Wednesday, September 25, 2013

U15G - U15 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 15 girls youth soccer in Region 1.

During this transition from middle school soccer to high school soccer, teams seem to change as quickly as the players do.

Stay tuned.

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Anonymous said...

NCS-State cup finals tomorrow. YMS VS LDC. Should be a very good game. Predictions??

Anonymous said...

If I was PDA, I would have the O'Reilly girls play down for this one(as they did the last time these teams played). World Class is not that good in the U15 age group so O'Reilly should be able to manage without them. If this happens, then look for another PDA victory 3-1. Without the O'Reilly players, then World Class wins 1-0.

Anonymous said...

yms 2-0

Anonymous said...

PDA must be reading this blog, they invited B and C teams players to practice this week. Way to quiet the grumbling.....now let's see who actually gets rostered.

Anonymous said...

It might be because some players left to go to another team and they finally are using their "developed players" instead of recruiting from the outside. Good for those girls! And kudos to PDA for doing it right.

Anonymous said...

Or it might be fallout from the barrage of complaints the DOC is getting from parents.

Anonymous said...

Ldc beat them twice in the fall Pags league. (2-1,2-0) Yms is playing pretty hot right now. I say PKs

Anonymous said...

Let's be fair to PDA on this one. It's tryouts and callback time at PDA and the girls are likely going for that. This way they can offer a player the spot on the Gunners and then never allow them to play in a game. Perhaps this year it will be different, but the first experiment didn't work. Wouldn't it make sense to just do a pooled PDA tryout and allocate players based on skill, fit, and preferred geography rather than having kids tryout for 2 PDA teams.

Anonymous said...

VA State Cup action:

Annandale dominated LMVS 5-1 and Herndon defeated CSC 2-1. Sets up a showdown of two teams who originally came from small clubs and were parent-coached back in the younger days (pre-U13).

NOVA

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, what is Callback time?

You said Tryouts AND Callback time.

Anonymous said...

I believe they had their open tryouts and they are now calling back kids after the open tryouts. It is not unusual for teams to do this.

Anonymous said...

Call backs are to get a look at a player against current players. In a watered down pool of tryouts someone mY standout simply because of who thy are up against or with. By inviting them to practice you get a truer picture of where they are at. We had 2 girls join 1 practice and be sent to 2 be team. Not sure what the coaching staff saw but evidently 1 practice with the actual team was enough.

Anonymous said...

Nova get your facts straight ABGC always had a paid coach back in the days in Ashburn,Small club yes a paid coach even at U9 get your facts straight .

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Anonymous said...

Thank you, so after open tryouts if 1 player stands out they are invited to train with the team as a callback to see if they are a fit before they replace a current player? That's cool.

Anonymous said...

1-0 Yms wins pa state cup. Good job ladies

Anonymous said...

Since this is mostly a PDA site I'm curious why there are no comments regarding the 4-2 loss to WC. Not bashing PDA I think they are a great team but would like to hear from someone that was there about the game.

Anonymous said...

Tie game with 15 left. We gave up goal and then pushed to try and tie it. Lost 4-2.

Season series was aptly and both teams will be in the playoffs

Anonymous said...

@4:23
That's the way you have to play such a game. When you are down you press...sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.

Sometimes it explains why you may seen an unexpected lopsided score.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

and sometimes there are other factors, like penalty kicks, bad ref calls, etc. Scores can always go either way, and personally I've witnessed quite a few upsets. Of course, I doubt the outcome of the wc pda game was really that surprising, but still...

Anonymous said...

How did Freehold do this weekend on the heels of their state cup victory? Always pulling for the town teams and I think Freehold is one to watch...

Anonymous said...

HEY NOVA YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG DV WAS NOT THE COACH HE CAME FROM LYSC AFTER THE FALL SEASON

Anonymous said...

TR 3-2. It was 3-0 until the last 10 mins when TR was forced to play with 10 girls because one had an asthma attack and another girl became ill. It was a furious ending but TR hung on. only had 12 to start injuries/sickness.

Anonymous said...

TR played who? Freehold? IF so, nice win. TR having a lot of injuries this year. We played them 5 weeks ago and they had 2 subs. THe little engine that could. I wish them well.

Anonymous said...

Any truth to the rumor that 3 Gunners girls are going to World Class?

Anonymous said...

Nice weather predicted for FC Delco this weekend. Any thoughts?

Anonymous said...

8:20PM and 10:10 PM clearly you are a TR parent. "always pulling for the town team" "the little engine that could" come on.

Anonymous said...

@1021 very real possibility. Parents are fed up with the dilution of the gunner player pool.

Anonymous said...

YMS coming off a big win, should look good this weekend. Having an awesome season!

Anonymous said...

@ 9:22 I think Annadale will give YMS a run for their money. I saw them play in Jeff cup, and they were impressive!

Anonymous said...

It looks like gunners will be losing 6 players to other teams, 2 quit and 2 offered spots on the Atletica team...development? what a joke

But the kids that the coach trains, have guaranteed spots and minutes, whether they deserve to be on the gunners or not...another joke

Anonymous said...

YMS loses two games this weekend against ABGC and Bethesda. ABGC wins the group. PA Strikers and North Rockland win the other two groups with FC Bucks grabbing the wild card. Strikers over Bucks. ABGC over North Rockland. ABGC avenges their Premier League loss to the Strikers and takes home the Championship.

Almost certain none of this will actually happen now that it is in writing.

Anonymous said...

What they are doing at PDA is a joke. Still dangling the carrot in the south and bringing up south players to our practices that are clearly out of their league. Not sure of the logic, parents are not kept in the loop.

Anonymous said...

What do you mean by "dilution of the Gunner(sic) player pool"

Anonymous said...

I mean dilution of the talent pool. Bringing in various pride and atletica players to practice with us. None of these players has been rostered (nor will be) and it is a revolving door of players. Brings down the quality of our practices just to quiet some disgruntled parents.

Anonymous said...

One was rostered this year but never played. I do not see an issue with sending 2-3 kids to training, how does that dilute?

Anonymous said...

Are there starters leaving to go to world class? Or are they bottom of the roster who are threatened by the "dilution"

Anonymous said...

Glad your daughters were not diluted at an early age but got to play with players better than them so they could become better.

Or were they born out of the womb with a golden boot?

Anonymous said...

Gunners going to World Class are not starters. (Big surprise) World Class, it seems, is having their own personal brand of turmoil. As is every team at this time of year.

Anonymous said...

PSA U15 newly formed competitive girls team is looking for a few more players to round out the squad for the 2014/15 seasons.

This team will play in the NPL and participate in high level tournaments. Experienced, highly licensed coach.

If you are interested in a great opportunity, tryouts are Wednesday, May 21 @ 5:30 to 7:00PM, 2014 at Stuart Country Day School at 1200 Stuart Rd, Princeton, NJ



Any questions: http://www.princetonsoccer.org/home/412325.html


Anonymous said...

Quickstrike may be the surprise at Delco.
Played PA Strikers tough and took Jeff Cup second bracket. When they play well they are a good team.

Anonymous said...

"Highly licensed coach"???? That's unique. I'm sure the coach would love that description. He is highly licensed. Lmao.

Anonymous said...

Are there any nice people on this blog who don't take every opportunity to knock a team/program/child/coach/parent? Who just appreciate soccer and know there's quality in every team that is mentioned on this blog? THese kids work hard, the coaches work hard, the parents sacrifice a lot of time/money. NO team can even be mentioned without a soccer troll bashing them. I remember when this blog was informative and interesting. Now, it's a slug fest between anonymous trolls. Over it.

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Anonymous said...

Actually There is nobody emulating over seas academies. It can't happen here. Over seas academies do not have huge pools. But the bigger difference is the players and parents. I am friends with a young man who joined Real Madrids academy at age 14. Today he is in his early 20s playing professionally here. He coaches some youth soccer as we'll. to here him tell it there is zero parental involvement. You can't talk to the coach and complain or persuade. Kids come from all walks of life and there is more dirt poor kids then wealthy. The kids who are there want it. They live eat and breath soccer with nobody pushing them. It's considered the opportunity of a life time and they want it. If they aren't getting what they want they can't have mom or dad call the next club and try there. You either got it or you don't. If someone is telling you PDA emulates that it's a sales pitch. We have a country full of entitled my parents have money I deserve this brats. As a father of a couple kids I see it in my own and do my best to squash it. I have a lazy child who has talent. The coach told me he is on the fence with her because of her work ethics. Despite being 1 or 2 in scoring the last few seasons. I encouraged the coach to cut her and put her on the b squad. Make her earn it. If she turns it around pull her back up. At the end of the day it's about raising a player/child to succeed in life not just on the pitch.

Anonymous said...

@6:42
Well said. It's about decisions (the players make) not the decisions parents make to 'puppet-string' their child to success.

PDA is NOTHING like an oversees academy. A great read is Soccernomics. Amongst other things, it specifically references the difference with European Clubs and US. A Lionel Messi may never have ever been given a shot in the US because he would always be viewed as 'too small'. In Europe they will often let a player (fast, slow, skilled, lesser skilled) bake until their early 20's. In the US if you are not 'the bomb' at 14 you are cast away. Jurgen Klinssman has expressed similar sentiments.

AS YOU SAID (more or less) too many self-absorbed parents in the US. Too many kids playing at the 'top level' that do not even understand 'The Game'. That is the real difference between US and Europe.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Let's not forget training versus games. In Europe, the game is secondary to the training and the number of games are far fewer. Our focus is on watching games and seeing our kids win. The other thing that you do not see in European academies in is the money element. It's much harder to demand anything from a club that you are not paying for.

Anonymous said...

The rare kids who do understand the game must be surrounded by others who also understand the game led by a coach that understands the game to be able to achieve success. Very rare situation here in the US. Most commonly there might be one or 2 kids who get it, but the parents, kids, even the coach doesn't understand the kids' abilities (vision- technique etc). The parents take their kid elsewhere, usually for little playig time reasons, and hopefully find the rare situation that fits his/her abilities.

Here is a team with kids and a coach that get it. Chivas USA U13 pre academy (2000) team:

http://blog.3four3.com/2014/04/01/u13-possession-soccer-in-america-video/

Anonymous said...

@8:35AM
I can only agree.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

on player selection, I liked this post and thought I would share it:

definitely appreciate the importance of player ID much more than before I started reading this blog. If you don’t pick the players that can perform the roles you need your style will not be successful. Similarly when projecting players for the future and whether they can learn/adapt to playing the way you want.

From my experience at state and region ODP levels, there are two main flaws – lack of game model/philosophy and poor ability to evaluate talent. When there is no direction at all throughout the age groups in terms of how the teams should play it’s hard to pick the right players. You can’t find what you aren’t looking for. When there’s not even a general idea of how to play, it’s left to the coaches and evaluators to pick players based on how they see the game. From what I’ve seen, it’s usually the typical explosive athlete that gets picked. The reason is that kind of player ‘stands out’, which is a nice way of saying the person evaluating can’t actually understand the subtleties of the game well enough to see anything other than someone who runs hard and fast.

And that brings me to the second issue. Many can’t tell the difference between a quality player and a dumb athlete. I had someone helping evaluate at ODP tryouts this year and we had to ignore all of his notes because he was so far off in his judgment. Similarly, I was helping to evaluate at the regional level a few years ago and had to almost beg the coaches to take this one player. They eventually took a good look at him near the end of camp and about a year later he was getting called into youth national team camps and made an MLS academy. But he would have been overlooked had I not kept telling the coaches how good he was. That shouldn’t be the case.

"Until player develop programs like ODP establish some criteria for player selection on a macro level rather than allowing the coaches free reign will the situation begin to improve. Too much is left to chance by giving all coaches that much freedom in player ID. There are some solid coaches within these programs, but I feel their work is offset by the ineptitude of others. There also needs to be a lot better coach development going on to help improve the coaches, but that’s a whole different topic."

From 3four3.com

Under "matters of circumstance"

Anonymous said...

@8:44
Yes, I think that encapsulates quite a bit. I think many of us are touching on TRUE areas for improvement. Thanks for sharing

@8:39
Uh, YEAH that is 'THE GAME'
Well coached players with the confidence to make decisions, be patient in their attack, with great composure and comfort with the ball. 10 minutes in I have yet to see one of the RED players simply 'out-run' a player in blue/purple. 10 MINUTES in and fun to watch. Even if that team were to lose 1-0 (which my guess is that they don't, OMG how much happier of a parent I would be to have my player learn the game). Thank you for sharing!

DCShore

PS, the comments front he parents "Why are you standing?", "Why are you not showing?"
All comments from parents who fail to appreciate and understand what their team is playing against.

Anonymous said...

oh, and the "send it!" command is garbage too
you can't rely on that when playing a team that knows 'the game'

DCShore

Anonymous said...

sorry I have to keep commenting....all the coaching from the parents...obviously no matter how successful that blue/purple team is it is clear that their parents don't get it...

that video is everything your player/team should emulate and the parents should abandon

I'm off my soap box see you in a few days

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Thanks for posting the 3four3 website. I liked this post.

Applicable to every single level of the soccer pyramid, everywhere!
And particularly in the US, this is precisely the state of the game.

Think about it …

It’s not the ‘best players‘. It’s the best players for jungle ball (ie tactics free) soccer.
What players ‘make it’ in MLS?
Those who are among the best at 50/50 jungle ball soccer!

When it’s crunch time – when it really matters – what players are selected across the US Soccer pyramid?
Those who are among the best at 50/50 jungle ball soccer!

What coaches are considered good, or even great, across the US Soccer pyramid?
Well … those who win of course. And who generally wins most? Yep … You’ve guessed it! … those who’ve consistently gotten the best players for 50/50 random, roulette spinning, dice-rolling, jungle ball soccer!

This is not global gold standard football. Global gold standard football is a science, it’s tactical, it’s choreographed.

Anonymous said...

It is funny that as the discussion becomes more about soccer and how it is coached and played, or different formations, the blog goes pretty silent. Things light up the second you mention certain teams.

Anonymous said...

Strikers are definitely not looking for small technical players. The 3 they had are now elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

What smallish kid hasn't been told by their coach, look at Lionel Messi, "That could be you", only to have a coach never follow through and foster that child's development.

Anonymous said...

If anyone reads this blog from the MD / VA area I would like to pass on some important information. Bethesda's rising U15 ECNL team will be getting a new coach - Brent Leiba. Bethesda rotates coaches every three years and the current coach Dave Greene is at the end of that term. He has done a great job with the girls teaching them a technical possession style game. Brent coaches the women's team at Howard University and McLean's U18 ECNL team. The U18 team is in 1st place in their division and 6th place in champions league. Not all teams / clubs are going through turmoil at this time of year. We are transitioning from one great coach to another. We are already attracting great players who want to be part of this team. All is good - hope to see interested players there at the tryouts or any practice which is open to the public. Next tryout date is 5/29.

Anonymous said...

More northern VA tryout info:

Herndon United '99 will be holding tryouts on the dates listed below. United '99 are recent finalists in VA State Cup, and finished second in their first season in Region 1 Colonial League (Red Division). If you are interested, come out to the tryouts or contact coach Todd Hamlin (twhamlin@gmail.com) to see about joining us at practice or visit our website

Tryouts on the following dates:

Thursday May 29th 8:00pm – 9:30pm (HHS)
Saturday May 31st 3:00pm – 4:30pm (HHS)
Monday June 2nd 6:30pm – 8:00pm Hutchison

Locations:
HHS: Herndon High: 700 Bennett St, Herndon, VA
Hutchison: 13209 Parcher Ave, Herndon, VA (turf field)

Anonymous said...

I met someone from Georgia who told me that the Georgia Youth Soccer Association does not allow tryouts before a published date that everyone must follow. Does anyone knwo if this has ever been considered for our region. It is very disruptive for a team when teams alreay start tryouts in late March/early April and others wait until may. How is someone able to make an informed decision. I was thinking about the lack of responsibility to the kid that has paid their fees and are carded until August but then are left in hte uncomfortable situation of playing out the season whether a starter looking for more or a kid on the bottom of a higher level club.

Anonymous said...

U15 g Rising TRFC Everton official club tryouts . Thursday May 22 530-7pm.

Bea Lea Complex. Bay avenue Toms River.

trfceverton@gmail.com

Great Opportunities for great soccer!

Anonymous said...

How many tryouts is TR going to have? Are they starting to panic now?

Anonymous said...

on player selection, I liked this post and thought I would share it:

definitely appreciate the importance of player ID much more than before I started reading this blog. If you don’t pick the players that can perform the roles you need your style will not be successful. Similarly when projecting players for the future and whether they can learn/adapt to playing the way you want.

From my experience at state and region ODP levels, there are two main flaws – lack of game model/philosophy and poor ability to evaluate talent. When there is no direction at all throughout the age groups in terms of how the teams should play it’s hard to pick the right players. You can’t find what you aren’t looking for. When there’s not even a general idea of how to play, it’s left to the coaches and evaluators to pick players based on how they see the game. From what I’ve seen, it’s usually the typical explosive athlete that gets picked. The reason is that kind of player ‘stands out’, which is a nice way of saying the person evaluating can’t actually understand the subtleties of the game well enough to see anything other than someone who runs hard and fast.

And that brings me to the second issue. Many can’t tell the difference between a quality player and a dumb athlete. I had someone helping evaluate at ODP tryouts this year and we had to ignore all of his notes because he was so far off in his judgment. Similarly, I was helping to evaluate at the regional level a few years ago and had to almost beg the coaches to take this one player. They eventually took a good look at him near the end of camp and about a year later he was getting called into youth national team camps and made an MLS academy. But he would have been overlooked had I not kept telling the coaches how good he was. That shouldn’t be the case.

"Until player develop programs like ODP establish some criteria for player selection on a macro level rather than allowing the coaches free reign will the situation begin to improve. Too much is left to chance by giving all coaches that much freedom in player ID. There are some solid coaches within these programs, but I feel their work is offset by the ineptitude of others. There also needs to be a lot better coach development going on to help improve the coaches, but that’s a whole different topic."

From 3four3.com

Under "matters of circumstance"

Anonymous said...


@8:44
Yes, I think that encapsulates quite a bit. I think many of us are touching on TRUE areas for improvement. Thanks for sharing

@8:39
Uh, YEAH that is 'THE GAME'
Well coached players with the confidence to make decisions, be patient in their attack, with great composure and comfort with the ball. 10 minutes in I have yet to see one of the RED players simply 'out-run' a player in blue/purple. 10 MINUTES in and fun to watch. Even if that team were to lose 1-0 (which my guess is that they don't, OMG how much happier of a parent I would be to have my player learn the game). Thank you for sharing!

DCShore

PS, the comments front he parents "Why are you standing?", "Why are you not showing?"
All comments from parents who fail to appreciate and understand what their team is playing against.
May 20, 2014 at 8:56 AM

Anonymous said...

Thanks for posting the 3four3 website. I liked this post.

Applicable to every single level of the soccer pyramid, everywhere!
And particularly in the US, this is precisely the state of the game.

Think about it …

It’s not the ‘best players‘. It’s the best players for jungle ball (ie tactics free) soccer.
What players ‘make it’ in MLS?
Those who are among the best at 50/50 jungle ball soccer!

When it’s crunch time – when it really matters – what players are selected across the US Soccer pyramid?
Those who are among the best at 50/50 jungle ball soccer!

What coaches are considered good, or even great, across the US Soccer pyramid?
Well … those who win of course. And who generally wins most? Yep … You’ve guessed it! … those who’ve consistently gotten the best players for 50/50 random, roulette spinning, dice-rolling, jungle ball soccer!

This is not global gold standard football. Global gold standard football is a science, it’s tactical, it’s choreographed.

Anonymous said...

It is funny that as the discussion becomes more about soccer and how it is coached and played, or different formations, the blog goes pretty silent. Things light up the second you mention certain teams.

Anonymous said...

It is funny that as the discussion becomes more about soccer and how it is coached and played, or different formations, the blog goes pretty silent. Things light up the second you mention certain teams.

Anonymous said...
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Anonymous said...

Not surprised that strikers wasn't a fit for smaller technical players. Which teams are a fit for that player type?

Anonymous said...

Quick question, why are there girls that are leaving the PDA Pride team? My girls team just played against Real NJ Force and I saw a girl that looked familiar from the pride team now on the NJ Force team. If PDA boasts about having great teams, why are there girls leaving to go to other teams?

Anonymous said...

@951 girls are leaving Pride because they are fed up with the empty promises of the DOC. He favors seven players ( not even the best players) and the rest have to beg for playing time. He picked up player mid season and further rocked the boat. Oh yeah, ther is a promise of maybe attending a gunner practice!

Anonymous said...

9:35 I think your post is directly to the point of why the US can't compete in men's soccer and the world is catching or has caught up to the USWNT. Big and fast, that is US soccer. Jungle Ball is a very good description.

Anonymous said...

9:51 Where did you play the NJ Force? What team are you with? I'm not sure the Force is even playing this season. Are you sure you are not just trolling trying to create issues.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the girls on the pride are tired of traveling up and down the east coast to beat other crappy B teams. Why not. Go to another team where they completion is better?

Anonymous said...

919. These are the entire club age group tryouts.

Anonymous said...

The Real Force has been disbanded since Feb. You did not play the Force. Try again.

Anonymous said...

Herndon losses to ABGC in state cup final 4-0. Congrats to ABGC. Herndon tryout schedule posted above for any interested VA players.

Anonymous said...

The Pride are a very good South Jersey team, but it is hard to see how they improve. The coached talked for months about how competitive tryouts would be, butI have been surprised that we have not been able to attact more talent at tryouts. I haven't seen any players that will actually improve the team, and not anyone that can crack the coaches protected group.

Anonymous said...

1028 I agree that the lack of technical and tactical ability (great field vision- for example) etc are lacking at all levels in girls/women's soccer. The U14 teams that I have seen which seem to be at least trying to use small technical players effectively are the PDA gunners (successful)and Penn Fusion (not as successful, but trying). The coach has to be committed to a possession oriented game (like Chivas) to play to the technical player's strengths. These smaller players will not be winning 50-50s and need to have other technical players playing to their feet. This requires the other players to also have the technical ability to deliver a pass correctly with the right placement and pace and also the tactical sophistication to "see" the right pass.

One sign that a team is trying to play a technical oriented possession game is the GK throwing the ball from the box instead of constantly punting it.

Strikers and other teams like them have been successful with their ball winners so that 50-50s for them are more like 80-20s. Hence you don't need a player with the technical ability to play to feet. In fact it is counter to your style of play to do so when the plan of attack is to have speedsters run onto the ball. Teams like strikers also score a lot of goals from set pieces because they don't have players able to break down defenses with their dribbling or cheeky passing abilities. So their big strong players either score directly from free kicks or their ball winners win the ball in the box off free kicks and corners and are good enough to finish it.

In the collegiate game, Duke and Stanford play a relatively technical game.

Anonymous said...

coaches all talk about a technical possession game, but then they bring on kids that big and fast without a technical game. People say you can't coach speed but you also can't coach intelligence and it's hard to start tehnical training when you have the team for half a year and you haven't started building the team that way.

Anonymous said...

On the Pride, isn't that the team where the coach put the team in the 2nd tier state cup and played the Kirkwood Tournament to give the team confidence.

Anonymous said...

@9;28 yes they are, is it any wonder they cannot attract any talent at tryouts?

Anonymous said...

The coaches sometimes are not sophisticated themselves enough to appreciate what a high soccer IQ kid can bring to the table. Other times, the coach cant attract more than 1 or 2 on the team and the single high soccer IQ kid is useless unless his/her teammate is high soccer IQ enough to move correctly off the ball to receive a defense breakdown type pass. There needs to be a critical mass of players with high soccer IQ to really have the game change. Some coaches simply couldn't appreciate that kind of kid while others concede that the kid is not a fit, because he doesn't see a critical mass of players coming in to allow him to change up his game plan.

Anonymous said...

I could name 6-8 teams in the State of NJ that play a technical game, utilizing players of various physical profile but all with relatively the same soccer IQ.

I will not name these teams however because too many folks on this board will immediately point to the fact that they have a 'losing record' or 'their high level team' beat them 4-0. While that would be mostly true depending on the team, there is no comparison in the game and IQ being developed/displayed with these teams. NO comparison. Kind of like that video link posted above. That team has it together. Coach looked pretty darn calm, cool and collected as well.

Let's just say that those on this board who know 'The Game' and I these teams exist but also can acknowledge the small technical game is still capable at this age of losing to a few of the 'big,fast, strong' teams. That is not to say that some of the 'big, fast, strong teams' do not have technical ability (either amongst players, or some small part of their team game) just that they are not committed to it the way many of us are pointing out.

2-3 town teams (beyond Freehold who I have already championed) people. If you checkbook is tight, and you are not worried about water cooler bragging, I'd go watch a few games this weekend (heck with tournaments all of there state there is plenty of opportunity) and check them out. For no other reason than to see what some of us may be talking about. Not because you should 'jump ship'.

I will be visiting at least tournaments this weekend in NJ. One for family the other for the pure joy.

I encourage others to go too. BRING your player.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

DC Shore,
Would you be so kind to let us know the 6-8 teams that play a technical game because i have not seen many in the last 15 games we have played this Fall.

Thanks,

Anonymous said...

@4:54
What league do you play in?

As mentioned earlier, I am withholding names. No reason any teams need to be caught up in the nonsense that sometimes goes on here.

I have only endorsed those teams already in the mix of team names use don this site (Freehold Celtic as an example) that I do think play a technical game.

3-4 are never mentioned on this site and probably never will. But they exist.

The last I saw the PDA Gunners play (which unbelievably is about 2 years ago) they played a very good technically oriented game start to finish. Granted I did not see them play under the pressure of 'winning' because they were facing a less experienced team at the time. 2 years is a lifetime in soccer but I doubt things changed much, but I cannot rule it out.

I saw both Athletica and Pride play this season. Nice teams, good athletes and some talent, but not very impressed with the game they played. Again, these are just opinions. Most of us would have no problem with our daughters playing on these teams (minus the financial demands). it's just that the game they play is very 'typical' of a mid-higher level trained team, just with some better athletes.

NJSA plays a really nice game when they are ahead by 2 goals or more. If they are in a dogfight, they will abandon technical play (even from the start). They will play a very direct game. VERY effective (normally) at scoring goals but the reliance is on 2-3 players during these types of matches. So, in my eyes they can play a nice game when the setting allows but they are clearly not playing a technical game as a matter of practice. Winning is the primary objective. I have seen NJSA play very good technical soccer some days and near zero technical soccer others. Again though they are in the business of showing match results before development. Talent is taken from them...and they take talent away from other teams.

Ultimately though if you look at that shared link of that quarterfinal boys U13 match, there is NO DOUBT in my mind that team plays a high technical game win, lose or draw. Freehold Celtic (the 3 times I saw them play this year, 2 losses 1 win) same thing. Credit to them.

Again, I want to point out. PDA and NJSA put themselves on a pedestal (as do many of their parents, players and supporters). I think my criticisms/observations are fair. AGAIN i point out that most of us with be happy having our daughters on such teams given the organizational skills, efficiencies and overall competitiveness. They are far from garbage...FAR FROM garbage. I just have seen better technical player (repeatedly) quite a few 'lower ranked' teams.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

At the highest level in NJ, the Gunners are the only team that play a very disciplined soccer game. On the other side of the river, I have seen YMS a few times this year and I think they are becoming a very impressive team. Ihave seen a lot of games and I think there are few that get out of their tying to play a disciplined technical game when they find themselves in tough games. Freehold as overachieved because they play good soccer, but I think you'll be hard pressed to find many town teams playing good soccer. I have seen Copa play both ways so I don't see them as consistent, PDA Pride and Athletica try to play technically but it falls apart because they don't have the players. I haven't seen the Stallions and I have heard mixed things on their play. The Mass. teams NEFC and FC Stars play some of the best soccer in the region. NEFC doesn't get as much credit because they don't have an ECNL team. I too would like to know what teams you are talking about DC because I don't belive there are 10 of which you speak. maybe 2 or 3.

Anonymous said...

The skepticism is warranted.
I just ask how many of you watch games that are at different levels than the one your child may be playing at?

I'm a soccer rat that spends no time at home and barely sees his children on weekends. I regularly check out matches out-of-town and even out-of-state. I am even lucky enough to have family in PA playing at this same age on a PA team whose name I shall not mention. So I get to see a lot of PA soccer too.

None of this makes me an authority. But like most I have no problem sharing my opinions and providing perspective on them

How many of you are going to a tournament this weekend your child is not playing in? Have you ever even popped in a 'club' tournament just for the sake of seeing what other teams, even 'lower level' teams are doing. If I have seen 10% of the teams play in the are that is a lot. Who can tell me they have seen more?

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Enjoying the actual soccer discussion on this site (for a change). I have a question regarding the "soccer IQ" (i.e., Chivas) v. "jungle ball" approach -- if you have a daughter whose game is better suited to the "soccer IQ" game, what college programs (besides Duke and Stanford (cited above)) and/or coaches attempt to play the soccer IQ game at the collegiate level?

Anonymous said...

DC Shore

You are right about the number of games people watch out of their own family, but without your depth of knowledge we are shooting in the dark guessing which teams to go watch on a given weekend.

Anonymous said...

Fair request but i see no reason to add names to the dart board. Especially as i am not connected with the teams.

That said, the enjoyment should be in 'discovering' all that is out there. As every coach learns "steal as much as you can" from watxhing different coaches, teams, players (ok poaching players is in poor taste).

And lets just go reasonable consensus that only three teams play the described soccer we are talking about. The real question is not 'who?' these teams are but 'why?' are there not more. Why, after all the training, traveling, tournaments and yes, 'winning', do we still have players who have below average soccer IQ's? After tens of thousands of dollars in an effort to learn the game?

DCShore

Anonymous said...

624 because not enough coaches have signed up for 3four3.com coaching services...

Anonymous said...

If you want to see a technical team this weekend, go to Delco and watch Bethesda. We played them at Jeff Cup and won on two set piece goals but their ability to hold the ball and play at an extremely fast pace is something to watch. Not the biggest kids but almost all are very technical. Doubt they beat YMS or ABGC because they lose the physicality battle but they will definitely play the prettier soccer. Have not checked the schedule/field location but if they play on turf, they will have a chance.

Anonymous said...

First and second brackets are at Hempfield high school turf fields. One is a big football field.

Anonymous said...

Was anyone invited to the PDA College showcase this weekend?

Anonymous said...

We were

Anonymous said...

Saw in a previous comment that somone said Nj Force disbanded, why? Did girls leave to go elsewhere?

Anonymous said...

They didn't have enough players, manager didn't give a whoot, talent continued to plunge, and who would want to play with those parents on the sideline.

Anonymous said...

Real Force had some really good players, where did everyone go?

Anonymous said...

Real Force had some really good players, where did everyone go?

Anonymous said...

Few girls PDA South, couple NJSA04, couple Barrons, the rest scattered.

Anonymous said...

Any predictions for both brackets at PDA Showcase this weekend? Any teams to watch?

Anonymous said...

Not Pride nor Atletica.

Anonymous said...

Not sure if Gunners will take the top prize this time!

Anonymous said...

Gunners may take top bracket but I fee NJSA will take second bracket.

Anonymous said...

Big News in VA .John Harkes yes that John Harkes will be coaching McLean ECNL rising U15 next Fall . The old team Chantilly Elite will be joining forces with Mclean ECNL .

Anonymous said...

PDA is a showcase, so they won't be crowning any champions. It's just three games.

Anonymous said...

There are plenty of truly competitive soccer tournaments this weekend featuring good match ups. Who cares about the orchestrated Pda "showcase"? Will college coaches be handing out full rides to the U14s?

Anonymous said...

Combining the best players from Chantilly Elite with those from McLean will create a very nice team. Might even entice a few ABGC girls to join - and not go to FC VA. John and his wife are very good coaches should be fun to watch. Great addition for McLean especially after there loss of Brent Leiba. Another sign that ECNL is attracting the cream of the crop with respect to players and coaches.

Anonymous said...

I agree this news from VA joining the news that Manhattan SC is merging with World Class and the best kids from NEFC are moving to Mass ECNL virtually signs the death warrant for USYSA programming. Already there were B teams in the region 1 premier league. next year will be clearly second tier.

The scale has now clearly tipped and expect USYSA to crash and become the organization governing rec and town travel. All top level programming will be US Club. Best YMS kids to Bucks. Soon to see match Fit improve as those kids who cant get into PDA leave their NJ teams. Anyone predict Strikers to become Continental ECNL in the Chantilly/McLean model?

Aside: Bethesda will have real competition now from VA

Anonymous said...

The PDA "Showcase" is funny because you have World Class and FC Stars there and PDA is not playing either, instead they are playing teams with and average history. The Ohio team lost to Penn Fussion 2-0 and we know how their ECNL team is going, They play FC Virginia who lost to Continental, NJ Rush Grey, SJ Barons, and East Meadow who if the ECNL had relegation they would be the poster child losing to the PDA Pride, QUickstrike and FC Stars ECNL 8-0, they also lost to Atletica and and FC Stars NPL. If that is not guaranteeing your club blowout games I don't know what is. Why is that even fun and fair for the Gunners team. It looks like they gave the Pride a few easier games as well certainly with East Meadow, the Breakers are not terrific, and the Bulldogs should be a good game

Anonymous said...

The demise of USYSA programming in New England;
http://www.usclubsoccer.org/2014/05/22/us-club-soccer-welcomes-new-england-premiership/

The top clubs will not be allowed to register for state cups, region 1 premier league, and national league.

League hierarchy-

ECNL A, NPL B, Region 1 C

Anonymous said...

8:08,

Totally agree. As a local parent I can't wait for our regional games. A lot of the girls know each other (at least have played against each other) a number of times over the years. It's like a Redskin vs Eagles or Giants game. The girls / coaches really seem to get up for those games. Looks like FC VA getting ABGC and McLean getting Chan Elite, consolidates NOVA talent onto two teams. MD United announced that Harry Canellakis from McDonogh HS will be taking over the rising U15's. I wonder if that is enough to keep those girls there especially considering their last place finish in an average division...

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Anonymous said...

8:08
Strikers will never join anyone. DS does things his way. Giving someone else input or control is out of the question. Also it's free. Continental is not about to have 1 free team. This is not a "club". It's 1 guy putting his rescources into 1 team. No rules or by laws.

Anonymous said...

Continental will refuse money? Hardly
FC Delco's model was exactly this. Take a whole team and put a fc delco jersey on them. Continental will do what it needs to do to make its teams to be competitive. DS already having to deal with the fact that unlike his previous teams not all the best players are flocking to him. They have a great defense, but the best offensive players seem to be elsewhere...
Put the ECNL label on a free model and all of sudden, Strikers might have an offense.

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Anonymous said...

The pda showcase is a joke, no true competition at all for any of the PDA teams, I guess after poor showings all season and no one coming to tryouts, the girls need a confidence boost.

Anonymous said...

@8:57 - I don't think they will be consolidating the talent. FCV/ABGC will have an ECNL team and an NPL team, and *IF* (a big if) CSC Elite goes to McLean, they will probably end up with one ECNL team and the other team in CCL. Four teams juggle the rosters and remain four teams. There's still a fair amount of talent left at LMVS & HYS, and even VYS.

I think the biggest fallout will be what's left in State Cup. Between the Richmond merger and moving to ECNL/NPL, and the latest movement rumors, unless the teams can find some creative way to maintain a USYS roster, the VA State Cup pool will be quite different. This year the top 4 finishers were all ranked very highly (in various systems) but that could change drastically next season's State Cup.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

Look for Mclean and FCV to try and field State Cup teams. FCV's U13 won it two years ago. They brought in another team and (unranked) won it again without many of the Pre-ECNL players from the previous team.

Anonymous said...

NOVA,

I agree with what you are saying but State Cup is already diluted drastically, at least in MD. FC Frederick won it this year (U14) beating MD United's "B" team in final. FC Frederick is a step below LMVS talent wise, and LMVS just lost to ABGC 5-1? The best teams in MD don't even compete in State Cup after U13. ECNL teams are concentrating on player development, not State Cup. "If" what is mentioned above does become reality both McLean and FC VA will have very good ECNL teams and average CCL or NPL teams...

Anonymous said...

@11:29(1) - McLean has the USYS rosters to stach their ECNL players, so they will have no problem. McLean Green currently has 10 of the ECNL players on its roster (not that it did any good in State Cup this year). FCV might have trouble rostering their ECNL girls because they have no USYS teams to speak of. They would need to gut Ashburn's Div 3 team and load it with the ECNL/NPL players. Likewise with Annandale, unless they continue to dual roster their girls on the CCL team (assuming they go NPL/ECNL).

@11:29(2) - I agree on most of what you said. MD State Cup was very watered down. I think two of the top teams in MD are Bethesda ECNL and SAC. MUFC ECNL used to be good when it was Freestate North Red, I don't know what happened to them.

I think at this age group U14 State Cup in VA was still very strong. They had Annandale, HYS, CSC, LMVS, and Kickers. The only two teams missing were FCV & McLean ECNL. FCV is nowhere near the top 6-8, and McLean had a large chunk of their ECNL girls on McLean Geen and they lost in the first round.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

@11:29(2) - Forgot to mention, that even though LMVS got hammered in the semis, they are still a very good team. They just didn't show up that day. I saw the entire game and they were a step slow, and just not into it. After they got 2 or 3 goals down, they just gave up. Annandale was like a shark with blood in the water. When they sens a bit of a letdown, they go for the kill. Very technical, strong, and direct. They sustained a very high pace and high level of pressure the entire game.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

NOVA a question for you, maybe you can answer. How many of those (10) McLean Green ECNL rostered girls played in games for the ECNL team, vs other ECNL teams?

Bethesda I know rosters ECNL girls on their B team but they never play in ECNL games. Plus the current ECNL players on the Real team never play on the B team. Even in state cup. Just curious if you know, I don't know what MD United does.

The old Freestate North team is the current MD United ECNL team (at least most of them). Its the old SAC team that Harry took and formed Freestate North with.

Anonymous said...

Gunners parents, it would be good to get your thoughts on the Showcase Brackets. I know you play World Class and FC Stars in the ECNL, but it looks like the put you up against some teams where we will probably see 5-0 type games. It seems like the Ohio and Virginia team will be like playing East Meadow going by their Got Soccer History, the Virgina seems based on Got Soccer and ECNL history to be completely overmatched in the top bracket.

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Anonymous said...

@12:11 - They have all played in their ECNL League games. I can't say how much time they get, but I've seen the Green team play a few times in the past 2 seasons and if the ECNL team is not traveling, a fair number of their ECNL starters will play for Green. There were some girls that didn't play as much in the ECNL games (at least last season), but through two seasons they have played in more than a handful of ECNL games.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

Yes - PDA is a SHOWcase - and PDA has it set up so that their girls will show well. World Class and Stars are going to show well also. Not so sure about Ohio, Virginia or Manhattan. They look like sacrificial lambs. And YES, college coaches will be there watching. Guaranteed.

Anonymous said...

Admin

just for the record the two names I posted 12:48 are marvel comic book characters that are also NOVA.



Anonymous said...

@1:57 - In my case, the NOVA refers to "Northern Virginia", so the answer to your original question would be "neither".

NOVA

Anonymous said...

Nova-
Have you ever watched the NVSC u15 team? Your thoughts?

Anonymous said...

6 Mclean ECNL players playing with Harkes this weekend at FC Delco heard that 4 of them were former ABGC Premier players from last year .

Anonymous said...

only allowed 5 guests at delco...

Anonymous said...

I doubt it since the limit allowed is 5.

Anonymous said...

Did PDA really just schedule the Gunners in the top bracket against teams ranked approx #500 and #400 in the country? Really? Why not just play the Pride.

Anonymous said...

The absurdity of the PDA bracket is that they could have played WC and FC Stars, teams that they know will be competitive matchups.

Anonymous said...

Duh, they don't want it competitive! They want their girls to stand out beating lower level teams 5to 0. Colleges coaches will be so impressed. And Pride will have to drive far yet again to beat up on lesser teams.

Anonymous said...

I don't thinkthe Pride are good enough to beat up on any team in their bracket except mayber East Meadow.

Anonymous said...

@3:11 - You mean the team that used to be PWSI Courage '98 and moved to NVSC? No, I haven't seen them, just read about them.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

Anybody in South Jersey affected by this: http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/pinelands-commission-to-tuckahoe-turf-stop-hosting-soccer-tourneys/article_8624d7c4-d6ed-11e3-890b-0019bb2963f4.html

NOVA

Anonymous said...

So you think games were purposely scheduled in order to impress college coaches? You people cannot be that ignorant, or can you?
Do you really think a coach cares about the score of a game when evaluating talent? Do you think a coach doesn't take into consideration the competition when evaluating talent? Bottom line is you look for a skill set that can translate to the next level.
Granted, you get to see different things when athletes are under pressure, but this is U14, not 15 or 16. You people have brought your hate and bitterness to desperate levels to think that pda has purposely avoided certain teams in order to look good to college coaches. smh

Anonymous said...

7:38 I don't think this is hate at all. I think people were joking about the coaches because very few if any will be watching 8th graders. I think what people do not like and you can see by the teams the Gunners are playing is that the schedulers set up a bracket with very little competition for the Gunners. The records are publically available for anyone to see. PDA could have had the Gunners play WC and FC Stars, instead they give mediocre competition. Look at my post from 8:17 AM not hate, all factual. I will restate. The Gunners, one of the if not the best team in the country is playing to a team that lost COntinental FC, NJ Rush Grey in the 3rd bracket of the Jeff Cup, SJ Barons, and East Meadow. Outside of maybe Manhattan Santos, please explain why that Bracket is a top tournament bracket?

Anonymous said...

Not allowing the kids to play on the turf farm is a disgrace!! The best fields hands down, grass or turf, my daughter has every played on. Just another example of a group on NJ politicians running amuck!!! Someone didn't get their share of the revenues. It's good for the kids, good for the town and good for NJ. As the Bad News Bears once said "Let them play!!!"

Anonymous said...

@11:48 FCV is nowhere near the top 6-8, and McLean had a large chunk of their ECNL

The fact is that Mclean beat Annandale head to head and FCV tied Mclean 1-1 and lost 1-0 (just like Annandale). Head to head, against Region 1 teams, similiar results to some of the colonial league teams that were common opponents.

I think people overlook most of Mclean and FCV's roster came from top teams in the state (Annandale, Springfield, Vienna, HYS before it moved, Mclean).

These are D1 players, on a team team, being asked to play a style and different formations (even in the same game) than none of the teams listed in the VA State Cup are being asked to play and against teams that are far faster, bigger, more physical, and more technical than the teams listed.

What is more important, playing soccer like it should be played or winning at U14?

Take players off any of the final four, put them in a similar environment, with demands being placed on these players, and my guess is any combination from those teams would have similar results with the demands being placed on the ECNL teams.

The problem in NOVA is that we can't ask girls to play soccer from U9 to U14, then leave their teams to another team with a different style, expect them to play a killer schedule, and not expect that it will take at least a year to 18 months of adjustment.

That is why FCV and Mclean now bringing in kids at an earlier age to build team chemistry and experience in the style of play demanded to win soccer at a high level.

But no where near the top 6 to 8, outside the 5 listed who is next Beach FC, Vienna, Loudoun Red, FASA. Most of the best players from last year's Vienna went to both ECNL teams....the rest of teams don't play the schedule demanded of the two ECNL teams and are slower.

Without constant pressure, the ECNL teams can score. They have not figured out how to score facing constant, quick pressure with big, physical back lines.

Mclean is probably in the top 4. FC Virginia probably 4 to 8.

Anonymous said...



The blog is a few days behind, The Pinelands Commission gave in for now and will allow a "limited number" of soccer activities

Anonymous said...

And to support that comment, look at Mclean. They took most of the key starters off last year's ABGC. They have had more success than FCV. But they have struggled in the Spring.

They are being asked to play with new teammates, for some a new style of play, and against strong team.

Take 4 players from each of the top 4. Form 4 teams. Put them in the top brackets of tournaments and with an ECNL schedule and showcases. They will be asked to play different positions, different teammates, than they have played before. They will not be allowed to just go direct (so 50% of the players have never played indirect).

My guess is 1/4 of the team will continue to play direct, 1/4 will play indirect and turnover the ball most of the time because they were never trained to pass against constant pressure, 1/4 will not be ECNL capable, and 1/4 will be able to handle it day one.

Result, adjustment period of 1 to 2 years with less than stellar results.

Welcome to NOVA ECNL teams. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

And Mclean had 14 healthy bodies, out of a roster of 24, for most of the Spring. FC Virginia can barely field a full roster because they have 1/3 of the team as walking wounded. I know Annandale has a bunch of walking wounded. Don't know about Harkes. One thing to consider HYS and LMVSC parents, play the more physical style of teams and take 1/4 to 1/3 of your roster out of the equation because they are going to be hurt any given weekend as you step up in competition. Hopefully you don't lose a key defender or attacker or have to pull in guest players.

Anonymous said...

Mclean ECNL beat State Cup Champ Annandale 1-0 and FC Virginia ECNL scrimmaged State Cup Runner Up Herndon and it was a 1-1 tie (and both played a common Colonial League opponent and lost by same goal differential).

Anonymous said...

@738 Calm down Gunner dad, your Mia will shine tomorrow when all the college coaches cheer for her numerous goals!

Anonymous said...

Well while PDA is "showcasing" 8th graders, the rest of us will be participating in challenging, fun, and competitive tournaments!

Anonymous said...

I hear birds chirping when we ask a PDA to comment on why it is good for PDA to set up the competition the way they did in the first bracket. They call people haters, but it would be great just to get an honest assessment of whether their club did what is in the best interest of their team or the best interest in their club. It seems they are more interested in saying look at us we won every game. They have been doing that a quite a bit on twitter recently. Is it really good for development to play non-competitive games.

Anonymous said...

Is there really anything positive a PDA parent could say at this point? Nothing that would justify the pricetag for being a team member.

Anonymous said...

@8:52 - "I think people overlook most of Mclean and FCV's roster came from top teams in the state (Annandale, Springfield, Vienna, HYS before it moved, Mclean)."

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. Annandale picked up some girls and is still very good. The Springfield girls had already moved to Annandale before leaving for McLean. HYS only lost one, and they are a much better team now than they were a year ago after picking up a few from Springfield (who dissolved). I think there are still 4 or 5 very good teams left aside from the ECNL teams: ABGC, HYS, CSC, LMVS, and Kickers. VYS is struggling after losing 4 to McLean. As I mentioned earlier, FCV might get there, but they need time.

Players are being asked to play different positions all the time on many teams. I'm not sure why this would affect McLean's roster any more so than any other team. And learning new formations? Other teams do that as well (at least the good ones do). What's important is to look at how they play, not the scores. Can they break pressure, do the use the entire field, do they pass or tend to dribble, etc. If a player is a good technical player, they can play in any number of positions and formations. It might take a little time for the entire team to learn a new formation, but not more than a few months. Certainly not a couple of years. If these kids represent the top talent in the area, then they should be able to pick up stuff pretty quickly. You think playing multiple formations in a single game is unique to McLean? Hardly. That's not uncommon tactics for technical teams that know how to play soccer properly, or for teams that are learning.

My opinions are based on watching the teams play, not looking at results or records. And to claim that the ECNL schedule is a "killer schedule"? Sure, there's some good teams but there's a bunch of teams that aren't: NC Fusion, Richmond Strikers, VA Rush, MUFC. It's no different than most other leagues - There's some good teams and some not-so-good teams.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

The over/under on the Gunners goal differential this weekend is set at 12. The over/under on the number of Goals scored combined by the Pride and Atletica is set at 3.

Any takers?

Anonymous said...

Mclean not the only one who has players from those teams. It is not just ECNL games, Mclean and FCV have played in higher brackets at tournaments than any team in VA other than Annandale and Harkes.

Always nice to see people who never watched a league game trash ECNL based on a couple teams and ignore State Cup champs, Regional finalists, and tournament schedules that also comprise the schedule.

How about this - PDA, FC Stars, World class, North Rockland, Charlotte, Piedmont Triad, FC Bucks, Carmel, Bethesda - Annandale plays that type of schedule. Not sure the rest of the teams in Virginia have even faced that level of competition (let alone) had success.

Always love the subjective nature of soccer, ignore stats and results, make it a subjective decision. But it really isn't subjective since it sounds like you have a kid on one of the USYS teams - it is a biased decision and anyone who has a kid on the ECNL teams would have bias the other way.

But one thing that is pretty black and white, the ECNL teams have faced much stiffer competition than any team in VA - other than Annandale (and maybe Harkes)

Anonymous said...

Sorry not a gunner dad, just someone who has some common sense. When people talk about trying to fool college coaches by setting up a schedule a certain way, you're basically saying that college coaches have no idea how to judge talent.
As for the chirping bird dude, your answer is obvious. In any tournament in any sport, if teams within your division are also participating, the common practice is to not schedule games against teams that are in your division. You play them twice a year every year. Play someone you haven't seen before. Again a very common approach that the haters close their eyes to because it is pda. The Gunners are ducking competition. Lol.
How about an opportunity to get some other players increased minutes that they maybe did not get in certain league games. Isn't there value in getting more minutes for more players when the opportunity presents itself? Maybe this is the opportunity. I'm sure you fail to see any developmental value there.

Anonymous said...

If these kids represent the top talent in the area, then they should be able to pick up stuff pretty quickly.

I'm sure you team would give its right arm to have most of Mclean's starting lineup.....and we didn't far well against Charlotte, CASL, Bethesda, FC Stars, etc. Keep living in the fantasy that ECNL is WAGS Division 1.

Anonymous said...

MUFC....didn't they win WAGS Division 1 a last year as Freestate North. So the WAGS champion is a not a strong team....sounds like we have common ground.

Anonymous said...

I think part of the problem is some USYS teams use GotSoccer like it the AP poll. Not many ECNL teams on there. The problem is that many of the former State Cup and Regional champs (Charlotte, Carmel, Michigan Hawks, FC Stars, Bethesda) moved to ECNL and GotSoccer really isn't that important since those teams focus on USYS and ECNL events. Looking at Got Soccer, Worldclass, PDA, FC Stars, Charlotte are not on there.

So I looked at the NY State Cup East Championship. Worldclass defeated current GS #1 Santos.

Well it looks like Worldclass is National #1

https://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/team.aspx?TeamID=235644

And Santos is National #1

https://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/team.aspx?teamid=166093

Looking at the search, it appears all the ECNL teams have been pulled out.

So those who reference GotSoccer points for comparison, it appears flawed (and biased)

Anonymous said...

Oh we get it now. The showcase will feature the girls that do not play that many minutes in regular season. I cnnot type for laughing!!

Anonymous said...

I am taking me ball and going home !!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Amigo

Anonymous said...

Is it true that the DOC of PDA south actually emailed past players and players on other teams to invite them to tryouts last week?? Was the tryout turnout that bad?

Anonymous said...

@11:48 - My kid's team is happy with the roster that they have. Nothing against McLean (or any other team), I know they have some talented kids. I'm not saying they don't. Who compared ECNL to WAGS? The one objection I have is that some people think that simply putting "ECNL" at the end of your team's name makes them the holy grail of soccer teams. Not so. There are many exceptional teams in the ECNL, but there are just as many run-of-the mill teams. To imply that the bottom tier ECNL teams are better than the top teams in any other league, now that's someone who's living in a fantasy world.

@11:52 - If you think the MUFC roster is the same as when they were Freestate North, you're fooling yourself.

@12:03 - Anyone who uses GotSoccer to judge a team's strength is either naive, or just plain ignorant. Like I've said many times, I judge a team by watching them play over the course of multiple games, not by their record, or their stats, or by some scrimmage they had against some other team.

NOVA

Anonymous said...

MUFC roster is pretty close

Freestate North

http://www.freestatesoccer.org/Teams2007/FreestateNorth99G/index_E.html

MUFC

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/teams/62561624/38337500-62562500/TEAM.html

They probably picked up some players from other Maryland teams to try and strengthen the team. But the roster has most of the players from Freestate with only 4-5 not on the roster.

No on said bottom ECNL teams are better. The statement was Mclean and FCV played a "killer" schedule and four bottom teams were used to say it wasn't, while completely ignoring tournament brackets.

Anonymous said...

NOVA

If you are happy with the roster at HYS, why post the tryout schedule on here - a board frequented by parents from ECNL and top USYS teams? You want to get better. Look it is understandable. You lost to Annandale 4-0. You want to progress higher than Colonial League. Nice win over Harkes. We salute that accomplishment.

But your coach try to recruit several of the Mclean players before they moved to that club.

Mclean has talent, look how we fared. We have a midfield and attackers that most teams in Virginia would covet. We've had trouble scoring (lately) in ECNL games. Still beat Annandale. Something you have yet to do.

Good night. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

Enjoy the weekend of soccer!

DCShore

Anonymous said...

12:03 poster, go do your research. Gunners is #1 in NJ on Gotsoccer. How do you think they got there? Ecnl points and points from so-called ecnl brackets at tournaments. So the argument that ecnl clubs don't play for points, Was Created BY ECNL Parebts a To Look Good When Their Teams Fail to Win (which happens to everyone it's just no one else cries about it).

Anonymous said...

So I did my research and your point doesn't make sense about the Gunners. Teams that chase GS points play a lot of tournaments and not alway. In the last year, nearly all of PDAs points came from 3 tournaments, The PDA Spring Kickoff, the Jeff Cup, and a Hammonton tournament last year. That is hardly playing for GS points, Compare that to Toms RIver where they played 7+ tournaments and in a Got Soccer Points league. I do not think playing in your own clubs tournament in the top bracket and in the Jeff Cup qualifies as chasing points. If they played 7 Got Soccer Tournaments, they'd be sitting at more like 40,000 points.

Anonymous said...

1205
Completely expected ignorant reply.
Yes, that is what was posted. The games will "feature" girls that don't play as many minutes in some games.
Have a clue.

Anonymous said...

9:05 is correct. Players contact coaches and say this is our schedule. Coaches go watch them play. Everyone gets playing time. That's why it's called a "showcase " instead of a "tournament."

Did any club or coach offer their players advice on how to deal with the nervousness and stress of playing in front of college coaches?

Anonymous said...

For the U-14s, PDA is not calling it a Showcase but an Invitational. Let's be real though, very few if any coaches will be watching the 8th graders.

Anonymous said...

I saw Syracuse, Penn State and BC at a minimum so far.

Anonymous said...

Syracuse coach sitting in the middle of the two teams for the Worldclass/FC Virginia game

Anonymous said...

Saw several coaches at u14 Delco. I guess they didn't get the memo it's not a showcase. There is not an older girls team within 25 miles. So they wanted to watch u14???

Anonymous said...

Delco is a tournament according to their own page. They never claimed they were a showcase like PDA.
Players notify coaches where they are playing and coaches go to see them. If you want to brag about colleges like Felician and PSU-Altoona watching players there go right ahead. You probably have lower level assistant D1 coaches and D2/D3 head coaches watching your kid. Hofstra and Rider is there. Who else of note?

Sounds like someone is upset their kid is in Philly than
Zarepath.

Anonymous said...

Coaches at FC Delco
http://events.gotsport.com/events/collegecoaches.aspx?EventID=35682

Anonymous said...

Not an impressive list

Anonymous said...

Mixed bag of soccer yesterday. Crazy to think how many tournaments are taking place this weekend.

For those who played late 70's and early 80's, remember back when you always did those 1 or 2 tournaments purely because there were no other options? Stuff like the Jackson VIC tournament or the tournament that was held in Scotch Plains years ago. I cannot remember the name...if it even had one. (very Jersey-centric post, apologies in advance)

A little bit of nostalgia, and none of the nastiness for a change of pace on this board.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

How can you tell a college coach? Are they wearing school gear with a clipboard and entorage or is it just a guy standing alone wearing his favorite team jersey?

Anonymous said...

Ask PDA, they promised lots of coaches at our showcase. We can't wait for the calls and scholarship offers to come in!!!!

Anonymous said...

Ask PDA, they promised lots of coaches at our showcase. We can't wait for the calls and scholarship offers to come in!!!!

Anonymous said...

11:06

At Delco:
1. Game 1 Saturday at foot ball stadium field. Man standing by fence in matching jacket, hat and clipboard. Couldn't tell you who. Also saw 3 in stands dressed similar. They stood out. Hats , jacket and clipboard.
2. Yesterday we were back in football stadium. On the way home my daughter told me she was approached by a coach on her way to the car. He had St. Louis on his clip board , hat and jacket. He told her she played a very good game and mentioned a few things she did well. Then kept walking.
The coaches stand out because of the clip board and college gear. Plus they don't appear to fit in as family most times. Your question does make me think any creepo could get the gear and clip board and get his jollies off watching the girls. Or getting close.

Anonymous said...

Look up NCAA rules since coaches cannot address child directly until their junior year in September. You can call or email them but they cannot approach you directly.

Anonymous said...

I haven't seen much posted about the success of the VA teams at Delco this weekend. Are NJ/PA/NY people surprised about ABGC and Harkes to the final of the top bracket? VA with some success in the lower brackets as well.

And it seems there are some McLean parents up here. Why no tourney for the ECNL group this weekend?

Anonymous said...

The southern mid atlantic division will be much more competititve next year for sure. Harkes team plays some great soccer. Couple of standouts. ABGC has a few really outstanding players who drive that team's success. If your kid played in the top flight at delco and is not already rostered to an ECNL team next year, you might be missing the boat because it looks like its sailed.

Anonymous said...

Why are both teams (and coaches) trying to get into ECNL then? ABGC to FC VA and Chantilly into McLean. Have to ask yourself 9:07...

Anonymous said...

9:46 is exactly right. ECNL teams won't even be at Delco at U15 and U16, they will have ECNL games. The problem for both ABGC and Chantilly is that they will attract less and less talent going forward. ECNL is a magnet for players seriously considering playing in college and they know its a showcase league. Any team ECNL or not would falter by losing 3 or 4 of their best players, and the reality is a large number of really good players are going to ECNL teams for tryouts. ECNL teams will by in large get better not worse. Although there will will be ECNL players jumping from one ECNL team to a better one if it is geographically doable. Players and coaches all know this and it is exactly why Chantilly / Harkes and Gus/ ABGC are desperately trying to get into ECNL. They know their talent pool will quickly dry up and they ultimately will lose players.

That said congratulations to both teams on their success this weekend.

SID

Anonymous said...

Chantilly & FC Bucks a great game to watch in semi-finals. 1-1 heading into OT. Chantilly took the game in the end. Hard fought by both teams. Congrats. Some good soccer.

Anonymous said...

11:03 I would have loved to been there.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Relax 9:49. I was just asking for people's opinions about the VA teams doing well and just wondering why the McLean ECNL was not doing an event this weekend. I was not trying to start another "ECNL - Good, Bad or Overrated" debate. Not every comment is a challenge to your team or league. I am not affiliated with any of the three teams mentioned, so you don't need to fight me on this one.

Anonymous said...

ABGC beat Chantilly 5-0 in Delco final? What did Chantilly's goalie go down?

Anonymous said...

I thought NJSA Bulldogs former coach had the u15 team in the fall?

PDA Shore AMBUSH Fall U15G Try-outs
by spohner, 05/22/14 9:33 AM
PDA Shore AMBUSH Fall U15G try-outs will be held on Monday, June 2nd at a location and time TBD. Try-outs will be in the Toms River, NJ area. NEW TEAM. The team will be coached by Kristin Giotta, current Head Women's Soccer Coach at Fairleigh Dickinson University - Florham. Please contact Coach Giotta for additional information:PDAcoachKG@yahoo.com

Anonymous said...

I thought PDA Shore already finished their tryouts?

Anonymous said...

Seriously, PDA shore is calling for tryouts for a second team.

Anonymous said...

Is it a second team or did they not get enough for a team the first time around?

Anonymous said...

PDA Ambush u15g will be their E team. Wow!!!

Who would go for a team like that?

Anonymous said...

Can someone clarify if there will be one or two PDA Shore teams?

Anonymous said...

My guess, to the contrary is they got more players in than expected. Why tell those players know when they each represent $2,500 in income.
Again, soeculation on my part but also based on a Memorial Day convrrsation i had with a U12 parent choosing to rip their child from current team in order yo chase their childs, i mean their iwn unfulfilled dream. When you have to whisper it in conversation so your child does not hear, thus get ipset, you can be assured you are making the wrong decision.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

So are you saying (not sure if it's true or not) that the D1 coaches from good programs only go to ECNL events/showcases? There isn't even an ECNL program within driving distance from Syracuse. What about the 1000's of girls that are geographically disadvantaged and don't live near an ECNL program?

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