We seem to have all but forgotten that the 15's did not succeed in winning a national championship.
Watched some of the games on the USYSA network. http://championships.usyouthsoccer.org/live/Some of the best players on Legends and La Roca- Olivia Wade number 10 La Roca is really great. I thought she was the best quality player on the field. TopHat's superstar was pretty quiet. Our region 1 Strikers don't seem to have a special player and the rest weren't quite good enough collectively to push it over the bar. They lost the midfield battles more often than not. I thought their midfield was stronger when I have seen them in the past. I think they may have some injuries weakening them. There is a roster freeze in effect for the finals. Did they pick up a special player during the tryout season? Did they make the adds to bring the collective level up to the national challenge? There were kids on the bench in yellow pinnies with alternate uniforms on. Suggests that maybe they have some new players.The Strikers have the best chance in region 1 next year to bring it again since the rumor is that FC VA won't be participating in USYSA programs with their A teams. They did not bring the A team to regionals instead sending them to Seattle. They may play their A team in the national league next year. If they finish top 2 they will go to nationals. Will be interesting to see how that unfolds.Top Hat out of USYSA next year to ECNL. They definitely struggled without their really strong center mid pulling the strings. Will be very interesting to see how they fare in the ECNL. Might answer some questions regarding the relative strength of the ECNL versus USYSA.
YMS Xplosion U16s may not have won the National Championship (again), but according to the YMS website, the "YMS Pride" made it to the Final of National Cup in Indiana recently.What confuses me is that no where on any of the National Cup websites does it ever mention "YMS Pride". All I keep on seeing is Arsenal FC of PA. Did they merge or something?
Arsenal fc is a paw team Pittsburgh area
YMS Applied to the tournament and then lost it's players, Arsenal took their spot with the remaining YMS players going along. Can't imagine a cross-state merger making sense or working out but crazier things have happened. YMS Pride is depleted and Arsenal FC is also losing players to Riverhounds. If the only option is to merge then I guess that's what will happen. Can't imagine YMS agreeing to do this and losing their name/brand. Egos involved way too big - in addition to the fact that there would be two head coaches, two assistants, two mgrs, etc.
"YMS Pride" no longer exists. More than half the team went to Patriot FC, the rest merged with the existing Arsenal team from PA-W.
Look who got the points for that tournament- Arsenal, not YMS Pride. Another premier team done at YMS - Pride no longer exists.
This is what happened to word classFC 99 when half the tea and the coach went to albertson. They beceme 2 average teams when they split and they were really great. Usysa loses another decent team. Gk to PDA. Ate others looking to ecnl? I know bucks lost their superstar national player to PDA and I heard another. There are probably some openings there. Last year for D1 recruiting.
@ 723 Would love to know who your child plays for, but WCFC are far from average. They had a winning record vs all the top teams this year except FC Stars. That includes PDA. They have some really top tier players. You cannot compare the two situations at all
They are a shadow of their former selves. They still have RJ who keeps them competitive, but they are nothing like the previous team that truly was one of the dominant teams in the country. The Northeast was very level on talent. WCFC tied last place Penn Fusion 2-2. No team was world beater including PDA and FC Stars. Wotness their champions league results
WC were great at u10 thru u12.
They remained dominant through u14
Congrats to the two NJ players attending the u16 camp @ Chula Vista this weekend !
So the Pride players guest played for Arsenal FC at the US Club National Cup? Or did they actually merge to form a new team? If Arsenal is getting the points, it would seem as though the YMS Pride has essentially folded. From what others have written and taken with a grain of salt, that leaves YMS with only 1 premier team on the entire girls side?As for a merger, I can't imagine this benefits the the former Pride players or families at all. Pittsburgh and YMS are on opposite sides of the state which hinders any type of consistent team training or evaluation by coaches. Not to mention the burden it's going to put on families with all that traveling.
9:12- that appears to be the case and agree. I guess they feel it was their best option, pretty much telling the other YMS U15 teams that their players aren't good enough or developed enough to compete at the Premier level which is contrary to what they preach. Such a shame what happened, the Pride team was very good and getting better- all destroyed. You don't cross those in charge or dare step outside the "YMS Way" despite the fact that there were wins, player development, and overall improvement. The girls all lost in this.
Two young ladies from NJ included in US U-16 Team:http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2015/07/29/15/07/150729-u16gnt-august-otc-campCHICAGO (June 29, 2015) – The Under-16 Girls’ National Team will hold a training camp from Aug. 1-9 at the Olympic Training Center in Chula Vista, California, that will feature 24 players.This will be the third camp of the year for the U-16 GNT, which features 21 players born in 2000 and three born in 2001.The U-16 camp will be run by Women’s Development Coach Tricia Taliaferro, who is U.S. Soccer’s main scout for the ’00 birth year. All of the players in this camp are age-eligible for the next FIFA U-17 Women’s World Cup in 2016, but the main birth year for that tournament is 1999.This age group is in a two-year cycle that will graduate the players to the U-18 and then the U-20 WNT with the goal of playing in the 2020 FIFA Under-20 Women’s World Cup.U.S. U-16 GNT Roster by Position:GOALKEEPERS (3): Katherine Asman (Tophat SC; Roswell, Ga.), Hensley Hancuff (Oklahoma FC; Edmond, Okla.), Katie Meyer (Eagles SC; Newbury Park, Calif.)DEFENDERS (7): Maycee Bell (Sporting FC Blue Valley; Wichita, Kans.), Emily Crocco (Richmond United; Midlothian, Va.), Margot Ridgeway (Match Fit Academy; Fair Haven, N.J.), Skylar Smith (SoCal Blues; Coto de Caza, Calif.), Julietta Thron (Albertson Fury; Caldwell, N.J.), Madeline Vergura (FC Stars of Mass.; Concord, Mass.), Kennedy Wesley (SoCal Blues; Rossmoor, Calif.)MIDFIELDERS (7): Ravin Alexander (Ohio Elite; Fairfield, Ohio), Corianna Dyke (Colorado Rush; Littleton, Colo.), Sierra Enge (Carlsbad Elite; Cardiff, Calif.), Brianna Martinez (New Mexico Rush; Albuquerque, N.M.), Kylie Minamishin (Honolulu Bulls; Mililani, Hawaii), Ashlynn Serepca (Carolina Rapids; Cornelius, N.C.), Kali Trevithick (Crossfire Premier; Sammamish, Wash.)FORWARDS (7): Croix Bethune (Concorde Fire; Alpharetta, Ga.), Lia Godfrey (Oklahoma FC; Edmond, Okla.), Sophie Hirst (Crossfire Premier; Seattle, Wash.), Nohemi Mendoza (Heat FC; Las Vegas, Nev.), Allison Schlegel (Colorado Storm; Parker, Colo.), Sophia Smith (Real Colorado; Fort Collins, Colo.), Brooke Wilson (San Diego Surf; Vista, Calif.)
Hmmm but one NJ girl off...
@1043 Don't know what you mean. These camps are to get a look at kids. Don't think they look at the way you do. Big pool of kids 80+. They cant all go to camp every time.
Quite likely that 10:43's daughter is not attending a US National camp, does that deserve a Hmmm. You know what they say, "Those that can, do. Those that can't criticize"
Is Beachwood breaking up? Three of their players went to PDA Shore and one to toms River Everton. Its a shame very good team!
No disrespect but, Beachwood is not a very good team, they compete well at the lower level and that's about it. The team will never get invited to any of the major tournaments on the East Coast. Girls who left will get a chance to play at a higher level and also experience the competition at some of these high level tournaments, it remains to be seen if they will be able to compete at that level. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. The Brentwood coach is very animated and doesn't teach good soccer, typical Daddy coach. Good luck to girls moving on to new teams.
Where are all the PDA players on the U 16 team??
They are at the NIke national training event
They were at the Nike camp 8/1 is the travel day.
Oh yes, two PDA girls at national camps out of 5 teams. Money well spent.
There will be more camps. Don't understand the negativity towards PDA. The top players in this age group are in the U-17 pool with a World Cup on the horizon. No shame in being a National Pool player and no shame in not going to every camp.
check out this roster!! The longest roster I have even seen!!! LOL http://home.gotsoccer.com/rankings/team.aspx?teamid=354894
Wait until his daughter does not play much at PDA and see how animated he gets. Oi vey!
Whose daughter? Which PDA team A, B, C, D, or E LOL!!
Those who can, do, those who can't, criticize
FYI my daughter played at the highest level and she was not on the C or D team but on the A top team and received only 1/3 of her college tuition so if you are in in for the Scholarship money is not worth your time. WE did a lot such as travel all over the country and go to the highest tournaments. So i have earned the right to critique someone who is on a C or D team. Got it!!
What do you think about a team mgr altering tournament rosters retroactively, removing girls who actually played in the tournaments, in an effort to try and keep team points from transferring? A bit slimy, no?
I think i know what team you are talking about. They seem to have jumped from 25th ranked to top 10. Wow!! That's low
So wait,a team manager went into the team roster and changed it after a tournament was over all for the sake of got soccer points? Can you say GET A LIFE??!! Is this the YMS team that had a bunch of players leave or is this a different team. Either way sounds like those players were smart in getting away from a deceptive cheat like that!
and doing this achieves what ?
Unfortunately these types of tactics are encouraged and supported along the river in PA. Erasing the past prevents points from moving with the bulk of the starters that left. It's a shame that the girls who earned these points have to fight for them. Sad
Does his name happen to rhyme with Bob Shitlock?
Maybe your daughter should have studied harder and got the grades to get the other 2/3 of the tuition. Thats where the money is earned. In the classroom. The pitch is just gravy. just sayin.
The whole YMS thing is indeed sad and there is no justifying what has been reported to have happened with the gotsoccer points. But the fact that the "starters" repeatably come on this blog and attack their previous team/club says a lot about their character.What good can possible come of it?Most will understand and support a parents decision to independently leave a team/club thinking it is in the best interest of their daughter but there is no justification for any attempt to cause harm to what other parents may believe is in the best of their daughters.Remember it was your decision to leave, accept it as the right decision, stop living in the past and make the best of the opportunities ahead of you.There is more shame in the actions of the "starters" then that of the manager.
11:00 pmIt is indeed a sad situation. However I don't know that the YMS players that left are actually airing out what has transpired between them and YMS here on this blog. If you were completely informed of all that those players have endured you would certainly understand any "bashing" or ill will they may feel towards YMS and the individuals representing that club. I assure you that they can hold their heads up high on here and in public has having integrity and a strong moral compass and I can also assure that cannot be said by this team manager and certain YMS infividuals.This blog is filled with some pretty terrible things being said about so many teams and clubs and even individual players, I am surprised that you could even question the character of those individuals that left YMS. Any bits of information on here that give small insights into what they have endured have only been a small portion of what is written on here on a daily basis about others
Unfortunately, this type of thing is an epidemic in youth sports. People who volunteer for "Boards" or to be the "Team Manager" often do so for selfish reasons and power, rather than to help the club or help the team. Many Team Managers are parents of marginal players, who try to make themselves indispensable, ensuring that their kid is guaranteed a roster spot year after year. When things don't go their way, they take their ball and go home. And while they're at it, they might as well wreak as much havoc for everyone else in their path. It's truly a shame for those affected, but a life lesson nonetheless. These kids will run across plenty of these types of unethical characters throughout their lifetimes. Hopefully for them, karma is a real thing, and will restore the balance.
Seems to me that everyone should move on from this YMS Pride mess. Adults made bad decisions and egos and power trips have destroyed a very good team with very good players. Here's hoping that lessons are learned. YMS should accept the fact that they drove away some very good players and destroyed another team in their Premier program. Allow those that left to be free and do what is right as opposed to creating unnecessary barriers, obstacles and pettiness. Accept that people stood up to your tactics and were strong enough to do something about it. Parents who left, look forward. Time to get ready for u16 season.
There are those that "volunteer" truly because they want to help out and make a difference. Thank you for all that you do. Then there are those that "volunteer" with alterior motives. Often times, you will see the latter being parents of lessor players and/or in the hip pocket of the coach or club leadership. I understand why you do what you do but don't do it to the detriment of others.
The issue at hand is not what YMS did or did not do but rather the use of this blog by some to exact some sort of revenge.The repeated attempts to bring about harm to their previous club/team clearly demonstrates the character of some but not necessarily all of the "starters". The fact that this blog contains similar posts about other clubs, teams and individuals should not be mistaken as an endorsement of the same. They are all equally shameful.There is no integrity to posts encouraging the folding of a team, inciting the end to a club's program, celebrating the misfortune of other teams from within the club, professing sibling retaliation, attacking club volunteers, etc. To be fair, there is something very wrong with those who participate in this type of behavior. They are sick, likely emotionally disturbed and perhaps a bit insane.
If the team is currently in existence than GS points should not transfer even if half the team leaves to create or join another team. The GS points were rewarded to the team/coach so to carry those points with the players that leave is truly wrong. Now if the team dis-banded and majority of the team 50% per GS moved to a new club then GS points should transfer. Read the GS rules about points transferring.
10:56 am. Your post is insanely funny. Thank you for my morning giggle!!If you don't like pretty much 90% of this blog then you are free to not read it however because you are here and you are reading posts by people you have deemed to be not worthy of your superior quality of character I ask you, who is actually the one insane?Have a great day! We will miss you on this blog :-)
11:19 I agree with you on the points. The only way I believe the points should transfer is if the YMS team is no longer a team. If the players that stayed with YMS now become part of the Pittsburgh team then that becomes a different issue. Then I do believe the points go with the majority of the players who earned them. I don't really understand the concern about the points though. If this new team is as good as they should be then they will earn their own resume quickly enough to not need anything from the YMS club. The only thing I think is concerning is the interference the YMS club has had in trying to block all efforts of these players to leave the club. That is odd to me. Teams break up often so why are they making such a big stink about it right now? For the points...that's silly. Personally I think gotsoccer should tell them both. No points for either of you! You both need to start fresh!
11:19 you appear to have all of the answers but you seem to be mistaken on the GS rules. Before professing to be the expert and referring folks to the rules, you should know them yourself. 3) My team has recently split up and two team were formed from the players. Who gets to keep the points? We award those points to the team that meets the following requirements:Their current roster has at least 50% of the players from the team in questionThe players from the team that has split up make up at least 50% of their current rosterORTheir current roster has at least 60% of the players.If there's a very close split we will also take into consideration when the players were added to the previous roster and how that relates to the points in question. For example, if a few players who are now contributing to the current roster were added to the previous one in May, but all the points accumulated were from events held earlier in the season, we will not consider them as part of the roster when making the decision.The coach is not considered a player. The coach is only taken into consideration in the event of an even split, with both teams having 50% of the original players. The points would go with the team that also kept the coach. If the coach is no longer with either team then neither of the teams will receive the history. If no team is eligible for points then neither team will keep the points.
I think 1119 is just making a point if the coach and some players are still in existence with the club that attributed to the points it's there's to keep. If the team split into two and are not longer with the club and are with 2 different clubs then no points to either. Does it really matter anyway they are U16 there playing days of chasing points are almost over let them enjoy high school and there final years. Everyone should just move on and stop the chest pounding about points.Not for all for not being a ECNl club YMS has done a good job on keeping competitive at least for most of there teams.
12:07 I agree with everything you say about the points. The only thing I disagree with is the club part. YMS actually does a great job in training players at the younger ages but seems to have a big problem when they reach the competitive level. They don't have a history of strong teams. In fact there only two highly successful teams are the two teams coached by the same coach. Beyond that the teams are mid level teams. That's surprising to me. Why is it that the club can train well, have one or two successful teams (only coached by one person) and that's it? I find that odd. One could argue that a club as large as it is should be doing a much better job at the competitive level. As far as this YMS drama in here. I'm getting tired of hearing it
Enough of the YMS talk they are done let's move on the shady, corrupt way of how it all went down and handle in GS can never be undone. Let's talk about how PDA doesn't even care about GS points but everyone knows they are tops in the country, how is that without GS points.
Pretty Darn Arrogant
Regardless of how you feel about Got Soccer points, rankings and history, the fact of the matter is that top tournaments use those for acceptance and placement. At U16, there's not a hell of a lot of time to build up a history. So, yeah, it's kind of a big deal.
Whether you think it arrogant or choose to be ignorant, Gotsoccer points are becoming increasingly irrelevant at the highest levels of youth soccer. The USDA doesn't use them and, for the most part, the ECNL is moving away from them as well.For new teams such as that which the YMS players are looking to form, Gotsoccer points, ranking and history could be very beneficial in gaining acceptance into some of the top tournaments and leagues for the 2015/16 season.It appears as if this new team has fallen short of meeting the 50% roster requirement necessary to be awarded the points.In retrospect, leaving a club in hopes of finding new players and risking potential recruiting opportunities that would otherwise be afforded to a group of talented U16 girls seems rather uncalculated or perhaps just misguided.
The P retty D arn A rrogant was obviously a shot at PDA
The players who left do have the required amount for the got soccer points. Last time I checked 9 out of 16 is a majority :)
How perceptive 553! You must be a PDA parent?!
5:34 Your reference to the UDSA, must be because they treat players like pieces of meat.
LOL - Yes, the second "S" in USSDA was deliberately omitted to provide you with an opportunity to make exactly that comparison.
Most unfortunate that you transposed the "S" and "D" in USDA essentially missing out on making it REALLY funny :)
This GS points argument shows how well the ECNL works. No need to worry about GS points or getting into the top flight at major tournaments.
Even funnier is that the Pretty Darn Arrogant post was a shot at those who believe starting a new team is the solution to their problems.
8:42 am.... And funnier still is that you must be one of those bitter YMS parents causing trouble because anyone else wouldn't care what those parents did leaving the team. Now please take the YMS drama somewhere else. We are all tired of hearing about it.
It's OK for the "starters" to direct negative comments towards their old club/team but when the table is turned its tiresome drama that should go away - you hypocrite!!!
NP and remember there is no such thing as bad publicity.
11:34: Just an FYI, I am not affiliated with the YMS team or the team the "starters" left to go to, all I know is what I read on here and I am getting really tired of the back and forth on this blog.I am not sure all of you geniuses realize that there are other teams that play soccer and not all of us give a rat's $$$ about what happened on your team.Here is my summary based on what I've read on here:YMS TEAM BROKE UP- GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON! STOP using this forum for your drama. Yes, it sounds like YMS behaved horribly, YES, leaving to form a new team might NOT have been the best decision and probably short sighted based on the timing. BUT NO ONE HERE TRULY CARES.You are all basically like a train wreck. We will watch and see what happens but no one wants to truly be involved in your clean up.Here's the deal, I hope NO ONE gets to keep your points on got soccer. I hope you BOTH have to start over and deal with the consequences. I think BOTH sides have behaved like children. I am sure there is more to the story than what is being posted here. But I really don't think this is the right place to air out your grievances. This is YOUTH SOCCER.
Amen! So who are the top three teams to beat at u16?
Okay we got it we will drop the drama! lol Good luck to all..
Well for what it's worth. I feel bad for the players that left yms bc its gotta suck having to go and make the decision to leave and have to fight with their former team constantly. I know they made the decision to leave and break up a team but....I don't get the nastiness they have been receiving either. Sadly it's a lesson learned.....certain organizations can do just about anything here in youth soccer and it's really not about the players. Not surprising but still sadNow as far as the top three u16 teams..is this region one top three or overall??
NEFCPENN STRIKERS GUNNERSFC VIRGINIA STARS OF MASSMATCH FIT ECNLSYRACUSE DEVELOPMENT ACADEMY ARSENAL FC (PAW)I would consider these teams top teams in Region 1, There are quality teams besides those but would be considered second tier. I may have left a team or two out but not considering Gotsoccer Points, teams listed above are consistently good against teams across the country. Please don't mention Coppa,Breakers,TR,Pride,SDFC in the same breath as teams mentioned, they are good locally and that's not taking any shots at them but, that's the truth. Let's debate!
World Class beat Matchfit 5-2 and 4-0 and the games were not that close. Went 2-1 vs PDA this year. I don't think you can leave them out of any discussion.
Are we talking real regular teams, or bought and paid for super teams. Not taking any shots at them, but thats the truth. Lets debate!
I did say I may have left a team or two out, you are correct about WC. You can call them what you want, as kids get older and the cream rises to the top, kids move on to more competitive teams. I didn't knock the second tier teams but, they are what they are at this point and that is fine. Copa has a big cost, Breakers have a big cost, TR is low and they do very well locally. None of those teams compete on a National level or do well at major tournaments. Nothing wrong with that but I was just stating top teams in Region, there is a level for all teams. The question was top 3 teams, I just listed a few more.
WC also tied Penn Fusion. More inconsistent than the top teams. They are 100% dependent on their striker. Will be interesting to see how they do this year when teams man mark her with a fast centerback
Ok then. How about we rate the top strata teams and have a complete different column for the town and or lower strata teams. Lets debate!
@848 100pct dependent? Not at all. If WC play their best XI they are as good as any team you mention. The other teams may be a bit deeper, but you cannot tell me a team that lost to WC twice by those margins is better.
Wonder how many kids you can find who can man mark and have speed? And do you think that teams have not tried that already? Will be more interesting to see if WC add a few more players.They could gate crash your party in a big way.
You must be the parent of the striker .
SDFC just made NL so lets see how they compete nationally.
Under-16 Girls SAC United Premier Maryland Region ISDFC Panthera New Jersey Region IFC Penn Strikers Eastern Pennsylvania Region IMidwest United FC 00 Royal Michigan Region IICUP Gold 99/00 Ohio - South Region IIFCKC Pink Panthers Elite Missouri Region IICleveland FC Ohio - North Region IITennessee SC 18 Tennessee Region IIIUnited FA 00 Premier Georgia Region IIISolar Chelsea Elite 00 Texas - North Region IIILA Galaxy SB Elite California - South Region IVSparta 00 Premier KL Utah Region IVAlbion SC White California - South Region IVLa Roca Premier PO Utah Region IVLegends 99 California - South Region IVCarlsbad Elite 99 California - South Region IV
No. My kid has played for WC for years.
My guess is SDFC will struggle in National League, they had trouble @ Region 1 Championship and couldn't make it to final four. I take my hat off to the team for taking the route they are taking and ultimately competing against very good competition. It will only make them better when it's all said and done. There are some very good teams in National League, teams from out West are legitimate. Good Luck to all!
That is a testament to the poor quality of the national league The Strikers are an excellent team. But they will not see much competition except for the region 4 teams. It is a shame that there are no "at large" spots in the ECNL. I personally think they should take 1 per division. If they could play ECNL then they would see more consistent competition. Even Penn Fusion played the top ECNL teams tough this year. There was much more consistent competition just in the 2.5 region 1 area divisions of the ECNL compared to the National League in total.
I also think it doesn't matter if SDFC struggles, as long as they compete they will do well. They exposure they will get competing at National League events will out weigh anything else.
Blame that on the ECNL, it's structured to protect there teams from falling to Non ECNL teams in a league environment. There are several ECNL teams that are 2nd and 3rd tier teams, there are several Non ECNL teams that would compete at the top if several ECNL divisions and make for better competition across the board but that will never happen. Can't knock National League, if you look at National Championship final 8 in this age group, those teams would compete against the best ECNL teams out there. At the end of the day, it's about College exposure at this point so it really doesn't matter, wish they would get it right for the future of competitive youth soccer. It's a little to late for this age group.
Looks like Europa took a hit at try-outs. Both keepers and 2 of their best field players gone. The call of the ECNL and Strikers Free model beating down the local USYSA clubs. In addition to the top keeper and a strong field player from Europa, 2 Strikers are listed on the Penn Fusion ECNL page. One was one of the Strikers top players, but has a twin on the Penn Fusion team. Don't think that one starter's change to ECNL means that Strikers are fleeing to ECNL for lack of competition/exposure. These three should make an impact on the Penn Fusion team. Probably get them out of the basement, but not to Champions League. Dropping the U17 national player down to age would definitely change the game, but that won't happen. The Europa midfielder will fill the shoes of the one who left and the Strikers should remain the best team in PA Especially after the Bucks player's leaving for NJ/PDA. PDA got a lot stronger with the addition of the U16 NT player. They needed a creative midfielder on that roster. They will probably top the division. Matchfit, like WC, is largely dependent on their top of the age chart 2017 grad striker. I am guessing that WC has figured out how to mark her out of the game. Who did WC pick up?
Only the top 4 national league teams would compete well in the ECNL. Even Penn Fusion beat a champions league team or 2 at PDA with a couple of their new kids playing. The ECNL is getting more and more consistent as kids move from USYSA to ECNL. FC VA was the only ECNL team that regularly met USYSA competition and won everything. Only reason they didn't go to nationals instead of FC Penn was that they sent the B team to West Va while the A team played in Seattle and went 2-1. That decision tells you which league is more competitive and a better opportunity. The Panthera inclusion in the national League is telling as to the overall level. Tophat is ECNL so the only quality teams come out of Region IV and FC Penn. Region 4 should get additional spots its that unbalanced.
I'm not so sure that too many Region 1 teams applied for NL, based on who's there. SDFC is good, but I wouldn't consider them at the same level as, FC Penn or most of the Region IV teams. SAC from Maryland is pretty average, so there must not have been a lot of entries. I've seen most of the Region IV teams, and they are consistent, and are very sound.As far as the National League, I'm not sure what you gain from that, since their only events are CASL and Disney (or LV), which most of the other top teams will be at anyway.
Thoughts on NPL and the level of play there?
10:02AM - I would really hope Penn Fusion can get out of the basement. No reason for them not to finish at least ahead of Continental. All other age groups doing much better. Director of coaching left the team after last season. Finishing last in their conference means they probably will get placed against weaker ECNL competition at the showcase events.
Yes I am sure that failure bothers him. That team headed down hill last year fast under his watch. I heard they added 5-6 players most of whom should start. At least 3 former FC PA kids. I know one is a stud. Also a few quality players from Europa and the PA state and region 1 ODP team. 6 new starters is pretty much a new team. Also a national pool u15 played up at Seattle and PDA. They were respectable by late spring at PDA where they beat a champions league team. They won't let that team struggle like that again ; heard the new coach is well respected. Also a question of what's up with bucks after they lost a couple impact players.
Bucks lost 2 to pda (national star and goalie) and 1 main scorer to match fit. As far as I know they only gained 2 average players. Could have some trouble this year
That sounds like Bucks is in trouble. What's up with Continental? I know they got a couple adds from Europa and YMS in the middle of the year. Any new players to make a difference? They seemed like the most improved PA ECNL team While Match Fit was much improved in NJ. NY was interesting because of WCFC nose dive. Alby despite their WC adds were close to the same. EM got some new kids from LI town teams who are solid and will likely up the EM level. Bethesda has really declined since the younger ages. McLean is looking to challenge FC VA. Breakers are pathetic and Stars are overrated. CFC is getting better and FSA is up and comingWith YMS divided and Europa gutted who will challenge Strikers in region 1? NEFC beat them up at PDA. They will likely see each other on occasion in tournaments. I actually think the national league hurts the Strikers. Save the couple games against the region 4 teams they will meet weak competition. They would have seen more consistent competition in the top bracket at Disney and CASL. CASL will be full of ECNL teams and would have liked to have seen what Strikers do against them.NPL is generally weak with the notable exception of NEFCMost of the ECNL B teams are pretty bad. The bubble players that can't make the ECNL team won't stay and play NPL. PDA is a little different. There are some good players mixed in on their secondary teams. But most bubble ECNL players will go to teams like Europa just a bit of a level down. Of course the solar Chelsea b team is in the national league. Hard to argue USYSA isn't now the JV league.If Penn Fusion added 6 where did the cut players go or are they carrying one of those ECNL huge rosters? Europa seems to get some of the PF bubble players. Big rosters create team chemistry issues no matter what the bubble players were told at tryouts. Some might quit and shore up some of the weakened USYSA teams like Europa and YMS, but the overall level of these teams is declining as kids look to the ECNl. This was the last year for big changes.
And also regarding bucks, 1 non starter left for patriot fc.
Strikers will play FC Stars at WAGS. Will be in top bracket at Bethesda and Jeff Cup in addition to National League games at CASL and Disney. The competition will be fine. Sounds like some are a little obsessed with that team. Enough competition to go around for everyone. Stikers get some of the best training in the country and that is what it is really all about. Developing young athletes for the next level.
If the training is so great why are they cutting kids who have played with the team for 3 years to replace with kids coming from teams supposedly inferior training. The training is probably great but just as good can be found at many teams. A little sensitive? Their model is unique and will invite scrutiny. It is clear that they don't have all of the best players in the area when they once cornered the market on ALL of the best players. Without a doubt this is due to the ECNL competition. They just lost one of the best to an ECNL team.
I have no ties to the Strikers but am a fan of the way their team operates. That is the model that all top clubs should follow in my opinion. Parents shouldn't have to pay crazy dollars for soccer. Why is it that on the boys side that several clubs follow the same model. As far as teams cutting kids, that's life and as you get older it gets worse. There is always someone that may perhaps be better than a particular player looking to take your spot. It happens in high school, College and so on. They are not the only team looking to better the bottom portion of there team, most highly competitive teams in any sport do that. I read several days ago that the very good player that left did so because her sister already played for Penn Fusion in same age, for the parents it only makes sense. I have followed the Strikers for years, even before this group of kids, the way they place kids in college speaks volumes. My only problem with Strikers os that I have a 97 kid and missed the boat.
It is great training but no better than you get at many other clubs. They took a kid from the PDA B team and kids who have been with the team for 3 years are gone so maybe the training isn't so much better than elsewhere. The free model is of course the major hook. Fortunately many people are delusional about their kids abilities and think they will always be in the top 5 on the team- so no drama. But understand that if your kid is not at the top end of the roster, then she might end up playing few minutes or not at all at major recruiting events. How does that look to a coach she invited? Also can be cut at any time during the year. Including after tryouts are complete. How is it going into u16 not knowing where a player is going to play during this critical time? If you and your player are good with the downside, the upside can be very good. Still think the competition is overall much better in the ECNL, and last year they didnt see as strong competition since for some unknown reason they didn't go to Disney and went to Vegas rather than WAGS which also conflicted with Jeff cup. Fortunately making it to nationals and through the generosity of PDA allowing non ECNL teams in their events, they probably got good enough exposure. I wonder when we will start hearing about their committments?This is the first team that they dont get all the best players in the area. In fact none of their players have even been invited into a national camp. The model isnt completely trunping the ECNL
No the Strikers are not trumping ECNL, but at the same time the PA ECNL clubs in this age group have under performed compared to other age groups because of the Strikers as well as other quality options. I am happy this area has an abundance of very good choices for our kids. And that should be what this discussion is all about. Not destroying one team or one method for the sake of your team or what you feel is best for your child. Those that want to bash the ECNL don't do it based on lack of exposure or competition, but rather based on the expense. Many kids still cannot afford the ECNL and all the travel it involves. Strikers give these kids and families an affordable option. Is their model perfect? No. But then again no one has the perfect system and the ECNL is far from perfect too. I would say PDA is the strongest club in our area, but you don't have to read much on this site to see that they have some issues also. No club is perfect, but what is great is we have many clubs and teams in this area doing everything they can to raise the level of play of girls soccer in this country. We should embrace that rather than attacking this team over that team and so on.
Come on! It is so much more fun attacking teams! And talking about how Team A lost this player and that player to Team B and only replaced them with "average" players. And then Team C lost a "stud" to Team D, but only managed to add a B team player. How else can parents stroke their ego's? This blog is for parents to attack everyone else, so they can feel better about themselves. It is cheaper and more rewarding than seeing a Shrink.
Agree there is a standoff that is resulting in all of the PA teams in this age group being diluted pretty badly. Put the top 2-6 players from the 3 ECNL teams and Strikers on one team and then there would be a team to compete nationally. I think at this time that Strikers are the best team in PA. However, looking forward to seeing the Penn Fusion team play with their new adds and hoping that they get out of the basement. Unfortunately it seems they might be replaced by Bucks. All teams probably picked up a player or two over the tryout season. We know PDA got a ringer.
9:20 agreed. It's certainly not the kids writing down lists of "top teams" in Region 1. I can tell you that some of the teams which the author so conveniently dismissed as being "local" only, have played those ECnl teams to one point games. And I am sure if anyone bothered to go back and look at game history this past season, you will find a complicated mix of wins and losses between most of the Reguon 1 teams. It's the author's own insecurities only, that he is trying to neatly compartmentalize a handful of teams.
@ 3:37, the score in a lot of games does not dictate how the game was played. I have seen several local teams play ECNL teams or very good quality non ECNL teams and come away with a 1 goal game but only possessed the ball 10% of the game. Let's be real, no one is taking any shots at so called local teams. I didn't read authors post that way, on any given day any team can compete with anyone but..... can locals teams compete with top tier teams listed on a consistent basis and get good results or perhaps even out time of possession and shots on goal. I have seen many of games where shot on goal differential is 15-20 to 2 and game ends 1-0. No shots at local teams some compete very well.
After PA Strikers and PDA Gunners, regardless of league, the next 10-12 teams could play each other 10 times and each win 5. If your kid is a good player and you, along with them, make the right contacts, they will get noticed by college coaches. A national champion will not come from region 1 in this age group.
4:08 last time I checked, games were won by points not possession. Your point is taken, but misguided a bit perhaps. Fancy footwork is nice to watch but the best freestyler is not the best team players. Indie cowie, for example, left UNC soccer to do her free styling stuff after freshman year. I have yet to see a single Messi amongst the ECnl teams we have faced, and until that time that one appears, holding possession without scoring goals doesn't amount to much except for parents posting on this blog.
@417 Your desperation to place certain teams above others is not supported by any facts. None of the teams you mention have dominated the group. On any given day,there are at least 6 teams that really cant be separated, especially if you said play your best 11 players. But lets face it, that is not only pointless, but not good for the kids or the families that all pay for the chance to play. So keep fantasizing about who is better if it makes your day more enjoyable.
5:57: Indie Cowie left UNC because of a torn ACL, and was advised by physicians that another injury could mean not only the end to her soccer career, but her freestyle career as well. Since she can support herself on her freestyle career as well as a Nike endorsement, she chose freestyling. But, I do tend to agree with your point.
If you look at results, both PA Strikers and PDA Gunners can be beaten, and not always by elite teams. After seeing a lot of teams play in the region, NEFC is clearly the best I've seen with FC Virginia as a close second.
Gu16 SDFC Panthera (reigning NJYS State Champions) still have a couple of open roster spots available for the upcoming year. The team, coached by Ashley Hammond will play in the USYS National League (http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/national_league), Region 1, EDP and premier showcasing events.This will be supported by a year round training program focused on preparing the players for collegiate soccer.For further information and to enquire about training opportunities, please email firstname.lastname@example.org
I've been away for quite a bit the past month.I'll just jump in on the GS stuff since everyone is dying to offer an opinion (myself included).The only REAL value I see to GS is the head to head competition record. It does not tell all but it does give you a sense of strength with each team.Obviously anecdotal but I get a real sense that the top 5-7 teams are in fact the strongest. Probably the strongest however which way they came about this strength. Teams #8-60 you get a sense are more closely matched though some head-head match-ups provided unbalanced results but based on actual outcome you do see #40's beating #20's, and #30's beating #12's at different points. POINTS matter to some tournament directors, parents, a few players (i imagine) and Got Soccer themselves. Each point has a dollar value associated with it. The cost of points continues to go up. Disappointing.The bigger clubs/academies can ignore more easily because they tend to gravitate to more closed groups which is worrisome and problematic in their own rights.Of course they don't ignore GS points when putting their own tournaments together but I'lll leave those contradictions for another thread.After watching 12 years of youth soccer (mainly in NJ but not exclusively) very intensely the overall value remains very suspect to me. Sadly for every encouraging sign I see the reality that a dollar value is being assigned to it. Not good.DCShore
By now I think we all pretty much understand how to use gotsoccer and how to keep it in perspective. I agree that FC VA and NEFC are the top. PDA will certainly be better with their FC Bucks add. Strikers down one strong player and up 3. Time will tell if they fill the shoes and then some. Penn Fusion picks up strikers players at least one of whom was a major contributor. Also picks up a couple of strong Europa players. They may be out of the bottom. Bucks took the biggest hit. Matchfit has one of the best strikers and midfielders in the area and is tough all around. McLean hasn't been spoken of much, but may be a dark horse this year. The NYE ECNL teams were in major flux last year with the Alby/WC drama. EM picked up a couple of strong region 1 players and should be significantly improved this year. YMS implosion puts a big question mark on R1PL teams except Strikers. A national league team looking to fill the roster? That Panthera team is in trouble already. My pick: Region 1: Strikers no contest with FC VA A team pulling out. Overall quality of competition down. Looking forward to Strikers versus FC Stars at WAGS result will be telling. ECNL New England: Stars, but predict improvement in EM Metro: PDA but improvement in Penn Fusion MidAtlantic: Going out on a limb and going with McLean followed by FC VA Ohio valley; Bethesda remains weak and Ohio Premier takes it.It will be interesting to see what this age group looks like next summer with several teams making significant changes. That isn't usual at this age and probably is a function of the league related instabilities and lack of a clearly defined hierarchy of teams in this age group. It makes for fun competition when there is no run away favorite when these teams meet.
12:14 it is also very sad that teams are only getting "better" by recruiting new players further and further away. I'll keep my money on the local teams that are and have been, developing from within. It's also telling when you look at the U17G committed lists and see a fairly split divide down the middle, between NPL and ECNL.
Panthera will be fine, just looking for players that may be on the fence. If nothing else the experience will tremendous for the girls. We all know why we do this for our kids, we hope they succeed in whatever they do and enjoy the ride. Whether it be soccer, playing piano,swimming, Whatever. We just want them to succeed and be happy. What I see a lot on this blog is not about that, its about who is better then who and what teams have the better leagues and better players. Seriously these are still young women they have years ahead of them to determine their paths. They don't need their parents making it bigger then it is right now. We should be happy that we can go out and enjoy watching our children run around and play.Hey in the end if anything comes out of this for them then great otherwise just enjoy the ride.
2:03 this talk is just entertainment. Not sure what you mean 1:32 Which local teams is your money on? Is the money on the table for them to win R1PL or ECNL games or what exactly? Is your money on that they have a better experience? Better development? Also not sure what you mean when you say, "It's also telling when you look at the U17G committed lists and see a fairly split divide down the middle, between NPL and ECNL" What is split? How do the commitments compare exactly?
@1009 possibly the WORST analysis I have read in a while. You should stick to talking about teams you know something about. Your ECNL comments are so wide of the mark its a shade insulting.
Edit ...should read @1214
@132 Why? There is a HUGE difference between players being recruited to teams and kids leaving because they are no longer happy where they are. What is sad is hearing people refer to things like Alby/WC or the FCB/PDA situations with no knowledge of any facts at all. In both situations, the kids concerned chose the best situations for them. Not sad at all. Go look at the top school commits and then let me know if they are evenly split. I would be surprised if they were.
340 Ok then take a shot. What's incorrect? Otherwise just a garbage post.
Here is a point that should be entertained on this site. In the area,NJ,NY,PA, which high level Non-ECNL teams are managing to keep their top players, even adding others? I have seen several area teams with players of ECNL quality, why is it these players and teams stay together? Any thoughts? Which teams fit this mode and why?
Top 5 based off of GS in PA:Fc PA: we already know about them.Fc Europa: handful of players left for ecnl and fc pa, my prediction is that they will fold after this season. That team is Falling apart, losing players.Fc warrington: majority of teams been together for years, have on and off days, 1 player left for fc bucks, I expected after there star striker left for fcb years ago they would crumble.Ldc: don't know much about them, have definetly decreased the past couple yearsYms: I have no idea how they'll be this year, assuming they will be good though.In pa besides fc pa, no ecnl level teams, there are definetly ecnl level and division 1 players though
Why would it be so difficult to imagine reasons a top player would not want to play in the ECNL? It is easier to list reasons why a player would want to play in that league. I see it as a league for very well off, one sport, players, very interested in playing soccer in college. If you are not minimally in those categories, why would you seek out that league?Talented but multi sport athlete = no ECNLRich and talented but don't want to be an environment focused on playing in college = no ECNLTalented and committed but lower income = no ECNL.
@6:03PMAlways difficult to answer without first hand knowledge but I'll take a stab at it.Most likely very grounded players, parents and coaches. Expectations in development are being met as well as competitive play.The realization that you have a better chance of seeing a Hobbit than getting a Full Scholarship for soccer to any school.The realization that most college teams are not like youth teams. Academy players will once again enjoy playing amongst non-pedigreed players in most cases. The days of 'stacked' teams are over.The realization that playing in college (at any level) is a real commitment as they look into the program hours and time required.The realization that some players, after all of the years of soccer are just burned out and will not want to play in college. This applies equally to all players amongst all clubs/academies.The realization hat we parents wanted it a bit more than the players.There are other realizations of course. But in my eyes these are the main.The hope for me as a parent is that my child actually love the sport and continues to play into adulthood. Follows it on TV and reaches THE GAME to the next generation.DCShore
And yes, I agree.Multi-Sport athletes would not want to sacrifice other interests just to play in ECNL.There is one particular girl in my town who is one of the more outstanding players in the age group. REGULARLY trying to be recruited by 'elite' teams. Academic and other sport interests have been her main reason for not leaving.DCShore
3:49 go do your own research. See for yourself that many NPL girls getting committed to D1s. And yes it's sad for ECNL to realize no one else locally feels the need to tryout, so the DOCs are looking hundreds of miles away to recruit.
News flash for all you guys who think full scholarships are an urban myth. They are the reality for the top 5 kids on all the ECNL rosters and most of the others. And guess what big 10 big 12 and pac 12 are guaranteeing them for 4 years. I am seeing a whole hobbit town. Now some kids don't take the full ride at the #20 school instead taking half at UVA. But then it's UVA...
1128 you really think the top 5 on every ECNL roster are getting full SOCCER rides. I call BS.
11:28 - forget the hobbit, you are living in the land of unicorns and rainbows. I'd like to see the data to back up your claim. Also, aren't the ECNL players the "best of the best"? If so, how could a college recruiter identify the top 5. You are kidding yourself. By design, ECNL players will get more looks but it is not the only way for talented players to get exposure.
I call BS on the notion that NPL players aRe getting the same interest and/or offers as ECNL players. Our current U16 NPL teams are weaker then many strong town teams .
14 scholarships for 30 roster spots, very few full rides. Get your full ride at the University of Northern Idaho. There also the point that the top 1/3 of D-3 schools are more competitive than the bottom 1/3. So take your full-ride and the mediocre education with average competition and enjoy it.
Yup the very few full rides go to the top 5 on the ECNL roster. Quite a few kids on the roster are only getting books. But you will continue to deny the reality because your kid apparently isn't a top player on an ECNL roster.
The other classic comments: Yeah but my kid is getting a GOOD education while your kid with the scholarship is settling for garbage. Translation: my kid will amount to something after college and yours won't so keep your scholarship. Reality: the scholarships most offered are for excellent academic institutions. In fact many mismajors are fully funded and offer the top kids full rides. Most of these players do not accept preferring higher rpi ranked schools. The higher ranked schools are more competitive and tend to spit scholarships more than lower ranked school. There still will be a couple of free rides on the roster. Nearly all of whom are YNT players.
You made my point. My comment was not a question of good education versus soccer scholarship. The fact that you make the point that kids would rather take a lesser scholarship to play at a better school is true. There are very few programs offering full rides and if they do it is to just a few kids. Yes a lot of ECNL players get into great schools. A lot of ECNL players go to mediocre schools too. It is definitely not a large majority that go to great schools unless you consider schools with an 80%+ admission rate and a 950 SAT requirement a great school.
How is a full scholarship a "free ride"? That commitment is a time intensive job that will impact every aspect of their path through college.
My daughter played in the National League and ECNL and ended up 1! with a 30% scholarship and 20% academic merit which was only given to us the first year . We spent a great deal of money, travel expenses and time off from work and away from important family functions. So far we had to come up with 20,000 per year to be able to pay her tuition. Her club did not help much in term of college recruitment! We were on our own and almost did not get a verbal commitment until her Junior year. Believe me, it is not worth the time, money, and effort! It is a full time job and she ended up going to a school that is very expensive. Another school wanted her and was willing to pay up 80% of her tuition but it was 7 hours away!!My daughter was a starting ECNL player, ODP state and region 1. National ODP pool, etc. Varsity letter four year and we had all this trouble! So imagine if you are in a low level NPL team, you will have very little opportunities unless you are planning to play D2 or D3 which I think do not give out scholarship money! I don't want to bash anybody, just letting you know what our experience was. It is not worth the TIME OR MONEY!
If your kid gets to play a sport she loves for 4 years at the highest competitive levels for which you currently pay $2-3000/year for, and she gets an education valued at $30-50k per year at a good school. I call that a free ride.
I know of 4-5 girls who left very good clubs to go to ECNL teams, after a year they were left will little choice but to return to non ECNL teams. They practiced but played little, how much exposure did they gain from it? I doubt very much. Would it not have been better to stay at a high level club, play the showcases,and get plenty of playing time? My kid did not go ECNL but got plenty of interest this year from smaller division 1 schools. Some parents refuse to be realistic and set expectations for the kids that cannot be met. I also blame some ECNL teams for accepting players who they know up front will have little impact. ECNL clubs tend to focus on the scholarship opportunities rather than just the opportunity to play in college. Playing in college is something to be proud of, when it is over no one will ask if you played via scholarship.
ECNL clubs are a business.Understand that. They accept kids and are happy to take your money.It is up to the parents to be realistic about the cost benefit. It amazes me that parents cry foul at the end of the process. In reality,just like academics, soccer money is reserved for the very best. As it should be.Title IX has increased the $$ available and made it a bit more accessible, but parents who are not realistic will get burned. HS letters, ODP and the ECNL do not make you a top soccer player ODP is pay for play as is the ECNL and most HS teams are not stacked with top talent. If you child is a top player, it is pretty clear if you want to be honest with yourself and her.
219Your kid got an 80% offer at a school 7 hours away? So you expected a full scholarship at a a specific school? That is probably unrealistic depending on which school it is. From which school were you expecting a better offer than she received? At which age did she start playing ECNL? Sounds like you had poor instruction and support through the process.
@August 13, 2015 at 5:08 PMIt's definitely more than 3k a year. If you add uniform, gas, tolls, mileage, out of town hotel and restaurant bills, sometimes airfare, it's closer to $7-8k. Some clubs charge extra for Coach fees, Winter indoor tourneys.
It's way more than 3K a year. It's 2800 for just training, plus coaching and tournament fees, uniforms, meals, air fare, hotel, gas to practices, car rental plus winter league such as futsal is extra. I would say is about 8-9K a year.
623 I agree that the clubs should offer guidance at tryouts on what they foresee the player's role to be on the team for the uupcoming year. Sometimes I think they do that, but the parents can't allow themselves to hear the message. It is critical to try and guide your child through the process as objectively as you possibly can be to avoid this type of situation. However, I think very few parents are able to view their children's abilities through anything but rose colored glasses.
Most clubs do not give you a realistic view. Since most of the them, you have to have paid all the fees by October what they do is that the coach would start playing games and bench the player, bring in guest from other teams from other teams in the clubs and have them start over your child. Another tactic is to have the players placed in different positions in the field where the player is not used to play. These are the tactics employed once they have gotten your money so it is all about money and the parents should be realistic. If your child is not considered an impact player, then leave and find a lower level team. It is not fair to the child or the parents who are paying all this money.
Wow, I'd look for a different team/club if that's happening. That's not the norm in our area. I guess we're just lucky that we have coaches that care about the development of the kids as people first and soccer players second.
You expect a coach to "care about the developement of the kids as people first and as soccer players second". You don't want a soccer coach, you need a psychologist. Admittedly, one great benefit to being a coach is the opportunity to be a positive role model to children; but, please don't loss site of the fact that our primary responsibility is to teach them the game.
433 typifies what is wrong with much of today's society ... akin to those who expect the school to provide special instruction to a student struggling in an honors class when what they really need is a tudor or perhaps a better parent.
There are aspects of development that are not specific to technical skills like how to be part of a team, learning how to work hard and earn your spot rather than have it given to you, learning how to support your teammates, etc. The ability to impart these traits on a youth player makes the difference between a good coach and a great coach.
It's too easy to blame the school/teacher (club/coach) as opposed to having to take on any sort of responsibility or admit a fault.
just a friendly reminder - we're at U-16. from now on, this is showcase years, if your daughter did not learn the touch or the game it's too late give it up. forget about academy and save your money towards her college fund, you'd be better off.
What's really important is that you are as objective as possible in evaluating your player's playing level, level of commitment, and academic interests and abilities so that you can help guide her in making choices both as to her soccer environment and as she considers schools, so that a realistic college list can be created for her. Then make sure her current team fits her ambitions: If she wants to play at a power 5 school, she has to be seen at the major national tournaments, if not the national league, or in the ECNL. By that I mean CASL, Disney, Jeff cup if she is only considering the east. Include possibly surf cup and Vegas if she aspires to a west coast education. If her dream top 50 school is local, and the kid is a total goal scoring machine, 5'10 CB who is great in the air, super technical and creates goals, or one of the very top keepers in the east, then one can consider staying with a competitive R1PL team and attending ID camps. If the kid is looking to mid majors (A10, Big East, patriot, Ivy's, etc) then ID camps and a R1PL or high level NPL team might get her there if she is one of the very top players on her team. However, the middle of the pack ECNL players are getting 50% athletic scholarships to these school and the better players are getting near 100%. So if your kid is looking at anything, but the power 5 and you think she is a middle roster ECNL player, it would be easier to achieve her goals if she was playing on an ECNL team. SOme are still rostering players now. If she aspires to attend school on the west coast, either try and get her in as a guest at Surf cup (yes possible) or pick a team that plans on attending western tournaments. Again ECNL is your best bet there.
it is a sad reflection on us that we allow such an important decision to be bought from our kids so early. Its the same mentality that allows the USA to play CR in a so called friendly an win 8-0 waving terrible towels and generally rubbing their nose in it for money. All that matters is winning, no matter the cost.Just my 2c
I agree but until the NCAA closes the coaches contacting coaches loophole with a decree that 0 contact can be made between colleges and kids- however managed- it is what it is. Unless your kid is in the national pool, if you don't play the game they, will miss out on the biggest scholarships at the top programs which are dispensed in the freshman and early sophomore years. if they are looking IVY and mid major, there is a little more time.
1121 . That is because parents fall over themselves to sell out. If the parents held firm, we could return to something more intelligent. Like letting the kids actually take their time to make an informed well thought out decision. Just look at the transfer rates and tell me this is a good system? Forget the NCAA closing the loophole, how about parents just giving good advice? The coaches of your clubs push it because guess what, its good for them and their business.
Wishful thinking- never be able to organize the parents to do this. Dreamland. the NCAA closing the loophole would take care of it and would solve the problem. Not saying they will do it, but they should and it would quickly solve the issue once and for all.
Question...what is this loophole you're talking about?
245 so hoping for mature parenting of a game that is essentially an upper middle class one is wishful thinking. Therein lies the issue. I get it when a sport offers a kid his only route to higher education, but among this crowd that is not usually the case.
The coaches can talk to any kid not matter what age if the kid calls the coach. Coach can't return the calls. So the coach emails the club coach saying they are interested in a player. The club coach forwards the email. The kid calls the coach. If he doesn't pick up the kid emails the club coach and asks that he set up a call. The club coach emails or calls the college coach. The college coach can call back the club coach. He tells the kid when to call him. The club coach calls or emails the player and says call the coach tomorrow at 4 or whatever. The club coach is allowed to act as a go between. The kid is allowed to contact the college coach. Loophole allows the kid to initiate the contact. I think there should be no contact allowed until after the sophomore year.
Can a player transfer from a D1 school to another? I thought that was not allowed or the player will lose scholarshi?
Question –If unfortunately a girl suffered an acl injury today, how would a significant injury like that effect development at this age group as far as being able to remain at a fiercely competitive level? Would the missed time leave a kid behind other equally talented girls who are not missing their u16 & sophomore year? How would it effect college recruitment? Let’s assume that this girl trains constantly with her team and on her own while playing with and against girls of the same work rate with all having excellent athletic ability.
Stars ecnl U16 no longer listed in the Wags Tournament. What happened?
Wanted a break that weekend from school ball grind. Get enough competition and exposure in ECNL. Most of their players are already committed and/or are nearly wrapped up. No reason to go.
I doubt that's the reason, if that was the case then why did they even apply. They may have 1-2 already committed but just about whole team. Give me a break!
5:12, My daughter tore her ACL at the end of fall U14. She missed the entire U14 spring/summer season and also her high school freshman school season. She was able to rejoin her club beginning with the November 2014 tournaments (CASL was first) and has played ever since. She was one of top players on her team prior to getting injured but I will admit looked pretty poor first coming back. Once a starter who never came out of a game, she definitely became a bench player for the good part of the club season. During the latter part of spring and summer, she definitely showed signs of her old self, and now starting her Sophomore school year feels confident and secure again as she make her school's varsity team and in her mind is "I think top 3 on the team". In her experience, it took a good 6 months, post clearance to return to "normal". So I guess in your example, if she lost Sophomore year, she still has Junior and Senior year to make an impact and get noticed.
The Stars team that played WAGS last year wasn't a true team, but a group of players who weren't playing HS soccer, but training with the new Stars HS program during the fall. My memory is that there were only 13 or 14 on the roster which was multi-age group, and I believe had both NPL and ECNL players on it.
So USYSA has officially come out with birth year teams for 2016. Big shake ups in the works. U.S. Club won't be far behind. Most teams will simply realign at tryouts. But what happens to PA strikers? Play 99 and just be younger? Quickly begin to recruit some older 99s? Will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.
Why shake anything up at this point? For the most part, teams will play up to the level of their oldest player, younger players will play up. This would have a more profound impact on the younger age levels.
You are dreaming if you think people will surrender their Jan to July kids advantage to keep the advantage of the aug- December kids. Maybe in the low level town travel level but the more competitive teams will realign. Do you think the competitive clubs want to see less than competitive teams if they keep teams "together" made up of younger players?
We'll see. I just don't see a lot of movement. If your team chemistry is just right, you're getting great training with your current coach, why upset the balance by mixing players up at U16? If a kid doesn't have the ability to hang with players 6 months older, maybe she doesn't belong playing at that level to begin with. In high school, you have Freshmen playing with and against Seniors, who may be 4 years older. I really don't see the huge advantage. The difference between a 12 year old and a 13 year old...huge! 16 and 17, not so much.
so says the guy with a 99 birth year kid
It doesn't take effect until August 2017, 16's now will be 18's.. does it matter..
Wrong takes effect in August 2016
How about leagues grandfathering existing age groups at the older ages to remain the same and moving forward go with the birth year for u14 and under?
For the record, 2:22, my kid has a March 2000 birthdate. Make your own decision, my kid won't be changing teams or leaving a great coach for whatever benefit a few months might buy her. Those benefits are huge for young kids. Pick up Malcolm Gladwell's "Outliers". By this age, those benefits are already realized.
715 That is not the position USYSA has taken. They said age groups change with tryouts 2016. The are taking a pull of the bandaid all at once approach. US club soccer hasn't given a hard line yet on implementation, but said they will cooridinate with USYSA. They see the small sided mandate harder to get in in one season. The birth date mandate is a lot easier it will be up to the individual club docs to decide how an individual club will approach the classification system. I expect some will allow whole teams to play up, but most will simply realign their teams according to the new cutoffs.
It's gonna be awkward for a few but this is probably the best decisions. Let's move forward and continue to grow our National identity to this great game.DCShore
So USYSA, just 9/1, mandated for next season all competitions will be birth year 2016/17http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us_youth_soccer_board_of_directors_approves_implementation_of_us_soccer_mandates/Wonder if they will change roster stability percent to allow for the addition of Jan-july kids to make the rosters for qualifier teams such as Strikers in the national league age pure? Will the strikers or other top USYSA teams take the opportunitiy to bulk up with older 99s? Strikers at a disadvantage on one hand with no club to draw older 99/younger00 players, but their free model will likely prove attractive in either age group they choose to represent (probably 99)
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U.S. Club so said all competitions will be calendar year cutoff. Only league not mentioned is the ECNL. However since it is rune by U.S. Club soccer I would guess an official ECNL announcement would be imminent.
So do you think that the calendar year change will result in most 00's playing up at u17 or a redistribution of the 99's and 00's to age appropriate teams?
I think there will be redistribution seen in the more competitive teams. If they don't redistribute, they will lose competitiveness to the teams that do. I think the ECNL will completely redistribute so as to be in compliance with the best practice in addition to keeping competitive. Further, some 00 players/parents might prefer to play on age so as to potentially go up a level (NPL to ECNL for example, B to A team) or at least hope for a transition from role player to impact player can be realized. 00s who thought they were just below ECNL level might try to give ECNL a shot with the new groupings. I would anticipate huge changes in the higher level teams ( R1PL and ECNL) Maybe less in town teams which are more school and socially based.
Now that the high school season is well underway, can anyone explain why the worst players on their club team seem to be the best HS players?
High school soccer is a joke, please do not use it as a gauge of soccer talent.
High School Soccer is stupid. All high-level clubs should forbid their players from joining varsity. The girls sink down to the level of play of their teammates who can't kick the ball straight. Then they play 4 games a week - ridiculous. Not to mention those players who just use physicality with the potential of injuring others. It's just not worth it.
High School soccer is what is, its not great to watch at times but we have to remember the main reason our girls play it is because its with other girls in their HS there friends. What else would they be doing since most clubs teams dont do anything and there are no league games or tournaments for U15 and above. I just tell my daughter go out have fun and be careful. If nothing else they stay fit and stay out of trouble.
I have seen good Academy players sit the bench and are embarrassed by the fact that lesser talented girls are getting more playing time than they do. So tell me again how it is good to have them play with other kids from the same town. I laugh when people say that their daughter plays for the social aspects of it when they don't talk to theteam after the season is over.
Everyone's situation is different, not all are as you say. And like I said what would they be doing now if there was no HS soccer. Until it changes in the North East where there is club play in the fall, HS is all they have. Remember they dont have to play, they have a choice and if sitting the bench is what they were doing why play at all? I would say see ya since HS is so unimportant.
@September 20, 2015 at 6:33 PM Lol. Soccer snobs are out again. To quote Sept. 20, 6:33pm “High School Soccer is stupid. All high-level clubs should forbid their players from joining varsity.”Where do you think your daughter is going with Soccer? Heather O’Reilly’s H.S. career is legendary in NJ! I watched a documentary about Abby Wambach & she talked extensively about how much she loved her H.S. playing days. Hopefully our kids are enjoying H.S. Soccer without us parents putting a damper on it. It’s a good thing to have your name mentioned on the loud speaker at school for scoring & assisting. It’s a good thing to have your name in the local papers for their efforts vs the neighboring towns. It’s a good thing to walk through the hallways with other students showing reverence to your kid for their high level athletic abilities. The list of positive goes on & on. Besides, the varsity jackets look way cooler then the plain old club winter coats.
My daughter plays both high level club and high school soccer. As far as high school goes, I agree that the level of talent isn't what it is at the club level. And sometimes, coaches make decisions regarding tactics and personnel that make absolutely no sense. But, (assuming that everyone her is in their 40's and 50's), don't you remember what it was like before private clubs dominated youth sports? High School sports were where you played at a "high level". Making Varsity was a big deal. Being able to represent your school, and having your friends come out to watch and cheer you on was awesome! Ask your daughters why they want to play high school soccer. It's not always about development and skill level. Let the girls have some fun before the serious stuff picks up again in the late fall. This isn't about you Mom and Dad, it's about your daughter.
My daughter loves HS ball for a variety of reasons. But if she had to choose between club or HS it would be club every time. The competitor in her needs the more challenging club environment. The reasons she like HS ball is very different from her reasons for liking club.
Sounds like someone's daughter hasn't made varsity or getting playing time so what's there to do.........bash high school soccer. Nice
Actually for us it's the opposite. My daughter HAS to play, the team is so awful there is no option, she'll look really bad if she didn't sign up to play. She plays the whole game, all 80 minutes and loves it. It's a terrible thing to watch.
@3:55 AMI feel sorry for you if that is the case. My daughter plays on a HS team where there are almost as many different club teams as there are players. The girls are "family" despite the sometimes huge gaps in terms of talent and club team ranking. Some of the relationships formed are the strongest bonds my daughter has. Truthfully, in a way this often makes it more special (spiritually) than Club/Academy ball where every parent is an agent and every player is a product. Lots of clicks at the higher levels.While I agree (and always have maintained) HS soccer is hard on the eyes and brain, it is what it is and MOST youth players I find want to play on the team. Let the kids make a decision. Sit back, enjoy. There is plenty of time to have anxiety attacks when they are back playing club ball.DCShore
Both my daughter and I don't feel stressed with Club soccer. She's a role player in a decent club that's ranked in the top 25 in gotsoccer (if that really means anything. LOL). We don't have any illusions about college ball, this is for fun and something just to put on her resume, even though it costs 5k a year. It's all good - she's having a blast with HS Varsity scoring a lot of goals some days when beating up on a weaker team, other days getting blown out 7-0 by a superior team.
Not many Jersey teams accepted to CASL or Disney Showcase, is at that few applied or several didn't get accepted?
7 NJ teams applied, 5 were accepted. The other two declined (FC Copa Red & STA Morris).For comparison:2 PA West teams applied 2 accepted7 PA East teams applied 2 accepted (3 declined, 2 not accepted)8 NY East teams applied 4 accepted (3 declined, 1 not accepted)2 NY West teams applied 1 accepted (1 declined)7 MD teams applied 3 accepted (2 declined, 2 not accepted)9 VA teams applied 3 accepted (4 declined, 2 not accepted)Three of the teams (SDFC - NJ, Penn Strikers - PAE, and SAC - MD) are National League.
When you say declined do you mean the club declined the acceptance or they were declined by CASL?
Sorry, I forgot to indicate that those were all disney. Declined typically means that the team submitted the application then at a later date rescinded the application. I don't have access to the CASL stats.
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