Monday, March 2, 2015

U15G - U15 Girls Youth Soccer

This page is focused on Under 15 girls youth soccer in Region 1.

During this transition from middle school soccer to high school soccer, teams seem to change as quickly as the players do.

Stay tuned.

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Anonymous said...

With nearly all the top local teams heading to Florida for the 3 main tournaments it makes me wonder how they can handle all the officiating. Must be 800 teams plus boys tournaments. Anyone have any history on the quality levels for officials at Disney? Hate to travel that far for high school kids. Thoughts? Prior experience?

Anonymous said...

Been a while since I was on here. One to correct one misconception about VA.

Last years' ECNL teams were not way beyond the USYS teams as stated. First thing, Mclean - Chantilly finished in Top 4 and the team is doing about the same as last season. Not a big improvement.

And while ABGC has improved FCV, last year's FCV ECNL team scrimmaged State Cup runner up (and the team that beat Chantilly Elite) and it was a tie and very even game.

Last year, FCV game within a couple second of beating Mclean. ABGC has improved FCV, but it wasn't like last year's team was way below the top USYS teams.

Other than ABGC, last year's team probably had more talent than the USYS team but could never gel because they were put together in June, didn't practice over the summer until mid August, and then asked to plan an ECNL schedule and top brackets against elite level teams that had been together for a while. They also had a roster of 17 and 3-4 girls were hurt every week. The coach was playing girls out of position.

It was a no-win situation and FCV coaching was partly to blame.

Most of the girls who left FCV are now on Bethesda ECNL, Mclean ECNL, or the three top USYS teams (Vienna, Chantilly, and Herndon)

Look at Chantilly Storm, WAGS D2 team that got one of FCV's ECNL a player from Harkes, a key player from Loudoun and Chantilly won WAGS D1. A 1-0 score beating Herndon a week after FCV beat Herndon by the same score.

Headed to R1 league and according to many on ASA and Vienna - the touchest team they faced in the Fall because that team has a very fast, technically strong midfield with very good possession players, combined with a striker who is 6 feet tall with great ball skills, and two center backs that are really tough to beat.

Anonymous said...

Forgot, Richmond United ECNL has has one of the player's from last year's FCV ECNL team.

So much for a second rate team, most of the players are went on to other ECNL teams or significantly improved the remaining USYS teams.

Anonymous said...

I just looked at the NPL Showcase schedules before heading down to Florida to Disney. It does seem that the pecking order in the lower 3 teams has changed, it's seems pretty clear that PDA is protecting their little South team with a powderpuff schedule. Nothing like really challenging yourselves. Seems like 2 of the teams are ranked around 50 in Illinois and Florida I guess the South team has had enough of losing to the FC Stars NPL team that they are going to letting Atletica play them.

Anonymous said...

And now for something completely different. Does anyone know of a place or organiztion in NJ that collects lightly used soccer equipment such as cleats, shinguards, balls, etc. and then distributes them to those in need in the U.S. or international? Thank You.

Anonymous said...

1127, must be nice to already know they will be winning. Better to keep the parents happy and wallets open. PaSouth is mediocre at best and everyone knows it.

Anonymous said...

I think its interesting that ABGC sends its A roster to the national league and leaves its b roster in VA to play a couple of ECNL games. Suggests that the coach is not sure this ECNL thing s going to work out. Got to keep his USYSA options open especially national league. ECNL champions league and National league are equivalent in competition level and exposure.

Anonymous said...

Region 1 Champions League brackets are out:

http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=41412&Group=Girls_15

link

Anonymous said...

That is really poor. All the best teams in the blue division. Top 4 or 5 teams beat all the red division teams handily. Who decided that this is a good idea? Notable absence is NEFC. No B teams this year as NEFC entire club is US CLub soccer. (Their b team was region 1 premier last year) and no CFC B team as they also are all US club. Not that those 2 teams make a difference but showing the trends. Santos best players went to world class ECNL as part of that "merger"/"alliance". Santos aren't in the picture anymore. Wonder what's up with Quickstrike and Massapequa. putting their eggs in US club's basket? PDA B team(s) all NPL SJEB? What about Europa? Va teams save FC VA (ECNL) are all weak. Unbelievable drop in quality over the last few years. Strikers and FCVA are probably happy they are both blue so they get some competition. Strikers also always struggle with YMS

Anonymous said...

Here we go again with this incorrect comments about VA.

1) Mclean ECNL beat FCV/Annandale Premiere and yet comments are made that Premiere is head and shoulders above the ECNL teams last year.

2) Chantilly saved Mclean, yet Chantilly lost to Herndon in State Cup and their players really haven't added much to Mclean other than take minutes away from the better players and give Cindi Harkes a platform to get chased out of another ECNL team (the way she was run off at FCV).

3) Unbelievable drop off in the past couple years......what?

It has always been Premiere and then a group of teams of team a step below (Chantilly, Herndon, Vienna). What drop off. Vienna could have made the league, but probably didn't apply. Chantilly and Herndon made it.

4) Quickstrike. Lost to ASA in WAGS Tournament and they didn't look like the same team

5) Santos has had injury problems.

I do agree Blue looks stronger than Red, there is comments coming from FCV that you might see a renewed focus on ECNL so lets the roster for Premiere League. You may find that the club has split the ECNL team into two and that the team playing Premiere League is vastly different that the team of 18 who has been playing both.

Anonymous said...

December 21, 2014 at 8:53 PM - that coach only cares about two things:

1) Money. He has finally found a group of sucker parents who will pay anything to win anything. Normally, his VSA and Herndon parents were smart enough to get rid of him and bring in a real coach who develops players. The Premiere parents are so greedy, they would pay $1,500 to stay in Florida and win the Super Y National Championship just so they can be king of something

2) Getting players in college - since that coach has never gotten a team past U15 - he is depending on this group finally getting him a couple of college committments.

What I found interesting was that even with the domination in Super Y - ABGC/FCV Premiere only had 2 field players on the All Tournament team.

Which supports the conventional wisdom that the team has a small cadre of really good D1 prospects and then a whole bucket of role players.

After all, Premiere lent some of their defensive players to FCV ECNL last year as Discovery player and the defense was still horrible. They tried intermixing players and the initial results were not good. Premiere needs the group of 18 to be effective because if you intermix 7 from the B group with 11 from the A group - it isn't the same Premiere team.

Anonymous said...

Your last 2 paragraphs are contradictory. On the one hand you are saying that a couple of "D1 prospects" are carrying the team and the rest are just role players. And then you say that if you swap out the bottom 7 players, they are a lesser team.

Having my child's team play against them several times in the recent past, I think the latter may be closer to the truth. They have at least 5 impact players on that team although 2 or three are potentially national level.

Just wodering what happens next year. How is the heavy ECNL USYSA schedule going? They are registered in the ECNL and champions league this spring. National league will be over in December so not really a factor in the schedule for the spring. Are they going to tournaments too? Do the b team kids play in anything? Do they rotate the bottom 7 players to come off the bench at various events? Hows it working out? Will he choose USYSA or ECNL next year or back the superstars back out to an independent club and just do USYSA and super y? If it is working will we see more teams going this route?

Anonymous said...

"They heard we'll spend $5,000, even $10,000 a year on our child's soccer."

Anonymous said...

Am I the only one who thinks R1 Champions League has a top flight and a second flight, but has called them both Division "1"? The groupings can't be a coincidence. Is this because they have planned to have 3 divisions for a while now and wanted to keep it that way. The worst Blue team would be a favorite to win the Red group.

Anonymous said...

It's obvious from looking at the teams that the Blue group is clearly the top flight. No one in their right mind can look at those groups and think otherwise. It looks like the bottom team(s) from Blue will be relegated to Red, and the top Red teams will be promoted to Blue, although as you mentioned, there is a large gap between the strength of the teams.

Anonymous said...

Hopefully region 1 has sense enough to see that. However. In years past there has been a playoff between the 2 groups. Top 2 to national league. Winner to regionals. Wonder how they plan to handle the advancement opportunities

Anonymous said...

Random thought, although PA strikers seem like the #1 in PA, and this might be true, they are not unbeatable. YMS, FC Europa, FC Warrington, LDC, etc are all competitors and have beaten strikers many times, just because they aren't ranked #1 with tons of poitnts does not mean they can't compete with the strikers or any other high ranked or known team. So, I do not think there is a huge gap in PA.

Anonymous said...

9:00 PM, I would agree but PA Strikers are always looking to improve their team. Rumor has it that the PA Strikers picked up a solid striker for their team. I think she is a region 1 player. It looks like they are trying to solidify their position in the NL and region 1. Time will tell. YMS is strong also and could be a dominate force against PA Strikers.

Anonymous said...

Strikers will pull away from the rest on 2015. Do you consider 4-0 against Europa earlier in the month as competitive? Also rumors of Europa blowing up due to coaching change. Will they look to strikers or love to the ECNL. Will the strikers be ECNL next year? Lots up in the air. How is Sanford for you ECNL people?

Anonymous said...

That is true about the Europa loss, not quite sure whats up with them. But I do know that strikers have trouble against YMS, Fc Warrington, and LDC. I guess we will wait and see what happens this spring and the state cups. As for strikers and ecnl, I do not see that ever happening, they are a one team club, I don't see how that would ever happen. Just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Warrington? You are joking right? LDC ? Ok score looks close but not sure if the games really were or not. YMS yes definitely don't seem to match up well. However I have heard they actually have added 2 impactful starting forwards and moved their old one back. Time will tell whether the match up remains a difficult one for strikers. Strikers did reasonably well in national league. YMS did not qualify. YMS roster seems stable.

Anonymous said...

Should a B team for an academy pay the same amount as the A team. This team has not played one tournament as of today and has done only one scrimmage but the tag price is 2,200 for the year. Training one/twice a week only for the Fall starting in November. What do you think?

Anonymous said...

The question isn't "should" - be team pay it is "will" a b team pay. If the answer is the later, then the answer is yes because the market supports it. Remember this is all a business. Think of it like that and you will get it.

Anonymous said...

What B team are you referring to ?

Anonymous said...

Well all the PDA teams pay the same $2500.00 but aren't they all one big happy family so I am sure no one minds.

Anonymous said...

Yes a B team should pay the same as an A team. You are paying for full time coaching and dedication to a team you are not paying for A or B team. Unless the B team has lower quality and cheaper coaches, the costs of running a B team are the same.

Anonymous said...

This is a great article about a player from WInslow (2016 graduate) with a verbal commitment from NC State. She's never played at a big academy, got exposure at camps and showcases and was able to get noticed. It just shows what can be done if you just love the sport.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-10-10/sports/54832404_1_soccer-success-college-soccer-winslow-township

Anonymous said...

$2500 a year to train and tie a team ranked 50 in their state? I would be a tad annoyed if I was a PDA south parent. I thought the NPL was their showcase to win?

Anonymous said...

At 3:30pm and on the brink of a New Year you are spending your time worry about what........C'MON Son you gotta do better than that this coming New Year. Stop worry about PDA and just worrying about your own childs development. Just look at the post above yours......Perfect post and even better article and most important that young childs parents has everything to be proud of because regardless of anything that kid is going to make New Jersey proud. Anyway stop worrying about PDA dude and Happy New Year. Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

PDA team seem to be doing well in Florida

All teams won!!

Who are the teams they are playing against?

Anonymous said...

PDA playing low ranked teams, set up by their "handlers". Happy New Year!

Anonymous said...

5:55 PM According to the NPL schedule the PDA D team actually tied even though all of PDA are playing a rigged schedule.

Anonymous said...

Why is anyone writing about NPl showcase? All the good teams are playing now at Disney. And for last weeks ecnl tourney, how did gunners and MF do?

Anonymous said...

Because PDA is the only place in NJ where high quality proper soccer is played, so people are interested. (sarcasm intended)

Anonymous said...

Shouldn't they change the name to the PDA Showcase?

Anonymous said...

It does not make sense to travel so far to play teams that are ranked 90 and 50 in Florida.

They will get better competition by setting up a scrimmage with one of the top 20 teams in NJ.
I feel that the state of soccer with all these different leagues is just a lie.

Anonymous said...

Copa Milan is doing very well in the Disney Showcase. What happened to NJ Stallions Stampede. Not a good showing

Anonymous said...

Much about the matchups. Though Stampede hasnt been great of late

SDFC Panthera also there, ahead in bottom flight, makes final if they win tomorrow

Anonymous said...

WoW!! I just looked at the college coaches that attended the ECNL Sanford showcase ->> sooo many....and from great schools!!
https://ecnl.wufoo.com/reports/scout-attendance-201415-ecnlfl-/

Anonymous said...

ECNL players get first crack at the college coaches and scholarships.

Anyone bragging about how well a team is or is not doing at a SHOWCASE needs their head examined. The players are there to be seen by coaches. Save the bragging for TOURNAMENTS and not SHOWCASES.

Anonymous said...

Why would you want to saddle your kid with the increased pressure of being a scholarship player in addition to the stresses of playing collegiate soccer while taking a full course load?

Better be a hefty scholarship and a kid ready for that grind and pressure.

Anonymous said...

D1 College play is a lot of work. My daughter received a lot of money both for academics and to play soccer. However, coach did not care that she was hurt and continued to play her to win. So now she has to go for physical therapy and work very hard to get back in shape.

It's a full time job. If we had to do it all over again academics is the way to go!! This is after many years of traveling for soccer and playing at one of the top academies in the state. Not worth the time and effort!!

Anonymous said...

I understand that after his weekend's NPL showcase that coaches have already started showing interest, this is if the PDASouth mother I spoke with is to be believed.

Anonymous said...

"PDA mother (or the one you only spoke to" please stop coming on this site and spewing BS to try and make your club seem more important than it really is. I am quite certain that no college coach proactively communicated with any kids and would have only responded to a player email or call. A coach cannot unless he/she is breaking NCAA regulation contact a Freshman or a sophomore.

A coach cannot talk to you off-campus which means a coach could have watched your kid at a showcase but couldn't have discussed your kid.

A coach cannot call or email a parent or player, but a player can contact a coach.

Are we to believe that coaches were on the phone and email breaking NCAA regulations.

Anonymous said...

Shout out to SDFC

Disney hardware.

Re: PDA players getting first look.....

well, good for them.

Looks are nice

But you'd better have the GOODS or the coaches will go elsewhere.

Now, if there were schools only looking at PDA players, you'd be golden

heh

I do think PDA is a great place to play if you want to almost guarantee a collegiate roster spot of some type. Uou can always get some college to take a PDA kid.

But most seasoned parents are looking for more than just that for their child.

Anonymous said...

Are quality college coaches really flocking to a second rate, rigged showcase like the NPL showcase? I doubt it and this mother's claims.

Anonymous said...

I just got some clarification on the interest shown to the PDA players after Florida. It was the Rutgers coach showing the interest.

Anonymous said...

yea the one who coaches in Newark

Anonymous said...

What a shocker! Now the PDA coach can say, " See, I got college coaches to look at you."

Anonymous said...

10:57

Your jealousy is transparent!



Anonymous said...

so real question:
Are the 2018 kids really seeing significant interest from college coaches after CASL, Disney and Sanford or is it only the top of the pyramid at this point? When would you know if a coach was interested in your child?

Anonymous said...

11:38, what exactly is 10:57 jealous of? Has your daughter been looked at by the Rutger's coach too?

Anonymous said...

Coaches cannot pro actively talk to any Freshman, end of story. If a parent says otherwise either a coach is breaking NCAA rules or the parent is a liar. I vote for the latter.

Anonymous said...

4;42

because parents do the leg work .idiot, inside or outside the ECNL. ECNL just provides a bigger more visible stage and PDA provides just their reputation . In the end the parents know that coaches do very little.

Some will make a call.

But the stage and reputation is at your disposal. the rest is up to the girl on the field and who you reach out to for your daughter Academic college of choice.

Anonymous said...

Hey it's the idiot here. Which coach are you referring to? The club coach or the college coach? The college coach can't do anything even make a call. I doubt any Freshman unless the kid is truly the rare exception is getting any interest especially at an NPL tournament. Division 1 coaches don't know what their needs are 3 years from now yet and unless the have access to one of the few special ones, they will be hesitant to give any kid too much interest now.

Anonymous said...

College coaches can talk to Freshman as long as the player calls them. They can not make the call to the player.
The college coach emails the club coach and indicates interest in the player and provides a number to call the coach. Visit is set up. It doesn't break rules and is happening.

Anonymous said...

Right, so you really believe the PDA mom who within a day if the showcase ending that a group of Freshman are receiving that much interest and it filtered through within a day. It sounds more like people blowing smoke.

Anonymous said...

There are some of the top kids who are truely recruited. By that I mean there is no email from the player to the the school, but instead, the school emails the club coach expressing interest in the player and including the coach's cell number. The email to the club coach requests that the player call the college coach to discuss the school and their interest in the player. And thus begins the dance, which includes "unofficial" visits and negotiations. Often this process with a freshmen takes a year or so to complete. Comittments being made in mid sophmore year or so.

Anonymous said...

PDA 15's not even in Sanford, which means mom is on the wrong blog, or her kid got looks at NPL showcase...

There were many top coaches at ECNL event, and in attendance at games. Parents were given a list each game of coaches in attendance.

Just wondering if the kid is getting looks, why not play with the Gunners? Same cost and travel as NE NPL?

Were Gunners needed to round out the 3 other teams the day after Sanford? Probably not. Just waiting for San Diego.

Anonymous said...

@ 9:20 Thanks for the fact based explanation and you did it without calling anyone an idiot or any other name. Maybe there is hope for humanity. I would wager that the person calling people idiots doesn’t speak that way to parents on the sideline face to face.

There were little to no coaches at the Freshman games at the NPL but plenty of them at the older levels. Legit D1,2 & 3 schools showing serious interest in players.

Anonymous said...

I too heard this PDA south mother going on about the supposed "interest". I agree if her daughter was that good, she would be on Gunners. I believe she is just blowing smoke, she has before.

Anonymous said...

http://clubsoccer.us/TTCollegeList.aspx?tid=USCLUBGS&tab=4&sub=2&sYear=2014&Sex=F

Here is the link to the NPL college coaches. There were a handful of academic elite D1 schools, but keep in mind they only recruit junior year or above as the player needs to have the grades to get in to the school. The other D1s mostly schools northeast players would not have heard of, or the schools sent their associate coach while head coach was at Disney. No need to debate whatever a PDA parent may have said or embellished - it's all online anyway.

Anonymous said...

Enough of this talk, this PDA south mom is notorious for her exaggerations. She incessantly raved abut her daughter's high school goals and now we are hearing about big time college prospects. Let' s move on to a great season!

Anonymous said...

Sorry but I believe the PDA mother and what she is saying. Was I there.....no I wasn't but is what she said believeable....yes and does it happen.....yes and this I know for sure because I seen it and I can tell you from experience in the past that although colleges may not be be able to directly walk up to your kid or you and talk to you about their school or interest in your kid TRUST me there are creative ways of going about it, that are not against rules of any kind. Trust me do you think that every college sends out its HEAD coach to see kids. That is why they have assistant coaches. Trust me it happens in football as well. UNLESS you are that really special person you don't meet the HEAD COACH first you always build that relationship with the assistant that is recruiting you. So for all that talk that this woman does not know what she is talking about and that she is LYING.......I would say to you that you have no clue (in a nice way)and for sure that coaches do go watch these U15's and some U14's just to see whats out there and take notes on whats coming up and who they might want to pay attention to in the years to come. I say all this as FACT not fiction and certainly not opinion. I say that because I went through it and I have help other kids in different sports navigate through the process. So for the PDA mother good for your kid or the kids that were getting the look. Has nothing to do with the letters on her/their chest its just that they must be pretty good players or show signs of being special. Eric Harris

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Anonymous said...

Sorry if I confused you with my blabbering but no it was not at PDA South U15 game but it was a U15 game with teams that were NPL teams at least one was for sure but neither was a PDA team. Trust me they are out there watching kids. On another note that you mentioned PDA.........For all the fellows and ladies that have been in the PDA remember when we always said that soccer has brought us together but would never tear us apart........well its 2015 and WE BETTER get some kind of GRILLING going or mens night out. I know several of the guys get together and never invited me to Hoboken to that steakhouse......lol lol So whats up lets do something. Eric Harris

PS We still have to settle our COOK-OFF that we staged at TCNJ...Man that was soooo much food lol lol

Anonymous said...

Ok
I would like to hear from some athelitica, breaker , or pride parents what are your thoughts on the tournament did you feel it was worth the expense? Did you see any coaches at your daughters games and what did you think about overall competition .....and how about the hotels were you happy with the accomadations. Thanks

Anonymous said...

Having returned from Florida it has taken over a week for the college coaches to begin emailing/calling the club coaches with the players in whom they have interest and then the club coaches a day or so to forward the interest. Only the top few players/team are seeing this type of interest at this point in the U15 year. These are the kids who are probably destined to realize substantial if not full offers. It is a fallacy that college coaches will only seek contact (invite a call) with those players who have already expressed interest in their schools. There are many "cold" invitations being extended at this time. There are also many more schools putting interesting kids on a "watch list" potentially to be alerted to their interest at a later date. But for sure, there are now letters going out to club coaches lamenting the early recruitment timeline but expressing concern that certain outstanding players will likely be committed before too long and the college coaches don't want to miss out on the best.

Anonymous said...

Ok
So what your saying that at this moment the Athletics,breakers and pride coaches have been contacted by interested college coaches and they in turn have forwards this info to the players

Anonymous said...

Perhaps but this comment is in general specifically including ECNL teams...
Odd how everyone gets so excited about PDA gossip and not interested in recruiting fact. But then maybe most of the children of posters on this blog are not destined to be recruited. At least as detailed above...

Anonymous said...

Perhaps the DOC of the South should tell his moms to shut their mouths.

Anonymous said...

Why? What have they said other than there was some college contacts occurring? That seems like good press for PDA. Doesn't seem like something he wouldn't want discussed in a forum. Or really is it that these comments make you worried that your Mia is already behind in the recruiting process...

Anonymous said...

Ok, PDA parent, enjoy the looks by the Rutgers coach.

Anonymous said...

Not a PDA parent. Shackingly this is a region 1 forum and the beyond NJ PDA does not hold the same fascination.

Anonymous said...

Hey I would be darn proud if Rutgers was looking at my kid regardless if its Newark or whatever. I would be proud of that because that means someone outside my family actually thinks my kid is worth watching or at least giving the benefit of the doubt that she is someone. True story.....I was at a track meet in December as of recent watching my daughter run and jump....in my eyes a long way away from anything close to being a track star lol lol but I am watching her high jump and long story short this college coach not knowing I am her dad starts talking me about her and saying that she has potential for a Freshman and he liked how she looked. He also went on to say what school is she from she was from so I told him....no mind you my daughter has never run track needless to say high jump or run hurdles and here she is as a Freshman out there competing against these other seniors and juniors....so what do you think I did knowing me......I told the coach that I was her father and that in my opinion I thought it would be a wise thing to do if he stood around the pit a little longer because I think some far better jumpers were on the way. My point is that if it is happening to my kid I know its happening to others not only in track but soccer as well. So hey Rutgers Newark if you are looking at my kid.........."IM PROUD" and thankful. Eric Harris



Anonymous said...

Be very careful discussing specific children on an anonymous blog. Whether they are your children, or others, it is often an invitation for some ugly bullying. But congrats to your budding track star.

Anonymous said...

Here is the shocking truth about PDA. Most of the haters commenting on this board about PDA are not about PDA North, Shore, or Atletica. It's PDA South. How Come? My kid goes to school and plays HS with a few of the players and I talked to a few of the parents a lot in the Fall There are so many people - current and past - that have very little good to say about the environment. there is lots of talk about about dishonesty and lies and that we should not move if my daughter was happy We were talked out of trying out. The reason that so many come on here talking about PDA South there is no trust and there are a lot of people with a current and past history. They come here to air dirty laundry. The kids don’t like each other, the parents don’t get along, and no one trusts the coach. The stuff that Eric talks about the North being a big happy family sounds doesn't sound like its part of the South.

It would be awesome if we can move away from the PDA talk, but listening to people like Eric and what I hear about PDA South there is a pretty toxic environment in South that doesn’t exist in other parts of PDA. My two cents and time to move on.
.

Anonymous said...

Yes I understand the "BULLYING" issues that go on and how some adults can't help but to knock another kids dream down but for anyone that knows me I am my kids biggest critic and also biggest fan but surely me worrying about some adult saying some foul things about her on a blog is least my worries. As long as the person that says it only says it here where they are safe and protected is a good thing. Now if they were to say it to my kids face or where we it could be heard by either her or someone that would tell me then thats another story. And lets be clear never ever ever ever never ever use the words TRACK STAR next to my kids name lol lol lol thats just a disrespect to TRACK.....as I told that coach......you better wait for the next kids to come through, now I love my kids but I have to tell the truth lol lol. Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

If players are being contacted via cold calls or some type of "watch list" then I bet those are coaches that want the players to attend their summer "ID" camp. In other words, line their pockets.

All coaches take notes on players they have been invited to see or see by chance while watching someone else while attending Sanford, NPL, Disney, etc. You can easily find out if a coach really saw a player. Have the club coach reach out to the college coach and have them ask what they liked and how that player might fit in with that college team.

Anonymous said...

Ah... some of the coaches have actually talked to the club coaches about the players they liked at Sanford or Disney. Or they personally emailed the club coaches and it's the club coaches that pass on the email with the coach's cell number. It is not the ID camp thing; it's the real deal, but keep trying to dimish the kids who did get interest. You don't know what you're talking about. The better teams are handing our player profiles and recording the coaches scouting the games. The players know which coaches were watching, if one they notified of interest was there, and which game a cold call coach saw.

Anonymous said...

Anyone sending a kid to a college ID camp, combine especially the top drawer ones? Any tips from people with older kids?

Anonymous said...

Jeff cup acceptance list is posted.

http://www.gotsport.com/events/teamlist.asp?eventid=39084

Anonymous said...

PDA North can be be difficult for those kids that are talented but are not in the coaches favor.

You must remember that there is a PDA inside of PDA for the favored few. it is often about talent but necessarily.

Your experience can be a great one- neutral one or a negative one. Those that talk about the virtues of this club so openly are usually in the inner circle of PDA.

It is not what I call the median experience, The median experience can be cold and a bit cut throat.





Anonymous said...

Thank you 1032 for being honest and telling it exactly like it is. My daughter was in the inner circle at first and all was peachy, then, the inner circle parents got in the coach's ear and she was relegated to the outer circle. Our experience ran the gamut, in retrospect, it was never a healthy environment.

Anonymous said...

The last 2 post were right on with there comments

Anonymous said...

Wow 3 unhappy pda poster in a a row I luv it
Now tell me what you thought about the showcase

tam said...

NPL showcase was a joke, we should have stayed home!

Anonymous said...

I really cant justify the expense
I.did not see any college coaches
not that they were not there perhaps they were looking at tthe older girls games but none were at my daughters games and.there was not very good competition
They should have kept the better teams in the.same brackets so what if pda vs pda occurs
Hotel was nice

Anonymous said...

10:32

That is the accurate description of this club that I have ever read on this blog!





Anonymous said...

Anyone at the Penn State or UVA ID clinics yedterday? They were both closed when I thought to look for my kid and I wondered how they are and if I shuld be looking far in adcance now for future clinics.

Anonymous said...

my daughter played 2 years for PDA Atletica U11/12. it was a great experience, the team was composed of the next 18 girls out of about 90-100 who tried out for the 4 spots for the Gunners that did not get accepted.

PDA figured there was enough talent in the next 20 or so to form another team. I remembered the speech about how we were a Club, not just teams.

They were the best players in the teams they came from, lots of creativity, confidence and the parents were the best (except one or two of course). We went to the State Cup finals against the Gunners and lost 1-0.

She was cut after 2 years due to injury - no hard feelings. We played in the highest levels - Eclipse Cup in Chicago, Jeff Cup. Even thought our coach was awesome, we're glad she's not interested in playing in that environment. It's really about what your daughter wants.

The college nonsense is bullshit. Academics is the way to go - Soccer is just another extra-curricular, like Music or Art

Anonymous said...

9:03 I recall those tournaments a bit differently than you. Eclipse? AtLetica went 0-3 and had a goal diffetential of 0-11 over those 3 games. Cost to parents to fly daughters out to get their butts whipped? $1,000. Jeff Cup not much better.

Anonymous said...

@903. Where did your daughter go after pda ? Is she still playing ?

Anonymous said...

@ 9:03 “The college nonsense is bullshit. Academics is the way to go - Soccer is just another extra-curricular, like Music or Art”

Agreed. Spot on.

Anonymous said...

Says the parent of the kid with no talent

Anonymous said...

Says the parent who's kid is also a gifted artist.

Anonymous said...

10:11 - yes, true, but we got to see how good other U-11 Teams are. It was really an eye-opener.

11:09 - she went to Match Fit, and she's still playing, but on a lower level Club. We're more interested in training for the long run, just to get the development

11:40 - she may not be as talented as the other girls still in PDA/MF, but she's the Valedictorian of her middle school and plays piano, bass and guitar. We're not counting on soccer to get her accepted, and even if she was super-talented, I don't think she'll even consider schools that will offer her an athletic scholarship, unless the name happens to be Princeton (LOL), or something comparable.

Anonymous said...

People on here don't want to acknowledge that some of the u15 kids are going to be accepted into schools, where the class valedictorian with 2400 SAT didn't get accepted, because of her soccer ability and decent enough grades and scores to prove she can do the work. Others will go to college for free or nearly free and experience the joys of intercollegiate athletics -yes I was a 4 year letter winner in college and loved every minute of it. yes my child has seen serious top 10 interest already- such early interest is not an urban myth. You guys are just trying to make yourself feel better as you realize that your kids' soccer will end before college. You wouldn't be on this board if you didn't care about your kids' soccer or maybe you are just really...peculiar.

Anonymous said...

1215 I am sure there is an "art board" for you to frequent since your child isn't gifted in soccer

Anonymous said...

A kid can get college credits while in H.S. in addition to grants & scholarships for arts & music. That’s more than you can get for soccer.

Anonymous said...

@ 12:22 “People on here don't want to acknowledge that some of the u15 kids are going to be accepted into schools, where the class valedictorian with 2400 SAT didn't get accepted”

After college your top 10 soccer player will be going to work for the 2400 SAT kid

Anonymous said...

Any decent player is going to find a college to play in at some level. The difference is some kids focus on their kid playing and others focus the name of the club and trying to live through the playing of their child. We all know the parent you are, the one who gives your kid a big speech before a game, the one who's kid has to look over to the sideline for approval every 5 minutes, you the one who yells out a set of code words so your kid follows your direction. You probably still pay your kid to score goals. You can talk to a lot of gifted kids who brag about the club they play of the school they are trying to get into, or that they day after a showcase a bunch of schools contacted them, and yes believe or not there are gifted kids that play soccer and have other serious interests, even if there are parents like you who make your priorities your kids.

Anonymous said...

12:48 Maybe even serving them dinner.

Anonymous said...

"the one who yells out a set of code words so your kid follows your direction."

Seen a parent with hand signals...like baseball signals. CERTIFIABLY crazy parent.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

I don't really care if my daughter plays for her College team, as long as she keeps active in athletics. We've scaled down on the soccer expectations because this is the reality. And there's just not that much time after academics and her other interests.

Getting her the training and experience so she can at least have that on her resume is enough. I know that even Ivy League looks for athletes, after academics of course. One thing I won't do is let her attend just any school because they're giving her money for college.

She's played for most of the top clubs in NJ and we've learned a lot along the way. She decided it's not for her, so I accepted that. Three years ago I would have persuaded her to get more training and stay at the top level but things change, kids grow up. I grew up.

Oh, and I read this blog because it's hilarious entertainment.

Anonymous said...

Wait, your all not giving your kids hand signals? How will they know what to do?... LOL

Anonymous said...

"Seen a parent with hand signals...like baseball signals. CERTIFIABLY crazy parent"

DCShore,

Are you referring to a PDA ECNL Dad? I know him.

LOL

Anonymous said...

You know what is really funny, there are still parents paying their kids to score goals, and its not a dollar like when your kid was 5. Now that encourages team play.

Anonymous said...

I understand parents of kids who don’t have anything other than soccer to offer to a college, they should be extremely focused on the athletics angle. In actuality, women’s soccer is very low on the scale of talents to get college dollars. Academics #1.

Anonymous said...

The chances of anyone going to college for "free or nearly free" because of a soccer scholarship are extremely low.

Only around 10% of girls that play in high school actually play in college. Only 14 full-time equivalency scholarships are available per D1 team, and those are usually spread amongst the team. I believe the average athletic scholarship across all sports is less than $10,000 when you don't include football and basketball scholarships.

In reality, you kid will get more merit based financial aid than athletic aid, so tell them to study.

Anonymous said...

If academics don't count, why do we have to post our child's GPA on our team's website? AND why do some parents fudge it? I know fora fact of a mom entering a 4.0 when her child can barely break Cs. AND this parent still pays her kid for scoring high school and club goals. Scary...

Anonymous said...

Some of you are just being flat out mean to each other on this lol lol....does it really matter if your kid goes to a top 10 school for sports or academics. Trust me I preach to my kid about grades are the most important thing to a student athelete because without them you will not be able to play this game that you love or like so dearly for long. I would disagree that those who don't get a 2400 on the SAT or have a 4.0+ GPA will have those as myself who the highest I ever received on the SAT's was a 990 and thats out of 1600 but clearly I had a couple of best friends that got perfect scores and does that make them better than me or does that give them more opportunities than me....certainly not but what it did do was give us both opportunities in different manners. At the end of the day its not about what you know is WHO you know. There are plenty of Princton Grads without jobs. That is no knock on Princton because as I said my best friend in High School attended and he is a fine lawyer and still best friend. A lot of what people are saying on this board is their own insecurities to this whole soccer stuff and thinking too far ahead. I will say this and I don't care who you are or where you from doesn't matter to me but I have not seen one girl that I have not thought was legit or had the ability to be. Mind you parents these girls are still "BABIES" they barely can go into the bathroom without us asking them did they wash their hands lol lol lol. I mean cmon each and everyone of these kids whether she is at PDA, MATCHFIT, WOrld Class, FC Copa, Freehold, Jackson etc has just the same opportunties and the other. It comes down to what that kid whats to do at the end of the day. Those kids that want to be great then guess what that kid will be as long as they keep working hard and going after their dreams, will that same kid be a great student and go on to be successful in something other than sports......I bet again they will if they choose to work hard and continue to strive to be the best that they can be. Scholarships are not my concern...now my kid I am sure she wants one but trust me I tell her all the time Scholarship are not something that is given but something that is earned and if you have it you better be willing to earn year in and year out. No such thing as a 4 year scholarship. Same goes if you have an academic scholarship its year to year so don't think you got it made there either. Do I give my kid a talk before each game HECK YEAH I do....I tell her to do HER JOB I don't care about scoring or defending. Thats not my concern as a parent. I remind her to do her DAG ON JOB........whatever the coach ask she better be doing it. I for one don't need hand signals my voice can be heard clearly....yeah yeah I know I shouldn't say anything but I am a fan and I can't help myself sometime. Anyway stop being mean to each other lol lol Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

We need a new rule, posts should be 300 characters or less.

Anonymous said...

Better yet everyone should have to register a first and last name with club affli.. Thats GREAT RULE....Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

Based on the history, you would then have to enjoy the conversation with yourself. At least you would get someone agreeing with you al the time.

Anonymous said...

@1:29, can you say "ball hog"! lol

Anonymous said...

@3:14
Hilarious! Especially since I would be one of the rule breakers!

Students should choose the school that best matches their academic interests.
Walk on to tryouts.
If you don't make the team there is always intramurals.
Enjoy life and Enjoy the game for as long as you can, school and beyond.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Yes - DCShore - Intramurals can be such fun.

Hey Eric, brother, there's a lot of mean people out there but I know it will never change you - just say it like it is.

Alex (Gaby's Dad)

Anonymous said...

PDA, Match Fit, and all the other top clubs sell themselves through fear that in fact, every player does NOT have the same opportunities. They claim that their players get better opportunities than all the others.

They use this fear to heavily monetize youth soccer. So really, do PDA players really just have the same opportunities as every other player?

Anonymous said...

@7:29
I hope you were being sincere.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

DCShore - yes I am. I know Eric when my daughter was at PDA and we've remained friends on the sidelines. You may not agree with him or the way he expresses himself but at least he's real, honest and doesn't hide behind anonymity. It's more than I can say about most of the posters here.

PDA is not for everybody, us included. But if your daughter never played for these clubs you'll never know what it means and you'll forever be on the outside and it's easy to trash talk.

There's good and not so good, but all things being equal, it's so much better to have experienced belonging to PDA, MF, World Class, and the like.

My daughter has played in 6 clubs in 7 years and players/parents in these academies are generally classier and have more social skills than the rest. Even though some of them will stab you in the back, they'll do it with a smile. I would say 75% of the families in these academies are great to deal with, as opposed to over 50%+ that are obnoxious in the other places. This is from my own personal experience.

Anonymous said...

Can I ask why your daughter played with so many clubs ? Was it difficult for her to change ? And what county do you live in that you are geographically able to make that work ? Inquiring minds want to know !

Anonymous said...

It's not a matter of whether or not I agree with Eric.
Most of the time I really don't even understand him.

What I can tell is that his daughter is in a good spot for herself, which is ok by me.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Sure. Those that know me and my daughter would know this to be true. At U10 she played for a travel team in Bayonne but wanted to take it to the next level and there wasn't any program around Hudson County that we thought was good - back then I knew absolutely nothing about youth soccer, and still wished I didn't. It was so simple.

She played for summer select at STA U-10 but one day we were invited by a friend to try out for PDA. I didn't know what/who they were. She was accepted for the then 2nd team Atletica and stayed for 2 years until cut due to injuries.

She played Super-Y for Match Fit summer pre-U-13 then accepted to the newly formed Match Fit (North) NPL Team, formerly the Roxbury Rovers. Great team, very athletic players but really not her style of play. There was a lot of turmoil as MF was getting accepted into ECNL and we decided to leave.

Ended up at Copa at U-14, great organization, a place that we thought was home until we had a falling out with the principals, which I would not discuss here.

So, we're with GFA/TSF Valkyries U-15. Great club - excellent training year round 4 times a week if you want it, indoors and out. Metuchen Sportplex has WiFi, hot running water in the bathrooms, tables, chairs to catch up on work.

Is that enough detail for you?

Anonymous said...

@ 9:54 PM What’s the cost at GFA? Is it around the same as PDA/Copa or is it significantly less?

Anonymous said...

Alex, man what imformation you gave bro and trust me you know I am going to continue to be me regardless the dude on the porch is saying or says. Alex you hit some spots right on and not only that you use your name which in my eyes is even more reason why people should listen and respond to what you wrote. The one thing that hit home for me was the fact that you said that Gab got cut. I don't blame that Gab but I do blame that on PDA because I am totally against cutting any kid when you are in the business of developing. Just think of when she was cut and I will say cut because it comes from you and your word is your bond and I know you and I know you would not tell some made up story but any club that says they are development or whatever should see the process out for every kid. When the Gunners/Atletica group was about 50 kids deep I was so happy because I actually thought that why play games outside your club when you can just have scrimmages inside your club and control the environment and not worry about the winning aspect but the development which is most important. When you think about it Gabs best soccer years are yet to come because she is still growing as a person outside of being a player. That is one thing that I don't like about youth sports and maybe its the academy setting that gets at me but I feel there is no need to cut any kid. We as culture want our kids to experience that "EUROPE" style of soccer but we do the exact opposite as clubs and sometimes parents. I will still say that there has not been one kid that I come across that I feel will not make it. Coaches do have their say but the fact that you have moved Gab to a place you deemed meets your expectations only shows that you have it right. Its not about the letters on your chest its about what is best for your her and that she continues to get better and develops as player and person outside of the game. I still need to find out where you guys are having your parties so that I can crash it lol lol lol Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

Hey Eric - although she was disappointed that she wasn't returning the next season, there were no hard feelings anywhere. We parted in good terms and. The then coach was clear it wasn't his choice to cut players and the only fair criteria was who had missed the most training/playing time. She missed the girls and we missed the parents.

She's happy with where she is in soccer, and not interested in that high-pressure environment. For us, we can do without the trips to Chicago, Florida or farther.

We have learned a lot along the way

It's all good, bro
-Alex

Anonymous said...

@954 wow, thank you very much for being so forthcoming, detailed and organized. sometimes I read conversations on here and I can't follow them b/c of my lack of knowledge and the fact that other than eric harris, soccer nut and the DC shore guy, no one uses a name (including myself for that matter).

Your daughter has had an interesting journey. My hat is off to her for being able to make so many changes - I know that it can be hard going to new places and not knowing anyone, especially in a competitive environment.

I'm glad you have found a happy home w/ the Valkyries, and thank you for telling your story.

PS: To cut someone b/c of an injury is really sucky IMO, especially if it was a soccer injury.

Anonymous said...

@9:54
PDA was by far least expensive - no extra fees for tournaments or Coach expenses, but that was 3 years ago. MF and GFA are about the same but in GFA/Valkyries we receive a lot of training options, minimum 3x a week

Anonymous said...

When my daughter was at Match Fit, we had to pay 2,400 for the year which only included training 2x a week. Uniforms, pre-season camp, Futsal, tournaments, coaching and travel fees for tournament, winter league all that was separate so we were in probably 3,500 a year and training was subpart!!

Our current club includes training two or three times a week and we do not have to pay extra for tournaments and coaching fees. Training is much better and coach treat players like human beings not just like another number!!

Tami said...

In reference to the other post about posting our daughter's GPA on our website, how do other's feel about it? Do you believe the other poster's claim that parents lie?

Anonymous said...

Is there a growing difference between the top tier and the rest? Europa and Stallions are bottom of the table in mid tier flights at Disney? Are the top teams consolidating talent this year?

Anonymous said...

@Jan13 8:17pm

If you don't mind saying, which club is your daughter playing with?

Anonymous said...

Parents don't lie, everything posted here is 100% correct without anything but good motives.

Anonymous said...

Jeff cup top bracket with YMS. Think they might be slipping. Would have rather seen what Stikers could have done against the ECNL. Will get an idea though with the hybrid Usysa/ ecnl fc Va team in the mix.

Anonymous said...

Penn Strikers are in Nevada for Nat'l League, but I suspect they would have been the choice for the top bracket had they entered.

All flights are now posted:
http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=39084&Group=Girls_15

Anonymous said...

The full Jeff Cup brackets are out. Do people think this is a fair reflection of the region. We've had the debate here before, but I am a bit surprised that with a few exceptions the NPL teams seem to be playing all in the lower brackets.

It will also be interesting to see how the non-ECNL clubs compete with the ECNL clubs.

Anonymous said...

The JeffCup brackets seem decent. We all know the shortcomings of GS rankings, but within each state they seem to be fairly reasonable.

They seemed to do a fair job of spreading the talent out across the divisions. The GS Point allocations are pretty evenly spread amongst the divisions. Champion 10,000, Elite Orange 9000, Elite Black 9500, and Superior both at 8000.

The Elite brackets look to have teams ranked in the top 1-3 (state ranking) and at least one ECNL team in each bracket. That seems acceptable. There are a few teams with higher rankings that are further down, but it looks like they looked at recent performance more than just point totals.

In my opinion, the only glaring mistake is putting Richmond ECNL in the Champions division. I think even putting Bethesda in there is a bit of a stretch, but if they wanted to put at least one ECNL team in each group, who else was there? With FC Penn out of town, I think there's several other teams that could make a strong case. In any event, Group B certainly is the weaker side on paper. Group A looks like the Group of Death.

I will pick NEFC over Cleveland in the Championship final.

Anonymous said...

With the exception of Gunners, the PDA 2-4 teams are placed higher than they deserve. They are receiving the benefit of the PDA marketing machine and their over- hyped exaggeration of the NENPL league and florida mini showcase.

Anonymous said...

The whole NPL is getting benefit. Anyone playing at an NPL team were told that that it will be the next best thing to the ECNL and you can earn your way to the ECNL. Yet, they are almost all playing in low brackets at the Jeff Cup.

Anonymous said...

@336
That s right !

Anonymous said...

Just looking for advice. We joined a new team and were promised high level tournaments. So far we have not done not even one tournament and are doing three local tournaments in the Spring (low level) The team is around 2,400 a year a training 2x a week year round. NO winter league, no scrimmages, no high level tournament. Is this correct?

Anonymous said...

Is it a new team or an established team.

Anonymous said...

Well at least all the PDA teams should win their brackets, right?

Anonymous said...

How's the coach? Do you feel the training is quality? Are the other kids at or above the talent level of your child? Do you have other options? Guesting?

Anonymous said...

@8:54 - It all really boils down to what you think the best thing is to move towards whatever her goals are (playing in college, or just improving and playing for fun). If you think the top level tournaments are what your kid needs to progress, and you think she needs training more than 2x a week, then it sounds like it's no good. If, on the other hand, she likes the team, enjoys training, and is getting something out of it, then it would be tough to leave.

Anonymous said...

With all the whinning I had to look at the Jeff Cup brackets and to be honest I think there is no Championship Bracket or Elite for that matter. I really think they did a good job in spreading out teams based on location. To be honest I see teams in the Classic and Platinum that could beat teams in the Championship Bracket. Trust some of my buddies down in Florida aren't happy with where they are placed until I explained to them that some of the teams in that bracket are very good and could beat any team in this tournament on any given day. I will say I really like the Elite Black grouping. That is a bracket that so many stories could be made. You have FC Copa, Manhattan, Everton, ISA who have been and still top teams in the region let alone maybe country when they are healthy. Thats just my opinion Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

If your team was promised high level tournaments. It is hard to get into a tournament without Got Soccer points. For all the criticism of GotSoccer, tournaments cannot know every team. You should talk to your coach who may be trying to accumulate points with local tournaments before trying to get accepted to high level tournaments.

If you look at the Jeff Cup brackets beyond the ECNL clubs it is clear that the Jeff Cup used Got Soccer rankings to determine place.

While $2400 is on par with the big clubs, you have to assess that agains the value you receive, coaching, quality of the training, etc.

$2400 is a reasonable price based on the current market. If you played for PDA, you pay $2500 regardless of whether you play for the Pride or the Gunners yet in one you get exposure to the high level stuff and in the other you are a second sister trying to prove yourself. But the coaching time and is the same and that's the price you pay. Are you better off on a second or third team at PDA or a Match Fit or on a smaller club trying to build something, at least your child may get more focused attention at a smaller club.

Anonymous said...

8:08 AM with the exception of the Gunners, I don't think any PDA stands a chance of getting out of their brackets. They all should be at least one bracket lower.

The Vegas bookmakers came out with the over/under on the total Pride goals in the tournament. Based on last years output, they set it at 1.

Anonymous said...

Sheesshhhh...you had me nervous for a minute I actually though you might know something about soccer lol lol....I am just glad that your Vegas Bookmakers aren't mine because they are straight robbing you because with this being a "SHOWCASE" lol lol they is no championship game if I am not mistaken but hey I could be wrong. With your attitude I am sad that your daughter is no longer with PDA and I hope that she comes back but with your attitude against the Pride you are wrong man......just wrong but hey without HATERS like you there would be no SOCCER BLOGS so keep hating on kids. Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

JeffCup has a championship at U15:

Format of Play:
U10 to U15 will play Championship Format on Saturday and Sunday

U16 and older will play Showcase Format on Friday, Saturday and Sunday

Source: http://jeffersoncup.strikerstournaments.com

Anonymous said...

Eric,

I apologize to all of the kids that read this blog and my comments and I am sorry if I offended any 14-15 year olds on this blog. My comment was meant to hate on a club that continues to do the same things and expects a different result. Yes I follow PDA, no I don't expect things to change, and my comment was directed at a system that rewards average play. Yes, i hold a grudge, no my daughter didn't play for PDA. My daughter was strongly encouraged by the coach several years in a row to tryout only to be told no. It's her best local option and she wants to play with kids she knows. Some people on the Pride probably know who I am because they too have encouraged us for several years to tryout.

Anonymous said...

Mannnnn, @1:17pm.....MUCH RESPECT MUCH RESPECT....hey no apology is needed. I should be apologizing to you because here I was telling you to cool down when its not my kid that has endured what your child has and thats the "CHANCE" Now you are the people on this blog that has meaning and has validity to comments made. My comments are stupid and sometimes sarcastic and really take away from guys like what you and my brother ALEX had to say. See it is your examples of why not teams or clubs but why our SOCCER CULTURE is suffering. When you hear stories of yours and ALEX and probably dozens more on this blog I say why not as adults we stand together and do something. Well I will say this and sure as my name is Eric Harris I will make any call or email anyone at PDA and ask for your child to get a shot or a chance. We have 4 teams at PDA and there just got to be a place for her. I mean I get no special favors and they owe me nothing but I do believe in them and I do believe what they tell me and I have seen what they have done for my daughter and thats give her the chance and thats all I will ask them or better yet I will go with you and your daughter and ask face to face with you and her need be. Once again I am sorry for your daughters experience but instead of bash the letters lets approach them and let her state her case to them and then lets go from there. Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

Eric, please stop jumping to the defense of PDA south. It is a whole other beast entirely. Poor communication, empty promises, and a core group of the coach' s favorites. 117 should consider yourself lucky, your daughter dodged a bullet.

Anonymous said...

@ 6:34 PM - Your post(s) suggest that coaches don't or shouldn't have options as to the technical, physical and tactical qualities of a player. Ignorance is a quality that appears to be one that you are comfortable with and there is one clear beneficial quality shared by most all soccer teams (with the exception of a few) ... they are all fortunate not to have you standing with them on their sidelines!

Anonymous said...

For a moment this blog appeared to be headed in the direction of meaningful soccer discussion only to be derailed, once again, by the tired agendas of those like 1217 and 634.

Anonymous said...

Completely agree with 10:05 and can only hope that the hate will someday mature into something healthier.

Anonymous said...

What was wrong with 634's post? Is there good communication? Is there fulfilled promises? Is there not an inner circle who have the DOC' s ear? Is this poster making all this up?

Anonymous said...

634's post is nothing more then an anonymous comment consisting of unsubstantiated statements intended to inflate self worth.

Anonymous said...

Our Biggest Mistake: Talent selection instead of talent identification -

http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/our-biggest-mistake-talent-selection-instead-of-talent-identification/

"American youth sports are far too often focused on talent selection, and not talent identification. We are committed to winning now, to getting on ESPN, or achieving some hypothetical pre-pubescent national ranking. Yes, some team sport clubs have B and C teams and develop large numbers of players. Others have those same B and C teams, and players are often jettisoned there with less experienced coaches, less committed teammates and an overall lesser experience.

We say we are developing them for the future, but all too often we are using them to balance the budget. We select the current talent that will help us win now, because if we do not, the club down the road will grab them and win, and our best players will leave. We are not identifying and developing the kids who are most likely to become elite competitors after puberty. We are selecting the ones who already are elite, but often do not have the characteristics needed for long term elite performance."

DCShore

Anonymous said...

I agree we do a poor job of talent identification in favor of talent selection. I do however, disagree that it is impossible to identify talent in youth players. I also disagree with the train them en masse with the goal of bringing the weaker players up. We will then have a mass of mediocre players, when in fact, to produce America's first t(yes I mean first) world class players in order to truly challenge the world, we must identify talent. In fact the rest of the world does do that. La Masia do not train every 9 year old. The identify potential and train those players.
These guys say it better than me:

http://blog.3four3.com/2013/07/15/soccer-player-development-philosophy/

Anonymous said...

We do train en masse, but we have various levels that the kid plays at so that kids at a higher level are afforded more exposure oppotunities. The problem is that there are few high level teams and every year there are few roster spots that new kids are competing for. And you hear it often that if a kid can't crack the top 11 then they won't be brought in. We have discussed this here previously. The problem in my view is that if a team emerges or is able to attract new kids, that team because of where it is from or who it is, is not afforded the same opportunities as bigger clubs. People are critical of the Northeast NPL and they rightly should. If that league is supposed to be the next step down from the ECNL, then why is there no promotion or relegation of teams. That is a mediocre league and there are many other clubs that have proven themselves worthy of the opportunity. The same holds true for the ECNL. However because these leagues are club dependent we are fostering mediocrity. People are hesitant to admit it but it is filtering up to the the quality at the next levels. I personalyy hope the Jeff Cup demonstrates this because there seems to be a good mix of non-ECNL and non-NPL Clubs playing each other. I suspect though that after the Jeff Cup, Clubs and leagues will go back to their protective bubble.

Anonymous said...

The PDA South discussions will likely continue. The coach has a special ability create disloyalty.

Anonymous said...

10:20 AM - What's next on the agenda? Let's explore the ways you might try to feel better about yourself today ... punish a pet, steal someone's parking spot, short-tip the waiter/waitress, take candy from a baby.

Anonymous said...

Textbook bullying behavior from 1020

Anonymous said...

@6:34 Jan.20, 2015 I will continue to defend PDA no matter if its NORTH, SOUTH, SHORE, etc. I will defend it because I know first hand that they mean well and they trying. I know there is a business side of things no one is stupid enough to think otherwise, but nothing is wrong with that. One my complain that coaches favor certain players or groups of people.........NAME ONE COACH that doesn't......Even in my very short professional football career my coaches favored some players over others. Is that wrong.....No not all its the relationship that those players built with the coach. No matter what level you look at coaches are always going to show this kind of treatment to players that maybe they have built up some form of relationship with. Look at Hope Solo not to judge her or her actions but the reason why she is still where she is at is because of the personal relationships she has built with maybe her coaches or the National Team. Same can be said for Jamis Winston of Florida State and not to judge his actions but Coach Jimbo and him have a good relationship and although he has had some questionable actions take place in his life Coach Fisher has choice to stand with his player as well as the US National Team with Solo so do we fault them or say they are bad.....DEBATE-ABLE but I will say nothing is wrong with it. My daughter has dodged no bullet and frankly my daughter has train and played with PDA South in games and trust me the coaches and families have been nothing but great to her and us as a family. Sometimes I feel that if you feel that you have been so wrongly done or your child has been I said it before and I will say it again. If you write or call the coach or whoever and "LET YOUR DAUGHTER" do the talking I will bet you anything you want that the coach or whoever will listen to "HER" because I have seen it first hand and thats why I will always respect what they do. Although I pay the bills they are not suppose to listen to me and tell them how to do things but when their player confronts them and talks to them they should listen to them and that has been proven not in my opinion but that is a FACT. Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

I'll let it go does but if you get a chance please comment on what has actually been written that is inaccurate?

Anonymous said...

I think that you are mixing 2 different things. If USWNT coach or a college coach is loyal to a fault then there are consequences if it doesn't work out. How long did Greg Ryan last after benching Hope Solo in the 2007 World Cup. His loyalty was probably misguided in the scope of the entire USWNT. If Jameis Winston wasn't the best chance for FSU to get to a National Championship then you may very well have seen a very different situation. A coach and school put their school's reputation at risk for football. Hope Solo felt the sting of watching a World Cup from the sidelines and watching her team lose feeling that she was the best player for a situation. Youth coahes are often given carte blanche by club boards. Youth Coaches make a lot of mistakes, some have very poor judgement, some coach with fear. That's why parents have to guide their kids to the best situations.

Anonymous said...

Since coaches are human they have certain biases that they probably fight, but can't completely conquer. Are there any truly unbiased humans out there? They might be biased because they prefer a style of play and some players fit that style more than others. They might be biased because one of the players reminds him of a player that he helped to achieve success in the past. Parents perceive these and other "innocent" biases as unfair. I don't think they are exactly unfair, but there is no way that a parent will be able to erase them. We moved our daughter because of the former bias and she has been much more successful at the new team with the new coach - despite the new team's playing at a higher level. If you are not happy with your child's situation- try and change it if you can, but f you cant you have to make a decision: leave or stay.

Some coaches have biases based on the donations parents make to the teams, past but not present success of players, and hot moms. Get out quickly of these biases adversely affect your child.

Anonymous said...

Given the anonymous nature of this blog the accuracy of most every post is suspect especially when presented in the context of questionable intent

Anonymous said...

Anonymous or not, I think the intent of many people is quite clear. Some people have had a bad experience, feel their child was not treated fairly or with respect, and they come on here to exact whatever type of "revenge" they can to make them feel better. I'm fine with that, it does get annoying when it is the constant droning on on about the same thing over and over again that becomes a bit much. It is also a bit much when you hear the same thing over and over again about how great a situation is. Kids get cut kids don't get playing time a coach singles out a kid and comes across as tougher on one kid more than others. These are all reasons that parents get pissed off and sometimes they probably have a case and other times they are blinded by being a parent. I am not naive enough to think though that all these coaches are competent at coaching teenage girls.

Anonymous said...

1201, there is a point by where it crosses the line and has the potential (either intended or unintended) to harm others. The "revenge" part is where it all goes bad - Cyber-Bullying. In short, I'm NOT fine with that.

Anonymous said...

@8:56
You'll have to forgive me for laughing at the article you posted and the author. If I had to guess I would think the guy is drinking his own Kool-Aid in support of a Club/Academy that he is running. Of course I read the bio...and bingo for some $'s and attention to his blog he'll show us all how to be winners.

I quote "Dedicated to real player development and winning. One does not have to compromise the other."

Of course this philosophy is supported because he is a "talent selector", supported by his blog post (though as someone pointed out) contradicted by another post of his.

I would not give this guy a dollar...let alone my child to develop.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

"Soccer is a simple game, but within that simplicity lies complexity."

Another deep though. LMAO.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Are any of THEIR videos, not links to other teams/programs, available on You Tube.

To be fair they may be awkward marketers but sensational trainers. I'd like o see.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

Found some videos on their site.

The videos definitely show the teams playing THE GAME. I have to give credit where credit is due.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

The Kleibans are pretty famous in most soccer circles. Your ignorance is showing DC. They developed Ben Lederman who is one of the kids who caused Barcelona to lose their transfer options. Also look at the 2001 U14 BNT first camp of the cycle. They developed 5 or so of these players. Their players are largely hispanic and by no means wealthy. They fundraised and worked hard to bring their teams' kids to Barcelona to play and 2 were identified (the other is John Hilton, Xuh-Xuh). They were briefly at Chivas USA after leaving Barcelona USA. They also have a vision thats could change US soccer if enough follow their lead. Hence many in the soccer establishment hate them. Read more and enlighten yourself.

Anonymous said...

@8:42

"Most circles" ok. Just not mine...well until yesterday.
I take no offense because I admitted as much. There is no denying that what I saw in terms of play in those videos was rock solid. I am impressed and happy to see it. I do maintain however that their messages/writings are somewhat awkward but that is far from a crime.

I enlighten myself as much as I can. I have no problem admitting as much. What you saw in those videos is THE GAME. Based on what I saw. I'd follow their lead.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

I saw a few of the videos as welland it's good stuff. The difficulty is for our kids is finding the right environment for development of individual and team play. I think there is a real issue with the quality of coaches. I may generalizing, but most coaches have neve been trained to coach. They played soccer, they understand soccer, but can they teach soccer. I don't think so, and most coaches turn up at games and coach, they show up at practice at coach, but how many of these coaches outside of wins and losses are ever supervised and developed. May daughter has played at 3 higher level clubs and 1 mid level town team, and I have rarely seen a DOC watching games or watching how a coach teaches the game in practice. My sense is that there are a lot of good soccer players who are pretty average teachers.

Anonymous said...

How true. The problem is that most of the parents have no clue how to evaluate a soccer coach. Some coaches are good marketers. They are very personable and latch into a few of they key players' parents telling them that this is the best team ever and their kids are unbelievable with national potential. They are talking about "their system" (major flag) in their British accent and how their superstar is key to the team's success and the parents are lulled into believing they have a great place for their kid when they are 11 or 12. Why,because the snake told them their kid is great and they are winning games with a few early puberty kids. Then unfortunately when the kids are 15 they don't know how to really play. They aren't getting any interest from colleges playing in the 10 th bracket at Jeff cup or not being accepted at all. They realize too late for their kid to be able to compete at the highest levels, that their kid is poorly positioned for college level soccer. Shame.
There are coaches licensing courses and NSCAA certificates etc. No guarantee at all with these but at least a little assurance that they take their coaching seriously if they are B licensed or above. Best is trying to educate yourself so you can be more effective evaluating a coach for your younger kids. Our 15s are already pretty disadvantaged if they have been subjected to a snake.

Anonymous said...

@7:57
So very true in many regards but you'll have to accept my apologies in advance for not caring for college soccer very much. It's usually an extension of High School ball. Upper echelon athletes trying to outpace each other. YES there are exceptions but not many.

This is the age though where you certainly can identify who can play THE GAME. At this point whether you play for a town team or academy you either know THE GAME or you don't. The player scan identify it themselves now. No parents required.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

DCShore, I don't care about college soccer myself (or the so called scholarships available) . I consider the "investment" of playing in a high-level Club/Academy as a good addition to my daughter's resume to compliment her SAT and Academic and musical achievements.

I would like to think my daughter plays "The Game", and to that end, do you think this really matters to those who are not fantasizing about their daughter playing college ball or dreaming about the USWNT or the Pros?
-Alex

Anonymous said...

If she truly plays "the game" as you guys use the term, it's at a snails pace if she is playing town soccer. Else her team would be in national league or ECNL. Or at least the lame region 1 champions league. But as long as she enjoys it and contributes to the growing soccer culture in the US that's a good thing. Those of us with kids getting emails and calls directed to us by club coaches from college coaches are just delusional that our kids will play D1 college soccer and possibly beyond. Don't we always complain about the money being made by the clubs and coaches? Maybe my kid will be collecting on your grandchildren's experience. After she graduated from a top level school that your kid won't get accepted into with her grades, scores, and town soccer resume.

Anonymous said...

8:48 You are an absolute joke. You have no idea of the opportunities that exist for exceptional students. Just like there is a top 1% of soccer players, there is a top 1% of student that get afforded tremendous opportunities that you know nothing about, and it is those opportunities that will propel those students further than what any athletic soccer scholarship will get a player. There are kids right now competing for entrance into summer programs for science, math, physics, etc. Do you think that the top schools only recruit for athletics? The are teachers every day recommending the best and the brightest kids to special programs. Anyone who thinks that being an exceptional soccer player is more important than being an exceptional student is absolutely ridiculous. I assume your daughter has not been approached by a teacher to consider summer internships or ask to participate in a University Summer Scholar Program. You see, just like most kids playing soccer are not thinking about ID2 camps or ECNL, most good students are not thinking about advanced educational opportunities that will open up more scholarship opportunities than soccer ever will, and I am fortunate to have a child to blessed with the very high level educational opportunities and the high level soccer opportunities. But I can tell you this, If my daughter were to get accepted into a UNC Invitation Only Soccer camp or a Johns Hopkins Summer Internship, it would not even be a choice which one she would be attending. The soccer stuff unless you have the top top top level soccer player has a shelf-life, the educational opportunities will last beyond college. You may want to do a bit of homework as to the true opportunities that exist for educationally gifted students.

Anonymous said...

@6:38 PM

"I would like to think my daughter plays "The Game", and to that end, do you think this really matters to those who are not fantasizing about their daughter playing college ball or dreaming about the USWNT or the Pros? "

---> Sure, she may be. I can't know for sure, nor do I think it is important to focus on your daughter. I am ok with assuming the best.
I think it does matter for those of us who love the sport and want to see the U.S. more successful at it at the National level. It is also important for our domestic leagues.
I DOUBT any child's life will be ruined by not knowing THE GAME, but assuming most of us are soccer people we should care and that should be our goal at EVERY level. Some of the greatest soccer minds in the world were very average (putting it nicely) players. But they know THE GAME.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

@6:38 PM

"I would like to think my daughter plays "The Game", and to that end, do you think this really matters to those who are not fantasizing about their daughter playing college ball or dreaming about the USWNT or the Pros? "

---> Sure, she may be. I can't know for sure, nor do I think it is important to focus on your daughter. I am ok with assuming the best.
I think it does matter for those of us who love the sport and want to see the U.S. more successful at it at the National level. It is also important for our domestic leagues.
I DOUBT any child's life will be ruined by not knowing THE GAME, but assuming most of us are soccer people we should care and that should be our goal at EVERY level. Some of the greatest soccer minds in the world were very average (putting it nicely) players. But they know THE GAME.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

@8:48

I have no idea what your babble is about.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

8:48 Are you for real?

Anonymous said...

1109 If you are all about academics, then why are you on a soccer forum at 1109? Your insecurities are showing. The "academics" on here are expressing their frustration with their children's inadequacy by constantly bashing those of us whose children find success with soccer. All the while they are assuming that their children are academically more accomplished that ours. Read the literature on high IQ people and you will find that most times they are multitalented. Hence the assumption that high soccer achievement correlates with low academic achievement is summarily false.


DC shore, its about the fact that some kids can make a very nice living from soccer. In fact one of the frequent threads through the drabble is that the major clubs are making a mint and the kids aren't getting a good value.
By the way your reading comprehension might be lacking. Better get a tutor.

Anonymous said...

9:40 You make some broad assumptions from my post. You are the reason people dislike the big clubs. There is an arrogance of I am better than you that comes through loud and clear.

I am on a soccer blog because my daughter plays soccer and it is important to her. If you actually read my post. It is this crap "After she graduated from a top level school that your kid won't get accepted into with her grades, scores, and town soccer resume." It's this stuff that reeks of arrogance and is unnecessary. So yeah, I felt the need to point out that there are a lot of ways to achieve beyond a soccer scholarship and there are a lot more of those opportunities than are for athletics.

Anonymous said...

If soccer is important to her as you say is the reason that you are on this forum (doubt that is the reason but I don't doubt that soccer is important to her) then you have done her a disservice by keeping her on the local daddy run travel team. . But you know that at some level and that's why you are angry. Probably you are the daddy coach or one of his cronies.

Anonymous said...

Yes, put down people for the individual choices they make, I am sure that makes you feel better about the choices that you make.

Hey Eric, If you want to know why people have a bad taste in their mouth about clubs like PDA, it's people like 8:48/11:40 who feel the need to put down people for the choices that they make.

11:40 the truth is no one cares where my daughter plays except our family and no one cares where your daughter plays except your family.

Anonymous said...

@9:40
What a mess of a sentence. Mama must be proud.
Please tell me where you get tutored so I know where NOT to go.

I also get the feeling you never actually read what others opinions actually are. You never think what is being written through. You base EVERYTHING on your own personal first hand experience. Experience which for most is rather thin and shallow.

While I have no opposition to players becoming professional soccer players, can you define what "Good Living" means for the women's side? Comparatively speaking, the actual sum of money (pay) would be considered lower middle class by man. But YOU tell me.

@12:52
" the truth is no one cares where my daughter plays except our family and no one cares where your daughter plays except your family."

---> perfectly summed up. Good job.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

@12:52pm I see that as a way to justify the sterotypes or maybe the anger you have with PDA. See what the poster said was strictly his or her opinion and that only. Its like the folks that talk about the "GAME" or playing the game. Its their opinion how they feel the game should be played its not fact and in my opinion as long as you have a ball you are "PLAYING THE GAME" See I am not like the sterotype that you place upon those who kids play at an academy. I am still waiting for you to contact me so that we can sort things out for your daughter. I told you and my word is my bond that I will either go with you or on "HER" behalf and speak to whoever to find a home for that young lady at PDA. Am I making you any promises that things will turn out different.....nope but what I will promise you is that they will listen to her voice and hear her voice and then make a decision based off that and I do know that is a FACT. I am sure I have met you over at PDA South or North and I know this is not a place where people throw around names unlike myself but I am okay with that because I am me and I am very comfortable in my skin lets say. My true advice to you is only really respond to what only applies to you. Meaning that a lot of these folks have a lot of stuff to say but all of it may not apply to your child or directly to you. For the record you child is going to make it no matter what they say. I don't care what anyone says but EDUCATION is the way to go and if you just happen to be great at soccer its a bonus but I will tell anyone as I tell my daughter you will an EX Player a lot longer than you will be whatever profession you choice to master, so have a plan for after soccer because someday its going to come for all of these kids. Yes maybe some sooner than others but it will come so you better teach your kids to have PLAN B already rolling. Eric Harris

Anonymous said...

Are teams seeing much in the way of player mix up this off season? Kids trying to get late onto a better team for the spring showcase season? Any teams finding it tough to field a spring team this year as the kids are now in high school? Major player transfers in the works? My child is getting some texts from kids she knows from ODP and summer teams past inquiring about her team. Was wondering if this is a widespread phenomenon or a local one.

Anonymous said...

I have seen quite a bit of rumblings from people that moved teams that are saying that they are not happy. I think a lot of people underestimate the challenges of switching teams and having to prove yourself all over again. Most of the talk I have heard is switching for next year.

Anonymous said...

Anybody at there with their player on the first travel team they started with?

Curious as to what the numbers are.

Since this is anonymous, how many travel teams has your player been on?

I'll start off by saying one for my one child and 2 for my other.

DCShore

Anonymous said...

2 kids. Each changed clubs once Younger is only U12 and a very strong player. Sooo reluctant to consider a move even though the one other strong player left for high level club. Great match for her with the coach and the team. Inquiry was made about her last fall when we had occasion to compete against high level team. Only mentioning that because IMO that confirms she is in a great place and should stay put.

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