to the car my kid says, "Well the guy in charge says that there aren't any opennings on the ECNL team. That if you are not already Penn Fusion only NPL is open". WTF??? Why hold this event and have us travel over there, coaches spending their time and really watching too if it's a farce? DId anyone else's kid say this to them or did my kid lose something in translation? Should we even bother to call the club and ask what's up?

Anonymous said...

Don't bet on it. If they saw someone that they really liked and that was an upgrade to a current player they would take them in a minute. Maybe today, they did not see anyone that they felt was a true upgrade to a current player, but they are always looking for talent and will grab it when they see it.

Anonymous said...

Any good coach/club will allow a player all the flexibility in the world for an ID camp.
It should always be what is best for the player.

Word of advice. Always do what you feel is right with your player and as a player.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

8:05

I don't think the process is to call the club after an ID event. It's just a prelim to the tryout, right?

Anonymous said...

I'm curious....how many players in this age group have received full rides to college for soccer? This isn't meant to bash anyone or ridicule, I am really wondering how common it is?

Please no BS or lies, but serious info.

Thanks

Anonymous said...

definition of full rise? 100% athletic including Tuition, books, fees, living expenses and food?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, yes by full ride, I mean 100% athletic scholarship covering full tuition, room and board, books, etc. I know that it is also common to get a percentage covered of the full costs and then maybe some academic money on top of that. So I am curious for those that have committed, what exactly have they gotten. Since this is an anonymous forum, I figured people could feel comfortable sharing this info, no schools or other info needed.

Anonymous said...

From what I've pieced together through talking with others, only a very select few will know at this point in time the actual amount of assistance. It's difficult to budget out a large portion of your scholarship money to kids that might not even be able to get accepted to the school, or get hurt, change their mind, etc.

At this early stage, the majority of the kids will be offered spots on the roster, and the money will be decided at a later date, once they know what their full recruiting class looks like. While they are limited in athletic dollars, once a recruit has actually taken the SAT/ACT and applied to the school, there may be academic money available to them, which lowers the need to allocate athletic dollars to that recruit.

At some schools the amount of athletic scholarship money for a particular recruit may change over time. Someone that gets 15% as a freshman that doesn't play much may get 30% when they are a starting junior.

The other think to remember is that the 14 equivalency scholarships is the maximum limit set by the NCAA. There are many smaller D1 schools that don't have the funding to reach that limit.

Anonymous said...

2018 class full soccer rides in this area ...I will hazard a guess that it is 5 or less

Anonymous said...

1247 that's not how it goes. You don't commit as a 10th grader without knowing the athletic scholarship amount. My kid has received a 90% offer guaranteed 4 years and it was declined. Not for the amount, but I won't go into why she declined it. We know at least one kid who has a "full ride" by everyone's definition. I also know national players who accepted less than a "full ride" to big time schools. Except your closest friends, most won't discuss a personal situation like scholarship amounts. I also found out that you might be lied to by proud parents. One person told me his child had a "full ride" to a school and then when we visited the school, we were told no "full rides" offered. My niave and assertive kid pipes in, "well what about ---?" To which the slightly startled coach said, "like I said no full rides".

Anonymous said...

3:19 I am guessing then that your player is committed?

I know of players who say they have close to a full ride, but that doesn't mean the money is all coming from the athletic side. I think that some families might want others to assume it did, but for instance, this one player is getting athletic money and was told from their pre-read to expect close to a full ride with academic money making up the difference.

I am curious as to the level of program vs these full rides. I am under the impression that ivy doesn't give athletic money?

I was also told that GK are definitely recruited heavier and can expect more of the pie, so to speak, than field players. Wonder if there is truth to that?

Anonymous said...

If your out of pocket payment to your school of choice is $0, I would consider it a full ride no matter where the money comes from. Academic money helps schools spread out more athletic money to more players. Coaches want the most bang for their buck. It would be crazy for them not to combine athletic and academic if they can.

Anonymous said...

Right

In other words - you could be getting 25 academic, allowing for the coach to use just a 3/4 on you, where if you werent good enough academically for the 25 the coach would have given you the FULL athletic.

Dont get caught up in the bragging - heck, wouldnt you actually prefer if half was for smarts?

Anonymous said...

This anonymous forum allows for more potential truth. We do not flaunt our child's success and no other players parents know what her deal is. I am guessing that's the norm. Our experience with a fairly accomplished player is that the lower level top conference teams were offering her more. Of course we were not surprised. Our other less accomplished player, similarly, but at a playing level below, was getting a higher percentage of athletic money from schools that were in lesser conferences. Not surprising: Lower level team, that sees her as an immediate impact player will see your kid as more valuable and pay more. Its pretty logical actually. Even most, but not all, of the national players are not getting full rides with athletic money. General premise, if your kid is expected to be a freshmen starter on any fully funded program, she will get a lot of money.

Anonymous said...

I don't care as much about the bragging.

It's just misleading to others when trying to understand the whole recruiting/scholarship process. Whether a player would or would not have gotten 100% athletic could very well be supposition on the parents part.

My question was really how much athletic money players get on average from schools. In other words, if your player was told they could get anywhere from 50-75% during talks, possibly up to 90% depending...trying to gauge if that's a typical offer, a good offer or actually low?

Obviously it's like any "market" your worth is what people are willing to "pay" but when you are first starting out in this whole process and all you hear about are "full rides" it's hard to understand what is real and what has become just a major brag fest.

Anonymous said...

10:23 thank you! I pretty much have figured that about the levels of teams.

Out of curiosity what would people say are the top conferences??

Anonymous said...

Just look at the final season RPI ranking from last season: RPI Rankings.

Looks like the ACC, Big Ten, and PAC-12 make up 11 of the top 15 teams.

Anonymous said...

How many teams at the 1999 birth year are staying together and playing in the older group? I know our team wants all players to try-out birth year appropriate to see what the teams would look like, but i believe to keep the majority of the players and families happy they will allow them to play their last 2 years within the club staying together.

With the new Birth Year appropriate teams, Is Got Soccer and other ranking sited looking at these teams as new teams or allowing the newly formed team to keep the point that already exist. I know the got Soccer point system is not the most accurate system but it is what we have and some tournaments still rely on there points.

Confused and concerned 1999 parent.

Good luck to all the girls during this transition and during your recruitment process.

Anonymous said...

ACC ...........................then the rest. It's not even close. the College Cup finalist, Duke, I think was 500 in the ACC. Pac-12 has some impressive classes coming in, but so does the ACC.

Anonymous said...

I never understand the desire to stay together, unless it makes compelling soccer sense. Friendships are made in Clubs soccer, but it is too expensive to do for that reason alone.

As far as rankings etc. Should not matter either way. Coaches will come see you play if you write to them.

Anonymous said...

11:14 - GotSoccer will automatically age teams up on August 1st based on the oldest player listed on the roster. If a team splits up, then the points go to where the majority of the players go. Points stay with the team ID as long as they maintain > 50% of their roster.

Based on what I've seen out of USYS in terms of National League, and the teams in our area (the non-ECNL teams), the 'top' teams will all be moving up to play U-18 next year. If you look at the USYS release regarding National League expansion, the current U16 teams that get automatic entry are all slotting into the U18 bracket, unless the teams decide to split up.

I think what you will find at the top level is that the current crop of teams will all jump to U18 and everyone will be playing against the same competition.

I don't know what the ECNL teams are planning on doing.

Anonymous said...

Yes the ACC was very powerful last year. But of course 2 of the 4 teams in the college cup were Big 10. The PAC 12 have won championships as have the SEC. I can't remember if the big 12 has won any though West Virginia are a cut above the rest they are knocking at the door. RPI can be very volatile from year to year. For example I think Duke was in the 80s for the 2014 season. What all of these conferences have in common is a big budget from football. In fact the ACC budgets are often smaller than some of the other schools'. Take a look at Virginia's uniforms for example. As cheap as they come. With all of that football money the facilities at those schools are usually a real cut above the other conferences' programs and these conferences usually have a full staff of the NCAA allowed Head, associate, assistant, and volunteer coaches along with a dedicated academic advisor for the team who travels with them, a strength coach might be shared with womens basketball, and a director of operations. They often fly in chartered planes and have large contracts with major suppliers for all kinds of swag. One thing we have noted: If the school is known for its basketball success, the "Olympic sports" (read non football) facilities such as the weight room will be top notch.
The next tier in our area is probably AAC, Big East, maybe Atlantic 10. I might have forgotten one or more sorry if I insulted anyone unintentional. These may not all be fully funded. Their facilities are generally a cut below. Travel less and more often by bus. More shared resources. Some with only 2 coaches. Some with no director of operations. Again these are quick comments.

Regarding amounts. 50% at top 5 ACC is a great offer to only the very top players. The no compromise athletics/academics can distribute the money more readily and still get top players: Virginia, Duke, UNC. national players get 100% at pretty much the rest of the ACC. Florida State's academics aren't that great and they spend a lot on foreign players.
The next 4 conferences will offer starter level players usually around 70+ % all athletic. That is a great offer. At least the Big 10 and Big 12 are offering 4 year guarantees. Their number 1 non national player recruit will generally get in the range of 90%. They will have a big spread with some getting 90% a national player at 100% and a few kids as low as just a roster spot and books. All kids on the roster get free food.
The second tier conferences will spend 100% on non national players at the top of their lists and I think from our experience have more kids with a wider scholarship amount. Whereas Virginia may have an entire roster of kids from 40-60%, Temple might have 6 kids at 100%. those 6 may have been offered 25% at Syracuse and decided to take the full ride at Temple instead and play a lot more. Just some generalities to give you the lay of the land. The same non national but top 3 player on her top level club team might command a 25% scholarship at Virginia offered in her Junior year (if she stayed in the game that late), 50% at Pittsburgh, 75% at Ohio State, and even 100% at Duquesne offered to her during sophomore year. Just to give you an idea if our hypothetical kid were actually to go through the process to junior year, which is somewhat unlikely, but I hope I demonstrated a very 10,000 foot view of the deals as we have seen them over several kids at various levels.

Anonymous said...

Great post.

My ACC comment was more about the soccer. Forget last year and even the College Cup. The CC is like the FA Cup, anything can happen in a one off game that goes straight to penalties. It is not a good measure of the best team over the long haul. The ACC is consistently deep with UNC, UVA, Duke, FSU. Duke finished 8th in conf. There are other good schools no question, but no other conf is a deep and recruits as many top players as the ACC.

Anonymous said...

MAPS Spring Challenge schedules re out
http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=48283&Gender=Girls&Age=16

Anonymous said...

MAPS Spring Challenge is cancelled for Saturday, Sunday will most likely be cancelled also.

Anonymous said...

Any thoughts on players tweeting out their verbal commitments. Good idea or risky??

Anonymous said...

It makes some people envious.

Anonymous said...

When should a student athlete looking to be recruited by a college or university, establish an account with NCAA eligibility Center Website and is this mandatory to do?

Anonymous said...

Question and opinions for those of you to whom it may apply(probably PA and NJ):
Future 500 camp held at Eastern University in early July
Who can tell me something about this? Good or bad?

Anonymous said...

My child went to this camp. She got interest from several D1-D3 schools. She was a freshman. It was Ok if you got selected to play in the id events. If you have a d3 level older player it probably would be good to get her on the radar. It was ok in organization. Kids had to figure out how to get from Cabrini to eastern and back, but they figured it out.

Anonymous said...

Thanks 12:25
"Selected to play in the id events?"
Please explain

Anonymous said...

There are games that are essentially all star games. The coaches are all watching them. Its like getting an extra showcase in. Coaches all lined up. Only caveat, your kid has to be one of the top 3 or so on their training team to get invited. All of the training teams get games and coaches come to watch specific players who have indicated interest in their programs at these evening games. So evening games have about a dozen or so coaches at each game. If there are a few colleges of interest to your child, it may be worth it. Likely cheaper than paying for 5 id camps and getting your kid there. But not as focused on a single school and you don't get to feel the vibe. But maybe a good way to get on the radar.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the helpful info 8:36
That's exactly where we are right now...where to spend the money and how many ID camps if not "invited" so to speak. Girl can end up just another number...

Anonymous said...

Nice performance by the USWNT this past week. The 17 year old looked really skilled, knowledgeable & poised. Fun to watch a kid so close to our daughters age play so well at the absolute highest level.

After defeating #2 Germany, #3 France & #5 England, I’m hoping everyone on here would agree US Women’s Soccer is running a well-oiled machine. They seem to have seamlessly transitioned from the old roster players to newer players mixed in with a few veterans.

Anonymous said...

not really. its a numbers game . the US care about womens soccer more than anyone else. they pump more $$ in than anyone else. They SHOULD be dominant. When women are getting 200caps, the machine is far from well oiled. More like a country club with indentured members.

Anonymous said...

1:28PM
I agree that the women's game is transitioning nicely and the 'old way' and thinking is being replaced. Which is exactly what needs to happen in a program, any program any where. Definitely a LOT better soccer being played but you can see some of the old stuff how up more often than it should.

Overall I am encouraged and close to being convinced.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

I'm trying to determine what would constitute a reasonable offer from a D1 school. I'm beginning to think I've been underestimating her ability. Her coach told her there are 4 schools that are interested in her and would like her to visit their schools as soon as possible. Her club coach seems to think anyone of them is ready to make an offer if she is interested. All of the schools are ranked in the top 50+/- and are all mid-tier or above academically. She plays on one of the top teams in our state. She has not been IDed. The coach lead me to believe she's gotten more than an average number of coaches (for her team) interested in her. She would be very happy at any of these schools/teams. Would 25% cost of all expenses be reasonable for a middle of the road D1 prospect (I'm guessing she is middle of the road), in her sophomore year of HS?

ICE said...

@710..This is not NFL free agency. Only you and your family can determine what is value to you weighing up all your options. I would be irresponsible giving you any advice on such an important decision as would anyone else. Go to the "best" school you can afford is all I can say.

Anonymous said...

7:10
In what grade is she?
You have to determine which you will put more weight on...academics or athletics? Go to a school with great academics and a 500 soccer record but she can play a lot of soccer or go to a school with average academics but great soccer record...she may be benched for awhile?
How is she academically? Is money an issue? etc...

Anonymous said...

Money is always an issue. That is why I'm trying to understand what a typical package, for someone like my daughter. My question is not which school she should go to. My question is what kind of athletic scholarship is offered to a player like my daughter. From what I'm seeing, it seems girls that commit as freshmen are getting full rides. If she has 4 schools that believe she can be an impact player, none of them in the top 10, does that put her in the 25% range for athletic money, or higher? All the schools are in good conferences. She is a sophomore and is on a club team that is easily considered in the top 100 nationally. She is a midfielder and also plays center back. I'm strictly interested in athletic $$. We will not get financial aid.

Anonymous said...

Ok, First if the visits require a flight find out FIRST how interested they are. Are they ready to make her an offer when you are down there or not. These visits are expensive and the kids miss school for them. If they are ready, then you have 4 solid possibilities that's great congratulations! Don't listem to the academics guy. All schools in the top 50 are decent academic schools. Some offer honors colleges and all have diverse majors. A diploma and a 3.5, decent 50% MCAT scores and D1 soccer on her resume will get her into nearly all med schools... By way of example.

When she goes to visit she will get a vibe. How much money are they sinking into their soccer program? Expect fully funded in a top 50. Also 3 coaches plus a volunteer coach and a director of operations. The team might share an academic advisor with the women's basketball team and have their own trainer. Expect the academic advisor to travel with them an maybe broker a on line tutoring session, run interference with professors and proctor exams on the road if necessary. Their weight trainer might also be shared with one other team. Look at the facilities. How compfortable and respected do they make your daughter feel? Where are the dorms and cafeterias relative to the field house/training venues? Is there extended hour food availability for athletes with odd hours?

As for the offer. It depends. How many kids are already committed for 2018, 2017? 2016? Translation, how much of their money have they already used up. If a keeper she could demand more than 25%. It sounds like she is one of their higher level recruits at this stage if in the lower potion of the top 50 in a non power 5 conference (exception maybe big east- Georgetown). If a top 20 program, you can ask them if they have already offered a spot to a kid who plays your daughter's position. If so and declined, you can probably get a higher amount because they were playing the game earlier and probably with a fair amount of money and didn't get their top choice and want to grab a kid they think can fill a void. If not they may just be on a slower time line than some of the very top programs and she might still be a top recruit. A second tier role player kid at this point in a top 20 program is looking at books to 25%

Ask them what they project her role on the team to be? Impact player freshmen starters should get at least 75% at all but the very highest demand schools like Virginia or Stanford for example.

Good luck. In sum, could be books to 25% if she is the last add in the 2018 class for a top 20 school, or 75% if they love her and think she will make an immediate impact. This is a gray zone time. Earlier in the fall, we could say definitely push for 50% or more, in junior year probably looking at 25%. Each school is on a slightly different schedule. Top ACC schools are about done with 2018. Big east and A10 are just starting with most of their 2018 commitments. For example. Good luck

Anonymous said...

Thank you "March 15, 2016 at 2:56 PM' response. That is good info. Would you say anything north of 50% is an indication that they see value in a 2018?

Anonymous said...

2:56 This sounds like great information, but what are you basing this on? First hand experience with an older child? Are you involved in recruiting? Admissions?

Anonymous said...

Not replying to 8:19 but here's a good, factual resource

"A Parent and Player Guide To: The Naked Truth of the Women's College Soccer Recruitment Process: Finding the Right Fit" by India Trotter

Worth the read. Simple yet practical

Anonymous said...

I think above 50% and they think she will contribute immediately. Is she a tall (5'9" or above and good in the air) or very fast or both center back? These are specifically sought after characteristics in this position. If she is then they are probably looking to plug a hole in their back line. Center backs are usually later recruits because they aren't as flashy, but schools really need them. They grab the flashy attacking players first. I would think she should be looking to garner a 50% offer in this position at this time from a top 50. Of course with the caveat that I have never seen her play so am handicapped in my statements.

I have older children who went through it and children going through now actively with one who is younger than this blog and another at this level. Hence my flight comments that happened to us first hand and want to share that experience to save some people money potentially. I also played way back in college, went through some of this myself, though admittedly its different now and girls are different than boys. Not probably that its completely relevant, but I coached my children until they out grew me. Though we still kick around in the yard.

Anonymous said...

Here are some rough numbers on 2018 commits that I gathered from a couple sites:

ACC
Duke: 6
FSU: 3
North Carolina: 4
Notre Dame: 4
Virginia: 5
Virginia Tech: 2
Clemson: 1
Louisville: 7
Miami: 2
Syracuse: 3

Big Ten
Penn State: 5
Rutgers: 2
Ohio State 1

Pac-12
Stanford: 6
USC: 3
Arizona: 8

Big-12
West Virginia: 2
Texas Tech: 1

AAC
UConn: 2
UCF: 1
USF: 3
Cincinnati: 10



Anonymous said...

The following link has a pretty complete list of commitments for all classes that are currently unsigned.
https://sites.google.com/site/soccerrecruits/

Anonymous said...

Yes that list though I am sure you worked hard on it, is very incomplete.

Anonymous said...

The National League is certainly not for every team.

Anonymous said...

Don't understand when club administrators / parents subject teams to experiences such as those endured in NC and Vegas. Wouldn't they have been better off spending their time seeking a more balanced level of competition closer to home.

Anonymous said...

I used to think that way but now I completely disagree. When you continually play in tournaments closer to home you end up playing the same teams over and over again. Your player and team won't end up growing or developing as strongly with that mindset. Vegas for example draws strong teams from the west coast that an east coast team might never get to play against otherwise.

And quite honestly. It's their money. What do you care what they choose to do with it.

Anonymous said...

@10:44 - sorry to burst your bubble, but I only spent a few minutes compiling that. It was generated from the list posted by @2:41 and cross checked with TDS. If you have issues with the content, take it up with those sites. Or, better yet if you have something of value to add, then by all means share it with us.

Anonymous said...

PDA acceptances are posted.

Anonymous said...

Completely disagree with 9:04 as there needs to be some level of common sense. Six losses in seven games and a -19 goal differential capped off with a 1-9 result boarders on irresponsible.

Anonymous said...

10:52 don't know which team you are referring to but I would say that decision should be based on an individual team basis. Some teams/players can and do benefit. The scenario you are suggesting shows a team that doesn't appear to be able to handle the level of competition where they were placed. Sounds like they were put in the wrong bracket for their abilities. That doesn't really have anything to do with where the tournament was at. It could've easily been a local. If a team is placed higher than they should that is what happens

Anonymous said...

11:02 refers to SDFC. A nice local club but one who has never one a single major tournament. USYS was desperate for some additional representation from the East. The took the 2 highest ranked that applied in SAC and SDFC. Losing matches3-0 or 4-1 is a mismatch, losing 9-1 and 6-0 is totally unacceptable for a league of this caliber. Such a shame since their are a number of higher level teams from the Northeast who could have competed but have no faith in the USYS model.

Anonymous said...

My kids team was in LV. Would be nice to forgo the expense but it is good to play against new teams. Would have been better if the comp was stronger. My daughter's team dominated due to their size and speed. But there were players from other teams with good skills, better than most teams she plays in state.

Anonymous said...

@905 You are very sensitive. I wasn't trying to be a jerk only had a few seconds to post and thought that the list was unintentionally misleading. I posted @256 and a second one that some people have found useful. No need to bristle. If you checked TDS/google site you should have been more complete.

Further your most recent post is very confusing. You said you used the google site cross referenced with TDS. That certainly would have taken a lot longer than a few minutes to check every team in the top 5 conferences. But then clearly you didn't. The big 12 stood out to me because you claim that only 2 schools have 2018 commits. They cover a lot of Texas and Texas is known for early commitments. I don't have the time to check them all but on a quick (actual couple minute) review from TDS site:

Texas 4 2018
3 2019

Kansas 2 2018
Iowa State 4 2018
Ok state 3 2018 and 1 2019

Kansas state 5 2018

So now that you poked me. You did a crappy job that misled people- now I am wondering if you were intentionally doing so.

Also what bubble did you burst of mine?

Anonymous said...

@ 757

My daughter's team dominated due to their size and speed. But there were players from other teams with good skills, better than most teams she plays in state.

if the above is true, you are playing in the wrong local league.

Anonymous said...

Ok so I will start it. Is there any doubt that the gunners will win the championship bracket at Jeff cup ? Any thoughts ?

Anonymous said...

How exactly does a team 'win' a bracket in a showcase event type format?

Anonymous said...

Should be interesting at Jeff Cup. Are Gunners sitting their committed kids?
I know some clubs are (also in the top group). I get it but its silly. Kids want to win, if they can. They are the ones practicing, showing the commitment. They are. This is the only soccer forum they may have to compete against non-league clubs. So, let them compete, fully. But, good luck to all the teams.

Anonymous said...

For a showcase they combine wins, goals and shutouts.
6 pts for win
3 goals max 1 pt each
1 for shutout
10 pts max for a match

Anonymous said...

PDA must have a deal with the devil. You can't maintain a competitive tournament when you guarantee acceptance to Npl teams. My daughters team did not get in. Despite easily winning all 3 games there last year. And not losing a game in the last year. The 3 teams they beat are all accepted.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you 4:25. When looking at the list, there are a lot of teams that were kept out and a bunch of teams that should not have gotten in.

Guess PDA only cares that their teams are competitive, their tournament, not so much. If it continues, it certainly won't maintain a high status as a showcase if it stays this way.

Anonymous said...

I think all the ECNL teams that have healthy rosters over 18 are sitting their committed kids. Especially the ones going to san Diego to keep the top kids (who are generally the committed ones at this point healthy. For example what percentage of 2018 and older kids were committed that attended the PDP event last weekend. I bet all or almost all.

Anonymous said...

Its funny that people keep acting like the ECNL teams sit their committed kids at these tournaments or showcases. At Vegas this past weekend, I can firmly say that the three ecnl teams that were encountered played their committed players, some played the whole game. I am not saying that they might not do it sometimes, but I think it's very misleading to assume that the committed kids aren't playing in these non-ECNL games.

Anonymous said...

It's very obvious that PDA did not accept the best teams for their "Showcase" this year since they opted to allow low level NPL sister teams to ECNL clubs in.

I doubt this is/was advertised, but is the PDA Showcase mimicking Jeff Cup and establishing a partnership with NPL?? This would certainly help explain this baffling decision.

Anonymous said...

The Penn a fusion ECNL team is sitting out their committed kids at Jeff cup. Not even traveling. They are the spine of the team. Center back center mid striker and and another starting forward. 4 top starters. That allows roster spots 17-20 to not have to sit out and since only 16 are left a lot of play time for all the kids to show what they can do. Seems like a reasonable decision since they will be traveling to San Diego in a week. It works out for everyone this way. Or does it? Will it be harder for kids to show optimally when the players around them are weaker? Might this strategy backfire if the kids are on the defensive the whole game because the team is gutted? Will the back up striker see the ball? Could be a cluster.

Anonymous said...

@4:11pm - you are correct in your assumption with the PDA Showcase and a partnership with NPL. There is no clarity on the criteria for acceptance or how certain NPL or even Non-NPL teams were accepted.

Obviously this was not advertised publicly to teams applying and I'm sure college coaches have no clue about this either just yet. This watered down Showcase is a recipe for failure on so many levels and will hurt the brand of the PDA Showcase as being one of the best.

Anonymous said...

@ 9am

Nonsense. Coaches come to see players. Very rare they come on random fishing exercises. The brand will be just fine for now. DA is a much bigger threat. Maybe this is very smart and all about diversifying away from the top players because they know they will lose them to DA events next year. Either way PDA will be fine. The Sirius XM show yday on the DA was very interesting.

Anonymous said...

9:00 US Club will continue to get stronger and stronger. Will eventually force clubs to commit or risk poor exposure. Conform or disappear as a premier club. National League is a joke in this area as is Region 1. Hold out clubs will suffer. The days of open tournaments and showcases is over. Unfair but in a few years the transition will be complete.

Anonymous said...

10:52 you are correct when you say its unfair. When you have a 16 year old trying to showcase in their own state and are unable to that is a not good. It would be nice to get a break we travel all over the country to showcase and when their is a local tournament in our area they are not even considered. Instead they accept sister NPL teams of lesser quality so that they can assure themselves of the outcome. I dont know about you but to me that sounds like it is being monopolized. There are a total of 90 teams in the U16 bracket and only 8 of them are from NJ. What a joke.

Anonymous said...

Here in the first set of teams are the Region 1 jokers according to 9:00. Their average predictive power score is 35.31. Compare that with the PA and NJ NPL teams listed in the second set of teams, which have a lower average predictive power score of 33.84. Granted, the ECNL teams have higher scores than the jokers (for the most part), but we all can’t be elitist.

SAC UNITED PREMIER – 34.90
OBGC SOCCER OLNEY GIRLS – 34.73
HERNDON UNITED – 35.28
ARSENAL FC OF PA PREMIER PRIDE – 36.39
BEADLING SC BEADLING BOMBERS – 35.57
PATRIOT FC PREMIER – 36.31
FC FREDERICK – 35.62
PWSI COURAGE RED – 37.76
FC PENNSYLVANIA STRIKERS – 37.76
PDA BREAKERS – 36.28
SDFC PANTHERA – 35.53
WNY FLASH ACADEMY GIRLS – 36.29
NJ STALLIONS STAMPEDE NPL – 35.88
NORDIC SC NORDIC 16 PREMIER GIRLS – 34.21
MERRICK/ SOUTH MERRICK LADY CYCLONES – 33.17
HBC BUZZ – 33.16


FC BUCKS FORCE NPL - 34.02
PENN FUSION SA NPL - 33.79
CONTINENTAL FC BARCA NPL - 31.90
NJ WILDCATS TROUTMAN NPL - 34.63
JERSEY UNITED SOCCER SPARTANS NPL - 34.61
NEW JERSEY RUSH NPL - 34.36
MORRIS UNITED SA STA NPL - 33.96
PRINCETON SA IGFA NPL - 33.86
NJ CRUSH FC NPL - 33.85
MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC NPL - 33.44

Anonymous said...

The PDA Showcase deal was bartered not just for NPL teams but specifically for clubs that participated in the rather weak NPL Showcase in Florida.

Anonymous said...

So which NJ teams were denied for PDA? Without an applied list it hard to say, can only think of maybe 2 who really would rightfully be there.

Anonymous said...

Looks like the locals had a tough weekend at Jeff Cup in the upper brackets. PA Strikers very weak effort along with Alby. QUickstrike continued to impress with 2 wins over ECNL clubs. Great conditions for games. Lots of impressive soccer.

Anonymous said...

Interesting about the PA teams. I know Penn Fusion ECNL did not bring any of their commits. I thought PDA was not as well, but apparently they did.

Rationale is to Showcase the kids that were not committed yet and some may not get as much playing time otherwise or playing them in different positions to show diversity. It's cool that some do this as this tourney meant nothing for ECNL standings.

Some like PF did that at CASL as well (sending kids to the composite teams; other squads). Not about the placement or outcome but getting kids seen that may not normally get as much playing time.

Did Strikers bring their entire roster or sit their commits?

Anonymous said...

Agree with 3/23 at 9:13. May or may not work. Kids have to adjust their games to other players. Some may or may not have played as well as normally. How are they Showcasing, then?

Anonymous said...

Richmond and FC Va played regular rosters.

Anonymous said...

For those teams that did not get into PDA Showcase in May, apply for Delco Cups. It still gets good talent and a good amount of coaches. Some schools send one to PDA and one to Delco.

Anonymous said...

local clubs did well at the jeff cup . Great weather a good field conditions. Pda Gunners received top spot in standings with 3-0 record , great results for local clubs

Anonymous said...

No Richmond did not play their top scorer.

Anonymous said...

Gunners used the whole roster. Some sit outs.

Anonymous said...

Richmond most certainly played their top scorer this weekend as did FC VA. Maybe you should have watched all the matches.

Anonymous said...

A serious effort by ECNL faithful to explain the fact that they did not get great success from each team. It happens every year at every non ECNL event.

Anonymous said...

Would love to see non-ECNL vs. FULL ECNL rosters. Why doesn't this happen?

As an ECNL person, I was quite disappointed when some clubs chose to not bring their commits and played high level teams that were fully rostered. That would be a true championship event.

Also, sometimes the not as strong player rises next to the better players.

Anonymous said...

I think is silly that teams don't come with their full rosters. Maybe don't give the commits a lot of time, but bring them and play them. It throws off the dynamic of the team when you don't come fully rostered. What about the kids that could have committed, but have not? How are they being showcased when they have to adjust their game?

Also, it gives the kids that play a lot a taste of what it feels like to wait for your turn and make the most of it. That can be a very valuable learning tool as well.

Are the Showcase tourneys now considered scrimmages/friendlies? Or, are they supposed to be competitive? I guess that will be part of what is all worked out in the evolving world of soccer.

Anonymous said...

Pretty sure that Penn Fusion was only team to keep players out this weekend but their mouthpiece will quickly verify this. Not sure about PDA but the others were fully rostered. The spin cycle is at full speed.

Anonymous said...

@8:11. PF seems to be the only team that did not play commits.
Had an opportunity of watching several ECNL team games. Other teams played their commits.

Anonymous said...

Pf had commits playing. Don't let them full you.

Anonymous said...

Months ago Hempfield high school goalie posted on instagram she had committed to Laffeyette? She played.

Anonymous said...

@10:08, PF did not play any field player commits. Most teams played all keepers.

Anonymous said...

I think prior posts re playing or not playing commits were referring to field players. I know I was.

Anonymous said...

It makes sense that they would bring their back up keeper in case of an emergency. I don't think that kids can show well missing so many key players. There has to be adjustments made and that will take a few games to happen. By then the tournament is over.

Anonymous said...

True @539, only saw one Richmond game, but one of their Tennessee commits did not play. According to their ECNL page, she is their top scorer.

Also the one PDA game that I saw, did not feature one of their prominent commits. Would be interesting to see what percentage of their PDP players actually participated in the Jeff cup.

Anonymous said...

Strikers only have a couple commits, I think they played

Anonymous said...

we talk about Commits as if that makes these kids game changers.It doesn't. I read posts that imply a kid cannot play well without being surrounded by familiar conditions and players they know. Nonsense. Really what I am reading is folks who believe winning is the only thing that gives a coach read on a player. Nonsense. The focus on all these irrelevant things just shows how little parents actually get it. All you should care about is a good showing from your kid whether that be a win, loss or tie.All the other BS is just that,BS

Anonymous said...

Some of the commits are game changers. Some actually understand the game compared with someone else who doesn't. If you have a keeper that has kids on the back line or in the middle that don't listen to instruction or direction or don't understand it, makes a difference. Are you saying it doesn't?

Anonymous said...

My daughter is a keeper. Played with a holding mid at centerback since centerback didn't play. It was brutal. She refused to listen to keeper and outside defender. Wind made it impossible to hear coach. Looked unorganized.

Anonymous said...

Yes @10:26. Or same with other kids in other positions. As one of the prior posts noted, it may take a few games for adjustments to be made and by that time, the tourney is over.

Sometimes that is hard to watch because the kids that understand the game get frustrated. When they put a ball into space where they expect their teammate to go to the ball and they don't because they are on their heels waiting for it to come to them or moving after it's where she should have been. Does this really help the team dynamic?

That same player that didn't run onto it, may do so with the other players that understand the game surrounding her because she isn't afraid to take the chance because she knows if she looses it, she has back up. Her confidence then grows. Isn't THAT what a Showcase is about?

Anonymous said...

What happened at PDA Showcase? Looks like 8 top non ECNL with Cleveland, NEFC, Cincinnati Cup, NEFC, Quickstrike, Santos, PA Strikers, Sunrise.
Were are the others like Syracuse, Stallions, ISA, SDFC, Arsenal, Patriot? Did clubs not apply? Serious drop off.

Anonymous said...

I hear ya 10:38. My kid is as well. At some point, she had forwards on her line and more. Coaches don't know that; do they?
I heard a coach (a pretty good one from a big time school) say that he saw one keeper at a showcase tourney let in a few goals and passed on her. She turned out to be a big time player. She would have been better in his program though (knowing the program). So, in particular for keepers, sometimes they DO judge based on what they see going into the net. They don't know the particulars re the parts in front of them re the other kids. And, I know some say, well, if there is interest, they'll be back. As I heard from from this coaches' mouth, not always. Sometimes, they just move on.
So, if a kid has worked hard all year and finally gets a certain coach to come watch and this kid isn't placed into the best position because the regulars aren't being played, how is that showcasing?

Anonymous said...

The PDA game I saw had their prominent commits. Well, they have quite a few. However, I am pretty sure they played their game changers. May not have in every game, but for this particular game, they wanted it. Look, I don't blame them. Their record is what it is because of the full team, not a partial.

Anonymous said...

Reading your comments. Very interesting stuff. My kid is a keeper. Plays lights' out under normal circumstances when kids in front of her know the game, too, and trust her. She had some kids on her line that changed each game/stoppages and would not take direction or instruction. Some would not turn around for the ball for quick transition. They didn't want it. Even kids in the middle outside were ducking behind the other team so she could not throw it out to them. Again, they didn't want it.

So, she was kicking into the wind and got stuck with the ball because kids that didn't want to show badly. What? She had to adjust her game. How did that help her? The commits don't have to worry about showing badly, they are committed. Other kids apparently do. And, as one of the posts above noted, when they look unorganized, who doesn't show well? The keeper.


Anonymous said...

A showcase is a chance for coaches to see several players in one location. If you think that a GK was passed on because of her defenders, you are lost. he saw something in how she reacted to adversity that put him off. How about if she played behind a great defense and face one shot? is that better? All you folks whining about how OTHER kids played, making excuses. All you are telling me is that your kids needs other kids to play well or she wont. Stop blaming other things and focus on what you can control. Every kids has good days and bad days. Every player from the best to the worst has to face many different challenges and how they cope defines them. Not how they play in the most optimal conditions. Maybe PDA win because the coach is better than yours. maybe he prepares his team better than yours. WHo knows, and tbh who cares. just stop blaming others for things perhaps not going your way all the time.

Anonymous said...

12:09, To the points posted about keepers, while showcases may offer some game time activity most college coaches want to see specifics for keepers. Based on the fact that they may only face a few shots in a game the best opportunity is to attend the college ID camps. A coach can scout a keeper at a showcase but will never see a sufficient example if her defense does not let anything through. THey might be able to gauge her commmunication if that is what leads to fewer chances, but if she saves 2 out of two pedestrian shots that is not enough to go on. Unless they are a PK save and an upper '90 stop.

For keepers it is more difficult to show at a showcase then a field player in general.

Anonymous said...

I can't speak for others, but I'm not talking about how other kids played. I'm talking about how MY kid played or had to adjust her play. And, despite the adversity, she played pretty well. She never put her head down. She didn't blow up at her teammates, but continued to TRY to engage players that refused to engage. She doesn't pick the line ups.
She still did her job. She is a gamer. She gets it. She is the one that explained to me that kids didn't want the ball and were ducking. She knows her position, quite well. Not the first time she encountered this, I guess.
Some kids rise up to the challenge and some don't.

Anonymous said...

@10:45AM

The fact is that PDA Showcase decided to strike a deal with NPL and non-NPL teams for automatic acceptance if they attended the Florida NPL Showcase over the Christmas holiday break. Who knows why or how some non-NPL teams were accepted to an NPL Showcase in the first place.

This is why there are so many sub-par teams (NPL and non-NPL) accepted over teams like Syracuse DA, Stallions, Patriot FC, etc.

The drop off has seriously lowered the overall level of the Showcase and with no advertisement that PDA Showcase had this type of acceptance deal in place when applying, I'm sure many teams are scrambling to find something competitive.

Maybe the PDA Showcase is moving towards a blatant two-tiered type of Showcase?

Anonymous said...

Take the teams that didn't get into PDA to Delco Cups.

Anonymous said...

If you want some points sure, go to Delco. But if your looking for Coaches no waste your money.

Anonymous said...

12:48

If my daughters typical back line is playing my daughter(gk) is very involved. She has better foots kills then most field players and our defense rarely just kicks it out. They use her and her vision. Most counter attacks start with her. Even if your not making saves you can show your knowledge,vision, leader ship , foots kills and ability to make a precision pass. Throw in defenders who are not comfortable using keeper and just kick it out my daughter doesent show well. For those who wasted the money at Jcup on keeper showcase what did you think. I watched it for 20min uses and saw 0 coaches. We're they leading it? Did they know about it?

Anonymous said...

PDA put out alot signals but many clubs are too proud to notice. This is a business arrangement that any real organization should be able to decipher. Clubs that are ones that will benefit the showcase by bringing additional college coaches or help support the NPL showcase are what they wanted. Clubs looking for a free ride didn't get the nod.

Anonymous said...

Interesting re Delco Cups. Maybe reach out to tourney director and get scoop. I heard that some coaches are trying to capitalize on PDA close-outs and send an asst. to Delco as well. My team is in PDA. Just seems like a good place for teams like Syracuse DA, Stallions, Patriots, etc. to go. But, agree, if coaches aren't going, why do it. Points are meaningless in the real soccer world.

Anonymous said...

@2:07, I hear ya. There is a huge difference. But that is why some coaches go to League games, too. On to the next one.

Anonymous said...

2:07

We did not attend Jeff Cup so I do not know what the Goalie sessions looked like. I am referring the specific College ID camps. Some say that they are money makers for the school but the ID camp can be the tipping point for keepers. The coaches have a controlled environment to see how a keeper performs in all aspects of training.

Anonymous said...

@3:11. Thanks. It's just finding the time and funds to do all of this. Plus, they are students, too. And, we encourage community service and service to others. I am about making sure my kid is a good person, first. And, realizing how lucky she is to have such wonderful opportunities.

Anonymous said...

Late to the thread, but there are/was/is no signals at all that the PDA Showcase put out in any arena of communication talking about this so called "business arrangement".

If there is, please direct the readers to those communications so that this community can get on the same page and "decipher" these signals.

Jeff Cup was transparent about their relationship with the NPL and posted it on their website from day one.

Sorry to burst the NPL bubble, but outside of Quickstrike and East Meadow Hotspurs, the other accepted NPL teams are not bringing additional college coaches to the PDA Showcase. It's not a judgement, but rather a fact because these other NPL teams do not have the players at the u16 level to motivate additional college coaches to attend & watch a majority of Division 3 talent trying to be passed off as Division 1 or 2 since most of them are also the little sister teams within the ECNL clubs.

Anonymous said...

Ouch!

Anonymous said...

Some clubs read between the lines better than others. Seems logical that the host of NPL Showcase "PDA" in Florida would look favorable on supporting clubs for other showcases. Not surprised in the least.

Anonymous said...

3;32 Please look at the attendees for NPL Showcase, Aztec, Storm, Nefc,Quickstrike,Riverhounds,Smithtown,Manhattan,along with others all sent clubs to that showcase in some age group. Some top non NPL programs were accepted as they did not have this option.

Anonymous said...

GK ID camps are an excellent opportunity for GK to showcase themselves. I think the best are the multischool camps for GK: more bang for your buck if there are several schools of interest attending. They have keeper trainings where there are multiple coaches in attendance to get a better idea of a gk technique. many scrimmage opportunities are also presented for the game presence, judgment factor to be evaluated. Why do you think coaches at showcases looking for a keeper are avidly watching the gk warm ups?

Anonymous said...

For posters 3:32, 5:19 and 5:41 -

Don't kill the messenger - this "acceptance deal" for NPL teams and the PDA Showcase is already out there in the club, college setting and now on the blogs obviously.

From the college setting, PDA as a club is not going to be hurt by this deal, only the Showcase will - hopefully people realize these are two separate entities.

Coaches will no longer have the luxury of getting the most out of their recruiting budget with a concentrated showcase with talented ECNL and non-ECNL teams at PDA. The growing consensus is that many college coaches will still go to the PDA Showcase, but not in the same capacity as years past. Many D1 programs will send one staff member vs. two or three, out of Region schools will skip it all together and the increase will be seen among D2 and D3 because it caters more to their competitive level with the influx of these NPL and non-NPL teams.

Like I said, don't kill the messenger, but this is a big discussion among the college community right now.

Anonymous said...

College coaches are there for specific players and games. No different than Jeff Cup or CASL. Top flights at Jeff Cup and Casl had 70-100 coaches for top flights and this number dropped by each flight lower. I suspect this will be the same at PDA, they are there for ECNL games and top secondary flights as this is the primary target player profile. Smaller schools with definitely be fewer but still be present. Most in the soccer world do understand that every ECNL or other high level team will not have all D1 players but most have players who will continue in college at some level. If you team playing target is not primarily D1 or similar than PDA is not the best choice anyway. Backup plans should always be considered for this type of showcase as they have always been selective for various reasons.

Anonymous said...

If your child aspires to highest level and is not playing in the top couple of flights at Jeff cup like regional/national tournaments, its probably too late for anything but a roster spot in a power 5 anyway at this point in the game. That is unless she can switch teams to one playing at PDA- like Strikers. I am guessing they are looking for reinforcements after their performance at Jeff cup against ECNL teams resting starters for San Diego. The call of the ECNL must be greater than the call of the free programming. Not looking to good there, but they are in and will get coaches.

Anonymous said...

10:15

We are in the college visit portion of our search, more about seeing the college then settling on the Soccer aspect. The response my daughter has received from coaches regarding a coaches attendance at a Tournament/showcase is that they are there to see players who have expressed an interest in going to their school. THey do mention that if someone playing, not on their list, catches their eye that they will talk to the current coach, the numbers of coaches at higher bracketed games is by nature due to the interest of the players in the attending schools, coaches will watch you son/daughter play if they are at the event no matter what bracket they are in. It may just be a shorter sample. The trick is making sure that you communicate with your current coach the situation and the possibility that your child may be getting looks because an ill timed sub could spell disaster.

Anonymous said...

@10:26 - I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss FC Penn. Three 1 goal losses to some very good teams is no reason to claim that the sky is falling. In their game against Richmond, they lead going into the second half. Richmond certainly wasn't "resting their starters", as their two WNT members were instrumental in their comeback. That would indicate to me that they played to win, much like every other team out there.

I find it curious that on one hand people state that results don't matter in a showcase - "college coaches don't care who wins or loses, they are just watching how the players perform" and on the other hand they are claiming teams that don't win are in trouble. Same for the people that are quick to dismiss ECNL losses by claiming that they were resting commits. The ECNL teams that I was able to watch were playing all their commits.

Overall, I saw some really good soccer by a number of teams that I had not had the chance to see previously.

Anonymous said...

I saw the game and know the Richmond team. They did not play their top goal scorer, in the FC PA game. The players you mention are definitely impact players, but the three together put that team at another level. Were Strikers at full roster?

Anonymous said...

OK, so MB didn't play? I was thinking of JC and PF. They have so many good kids I can't keep them all straight. I don't know who was there for the Strikers - I'm not as familiar with that team.

Anonymous said...

Strikers did play with it's entire roster. Hopefully, they got everyone looks (sometimes they don't). Nonetheless, they are very good players, better than most.
Surely every team at PDA will be coming loaded and ready to play everyone, even the commits.
Should be a good tourney.

Anonymous said...

PDA should be a good tourney with Strikers, NEFC, Sunrise, Quickstrike, Cleveland, Cincinnati Cup, and few others in the premier flights. Hope they keep the together for good competition. Spreading them out would be a shame.

Anonymous said...

Right, MB didn't play in that game. Three headed monster those three are for sure. When they are all on the field there are not many who can beat them. But with JC call ups. Not happening with complete regularity. What do you mean that "sometimes they don't". Few coaches at their events? I am sure they got looks at casl and Disney. For sure they had some stud players who must be interesting to college scouts. There were coaches on Saturday there. How are they doing with their commitments?

Anonymous said...

Did see some the Richmond/Quickstrike match 2nd half and did see all 3 on the field. Not sure if was all game. May have gone in after going down in first half.

Anonymous said...

No disrespect, but is scoring 17 goals in 2 games vs the same team or better still 40 pct of your goals on the season. Im sure Richmond are a good team, but another level? Don't think so looking at their ECNL results. they look like a solid ECNL team to me, not much more.

Anonymous said...

FC Penn vs Richmond. I do know FC Penn used their back up goalie for the entire Richmond game. I do believe they used their full roster throughout the entire tournament as did most of the teams in the top bracket. Good quality players on the field for both sides. Hopefully all the girls made good impressions with coaches in attendance.

Anonymous said...

12:50

"Sometimes they don't" meant they don't always play everyone to get interest/looks. Had nothing to do with amount of Coaches. Had to do with kids getting playing time, even a little. Hopefully, they all did.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Delco closed out, so where clubs not going to PDA playing? Maybe just a weekend off? Columbia?

Anonymous said...

1:58. Look at the less than stellar results games. They are missing one or more of the three headed monster. Not sure they have any losses when all three are there. Hence my comment that they are a different level when all three on the field. No none are my kids.

Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion looked gutted without their committed kids. Best kid left was a play up 2019. A couple other solid kids left but they have no depth.

Anonymous said...

Agreed @ 8:03. I guess it's pretty amazing what PF has been doing with only a few really solid players, then, huh?

Anonymous said...

Makes you wonder why they decided to not play kids, then. Clearly, other kids play better around them. This happened with other teams, too. Makes no sense. Showcase the team!

Anonymous said...

Saw the comment about Delco Cups closing out. Reach out to tourney director. If there are enough talented teams, that are looking for spots, maybe they will add a bracket. It is worth a shot.

Anonymous said...

Enlighten me, what have they been doing? Tied a weak nye team tied a very good Florida team and lost to a Tennessee team. Have they been doing anything notable? Several starters out can really change the game for sure. It would be interesting to hear the response of the players who played on whether sitting the commits was ultimately a good decision for them. I put money on the kids who would have started anyway being upset that they weren't able to play their best adjusting their game to other kids on the field and others representing roster depth being happy to be on the field as much as possible. No way to make everyone happy. Seems like a reasonable choice though with San Diego on the heels of Jeff cup for them.

Anonymous said...

It was not just the field players that were out; others were playing different positions too. I saw girls playing up top and then on defense and then in the middle. A lot of shuffling.
And, YES some kids were not able to play their best games because they had to adjust to those who were not as comfortable in those positions in a showcase.
However, no "i" in Team, right? It's over. It wasn't horrible, but it could have been way better. Pretty sure they are moving on.

Anonymous said...

Just wondering, how do the tournament directors feel when they place teams into top brackets based on their records playing as a full team and then those teams don't bring their full teams? Does this affect how they are seeded the next year if they attend? Some sports exclude that team the next time or rank them in a lower bracket.

Anonymous said...

They were able to give players time that may not have seen as much playing time and also play them in different positions. Is it optimal for those who were not able to play their best games as a result? No. But, it's about the kids getting playing time in front of coaches. And, there were a lot of coaches.

Anonymous said...

the whining in this thread is unbelievable. at some point your child has to go on the field and show what she can do in the situation she finds herself in. Is your kids better because another kid beats 4 defenders and scores? Is your kid better because the gk makes a few huge saves to preserve a lead? of course not. I cant believe what I keep reading about how you need other kids on the field in order for your kid to show what she is made of. Coaches can see all they need to see whether you are winning, losing, playing with great players around you or not. Tell your kids to go out there and give 100 pct in all situations and stop whining about who was or was not on the field.

Anonymous said...

It's not the kids whining. It's the parents. And, agree. Even the best players that are surrounding by the best players can have off days.
Some here are ripping apart other teams for some unknown reason. Some teams played their entire roster, some didn't, some came loaded, some didn't. It doesn't matter.
Jeff Cup 2016 is in the books. Time to move to the next games.

Anonymous said...

@ 1006 Well said. btw, the other team has something to do with it. They make it sound like performance is all about who is on your team:)I don't care how great your team is. if you are a defender and the other teams best player is an attacker who you have to mark, you may be in for a real tough day. Or, you may be playing with kids who play less, but against another team whose kids play even less than your s do. Who knows. Its the parent excuses that crack me up. Its like in the parents refuse to accept that sometimes the kids fail . Failing is good if you get up and try harder. It seems the modern way to go is provide excuses and a bigger safety net. Great life lesson :)

Anonymous said...

Best said by my daughter. Asked her about practice as they are getting ready for SD. Asked how the kids are doing,

she said, we are fine. We know it was a showcase and things were being changed around. We did some good things and some not so good things. Some kids were nervous. It's okay. WE get it. Right now, we have a job to do and are focusing on this weekend and the games after. THEY matter to us. We are a Team from our strongest player to the not as strong. We are there for each other. And, when's dinner? I'm starving.

Anonymous said...

10:24 Good stuff. Parents seem to keep forgetting. It's about them and their experience. Let's not make them look back at youth soccer [and it is YOUTH soccer] as being horrible because of THEIR parents. These are kids. Not saying coddle, but saying ease up.

Anonymous said...

Read some of the threads above, does a child have to wait until she has taken the SAT's to register for the Clearance Center? Or is taking the PSAT enough to get this started?

Anonymous said...

You can register for the clearing house prior to taking the SAT.

Anonymous said...

9:30 thank you for posting this! I almost posted the exact same sentiment but I ended up deleting it. 100% agree that the whining and excuses just make you all look bad.

Anonymous said...

So says Saint Soccermom.

Anonymous said...

Nope not a saint.

Just not an overly obsessed, convinced my child is the second coming of mia hamm, not being noticed by power 5 college coaches bc of the lesser skilled players around her that they are stuck playing with, bc other equally skilled players committed for a little bit of money to go to a college so they can play soccer for four more years are not playing in this very immensely important game in my child's life, but they might actually have played depending on who is posting, and bc they aren't playing my Mia2 isn't able to perform her highly acclaimed foot skills and rainbow passes bc the shlub players on the field with her were hiding from the ball and didn't want to play or know how to play the game. Woe is my life of a soccer parent. I've been angry all week about this injustice that I've just about burst an artery so I need to come and talk about it on this blog so other like minded soccer superiors can reassure me that my mia2 is still a star.

Did I cover it all?

Anonymous said...

@739

Brilliant! Great to see an interesting post for once. Please mark any future posts with a * so I can be sure to read them ;)

Anonymous said...

Love it 7:38!!!
My thoughts exactly but I couldn't pen the words...

Anonymous said...

Any thoughts on the SJEB - NJ Rush merger from the NJ crowd? I'm not sure how merging two clubs can provide better opportunity for the kids. Seems like your going to displace an entire first team. Were any of the teams that bad off?

Anonymous said...

A and B team possible.

Makes sense to try to put forth a stronger regional team at these levels.

This is a good year to do it

Anonymous said...

this may not be popular, but Consolidation is exactly what is needed. There should be a place for most kids to play, but there are just too many places that do not have the quality to sustain the level at which they currently play.

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Anonymous said...

Speaking of consolidation, there are whispers that FC Bucks ECNL (at all levels) is imploding due to Eddie Leigh not being around anymore. Keep a close eye on how those teams do in San Diego today and through the weekend.

With the age group change, Development Academy and a couple alternatives in that area fielding competitive teams there could be some major shifts in rosters around the corner.

I'm glad to see SJEB and Rush joining together - it will only benefit the kids in that area.

Anonymous said...

7:40 which team are you referring to on both subjects ?

Anonymous said...

7:40. Really 70 coaches? Hmmm all 70 stood up in unison and walked away from the field as soon as a TOP team took the field? What's sign of solidarity. It's so nice to see them band together like that?

And people wonder why some of these posts are just laughable.

Anonymous said...

7:40 is the parent everyone enjoys talking soccer with. (makes everyone around them feel more intelligent) Exaggerate Much??

Anonymous said...

It's a fact actually that coaches generally have a schedule. Often half by half of which games / players they plan to see. So it would be expected that if the game to follow isn't on their schedule they would leave to see the next game/ half on their schedule. Not laughable at all. Probably happened if the game to follow was a significantly lower flight and if interest to a different set of coaches.

Anonymous said...

We understand how it works at showcases but thank you for the lesson. What everyone is questioning is your assertion that there were 70 coaches who all chose to leave the game and not watch a certain team. Your tone just continues to imply that coaches won't watch what you dean to be lesser talented teams. How about for arguments sake we just go along with you and wish your very talented soccer player the best of luck with their full ride at a power 5 program and then you can end your Jeff cup coverage. On to the next one :)

Anonymous said...

*deem ;)

Anonymous said...

The movement of college coaches at these showcases is very fluid. I have done the brochures for several kids. Between the players, parents and movement between games it is impossible to even notice coach movement. Most coaches manage to slip in and out very discreetly and anyone who says there is a mass departure is just stirring the pot. Jeff Cup makes a point to put top flights at West Creek to avoid what was described. Interestedly enough it very difficult to notice the difference between 30 coaches and a 100, most blend into the background. If you says otherwise it is just not true.

Anonymous said...

As for merger of SJEB and Rush anyone who says it is "good" or it is what is needed is not a smart person. Why don't we have PDA and FC Bucs and Match fit combine that way when the PDA parents are told they are the "B" team and Match fit is the "C" team.But they all Pay the same but the lower teams might get to play once in a while for the "A" team.But only the "A" team gets to go to the college showcase tournaments I am sure they will say it is good for my daughter and we love it and can't wait to stay hear.
When people post things like this it really shows the soccer knowledge that they DON'T have.

Anonymous said...

As a parent involved in the SJEB Rush merger, I think it is a good thing especially at our '99 age group. Bringing the 2 clubs together allows for the development of stronger "birth year" teams. Instead of being stuck with only a few players to choose from, this should enable the club to establish a couple teams of different levels. The combined coaching staff at least as of now appears to be solid with most being directly involved with Women's College teams. Having a couple teams at each age group will also encourage the players on the top team to continue to play hard and develop or risk being dropped down to another team, just as a player from the lower or "B" team can advance to the top team if their play dictates. At least as of now that is what it looks like. I know i have read in the past about other clubs like PDA and Matchfit where this system is supposed to work that way but really does not. Only time will tell.

Anonymous said...

10:43 The PDA , Bucks and Matchfit Second teams do attend the showcases, just play in lower brackets. Showcases like all tounaments have flights by ability. If you check the CASL, Jeff Cup and similar showcases you will see these teams are there. Instead of ECNL they may go to the NPL showcases, a club can only do so much. The team ability determines what level it plays at a showcase. Check Jeff Cup and you will see just as many NPL teams in the top flight as ECNL. The results are telling as several non ecnl teams produced excellent results.o did not see Rush or SJEB anywhere near the top flights so the merger may offer better combined teams. Wanna play top flights? Earn it.

Anonymous said...

You missed the point......If you took some kids from those teams (PDA ,FC Bucks and Matchfit) combined them into one club and reorganized the talent and told some of them.they were the new "B" and "C" team most of them would be upset and leave.

Anonymous said...

And you would have a very competitive "A" team.(which is the stated goal)

Anonymous said...

So for the PA folks, it looks like the tryout times as well as coach lists are out for the ECNL teams (Penn Fusion, FC Bucks, Continental). Based on the age change and reshuffle of coaches any thoughts on numbers and movement? Each club needs at least 40 girls to have ECNL and NPL representation, plus I would think that strength of teams would be a factor going into the DA choices next year.

User said...

U.S. U-16 Girls National Team training camp kicking off Wednesday

VERY FEW from Region1

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/nt/international-women/u-s-u-16-girls-national-team-training-camp-kicking-off-wednesday/

Anonymous said...

10:45am

Not usually a strong region, to get 2-3 is probably a big deal. Mid Atlantic is not a hotbed for WNT pool. Most of the names on the list are also committed to D1 programs.

Anonymous said...

Hey 3/31 at 7:28 am, nice post. I think the person you are referencing is on my child's team and tearing it apart because the mia2 refuses to be unselfish. Very good players are looking to possibly leave. Shame when one family does this to a team, but the coach is letting it happen.

Anonymous said...

@1045. Strange to release a roster this close to the start date. And with kids who are already on the U17 WC team?

Anonymous said...

Kennedy Wesley is injured and played in the CONCACAF qualifying for U17s. Roster looks way off to me. If you click on the U17 link, that camp starts 4/16, but this article says they will run concurrent ??

U-17 Women’s Championship and qualifying for the 2016 FIFA U-17 Women’s World Cup, the U.S. U-17 WNT will head to the U.S. Soccer National Training Center in Carson, Calif., for a training camp running from April 16-23.

U.S. head coach B.J. Snow has named a 26-player roster, including 18 players who participated in the CONCACAF Championship in Grenada in March. Absent from the qualifying team are defender Kennedy Wesley, who is still carrying a knee injury suffered in that tournament


I think SOCCERWIRE has something crossed.

Anonymous said...

FC Bucks ECNL still has solid coaches. I don't see them closing shop anytime soon. They could very well acquire some very good players/game changers from other teams in PA/NJ.

Anonymous said...

2:54 PM

Are they in the running for the DA spot? Also at this age it is about College connections. Most girls will stay local unless they are in the WNT pool as well. They are also the only club who has not had any "Birth Year ID clinics"

Anonymous said...

10:07 Do you really think it will make a huge difference next year? The age changes will shuffle most teams anyway. Neither club it that strong at this age that it makes a big difference. Most clubs typically have A and B teams, spots a never secure from year to year, next year is no different. At this age neither Rush or EJEB is competing at the major showcase, maybe it's time to step out and play some tournaments that don't include EDP, MSSL or MAPS in the title.

Anonymous said...

3:10. Birth Year ID Clinics are nothing anyway. Try outs matter. Many ECNL kids could not go to other ID clinics of other teams. So, just because a kid appeared at an ID Clinic, doesn't mean they'll be back or they would go elsewhere, too. Bucks has very good college connections.

Anonymous said...

DA spots will limit kids that are multiple sport athletes. These kids are not a dying breed and multi-sports are excellent cross training tools. So, some clubs will still have top level kids that aren't playing DA. US Soccer may only look at DA kids, but top programs will still look where ever there are great athletes. You can teach a kid to play with a ball and fine tune technical, strength, smarts and speed, but you can't make them tall, strong, smart or fast if not already there.

Anonymous said...

344 ..that's not true. If it was where are all the US produced world class international players? The reason the US only produced GKs is because that is the only position in which what you just said "may" work. I say may , because as the tactical requirements have risen on the gk to play as more of a sweeper, the US keepers have done a lot worse. Athlete - stop ball going in was simple enough, but now, not so much. The multi sport thing is fine, but it also misses the point. most real development has already happened by the time you get to DA.

Anonymous said...

Not specifically calling out one position, just generalizing and was in response to 3:10 above, mostly. But, yes, welcome to track & field; swimming; etc. These athletes can do other sports quite easily a lot of times.

And, yes, GK training is very technical. But, you can get very this without DA. Many clubs have GK training that isn't DA specific (and some is). Again, it has to do with the athlete. You can't make a world class athlete in any position or sport without him/her having the biology already in place. It is all fine tuning.

And, the better GK's are one of the best athletes on the field because they are so explosive, have very good technical training, good reads down the field, good reactions (another thing that can't be inserted into an athlete without already having "it"), good instruction, and are fearless. You can't make a kid jump higher unless they have hops already. You can't make a kid taller that isn't already going to be tall. And, the DA isn't doing this, either.

Also, as far as your US keepers downgrade, pretty sure Hope Solo would disagree. Please remember, that the athlete bringing in the ball is much faster and more technical than before too. Her reaction skills, hops and ability to direct/instruct is what sets her apart.

I am saying that non-DA clubs will still do well with recruiting having multi-sport athletes.

Anonymous said...

I do not see the reasoning behind establishing a DA for the girls side. If you look at the men's side most of the influx of NT players are coming from international teams. the U17 player on the boys side who played in a WC qualifying match is of Croatian lineage and got his 10 minutes so that he is only eligible to play for the US now. The u17 girl who played in the Olympic Qualifying is a home grown player. The US boys DA is not producing NT talent based on Klinsman's tact to recruit international players with dual passports.

The age change this year is a curious one, the '99 birth year will be the most negatively impacted limiting their exposure to the true reason for playing high level soccer - College. The hopeful thought was that they would grandfather the U15 and up teams for ECNL/NPL and begin the transition with U14. It will not be the case, all teams will comply with the new birth year mandate.

Anonymous said...

I agree on your point about 99's being in precarious position next year. Can't see how any major showcase will be properly set up for them. Don't give a damn about the team results but most teams will be completely new lineups. College coaches can only cover so many games, how can we expect them to see the talent when it is completely been rearranged?

Anonymous said...

Worse than that they have to break into teams that are already set and formed the existing u17 99/98 team. Possibly minus one or two graduating 98 seniors born after August 1. So there will be one or two "openings" for as many as twelve or even possibly more August-dec 99s. Tough to make the team much less get good Playing time. Will most of these kids bounce down to the 99/98 B team in whatever form- NPL etc? Will most look for another club? the 00s are fine but the 99s horrible

Anonymous said...

Looks like U16 player from Quickstrike NY committed to Notre Dame. Posted on the NY blogs.

Anonymous said...

All the good 99s are committed to Rutgers. Oh wait, that is just the PDA c team players.

Anonymous said...

@6:31 Hahahahahaha. Agreed.

Anonymous said...

My daughter is a November '99. If she doesn't come out of this summer with an offer from one of her top 10 choices she's shafted as far as moving on to a '98 squad that is already beyond it's curb appeal. So the question is, this spring do you stay with your current team on State Cup game day or go to the ID Clinic you really want to go to?

Anonymous said...

9:06 AM

Has the Collge coach expressed an interest in recruiting your daughter? If it is a college ID clinic I reccomend going if they are only having one. The other option is to have your daughter send an email to the coach letting them know of the conflict indicating her interest in the program and providing a schedule of future events (possible upcoming cup games?)

The other thing to take into consideration is whether the current team factors high in State cups. Coaches not only look at field play but decision making and loyalty.

Anonymous said...

I think what you will see is that the top (competitive) USYS teams will stay largely unchanged, and will just jump to U18. Look at the National League berths for 2016-2017 (link). All the U16 teams slot into U18. If the teams change radically and don't maintain roster continuity, then they will lose their spots. The teams in our area are staying together and will be largely the same. There is no concerted efforts to get the 2000's to a U17 team - they will just play up on their existing team. A large reason for this is the player pool that the club(s) have. There will be the usual attrition of kids who decide not to play, or maybe a pickup or two of someone looking for greener pastures. Other than that, I expect the rosters to be largely the same. (again, this is for the teams in our area)

The ECNL and NPL teams that have a large pool of players to choose from may see heavy reorganization. Unlike the USYS teams, they have no incentive to maintain roster continuity, although some may decide to stay together to retain team chemistry. A lot depends on the area and number of players they have to pull from.

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