Hopefully you at least researched the coach before you signed up. Why pay that much and not have a great coach that will develop your daughter. If he / she is a great coach stick it out.
How is the team going to develop as a whole if they only train and maybe scrimmage against each other. Why pay that amount when you can get much more in another team. Stay for Spring and start looking at other opportunities. What area are you in?
on the PDA College acceptance list, I find it interesting that only the girls from ECNL were accepted to some Ivy's but not the other groups
Congrats to the USWNT on winning the Algarve Cup. I’m only a casual USWNT observer but they made winning one of the most prestigious tournaments of the year look pretty routine. Looks to me they like they need to tighten up some stuff but are in as good a place as anyone heading into the World Cup.
Woo hooSoccer begins this weekendGood Luck to all the girls,Hopefully we can get some mud slinging startedIt's been a boring winter on the blog Looking forward to some pda and match fit bashing !
PDA and Match Fit PARENTS make it so easy....
@10:44Yes, Congrats to the UWNT. I did not catch the match so I have no commentary but what I have read i fairly positive. I am very happy for the players and US Soccer.DCShore
I feel pda parents are among the best human beings in the world !
You mean the finest ?
You meant finest ?
9;54What is the connection between GFA, Valkyries and TSF? I thought TSF was out of Lincoln Park in North Jersey.
I think people fail to realize that when you play for the greatest club ever created, you have every right to have a superiority complex.
TSF, valkaries and GFI formed some teams out of Metuchen. Right now they have a u15G team made out of ex TSF, Matchfit, and FC Copa players, NJSA 04, (u14 players
Another Frankenteam of D1 prospects? I kid, I kid.DCShore
Everyone knows all the PDA girls will snatch up all the D1 scholarships, at least that is what our coach says!
You need to spearate the PDAs, looking at the recruitment list of the north, I'd say that they pretty much meet their promise. The rest not so much. You can play for any NPL team and get the same results. Coaches see through that the remainder of the PDA teams play low caliber competition, crumble when they are challenged, and normally get placed in a protective bubble at PDA tournaments or like the NPL showcase so they can't fail.
It's also kind of funny that PDA put 3 teams in the NJ Cup. It's kind of like the lottery, the more more you enter the better chance you have to win.
PDA BREAKERS lost NJSA Bulldogs 5-1Embarassing
You got it wrong EDP has score reversed on schedule
SDFC tied PDA Shore 1-1, SDFC had lead until last 10 minutes of game.
You guys get to caught up in what the score was, who led most of game.. who really cares, the question for any of these games should be who possessed the ball more, who had better chances. That's what matters. I'm so surprised that Adults on this blog still concern themselves with irrelevant aspects of the game, this isn't U11 or U12.. grow up, it really shows the ignorance of some.. Good luck to all teams heading to Jeff Cup this weekend, hopefully all will represent Jersey well!
@ 11:44 I agree to a point, you still have to remember the girls playing the game care about the results. People are allowed to say what they like without being told they are ignorant. No need for being negative. Good luck to all the teams in Jeff Cup. Have nice day!
You are correct! But... I'm willing to bet none of those girls are talking about the game played yesterday or on the blog boasting about who led most of the game, to be honest.. it sounded like a parent who thought their team didn't have a chance and was surprised of the outcome. That should never be the case if you play for a quality team, which both mentioned are... not being negative, just wish the blog for this age group could be a little better. Talk about how some of these games are played and less about who was leading or beat who.. let the kids worry and boast about that.
@2:25Completely agree. I'd rather here about how each team played the game. 1-1, 5-1, 1-0...does not mean much to me.My daughter's team has played their best soccer in many of their losses and looked like complete garbage in victories.I usually chalk it up to self-absorbed parents.DCShore
PDA May have submitted three teams for NJ cup but don't kid yourselves, Pride and Breakers will be sufficiently padded with Gunners, just like they did last year. Hopefully they won't suffer the same fate as last year...
Keep your eye on the prize. The goal is an NJ Cup. How it is accomplished doesn't matter. It will just be one more misleading link to recruit the future generations.
Good Morning everybody, Anybody have predictions on Jeff cup this weekend? Looks like weather will be bad on Friday ok on Sat and Sun>
YesPDA doesn't place first or second in any division they are in !
Doesn't seem like anyone is biting on your PDA rant.. what a miserable life you must live if you allow an organization or better yet a group of teams filled with 14 and 15 year old kids consume so much of your thought process concerning youth soccer. Are you that scarred to feel that way about youth teams with innocent kids who love playing the game and having. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree my friend, there is enough evil in this world.. look in the mirror! What if your child was on the receiving end of your rants? Good luck to all Jersey teams @ Jeff Cup this weekend, represent well..
Good luck to all the Jersey Girls!
Wow The truth really stung youJust stating factsBut you had to make it personalThis wasn't aimed at hurting the girls feeling Your response should have been Will see after cup
Didn't sting me at all, I just believe in being a good person and was hoping I could get you out of the way of that thing call KARMA! It doesn't matter where any of the Jersey teams finish as long as they play to their full potential. It is a Championship format at a College Showcase.. again just shows your ignorance to the game..
2:49/4:21's behavior is consistent with that of an individual struggling with confidence issue. Repeated attempts to demean others are intended to boost self-esteem. Common among young adults, it can be observed during play dates, on the playground, within blogs and even on the pitch. Some individuals may be predisposed to it while it may be a learned behavior for others. The scary part is that he/she likely has children learning from his/her behaviors.
@421 - You suggest that you are "just stating facts". What facts? At best, your post is a wishful thought. In the future, please spare us all from "your" facts.
I'm not 2:49/4:21 but I do know from experience that people put up with a lot crap and let their children's self-esteem get brutalized by coaches just to say their kid plays at special well known club, and this is often driven by the parents not the kids because the parents have a dream. Those coaches do nothing help build those kid's self esteem back up. No that job is left for the parents. There is no doubt in my mind that there are many parents of kids on clubs carrying 20-28 kids that have to work to repair self-esteem every weekend so they can live the dream and wear the jersey.
That's right !
I'm not 249/421 either
I'm not 2:49/4:21 either and find it amusing that we feel compelled to disassociate ourselves from such cowardly posts.
Ok, so when PDA wins all their brackets (Pride in the 5th??), all the PDA haters will be chastised and we will realize you ARE the best club in NJ.
@249, yes they do, they place well at the PDA spring tournament and the PDA NPL showcases!
7:52 As far as I know there is only one person on this blog that signs his name to his posts. What is more cowardly and amusing is people that call others cowardly while being cowardly themselves. Perhaps you are willing to associate yourself to your posts.
I agree with 651 in that there are coaches out there that can damage a player's self-esteem as I personally removed my child from such a situation. Such coaches are not necessarily associated with well know clubs or teams with large rosters. I have found these coaches are more apt to be working among the mid-level clubs/teams chasing unrealistic goals. The well know clubs can be more selective and have the ability to remove the bad apples and the local town clubs tend to engage well intended volunteers.
I'm assuming the cowardly act being referred to is wishing failure on kids and the teams they play on, you can say your not directing the negative comments toward the kids but.. they are the ones competing and playing the game, who else could you possibly be referring to? Wish all Jersey teams well and keep it moving, why have such negative feeling toward one group of kids.. as far as coaches tearing down kids confidence on teams with 22-26 players, why blame the coach? I can't figure out why a parent would agree to have their child on a team with a large roster like that, unless your child is in the top 14 it makes no sense. That is strictly the parent being delusionalin thinking their child will Crack the top roster. I'm sure every child wants to be on the field rather than sit, there is a team for everyone at every level. Parents get caught up with who their child plays for and feels the need to push their child to a situation that may not be best for that kid. Parents make poor decisions that eventually hurt the kid.. remember, kids want to play not brag about who they play for. If parents would stop living their dreams through their kids, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There is a level and team for every kid involved in youth soccer, it's up to the parents to find the right one for their child
I am not 2:49/4:21 and can only imagine why they don't associate themselves with their posts.
I had some catching up to do this morning. Looks like the bully (2:49/4:21) has woken from their winter nap. Most would agree that this blog would be better served if they simple went back to sleep.
8:00 AM Why is someone expressing a belief or a hope the PDA does not succeed at the Jeff Cup bullying? I'm sure almost everyone on this blog favors one team or another for one reason or another. I'm not the guy who wrote the Jeff Cup PDA comment, but I get it. Some people dislike PDA because they are successful, some people do not like PDA because they believe their model is bad for soccer, and some people don't like PDA because they feel that have left a trail of kids with empty promises and treated them very poorly. Yes, I don't like the PDA model and how they have treated players, it is nothing against the kids, but I'd prefer to see other clubs being more successful.
ExactlyI am against the bda modelYou don't develop you recruit or in the case of the breakers you out right by a top ten teamBut all you pda robots try to say We are insulting the girlsAbsolutely not !I'm with you 229/421
Bullying can take on many different forms. For example social bullying generally involves the manipulation of others through gossip and being mean. In my view, 249's post is essentially that. Although irrelevant, their reasoning could range from counteracting low self-esteem, having been bullied themselves, submitting to peer pressure, repeating observed behavior, defensive response, jealousy, etc.If the intention is to initiate some sort of change, there are a countless number of alternative approaches such as identifying clubs with good models, wishing other teams success, promoting clubs who deliver on their promises, highlighting coaches who display desirable qualities, etc. Although it may be an overused cliche, "you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar".Over time, some on this blog have diminished its value through the use of bullying. Regardless of their reasoning, bullying should not be tolerated. It is not funny or entertaining ... it's just mean.As suggested earlier, we'd all be better off if the bullies were to craw back into the holes they came from.
I think your wrong, and I've seen far worse bullying py players and coaches at PDA and at other clubs and I think this is a good place to voice their views. It's going to get worse before it gets better because tryouts are always a time when a clubs true colors show through. Many newly disgruntled people will voice their views. I'm happy we are not dealing with the BS and are in a better place.
Not sure why you think I'm wrong; but, I generally agree with you. My point, which I hope you can agree with, is that posts wishing failure on kids and the teams they play on have no value aside from serving the selfish needs of their author.
How did a question about Jefferson Cup become all about PDA? Is this a Region 1 blog or a PDA (pro or con) blog?
my daughter has played for both PDA and Match Fit. It's neither good nor bad, it only depends on what your expectation is.I think the crybabies on this forum had never experienced how it is to be belong to a top notch academy, therefore the ignorance, jealousy and hatred.grow up, soccer is just a small part of you and your daughter's experience
My daughter was at PDA and I witnessed a lot of bullying taking place. It seemed that everyone was trying to get ahead and get noticed. I can understand kids bullying each other but it seemed like the coach was encouraging it. They're supposed to be professionals Coaches should alwaysencourage his players and provide a positive environment.
My daughter was bullied at a town club where the volunteers did nothing and the professionals at the academy are no better.
The parents sign a code of conduct form but the coaches can do whatever they want and there is no accountability for their actions.Finding the right environment for your child can be difficult.
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I'm not sure of the genesis of this blog but if I had to guess in the beginning i was mostly the parents of daughters on more successful/higher ranked teams bickering over who is "really #1".A whole lot of unfulfilled desires, empty promises, self-absorption and self-praise later the battle continues. I have no problem speaking directly about any situation but it has always been my policy to keep it on topic. In my opinion most of youth soccer is a mess. That ranges from the sloppily cobbled together town teams up tot he predatory, anti-development business development academies. As I do not have a horse in this "my daughter/daughter's team is #1 race" i just like countering the dummy views with some kind of real vision for the sport and what youth soccer might be. There are far more credentialed people involved in the sport trying to do the same thing (so their is consistency and vision at every level...not to be confused with every kid/team will be a great kid/team...but at least know THE GAME) but at present moment there is too much money and too many self-absorbed parents, and financially motivated coaches and club officials. Or in many, many cases folks who simply do not know any better and there is no consistent and readily reliable mechanism to help.This is almost never about the kids themselves. And despite all of the problems I see I am just as happy to see a kid from a BDA realize some of their aspirations as I am the local town team. I just try and keep perspective.DCShore
Look's like 2:49's prediction are coming true even if he is a bully.
Most NJ teams not doing well at Jefferson Cup. Cannot compete with other top teams!!LOL
Another dumb comment from a person whose daughter obviously got cut from a good jersey team. Keep going to your small town tourney and tell your kid to enjoy community college.
Yes 353, let us know when your daughter's dangling D1 free ride happens. Keep drinking the Koolaid.
I sure will what's your number? That's what being a part of ecnl is all about. But I'm sure you wouldn't know about that.
Before it got personal, is is true that NJ teams are not faring well, PDA with 4 teams hasn't won a game yet, Copa hasn't won a game yet, Freehold hasn't won a game, SJEB is 1-1, and TRE hasn't won a game.. Overall, not great. In my view, that's the consequence of what's been happening in NJ. One club is recruiting the best kids from across the state, diluting all the teams in NJ, and then carry 4 teams with 20+ rosters and diluting talent across its own club.
Why do you care. Your job as a parent is to keep your daughter happy. Don't worry what everyone else is doing. If she isn't having a good time or her team is struggling then try something else.
I care, it is a discussion on soccer about the dilution of talent across NJ soccer which I believe has been bad for the state of soccer in NJ. So is your point that we shouldn't be discussing the Jeff Cup?
It's more of a showcase. College coaches could care less who wins. They are looking for individuals that can help their program.
So I guess that explains it, no one cares how a well a team does as longs a college coach is watching your kid. Actually sounds like a recipe for failure where kids focus on themselves rather than team. College coaches show up to teams as well, remember that NPL Showcase in Florida. That was a waste of my and everybody's time, No coaches, well except for maybe Rutgers really cared about watching a bunch of average teams.
I am assuming after this weekend' s showing at Jeff Cup, everyone will be flocking to. PDA tryouts. I bet there were plenty of college coaches watching the 4th, 5th, and 6th divisions looking for talent...
I find it absolutely amazing that there are so many parents on this site who can't wait to see 14 & 15 yo's fail. Not all can win all the time and not all teams loss all the time. Be happy for those who can excel and help their parents offset the cost of their education through scholarships whether it be athletic or academic. Grow up and stop bullying the young girls, this time is such a short period of their lives.
Just got back from Jeff Cup, and we got to see some really good soccer. I know the weather has made it difficult for many of the teams to practice, but there was a lot of quality there this weekend.For all the negativity about PDA, I got to see them for the first time. I caught most of the first half of the Gunners game with FCV. To me, they outplayed FCV but just couldn't break down the defense and score. They had some kids out there that could really play. I wish I could have caught NEFC, but I didn't get the chance. I was able to catch some of the Championship division games and a lot of the Elite (black & orange) games. All the games I saw were evenly matched, and were either draws or decided by a goal.As far as the ECNL vs NPL vs USYS teams, it was a tossup. The quality of soccer on the field was pretty equal regardless of the team.
@7:38PMI agree. That is why we need open leagues. There is quality at all levels but for the truly best to be developed and for the sport to grow we need to stop worrying about D1 scholarships and money. I have seen real quality, teams playing the game, across many leagues. Yes, it even starts at the local leagues. Take a quality teams that are not in ECNL and let them scrimmage the ECNL teams. Within a short span you will see the speed of play equalize and then you have a match.From a quality perspective good soccer can be found from the local leagues on up.Get rid of the $'s you help advance the game and save parents some $'s. Or at least apply the $'s properly to their child.I wanted to go to Jeff cup this year but unfortunately it was iced/snowed out on the boys side this year. I am sure I would have enjoyed watching the girls teams play as well.DCShore
TRYOUTS COMING UP IN APRIL. Can you give me your opinion about smaller opinions such as Nj Stallions, Valkyries, TSF, NJCSA, etc.?HOw is their training and development?
@9:50PMI do not have any first hand knowledge but I do know several players/parents in NJCSA, and coaches at both TSF, NJ Stallions and NJCSA.My honest opinion is that all are able to provide quality training. Impossible to fully gauge that. The groups know the game in general terms and know how to teach it.Execution on game day may be a problem at times, mainly because it is a results oriented business. So you do not always get to see the quality of the training in the actual game. Development is the key question. And much of it depends on how you define development. Is development taking a player on for one season, training them but then cutting them loose if you are able to recruit a stronger/more desired player? This is where most if not all academies fail in my opinion. There is no real commitment to development. They harvest the strongest players (yes even plucking from the "lower" leagues, and work with them for as long as they are attractive. At the end of the day most of us would have no problems with our daughters playing with any of the above groups. Unfortunately a lot more goes into it then just playing. Money, travel, time, politics etc.DEFINITELY try and talk to players/parents in each program. Talk to the coaches/trainers if you can as well. More often than not there are lots of tells as to where a program is and where it is headed. Otherwise, and especially at this age, it is a big leap of faith. You may be switching teams/clubs and buying new uniforms for the next 3 years. A good handful of club team options in the Ocean/Monmouth area as well. It all depends on what you are looking for.DCshore
Quick comment on Jeff Cup. I was there with our team in the top flight, saw a lot of soccer and got a chance to see all 8 teams play. Hats off to all the players I did not see one kid out there who was not giving it everything they had. That said it's a showcase tournament and the coaches there (and there were many) are there to see players not teams. Many of these girls including my daughter have written to a number of coaches letting them know they have interest in attending their schools. At everyone of our games there were multiple coaches on the players sideline talking to our coach during the game. They are asking about the player(s) and what different positions they play, and also asking if they can see them play in those different positions. They might only be there for a half or maybe less. Some stay for whole game, it just depends what they want to see. It's really no different than an ID camp, they want to see players vs players. From this point on it's really not about the winning, it's about showcasing your talents to get into a school that you are interested in attending. In college it will be about winning.
9:42 I disagree that it is like an ID Camp. No coach wants to see individual play of a kid highlight their own skill at the expense of their team. If often happens that you have individuals who get selfish at showcases and coaches hate it. They want to see the player's skill, but they want to see it as part of a team.
Out of interest, after the performance at the Jeff Cup, I'd be interested in how people rank the top teams in NJ.I also wonder what people people think about the Northeast NPL. I think people believed that being attached to an ECNL team would attract talent and build the NPL clubs up. Looking at the results of the Northeast NPL teams at the Jeff Cup at fairly low brackets, it seems to be a plan that hasn't delivered just yet.
10:04 You are correct, my choice of words comparing Jeff Cup to an ID camp was wrong. What I was trying to say is that they are not there to see the teams and could careless about who wins. They want to see players playing soccer. As far as your point about kids hogging the ball at an ID camp - trust me that helps them very little. All coaches look for work rate, skill set and IQ. All have to be very good to play at next level.
People will complain that the regional and national pool has too many ECNL players. The region 1 camp was this weekend. The ECNL teams that had players selected to attend the region 1 combine camp had their players go the camp. Some other teams that had players selected had the players attend the Jeff Cup over the region 1 combine. How are these players going to reach the regional and national pools if they go to tournaments instead of the regional combine camps? Should winning at the Jeff Cup be more important than giving your selected players exposure to regional and national team coaches?
If they need to be seen by a college coach at Jeff Cup, wouldn't that be the priority?
@ 3:58 If the player is good enough to make the USWNT, they will, regardless of whether they go to a particular regional camp, attend the Jeff Cup or stay home and play wall ball. Have faith, the people running US Soccer know what they’re doing.
perhaps, but they set up this regional combine specifically to bring the best kids to the national coach's attention. They are not scouting the 4th bracket at jeff cup. Again the Urban myth that if the kid is good she will be seen no matter for which team she plays. There are clearly matters of circumstance wherein the player has to be in a venue to be seen (alert MSSL is probably not it). Further the player must be competing against a level of competition that inspires confidence in the scouts, whether college or national team, that the player is of the quality they seek.
All I ever hear is it’s not about winning or losing, it’s all about development. Ok but, when is it about winning and losing?
Anyone ever have their child come into the car after a tough game or a tough tournament and say, "Wow, it felt great to be developed today?"
Have had her come into car exhausted and troubled at the limited playing time given to some of her team mates. They understand that not playing the strongest players all game long translates into loses sometimes and they are OK with it.
You only need to look at Winslow Township soccer to know that people spew a lot of BS without really knowing anything. Winslow has 3 girls committed to playing D-1 soccer - NC, NC State, and Georgetown. Go back and look at who and where these girls were playing when they were 15. CJYSA, MAPS, MSSL, EDP, and lower brackets at showcase tournaments. They also played and competed in a lot of futsal. The kids worked hard, went to ID camps, reached out to coaches, and got seen, and they made the most of it when they were seen.Are your chances better at the big clubs, sure, the clubs income depends on it, but they do this by recruiting more than they develop.There is something to be said for playing on a team, sticking with a team and trying to build something rather than the ugliness that occurs with parents and kids where the players and the parents don't even like each other and the coach does little to manage it. Just wait for these showcases in the coming years when your daughter and another girl who plays the same position both invite a coach to a game (it may have already started this year). I promise you it gets ugly and often you won't even know that another player or parent is trying to stab you in the back.Don't believe the hype that you have to be at an ECNL club to be successful. These guys at US Club Soccer want you to believe that you need to be at an ECNL club for exposure and college, and if your not at an ECNL club then you must be at an NPL club. If the Jeff Cup showed anything, good well coached teams can achieve regardless of the letters of their league or the letters on their shirt.
Refreshing post. Colleges need to promote some of these success stories outside of the ECNL juggernaut to encourage this path to success. Talented kids to whom ECNL is not an option need to hear them.
The region 1 combine was more important than the JC. It was an opportunity for the best players in the region to be looked at for the national team. This group of players are already on the radar of college coaches and will be scouted many times.
FYI... the Winslow Tigers team is an exception to the rule.. many of the girls who helped them with their success in their earlier years have all moved on to academy teams, the coaches daughter is one of the best players in the Region and would be just that on any team, she is special! only 3 kids were mentioned as getting scholarships, where are the other 15 going?
Does it really matter where the other 15 are going. 3 kids that played for a town team, stayed with a town team, put in the work and got noticed playing in places that many people lift their noses at. The real point is that if you are a special player, and you put in the effort you can get noticed. I think you made my point that an exceptional kid didn't need to got to the ECNL to be successful. Sure, does an ECNL club have more kids going D-1, yeah but that's because they are actively recruiting kids away from the Winslow type team so they are concentrating talent in one place. Nothing you said changes the fact that Winslow played in CJYsA, EDP, MSSL, and lower levels of showcases. Someone was arguing this morning that you can't get noticed their. People have so much vested in the new US Club Soccer ECNL/NPL model they can't in the least accept that there are other paths to achievement
Yes..the point is that exceptions to the rule exist thank goodness. The marketing avalanche of ECNL would discourage this path which is the ONLY path for many players. The success stories are valuable to those players and colleges that want access to those players.
There only exceptions because they didn't buy into the marketing. What the Winslow story says is that if your talented and you work hard, you don't need the ECNL. But then nothing I say will concince, you've bought into it.
@ 4:21 .... FYI 3 will be attending "R" your power house, and I believe you know this. Others include Towson, Monmouth & Coastal schools. One from what I was told no longer plays soccer due to injury, now is a highly recruited rower. Congratulations to those girls. Would you believe the other's are 2017 & 2018 girls? All of these girls are "special!" More importantly the Man that put his time into this group is special.Clap for him, now my question to you is where have you sent any of your players & who have you developed!?
743 I do not have faith in the people running s soccer at all. Evidence the performance of the u20 in last years WC. No way were they the best u20s in the country. Now to the USSF's defense, they actually did something about the debacle. They now have a way to track even year kids now. That world cup team was dominated by odd year play ups because the feds has no idea who was really available in the even birth year to play.
I think you will have to agree there are many clubs not associated with ECNL that produce D1 talent. ECNL has a great marketing ploy to list their talent. Aside from Winslow Township soccer talents that went on to play D1, there are teams like FC Pennsylvania Strikers that produce D1 talent without drinking the ECNL Kool-aide, also, if I am not mistaken NEFC produces quality talent etc. I think the national pool is focused on the ECNL brand and may have to venture out of that mold to scout talent.
@ 8:43 I’m just starting to follow the USWNT program. The comments on this blog is what caused my interest. One thing I hope that the leadership of us soccer is not overly concerned about is results in a u20 tournament. Everything they do should be about development for the Olympics & World Cup imo. I just watched the Algarve Cup and the USWNT looked as good if not better than any team in that tournament. They had a good mix of youth and veteran players and appeared to be significantly focusing on development and evaluation. The old timers on the team saw their minutes greatly reduced or completely eliminated in some cases. It was clear, to me at least, that they have a solid development plan in place. Due to the information I received on this board I also watched some of a recent u17 USWNT tournament. If I remember correctly, there were 1 or 2 u14 players that saw some minutes for the US side. Again in that tournament I felt as though the coaches were more concerned with looking to develop and evaluate then they were with results. The sky is not falling in regards to the USWNT program. As one article posted on this board stated from one of the coaches, you can’t focus on development and still expect to completely dominate every game and tournament every year without a hiccup here and there.
"The sky is not falling in regards to the USWNT program."-----> I think we all hope that it bottomed out and is.Rebuilding and retooling. A little more time to tell but some of those changes in personnel you mention are significant steps in the right direction.It's tough to evaluate phantom talent. Talent that must be surely out there but we never get to see play.DCShore
You have just started following the USWNT but are now a pundit.The Kentucky coach's interview is interesting regarding winning versus development and He quotes Jill Ellis on the feeling that the u14s on to the full team feel they have to win every event and there is less room for development.http://equalizersoccer.com/2015/02/17/jon-lipsitz-kentucky-coach-analyzes-uswnt-win-development/another one to help you in your quest to become a soccer pundithttp://equalizersoccer.com/2015/01/30/uswnt-youth-development-plans-academy-residency-ncaa-nwsl-training/Jill Ellis, "Our goals are to win at every level. We train our players on how to win during the course of their development, from matriculation when we first bring them on as U-14s to when they matriculate through our program. We train the mentality of finding ways to win all the way through the program.“Any time we enter a tournament we have to play to win, with the understanding certainly at our younger age groups when you go into say an international friendly tournament, that part of the process of developing is playing the players that we bring to a tournament. So you might mix your starting lineup a little bit. The goal is always to win, the goal is to find ways to win."I guess you didn't read Jill Ellis' quote wherein she says we are looking for results
@ 4:39 lol Of course I’m no pundit, as I wrote those were just my opinions. But thanks for belittling my opinions and observations. Is that how you speak in person with everyone who might disagree with you? I’ll go back and read those articles that you seem to have cherry picked quotes from but like I said in my original post, I believe they are continually assessing talent and don’t always have what they might view as the best 11 on the field going for the jugular all the time. In the Algarve Cup game that they did not win, they emptied the bench. Of course I believe the 11 on the field are always trying to win but they might not always have the top 11 or might also be experimenting with formations and tactics while also attempting to get a W.
4:39 is a reason why people use this blog less and less, his tone has no place here, but trying to win every game is not he same as knowing that you will lose some. Players and coaches seek to win every game, that's what competitors do. But the USWNT is seeking to peak at the world cup, so when they play now they are working with new formations an new match-ups which means sometimes it will work and some times it will blow-up. If Jill Ellis gets it right no one will care and if Jill Ellis gets it wrong people will be screaming. I personally believe the USWNT is in a decline that is unfixable for this world cup. They fird the last coach because the players (stars) didn't like that he was experimenting and playing others more than the traditional stars. Wambach can't compete at this level anymore and we will see if Ellis does anything about that. The US can go far but I'm not sure they can hold up consistently against the world's best.
Jeff Cup was a disaster for NJ teams. NJ girls soccer needs a total overhaul Rankings and quality of teams are obviously overstated We argue about who has the best program in NJ but we can't compete against other states. Something is wrong here
Jeff Cup conflicted with Regional TC.NJ can more than hold its own Nationally at this age group.
So I am assuming from the post that only NJ players attended the Regional Camp. No, I believe there is something more fundamental at play. NJ can sustain more ECNL clubs, but because there are only 2 many top level players are going to PA or NY to play ECNL, sitting on a Roster of 24+, or playing NPL. Also, whether we like it or not PDA is a draw so the PDA teams after the Gunners are drawing kids away because of the name. Many kids have been impacted and what we've seen is a dilution of kids on teams across the state.
Perhaps I'm reading the information wrong, but I see nj "top" teams attending the Jeff Cup and they didn't win one game.
I think I have it right, PA did not fare much betterGunners 0 WPDA Shore 0 WTRE 0 WCopa 0 WSJEB 1 WPDA Pride 1 WFreehold 0 WAtletica 0 WMatch Fit NPL 0 WRush Grey 4 WTSF 1 WPrinceton 1 WMercer Magic 1 WJersey United 2 W
Stand by my comment - NJ "top" teams that were seated in top brackets did not win any games. Even if some players were away - it shouldn't have caused this result. Are you saying there is a big dropoff in quality in the girls that remained to play? Something is wrong !
Not that big a pool of players really available. You need to have the talent, motivation and $$$$$ all available in one player. Two of the three are not enough.
Lol. You do understand there is a huge difference in level of play for the teams playing top 2 brackets, compared to brackets 3-6? A tie or 1 point game is a perfectly acceptable result playing against the best teams on the eastern seaboard. And the talent seemed to be evenly spread between ecnl and npl teams.Nothing is wrong with nj and PA teams. This discussion comes up every early spring, and then by the summer the haters disappear because the tri state area has a month to get back outside and back into the rhythm of elite level play again.
Exactly. Weather plays a huge factor. take the top kids off teams and yes,it totally changes the dynamics as well.NJ is just fine.
Several teams in top brackets did not play a single game prior to Jeff Cup. NEFC, Arsenal PA, YMS and other played 4-6 matches prior. If you don't think this makes a difference, you are wrong. If you check the teams in top 2 brackets you will see improvement after first game of any team that lacked previous games this Spring. To come to Jeff Cup with no outside matches or practice and to expect great results is not being realistic.
The weather has been bad from Virginia to Maine. The boys Jeff Cup was cancelled 2 weeks prior because fields were snow covered. If the teams did well we would have heard how great they were in spite of not training. Very few teams have had consistent training and consistent playing.You guys have so much vested in the ECNL model that you have an excuse at every corner. Last year people were on here saying that it was over for the NEFC because their best striker was recruited by an ECNL team. You lost, your team didn't play well, get over it.
Anybody who doesn't think PDA is not at all concerned or embarrassed by their performance is nuts. As a club, PDA won 1 of 12 games.Winter, Spring, Summer, or Fall, that is not a good showing for a Club that touts itself as the #1 Club in the Country.
I don't see why anyone would bother to draw any conclusions unless they have an agenda? I am Sure PDA goal is to get to Seattle and do well. If they really cared,I am sure they would have insisted that all players were in attendance and not subbed much. NEFC are a great team.PDA are as well. I would love to see an environment in which the best teams faced off in league play, home and away.
Unfortunately, the powers that be do not want have anything to do with league play, so all we have is these tournaments to judge. I think the model is bad that many clubs are excluded from league play. You get arbitrary limits on the number of ECNL teams in a state. With PDA, yes, I guess you can say I have an agenda, but then many if not all people on this blog do. My agenda is this, as a club I think that PDA has harmed NJ soccer to the detriment of the kids playing. They have blocked other ECNL clubs to force kids into their system. It has meant that many high level kids are either sitting on a 24+ roster, going to PA or NY to play ECNL, or playing on an NPL team. PDA ha also sold themselves as something special and drew a lot of kids from other clubs over because of the name and the hope to get on the ECNL team. What I think it has done is weakened teams around the state and by spreading those kids across 3 PDA teams it has weakened the PDA teams beyond Gunners where you have 75 kids hoping they get a shot at the ECNL. I think the model is bad and bad for soccer. NJ teams are not faring well outside of the state beyond the Jeff Cup. The Northeast NPL is supposed to be the next best thing to the ECNL but the competition there has been subpar at best. Yeah, I guess my hope is that we go back to a day where kids can play and stay with a club for a while with out thinking that they have to play in a a specific league or for a specific club. I believe the the Jeff Cup shows that things aren't working. I can accept that the Gunners played in a tough grouping and those games were competitive and could have gone the other way. The Gunners are the exception because they are a magnet for the most talented players. Beyond that, show me a team that was even remotely competitive in Virginia - Was it Copa? Freehold the state cup champs? The 3 other PDA teams? TRE? SJEB? No NJ was not even close to being competitive.
Let's acknowledge in advance that if PDA, Copa etc. fair well in the NJ Cup vs their smaller club counterparts it's all attributable to the fact that for MOST town teams this will be their first games of the season period.YES you heard it hear folks. I see a lot of town team (what's left of them) in some tough groupings. Let's be sure to make excuses for them in advance. In advance any PDA victory in NJ Cup gets an asterisk.I'd like to see may of the local town/club teams get a few cracks at the academies during the season. Of course that will never happen. There is a business to protect.DCShore
Not going to bat for PDA but, the Shore team that played in the second bracket appeared to be very competitive according to bracket results, 2 ties and a loss to Albertson ECNL.. what exactly do you consider competitive? Let me guess, the score! The score doesn't always reflect the results of how a game was played, the team that may have dominated play in many of those games at Jeff Cup may not have gotten the favorable result. That is in any age group.. I saw several Jersey teams compete very well! If you consider the success of several of the teams by score or results, that's sad. Compete is the key word! Obviously many have a different meaning for the word.. I would consider not competing 4-0 and beyond, the Professionals have game's that end 0-0,1-0,2-2 etc.. does that mean the other team didn't compete? There are several Jersey team that will get better as teams get in game shape, Relax
0-0 can be a blowout on the field and 3-0 can be a tight game on the field. And on any given game anyone can beat anyone. But over extended games, if you are the better team, you will win more than you lose or tie. If you read what the poster put earlier, there were 14 teams at the Jeff Cup from NJ, if you throw in the eastern PA teams it's actually a lot worse. 14 teams, likely about 40 games, 9 wins and 4 by one team and almost all the wins in the lower brackets. I think statisticians what not call that a freak occurrence but a trend. If you add in Estern PA YMS won 1, FC Buck ECNL 0, Penn Fusion ECNL won 1, FC Delco won 1, LDC 1, FC Bucks NPL won 2. I think only 2 teams in all brackets from Eastern PA and NJ won more than 1 game. You can stick your head in the sand and say it's the first tournament, but I think the performance shows something far worse happening with the soccer landscape in NJ, but like you said, let's see at the end of the season when there is more out of state competition.
I can assure you there is no College Coach sitting at his or her desk right now in disbelief that any one team beat another team, College Coaches recruit players not teams! People on this forum need to understand that asap, next year will be a very important year for most girls in this age group.. the tournament directors who flight these team and even accept these teams do it very carefully. I will bet that most Jersey teams that COMPETED this weekend will be there again next year, that is because the people who select the teams realize what quality is..the girls who COMPETED this weekend are also a step ahead of several kids who's teams didn't even get accepted to the tournament.. look at the big picture and you may get a better understanding of how this thing called Showcasing works.. this isn't my first go round trust me!
Jurgen, I'm not sure how you switched the discussion to college coaches. We know ECNL has an advantage, we know US Soccer signed an agreement with the Jeff Cup to preferentially provide spaces to NPL teams. This closed environment of soccer is part of the problem. For most of the year, these closed leagues live in their bubble all year, and then like yourself make excuses when things do not go well when they leave their bubble. It's kind of like the Florida NPL showcase, rather than go to Disney US Soccer is trying to create their bubble of tournament when the real tournament was 50 miles away. No matter how you spin it, last weekend was not a good one for NJ and Eastern PA soccer
Trying to understand your fascination with NJ Soccer as a whole. Is it because you really care about the development of the game in this area? Who knows. I know that many of the best kids from these teams in the top bracket did not attend. I know that until the game is open to more players and the best train and play with the best, you will have what you have now.The system is imperfect and people spend a lot of time analyzing team results, yet most only care about one player, their child.NJ continues to produce good players,so something is working.
Agree that score does not indicate the quality.My guess is that the NJ teams far from embarrassed themselves. In fact I have seen several of the team play several times in the past year. They are good/very good teams.My earlier post though is a play on the whole "we weren't ready yet" rationale. To all of those touting it will it apply to the NJ cup results as well? When yo play the smaller town/club teams?I just wish some would more would agree/acknowledge that the pedigree does not indicate the quality either. Many a 'club' team has beaten NPL teams in tournaments. My guess is ECNL would not be far off if they were not in the business of insulating/protecting themselves.IMHO most of these tournaments are for the birds. A dog an pony show.DCShore
You are right, it is about my kid and others like her. We have rapidly moved to a situation where we have these closed systems that have made soccer more exclusive. I have seenmy daughter directly impacted by the active recruited and people believing that you have to be in one of these closed systems to get future soccer opportunities. It doesn't givee pleasure but the Jeff Cup performance highlights the the issue with playing in a bubble. I believe it benefits all to have a more competitive system in the state rather than trying to build a few clubs and their ECNL club and their ABCD teams. Yes it's personal bit I've seen systemic changes that I think is awful for the broader state of youth soccer.
True, there is success outside ecnl. Someone mentioned PA strykers and nefc. Both great teams, but ask either coach what league they would prefer to be in.
5:22. Since it's all about our own kids. I assume your daughter plays for an ECNL club, or is your defense of the top brackets at the Jeff Cup simply for your love of the game.
@ 550 Not a defense at all. Simply an observation. at this age the game is about players. The top teams have the best talent, whether they be ECNL NPL or whatever. Very few are having tactical sessions, breaking down the opposition and such. Win lose or draw, if the kids are having fun and improving, then I dont see the problem. How the ECNL does vs NPL or NJ vs other states really does not concern or worry me at all.
I think we can agree if any player is truly "talented" she is NOT playing for an NPL team, their ECNL team has already pulled her up. Stop kidding yourselves. Pride and Breakers may be kidding themselves but it truly is what it is!
Looks like the Neighborhood Bully was in need of a little help with his/her self-esteem late last night.
Have to agree with posts like 1108 because athletes peak at the the age of 15 years old.
11:08 or there is more demand for ECNL players then there is supply. I've written this before but for a state with the population and population density of NJ, the state is under-representated relative to other states with ECNL clubs. I believe this is by design of the NJ Soccer representatives sitting on the ECNL board.
so in a earlier comment it seems to say that NJ top teams couldn't win a game because some members of the team were at a showcase. Sounds kind of wrong on many levels
It wasn't a showcase it was a USSF sponsored national combine. It meant a lot more than the Jeff cup. Most of the coaches encouraged the kids who were invited to attend that rather than the va tournament. So what's wrong with that?
so because a few girls went to the combine,, the remaining girls on the top teams can't be expected to compete and do well at Jeff Cup? What is that saying?
if you honestly think that taking the top players of teams makes no difference,then no point discussing it really. Competing IS doing well.
I'm guessing that 700/928 will try one more time with the hope of coming across slightly less naive.
Would it not stand to reason, all things being equal, all the top teams lose 1 or 2 players to the National Combine?
They weren't all missing a top couple of players. That's the point.
60 players from the Northeast attended the Combine. It's hard to believe that only one team was significantly impacted by the combine.
60 players attended the combine yet only one team was significantly impacted. Interesting.
I was on here several months ago making a case that if NEFC was truly a “great” regional team, losing 1 or 2 players would not change that. If a team is truly great, losing 1 or 2 players will not make that much of a difference. If a team is completely built around 1 or 2 players, then IMO, it does not meet the definition of a “great” team.
Almost all great teams rely on couple of truly special players. The role players are interchangeable with players on many teams. I would be including NEFC in this characterization. Without their 2 top players they are above average. Both were at jeff cup
The point about NEFC is that they have lost their "best" players to ECNL teams. So they should arguably be worse than last year. It just so happens that they play good soccer with a team of strong players. So when last year their best player was recruited away to an ECNL, it actually seems from their performance recently that they have improved by not being dependent on 1 or 2 stars. NEFC is a great example of how losing their "best" players had little impact.
Why do you think their best player was recruited to an ecnl team. They have a dominant striker and a dominant midfielder. They are still playing for NEFC. I think you may be mistaken
the term great is overused. NEFC are a good team, but it is a stretch to call them great. I would need to see them consistently beat the top teams at the age group to say that. Unfortunately, they do not play. PDA at full strength vs NEFC is an even game. PDA, FC Stars, MatchFit are all pretty even - I see no truly dominant team at u15.
I’m considering PDA, FC Stars, Match Fit & NEFC all “great” teams. What other teams in our region are better? Maybe I’m leaving out a few teams but the point is, if any of these teams lose 1 or 2 top players, they still will be in the conversation of the top 5 teams in region 1. IMO anyway. If being in the discussion of top 5 of a respective region does not qualify as “great”, then I don’t know what does.
You cant sit here and tell me that not playing one real game or even getting to train one time outside does not have a HUGE affect on the ability to play at jeff cup. I saw what it did to our girls. Yet they still hung in. The overall record of northeast teams is not a coincidence. It is proof positive.
I recommend that if you think that NEFC is only "good", you should take a hard look at results in the last 1-2 years. They play many top events and win almost everything they enter. It seems to me they have lost one game in the last year (to PDA last April), including regionals and nationals. They are HANDS DOWN the best team in the NE and maybe the country. I don't need to see them play a bunch of times to come to that conclusion. Strikers are second best team in R1 in a close heat with FCV and PDA. 2-4 are IMHO and subject to some debate. Declaring that NEFC is the best team in R1 seems much harder to dispute.
@847 you simply have a different definition of great. I would be interested to know how many top teams NEFC have faced over the period you state. I would love to see them play against better competition week in week out in league play - not tournaments, before giving theme the crown of best team in the country. I am not convinced they are the best team in the STATE.
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It may be a senseless argument, but that doesn't mean it isn't fun to debate. NEFC has entered Disney (top bracket) and Jeff Cup (top bracket)in the past 4 months. These are high level events with strong fields. They won Region 1 and Nationals last spring/summer. They may play in a weaker league (NE NPL) but every time they step out of the NE and face top teams from PA, NY, NJ, TX, CA, OH, etc. they win. Teams they have beaten in the last year include: PA Strikers, FCV ECNL/NPL, PDA, Sting, TX, Carlsbad, CA, Cleveland FC, Richmond ECNL, YMS. They won Nationals with Tophat GA and Legends CA in the bracket. They haven't lost a game (at least as recorded on GS) since last April and have only had two ties (that did not prevent them from winning the event) in that span. It is one thing for a team to get a couple of signature wins but also drop some games along the way, but I am sorry, NEFC is simply a dominant team at U15. You are trying (maybe hoping) to find someone that can beat them, but you are running out of options. I can't find one data point that says they aren't at least in consideration for best U15 team in the country. Throw out one team you think is better.
@1008 it is a good debate. of the top 8 teams in the ECNL last year, based off the playoffs in Seattle. How many of them has NEFC played. this is an honest question on a slow day. I am not interested in and ECN vs NPL fight. NEFC have been a good team for a long time and nothing about that is up for debate. I just think the top end of the ECNL is just as good as NEFC are. Just because a team is ECNL, does NOT make them good and a win vs an ECNL team is not necessarily a quality win.
You can only play who is out there to play and NEFC has not shied away from any major competition. I don't think you can separate out the ECNL/NPL debate because NEFC has no way outside of major showcase tournaments to show themselves. There is no doubt the ECNL likes their exclusive club. But while all the ECNL clubs get to show their wares at the ECNL Showcase in December, the NEFC has no choice but to play at Disney. There is no way for NEFC to get into the ECNL championship race, so all we have to go on is how they do when they compete. For the games listed on GotSoccer, they have not lost in 26 games and quite a few were to ECNL Clubs and outside of the region.Certainly having beaten the Gunners, FC Stars, Richmond, PA Strikers, and winning the Jeff Cup, Disney, NPL Championship and the USYS National Championship says a heck of a lot and in my book puts them best in the region which means they can compete with anyone in the Country. Anyone who has been to major competitions knows that even when you are the top dog at a tournament, it is hard to come through unscathed, and they have done just that.
and the ECNL clubs cannot be blamed for not getting a crack at the top NPL teams in anything but showcases. It goes both ways. I would love to see NEFC playing all the top teams. Would be great to see, but I cannot elevate them above the top ECNL teams, just the same way as I cannot elevate the ECNL teams above them. All good teams. Shame that politics deprives us of seeing these games.
I don't think there is an equivalence. ECNL teams have ample opportunity throughout the year. WHile ECNL quality isn't there from top to bottom, those teams are much more likely to get significant opportunities to play teams at an NFC level. NEFC spends a lot of the year playing teams below their competitive level because of the politics. It is a shame what US Soccer is doing because they control the ECNL and NPL, but they want no part of exposing ECNL clubs to high level NPL teams on a regular basis because it would go contrary to what they are trying to build which is the ECNL is the exclusive pathway to high level soccer. There is no reason that US Soccer should not be offering at large bids to major ECNL events for teams that have shown that they can effectively compete with the ECNL.
The reason is power and greed. What do you do with a powerhouse USYSA team without a strong club behind it like the Mongomery county (MD) coyotes team or strikers? I agree the logical thing to do is offer at large bids to include tophat, strikers, legends, carlsbad etc. PDA kind of does that in at least these teams can attend an event where there will be great exposure if not compete head to head. I am sure there will be a ton of coaches present at the non ecnl site if PDA's greed and politics don't prevent a NEFC versus Strikers game.
New topic, how many readers out here would go out and beat a team Thirteen to zero?
Or a club on the same day going 21-0. Clearly there are going to be mismatches in a state cup, but what are people trying to prove? I think this is more humiliating for the club than it is for the teams they played against.
PDA is often a target not always justified, but this one is justified and absurd.
Once again PDA strikes. Seems like they can't get out of their own way with bad publicity. Poster is right about mismatches, it happens but to go out and do what they did is wrong. Shame on the coach and the organization. I'm willing to bet that even the PDA parents are upset about this.
Can anyone from PDA defend this one?
Great question but I didn’t see the PDA games so based on my personal opinion, those scores might be acceptable. If I was a coach, and I’m definitely not, and observed an obvious mismatch, once the score is 1-0 nothing, I pull all my best players and play bottom third the rest of the way. Once the score is 3-0, I would instruct bottom third they must work the ball back to the keeper 2 times then forward with every line touching the ball twice before they can score. IF the score then gets to 5-0, I would then keep the same criteria but allow only one touch to accomplish this. IF the score then got to 7-0, I would keep the same rules in effect except one touch, weak foot only. If we continued to score I would find other ways to make it more difficult for us to score. I would at no point tell them they couldn’t score, I would just find ways to make it nearly impossible. Always right, imo
Play rec if you can't compete well enough to save your team embarrassment. Not PDA fault it's a coach or club putting themselves in a situation to be destroyed. Playing ball back or whatever is just as demoralizing. It's the coaches and delusional parents fault that put those kids in that compromised position. Ahhh but everyone is elite now right?
PDA Pride must be pretty proud of themselves. Celebrations all around, did everyone on the field score a goal? An as the previous poster thinks, those parents are NOT at all embarrassed. They probably paid their kids per goal...
1:00 PM Leadership starts at the top. You can't have a tournament in NJ with 32 teams and expect every team to be competitive. The coach very early on had know the direction of the game and could have slowed it down. No this is just horrible sportsmanship. Anything to feel good about yourselves. Don't kid yourself, you go ask a majority of coaches and they wouldn't do what this coach did.
What I pay my kid$ 50 right footed goal$ 75 left footed goal$ 100 header goal$ 25 assist$ 10 pass before assistWhat do you think am I over paying
you parents funny. very sad and petty. just not up with youth soccer and state cups. the pda vs township game was a lot to a little, but don't dare say PDA had bad sportsmanship or tried to disrespect the game of soccer. the town team had no business competing in a us club state cup event period and they actually showed the poor sportsmanship putting his girls in a environment like that and making the decision he did. with that said, a competitive team and a coach try many things to off balance the score when playing against misplaced team- while playing soccer. key is still playing soccer and not having the restriction of not scoring, but other things. how fun is that soccer without scoring, its not!! this reminds me of the sjsl/sjgsl mercy rule which is ridiculous. Teams would pass for ever trying not to score. nevertheless, the team dominating is getting upset bc they can't play soccer and the other team feels even more stupid bc the team dribbles all the way to the goal to turn the ball back towards own goal and do it for 30 straight minutes. seriously, people it helps nobody. maybe the township coach should have stopped the game at half time, im sure anyone in that situation would agree to call the game. I blame the tournament for allowing township team and the coach for poor preparation or judgment of what level they are putting the poor girls into. I think us club has 2 divisions. The girls are 15 not 10. if I was the township coach/parent , I'd ask yourself ARE you really worthy/committed to compete for the best in the state. I think NOT, stay in your rec league and tournaments as harsh as that sounds. get facts people, facts before you bash the club!
Even if you are right so then you punish the kids for the decision of the coach or the parents. There are 32 teams in the tournament. With about 28 teams in the tournament, you will have mismatches. The team PDA won a game before them. That is the nature of this type of tournament. Any way you slice it, 13-0 is absurd and most coaches wouldn't agree with this type of running up the score.They might get forgiven once if this specific team didn't have a history of chasing lower level tournaments against teams that can't compete with them. The have struggled when they have punched at their weight or a little below so this is how the coach feels he has to compete to get his team to feel good about themselves.
Hey 5:11, how many goals did your daughter score in that game? You are not seriously blaming the Voorhees coach, are you?
Isnt the coach of pride also the DOC? Does all their teams do this in State Cup games?
"WE PLAY TO WIN THE GAME" for all the NFL heads out there. Hehehehe
5:11 Maybe ask why a PDA and other super duper fantasmagoric high level clubs choose to participate in a tournament that is mostly lower level town teams that you stick your nose up at. Maybe you should look at the brackets and see where the majority of teams come from. Maybe you should be embarrassed entering a tournament with Voorhees, TBAA, Princeton, 2 Cherry Hill teams, Parsippany, 2 Wall teams, Bergen, Twin County, RYSA, BSA, USCFA, 2 Freehold teams, Cohansey, Old Bridge, SJA, North Burlington.... You get the point.Maybe your coach put your team in this tournament to beat up on smaller clubs so can feel good about yourself and brag on this blog and say it's not my fault. Most of these clubs can't get into the Jeff Cup, PDA Showcase, NPL League. The Monroe and Jackson tournaments are coming up, may should should encourage your coach to enter.
Sorry, we are already committed to Kirkwood.
If memory serves me correctly, they didn't dominate at Kirkwood, but did win tournament. Maybe they did enter the right tournament? Regardless how you slice this up, PDA South should be embarrassed by that cup victory regardless of the circumstances. 13-0 is uncalled for no matter what. Those parents and the PDA faithful know it, hence the lack of defense on this site compared to past. One last comment, PDA Athletica knew that 8-0 in their victory was more then enough, but even that is over the top. Sportsmanship people, sportsmanship, figure it out.
It’s really not that big of a deal. The posters who point out that once you enter a State Cup tournament, a low level team may run into a severe mismatch. That, imo is a valid point. Once a mismatch is played, certain outcomes are inevitable. But the 2 or 3 posters on this forum who hate PDA will use whatever they can to continually bash them. They turned what could’ve been a decent topic into their personal PDA bashing agenda. Whatever. Always right, imo.
8:34, what positive spin could anyone possibly put on the 13-0 win PDA had? Why is it PDA bashing? I believe anyone on here would be outraged at ANY team who ran up the score that way.
What a POS. at U15 and above the cup is for lower level teams. Please, most of the teams listed are strong town teams, except PDA, SJE, and NJ Rush. You should be embarrassed, yes clueless, your team is in a weak tourney to win games, big! As the DOC I would expect more, than if he were just a coach. Bad decisions, bad leadership, bad ethics. He needs to be flushed down the privy along with your $$$. Anyone defending him must still be passing around the hash pipe. DISFRACE is the word that comes to mind.
Lol. Now I’m a POS and another poster is putting words in my mouth that I am defending 13-0. I understand that you are incapable of reading my other posts with a clear head due to your PDA hatred and rage. All I’m saying is it’s not that big of a deal. Once the mismatch was scheduled, there was no way for one team to not totally dominate the other. If a team intentionally runs up the score, that is a bad thing. I have no evidence of this. The PDA coach may have played his bottom third with their weak foot the entire game for all I know. Just because someone who judges me to be a POS based on 2 posts on an obscure forum says that PDA intentionally ran up the score does not make it true. Plus you forgot to mention FC Copa Milan, who I think will win the Cup. They won their first game 7-0. Is that running up the score? I will not post on this subject any further. Enjoy yourselves while trashing my opinions.Always right, imo.
What a joke, how do you not run up a score when the game is 13-0? Are goals accidentally scored? Yes 7-0 is bad but 13-0 is far worse and Atletica's 8-0 win was also bad. For the record, the bashing started when someone blamed and bashed the Voorhees coach for entering the state cup that is wholly populated with local teams.
I'm with you, would 15-0 be considered running up the score? Oh wait, how about 18-0, is that the breaking point? Who are you kidding? 13-0 is running up the score and a classless act! I'm not a PDA hater, but I am disappointed in PDA with this result.
Did anyone attend the final NJ ODP tryouts yesterday? Someone said it seemed like there were less girls than originally accepted. She said especially the ‘99s.
I'm not surprised about the parents blaming the other coach. That sounds just the type of BS that would have come out of the mouth of the PDA coach, and that is good enough for them.Hey, yeah, I know that was an ugly game, but hey I'm a nice guy, and shame on their coach for putting them in this tournament. It's his fault. I really do feel sorry for the girls. I bet. Anyone want to confirm.? Same coach that signed up for the wrong NJ state cup, then blamed the state for not changing them after the deadline. It's the state's fault, so we are going to go blow out teams in the "B" division. Same club that forgot cards for a state cup game , and blamed the other coach for the forfeit, well they could have let us play. The cards were coming. Yup not your fault. Nice guys don't blow out teams and blame the other guy, nice guys don't say screw the state, we screwed up, but we will just play lesser competition. Nice clubs don't forget cards and blame everyone but themselves. I call that having a lack of integrity and a problem with owning your faults as well as your triumphs. Weak is what comes to mind. I don't know maybe he really is a nice guy, maybe, how can I say this delicately, uh, maybe his elevator does not go all the way to the top floor.
ODP was canceled for 2000 and younger due to Green Lane fields being unplayable. Yes, way less girls there.
It's my last question/comment on this topic. But I am struggling to find any precedents for team's winning by a 10+ goal differential let alone 13. Has anyone seen a 13 goal differential before?
Only in America do we cry about running up the score. Take your lumps, learn something and play your next game.
Let the Gunners play the Pride and you would see a 10plus goal differential on the opposite side.
9:55. You are so right. Only in America do we blame every one else for our mishaps, and do we not own up to our crap! It's not my fault. You want to own how successful you are, then own how creepy you can be also. There is a reason that there is not a superior and premier level at U15. No one was expecting the "academy" teams to register. Shame on those town teams for entering a mediocre NJ club tournament, it was really meant for the top 6, or so teams in NJ. PDA, copa, SJE, nj rush, toms river. How dare those others enter? Wow,what a tournament it would be, if only the best teams in NJ signed up. You would only need 1 or 2 weekends of soccer. From the looks of the brackets, you are the outsiders. Excuses, Our coach would never put his team in position that would ahnnilate another team, let alone have to defend his actions as Nobel, and the other coaches fault. There in lies our main differences, being proud win or lose, and not having to make excuses, or, being lame, and trying to justify every damn thing. I'm lame Rob Lowe..... And I .....
Just curious, is there this outcry when the little league football team wins by 5-6 touchdowns, the basketball team wins by 30-40 points,the baseball team by 13 runs or so.. sometimes losing big can be a reality check in many ways. I never heard of the NJ Cup being geared towards town teams, not the case in other states. Don't get me wrong, 13-0 is a big pill to swallow but I believe playing keep away for half the game is even more demoralizing. It happens in HS sports etc.. these kids will get over it, seems like it hurts the parents more than anything. It's always the same people crying about the same things, when you play sports, things happen! That is life, time heals wounds. Get over it!
7:48 The tournament is open to all teams in NJ,but what satisfaction do the top 5 clubs get in playing g in this tournament when they have access to much more competitive tournaments. Look at the teams, the majority are town teams. I think the discussion has moved from to the blowout to whether this was a purposeful act on the coach. I don't see how it can be seen as anything but this. A coach had to recognize early on the type of game he was in and could have slowed the game down. I have never seen 13-0 in youth soccer. 13-0 would probably be like 80-0 in football or 150 to 0 in basketball. If you want to equate this to basketball, a HS coach was suspended for a 162-2 win in January and coaches have been fired for similar extreme blowouts. The kids will get over it, the parents will get over it, but it none of this answers the question, why would a coach let this happen?13-0, has anyone ever seen that type of differential before?
Never a score of that gap. If I go back to modified soccer or little kickers, whatever you may call it in the 4-7 age group, even those coaches would not allow a score to be run up like that. Everyone can say what they want, but as a compassionate human, you just don't do that.
Okay I can’t take it anymore and I certainly can’t stay quiet. As you know I am a PDA supporter but most of all a supporter of all children in general. Now in my opinion which will be from both a parent and player will differ but please 13-0………I applaud them because as an athlete that’s what you are suppose to do regardless of your opponent so that’s my stance on that. As a parent sure it’s over kill but this is sports and it will happen no matter what. Did that team belong in the state cup………YES and guess what they just so happened to run across a team that was better than them………..IT HAPPENS so get over it. This is sports people, and that fact that this team or any other team took the rode that said LEAVE NO DOUBT…….I applaud them but you have to remember that what goes around come around and that when in life you are on the other side of that you remember what it felt like when you were on the other side of it. If you beat a team 13-0 what’s the difference if you beat them 6-0, 5-0, 7-1, 8-0, etc……..in this case it matters if your name is PDA but in other case it’s all fair I guess. Well for the haters I would love to play a game of youth football against maybe your youth football team if I could go back in time lol lol I recall and this is before they started making rules but I can recall beating teams 60-0 and we did that a lot but no one cared well none of my coaches cared they taught us to RUN IT UP and who cares. In this situation I believe the coach let them play soccer and whatever happened, happened as usual. Why fault them for being or doing what they do. Some of you run your mouth so much about how PDA Pride is nothing but a TOWN TEAM and the B,C,D,E team………………..So they play a “TOWN TEAM” of their standards in some of your eyes and they BLOW them out and now what……………THEY are this BIG ACADEMY team that doesn’t belong or shouldn’t play in this tournament……………Listen that is inconsistent in my opinion and I can say that in text or in your face YOUR INCONSISTANT and you should make up your mind on how you view them. Coaches should be content with coaching the GAME and not worry about the score. If it was 20-0 so what or 1-1 I could care less to be honest. if any of you watch any college basketball let me hit you with a few scores to job your PDA hating brain. 115-26, 117-44, 102-43, 100-45, 106-56, 85-26, 87-24, 96-31………now these are all amateur scores from some college womens basketball game and I tell you I doubt the Coaches are getting fired…………Oh wait sorry those are the scores from UCONN this season just a few lol lol and tell me do you think GENO cares about what the other coach is feeling……………..or those other players on the varies teams are feeling. Do you think that he is thinking I am being UNSPORTSMANLIKE……………………………HECK NO. A quote from Geno AUR. …..”My job is not to win the game, but to LEAVE NO DOUBT”………So for you haters when do you think GENO is getting fired. I don’t want to hear that its college….thats nonsense. Get over yourself and don’t worry PDA…………Haters are gonna hate but ERIC HARRIS will be here to check them as they do it and call them all out as they do it. Eric Harris
Eric, you were doing so well. I was proud of you. Don’t let the 2 people that suffer from PDA OCD on this forum get to you.
My all-time favorite unsportsmanlike conduct event was Mike Tyson biting off Evander Holyfields ears.
Thanks Eric, UCONN is the first place I go to learn about coaching integrity. I think the coach in question spent some time there so at least we now know where he learned it.No Eric, 13-0 is just wrong.On a related note, what do you think about paying kids for goals at U-15, that certainly encourages kids to run up a score and play individual soccer.
A quote from the scholl upon suspending their coach for winning a basketball game 162-0:“We are really emphasizing that we want them to pursue victory with honor, and that means playing the game with dignity, regardless of the outcome of the game” San Bernardino Unified School District official Maria Garcia said.
Comments from March 26, 2015 at 1:14 PM about the state of NJ nailed it. Unfortunately, nothing will change. Youth sports has been corrupted.
I will let you pick any school you want and I bet if you look at their schedule there are teams that they hammer. Even the bad teams aren’t bad all the time. I think UCONN is a great place for women’s Basketball along with several others but I only mentioned them to prove a point. Look at any of those school in the Final Four of women’s Basketball even Notre Dame look at them. Trust me I get why you are upset and you don’t have to admit it to me but it’s merely because its PDA but I am okay with that and you know that. It’s nothing personal it’s just your dislike for the Club. Well you know where I stand and how I feel and I will always defend them and stand up for them. Now to the real stuff was 13-0……….overkill….from a parent yes and probably not necessary but that’s just me. Was it wrong for them to run it up…..NOPE this is sports and I will defend the house that SPORTS built. I have been on both sides of a butt whipping. When your whipping the butt its GREAT and it feels good………but when you are not man…………………that’s a long long game and you can’t wait till its over but its also a teaching moment and humbling moment. As far as paying for goals at U15………….nothing wrong it. It’s no different than rewarding your child for “A’s” in school or Graduating from High School. Whatever motivates your kid to do what you deem makes “YOUR” day go well. I tend to reward my children with food, shelter, and occasionally breathing fresh air…..lol lol no but seriously do I or would I. I think not because I don’t feel the need to have to motivate you to do well. If you can’t motivate yourself to want to do it because you WANT IT then hey find something new to do because the end is near….and don’t worry no one on this board gets to me……..I will say about 98% of the folks have great intentions and really are good folks….maybe misunderstood but great guys and women. Eric Harris
Eric,I disagree with you on the paying for goals. In my view you reward the behavior you want on the field. Teams score goals more than individuals. Paying a kid to score goals could be a factor in a player choosing to pass to a better option or not. On running up the score, I probably come a different era and different school. On this topic every coach will have there own view. Three of my childhood heroes are Don Shula, Chuck, and Tom Landry. None of which were ever out to humiliate an opponent. Yeah, would they want to lay a whooping on the competition, yes, of course, they were sending a message for future games, but humiliate an opponent, no. And in this case, there was no message to deliver to Voorhees, they will probably never play again. This is a great quote from Mercury Morris, “The reason Don Shula doesn’t like that kind of thing is because he’s old school,” Morris said on The DA Show. “If we beat you, there’s no sense in us adding on to it. (Belichick is) old school, but he’s handling stuff like the way Don Shula would never handle it – and that’s respecting the guy on the other side.”You can be a great coach and not have humility. I am happy to admit I don't like the PDA model, but as much as you try to justify it, 13-0 is excessive and meant to humiliate. The question has been asked, for sure there has been mismatches, but how many coaches have gone as far as 13-0.
Hard to understand why folks get a dose of morality when the initials are PDA :)Where do you draw the line? Is winning 4-0 and passing the ball around the back better?The real issue is why these 2 teams are matched up in the first place.Oh wait, it is the need to have State cups etc that make no attempt to actually crown the best team in the state.The desire to create so many "meaningful" games is driven by the desire to make money.That desire is FAR less healthy than the coaches simply letting the kids play. If you enter an "open" event , then these things will happen. It is unfortunate because no one really learns anything from these games, but blame the endless games that are put on the schedule to justify to you, the parent,that the $$$$ you spend are so worth it.
I think what I wrote came across as wrong and please let me apologize for you and say that what I meant was that for those that pay kids for goals or “A’s” although I don’t have a problem with it because its none of my business but as for me I don’t do it and I am not rewarding you for “DOING your JOB. I say its your job to either scoring, creating or stopping goals as a player as in my daughter. Why reward you for something that you are supposed to be doing. The reward is being a better player and hopefully helping your team to a win. Now if you as a parent at this age pays for a goal then as I said the end is near because whats going to happen when they don’t score goals………stop playing maybe because they are no longer get rewarded……I don’t know but I would say it’s a bad habit to start or continue at this age. Well although our era’s may be different I do know that locker rooms for either of those gentlemen which I grow up a Dallas Cowboys fan I know that they surely didn’t speak as to be nice and kind to the opposing players on game day. I been in lockers room with some great coaches in Dan Reeves and I know and I tell you yes sportsmanship and play within the rules of the game but “ONCE we get our foot on their necks…….KEEP it there”………………hummmmm I will let you make that call but we all got the point and just because you take a knee with 10 secs left in the game to end the game doesn’t mean you respect your opponent but a mere…………..lets get to the locker room and celebrate. Voorhees yes maybe or was over matched this game but lets look at what they did before this game. They beat a solid team pretty easy and probably overmatched the team but does that mean that team doesn’t belong…………no it doesn’t but it just says that Voorhees was a better team. Now PDA was an even better team than Voorhees so the score reflected that on this given day. Does it mean it will happen again……..maybe , maybe not but that’s why they play the game. You are right I do like the PDA model, but I also like the FC Copa Model, Matchfit model and one of my favor teams is the Freehold Celtic model. I like them all because they all are different and they all are similar in the ways that they are given kids a chance to compete and to be a part of something. Like I said from a parents point of view without knowing what I know about sports….yes its humiliating and degrading. As a father who played at the highest level in my sport I would say it’s a lesson for both groups of girl. For the girls that won 13-0 I would say remember how you did it and try to do it every game against every opponent and remember how you did and remember the good things that you did to get that 13-0 result. For the girls that lost 0-13 I would say its one game and it wont define you but only make you one of two things. Either you pack your stuff up and turn it in and quit, or you get back out there the next training session and you work on what you did wrong to make it right and you continue to work on your weaknesses so that next time you either make that game closer or you win it. Either way you look at it is a lesson for both teams. Eric Harris
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