Thursday, February 4, 2016

U16G - U16 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 16 girls youth soccer in Region 1.

Teams face increased competition for the top players, (who are increasingly attending college showcases).

More teams consolidate and the best teams--academy soccer, club soccer and high school teams--battle to attract and retain the right player mix.

Stay tuned. This is bound to be good.

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Anonymous said...

Meanwhile, at the top flight final of NEWSS, an NPL Team (QUICKSTRIKE FC QSFC ELITE 00' NPL (NYE)) beat an ECNL Team (WORLD CLASS FC '99 ECNL (NYE)) 2-1

Anonymous said...

MF NPL lost every game at NEWSS.

Anonymous said...

FC Copa NPL also tied Alberston ECNL at NEWSS. Isn't Alberston supposed to be the top northeast ECNL team?

Anonymous said...

Actually incredibly similar results @ NEWSS for almost all top bracket teams, regardless of ECNL or NPL. WC, Albertson, NJ Copa, NJ Stallions, and FC Arsenal (PAE West) all went 1-1-1. Only Quickstrike won more than 1 game.

Anonymous said...

And I thought ECNL was supposed to be the "Best of the Best". I guess it goes to show that you can be in ECNL and and the U16 age group when you have your Academy philosophy and tactical game down with those "Elite" players, you're supposed to be better than NPL or any town team around, right? I guess not.

Anonymous said...

Quickstrike also knocked off Albertson on Sunday. WC and Albertson are both very good teams. Just indicates that their are very good teams not playing the ECNL league.

Anonymous said...

Where is Quickstrike from?

Anonymous said...

7:53 am

AMEN to that!!!

Anonymous said...

There, their, they're ... it's so difficult to figure out which one to use.

Anonymous said...

Region 1 Champions League brackets: link

Anonymous said...

And these teams are Champions of what, exactly?

Anonymous said...

Looks like a rough weekend for the NJ clubs down in NC. SDFC beat up pretty good in National league with the exception of a win over a weak SAC team. Copa in way over their heads. Stallions put up a couple of good wins. PDA B teams played had good results albeit very low brackets. ECNL teams appear to be struggling in top 4 brackets against high quality non-ECNL teams. Penn Fusion, Continental and EMSC all looking very weak. Quickstrike took top bracket with wins over FC Virginia ECNL and Penn Fusion ECNL. Most brackets won by non-ECNL programs. Bethesda awful. Seems to be more balance this year at U16.

Anonymous said...

Nice comments 5:37, where you even there?

Anonymous said...

Funny- you have ECNL haters and ECNL lovers. If your child/team is good enough and you are participating in top-tier showcase tournaments, they will get noticed. There are terrible and great ECNL teams and terrible and great non-ECNL teams out there.

Anonymous said...

Funnier yet is how ECNL lovers defend the brand and reject any team from non- ecnl as being inferior.

Anonymous said...

Is not defending the brand. It is just simple which is better Nike or puma. There you go!

Anonymous said...

ECNL parents understood that the composite event competing with CASL changed the U16 teams dramatically. There were as many as 6 starters, often the early commits, gone from the U16s playing up on the 17s to fill gaps made by the composite and also some kids actually playing in the composite. The U16 were using playups and NPL players to fill gaps and afford more players exposure.

People don't understand that the ECNL teams used CASL to showcase their lower level players who won't see as much time in the ECNL events. Most of the teams were playing equal playing time or even more playing time for the bottom of the roster. In fact with the roster sizes often over 20 players at this age, some players won't even travel to Sanford or might rotate out of a specific game. CASL gave them the exposure they need for recruitment.

Obviously, CASL also garners exposure for non ECNL teams. I am not saying that a player must have ECNL exposure to be noticed. There were lots of coaches at the games and the opportunity was there for all players. I am only informing you that many teams did not put forward their A roster for this event inorder to be as fair as possible to all players on the roster.

Anonymous said...

8:12 I hope u made yourself feel better with that post. Wow is all I can say.

Anonymous said...

Of the 20 or so ECNL teams that were at CASL, I think only 4 or 5 are competing at the Composite, so that argument doesn't hold much water. On top of that, I know that one of the teams that is at both events did bring their "A Roster" and the others are not any of the teams ever talked about on this board.

Anonymous said...

Here is something 8:12 can relate to.

The Sneetches, by Dr. Seuss
Now, the Star-Bell Sneetches had bellies with stars.
The Plain-Belly Sneetches had none upon thars.
Those stars weren’t so big. They were really so small.
You might think such a thing wouldn’t matter at all.

But, because they had stars, all the Star-Belly Sneetches
Would brag, “We’re the best kind of Sneetch on the beaches.”
With their snoots in the air, they would sniff and they’d snort
“We’ll have nothing to do with the Plain-Belly sort!”
And, whenever they met some, when they were out walking,
They’d hike right on past them without even talking...

Anonymous said...

Lol you have no idea what your talking about. It alsways makes non ECNL parents nuts when ECNL people tell them that the games against their children arent importnat to the ECNL coaches and teams.

Anonymous said...

"Non-ECNL" parents could care less about losing to ECNL teams. Seems to me that the ECNL parents are always coming up with excuses as to why their teams lose to non-ECNL teams.

There are many ECNL teams that are full of great players, but when one gets beat by a good non-ECNL team, just man up and admit that they got beat. Don't come on here and make up lame excuses about missing players or coaches that don't care about winning. That's a disservice to the kids that are working their butts off.

Anonymous said...

No these comments aren't a disservice; they are statements of fact. If you don't think that missing 5-6 early committed kids who were playing on other (older) rosters, or that the ECNL teams playing kids evenly to give the non committed kids exposure during an event for which the results had no import, impart a significant impact on the outcome of a game, then move along...

Anonymous said...

Ecnl does not equate to the best teams.. If you cannot accept that...you can move along. Sorry but it's just a fact and if you don't see it then you are wearing rose colored glasses

Anonymous said...

Mr. ECNL 12:49, stop making excuses, do you know the situations of the teams you were playing> 2 injured, 2 playing up, 1 at a wedding. Who knows, every team plays with issues, but you only care to think that it is your team.

Anonymous said...

False excuses just make you look bad. The Composite event had no impact on the teams that were being discussed (except for maybe McLean, and they won their bracket). The other clubs weren't at the Composite, and there was no event for the U17's, so the excuses that 8:12 was making up just make him/her look look a sore loser.

Anonymous said...

Well actually Penn Fusion was also affected. They entered the u18 composite and pulled kids all around to other teams too. I think the u16s were significantly affected by kids being pulled up to the 98s and by kids actually playing in the composite. Not sure which teams are being discussed. Regarding other teams' injuries etc. If a team was truly down 6 impact players then that is significant information to gage the relative value of a team's success in winning a game. Just sayin...

Anonymous said...

Every U16 WNT player with the exception of two is ECNL

Anonymous said...

The Quickstrike team that beat Penn Fusion also beat FC Virginia ECNL the next day. During the prior week at NEWSS the beat Albertson and World Class ECNL teams. The fact they beat Fusion only 2-0 is fortunate for Fusion as it could have been worse. ECNL has not cornered the market on good teams ir outstanding players. 1 win is lucky, 4 wins is much more telling.

Anonymous said...

Where is Quickstrike from?

Anonymous said...

@1030. World Class played without some of the better players, including a u16 NT player. Lets not draw too many conclusions from an early season showcase. Im sure QS are a fine team, but take it easy.

Anonymous said...

1:30 Ok we clarified WC game, what spin do we have for Albertson and FC Virginia games?

Anonymous said...

I guess I would understand if we were talking about beating a top ECNL team. This early season chest thumping makes no sense. you are debating the relative value of teams that are somewhat equivalent. I put it to you this way, I reckon a large percentage of those ECNL players would make the QS team if they tried out. In my opinion, the majority of the top players play ECNL, but there are not that many of them. The good players are split between the alternatives. There are some non ECNL teams that choose en masse to stay together simply because they are happy with each other and the coaching. They do well as a group and win games ve ECNL and non ECNL. They feed on the we are as good as the ECNL chatter and get a chip on their shoulder. As a team they probably are, but they don't have the top player that an ECNL team may have. You can argue about who is better etc, but it really does not matter. If QS works for you, then great. Stick with it, but I do think you underestimate how good some of the top ECNL kids are and you overvalue the meaning of beating them.

Anonymous said...

People just don't like to hear excuses

Anonymous said...

Quickstrike was originally from Bethlehem and later moved to Nazareth.

Anonymous said...

@3:08 By your comments I believe you have never seen them play.

Anonymous said...

BAHAHAHA @ 3:58, perhaps they are the long anticipated second coming, given to us through immaculate conception and here to judge us all.

Anonymous said...

Excuses, excuses better to stick with your own, avoid judgment all together.

Anonymous said...

I looked on the admittedly self reported committments spreadsheet, which is no doubt incomplete, but I see three committed quick strike players and they are 2016 grads. Are there unreported committed kids on that u16 team? There are several committed 2018 on all the region 1 ecnl teams. Those are the blue chip players for the most part. In fact the best player on the u16 fields at CASL were the ECNL 2019 play ups that got emails from 40 or more coaches after the event ( passed on through coaches to keep NCAA compliant). Who cares who beats whom anymore. That's for the u13 forum. It's about what happens to the top few kids and their recruitment that matters. The others are mid major fillers on the ECNL teams and d3 players on the rest. Other than a token Syracuse bench player, where has quick strike placed players? How many went to id2 camps? How many have been invited to national camps? I won't even ask with how much money they are getting. But you guys keep debating which team is better long after such discussion is remotely relevant.

Anonymous said...

In order to avoid judgement, you must learn to judge yourself, and not others. The repeated attempts to justify the path you've chosen is the issue, not the explanations which you happen to perceive to be excuses.

Anonymous said...

Offers are abundant, it is nice to be able to be selective.

Anonymous said...

Hope the 2018 and 17s do better than the 16s. 2 to Stoney brook and one to Providence. synchrinous offers are unusual if anyone really has experience in this process. Offers usually come at unofficial visits or shortly thereafter. The significant money offers come with short term deadlines. They move on to another candidate relatively quickly because they don't want to tie up money. Also the quick strike penn fusion game was not one sided. Both teams were wearing white shirts and white shorts. Both goals ( I didn't see the second half so if that was one sided there is a possibility that I might be mistaken) were give always in the penn fusion defensive third; one by the GK possibly due to the shirts. What I saw was a well organized quick strike team. Excellent one touch passing combinations. I did not see a stand out player on quick strike but I did see one on penn fusion. I think in general what I saw was a common situation; the non ecnl teams may be the more successful teams, but the better individual players are largely found in the ECNL teams.

Anonymous said...

if you look at the commits to top soccer schools how many are there and what is the ECNL to non ECNL ratio? Surely that ells you what top college coaches think of the players?

Anonymous said...

It tells you the same thing as the USGNT player rosters. The ECNL gets the top players. They often don't gel as a team and some teams can be relatively unsuccessful. But the top players are generally found in the ECNL and a few in the national league. Even East meadow has some excellent players; many of whom are very individualistic which does not help to create a successful team. NEFC U16 NPL is an aberration. They would be national league but for their DOC eschewing USYSA in order to attempt to fall into the good graces of US club soccer in hopes of achieving the holy grail: being awarded an ECNL franchise.

Anonymous said...

Big events coming up for players good luck at Sanford and Disney. I am sure there will be much opportunity at both showcases. Are some kids doing both? ECNL discovery players or guesting for NPL or USYSA teams at Disney? I think last year FC VA did both any ECNL teams planning on that agian since its the peak recruiting event/time of their careers?

Anonymous said...

U17 - Born in 2000
U18 - Born in 1999
Big changes for most rosters 2016-17 season....
over 50% of Region 1 clubs already on board

Anonymous said...

Does any statistical data exist that shows the % of early verbal commits at U16 that end up attending and playing soccer at the school they early commit to?

Anonymous said...

Yes big changes. The 99s are screwed. Only the very top U16 99s will make teams composed of existing 98/99 players. Basically have to break into a fully made team. Especially hard for ECNL kids. Some teams should start playing their 99s up as much as possible.

Anonymous said...

@ 7:09
Quite the drastic blanket statement for '99s.

Anonymous said...

What isn't true about it?

Anonymous said...

You have not seen all 99s in Region 1 hence you are making a blanket statement. No doubt there's some truth there, but it depends on club and roster depth. You have obviously observed "your" teams and feel that way.

Anonymous said...

No, what I said was that the 99s have to make a fully formed 98/99 team except maybe a August 98 graduating senior or two leaving an opening for next year. In any environment that would be a daunting endeavor. I don't intend to speak to a specific team or player.

Further, the August-December 99s have been playing at a lower level than the older 99s and 98s against whom they will have to compete for spots and play-time. Their development is, on the whole, behind. This phenomenon has been playing out for years at ODP where the August-December kids have struggled against the older kids, not necessarily because of size and physical maturation, but often because of the extra year of soccer developmental advantage.

There is nothing team, or player, specific about these statements. I am not saying that a particular top u16 99 won't be equally successful on the older team on which she will be forced to participate next year, only that these circumstances are difficult for most players. Beyond the obvious social problems, the new age dictates create a disadvantage for the 99s globally in competition for spots and time on an older completely formed team. That is simply a fact. This is the only age (u17 98/99) that the teams can stay completely the same for next year with the 2 birth years already represented. Next year will be the only time that the younger players have to earn spots and time on a fully formed team.

Sure there may be club with a weak 98/99 team and a stronger 99/00 team that will easily push 4 or more 99s into the starting lineup, but not all young 99s will maintain their status. It will be the unusual event that a u16 99 top 3 player will be able to keep that status now shifting "up" to an older 98/99 team next year. I think it will be most frequent that Full game Stars will largely become 1/2-2/3 game starters. Starters will become 1/2 game or less off the bench players, and off the bench players may become NPL starters. I concede there will be individual exceptions, kids who should have been playing up all along, but this scenario will largely play out all over the country for the August-December 99s. I think we differ in that I am intending to speak to the global problem not an individual player. The 99 parents on my child's team are very upset with the prospect of their children making the U18/19 team next year. I hope your 99, if you have one, will be successful.

Anonymous said...

Wow, do I agree with you. The Aug. Dec. 99's may be truly shafted. Those uncommitted will be hampered. My kid is struggling with the choice of playing less or switching clubs. No other group of players are so greatly affected by the stroke of a pen. Wonder if anyone at US Soccer ever gave a 2nd thought to these players.

Anonymous said...

Using this reasoning...wouldn't this apply to all older half of year ages?

Anonymous said...

@10:54 The 99's ate affected from a recruiting year approach more than any other age.

Anonymous said...

Good thoughts...merry Xmas!
Hoping it all works out..my Sept. 99 has had D1 coaches inquiring so time will tell...

Anonymous said...

10:54, no this problem is unique to the '99s. For example, the Jan-Jul '00s will now be joined by Aug-Dec '00s who are currently playing U15. These U15's have a better chance of making the "older" team because of the vacated spots from the Aug-Dec. '99s who now have to move on. As the earlier poster said, the '98s don't have to move on from the combined '98/99 team because most of the '98s will already be in college and the ones left can stay on this combined team that will play U19.

My daughter's team is 1/3 '99s, 2/3 '00s. All the '99s are starters and play most if not all of our games. The current U17 team is really strong so I know these parents are really worrying about the future. Plus, next year their daughters will still be juniors trying to showcase while many of the '99 Seniors will be done with the process.

Anonymous said...

I see so much discussion on this forum related to ECNL. Is the only way a soccer player will play for college is if they are on an ECNL team? Is that the only league that matters?

Anonymous said...

3:24 Not at all, I am speaking from a non-ecnl point of view. Any high level team will encounter this problem. ECNL may have ways of adjusting their showcases but the larger ones like Disney, CASL and Jeff.Cup will need to adjust things to accommodate new teams with little history. Throw any team history from the previous year out the door, they will not be relevant. Coaches/clubs that have strong creditability will get the preferential treatment.

Anonymous said...

Well there was just much discussion regarding the age change. ECNL announced combined 99/98 u19 teams. So I guess the discussion revolves around the model. All us club soccer will follow. Usysa likely will for state cup. Already do for tournaments. Most of them skip u18 age group and go from u17 to u19. It is much easier to get interest from top 25 coaches if your child plays in the ECNL and is a top player invited to pdp etc. national league like strikers or way top of the us club, NEFC , are exceptions. But if your kid is looking at mid majors and her team is competing regional tournaments probably champions league type teams are good enough.

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Anonymous said...

Look at the pot calling the kettle black ... the difference is the pot comes across as desperate for attention.

Anonymous said...

8:32 Hopefully Jeff. Cup will be scheduled at a time when a convenient out is not available. I hate excuses, don't you?

Anonymous said...

Lol if you are even mildly concerned about wins in a showcase event, when rosters were shuffled to give the best shot to all kids in the club, your kid isn't going top 25. It's about the individual kids at this age not the teams. Which team is showcasing the kids the best? I guarantee the coaches don't care and probably don't even know what the score was in these games. Maybe you should adopt a U12 so you chest beaters can have a second chance at that game?

After CASL, my kid got ACC, SEC, Big 12 and Big 10 emails from coaches. She also got about 30 from midmajors and Ivys. 8 of these coaches actually called the club coach to find out more about her. She is scheduled to call a few of them after the holidays. And yours on the winning team...?

Good luck with the midmajors there's plenty of room for your kid or maybe she is really at the D3 level? Rah-rah team! ECNL is definitely the way to go for exposure for the top of the roster. Yup the bottom of the roster is interchangable with your kid. Now proceed to the bashing it's entirely entertaining from where I sit.

Anonymous said...

9:27 Lots of people pretend to believe in Santa at this time of year but I doubt even the most impressionable individual would ever consider your comments truthful. Santa, Easter Bunny, flying pigs are possible, your story? Not likely.

Anonymous said...

Your the one who is desperately trying to believe that this isn't true because then you don't have to face that your kid is just average when she is on a "winning" team. This is exactly how it goes for the top kids. Your kid is clearly not in the range or you would know that's how this game is played for the blue chips.

Anonymous said...

The concept of an explanation totally escapes 9:09 - pretty sad.

Anonymous said...

The concept of team escapes those of the ECNL. OK point understood.

Anonymous said...

True that. The team is the vehicle for an individual's advancement.

Anonymous said...

12/23 9:27 your daughter must have had one heck of a tournament to garner all that attention! Come on, you really expect us to beleive this? Ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

6:06 Person must write resumes for living. That good a player but not committed yet? Maybe not a team player, coaches must be scared off.

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Anonymous said...

I wonder if 9:27 realizes that many college coaches will take a pass on a kid after meeting the parents.

Anonymous said...

6:42 I've heard their is now an ECNL and Non- ECNL section for parents at most college games.

Anonymous said...

Well there isn't at the top 30 because there aren't enough non ECNL parents to support a separate section

Anonymous said...

If ECNL is where the best players and teams are, how can there be teams losing by 3,4,5,6 goals down in Sanford, Fl? Doesn't make sense to me.

Anonymous said...

FC Bucks continues to struggle. I wonder what the excuses will be now...........

Anonymous said...

3:29 same average team as previous year, Fusion and Continental not much better. Better non- ECNL can beat them all. Outside the top 20 or so teams in ECNL it's just a group a very good club teams. And to be honest some of the ECNL teams are not even top teams in their own state. Fl, NY CA, TX UT , PA have their best clubs not in ECNL.

Anonymous said...

Ah, perhaps your child's team does beat the ECNL teams, but when did your child's team have 100 coaches watching her play, including the national champions ...
How many offers from power five conferences has your child turned down? Some of your drive to "prove" her team is better than the ECNL comes from some level of remorse over your denying your child this opportunity. But then again if she is just average it doesn't matter either way. She won't be attractive to the best.

Anonymous said...

9:21 Only interested in 5 particular schools, not interested in the rest. Unless your kid is committed they are probably on the same radar. Majority of the power 5 are nice schools but she is not going to trade education for soccer. If you want to sign up for FSU or NC, more power to you. Good luck in your pursuit. Btw, if you need a 100 schools to get her a spot in college she may just be average herself. Just a thought.

Anonymous said...

http://www.soccerwire.com/news/clubs/sources-u-s-soccer-set-to-launch-girls-development-academy-in-2017-relegating-ecnl-to-second-tier/

Anonymous said...

Figures this would happen with the '99s becoming U18 in 2016....girls/women get screwed again...

Anonymous said...

News flash: the ECNL is not elite. Lol.

Anonymous said...

Well history repeats itself, the NPL college showcase is yet another waste of time and money.

Anonymous said...

NEWS flash : PA Classics Winter College Showcase is not elite. Lol

Anonymous said...

December 31 4:36

What college coaches are at the showcase this year, anyone besides Rutgers? Are the games competitive?

Anonymous said...

Verbal commitments are all that exists before February national signing day for seniors. However, they are taken very seriously by both the players and the coaches. Rarely does one side (more often the player) back out of a verbal agreement. I spoke to a power 5 coach about the relative strength of such a verbal commitment. He said, I can't back out of a verbal commitment because if I did so it would be common knowledge very soon and that action would make it impossible for me to recruit quality players, with many choices in programs, in the future. The club world from which he picks players is a relatively small community. His program has never won a national championship. The only program about which I am aware has pulled offers, for anything other than academic progress, is UNC. There was a well publicized NJ girl who suffered from this treatment a few years ago when a Stanford commit couldn't get into the school and became "available" immediately before signing day. AD pulled her scholarship and gave it to the former Stanford commit. The coach also said to me I have to eat it if a kid's trajectory doesn't pan out for me. He guarantees 4 years scholarship too...

By the way my child is not new to the ECNL and has received offers. She is just unsure about where she wants to go and is hence, still available. Clearly some kids on her team are already committed. They are not necessarily more successful than is she. We are encouraging her to make sure she feels really good about her college choice and, indeed, she has seen offers expire. We will be going on several visits this winter. Some schools were tracking her to this point and, after Sanford, have decided to move and have invited her to visit. Some of these are exciting to her and we suspect that she will be committed by the summer.

No one should force a 14-15 year old into this kind of decision. Her commitment status does not really reflect on her relative desirability at this point. Save national players at the top 5 programs, many high level 2018s are still available and will be through to the spring. Is my daughter going to Virginia? Probably not, but there are several other ACC, SEC, Big10 and Big12, schools who have offered or are showing interest. We will be spending a lot of money traveling this winter with her. Good luck to all; there is a place for everyone who wants to play in college. I truly believe that.

Anonymous said...

Good info 9:47 and good luck
Why are you talking about seniors though? This is U16 correct?
My daughter is not ECNL and has 2 D1 schools "following" her after inquiring to her coach. Great boost for her but irrelevant right now bc she's a sophomore...many college visits in the future...

Anonymous said...

I'm not 9:47, but the reference to Seniors is when an offer can be officially extended in writing by the school. A sophomore can verbally commit to a school, but the school can not make a financial offer in writing until the February of the athlete's senior year (the NLI signing period), which is over two years away .

Anonymous said...

My point exactly 12:32

Anonymous said...

Keep your head in the sand if you believe the verbal commitments mean nothing. Only tells me that your kid isn't good enough to enter into this discussion or you would understand the process better.

Anonymous said...

http://www.gotsport.com/events/teamlist.asp?EventID=46787&ShowAll=&Gender=Girls&AgeFilter=16&ApplyFiltersButton=Apply+Filters

Anonymous said...

Universities would have no credibility in recruiting if they pulled verbal commitments often. There are 3 main reasons why verbals are pulled, grades, disciplinary actions, or injury, otherwise, they are pretty secure. It's the player who tends to not honor the commitment not the college although either side can. But given the choice, wouldn't you rather have the verbal than not.

Anonymous said...

His/her kid isn't talented enough to enter into a verbal at this age that's why he/she is trying to beat down the value. Absolutely, most kids would be thrilled to be "verbally" committed at this stage of the game to a school of their choice. By the way, injury is not generally accepted as a legitimate reason to pull an offer.

Anonymous said...

7:54 what does this represent? Can't open it.

Anonymous said...

@4:57
You say “most kids would be thrilled to be "verbally" committed at this stage” Although it’s a significant accomplishment to get quality offers in their sophomore year I would disagree with your statement. I would suggest that parents and coaches should strongly encourage kids to wait till junior year at least before committing in most cases. If they’re truly that good the offers will be there next year also. The girls are still young. Let them explore options while their life goals are still formulating in their young minds. A schools soccer program should be only one of many factors that go into choosing a school. They should definitely be thrilled to get the offers but committing so early, in most cases & in my opinion, is not the wisest path.

Anonymous said...

7:20
This is U16 Jeff Cup accepted teams list
Try copying and pasting...if you care or it applies to you,that is

Anonymous said...

@723

Not true Im afraid. many top schools simply move on to the next player. There are not many schools that offer top 25 academics AND top 25 soccer. The demand for places at those schools is massive as many top players want both. An offer from one of these schools has to be taken seriously and the better you are, the earlier it will probably arrive. This process is getting earlier and earlier. mainly driven by this. I do agree with you that it is probably not ideal, but it is the current reality. A really top player may actually have LESS time to decide albeit between really good schools.

Anonymous said...

@756
I completely agree. Offers expire, sometimes after as little as 2 weeks, and are extended to the next kid on the depth chart. It's na├»ve to take this "high road" of, "if they’re truly that good the offers will be there next year also". There will be offers no doubt the next year, but they will likely be smaller and to less desirable schools and soccer programs. The top 50 are rapidly filling or have filled their 2018 classes. My guess is that your statement could be true for possibly 20 total kids in any given class in the entire country. They have in common that they all been to national team camp.

Anonymous said...

7:20 thanks. Thought you had found some other valuable tidbit, maybe early bracket or schedule assignments.

Anonymous said...

Jeff Cup brackets are here: http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=46787&Group=Girls_16

Probably just preliminary, since they aren't announcing the top bracket until the NSCAA Convention (and the rest after that), and they might take it down if they realize it's out there. Here's what they are in case they do:

Championship
Group A
CLEVELAND FC 99-00 (ON)
FC VIRGINIA ECNL 99 (VA)
FC PENNSYLVANIA STRIKERS (PAE)
PDA GUNNERS BLUE (NJ)
FLORIDA KRUSH 99/00 BLACK (FL)
PENN FUSION SA '99G ECNL (PAE)
QUICKSTRIKE FC ELITE 00' NPL (NYE)
RICHMOND UNITED ECNL U16 (VA)

Elite Orange
Group A
FC BUCKS 99 ECNL (PAE)
ALBERTSON FURY U16 ECNL (NYE)
ALLEYCATS 99/00 - NPL (NYE)
PDA BREAKERS (NJ)
ISA ELITE 99 NPL (NYE)
MARIN FC 2000 BLUE (CAN)
PIEDMONT TRIAD FC 99 LADY BLACK (NC)
SUNRISE STING 99/00 BLACK (FL)
MCLEAN 99 GIRLS ECNL (VA)
SMITHTOWN EAST MEADOW NPL HOTSPUR (NYE)
TENNESSEE SC 18 (TN)
SYRACUSE DA U16G (NYW)

Elite Black
Group A
BETHESDA SC ECNL REAL 99 (MD)
BEACH FC 99G RED (VA)
JERSEY UNITED SOCCER SPARTANS 99/00G NPL (NJ)
CASL 99 LADIES RED (NC)
FC EUROPA HOTSPURS 99/00 (PAE)
MARYLAND UNITED FC 99 ECNL (MD)
SOUTH CAROLINA UNITED FC 99 GIRLS ELITE (SC)
FC FREDERICK '99 (MD)
PITTSBURGH RIVERHOUNDS DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY (PAW)
TOMS RIVER FC EVERTON (NJ)
FREEHOLD SL CELTIC (NJ)
VIENNA YS PHOENIX '99 (VA)

Superior Orange
Group A
NJ STALLIONS STAMPEDE NPL (NJ)
CAROLINA RAPIDS 99 BURGUNDY (NC)
ARUNDEL SA PREMIER 99'S (MD)
ARSENAL FC OF PA PREMIER PRIDE (PAW)
OPSA MAGIC (MD)
HERNDON UNITED '99 (VA)
EAST ISLIP SC RED STORM (NYE)
FC COPA ACADEMY G99 NPL (NJ)
TEAM BOCA 99/00 GIRLS WHITE (FL)
MASSAPEQUA SC STRIKERS NPL '99 (NYE)
FC STARS OF MASS NPL (MA)
MCLEAN 99 GIRLS GREEN (VA)
WNY FLASH ACADEMY GU16 (NYW)
NJ WILDCATS TROUTMAN-NPL (NJ)
PDA PRIDE (NJ)
PIPELINE SC BLACK (MD)

Superior Black
Group A
OBGC SOCCER OLNEY GIRLS 99 (MD)
GPS-MA NPL GIRLS 99/00 (MA)
LDC UNITED HURRICANES 99-00 (PAE)
PDA ATLETICA (NJ)
LOUDOUN 99G RED (VA)
MARYLAND UNITED FC 99 RED (MD)
RAGE SC '99 ATHLETICA (PAE)
SAC PREMIER UNITED (MD)
TENNESSEE SC 18 PREMIER (TN)
TAMPA BAY UNITED PREMIER GIRLS 99 (FL)
SJEB '99G (NJ)
TFC ALLIANCE 99 GIRLS (NC)

Platinum Orange
Group A
BAYSIDE FC BOLTS U16G NPL 99/00 (RI)
ARLINGTON SA CHAOS RED (VA)
HERSHEY ELITE FC 99 (PAE)
EUSA EMPIRE UNITED ROCHESTER GU16 (99/00) (NYW)
BEADLING SC BEADLING BOMBERS 99/00 GIRLS (PAW)
OAKWOOD SC (CT)
LEHIGH VALLEY UNITED LVU '99 (PAE)
NEW YORK RUSH ROWDIES (NYE)
VIRGINIA RUSH ELITE 99G (VA)
MONTGOMERY SC PANTHERS (MD)
WELLINGTON SC 99/00 WAVE WHITE (FL)
WILMINGTON HAMMERHEADS 99G WHITE (NC)

Platinum Black
Group A
BOSTON BREAKERS ACADEMY GU16 NPL (MA)
DELAWARE RUSH 99 (DE)
FLORIDA KRUSH 99/00 WHITE (FL)
HFC READY '99 (PAE)
NEW JERSEY RUSH 99 NPL ( FKA 99 GIRLS GREY) (NJ)
LAGRANGE CHARGERS (NYE)
SEACOAST UNITED ELITE- IS- 99/00 (NH)
NORTHERN STEEL SELECT SOCCER INTENSITY (PAW)
PWSI COURAGE 99G RED (VA)
YANKEE UNITED F.C.HEAT NPL-99 (CT)
PREMIER THUNDER (MD)
SHATTUCK-ST. MARY'S SABRES (MN)

Classic
Group A
RICHMOND KICKERS U16G ELITE (VA)
RICHMOND STRIKERS U16 ELITE (VA)
CHARLOTTE SA 99 PREDATOR (NC)
OHIO ELITE ACADEMY (OS)
PENN FUSION SA '99G NPL (PAE)
SJA FC AZZURRI (NJ)
HMMS EAGLE FC VILLA '99 (PAE)
FC RICHMOND MYSTX '99 (VA)
WORLD CLASS FC 99 MAGIC NPL (NYE)
VIRGINIA LEGACY U16 GIRLS CCL ELITE (VA)

Classic
Group A
FSA FC U16 GIRLS NPL 99 (CT)
STAFFORD SOCCER REVOLUTION 99G BLUE (VA)
PDA FLORIDA GIRLS BLUE 99-00 (FL)
CONNECTICUT FC UNITED NPL (CT)

Anonymous said...

Alby playing PDA B team..embarrassing.

Anonymous said...

Agreed, Alby is a bit overrated.

Anonymous said...

Getting back to verbal commitments, 7 players on PDA pride have verbally committed to Rutgers. The rest of the parents are pissed!!

Anonymous said...

Ably has nothing to worry about!

Anonymous said...

Who has ever said Alby is overrated?

Anonymous said...

If they committed to Rutgers they aren't playing soccer there.

Anonymous said...

"Yeah, that's the ticket."

Anonymous said...

8:41 Care to elaborate? Why wouldn't they be playing soccer?

Anonymous said...

Does anyone really believe that the Rutgers Coach, even the DOC of PDA, would commit 7 player spots to players from one team, and an average team at that. I'll believe it when I see it. Rutgers, ranked #3 in the Country, building 25% of their roster from a team that struggles to compete in NJ state cups. The Gunners maybe, the Pride, no way.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Rutgers Camden and Rutgers Newark.

Anonymous said...

@1224 Do you really think Rutgers are the 3rd best team in the US? Cmon. Had a great season behind a tough defense and a great GK. They are solid and they rode their luck well. The kids that are committing there will be mostly NJ based and not the best ones. You can win plenty of college games with toughness and good coaching.Put Rutgers in the ACC,they would be lucky to finish in the top 5.Lets see what happens next year. I love Rutgers, just realistic about what they are soccer wise. Gunners sights will be set higher.Maybe kids that dont get their first choice will commit there, but I dont think the Gunners have that down as first choice.

Anonymous said...

3:32 #3 or #20, I highly doubt that 7 kids from an average NPL team made up of mostly Sophomores have verbally committed to Rutgers. It would be nonsensical to think that a Division team at a reasonably competitive Division 1 team is going to be tying that many recruiting spots so early. 7 players is almost a full recruiting class. C'mon.

I also don't make the rankings but that's where they are right now.

Anonymous said...

@332 Is it? In state tuition is how much? I bet they can make their $$ go along way with minimal financial commitments to several in state players. I dont dispute where they finished,I just dont see them as the 3rd best team in the US. The college system is totally weighted to an end of year one and done event. It favors a good defensive team from a weaker conference because you can game plan for one game and go to penalties to win. I take nothing from Rutgers, they had an incredible season, but when you tray and make a case like they are Stanford or even ND in terms of recruiting...no sir. Rutgers are very smart to use the local pipeline to fill the roster and IF they get the odd real Blue Chipper like the current GK, then they will be great. They build on hard work and good coaching. Not a roster full of elite players. They cant, because they will struggle to consistently recruit them. I an totally believe these kids are committed there...why not?

Anonymous said...

Why not? I don't find it believable and I think someone is trying to drive a wedge in a team. I think you will be hard pressed to find precedent for a Division 1 team regardless of where they are ranked committing 7 recruiting spots to mostly sophomores and maybe 1 or 2 Juniors. Very few sophomores from highly elite teams like the Gunners get early commitments let alone 7 kids from an OK NPL team. That's it I don't believe it and I won't believe it until I see it.

Anonymous said...

According to TDS, there is only 1 2018 PDA player committed to Rutgers, and that's the Gunners keeper. There are 3 2017 PDA players committed to Rutgers and two of them play for Gunners and one plays for U17 Impact.

Anonymous said...

@1136 ..get one thing str8. Coaches recruit elite PLAYERS. And not all early commits are for significant $$. No disrespect to the PDA U16 programs, but not sure they have any real blue chip players,just many good ones. Maybe a couple,one from FCB and a defender.

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Anonymous said...

Pride parents are notoriously untruthful, especially one of the mothers. I don't believe any of those players are verbally committed anyway.

Anonymous said...

If I say it then it's true - "Yeah, that's the ticket."

Anonymous said...

11:44 sure they are, just anyone associated with the team.

Anonymous said...

Alby will do fine in top Jeff Cup bracket. Coach will bring in players from 6 different states in order to win and to make his two players look good, at the expense of his regular players. The parents are being taken for a ride, they need to wake up and get out.

Anonymous said...

Alby will struggle with any team they play in the bracket. Hopefully they play ECNL as the possible embarrassment is not as great.

Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion doesn't care about the switch. Their committed players won't even travel to this event and will instead be preparing for the San Diego showcase the following week. They will use this event to showcase players who don't see much of the field during the ECNL competitions. Same as they did in CASL when half the u16s were playing up at U17 or in the composite, they will fill the gaps with play ups from the U15s, and kids from 18-20 to give them exposure and a chance at a challenge. The uncommitted kids and play-ups will attract coaches in greater numbers than many of the top tier teams will. TM won't complain; the second flight serves his purposes without issue. Penn Fusion is a great club with nothing to prove.

Anonymous said...

Nice words about Penn Fusion but none of us really care. Did someone mention Penn Fusion in the conversation?

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Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion appears to have an infiriority complex

Anonymous said...

3:10 Your utter disrespect for what you considerer lesser players on your own team is so sad. It appears you speak from a upper ranked player situation but the offensive way you speak of some of your own players is awful. Whether you statement is true or not means very little but your delivery is offensive. We can only hope your fellow team parents never discover your identity.

Anonymous said...

310 Sounds pretty matter of fact to me. But I am guessing this is a continental parent trying to stir up the penn fusion team.

Anonymous said...

Would have nice to see a Penn Fusion/ PA Strikers match at Jeff.

Anonymous said...

The arrogance is unreal...if the "bottom" players are that bad, says much for the club for adding them to roster..$$ anyone?

Anonymous said...

Wait actually I think its 706/1142 who is the pot stirrer CFC parent. Nowhere in the Penn Fusion post does it say anything bad about the bottom roster kids. In fact it boasts that they will attract alot of attention. That's a prop if you can read. Also what team doesn't have a bottom of the roster? Is that a negative term or a statement of fact? Actually the post say Penn Fusion is responsible in assuring that ALL the kids are showcased during the year by providing venues for ALL to start and play significant minutes. What's the horrible dis?

Anonymous said...

4:47 The original post from Penn Fusion was unsolicited and was a response to a prior post of them being moved out by Alby. The response post while appearing to be rather matter a fact really was an effort to downplay the significance of Jeff Cup and therefore making it of no value except to the lesser players. It it not the words you say but your delivery which sucks. BTW I am quite sure I am not from Continental.

Anonymous said...

Really odd not the words but the delivery in a written post ???

Anonymous said...

Somewhat odd but I understand the point trying to be made.

Anonymous said...

Would have been interesting to see Penn Fusion play the Strikers on multiple levels. One is Penn Fusion after playing Bucks and CFC in December appears to be the best U16 ECNL team in PA and there are a lot of former Strikers o the Penn Fusion team now. The question is why the switch? If they were weaker kids who left for more playing time then that would tilt the odds in Striker's favor. If they were stronger players who believed the ECNL offered better opportunity then that would tilt the odds the other way.

Anonymous said...

Strikers holds constant "tryouts". When a player shows up for training, the new girl next to her may take her place...if you're looking for consistency go to PF

Anonymous said...

No PF would never take on a new player if the could provide real impact. Yea sure

Anonymous said...

That's true. One of the best kids who went from Strikers to Penn Fusion was added after tryouts bringing the roster to 20. She left to play with her sister not in support of the ECNL over strikers.

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Anonymous said...

No sure what you are talking about-maybe a different player. The kid who was added after last tryouts is bigger than average. The point was that Penn Fusion adds kids after tryouts just like Strikers do with their "rolling admission" policy. The difference is that Strikers tell the bottom of the roster, after an add or two, that they will not see the field and would be better off elsewhere. Ok in part because who wants to pick up the tab for kids not playing. Penn Fusion's model is different so they keep the checks and just have the lower players on the roster rarely seeing the field. Penn Fusion isn't more loyal to players than Strikers. They are just on a different model. Its high level soccer not rec. Kids and families need tough skins to play the game at the highest levels. All but the best 5 or so kids on both teams probably experience some degree of discomfort regarding their status. Some of us chose not to play the game and keep our kids on more "consistent" teams within a more comfortable level. Penn Fusion isn't one of those.

Anonymous said...

9:39
My bad...I guess the sisters you refer to don't have the same last name

Anonymous said...

Says the dad of the big uncoordinated slow kid on the field. Don't even know the kid, but size doesn't matter unless the kid is 5'0 or under. I think the poster was trying to say Penn Fusion adds players too and kids dont just leave strikers to get into the ECNL because they believe its better. No continuity in high level soccer I agree one of the reasons many people keep their kids in the local programs.

Anonymous said...

"That's what she said"

Anonymous said...

Is it possible to have 2 true statements in one post?
PF does what PF is good at, no doubt. Agreed, continuity in-existent.
Striker players usually leave the club because they are replaced or about to be replaced.
Period!

Anonymous said...

http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/high-school-fallouts-will-u-s-soccers-new-girls-development-academy-bar-school-play/

Anonymous said...

as it should. HS does very little for the elite player other than allow her to play with some friends. Takes up a lot of time that could be spent far more efficiently - doing school work and much more focused technical work.

Anonymous said...

Jan 29th 9:10pm - does anybody know which clubs will offer Development Academy's for the girls?

Anonymous said...

Info is 1 team per state NJ PDA , NY ALB, Conn CFC, Mass Stars/NEFC, NYW Albany...

Anonymous said...

Albany is not NYW. Maybe NY Flash or Syracuse

Anonymous said...

Copa! What were you thinking when you decided to bring JRB into your organization?

Anonymous said...

Have heard rumors of the U16 Stallions losing key players. Any truth to this?

Anonymous said...

Didnt that happen a while ago?

How many are left from Crush days?

Anonymous said...

Penn Fusion is apparently running birth year ID sessions. Trying to pull in talent from the outside and take advantage of the upheaval all teams will face next year. Seems like a smart move to improve the quality of teams potentially. Any other clubs doing the same?

Anonymous said...

9:40am, a better question is what is happening at U16? 1/2 the roster is gone from a year ago.

Anonymous said...

2:38 Did not see much difference from this to last. Maybe you can answer question for us.

Anonymous said...

Jeff Cup Schedules

http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=46787&Gender=Girls&Age=16

Anonymous said...

Do people want to talk about the birth year reorganization? It impacts this age group tremendously. The 99s have to make an already formed full roster of 99/98 players to play u18/19 next year for ECNL or may be affected by a group of older mot experienced 99s dropping down to potentially take starting spots and status from the previously dominant players in the other leagues. Entire teams may play up but that has a ripple effect on other teams in the club. How is your club handling it? Which teams will play up? Which teams will reshuffle? What do you think your team will look like next season? Are they going to play u18? Looking to recruit older 99s to keep the team's competitive? Does it matter as these kids are coasting out? Does it affect the uncommitted kids? Especially 99s? Is it a recruiting advantage for uncommitted '00s? Lots of questions out there to be answered over time.

Anonymous said...

The late uncommitted 99's are really being put in a bad spot. For these players the next would typically be their year to fill secondary spots for D1 and also D2 and D3. What will be difficult is how will they be able to showcase. How to you flight what will be generally all new teams. Top teams with a history of quality play will be completely different. Kids from top teams that built a quality resume will now be playing on a completely new team with many new players. Earned opprtunities from great play become irrelevant and a player who may potentially have showcased in a top flight may find themselves showcasing in a very low bracket. This I feel is a great injustice. Flights will be now based on coach or club influence rather than resume of a team. While this already occurs many less influential clubs will be on the outside looking in. The late 99's are being unfairly hurt from a recruiting point of view. Younger players have adequate time to adapt but it may be to late for these players. And yes my daughter is in this group.

Anonymous said...

I agree the late 99s are seriously being disadvantaged through the timing of this mandate. Your best bet is to either pick a high level u16 team that is planning on playing u18 next year and keeping its got soccer points. Or possibly consider switching to a large club that can easily reshuffle with a currently strong u17 team also in case more than 50% or whatever the cutoff of the roster continuity it takes to keep the points. Unfortunately with non ecnl teams who don't have club strength the flawed got soccer points system is the only way to prevent from starting over during this critical time. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

don't mean to be rude, but by now kids should be building a PERSONAL soccer resume. The team they play on is not that big an issue. If you are still banking on being "seen" at a tournament then you need to rethink - FAST.

Anonymous said...

Not to mention that got soccer points really don't mean anything anymore since ECNL and NPL don't give them.

Anonymous said...

Yes building a personal resume is the object. The got soccer points however are important to that end because, flawed or not that system is largely used to flight tournaments. It matters to coaches the level of competition against which a player is being evaluated. Hence the got soccer points are important to an individual player's quest to play collegiate soccer. Yes bragging points are long over but that wasn't the point of the post. As far as recruitment timelines, Many of the D1 s will be signing juniors next year. To imply that a kid has missed the boat at this time is alarmist. Many programs will want to see kids through at least the fall, November and December major recruiting events before extending offers next winter to juniors. Especially true for some of the more academic D1 s. Don't let these guys panic you at this time. If your child is committed or nearly so congratulations. But there is time left for others and next year could be important for many, yet may be impacted by the age change. Which was the import of the original post.

Anonymous said...

7:18 Thank You for your reply as I believe you understood my true concern. My child is working on the personal aspect but at her level she can use the assistance of high level competition to add to her cause. Taking this one aspect away adds a component that creates an unexpected hurdle. Not knowing the level of next year's showcases clouds the picture a bit for some kids. When you pick a program, exposure opportunity is part of the equation. Would most of you be happy if after 3 years at a D1 program it was randomly changed to D3? While not quite the same, some players are having the rug pulled out from under them. Maybe It's time for some of the major showcases to speak up about how they intend to adjust for these major changes.

Anonymous said...

214
I recommend that you enter your child into the guest registry of any tournament to which her primary team is not entered and to which you believe college coaches of interest may be attending. My child has done that and it was a useful and enjoyable experience. She has gotten as much interest that way than she has through her primary team. She wrote to the schools ahead of time and told them she would be a guest with the team; that explained her not starting at times. Most of the schools were impressed that she was mature enough to show up and play well on a team with whom she had no established relationships. Good luck

Anonymous said...

last post illustrates my point. The TEAM is irrelevant. Have a plan, focus and reach out directly to the coaches of schools you are interested in. Im sorry, but any team that is on the got soccer bubble is likely NOT playing top competition anyway. The point is to show your child as a top competitor and one who would be an asset to the school of her choice. Being resourceful, is part of that. The top players, and there are very few, are heavily recruited by everyone. Almost every other kid has to try and distinguish themselves in other areas. write emails, attend camps and focus. the "im on a team with lots of GS points" part is nonsense.

Anonymous said...

You miss the point. I think we agree. The issue with the got soccer points is only one regarding tournament flight placements. No one is saying they care what the points are other than they helped assure that their kid was playing in tournament flights high enough to assure college coaches that they could play at that level. That is the only import of the points. I said if your team is starting from scratch and not being flights high enough in the short window for recruitment that is left for next year's junior 99s then consider guesting to get the exposure. We agree it's about the individual performance now. But that performance can't be adequately judged by the coaches unless the team is first even accepted to adequate tournaments and then is competing at an adequate level.
The original point was that some of the current u16s are in the last window for recruitment. This age change has shaken up teams. Yes teams because outside of camps you need a team to play on if you want to be showcased. So a kid may have been on a team with a history to put her in a place to be seen but now will have to play on a new team with no history for the important fall/ holiday tournaments. They may not even be accepted much less be flights high enough for adequate exposure. I suggested applying as a guest if that happens. Also start trying to figure out where she can play now. Do age group is sessions if available. Train with new teams. Again good luck.

Anonymous said...

Glad to see someone is rational. I was not just looking for advice but pointing out an overlooked issue from the age adjustment. I actually feel the age adjustment has merit but not considering some grandfather clauses is putting undue stress on a particular age group. Judging by the USSF response to ECNL this is right in line. US Soccer has nothing to do with education so why should they care. Somehow I think my own tax dollars are paying for this screw job.

Anonymous said...

you are the one being irrational. The move is not going to benefit all.It may help some and hurt others. No change will benefit all.Here is reality. Your daughter ability is still in her control.The team she plays on is still in her control.If she is good enough,she can have her pick of teams. I dont see the issue at all really.

Tony F said...

Breakers vs gunners

Anonymous said...

My kid has picked out two colleges with very similar academic programs. Her main criteria are curriculum & location. One is a D1, the other a D3. She has contact with both coaches & is attending specific camps that these coaches will be at. If the D1 does not work out, she’ll almost definitely get into the D3, as long as her SAT/GPA scores are sufficient.

With the path she has laid out for herself, I don’t think the reorganization will affect her. Unless a 16 year old girl changes her mind on what University she wants to attend : )

Anonymous said...

Tony F - Your Breakers are clearly a force to be reckoned with.

Anonymous said...

Are Breakers playing Gunners? No contest there!

Anonymous said...

What are the breakers ? Where are they from?

Anonymous said...

Breakers are from Clifton I think.

Anonymous said...

What do you do when choosing to attend a college I.D. camp that conflicts with a Club team game or Tournament when you know your Coach will certainly have negative repercussions? What do you do when your Coach doesn’t agree with your choice target colleges and wants you to broaden your scope a.k.a. downgrade?

Anonymous said...

I think you should do what's best for your child. The club coach is going to put his and the clubs interests first. Trust your instincts.

Anonymous said...

@955 if that is the case, then you are at the wrong Club. Play for a coach who cares for the kids. Ours does. My Child missed games to visit schools with zero repercussions.

The question above you stems from mistrust. You have to be on the same page as the Club coach and come up with a plan to get there. As far as schools, you have to be realistic. Pick a range. It is a small world, so you have to be careful about casting a really wide net and then becoming overexposed. A good club coach/DOC with experience is priceless. However they can only give advice, it is up to you to decide what you think best.

never lose sight of the fact that EDUCATION comes first.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like a sad Catch 22 in your club, if you go for what you really want and what you have worked hard for and sacrificed for, you may be benched and miss an opportunity to be seen in a future game/tournament situation. If you don’t go for what you really want you might not be seen at all by one of your top choice schools. But the kicker is, if you do get a plum offer based on your own initiative, I bet, that kind of coach you are talking about would be the first one to want to take credit for it and want a picture arm and arm.

Anonymous said...

I’m guessing 8:51’s questions are just to start a decent topic thread so I’ll bite.
There should be very few reasons a coach at this point in our kids development should be putting club team over an ID camp imo. I would hope the coach is discussing the pros & cons of each particular camp. I might understand if the coach had an issue with a particular camp because it is more of a $$$ grab as opposed to actually getting seen by recruiting coaches.

As far as repercussions, who cares? Youth soccer is just about over. Two more HS seasons in fall where the club coach has no input & maybe 2 or 3 more spring seasons including this one. I’m guessing many girls will skip or limit their spring club in their senior year.

In regards to downgrading school choice, imo, target schools on multiple levels & see what offers you get. Always allow the kids to dream big but keep a plan “B” in place.

Anonymous said...

Hi Everyone,

There is so much information regarding playing for a Univerity team, but I have been looking all over for information on the School Intramural teams. Does anyone know where I can find more information on these teams?

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

You mean the college "Club Teams". Yeah, It is hard to find information, I have been trying to find out information as well. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Anonymous said...

Posted on the u15s but may be applicable:

So we went to the Penn Fusion age group training today. About 50 kids. Most look to be Penn Fusion players with their practice shirts and gear on. About 15 kids appear to be from outside the club. They put them on a feild together and mix in a few Penn Fusion kids and play like 7v7. Tthere are about 6 coaches watching attentively and it looks legit. 4 are attentive to this group. One is with all Penn Fusion kids and another seems to be with kids who all stayed together on one field. They had black uniforms and i think I think maybe the west chester club travel kids.
Then the all Penn Fusion group comes over and they make teams of new kids versus Penn Fusion kids. The new kids look to hold their own and a few actually stand out. I am thinking wow the Penn Fusion parents are probablt pretty worried about their little Mias spot right now.

I was shocked when walking to the car my kid says, "Well the guy in charge says that there aren't any opennings on the ECNL team. That if you are not already Penn Fusion only NPL is open". WTF??? Why hold this event and have us travel over there, coaches spending their time and really watching too if it's a farce? DId anyone else's kid say this to them or did my kid lose something in translation? Should we even bother to call the club and ask what's up?

Anonymous said...

Don't bet on it. If they saw someone that they really liked and that was an upgrade to a current player they would take them in a minute. Maybe today, they did not see anyone that they felt was a true upgrade to a current player, but they are always looking for talent and will grab it when they see it.

Anonymous said...

Any good coach/club will allow a player all the flexibility in the world for an ID camp.
It should always be what is best for the player.

Word of advice. Always do what you feel is right with your player and as a player.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

8:05

I don't think the process is to call the club after an ID event. It's just a prelim to the tryout, right?

Anonymous said...

I'm curious....how many players in this age group have received full rides to college for soccer? This isn't meant to bash anyone or ridicule, I am really wondering how common it is?

Please no BS or lies, but serious info.

Thanks

Anonymous said...

definition of full rise? 100% athletic including Tuition, books, fees, living expenses and food?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, yes by full ride, I mean 100% athletic scholarship covering full tuition, room and board, books, etc. I know that it is also common to get a percentage covered of the full costs and then maybe some academic money on top of that. So I am curious for those that have committed, what exactly have they gotten. Since this is an anonymous forum, I figured people could feel comfortable sharing this info, no schools or other info needed.

Anonymous said...

From what I've pieced together through talking with others, only a very select few will know at this point in time the actual amount of assistance. It's difficult to budget out a large portion of your scholarship money to kids that might not even be able to get accepted to the school, or get hurt, change their mind, etc.

At this early stage, the majority of the kids will be offered spots on the roster, and the money will be decided at a later date, once they know what their full recruiting class looks like. While they are limited in athletic dollars, once a recruit has actually taken the SAT/ACT and applied to the school, there may be academic money available to them, which lowers the need to allocate athletic dollars to that recruit.

At some schools the amount of athletic scholarship money for a particular recruit may change over time. Someone that gets 15% as a freshman that doesn't play much may get 30% when they are a starting junior.

The other think to remember is that the 14 equivalency scholarships is the maximum limit set by the NCAA. There are many smaller D1 schools that don't have the funding to reach that limit.

Anonymous said...

2018 class full soccer rides in this area ...I will hazard a guess that it is 5 or less

Anonymous said...

1247 that's not how it goes. You don't commit as a 10th grader without knowing the athletic scholarship amount. My kid has received a 90% offer guaranteed 4 years and it was declined. Not for the amount, but I won't go into why she declined it. We know at least one kid who has a "full ride" by everyone's definition. I also know national players who accepted less than a "full ride" to big time schools. Except your closest friends, most won't discuss a personal situation like scholarship amounts. I also found out that you might be lied to by proud parents. One person told me his child had a "full ride" to a school and then when we visited the school, we were told no "full rides" offered. My niave and assertive kid pipes in, "well what about ---?" To which the slightly startled coach said, "like I said no full rides".

Anonymous said...

3:19 I am guessing then that your player is committed?

I know of players who say they have close to a full ride, but that doesn't mean the money is all coming from the athletic side. I think that some families might want others to assume it did, but for instance, this one player is getting athletic money and was told from their pre-read to expect close to a full ride with academic money making up the difference.

I am curious as to the level of program vs these full rides. I am under the impression that ivy doesn't give athletic money?

I was also told that GK are definitely recruited heavier and can expect more of the pie, so to speak, than field players. Wonder if there is truth to that?

Anonymous said...

If your out of pocket payment to your school of choice is $0, I would consider it a full ride no matter where the money comes from. Academic money helps schools spread out more athletic money to more players. Coaches want the most bang for their buck. It would be crazy for them not to combine athletic and academic if they can.

Anonymous said...

Right

In other words - you could be getting 25 academic, allowing for the coach to use just a 3/4 on you, where if you werent good enough academically for the 25 the coach would have given you the FULL athletic.

Dont get caught up in the bragging - heck, wouldnt you actually prefer if half was for smarts?

Anonymous said...

This anonymous forum allows for more potential truth. We do not flaunt our child's success and no other players parents know what her deal is. I am guessing that's the norm. Our experience with a fairly accomplished player is that the lower level top conference teams were offering her more. Of course we were not surprised. Our other less accomplished player, similarly, but at a playing level below, was getting a higher percentage of athletic money from schools that were in lesser conferences. Not surprising: Lower level team, that sees her as an immediate impact player will see your kid as more valuable and pay more. Its pretty logical actually. Even most, but not all, of the national players are not getting full rides with athletic money. General premise, if your kid is expected to be a freshmen starter on any fully funded program, she will get a lot of money.

Anonymous said...

I don't care as much about the bragging.

It's just misleading to others when trying to understand the whole recruiting/scholarship process. Whether a player would or would not have gotten 100% athletic could very well be supposition on the parents part.

My question was really how much athletic money players get on average from schools. In other words, if your player was told they could get anywhere from 50-75% during talks, possibly up to 90% depending...trying to gauge if that's a typical offer, a good offer or actually low?

Obviously it's like any "market" your worth is what people are willing to "pay" but when you are first starting out in this whole process and all you hear about are "full rides" it's hard to understand what is real and what has become just a major brag fest.

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