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Tuesday, May 16, 2017

U17 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 17 girls youth soccer, primarily in Region 1 but everyone is invited to share and post.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

Thank you 11:55
Btw I have a younger daughter and you guys may get a kick out of the blog posts at that age!! Immature, childish, and mostly parents living vicariously through their daughters!
U14 this past season and didn't change to adapt to BYC yet
http://youthsoccertalk.blogspot.com/2013/09/u12g-u12-girls-youth-soccer.html?commentPage=22

Anonymous said...

I happened upon one of them accidently. I think it was U15. Some of the posts were outrageous and some downright vulgar. Not necessary for Youth Soccer. Hate to say, but it seemed to be one state/local clubs therein, mostly.

I'm fairly new to this world of soccer blogging, but this one seems to be mostly informative re recruiting tips, etc. Hopefully, your younger daughter's blog improves. It's all about the kids.

Anonymous said...

National League teams announced: link

Anonymous said...

Overrated 1776 once again sneaks in

Anonymous said...

Just saw the post re 1776 team. They are U16 right for 2016-17?

So, are the previous U16 folks now moving to U17 to post re the 00's?

Anonymous said...

I don't think the blog pages have switched to BYC yet. Seems they should have August 1 but judging by posts on most pages, they have not.
I do believe 1776 is now U16, 01s.

Anonymous said...

With the age group change, it looks like the U18 bracket has a majority of the strongest teams moving up from U16 - this based off looking at National League and Regional League results from last season. Patriot FC probably the weakest team among the Region 1 teams accepted?

Anonymous said...

Some people just can't let things go- It's been over a year. Be happy with your decision. No need to take shots at others in order to make yourself feel better. Here's to good soccer at U18.

Anonymous said...

U18 National League R1 is too funny. PDA Shore? SDFC? Did they even win a game last year? A tournament? Please if this is the best Region 1 teams willing to play, maybe take less teams.

Anonymous said...

USYSA is so clearly second tier now and soon to be third tier. The u18s will limp along this year, but development may suffer when no consistent competition can be achieved. We saw the watered down competition beginning in a weak region 1 "champions" league beginning a couple years ago and now the USYSA premier "national league" is full of ECNL B teams and teams playing in third and fourth flights of tournaments. Wow. Strikers last team for sure. USYSA model of individual teams collecting talent, under a great coach, is dead

Anonymous said...

11:05 what I have noticed is that there are posts like yours on all these boards killing USYS - The place to be is or should I say was the ECNL right.

National league is #earn your spot

Option 1 - top national league teams from previous season
Option 2 - win state cup and then earn your way into the finals of the Regional Championships
Option 3 - make the semi-finals of your regional league
Option 4 - Apply for an open spot only if you played in the regional league or national league or was a final 4 team at regionals

What makes it soon to be 3rd tier? besides you.

It is a clear path for teams not in the GDA or where their club is not a member of ECNL to play at top flights - vegas, disney & NC oh those are minor events right?

The only people saying the USYS model is dead are the same people that want the top players from those teams to play for their A,B,C & D teams right it's all about the $$$$ why else would anyone kill a league they are not part of?

Anonymous said...

No one is killing USYS ... they did it to themselves.

Anonymous said...

11:45
What you say and reality are very different. Any half way decent team that applies in Region 1 can get in.
Regarding tournaments, NL is no longer part of CASL, you have your own tournament, so guess what everyone plays top flight!
Same for Disney and Vegas, they list NL as separate flights and you play your own league, not on merit but by league association. These are league games for you and nothing else. Nice try.

Anonymous said...

After JFC, Top Hat, and NEFC went ECNL, Legends , Carlsbad (LA Galaxy) and cup gold went GDA, and most compellingly- ECNL second teams present in in the "national league" don't need to say anything else regarding rank order. PDA shore? Solar Chelsea red or whatever they call the B team...seriously you argue that they put their best team in the national league?

Second tier not many believe otherwise anymore. Third tier in 2017 when GDA up and running.

Anonymous said...

Why are people so negative, just worry about your situation and be lucky that your daughter has a team to play on. Sounds like people need to kill other things to make their situation be the best. Really in less than 2 years time your child will either still playing soccer or they will not. And to think we as parents pay for this and then have to read some of this crap. I come on here to read this to see what is going on and find some really negative stuff.

Anonymous said...

@10:57 did your daugthers team not get accepted to National league, if they did not apply why would you even care who made it from where. What a joke just be glad for the girls playing, you dont have to down play teams just to do it. Remember these are all teenage girls.

Anonymous said...

Everyone who applied from region 1 got in!!

Anonymous said...

To each his (or her) own. I don't get it. Everyone has an opinion as to which is best but as long as whatever is working for your respective kid, then the rest of it doesn't really matter. Does it? ECNL is not for everbody. NPL is not for everybody. USYS is not for everybody. You have to find your fit.

I know there are some coaches (college) that want their kids to play ECNL. And, some are good with USYS. I guess that is what one needs to find out. Is the college program your kid is interesting in interested in one league or the other or both? You can usually tell by the rosters and where the kids played.

Anonymous said...

I guess it says something when USYS and NPL clubs go ECNL, though. Why do that, then? Crazy soccer world right now.

Anonymous said...

Finally saw my daughter walk off a soccer field with a smile on her face after one of her worst years playing the game. Going through last year with a terrible coach, he was degrading, standoffish and just an all around abusive individual. She had a very long season that ended with her wanting to walk away at 16. She has a few colleges interested and after some thought she decided to hang in and continue playing. Since the end of the season she has attended 2 ID camps, the first ended with an email stating that the school would like to continue the recruiting process with her, the other camp started with a nice conversation with the head coach encouring her to schedule a visit. THe second camp ended with a game in which she played to her full potential and being recognized as the player of the game. The reason I am posting this is to give perspective especially with all of the changes forced by USSF, clubs and coaches. The only one who has your daughters best interest in mind is you, the parent, you may have a good coach as well but their motivation is spread across the team (not a bad thing) and they are looking out for themseleves. It is a fine line as a parent dealing with some of these egomaniac coaches who are trying to convince everyone either with their british accents or Lower D1 pedigree that they are the gatekeepers to your daughters future, when in fact they can very well be barriers. Hopefully there are more coaches that are the opposite of who she had last year, basically do no harm.

Anonymous said...

750 what is your definition of abusive regarding soccer coaches? Did he humiliate your child? Did the coach act differently to the perceived top of the roster versus the perceived bottom of the roster? Did he disparage your child to recruiters or fail to pass on interest? I think coaches wear different faces dealing with different kids. The YNT kid has a different coach than number 17 on the roster much less number 20. Was that your experience?

Anonymous said...

9:19 AM

Are you asking as a parent, did you have a similar situation or are you a coach looking for insight

Anonymous said...

Asking as a parent, but have coached my kids at u-little which of course is a different game.

Yes I have seen coaches with multiple personalities. From the very supportive persona to the perceived top of the roster kids, to barely interacting with the bottom of the roster kids. I have seen kids hoping desperately to get into the game "warming up" for 20 minutes only to see the field for 10 minutes a half. Very little instruction or encouragement is offered to them. I have seen the starter kids coming off the field be called over for extensive instruction by coaches and the bottom roster kids get a pat on the shoulder or even no communication or acknowledgement at all. I have seen training sessions where the non starters basically stood on the sidelines while the starters spent nearly the entire practice working on set pieces. Or similarly where starters performed a drill for 20 minutes and bench players subbed in for 5.

I have also seen YNT type players play the whole game despite killing the team's chances of winning advancement games. "Top" players causing turn overs and damaging the flow and chemistry. As a corollary, it doesn't seem sometimes to matter if a bottom roster kid goes out in her 10 minutes and kills it, she isn't afforded the opportunity to have a great game with more time allowed her. Yet if she makes a mistake, even the same one as a starter has made several times, the coach reaches for the hook. It sets up a sense of hopelessness in the kid which further affects her play.

That said, I don't think those actions are really abusive. However I think they are common place across all levels of youth soccer. I have seen it even more blatantly in lower level travel with coaches egos so tied to winning. I was wondering what your child experienced that you characterize as "abusive".

Anonymous said...

August 5, 2016 at 10:12 AM

This was a higher level team. The things you mentioned sound like typical "Win at all costs" with the kids the coach has either identified as the top or has been influenced by parents. There is also a reputation factor that some kids have, maybe they made ODP at U12 because one of the club coaches was also on the ODP staff and at 12 they were bigger faster stronger, but now at 15/16 the rest of the players have caught up or past them but their reputation is still there. Eventually, with a different coach, they will be identified as the player they are and will be absorbed back into the pack. My evaluation of my daughter is based on her play away from this coach. And one explanation that someone offered (I feel it is a bit off) was that he saw the potenential in her physically but not mentall and tried to bear that out.

Behaviors of the coach that lead to him being described as abusive:
1) Did not communicate with the players then held them accountable to what he called “inconsistencies with his coaching”
2) Berating players for an injury, comments to the effect of if you go down in a game you will not be playing again. Some girls actually played injured and hid injuries from their parents
3) Now within training some might say that it is part of getting players prepared for the next level but consistently running players for a ½ hour of sprints after a 90 minute practice (usually the 3rd practice of the week
4) Spent chunks of practices humiliating players by focusing on 2-3 players and deriding them for 15-20 minutes, having the same 2 or 3 run a drill while the rest of the team stood and watched as he would yell, WRONG! RUN IT AGAIN! (my daughter was not singled out in these episodes)
5) A lot of physiological games as well, sending a starting line-up out the night before a game, warming up, then sending out a different line-up. His reason was “you need to get used to disappointment”
6) Having players “sent down” on game days or telling them, why are you here you’re not rostered for this game.
7) There were other allegations that I was not directly involved with but there was a consistency to the “rumors”

The result was the coach is no longer in his position with the team, but the club still lost players as a result.

Anonymous said...

the sad part is that most parents will stand back and allow bad behavior AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT IMPACT THEIR CHILD. In fact many silently hope it affords their kids more opportunities. As a group, soccer parents are a pretty spineless selfish bunch who are only out for themselves. If parents demanded more and acted collectively in condemning certain behaviors, we would have a much better product.

Anonymous said...

Coaches definitely have "favorites" some because of their play, some because of their parents, and some because the kid or the mom is cute... This type of behavior is found in any group with a leader. Workplace etc. I tell my kids when they complain, that they have to separate themselves from the pack so that there can be no question as to whether they should be on the field. Kind of a life lesson.

That said, sometimes its impossible to find the place that can provide the optimal venue to achieve your goals. Did you kid switch clubs after this debacle?

Anonymous said...

August 5, 2016 at 10:35 AM

Agree 100% That was apparent with this team. Basically the current team might have 3 players left from the U15 team (2014/2015). And it is due to an influx of 4-6 players last year whose parents were like the ones you described. The birth year change had an impact to player movement as well.

Anonymous said...

August 5, 2016 at 10:49 AM

Switching was a tough call especially since the coach is no longer a factor. But we talked with her and let her decide (sort of a precursor to making the college decision). Based on the offer from the club and the background of the coach she decided to tryout at other clubs, had an offer from each (which was tough to juggle as they all do the "offer expires in 48 hours". She talked with her team mates and found out who was staying and who was leaving, she did not just want to make a knee jerk reaction plus she was also looking at not playing club and just playing school because of the experience. End of the story is that enough of her team mates were either leaving or moving to the older birth year team, she found a team where the coach reached out to her and has moved on. Played in 3 tournaments over July, loves the team, training and coaches.

Anonymous said...

The age change may have benefitted your child opening up spots in his year of transition. I assume she went to an age pure 2000 team? Good luck. Hope it works out well. Sounds like you have a good sampling after this summers tournaments.

Anonymous said...

11:03 Thank you very, very much for sharing your story and exceedingly happy your daughter is happy. It's great to see an honest, informative, and non-inflammatory post.

Care to share any other info about the club or the departed coach so we know who to avoid? Is the departed coach employed elsewhere? Is this behavior typical for the club?

Save the rest of us too!!!

Anonymous said...

8/4 @ 9:01 - I have seen Patriots play. They are very good. Gave quite a few teams a scare in the states. Keep up the good work.

Anonymous said...

Hey happened to be paging through and comment at 7/30 @12:28 was removed. It discussed the PF girl having fantastic/sick ball skills. I agreed to it in the comment below. Why was this removed? She is fantastic!!!

She plays on my daughter's team and my daughter just loves her on her team. Can't wait for next season! Should be great!

Anonymous said...

3:53 PM, say what you wish but it doesn't change the fact that they're probably the weakest team among the Region 1 teams accepted.

Anonymous said...

actually they played many of the other teams in the league pretty tough. They beat beadling and others in the league so I doubt they are the weakest team but I guess they will prove that next year.

Anonymous said...

I don't have any reason to build up or tear down re Patriots/Region 1. My kid plays ECNL. I was making an observation about how I watched them play in matches. They are pretty good. And, their coach is very good. Maybe they picked up a few new girls, too. Should be interesting to watch.

Anonymous said...

Patriots are not the weakest National League from region 1. I would put them above both SDFC and PDA Shore.

Anonymous said...

I would not judge anything at this point. With all the age changes and the switching of teams with kids, who knows where everyone will be. Shake ups everywhere.

Anonymous said...

August 5, 2016 at 8:38 PM

Not looking to commit soccer suicide. Let's just say the coach has been re-allocated with oversite within the league.

Anonymous said...

Nobody cares

Have a nice season

Anonymous said...

Well somebody did care as they asked. I thought the response was spot on. Thanks for the info.

Anonymous said...

So 906, You are on this site, what topics then do interest you? Why don't you start a new and interesting thread and contribute to the discussion. You just sound like a pathetic troll with that type of comment.

Has anyone had any teams started preliminary training with the new teams? How do people feel about the new groupings? Are any older 00s lacking challenge? Are the 99s overwhelmed. How's it working out so far in these early days?

Anonymous said...

August 8, 2016 at 9:06 PM

Thats the problem, nobody cares. Look at PDA, they are sending 3 or 4 to the U17 National team, I think PF is sending one (A girl who has been on the radar for a while). The club we were with does very little in the way of building talent (something we were not fully aware of but due to location tried to make it work). I believe one more year with the right coach (actually the guy who got them to U15) they could have been a good team going into the Jr. Sr. years. But nobody cared about the team and eventually the girls. Whoever suggested the age change was just an excuse for the club to bring in new money. I think the girls cared and that was evident in how, knowing the outcome of this year with the changes they played together after the changes and teams were announced. I wish the players well and I hope that through the experience they have learned that talent and hardwork are important but you also need that extra little connection, which is true in most things in life.

Anonymous said...

But why did you stay? Not trying to be a wise guy, but just trying to understand. If it isn't what you expected, then find greener pastures. Plenty of soccer out there.

Anonymous said...

8/8 9:06 pm. I asked. I cared. It's my kind. It's my money. I want to know who to avoid. And we all appreciate honest posts. Vitriol offers nothing other than to expose you as a disgruntled, unhappy, narcissistic person.

Thanks to the OP for responding. Good luck with your DD's season and hope this year is a lot better for her.



Anonymous said...

So you would avoid a coach/program based on one sad parent's tale of woe re: her precious FiFi?

I was protecting the coach - and yes, it is honorable to do so, dishonorable to flame a coach or player by name on these boards.

"I want to know who to avoid....." is the wrong approach.

Find out where you want to BE. Stop being a lazy sports parent.

Anonymous said...

Just an FYI. My daughter attended a TopDrawer Soccer(TDS) Showcase in NJ this past Sunday. What a complete waste of time and money. Money grab ! College coaches that are advertised is a complete lie..

Anonymous said...

Ah, but she can show up on TDS as a top XI player! Some of the ones from the area last year were hilarious. Kids who won't see the field this year on age changed teams and some at the NPL level. Seriously.

Anonymous said...

I did see something a while back that was similar to rate my teacher for Club soccer, it never got off the ground. For the club level leagues you get what you expect from dad coaches and possible some HS coaches doubling at a club. But when you get to ECNL or teams where you are spending upwards of 5k-10k a year it would be good to have something other than the grape vine to help with determining the best situation for your player. An online databse of coaches might be helpful. From my perspective the SE PA South Jersey area is a very tight fraternity of coaches that take care of their own, if you look at U165-U18 at ECNL/NPL level there is a large group of local college assistant as well as head coaches that have corenered the market for club coaching, and it is a meery go round between clubs. They protect heir own. There are some good ones but the bad ones are definitley there and protected.

Anonymous said...

438 not understanding what you are saying exactly

Anonymous said...

TDS is probabaly a bigger scam then most of the clubs. They tease articles then the links take you to a sign-up for their premier service. By attending a combine you can buy your daughter a couple of stars on the TDS Ranking page.

Stick with ID camps at the colleges and showcase tournaments. If your daughter is not already talking with some coaches by now she needs to get on the radar and TDS is not the path. The college coaches know that it is a pay-for ranking system so most dont bother.

Anonymous said...

So, soccer trainers in rural PA are better than the ones plying their craft in and around the world's greatest city?

Funny.

Anonymous said...

My daughter is a 2018. She started the 2015/2016 season with not having really thought about the colleges she was interested in. She was able to get on one of the top teams in our state, that went to (for the most part) some of the better showcases. There were many college coaches in attendance. In January several schools reached out to her club team coach. In my daughter's case, the key was getting on a good team and getting exposure at better showcases. I'm only speaking to her experience. She was fortunate. She is tall and fast and very athletic, so she stands out. She was about to start reaching out to coaches in earnest when coaches started reaching out to her.

Prior to the coaches having reached out to her, I looked at several of the sites like TDS, CaptainU, etc. They looked like money grabs to me, so I did not bite.

Anonymous said...

That has been our experience as well.

Getting on a good team (doesn't even have to be a winning team) that plays high level soccer and is associated with a club that has a very good reputation and respected coaches. Clubs/teams like those will go to the events that have a good turnout of college coaches.

If you have the players, the coaches will come and watch.

Anonymous said...

113 and 136 without opening the old argument again, just curious were your daughters teams ecnl, npl or other? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

TDS is unfortunately used by colleges. They are very cognizant of their respective recruitment class's rankings. I think the biggest flaws relate to weighting early achievements very heavily when in fact the opposite should be the case. Get on the u13 ODP regional team and you are set in the top 150 for your entire career pretty much. The only accomplishment that really moves the dial is national camp. If a top drawer scout, Will Parchman, for example scouts an event and identifies a kid as a "top XI", that moves the dial a bit too. Flawed like got soccer, but still used extensively as is got soccer.

Absolutely, standing out on a team at least in the middle brackets of a national or at least regional tournament will get a tall and fast player noticed by most mid majors.

Anonymous said...

3:06 - one of your requested posters. Daughter plays ECNL. Not trying to add to that debate, either.

Anonymous said...

3:06 - the other requested poster, NPL

Anonymous said...

Wow, great job by the ECNL and PDA girls. They certainly made history! First time ever not to make a medal round .

Anonymous said...

Not sure the girls who unfortunately missed their PK's played for PDA or in the ECNL. Gotta at least get it on frame. Shame, but that is the game of soccer. Nothing guaranteed.

Anonymous said...

2:49 How many PDA players did you see playing? 1?

Anonymous said...

Heath PDA and I think Dunn Albertson. Llyod might be too old for PDA? Others?

Anonymous said...

14 played today's game. 1 PDA/6 ECNL. How is this PDA's or ECNL's fault?

Anonymous said...

Lloyd = Delran. Did not play for PDA.

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Anonymous said...

8:11 - I think you are right, but I'm not certain either. ECNL has only been around about 5 years. Fully getting off the ground with PDA as a member in 2010-2011. So, based on their age, the girls that play for US Senior WNT from PDA didn't play in the ECNL league.

I thought that was the thing with Pugh, Brian and Horan, they were the first ECNL gang. All the others were USYS/ODP.

Still a tough loss.

Anonymous said...

You can also argue when the ECNL Club was added as an ECNL Club.

Sauerbraun JB Marine
Press Slammers
Engen Slammers
Dunn Albertson
Pugh Real Colorado
Horseman Colorado Rush
Heath PDA

7 of 18 came from ECNL. How does the poster tag PDA for the loss?

Anonymous said...

ECNL was NOT a league until 2010. Do the math. Coming from Clubs that are now in ECNL doesn't mean the players were from the ECNL league. Is this too hard to grasp?

Anonymous said...

I know. Need aleve after some of these brain trusts make posts. I get it.
These are soccer clubs that participate in ECNL league, now, but didn't back when these girls played because it didn't exist. That time of the night and a weekend.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, ECNL is not a club. It's a league. NPL, league; USYS, league; ECNL, league. NWSL league; MSL, league. and so on...

Anonymous said...

MLS league not MSL - sorry

Anonymous said...

10:59 JB Marine, Slammers, Albertson, etc, are all ECNL clubs.

The previous poster wanted to know when each of those clubs were made an ECNL club. Playing one year for an ECNL club doesn't make you an ECNL product.

Anonymous said...

I tagged PDA for the loss not based on Heath, but based on pda's numerous articles that they ARE the face of ECNL and the most important member. Read the GDA articles - PDA claims it is practically the same thing as the YNT and USWNT. And ECNL is going on 7 years and advertises that most USWNT players are a product of ECNL. So if they are trying to take all the glory, then they have to take the responsibility for the bad loss

Anonymous said...

Poster is correct. Top Drawer/PDA writes about PDA almost every week, as the face of USA soccer. Remember the commercial last year during WC with the USWNT team training and PDA running alongside them?

Anonymous said...

Weren't there like 5 PDA on the Women's World Cup team? O'Reilly was one.

Anonymous said...

The real reason USA lost was that of the 18 players, only 7 of them were from current ECNL clubs. Most likely in four year that percentage will change drastically.

Anonymous said...

10:22. I wasn't going go comment on any of this but that statement is beyond laughable. Are you seriously trying to infer that they didn't win bc they didn't have enough ecnl players? Can't even comment on that statement it's just too funny.

Anonymous said...

Which WNT young players are non-ECNL?

Anonymous said...

1:21 am - in this area the top players are eventually going to go to ECNL clubs. If you're in Kansas and no where near an ECNL club, then your top players are on regional club or town teams.

Anonymous said...

RIO Players with ties to USYS

You can find information to back up any agenda you may have.

FWIW, placing the blame on anyone but the players and the current coaches is stupid.

Anonymous said...

Kansas has sporting Blue Valley. Western kansas is commutable to Colorado

Anonymous said...

US team is full of overrated players who struggle when the opponent forces them to play in front of them. US thrive on getting behind teams. They don't have a real creative central playmaker. And for the record, Lloyd is awful. EVERYTHING went right for her in the WC Final and that has probably bought her a bunch more years.

US need to develop more rounded players IF they hope to continue the dominance

Anonymous said...

Manhattan Kansas is 120 miles to Sportng Blue Valley.

From PDA there is MF, PF, FC Cont, WC, EM and Albertson within a 120 mile radius. 7 ECNL Clubs within the same 2 hours.

Anonymous said...

PDA has been tying itself to ECNL because their DOC is on the Board, but ECNL did not come into existence until 2010. Most of the players on the current NT were well into their college and/or professional careers long before ECNL came along. Are some players from PDA? Absolutely. PDA was a USYS team back in the day for girls and an academy for boys. Many (if not all) of them came through ODP programs.

The loss came down to players not making their PK's. Recall, even Messi missed his PK. Anyone going to question his greatness??? I doubt it. It happens. And, it can be fixed.

The US was trying to accomplish something NO other team has yet to do; win the Olympics after winning the WC. Not as easy as it seems, obviously as it has NEVER been done. So, still chasing that dream; all of the teams.

They'll get it together. They always do. It is clear to see that soccer around the world is improving. And with all the international players that go to college and play in the US. It was bound to happen.

Anonymous said...

We live 120 miles away from my kids ECNL clubs home field. And your point therefore is...
My point was that Kansas was not a good example. In fact Kansas City is soon going to be home to the USSF national training center. With both men's and women's professional teams many consider it a very soccer friendly and accessible state.

Anonymous said...

10:21 where do you live?

Anonymous said...

Are you in an urban area 10:21? NYC? Philly?

Anonymous said...

Of the 22 rated 2020 NJ players, only 2 are non-ECNL players. Seems to me the top NJ players are doing ECNL.

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/search/?query=&genderId=f&graduationYear=2018&regionId=0&countyId=31&positionId=0&pageNo=0&area=clubplayer&sortColumns=0&sortDirections=1

Anonymous said...

2018 NJ class not 2020.

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/search/?query=&genderId=f&graduationYear=2018&regionId=0&countyId=31&positionId=0&pageNo=0&area=clubplayer&sortColumns=0&sortDirections=1

Anonymous said...

A Bit late to the party. If you break down the game what you will see is the inability to finish (even missing a PK is evidnce to that). THe game is played from the back forward, why do you think the formations are referred to as a 4-4-2 or a 3-4-2-1. DEFENSE is king. Up until last year Abby was the target player, she had some foot skills but she was a beast in the box. Press, Loyd, and Morgan were feeders to Wambach, now they need to take on the responsibility of scoring. I have seen this in ECNL as well, there is a drop off between the team scorer and the supporting players. Add to this system the fact that the USWNT most recent coach was on the other sideline and you have a perfect scenario for breaking down the US team. I feel like we only stand-up heros so that we can tear them down at the earliest possible moment. A tough loss but not toally unfathomable.

Anonymous said...

Impossible to take TDS seriously when you look at the * ratings. TDS do almost zero research and get the rankings so out of whack that you just cannot go by anything they say.

Anonymous said...

8/14 11:06
Quickstrike in NY has 5-6 new players coming from Albany area and numerous from NJ. Many traveling 1.5-2 hrs for training. Good training will attract players. 120 miles in Kansas is an easy commute.

Anonymous said...

August 15, 2016 at 11:26 AM

Here's a crazy thing, Never did a TDS combine, never signed up and my daughter is ranked with stars by her name?? Based on what I know of reputation of other players I see more names without stars that should be ranked then players with stars who don't deserve them. There must be some scouting going on as well as evaluations from the combines. I do agree to an extent that it is a pay for beauty contest at some point. but I am still baffled that my daughter has a good ranking and we have never participated in a TDS event.

Anonymous said...

Rankings in theory have zero to do with TDS events. Supposed to be based on info from events they attend personally, and feedback from coaches,including NT staff. I call BS. Some kids rise by crazy amounts, other fall off a cliff when literally nothing has changed. Some

Anonymous said...

11:26 How do you explain the multiple starred players have already announced their commitments? If the non-ECNL players are just as good, why haven't they posted their commitments?

Anonymous said...

1126 here...where did I say non ECNL players where just as good? On fact where did I even mention non ECNL players? Or ECNL ones for that matter. I ask you this is a Full ride to FSU for soccer = to a Columbia offer? In soccer terms 100 pct No. So i ave no idea how a commitment to any school means player A is better than player B. Any 4* player should be pretty dominant in a top level league. Im not going to be specific, but .....

Anonymous said...

of the commitments listed above i dont see many ELITE soccer schools. Fine schools all, but if you are judging soccer talent by commitment, then the quality of soccer the school plays and the level of recruits they attract should be your yardstick. By that measure, can that those commitments alone would tell me who was good or not.

Anonymous said...

3:43/3:46 relax. This is just another ECNL vs non-ECNL thread started by a parent whose ECNL kid was cut and is bitter.

Anonymous said...

What is your definition of an elite soccer school? Top 25 on the coaches ranking? The second 12 are pretty variable. is ucla an elite soccer school? Not on the list this year.

Anonymous said...

How TDS determines the players' stars

https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer-articles/how-we-do-the-rankings_aid19454

Anonymous said...

The TDS system is flawed like everything else. Not perfect. It would help though if they re-evaluated the stars given to kids when they were U14. Not everyone at U16-U17 is the same ability as when they were U14. Some are better and some are not. That is why the coaches may look at this stuff, but don't rely on it fully (as we have been told). They watch for themselves.

They are not giving someone $200,000+ for college without carefully watching their play in various situations in good games and not so good (how they bounce back). Otherwise, they won't have their jobs very long. Trust the top coaches. They are successful for a reason.

Anonymous said...

@3:54 where is this list you reference? Is that the NCAA/RPI one? How is that scored? There are teams on there that were beaten by other teams in NCAA's and the teams beaten have higher rankings? Seems odd.

Anonymous said...

8:17 - I understand formations quite well. And, agree, defense is key. But when you are down to PK's; part of the game, too, you gotta get them on frame. And, the first one, while it was saved (credit the GK for that), but it didn't seem as it was struck very well. So, while we can discussed what should have happened in game play, when it comes down to PK's (for both teams), we both agree, you gotta finish. Again, easier said then done.

Anonymous said...

so 413 how many kids on that list are getting 200 k ?

Anonymous said...

354..ill go with CONSISTENTLY in the top 15.

Anonymous said...

6:12 Is that elite in soccer or elite in academics?

Anonymous said...

all these discussions can only be about soccer. we know nothing of academics. I am not debating school quality, I can't. soccer excellence is pretty clear.

Anonymous said...

Where is the coaches' ranking list that is being discussed herein? Is it the NCAA/RPI ranking?

Anonymous said...

http://www.nscaa.com/web/Rankings/web/rankings/2016/Preseason/NCAA_DI_WOMEN.aspx


http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-women/d1/ncaa-womens-soccer-rpi

Probably one or both of these.

Anonymous said...

The NSCAA list changes all the time. Remember yrs ago when MD was on it and others. In particular this year, there are going to be a lot of shifts with red shirting of players going to World Cups.

Anonymous said...

NCAA APR

http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

Anonymous said...

6:09 - not saying kids on the list are getting that. I don't know. I do, however, think the list isn't perfect and have been told so by various colleges during unofficial visits.
But, there are a few kids I know not on the list that are getting very generous scholarship offers (including that price range +/-). College in many areas is very expensive depending on the school and the location; private, west coast, etc.

Anonymous said...

I dont get your points. Mine are very simple . TDS is terrible and a list of commitments tells me very little about kids relative soccer ability. The only certainty I know is that a kid going to an elite soccer school getting major money is probably pretty good.

Anonymous said...

913 ..which is why the standard for elite is consistently in the top 15. If you are being really strict top 10 . the best competition in Womens soccer is the ACC regular season championship.

Anonymous said...

7:52 - I think the poster is reiterating your comments at least that is how I am reading it.

Anonymous said...

7:55 - i think with all the moves and all the new ECNL kids coming into college soccer, all of that is about to change. Instead of a power 5, there may be a power 8.

The ACC championship of years ago is not the ACC championship of today. There are different schools in that mix. I see different schools from other conferences in that mix as well. An exciting time for soccer.

Anonymous said...

- different schools from other conferences in the mix for elite eight/nat'l championships.

Anonymous said...

ACC regular season is harder than College cup. What FSU have done is nothing short of amazing.

Anonymous said...

is a kid better because now it says ECNL? of course not. on a relative basis nothing has changed. ACC still the conference. more depth than any other and its not even close.

Anonymous said...

ECNL is sending 8 NJ girls to the ACC via PF, PFA, MF, & WC.

How many non-ECNL NJ girls have been recruited to and will play for an ACC team? Right now? Zero. None. Nada.

Ever consider the possibility that being on an ECNL team might get players more looks from colleg (ACC) coaches?

Bash ECNL all you want but I'm not seeing the same level of recruiting from the bin-ECNL side.


Anonymous said...

ever considered that players not leagues get looks?Its self fulfilling that most higher level teams around here are now ECNL affiliated but pre ECNL NJ had similar kids recruited. My question to you would be is the ECNL any more than just a collection of high profile Clubs? What exactly is the ECNL doing to make players better? When NEFC joins ECNL, do they suddenly become 20pct better and get more looks? I think the answer is pretty obvious

Anonymous said...

It’s been a year since an ACC team won a national title, and even that feels like an extended period of time for this juggernaut of a league. In the 33-year history of the women’s NCAA tourney, ACC teams have won 25 national titles. North Carolina, it should be said, has won 21 of those, with the rest going to either Notre Dame or Florida State. And even though North Carolina has taken a step back, the Tar Heels are still dangerous and will content for national titles every year. The only difference is that their winning percentage on those games is now far lower than it used to be.

The ACC has been able to transition into the modern post-UNC dynasty era by cultivating depth uncommon to soccer. Florida State is probably the best team in women’s college soccer and is just 18 months removed from a national title. Duke, Virginia, and North Carolina are all top 10 caliber programs this year. Spice in Notre Dame, Clemson and Virginia Tech and literally half the league is in the top 25. And it would not be all that big of a surprise to see a much improved Boston College team join them a couple weeks into the season. The ACC could’ve rested on its laurels and simply turned into an intramural league for North Carolina. It did not. Instead, it has the most top class players and the most NCAA title-challenging teams of any league in the nation. Again.


No other league is close.

Anonymous said...

12:40 I said players might get more looks from college coaches if they are on an ECNL team? Don't kid yourself. The number of high level college coaches is much higher at Sanford than Disney. You see a lot more D2s, D3s and NAIAs at Disney. That's because the top D1s are recruiting ECNL and can draw higher level players. A small D1 like FDU isn't swimming in the same recruiting pools as UVA or Va Tech.

What do you get? At the early ages, training and technical skills. The Northeast is known for its technical players. At the older age groups you are playing with players at the same or higher level as your kid. Also often (but not always) playing against similar level competition. The argument is it makes your kid a better player.

NPL is trying to replicate ECNL. We have NJ NPL teams. Which NPL clubs are regularly producing ECNL-quality players and sending players to elite schools like UVA and Va Tech? Name 7 non-ECNL clubs in the same geographical region of the 7 area ECNL clubs of Alby, EM, PDA, MF, WC, PF and FC Cont. We already know these clubs regularly contribute to the elite schools.



Anonymous said...

The ECNL provides none of that. The Clubs do. Every Club and moreover every coach within a Club is allowed to do whatever he deems right. There are no standards. If you get a good one who cares, great, if not, tough. All the ECNL does is provide a tournament/ showcase platform and a bunch of splashy marketing to convince folks like you that is it better. It may attract the mid level player who wants to be seen, but do you really think that the top level player needs that? My kid was recruited because she has talent, works hard and has a great Coach. None of that has anything to do with the ECNL. The fact that her team is IN the ECNL is irrelevant. She has played for more than one ECNL coach and lets just say that without the second guy i really doubt she would be at thee level she is. Its not teh label of the league,its the environment and the people who help mold your kid 3 to 5 days a wekk that make a difference. ECNL is a very successful marketing job.

A mid level player may benefit form the ECNL simply because of the showcasing, but honestly, how often do you think a coach randomly locks in to a player that he did not come to watch? I sure it happens , but not often enough to make it a reason to spend 8k per year.

I totally disagree with your notion that the ECNL is producing the players, The ECNL is just using them to make $$$.

And btw, define Elite because as far as soccer goes I see maybe 3 or 4 elite schools. Duke VT , UVa - who else? its not like there is a pipeline of ECNL kids from our area going to these schools. If you put say QS or NJ Stallion in as non ECNl teams , i would say they have very similar commits to everyone else outside of the really elite ones.

Anonymous said...

So your kid is successful and plays for an ECNL team. Therefore you have no real idea whether she would have garnered the same success without the ECNL.

I do agree that a national team camp invite player will get seen if she plays on a non ECNL team. That national camp is a golden ticket at 14 or 15. Example: NEFC 2000 striker and GK and HBC 2001 midfielder. NEFC and HBC are non ECNL teams providing enough of a platform for kids to get to (interestingly they are all Duke) the ACC. However they were all invited to national camp before they committed. Without national camp stamp, kids are at a significant diasadvantage outside of the ECNL.

By way of further example, Strikers have no national camp kids. Where are they committed? Out of the 5 listed committs, only one is going to play in a power 5 (Tennessee) SEC. I think they have a couple 2019s so they may end up with more impressive committments, but they are one of the best teams in the region and have not displayed much success in recruiting. In fact right below them on the spreadsheet is FC Philadelphia with similar level commits.

Agree ECNL provides a huge boost for good but not great kids and launches great but not national kids into the power 5. Also agree that there may be rare, individual teams, providing a similar exposure. To say there is no advantage afforded kids in the ECNL is mistaken. Next year it will be all DA and there will be another heated discussion.

Anonymous said...

The above are opinions and conjecture. Where are the links for QS, Stallions, etc showing they regularly send players to the elite schools? Lists of players and their schools over the years? Pictures of the kids wearing their new schools clothes?



Anonymous said...

Uh yes this is a forum for discussion.
As the previous post states, there are teams providing decent exposur to its players often because of an outstanding and invested coach. The one club consistently putting players in top Power 5 schools that WAS not ECNL was NEFC. But no more. Now they are the Boston breakers ECNL team. What's that tell you? Objectively one less club outside of the ECNL to continue producing prominent committments. Speaking of Stallions, heard that Patinontook his kids and a couple of former world class wanderers there.

Anonymous said...

PF: http://www.pennfusion.org/alumni/92BOYS/index_E.html

FC Cont: 2016 http://www.continentalfc.org/College/911141.html and 2017 http://www.continentalfc.org/College/911142.html

EM: http://eastmeadowsoccer.com/CollegeCommittment/CollgeCommittment/index_E.html

Albertson: http://albertsonsoccer.com/Page.asp?n=100074&org=albertsonsoccer.com

MF: http://www.matchfitacademy.net/alumni/Girl_alum/index_E.html

PDA doesn't have an updated one but here is their 2014 class:

PDA Girls Class of 2014 Colleges and Universities:

Courtney Broson - Syracuse University
Caroline Chagares - Harvard University
Colby Ciarrocca - Vanderbilt University
Anna Conklin - University of South Carolina
Rachel Corboz - Georgetown University
Schuyler Debree - Duke University
Lauren Dimes - St. Joseph's Univeristy
Monica Flores - Universtiy of Notre Dame
Sabrina Flores - University of Notre Dame
Maried Forrest - Holy Cross College
Meghan Holtz - Bucknell University
Lauren Jankowski - University of South Carolina
Madison Kenny - Boston College
Bree Livingston - Virginia Commonwealth University
Julianne Minutillo - Villanova University
Meaghan Mulligan - University of Tennessee
Casey Murphy - Rutgers University
Courtney Norton - Rutgers University
Jessica Vigna - Syracuse University
Katelyn Walters - Rutgers University
Alex Weyrauch - Holy Cross College
Lexi Chang- Lehigh University
Melissa Chura- Trinity College
Brittany Cooper- George Washington University
Ingrid DiClemente- George Washington University
Jessica Goldman- The College of NJ
Jillian Kennedy- UPenn
Kylie Kirk- Indiana University
Katherine Lynch- Kean University
Daniella Maggio- Quinnipiac University
Kelly McWhorter- College of Charleston
Jessica Moskal-Villanova University
Victoria Pugliano-Wagner College
Rebecca Ravitz-Davidson College
Samantha Santos-Liberty college
Yota Sfondouris-The College of NJ
Paige Jacob - Marist University
Karli Sottung- Naval Academy
Drew Topor- Georgetown University
Miranda Konstantinides - Monmouth University
Rachelle Ross - Monmouth University
Courtney Norton - Rutgers University
Gina Tricocci - University of Delaware
Sarah Jackson - East Carolina
Alex Tamashunas - Belmont
Jacki Carty - Boston University
Melissa Fichtner - Francis Marion
Britanny Murray - Iona College
Evelyn Feigeles - Arcadia
Cayla Barry - Swarthmore
Maxine Turchin - Kean University


Anonymous said...

Very impressive since these are more than just the ECNL team

Anonymous said...

NJ Stallions 2016: 1 went to UVA. Not seeing any other Top 15 college teams on the list: http://www.njstallions.com/news/2015-news/nj-stallions-girls-committing-to-top-division-i---division-iii-programs

QS: 1 2017 to Fla State. The rest are 2016 and not going to Top 15. http://www.quickstrikefc.com/college-center/commitments/

HBC: Cannot find a list

TSF: No list and website is outdated but 2014 class announcement shows no elite school commitments http://www.tsfacademy.com/news/2014-feb14a.htm

SJEB: Have to go back to the '94s to find a player going to a Top 15 school http://www.sjeb.org/page/show/1227991-sjeb-alumni

FC Copa: 1 - Syracuse - from 2012 - not Top 15 but still very decent - nothing since 2012 http://leagueathletics.com/Page.asp?n=55813&org=fccopa.com

If you actually LOOK at the commits you will see a clear difference between ECNL and non-ECNL clubs.

Anonymous said...

9;14 Yes, impressive beyond the ECNL team for PDA. But compared to the non-ECNL clubs its SPECTACULAR.

The non-ECNL clubs are NOT sending players REGULARLY to elite soccer schools. They get one or two here an there but not on a consistent basis.

But at least now we know why the non-ECNL parents did not provide links. Their opinions and conjectures are false.



Anonymous said...

i fail to see al these elite soccer PDA commits. 1bc , 1 duke? what am i missing. the schools i see are selecting kids from all over.

Anonymous said...

instead of volume, All i want to see are the number of top 15 commits and I'm not interested in kids outside 2000 birth year. I bet its very similar

Anonymous said...

PDA is volume more than quality. This is about quality. ECNL are out there inviting in Clubs that are ALREADY successful and you think this is development? Its simply acquisition. The main reason they are fighting DA is because at least the DA is suggesting some sort of standards. Standards that the old boys cannot make up as they go along.

show us the top 15 commits of the local Clubs thats all i want to see. PDA teams that have 26 on a roster are clearly going to have more volume...but the quality on a pct age basis is going to be much closer than you think.

Anonymous said...

No one is regularly sending kids to elite soccer schools.

Anonymous said...

647 I love the way you tell me I have no idea about my own child. I do. ECNL made no difference at all. As far a NT goes, you are suggesting a kid who is invited to camp once has a golden ticket? what utter nonsense. Great players are well known, camp or no camp. When you say without camp, you make is sound like NT camp makes them good. Nonsense. They are at a significant advantage because they are better then the rest. Hard to accept, but true. And the top schools and coaches can see that for themselves. Stop talking Power 5. its ACC then the rest. Power 5 is a football term. No real relevance in identifying the best soccer schools. Its the mid level parent who is paying he sums who needs to justify it. My kid plays in the ECNL and there is massive variation in the Clubs and the teams within them. When a destination club like PDA has holes, they recruit. They don't coach up what they have so to compare commits is ludicrous. this whole - you need the ECNL to find you- plays well to amid level kid looking to find a home, but a Club can provide all of this outside the ECNL and the better they do it the more likely they will be absorbed into the ECNL. I do not feel the ECNL has played a big role in my kids development. She has, coaches have, but not the ECNL.

Anonymous said...

11:14 local clubs don't have lists.

Anonymous said...

11:28 Why is your kid still on an ECNL team?

Anonymous said...

11:10 then do some searching yourself and tell us what you find. Stop relying on someone else's posts.

Anonymous said...

How hard is it for you folks to cut and paste the links? Talk about lazy!!!

Anonymous said...

1158 Great coach.

Anonymous said...

914

How is that list spectacular? its a good solid list, similar to the commits NJ Stallions 2016 has.

Anonymous said...

1128 The discussion has nothing to do with the relative abilities of your child. It has everything to do with the perception of the schools toward players and the efficiencies that they gain in recruiting from certain venues. The schools' coaching staff are those who identify the players and subsequently choose to recruit them. Although there are clearly some players who are identified through non ECNL events, the vast majority of top 25 programs recruit primarily through the ECNL.

Many people seem to struggle with the concept that the ECNL provides a platform through which college coaches can easily, and relatively cheaply, evaluate players for possible inclusion in their programs. Hence they chose to spend their budget in time and money to attend these national showcase events. I am not saying that they never go to a USYSA event, only that they are more frequently using ECNL events to identify players. many coaches have been quoted stating the same.

Importantly, this concept does not include the position that ALL the best players play in the ECNL or that the ALL ECNL teams are superior to non ECNL teams. Only that the college coaches have expressed an opinion that they get more bang for their buck, by attending ECNL events and therefore it is these events on which they concentrate. Often also, however, you will see a few local kids pop up on recruiting announcements at the top programs who are cheap to see. Some coaches may still go to the USYSA national championships to spot an under the radar kid or 2 once in a while. However, these kids such as the the Sunrise, Legends and Carlsbad players are instructed to join ECNL teams as discovery players, by their future colleges to foster maximal development, and to allow the colleges to more easily track them. Again, by your writing and your difficulty with these concepts, it seems necessary to repeat myself more simply: You cannot know how successful your child would have been in the recruiting game without the ECNL- that is a fact. You can opine that the league in which she was showcased made no difference, but you cannot know.

Anonymous said...

1128 You are completely wrong. There is a golden ticket in the early YNT identification. Indeed they are all excellent players to be identified as such, but these are frequently among the very players that the college coaches lament don't work out for them. Look at the kids who are identified by ynt coaches relatively late in their youth careers. Those turning up now on U16 and 17 YNT rosters this summer, they are generally committing to lesser soccer programs than those who were included in u14-early 17 rosters, but have fallen off the USSF radar. Why is that? Because the top 10 are committing kids in their freshmen year and have been courting them since they showed up on their radar as national team kids in 8th grade or even before. Hence the early recruiting debate as a lot of changes may occur with players over the subsequent 3 years to make or break their ultimate success in college.

Regarding the ACC: "Power 5" is not only a football reference, many soccer (and other "Olympic" sport) articles frequently apply this term. Although, of interest, the power rankings put the AAC ahead of the big 12 for women's soccer last year. But several of the AAC members are applying to the big 12 expansion which is currently happening.

Indeed the ACC is the top league and I don't think that anyone would argue that a significant scholarship (most are not 100% at these schools) to Duke, UNC, UVA, FSU is a huge soccer accomplishment and for all, save FSU, a huge academic one also. Please correct me if I am wrong, but your position apparently can be described as follows: A kid who chooses, say Syracuse (pr > 100) over Penn State (PR< 10) has made a superior soccer choice because she chose a school in the ACC over one in the Big10? Of course that isn't true.

Similarly Mallory Pugh choose UCLA despite its very poor performance last year and competing in the "lowly" PAC-12; I guess she wasn't good enough for Syracuse. Otherwise the league in which the school plays is becoming increasingly irrelevant as the SEC and Big 10 and 12 dump significantly more football money into women's soccer. In fact, if the ACC didn't also field men's teams, I suspect the ACC and Big10 would be eclipsing the ACC due to superior facilities and equipment.

The ACC has indeed won 25 of the women's college cups, but UNC won 21 of those during their "wonder years". There is far more parity now among the leagues than there ever has been. Last year was a bit of an anomaly with the ACC dominating the tournaments entries, but again 2 of the four finalists were big 10 schools. Clemson used to be a lowly program, but their coach has seen consistent improvement and now they are ranked above UNC at the start of this season. Times are changing and to deem superior, a kid's success, because she is going to a bottom feeder ACC over a top Big 10, PAC-12, SEC, AAC, or Big 12 school is absurd.

The number 1 recruits at least the last 2 years have chosen other than the ACC. 2014 Katie Cousins, chose Tennessee and she's about to redshirt to play with the u20s. Pugh to UCLA and the PAC-12. Its about the individual schools within the top 8 leagues at this time that really speak to a player's relative success in the recruiting game.

Congrats to your clearly gifted child as a scholarship to any ACC school is an accomplishment with which to be very proud. However, I think that to discount other player's choices as inferior because they chose schools in other leagues is frankly incorrect and clearly narrow minded. BTW my child (rising soph) is not yet committed, but has received offers from several ACC schools. Please don't go jumping into- my kid is going to a big 10 in corn country so I am just defending her choice. She hasn't yet made a choice, but any of the power 5 leagues would provide a terrific platform for her to study and develop.

Anonymous said...

Happy Valley baby! Who won it all last year? An ACC team???

Anonymous said...

I will take Princeton or Bucknell over your power 5 any day of the week

Anonymous said...

1118 I dont get your point at all. Mine is that the ECNL is providing NOTHING other than gathering good OVERALL clubs and presenting the product- the kids in one location at great cost to the parents. The ECNL is not developing players any better than anyone else. Its coach and team specific. The ECNL has created a country club and then raised the cost of entry to this marketplace. It is a business proposition. Of course coaches go, because there are multiple players in one location and most of the better clubs are in the ECNL. The ECNL itself is providing little of value in terms of developing players.

now what exactly are you suggesting?

Anonymous said...

1119 Wrong. No one is discounting their choices. I am saying that it is impossible for anyone to judge SOCCER ability by looking at the schools committed to unless the kid is getting big $$ from one of the top top soccer schools. I have no clue how much kids are getting and I dont care. But the folks that come on here typing names of great academic schools as evidence of soccer excellence are dead wrong. All these schools are fine places to study AND play sports if thats what a kid wants, but I hate the way people try and parlay one in to the other. They are not equivalent.

Stop putting words in my mouth- Pac 12 is a top conference and UCLA is a top soccer school, no question about it-def in the top 10. My rankings are based on long term track record, not who won last year. I dont really care who the no1 recruit is because it is purely subjective. An invention of TDS.

At no point have I said ALL ACC schools are better than ALL other schools - far from it. the ACC top to bottom is the deepest conference but clearly there are better teams in College soccer.

Anonymous said...

ECNL formed as a league to gather excellent players and play against other excellent players/teams and avoid the lower level riff-raff you see at Dix. It helped gather these excellent players at a few tournaments each year around the nation to play each other. College coaches flocked to those tournaments. It served its initial purpose and was a huge success.

You can think Disney is the place to be for non-ECNL teams but remember Sanford comes first. Those attending ECNL players get first crack at the college coaches (and their money). Ever wonder why ECNL teams from all over the country go to Sanford?

Anonymous said...

148 ..you are wrong. ECNL collects solid CLubs, not excellent teams or even players. there are plenty of terrible players and teams in the ECNL. the purpose it served was to provide more revenue for the Club owners and less travel for College coaches. What purpose does it serve you, the consumer? you pay more. you travel more and thew quality of what you get in terms of coaching/ training is hugely variable. It is a myth that ECNL gets first crack...good players get first crack no matter where they play. a poor player is a poor player whether it says ECNL on the label or not.

Anonymous said...

1139 ..so because Rocky Rodriguez has a great tournament, we should send our kids there? I will go on longer term track record in picking my top 10 schools for soccer.

Anonymous said...

1:48 some ECNL clubs/teams are not as good by "our" standards but some of these clubs aren't located in an urban area and you can find an English trainer every 300 feet. Truth is those players are the best players for that area. Does your kid ever leave the Eastern seaboard to play in tournaments significantly inland? Have you ever driven 3 hours one way to a state's geographical center for ODP because that is the closest place for all of the state's top players to meet? No. Because it's easy to judge the rest of the US from your urban NJ perch and judge.
Shame on you for geographical discrimination. You clearly need to get out of the trip-state more often.

Anonymous said...

New DA

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/youth-girls/final-22-clubs-announced-for-girls-development-academy-inaugural-season/

Anonymous said...

Nice to see Tab Ramos gave his Cedar Stars the GDA. No conflict of interest there!! What a joke, but I mentioned it months ago. Also gave it to Paul Riley, FC Fury, a club that doesnt actually exist. Any thoughts of improving the US Womens program in the future have been dealt a setback.

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Anonymous said...

FC Fury became Albertson. Back in the day (USYS days), it was FC Fury. At least that is how I recall it, but all the moving pieces are somewhat confusing anymore.

Anonymous said...

My goodness. The ECNL vs. Non-ECNL debate continues. it is a winless debate. Each party believes in the league they are in; otherwise, they would not be in it. It's that simple. There is no one size fits all League. Some of it is cost, some is geographic location, some of it is the child is perfectly fine where she is playing (where ever that may be). Each League has benefits and each has detriments.

My kid was in USYS, a very good team (high ranking if you buy into GSP which I don't, but). She decided that she needed to move to ECNL. She liked the style of play of a local Club team (which was more her style than her USYS team). She liked her old team and coaches but wanted the challenge of the ECNL. So, she did; despite our pleas to rethink (who leaves a winning team)?

So, she was with her new Club for a week and attended one of the prestigious ECNL events. Coaches watching her new team (who did not have a great season) averaged 100 +/- per game. Top schools, too. Within a week, college coaches were making inquiries to her new club & coach. Within a month, she could have committed....within a month.

Now, do I think ECNL is responsible for this? Sure, but not fully. It was a combo of the league (as their events have hundreds of coaches in attendance) and her new Club. The coaches came to watch her team because her Club & the coaches are highly respected in the soccer world.

That is a huge part of it no matter which league in which you compete. The reputation of the club and its coaches and their development of players are integral as well.

Anonymous said...

*** integral pieces of the puzzle as well.

Anonymous said...

Lol you just made the point. Better exposure in the ECNL. College coaches have been quoted as such. YNT coaches say the same. People whose kids are not in just don't want to see it

Anonymous said...

Game on ECNL versus DA

Next we will hear that ECNL is going to circle wagons. They had to keep in the super clubs' B teams (hence the reaffirmation of PDA, Michigan hawks et al) to stay relevant. But, if they are smart business people, soon they will be bumping out "expendable" DA/ECNL clubs. I would expect Penn Fusion to be among the first as the ECNL rallies behind CFC. Bump Albertson and EMSC for Surf and NYFC and so on. Which NJ clubs will replace Matchfit? eastern MD is wide open. Can Baltimore bays pull their act together? Put back school year cut offs ECNL and you will have a real product to sell and compete well with the DA. Interesting times.

Anonymous said...

9:47 did your kid's USYS team ever play Disney? If not do you think the same would have happened? or are you saying she had nothing to do with this it was the league and the coaches?

Anonymous said...

none of my business, but why has she not committed? Is the school not what she wants?

Anonymous said...

9:05 - Consider that it is about 70 miles from Whitemarsh, MD to Manheim, PA (PAC) and West Chester, PA (PF). Some families already do this commute distance or more for ECNL. I can see PAC sucking in a few from the north side of Baltimore for DA. Northeastern MD girls have already been going to Continental, PF, and even Delaware teams in search of playing opportunities.

Anonymous said...

Kid's team did play Disney. I wasn't impressed. Great facilities, but thought it was overpriced for the what it was (had to stay in Disney facilities, etc.). Way more coaches at Sanford.
And yes, she has committed. She took her time. Great choice. Had a bunch of opportunities.

Anonymous said...

9:05 - do you really see ECNL bumping out PF? Ha, no chance. PF constantly has competitive teams in the nat'l cups. Even with the DA, they will have the depth.

I don't see ECNL getting rid of anyone. They want to stay competitive. I see them taking in clubs that don't have all age groups, possibly.

Recall they are allowing boys soon, too. That will make up for some of their DA talent losses.

Anonymous said...

9:39 - i'm 10:37 - wanted to add.

She did not send out one email to initially solicit a coach's attention. All of the coaches that reached out (including her committed school) were there to watch other kids on her team and/or her competing team which we always very good, too.

Anonymous said...

Everyone keeps forgetting that Disney was the premier tourney back in the day. ECNL has only been in existence for a few years. Is Disney still a very good tourney, absolutely? But, it isn't the only game in town anymore (literally).

Anonymous said...

1103 . great. glad you are happy.

Anonymous said...

11:15 - I guess that is ECNL's doing as well (the opportunities). I still think it's the combo club and ECNL.

Anonymous said...

How is Disney over priced compared to flying to San Diego? Honestly pal, you don't give your kid enough credit. If you think the only reason that happened was because of a league.

Maybe she's a good player and that would have happened anyway?

Anonymous said...

12:09 - went to SD and spent less than when we stayed at Disney. Many of the attractions in SD don't cost body limbs; they are just the price of gas. The beach was free.

Maybe you aren't reading my posts properly. I don't credit all of it to ECNL. I give a lot of it to her Club. If her Club left ECNL, those kids would still get great offers and would draw coaches. And you are right, she probably would have drawn some coaches had she not moved. She didn't move to draw interest. She thinks the level of play was/is better, overall, in most of her ECNL games. That is why she moved. And, can't argue with the outcome. Obviously, the college coaches thought so too.

But, there is no mistaking the amount of coaches that show up to the ECNL events as compared to the non-ECNL event, like Disney. I'm not trying to sway anyone. I am merely giving our experience.

Anonymous said...

Oh and US Soccer was never at her games in USYS. They are always on the sidelines in ECNL (league games and events). If they are showing up, certainly the level of play is warranting it. That is why she moved.

Anonymous said...

Ok Regarding Disney. You stayed at a Disney Hotel, it is not in any way required by the tournament. We stayed at an Embassy Suites for 149.00 per night. Free breakfast, free cocktail hour each day. Team has lunch and dinner catered in each day. The team does not visit parks during the tournament. Girls come to play, Disney Parks are not a novelty for most. The trip cost no more than any tournament with one exception, the travel cost. Our team had 236 coaches show up during the 3-4 days for our games, the quality of the team dictates the number of coaches, not just the tournament.Cost as compared to Sanford is a wash. I agree that ECNL may have more coaches come but 236 is adequate in my book. Maybe your kid was just on the wrong team prior to ECNL.

Anonymous said...

I'm not debating you. I don't have to. I don't pay your bills and I'm not trying to get my kid on any radars.

But as you noted, you can't compare SD to Disney. Compare Disney to Sanford, we had over 100 at one game. It only got better from there. And, these were mostly, DI, some DII; no DIII. Again, I am not trying to debate that either. Very good schools and programs in all the divisions. I'm not a soccer school snob that way. I'm not playing in college and getting an education for a future profession, my kid is. Whatever works for her, is fine with me.

You like Disney; it seems. I didn't. There is a chance my kid played your kid at some point there. She also didn't go as a U16. She was in ECNL already. So, when you go younger, it really isn't worth anything other than to get on coaches radars. And, we stayed on the Disney grounds (our administrative person told us we had to). It was a dump and was expensive. So, my hotel room in SD which was wonderful was the same price you paid in FL. And, when you book well in advance, the travel was pretty much the same cost, too.

You mention Disney. Surely the competition in the non-ECNL brackets at PDA are better. How many coaches did you get there, an ECNL event? Did you get more or less?


Anonymous said...

D3 have excellent schools and several that play better soccer than D1s, just saying :) no D3 is a BAD thing.

Anonymous said...

9:47

"....she could have committed, within a month"

Committed to what? What Division? What Conference? How much of a scholarship?

I could have my 14 year old daughter commit tomorrow as well

Doesnt mean a hill of beans.

Anonymous said...

we all want different hings from this I guess, but i never understand the # of coaches thing. As long as the ones my kids wants to go to come when she asks, I am happy.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, no DIII included in my tally for Sanford. DIII's are great schools and great programs too.

And my daughter is in a top 40 soccer DI program that meets both her soccer and academic needs.

Anonymous said...

1:35 I mentioned Disney since you mentioned it specifically. CASL seems to offer the best opportunities for the non- ECNL clubs as we registered close to 100 for one game and about 260 in total. Jeff Cup was similar. Regarding PDA it was a little less but at that point several of our top players had already committed. As another person mentioned, the quantity means little if they are not there to see you child. We played in top brackets and played well. So I ask you this, if my kid played against mainly ECNL teams at CASL, Jeff Cup and the top non- ecnl teams at Disney and PDA is she still at a disadvantage. I don't think so. You can figure out the club.

Anonymous said...

I won't discuss scholarship specifics as that is private. But, she had several and they were all from at least 85% to full.

Anonymous said...

I don't go by playing ECNL teams at CASL or Jeff Cup. As GSP don't matter to ECNL teams and these are not league games so mean nothing as far as wins/losses, they play scramble teams (mixing it up with other ages and kids not normally on their teams); playing without commits or kids that may not get a lot of playing time get more playing time.

I can't figure out the club. I don't follow USYS teams.

Anonymous said...

219 . Happy for you, BUT surely the number is irrelevant. Having gone through the process with my child, I find it strange that you got to the offer stage with so many schools simultaneously. Dont most kids proceed with the school they are most interested in and then circle back if they are not satisfied? or is it common practice to have a bidding war.

Anonymous said...

2:18 - I only mentioned Disney because someone asked me. I think Disney, Jeff Cup, CASL, etc are great. Once again, I am not crediting ECNL, fully. I am crediting her Club/coaches and her.

Anonymous said...

Some schools basically opened their pocketbooks to us before she even looked into them. We did tell many schools prior to the end that she was honored about the interest (and she was/we were), but was looking into other areas.

Anonymous said...

2:25 Great defense mechanism you have. But you didn't answer the question.

Anonymous said...

2:27 - I don't envy you or your daughter. It is a hard decision.

In some schools there was genuine interest in more than one for various reasons. Out of all of her final choices, the soccer programs/staff were very, very good and the academics were high level as well.

The differences were mostly in what the schools had to offer outside of soccer. She did a pros and cons list. Again, it was a very hard decision. And, believe me, I am (as is she) very grateful to have been in such a position. It's rough out there. But, always remember, a lot of VERY good soccer programs & schools in all divisions; be flexible.

Anonymous said...

1:35 why are you defending the league? My question to you was is your kid not good enough that she didn't a club's influence? My point if she can ball she would be on the radar period. You didn't like Disney but you loved SD right? Why do people always do that? Give the kids credit not the league or the club with out the kids they have nothing. Then again you recruit by putting down anything non-ECNL cool approach - for me and I am a soccer guy - ECNL league games are just how the USWNT play and we see how well we did with that style - also why the GDA was created so they can have a say and of course the biggest prize of all $$$$$$$.

My kid's team plays really nice soccer and is in flights appropriate to their level and has a record above .500 vs ECNLs teams at CASL and Jefferson and then you throw in Disney on top of that - college coaches never the issue but you do you and keep pumping up the league.

1:58 Agree 100% and they will unless she wants a CA school to come out east for a non major event. Disney & CASL get them.

1:35 Agree 100% - if the team plays top flights at CASL, Disney, Jefferson and PDA non-ecnl flight howis that a negative and how does playing in ECNL trump that?

2:19 you still didn't answer my question R U saying your kid playing at CASL, Disney, Jefferson and PDA non-ECNL flight wouldn't have had the same interest or she needed the league/club's influence? Simple YES or NO.

PS. If she was USWNT material I'm sure she would be on their radar already without the league

Anonymous said...

2:39 - i think i did. Most ECNL teams that I knew attending those tourneys (and some aren't going in the future) don't send their true ECNL squads. So, it is hard to judge.

Are you at a disadvantage? I can't answer that. Only you can. If you think she isn't getting the interest you think she should, then you are disadvantaged. Right?

Anonymous said...

2:39 he is with a sale pitch.

They don't send full ECNl squads and the non-ECNL teams play to win -

GDA top of the pyramid.
USYSA NL and ECNL next in line no matter what he is saying.

If your kid is a player she will be fine.



Anonymous said...

GDA top .... for only 11 girls per age group. You folks have read the specs on the GDA, right?

ECNL after that.

Anonymous said...

2:45 - not sure you understand the concept. If you play a team not at its strongest (not playing most of the commits, playing kids out of position, playing with kids from other teams to give them opportunities, giving more playing time to kids that don't normally get as much), would you really consider that a victory? I guess that is where we differ.

And, no, I don't believe that US Soccer would be at her games without moving. And, I don't think she would have garnered the same interest without moving even going to those tourneys, previously. But, her path and your kid's path may be very different.

Anonymous said...

not putting anyone down here, but all this tells us is that there are schools out there desperate to attracts good kids.

Anonymous said...

it also sounds like you took a very laid back approach. I belie that had you written to these schools, they would come and see your kid play, no matter the Club. If you told me you did and they didnt, then I stand corrected.

Anonymous said...

Can anyone produce a link of non-ECNL college commitments? I'd like to see where the NPL/ Super Y girls are going.

Anonymous said...

3:12 - You can take from it whatever you want. I didn't consider it desperate, but letting us know that they had money set aside for her style of player.

3:18 - And, as she sent out no e-mails, that is an unknown, too. But, I don't know.

Look, I am amazed at how all this played out and how quickly too. Everyone told us; you need to send out e-mails. She didn't. You need to go to this camp and this, she didn't. It was really an unconventional process for us.



Anonymous said...

http://www.excellesports.com/news/rio-defense-sweden-pia-sundhage/

Anyone have any input re this?

Anonymous said...

3:06 i can't speak for your discussions regarding ECNL players not participating at events. But like you I also speak to other clubs. At CASL and Jeff Cup this past year FC VA , Richmond , Alby had all top players. PF was without at CASL as they were clearly pretty weak. While I'm sure you will try to say otherwise I know the truth since I know the top players on these clubs, they were all on the field. Maybe i can send the films.

Anonymous said...

This isn't a secret. Their brochures say who is or isn't there. You might want to look at one at a tourney. The parents handing them out will gladly give one to you.

PDA was without, too. Didn't see Richmond's YNT player. I think MF & WC were without also. I am not saying every ECNL team. FC VA has over 30 players on its roster (had, I have no idea what this year will bring). My understanding, they split the teams to get various kids playing times. They send one team to ECNL events (Stanford) and another to a non-ECNL event, Disney. Not many teams carry that many kids.

In CASL, the tourney director asks the ECNL teams to create composite teams. PF was beating FC VA and then the coach put in other kids in the second half. I was watching before my kids' game. They also beat Syracuse DA who then beat Quickstrike. And Quickstrike beat PF. We are in their league so the games were of interest to me.

When the wins/losses don't matter (aren't league play), everyone gets to play. And, everyone should. Maybe your team doesn't work that way. It is about the kids getting looks you know. There is plenty of soccer out there.



Anonymous said...

At some point you are going to realize we are all on the same side. We all want our kids to have opportunities to play in college and get a great education so they can support us when we get older. LOL

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