All strikers and coaches left Friday morning just like the original itinerary outlined. Not sure what the text was, maybe someone left separate from the majority of the team. No excuses, bad tournament 0-2-1. Team was flat and you can't win top bracket if you are not at the top if your game. Competition Is just too good. More practice needed.
0 wins, 1 loss & 2 ties. Sorry I think I got it wrong in my first post.
It is not a bad tournament. It is reality, that your level!!!
Now that was kind of random. Obviously the poster was conceding that it was a bad tournament for the Striker team.
Heard a player was thrown out of Stampede by the coach because she was practicing/training with another team?
Bethesda Team in Phoenix only had 11 players. Missing their striker, 2 midfield players and outside backs. The tournament gave them 2 guest players for 2 games and they were not at the level of girls that were missing. Just bad luck not getting the whole team to AZ.
I'm not a Striker fan at all. Think it's a bad plan. But really. The poster conceded they didn't play we'll. we've all been there. Why make more of it then what it is.
Because every village has an idiot I guess. Some people can't help but bash. Strikers apparently have been training in a small indoor facility once a week. You can't expect any team to go to 85F and not gas out. I guess they should have been working harder pre trip but they got out of the tournament what they put into it. Not bashing but it's obvious. I'm not sure about the model. It's worked in the past but that was pre-ECNL. Now if you subscribe to the town teams (ecnl is just a bunch of Koolaid drinkers) then it's a great free team. If you subscribe to the ecnl, it's never going to be what it was because free no longer trumps ecnl. I don't think one is right and one is wrong but I am trending towards ecnl.
What team was the Stampede player practicing with? It's funny that the top academies/teams can bring in a whole team to replace an existng team but the minute one of their player decides to expand their horizons and shop around, they get cut????
Jeff Cup schedules out. Predictions? PDA may go 3 and out. If Santos can get past Charlotte they make final.
I thought ABGC parent posted they would be moved up? What happen. SJEB and Copa will both be 0-3. If they can manage a tie they should consider it a success.
Gotta love the hater (jealous) parents. If either teams gets a win their response will be "they got lucky." Didn't your elders ever teach you if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all?
Ino jealousy. Look at their records. We can debate all day most things. Their got soccer record speaks for itself and is undeniable. If they win I will be the first to congratulate them on here. They don't belong up there.
Well looking at the schedules of the jeff cup , I would say that the pda gunners will probably go thru to the final and ultimately win .They have been practicing very hard this winter and will be ready . Expect them to do well this spring
Hope whole Bethesda team makes it there. At least we don't have to fly to get there...
How many O'Reilly players will be rostered to Gunners at Jeff Cup? Without them, Gunners will be making their way back up 95 before lunch. At least you'll beat the Fredericksburg traffic mess that the finalists will get caught in.
How does PDA Atletica gets switched from the premier bracket to the super group four hours after the brackets are posted. Silly me I thought it was a blind draw
Silly man. It's NJ Cup, not NJ State Cup. Please go do your research, as you should not be posting if you do not know the difference. They would have applied for Super group or Premeir Group and being PDA, whatever level, they should be in Super Group. Premeir is for town teams and lower level. Pride applied to correct level this time around also, LOL.
Where did I say it was State Cup?
Hey 11:06, whats Premeir?
Pride applied to the correct group this time since they can pad their roster with Gunners, I predict they will take the NJ CUP.
State cup is blind draw, not US Club cup. So you either were confused as to the competition structure, or which cup it was. Needless to say, we would have a laugh if any PDA teams applied to the lower bracket, so it is not surprise it was corrected, which NJ state cup was unwilling to do for the Pride.
Hey, i don't know, you tell me. Super group is the top in this tournament. I do not consider teams in the Premier group, premier, sorry. Maybe not even some in Super Group either.
Not much competition until the quarterfinals. NJSA vs FC Copa will be a good game. Either FC Copa or PDA Pride will win the final.
Copa beat PDA before, they will do it again.
Copa narrowly beat njsa last time lucky goalIt doent happen again
Nice to see the d2 teams joining discussions!
Over 300 teams already registered for FC Delco tourny.
Only two weeks left to register for FC Delco tourny. Application deadline is March 3rd.
Will Gunners apply to FC Delco or will they just bump Pride players? Why those parents put up with it is beyond me, I guess there are many promises made to the B team.
PDA A,B,C or D team, as long as the initials are on their child's chest, It's all good.
The place to be Memorial Day weekend will be @ PDA. If you are attending Delco, good luck!
Typical PDA parent arrogance.
So at the manhattan tournament does pda atheletica show up with pride and gunner girls...didnt say anything wrong with it just wondering if that is what usally happens
Feb 16 12:30Looks like a few players looking for spots.
Hopefully they show up with the best girls / team possible, right?
Real force girls have been practicing with PDA all winter, just waiting on who gets the nod the jump ship for the spring.
PDA SHORE is a reality.
Who cares about PDA Shore. I wonder how many teams are willing to break up for rhe PDA empty promises.
Heard they were hiring the Bulldogs coach to be director of coaching and he was bringing some of his best girls over to combine with the present team. D team my eye. There will be some caring then.
So the Bulldogs and Toms River Everton will merge to form a super team. That makes sense but are they playing in NPL?They have enough to form two good quality teams. I would love to see these tryouts!!Too many egos and politics!!!
If bulldogs and Everton form a superteam they will surely bump PDA Pride out of NPL since Pride is mediocre at best.
Or even gunners!!
If the rumor about TR and the Bulldogs is true isn't it really case of empty promises from their staff to their former players? My guess is that they will be a really tough/good side. Maybe even top 3. But can we really call any of these groups 'teams' anymore?Let me be the first to wish those girls that are surely to be 'dropped' by their team good luck in finding a new team.
from what I hear there will be no oreilly girls on the roster fo r jeff cup . I think this will be a true test for pda gunners . I would bet they will do well .
Just sitting here wondering who PDA will approach next to be their new "E" team? Come on parents, get your checkbooks ready!
Are there any town teams left at this age? I heard Flemington kids are playing to match fit and Westfield has imploded due to parent fighting. Parsippany got gobbled up by MF and it looks like Tom's River is either going to become PDA sure or N.J.S.A. Did I miss anyone? Are these teams even playing in the spring?
Not sure your information is correct. Westfield and Greater Flemington have games scheduled for EDP this spring season. Those teams are intact as of today. To add to the story line, NJ Real' Force-delran has closed shop as of this weekend.
Westfield has a few kids that would rather play high school lacrosse or high school soccer, not Club. The few Cranford players they have already pulled out. Anyone left that wants to attend a showcase tournament will be hitting the Spring Tryouts.
11:04 will they complete spring season?
Most of Parsippany went to Jersey United, not Match Fit.
Thin Bench. That's o.k., there are enough parents in Westfield that think their kid can "Take over" and win games single handed. Either that, or they will run to PDA, write a check and play for the E,F,G,H,I, ee-i-ee-oh team, so they can wear the PDA Letters on their chest.
Anonymous @ 1:00pm you seem rather bitter at PDA and all your talk about team E,F,G,H,I etc thats just shows that either you are envious of that particular club or jealous that you don't either belong or feel that your child has a chance to belong. Either way you look at it the letters on your chest or any of the kids chest "NEVER" matters. Its the player that is behind those letters that make the difference. You should learn something about "YOUTH" sports before you continue to speak out about what this particular club does. I have a some children playing for the club and I find it amazing of the things that are said on this site that are very laughable and then again very disturbing to be said against any team or particular "YOUNG" children no matter what club they play for.
Word around here is atheletica coach will be director of coaching for pda shore and the players players are beimg told to try out for new shore team
@1:22 you are obviously the parent of an A team player, no other parent would come on here are condone what PDA is doing.
No, @1:22 must not be an "A" team parent and he/she is just beginning to figure it out; thus the exposed nerve but could not help but make it about themselves, when @1:00 was primarily zinging Westfield Parents and not "Youth".
Looks like the place to try out this spring will be PDA Shore. With a few tweaks the team they have now could be a very very good team. And with an influx of girls they could field a couple of very good teams or even a MONSTER "A" team . Hurry up. Exit 82.
How come i feel like I'm being sold a used car? What happened to quality town team and not paying all those $$$$$?
Old Adage. If you cant beat em, join em. Then beat em.
All of this PDA rants are getting old who really cares these girls are 13/14 GET A LIFE !!!!
Seriously you look silly criticizing a club because they have a number of teams. If you don't like the club don't have your daughter play there. Why bash the girls / parents who stay and play there for whatever team? It just youth soccer get a grip.
PDA can have ten teams at this age but they will only care about and cater to the Gunners, they will always be the ECNL team. All other teams are just the cash cows.
Pda is the best thing to happen to soccer in the state, best trainers, best players, even the parents are the best. I bet you cant name any so called academy or town club with pda's organization,staff or quality players. We are talking the yankees here folks who comes even close matchfit? Njsa? I dont think so. Stop hating.
I agree and whoever is second is a very distant secomd
I am a pda discple, i havebeen programed to responsed like this, must sign over another check, i will leave the amount blank
Not sure PDA South will agree to the "best" trainers and organization! Parents are nice though!
"Stop hating"?? seriously? Are the players blogging now?
Your right especially after the south loses there npl spot to the new SUPER TEAM from the shore. Whats there name ? the bulleverton dogs woof woof!
Wait until tryouts and the PDA coach says "we want to build a team around your daughter". You will quickly realize they want your check, not your daughter!
There are quality town teams. TR Everton is one of them. I don't care what anybody says, they are quality. I think the Freehold Celtic are a good quality product but when they are constantly losing their best players it's tough for it to come to full fruition. In this age of Academies these teams are are (or perhaps were) at a distinct disadvantage. I hope it doesn't come to this for all town teams. Kids need a place to play the game. At whatever level pace they can.There is nothing bad I can say about many of the top Academy teams as far as their product. The training is very good/great and they are very organized. They push the envelope with the level of play and get their teams to play in some great events. Whether the prices are right is up to the buyer. The only beef against academies that I think is legit is if they take your daughter on with promises (and they do) but are quick to cut & run if they can get a better player (usually trained by someone else). It's a promise and commitment they break with that individual player and their parents. The academy does not fulfill it's promise to develop. It doesn't always happen for a player in 6-12 months. Knowing there is "always someone better" should not absolve them of that commitment. My opinion and what I would expect as a parent.This is not sour grapes. I am part of a local town team that does not even come into the conversation. I feel my observations are fair though and I have watched and enjoyed many, many games that most of the teams mentioned throughout the last few posts have played in.
7:37 well said. My daughter plays for a big club (not same state as PDA) and trust me PDA is no different than any other big ECNL club. There are 3 ECNL clubs relatively close to ours and they are all the same. There is very little to no loyalty to players (IF) the next great player tries out for team. The best kids play - period, as it should be. Same goes for B,C, and D teams if you have them. Club teams are about fielding the best players and the competition at the top level is fierce, not just to make the team but to see the field. All big clubs need B,C and D teams to support the club financially that's the business model - get over it...If my daughter was unhappy with her current club there are plenty of lower tier clubs / town teams that she could play for. I'm sure its like that for PDA parents / daughters as well. No one is (stuck) anywhere. I have seen plenty of girls moved from our A team to B team and no one goes without a lot of sadness and anger. But everyone of those players is having fun and PLAYING all the time now that they are playing at appropriate level. This is what is best for their development. I understand the concern with paying same price as (A) team and not getting the exact same experience, but again you have choices. Stop bashing those who are happy with theirs.
Well said 7.37 poster. All due respect to 8:19 poster, but you are living in La La Land if you think these girls are all having fun. It is absolutely true that PDA discourages parties or team building events, for the very reasons that the 7:37 poster points out - PDA does not want the players building bonds bc at a minimum 1/3 will be cut each year (or demoted). And these kids know this now, before spring season even starts. They live with anxiety worrying that their next missed tackle or bad pass will be there end at PDA. That is a very sad sad state for these young kids to live in, as most of them are awesome players but now will suffer confidence issues. Not a PDA parent but living in NJ where PDA news abounds. Latest news is that the younger U11 girls were told that a full half of the team may be cut "based upon who shows up at tryouts." Hope those parents realized they signed up for the Yankees when they brought their 8 or 9 year old kid to tryouts a year or do ago, where they were promised PDA nirvana and dreams of Olympic gold medals.
10:34, that is exactly why my daughter chose not to try out for PDA when she was finally ready to switch teams. Everyone kept asking her why if she was "so good" she didn't go to PDA. She said being part of a team was really important to her and when she played against the Gunners in the past, the girls on the field didn't seem to like each other.
10;:34 you nailed it! It is PLAYER not TEAM development at PDA and it is true that the girls come already developed from Town teams. Team bonding is not encouraged and the parents have become completely sneaky and paranoid. Great environment for teen girl athletes.
I"m the 8:19 poster. So what is your point (10:34)? That it's unfair if half a U11 team gets cut / demoted if better girls tryout? Like I said there is no team loyalty when it comes to talent and it seems many on this blog don't understand that. Our team is no different - if 6 better players try out who are better than our 6 worst, than the 6 worst would be off the team, that's how the team gets better. The girls have a one year contract. This is competitive soccer, just because you wrote a check does not guarantee your daughter has a reserved spot on a team - at least after the year is up. If someone is so worried about their daughter being cut might I suggest they join a subpar team where they are the best player on that team. There she will never have to worry or feel the pressure of having to perform. Let us all know how that works out.As far as kids having fun all I can say is if your daughter is not having fun maybe this is not the right sport for her. No kid can perform at this level if they are flat out miserable and any good coach / parent could see that. I'm not a PDA parent but what they are doing is no different than any other ECNL club, including ours. There is a place for everyones daughter to play soccer (and have fun). If you are demanding equality at the higher levels of the sport - there isn't any. The best players play, and if you really want to know what a club thinks of your daughters talent, don't listen to what they say, watch where they place her.
Well said 11:27. Except our team of girls for the most part, all get along. Team bonding is encouraged via dinners and other activities, My kid is having a blast. She knowws that she can make a mistake as part of her develoment. All players do at this age, and her coach knows it. It is about consistency, though. She loves her club and works hard outside of practice, as she knows she can be displaced if someone better comes along. Is she worried? Maybe, but she never lets on, she puts her head down, works hard and expects to come out on top. This environment is not for eveyone, bit true that all ECNL clubs are alike. It s a lot of pressure, but some kids handle it better than others. It is tough to put your kid in that pressure cooker from a young age. We did not, until 7th grade and it worked well for us. Train with your town team and attend camps, or other development classes. If your kid is good, loves the sport, and works outside of team practice, she will not suffer from not being with a PDA from U8, this I know. As far as PDA bashing. If you build it they will come, or if you pay, they will build it. Who cares. Gunners will always be the top team and most cared about team as they are ECNL. I would rather see another really good NJ ECNL team. Unless matchfit is a total disgrace, that could be a great option. NJ has the talent for at least 2 excellent ECNL teams. I am uncertain as to why people would not bring thier talented daughter there, as opposed to PDA B C D. Yes, they are not on par with PDA ECNL yet, but they were just admitted, give them some time.
Wonder what team you are speaking of because clearly PDA does not have an ECNL monopoly on parents showing overt hostility toward the parents of and the children themselves who threaten their child's position or time. Nor does PDA have a monopoly on children who bully new kids on the team in an effort to make them quit and preserve their positions and or time.
12:17 totally agree. Our ECNL team sounds very much like yours. Our girls do a lot of off field activities together including fundraising. All the girls like and respect each other knowing that they don't have to be best friends but they have to have fun or why do it. What I was referring to mostly about PDA was the competitive structure which is the same everywhere at high level clubs. If PDA is truly 11 girls on the field that hate each other and only care about themselves than they would not be successful. So I doubt it's that bad. If it was I would encourage my daughter to leave. Best of luck to your girls this spring - safe travels.
Poster @ 10:45am, 10:53am I will say to you this that you have no clue what you are talking about. I will say that I have been on the Gunners since my child has been 7 years of age. All of these girls that are on this current team and those that have left to take their talents elsewhere have all been nothing but GREAT teammates to each other. They have supported one another and they have cheered for one another. Most importantly they have grown with each other and can I say they are all BEST friends......I would never say that but name one team in American that can. Girls are girls and boys are boys they get along sometimes and sometimes they want to rip each others head off. At the end of the day these girls like playing with each other. Even the girls that are no longer at PDA are GREAT girls who my child is STILL friends or talk to them through emails or when they see them at games. I ask you what are you talking about. And trust me I film EVERY game so you know me and I will say that on the field I have never ever seen any player go after another one of her teammates. The coaches wouldn't allow that and there is not one girl on that team current or past that would allow someone or one of their teammates to be mean to another girl on the team without something being said. I have been there since my child has been 7 years of age and a lot of this stuff that you are saying and other are saying is not only laughable but I will say I guess your opinion which you are totally allowed to have but I will tell you that majority of what you are saying is no where near the truth but thats okay because as long as you don't take it personal with the "young girls" I guess what you say is a healthy conversation as long as you and I understand that what you are saying is an opinion of someone that I KNOW for sure hasn't been there since their child has been 7 and someone that is either just assumming or listening to folk stories that just spread or change like wild fire. Anyway I just wanted to get into this conversation and stand around and take shots for all those little girls that are either still at PDA or been and left on THEIR OWN because there has not been one girl that has been on this team current or past that did not belong. I am proud that NJ has this much talent and instead of knocking it I am enjoying what these young ladies to be are doing. I don't care what the name is on your jersey most of you parents I have spoken to and shared valuable words and kinds words of all these kids not just at PDA but in youth soccer but some how there are a few that are just sour about "PDA" cmon son let it go PDA is not the end of the world and surely not the beginning because all these little kids including my kid that has been at PDA since 7 came from somewhere else, but PDA is her home now so she might as well enjoy it as SHE IS until its time for her to move on or whatever kids do.
I think that 138 might be more accurate or not. My kid went last summer to a PDA A team training session as a potential candidate for the team. The kids were fantastic to her. They were generally friendly and polite, introduced themselves to her and included her. They even were happy to pass to her during the scrimmages...something not consistent with the team she is on now. We ultimately chose another ECNL team a closer to home, but the kids at PDA were terrific.
Wow 1:38 can ramble on.I guess it depends on how far you dig. We signed up for a training class where 95% PDA, and were told by manager that separate classes were scheduled for U15s bc certain girls refused to train with one another. And I was told by parents of younger teams that girls very snotty to one another, already at those ages. Didn't sound like a pleasant atmosphere to me. Not that you can't find similar attitudes at other clubs - just sayin that PDA sea to breed it by refusing to do team bonding.
@3:02pm Yes I can ramble and not afraid of it. You can dig as deep as you like I am only telling you from experience. Now do you like my answer that doesn't really matter to me really. I am just telling you and whoever the truth. I find it odd that you mention some RANDOM training class and how a new class was created....now thats some funny stuff right there. I attend several training sessions with my kids and I have never ever heard of such story from anyone lol lol lol I told you these fairytales are sometimes funny as heck but hey lol lol do you. Team bonding what do you consider team bonding can you explain that to me and I want to see if my daughters team pass the bonding test. I know for sure that they do as of now sleepovers, they've gone bowling, sking, tailgating, indoor trampolining, soccer games. Now all this has been done this past season. Maybe I am missing something so please let me know.
Enough with we get alone talk. Let's talk about soccer. Anyone NY by a field in the Manhattan Tournament? How are fields?
SNOW>>>>> Manhattan Soccer Club is currently assessing field conditions and monitoring the incoming weather to make a determination about the Kick Off Classic Soccer Tournament scheduled for this weekend, February 28- March 2 2014. We have taken down the schedule to make changes as some fields remain under snow. We will have a final determination by Wednesday, as we will have an accurate view of the conditions of the weather report and the fields by then. Thank you for your patience as we try to fully assess the situation.
Brutal Damn winter! So sorry if they can not get this tournament off. If turf, how about a volunteer snow removal? Hopefully they can get the tourney in. Good luck to the teams. I am sure that you would like to play, as the weather has reaked havoc on your training and spring prep. Anyone want to build a nice indoor facility with me around exit 8 or 9 ?
Nobody is going to get bumped from NPL spot. Plenty of leagues to play in, which is appropriate for the level of the group.ECNLNPL Northeast GirlsNPL EDPEDPUSYSAASLPDA really does do what's best for the individual player, that's why you unrealistic parents go crazy you don't get the big picture. They aren't perfect, who's, but the effort to be that is on point! Give PDA South/SJEB some credit. The south is a different animal. It's all about educating the parents! Unfortunate the south are insecure, hold on to talent, and don't get it. Good job both clubs considering the challenges they face!
Less than a week left to register for FC Delco tourny. Over 400 teams have already applied. Application deadline is March 3rd.
WOW 12:24 thanks for teaching us bunch of southern knuckleheads all about this thing called soccer. Last time I checked I was from there and was a DIV 1 player so I guess I don't know Nothin. But you people from the north are so much smarter than us. Please teach us some more of your wisdom. Really..... just get over yourself. You are not the center of the soccer universe.
9:57...Typical south jersey person;" Ohh I played D1 blah blah". Where did you play? If you did play D1, then you should agree the south is behind. Since you're NOT, then its safe to say you're probably another "cause" of the problem. You are some dad, that played the game, BUT thinks he can coach and/or develop players. Or a some trainer, with generic training session, saying I can do it cheaper. Well you get what you pay for.WRONG answer buddy! You have no coaching philosophy, you keep hold of players needing to be pushed, and you're insecure. Maybe if you grew up in the North, your soccer future would have went past the college level.
Manhattan Spring Kickoff canceled for lower flights. Only top two brackets will play due to field conditions!!
Well maybe now most of us can do what we should do in the first place and instead of paying these exhorbitant fees for tournaments schedule some friendlies on our own on our local turf. Save a ton of money and use it for more training or to save up for college, guarantee quality games by setting it up ourselves with like or slightly better competition, and a better schedule. No gotsoccer points for those that care about that sort of thing but who cares.
Wow 12:37 what an ignorant arrogant post. I am not the original poster, but here's a news flash: Just becuase you went to some small Christian school in VA, and played soccer there, also, does not mean you know how to develop players or run a club for that matter. Uh, since you called the other poster out, where did you go to college and where did you play soccer? What license do you hold. Please do share. Where the hell do yo think you are living, in Germany? Lol. Now there's a county that knows how to develop youth and continues to improve and revamp thier youth system. You are correct, most parents can not honestly evaluate their own child and believe that they are better than they are. Not everyone, though. Hey, but what do you or your club do to set them straight, other than posting on a soccer blog about the depth of your soccer intelligence? Do you communicate, or do you wimp out? Do you send post game evaluations after every game, or, at least monthly? Did you have a player evaluation with the player and parent after the fall, and speak openly and honestly about where you saw the player in terms of the team and club? Did you touch on the their strengths and weaknesses?? Or, did you just say, yeah, they need more training, we have this nifty little winter session..You are either a PDA COACH defending your policies, if so why do you feel the need? or an arrogant SOB that's daughter happens to be good at soccer right now. Hope she is top 5 or 6, or you could be out a spot, especially if all of us farmers get soccer edumecated. I guess maybe some are uneducated down here, as, I do not know why talented players would stay at PDA south, or even SJ Elite, as opposed to driving across the delaware river for some quality clubs, if they are unhappy with their kids current team or club. Now I am sorry but, but I have to take my ignorant ass, and my lack of soccer knowledge, and go cow tipping, and when I am done with that, I have my rolling farm land and pastures to attend, all the way down here south of exit 6. What an donkey!
Talk about me rambling lol @11:07am but that was very good and I have to applaud you on stepping to the non-sense being said about SOUTH JERSEY. Okay now let me really RAMBLE as I normally do. Let it be clear that I am not from SJ but I am from born and raised in NJ. If I can add or make comments of your post and the previous post. I would say just because you are a DIV 1 player it doesn't make what you say the GOSPEL of knowledge or mean that you have all the answers. There are a lot of coaches that never even played the game a a high level that are rather students of the game and know it very well. I would say this, that being a DIV 1 player that you say I would think that you should know better about evening biting or getting upset about either being from South, Central or North Jersey. Look at your drivers lic., I would bet that it only says NJ not South or Central. Thats for Feb. 26 9:57pmPoster Feb. 27 12:37am first you are up must too late to be blogging about youth soccer lol lol but seems to me that you have a grip with people from the southern part of the state. I don't see how you say that South Jersey is behind. Are they playing with a different ball or something. If you look at some of the rosters from any of these academies you will see that they have players from all over NJ, North South Central etc. I find it funny because I will be the first to tell you that I have never played soccer of any kind although I would have like to growing up but it was not in the cards for me but I still like the game but tell me this. If Academy Soccer really didn't start popping up until the late 1990's to early 2000's where do you think all the division 1,2, and 3 players emerged from. Hummmm good question huh. I can tell you they they came from the streets of NJ the playgrounds of NJ the backyards of NJ the school yards of NJ. Those players just played soccer thats it. There was no Academy style soccer but now all of a sudden we feel that ITS THE ONLY WAY to go and I am knocking the system at all but I am saying thats its not the only way. That I will believe no matter what. And guess what sorry to bust many bubbles but the best soccer player in NJ probably doesn't even play for an academy or maybe doesn't even play at all but has the talent, gifts and all the above to be the best but GUESS WHAT......they can't afford it!!!!
continued....Poster Feb. 27 11:07am please don't let them ruffle your feathers and how come everytime someone goes off or says something questionable it has to be either a PDA Parent, Coach, etc lol lol don't you think or believe that there are more people in this very small full of soccer people state lol of NJ. Whoever got you P'ed off lol lol they did a great job I will tell you that lol. You mentioned or shall you asked "What License does one hold.........hummm now think about that. License......what other sport beside soccer requires you to get a license to coach......wait not one but multiple. I can see the basic coaching certificate with a background check and all that but DAG ON A B C D E F has soccer lost its mind lol lol. I know some pretty soccer savy people male and female and they have no such things. Now grant you they played the game before and they are parents of players so I guess that qualifies them right lol lol. The way you write, its as you are a coach or trainer. Can I guess SJ or can I just say NEW JERSEY. Can I ask or dare ask where you went to college or what club you currently coach at, or as you say PLEASE DO SHARE lol lol. I only ask because I feel a lot of folks "Wimp out" as you claim the person does and are either scared to say because they don't want to draw attention to them or there club by throwing darts at others but I will say that my child plays for PDA and I guess she is happy but I can tell you she has many different trainers work with her in camp settings, group settings, individual settings and I have to say that I am pretty proud of NEW JERSEY for the coaches male and female that we have access to and nevermind the thousands of children that are growing up in NEW JERSEY that someday will take those talents beyond these state borders will be not only impressive but a true testiment that the reason why NEW JERSEY is a hot bed for youth soccer players is because NEW JERSEY is ONE STATE and not divided by North, South, Central but ONE STATE. P.S. Hammonton (SJEB) has if not the best some of the best field in the STATE period.
Manhattan Tournament Cancelled !!!!
The Whole Tournament is Cancelled !!!!!
SPOT ON 11:07!!!
I cant believe im not playing this weekend.... i mean the kids.....really thats what i mean!
1107 which are the "quality clubs" across the Delaware to which NJ players should be looking to join?
Does anyone know anything about Continental? Not doing so well in the standings, but interested in the club, the coach etc.
Hi Eric above
I'm not sure if your talking to me but what's up.
What a perfect day for soccer! Damn!
Can anyone give real advice with no anger. My daughter plays for an NPL team in NJ. She is not the best player but not the worst. The coach has his favorites and plays them more time because he trains them privately and yes gets extra money for the training. I was thinking of moving my daughter to Pa club to get away from this ......stuff. Does this .....stuff go on across the river. I am happy with the time she plays she gets over half the game. Don't like much else about the team, She likes a couple of girls and dislikes some. Parents are pretty normal as well some we like some not so much.
Your assuming that he is playing the kids he personally trains more because they "pay him extra"? I would assume that your also saying that these kids aren't as good as your daughter but they are playing more and are his "favorites"? So when you spoke to the coach what did he say about it? What did the director of the club say about it if the coaches answer was not adequate?
Its unreasonable to assume that someone could approach all coaches about that problem without a vindictive response. The poster admits that his hild is not the best kid on the team. This discussion will likely bring only negative results. The DOC will probably be defensive too because his coaches behavior is a reflection on him. Also the DOC tends to hire coaches with whom they have a relationship and whom he knows will be loyal to him. Further, they are all very quick to assume the parents are all crazy-perhaps. You wont get anywhere with the above advice. I think YMS is very upstanidng in its behavior as is Penn Fusion. From your description, your child might not be a fit for YMS or Penn Fusion's top team. But you could bring her for an evaluation, if the situation bothers you enough to leave.
I have not even approached the coach. If he told me the truth he would be the first academy coach in history that did and not just a rehearsed line that he has given 3 times a month. Then My daughter would be sitting more due to some thing that he has started to see because I questioned his intelligence.The Coaching director is someone that he is very friendly with. Most people are ok with the coach as long as he is not disrespecting the child not very many will admit that they don't like him for fear of reprisals on the child.I was looking to just let her play soccer at a higher level without to much politics involved. Something not driven by money like the 23 person roster thing that is common place now in girls soccer. I would like to see the love of the game still grow and not worry about every practice and every play she doesn't make perfect at 14 years old. She doesn't mind competition but not every time she touches a ball.
What if the DOC is the coach?
FYI some if those 23 roster teams are not really 23. They are doing exactly what they should be doing. They play younger kids up where appropriate and b team players in a to give then a chance to prove themselves. These players often fill temporarily open roster spots due to injury. Many players when offered a spot on the top team are told that they may be moved down if they do not develop. That they will need to do more outside of training to catch up. If they don't then they are at risk. Call the coach to find out the true roster size and whether he is willing to add. Sorry though at the highest levels there is somewhat of a every training session and game are tryouts mentality. It's just the nature of a highly competitive beast. If you don't believe that the coach is good enough at identifying talent- that he knows when a kid isn't hacking- it then find another team. A good talent identifier knows that takes a lot more than one mistake to establish a trend. How the kid reacts to corrections is frequently telling for her future. Is she ready to move out of her comfort zone?
So where did the Div. 1 player go? What was the school? You can walk on at Div. 1 btw. That person can still state they played Div 1. Loyalty is a two way street. Judging from the number of kids at tryouts, there are a lot of girls who appear willing to kick their old club to the curb if they were offered a roster spot. Zero loyalty to the team and coach who "developed" the player. All of a sudden Mia's parents decide Mia is too good for her roots and will take the kid from, say, EB to FC Copa. Screw the old coach and teammates. This is America. Every man, woman, and (soccer) child for themselves. I say before you start complaining about loyalty, everyone should look at how they allowed their daughter to become disloyal when they took Mia to another club's tryout. Or took a roster spot on a new team. If you and your kid are entrepreneurial, then don't get pissed when elite clubs are the same way.
Only you know, I hope, if the team suits your daugther. Like the legend of the Phoenix All ends with beginnings.
Only 1 day left to register for FC Delco tourny. Over 500 teams have already applied. Application deadline is Monday, March 3rd.
ABGC Annandale beats NJ Stallions Stampede 2-1 in semi-finals at Annandale Premier Cup Girls Showcase. Was a good match.
I thought both of those teams were supposed to play at Manhattan tournament this weekend. How did the play in another tournament?
Once Manhattan was cancelled they were able to be put into the showcase down there.
wow. congrats to Elite tournaments and the ASL for perhaps the worst run epic fail of a tournament ever. You planned for 40minute halves with a 5 minute over time. then schedules a new game to start every 85 minutes. DUH of course you were way behind. Teams need time to take the field. Refs like to pee and get a drink. oh and yeah you ran out of refs today so you picked someone to do a flag who apparently never even watched a soccer game. At least when he wiped out and took out the corner flag we got a chuckle. Then in the middle of our game some big guy from Elite tournaments gets his bowels in an uproar. The great crime committed? Someone made the mistake of getting out of the rain by standing under their abandoned tent. What a jack wagon. I guess they forget who hires him. Imagine the money that could be saved by our clubs not using them. I think our club uses them for 4 tournaments. They need to realize they are there to make things go smoothly and coordinate a well run tournament. If you cant do that and screw it all up at least be nice. College coaches? Not Hardly. I did see Allegahny(sp) college. Their coach was laughing pretty good about how bad the refereeing was. Kind of hard to see a girls speed when the ref blows offsides incorrectly repeatedly. Worst over all ref crews I have ever seen. Mixed in was a few really good ones. Perhaps more extreme contrasts then normal. Not sure what I think of refs speaking Spanish and understanding little English. Just a very pathetic tournament. Hopefully we don't waste our money on it next year. And hopefully our club has the common sense to get rid of Elite tournaments and their disastrous planning.
9:29. This goes on at a number of clubs (coach(s) privately training team players for money). It happens at our club but it is not an issue the best players get most of the time. Every game is different and if a player is struggling or not giving 120% they take a seat. "Politics" is also everywhere you go so don't think that you are going to find an oasis in PA. If you daughter is a good player (like you said) they will not want to lose her so talking to coach might not be a bad option if you are already thinking about leaving. What do you have to lose. The bottom line is if your daughter is not happy look to resolve the issue. If she is happy with playing most of the game (which is a good thing) stay put and keep working hard.
Its tough when the coach does not want to believe in your daughter. Gets to the point of minimizing her by too much bench time. I understand benching, but when the girls playing the games are less or equal skilled to the one being benched all the time is just not right. Time to leave the team. Coaches make mistakes. When a coach chooses to not include your player you have to look at the situation closely. Talking to him/her is pointless. If he hasn't seen something by now , he/she never will. It's like asking somebody to please love you. Make a move for your daughter. There is always a spot for her somewhere.
Chantilly Elite over ABGC in the VA tourney final today. Does anyone know why NJ Stampede Stallions only had one substitute player with them? I am guessing that squad was pretty gassed by the end of the weekend.
looks like there is a new #1 team in VA didn't someone on here before state that ABGC has not won a tournament in a few long time and most of there top players left for McLean ECNL ?
The ABGC players that left to McLean didn't help much. Looks like Bethesda beat them today 3-0. Even if ABGC can get their act together and displace the FC Virginia ECNL team, they still face the same fate. Poorly coached athletes who dominated when it was all about size and speed but due to poor training and too much parent involvement now have no idea how to play soccer. They get run off the field when they play a team like Chantilly who plays possession soccer. Chantilly is not even that good. Virginia missed the boat in this age group. The state has a decent crop of athletes who somehow made it to U14 with no idea how to do anything but play kickball (despite what JH and CH are trying to do at Chantilly)
8:41Very true but try reading what you type. I'm assuming you meant 5 minute halftime not overtime. Way to many variances between officials. Substitutions were allowed on any dead ball. Ok what ever. But refs were calling quick throws and quick restarts back for the other teams subs. That shouldn't be allowed and smart refs don't allow it. A couple of good refs that hustled and did their best. A bunch of old or obese refs that couldn't run 100 yards one time if their life depended on it. For a showcase? Watching another team play. I saw a girl laying on her back after she slipped trying to kick the ball in the goal. She was 4 yards out. She got kicked in the side and head as it bounced around but managed to score. The coach questioned it and was told "there is no rule that says you can't kick the ball when your laying down". Ok but it was obviously a dangerous play because she is hurt. The Ref assignor for Elite is a very good referee. Perhaps some proper evaluations and hopefully dismissals would help. Maybe not. When the founder of Elite tournament's is on hand to help orchestrate such a poorly run showcase it might be time to part ways.
1247 - Well said about VA soccer in general and specifically. I think the next year or so will be telling for the top VA teams. The teams that promote and develop technical players will thrive and the others will drop away. There is a reason that the ABGC coach's teams seem to drop off or just disappear in the older age groups. The high speed, high energy, athletic style of play (without good possession) just gets trumped by teams that play with good quality technique individually and as a group. It will be interesting to see who remains at the top.
8:41ASL is a league. Run by member clubs. If you guys don't like Elite get together and get rid of them as an organization. They have strong ties to Columbia but that's only one club.
All the games scheduled vs Stampede for spring EDP are now TBA. What's going on with Stampede?
TBA TO BE ANNOUNCEDI guess they pulled out edp
So where do VA kids go to play "soccer"? Sounds like there are a few coaches (CW at McLean, JH & CH at Chantilly, and Allie Kreiger's Dad at PWSI)worth playing for but limited options to learn soccer otherwise. Having seen my share of college games played kickball style, I guess there's a market for that kind of player. Just not sure that does US Soccer any good settling for that level of development. Bethesda has DG and HS coaching pretty possession soccer that is beating the Virginia teams on the younger age groups,(U13,U14,15). Maybe this is where the talented VA players are going. Anyone have any insight?
If Stampede pulled out of EDP where is the competition in that bracket then. Is Stampede still in EDL?
Bethesda practices at WJ HS (right across the potomac into MD) so any northern VA player interested, this is not a bad drive considering our late start times of 8pm. We also practice at Soccerplex which is in Gaithersburg (where Bethesda tournament is held). This is farther north but far from impossible. Many of the MD United players (other ECNL club in MD) should be trying out at Bethesda as well, especially considering they are currently in last place in same division, Bethesda is in first. I imagine some parents and kids are getting tired of the cost, losing, while at the same time not getting to the premier ECNL showcase champions league tournament. This is the age (upcoming U15) where the truly dedicated players start making moves. Bethesda has a great group of girls, a great coach and club program. We know many of the girls that play on the other top local MD / VA teams due to playing them in local league play over the years. They are all great kids as well and wish them the best wherever they play. Have a great spring season and let the warm weather begin!
Are you kidding stampede was definitely not the best team in edp santos,fc copa even njsa b team beat stampede last season . What is your point
TR EVERTON parents can you explain to me the advantage of join up with pda, you have a good team and with all your points you can play where ever you want. I remember when match fit took over holmdel they also were a good team but where are they now. Is pda promising somethong that i havent heard?
I agree not sure how tr everton/pda merge helps tr everton kids
Anyone know if maps tournament in hammomton,nj is still on for this weekend
Regarding PDA/Everton, you are probably right that there is little benefit to Everton, but no club makes a decision based on one team in their club. In 4 years all of the Everton kids will move on, but there will still need to be a viable club. Whether we like it or not, the landscape for soccer is causing a consolidation of clubs. Maybe the pendulum will swing back, but the Boards of these clubs are recognizing that these partnerships are necessary based on today's soccer environment.
U14 VA teams trying to play a technical, possession style of soccer (IMHO of course): CSC Elite, Herndon United, VYS Black, Richmond Kickers. I am sure that Mclean ECNL and FCV ECNL are trying to as well, but since they each just formed this year it is too early to say anything final about their styles. VYS has lost much talent in the last year. Herndon has a very short resume at this point and will need to show success against better and better teams to get into the elite discussions. FCV is short on talent and will need to develop existing players quickly or add some to make any noise. CSC has largely been together for a while with good talent and it shows. And Bethesda plays a good style over in MD as the recent poster noted. I may be missing on some, but this is a decent list. And as another poster noted, the VA talent is spread around with too many of the very athletic players on direct style teams, and their development is starting to stagnate.
Nice response for the merger written by a board member trusting PDA empty promises of development. Good luck to all the girls willing to leave their teams for such promises.
FC Bucks over Penn Fusion 3-1. This is a bit surprising. Was the difference the NT ringer?
Comments on the PA teams style? FC PA Strikers big, strong, fast and direct. Solid keeper. Bucks decent size with dominant fast, but light and highly technical striker. Mark her well and you have a good chance. YMS technical and quick. Tall strong physical striker.
1:58 Keep sticking your head in the sand with respect to the soccer environment. It's not just PDA - Highland tried with NJSA and now is trying with Rush, Council Rock did it with FC Bucks, Match Fit-Holmdel, Spirit United and FC Delco merging. You are fooling yourself if you think the environment is good for town teams to be successful in the long-term. There is a clear strategy by the larger clubs to consolidate talent. I have no clue whether they will be successful, but if the quality town clubs don't act, they risk being left behind. TR was smart, they did not get consumed by PDA, they formed a partnership which means they can break that partnership if it doesn't work out.
The TR Parents are just pissed because they spent so much time bashing the "three letter club" and now they have to wear those 3 letters on their shirts. It will be fun to hear those parents cheering on the sidelines, "Go PDA!!!"
2:46 you made the same point I made. "consolidating talent" not developing it. I think the last three or four partnerships have not been good for town teams that participated.
whoever says TR EVERTON is becoming PDA. Just cause PDA Shore is having tryout on girls side for teams in TR dont means TR EVerton is going to be part of it.
Right, PDA formed a partnership with TR but will allow teams to pick and choose which ones are part of the partnership, yeah that makes a lot of sense. You might as well start buying your PDA gear now.
So your saying that tr everton is not part of the merge?
Thats what match fit told the holmdel parentsSo i quess it makes sense
So then 3:24 why didnt that happen with Holmdel NJX Barca when match Fit went to Holmdel why didnt they automatically become Match fit. Why did they even have tryouts for each group if they were just gonna take existing teams? Maybe they want to form new teams with the best kids from tryouts regardless of what team you came from previously.
I think there is a political/business aspect to this, as PDA is not as open to clubs it sees as direct competitors for their talent base. Its possible that some clubs would not attend, therefore were not invited. I see a mini-series out of this, perhaps right after Modern Family?"I doubt PDA sees any club as a threat except maybe Matchfit. But even Matchfit as an organization ,needs time to become a bigger threat
Sorry got my age groups confused
11:48am Didnt say Stampede was best team in all of EDP said they were a strong contender in their bracket the 1stD Central, probably one of the best if not the best in that BRACKET. Agree Santos and FC Copa good and point was that all of those teams should have been put in the same bracket and playing each other instead of this North Central South thing. Without Stampede in the Central bracket now that bracket just got watered down and that wouldn't have been the case if all the tope EDP teams were put in the same bracket. Maybe with Premier League, EDL and tournaments Stampede thought they had more than enough games and no need to do EDP now, who knows.
Sorry mis read your post agree with everything you said about stampede
Why is fc bucks over Penn Fusion surprising. Penn Fusion at u14 has been weak since day 1. Bucks at that age has been always strong. In Pags they were d2 (PF) and d2(Bucks).
Please rate top 5 academies 1-5 for player development, i dont care about size or faciliities, for example i would not rate match unfit high because they recruit instead of develop
4:36 agree with you4:43 don't fool yourslf they all recruit.
Toms River Everton Is not becoming a PDA team. The parents and the coaches respectfully declined the offer. There was nothing PDA could offer us that we were not already doing . Our trainer is a college coach. We play some of the top teams in the nation week in and week out. And our mix of girls and parents is something we did not want to sacrifice for any reason. We are hoping to add a few quality kids and parents this spring to make a run at some of these great teams that we play. Numbers are the only thing we believe that separates us from them. So if you want your daughter to play with some quality girls who just happen to be pretty good soccer players, then come on down to the little tryout that will be next to the big rigermarole that will be TRFC/PDA Shore tryouts this spring. Not that this is a bad thing, but it just isnt the thing for us We would love to welcome them and you. Thanks.
1:51 - That's pretty much spot on.Some have hit the nail on the head with regards to what's wrong with youth soccer today. Player development takes a backseat and the focus is on results. Teams that have a high turnover rate never benefit the kids. When players are getting replaced every season or two because someone better comes along, who does that benefit?It takes time to develop players, so the push to win more than the next guy really does a disservice to the kids that are trying to improve. My kid's on a team where most of the girls have been playing together for 5-6 years. They aren't one of the top "ranked" teams, but I'll wager that from top to bottom they are more technical and understand the game better than most "elite" teams out there today. It's taken some time, but they are now playing at a level consistent with the top teams in the region, and it's all because the girls have developed into better soccer players. It's also been quite fun to watch the kids develop as a team, instead of wondering what team we need to try out for next season.
Thank for the info 8:34 how many kid does Toms River EVERTON have on the roster now and how many more are you looking for? Heard the team is also looking for a keeper. Done the academy thing and she love the keeper training she been gettn but can't afford the $$$ anymore when is you're tryout?
:) :) :)
The keeper decided to stay. But we could always use a back up. Come on down.
Check this video out, Its a player (Samantha Tran) who is on the National Team (U14 / and now U15) and plays for De Anza Force ECNL team. They won the U14 ECNL tournament last year. The video is of her last year as a U14 player, she is 15 now and already committed to Stanford… Very good stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqFCpBAobRk
Stampede plays Region 1 so no need to do EDP as well. It would be too many games
Stampede is not the only EDP or EDL team playing Region 1. Region 1 is only seven games over four weekends. Not that many games
As to whether academies recruit, recruiting by PDA South is one of the reasons for the demise of Real Force.
PRESS RELEASE03/06/2014For Immediate ReleasePDA Soccer ClubPDA Announces New Director of Coaching for the PDA Shore The Players Development Academy (PDA) is pleased to announce the hiring of Lee Pollard to the position of Director of Coaching for the PDA Shore program. PDA girls Director of Coaching, Mike O'Neill commented, "We are extremely happy to announce somebody of Lee's caliber to the director of PDA Shore position. Lee is someone we have known for a long time and he joins PDA Shore with a great resume and reputation of being able to get the best out of his players, while preparing them for the highest levels of soccer". O'Neill added, "The PDA Shore relationship with Toms River FC is very special to the PDA and with Lee in place we are excited to see the development of the players and the program".Pollard will oversee the development of the newly formed PDA Shore program for the U9-U18 girls age groups based in Toms River, NJ. "We are thrilled that PDA was able to appoint Lee as the Director of Coaching for the PDA Shore program. Lee has an outstanding reputation in the area and players throughout the Jersey Shore will benefit greatly from his knowledge, passion and teaching of the game", said Carl Leschinski the Elite Director at TRFC. Pollard joins the PDA with an extensive coaching resume including Director of Coaching for NY Red Bulls Regional Development School (RDS), Director of Coaching for Princeton Soccer Association, Region 1 ODP Coach, NSCAA Associate Staff Coach and Jersey United Soccer Club Head Coach. During his 6 years at Jersey United, Pollard helped build the girls side of the program working with the '95, '96 and '98 girls, helping place over 100 players into college programs across the US. On the collegiate level, Pollard worked as an assistant coach at Felician College and more recently as an assistant coach at Fairleigh Dickinson University where in 2010 he helped guide the women's team to its best ever season, winning the Freedom conference and finishing with 15-7-2 record. Tryouts for the PDA Shore will be announced by mid- March for the U9-18 girls age groups.For questions contact Lee Pollard at firstname.lastname@example.org,
WOW so i guess a Toms River board member really is on the blog. Wonder if one of their kids is even a Gu14 player.
PDA Girls College Showcase U14 - U17 Memorial Day Weekend May 24th - May 26th acceptance list. http://www.pdasoccer.org/tournaments/pdagirlscollegeshowcase/512211.html
So looks like the ABGC move to FCC Virginia is off. The contract drafted by the lawyer parent ceded too much control to the ABGC parents and not enough to the club. Must have asked for a no cut clause, no fees, and a liquor stipend for tailgating. The two or three decent players that remain on that team will probably head to McLean orBethesda. After the result last weekend my money is on Bethesda. Did not see the game but heard from one of the AR's it could have been more like 6-0. McLean not ready for prime time.
Hope the new PDA shore DOC is capable of forming clear, concise, and coherent sentences.
Got Soccer Points - Thinking about how to improve the system.I do not think it is fair for a team that brings 2-4 guest players to earn as many points in a tournament as a team that does not. Chances are those players could be real ringers and the possibility of a 1/3 of your field players not normally be part of your team should DQ from earning full points. I am not against guest players I get that some teams may need to bring them...but again is that really the 'team' earning those points?Curious as to what other opinions are any other thoughts as to improve the rankings. Let's keep this constructive and not bash Got Soccer or any teams.
I think that some points could be deferred and if the guests is added to the primary roster within a month then the points should be awarded. I agree ringers should affect the points. But a guest who is being essentially given a tryout during a tournament should not be discouraged.
Why is it again that you care so much about the points? So your player is in a high points team but she is nit that good, that makes you feel better? The #1 FC Strikers just lost in AZ bad! So whats the point of the points? POintless imho
Points get you into good toutnaments playing in top level flights, lets face it for the most part gotsoccer gets it pretty close, top 5 teams should be where they are. Now a days where your teams plays league wise gets you points and if it doesn't your team is playing in the wrong place as far as subs wouldnt you perfer to go against the best team possible.
Take all of your ranked events (even ones that you received "0" points" in) and divide total points by number of ranked events your team participated in. Gotsoccer overweights teams that are "tournament happy". If a team plays in 6 events and wins 10,0000 points aren't they better than a team that played in 12 events and won 11,000? So the team that played in less events would score (after dividing total points by number of events) 1,666.66 vs 916.66 for the team that played in multiple events. When you play in a tournament and get a "0" it needs to be factored into the equation.
I agree got soccer gets it close not perfect but close in nj the top 10 except for mercer magic, egsa razzle dazzle and maybe westfield is pretty good but kudos for the coaches of the 3 teams i mentioned because they did a.good job of manipulating the system to be where they are
Yeah but even with all the factoring most of all the top ten tems should be there
Looking for legit reasons to leave where i am at and going to pda shore... any ideas to the advantages
Agreed that many of the top teams would still be 'top'. That is not the real question or point. These points effect getting into tournaments and where you are flighted. At this point some teams are being left out of consideration for tournaments purely because of Got Ranking points. Certainly a shortcoming.
Yes but in real soccer, a ranked 1 team does NOT endup 4 in a tournent if 4 teams. That just doesn't happen. Therefore the points dont mean much imho. Brazil or Spain ir Germany or Argentina will not finish 3 or 4 in a 4 team cup playing against I dont know : Honduras, or Swtizerland or Canada or Bolivia
The problem with the points is the variation. Our team plays 6 top ranked tournaments. We are always in the semi finals and often in finals. This is our choice to only play that many tournaments. Some teams play 15-20 tournaments per year. Some against weak teams. This can lead to a lot of points but does not mean it's a top team. If we get 15,000 points in 6 tournaments and you get 20,000 pts in 15 tournaments how does that make you a top ranked team. Not to mention all the teams with lots of points who have never played other top teams or beaten them. sjeb and Lvu are perfect examples.
The maps tournament is holding onto 250$ if you dont agree to there reschedule ....losers... at least the manahttan tornament guys gave.full refunds and what happened to there mails yesterday at 830pm saying everything was a go what happened?
Got Soccer points depends on the club. The big "Academy" Clubs do not need Got Soccer points because the they all want to get into the highest brackets of each others tournaments. For those clubs that do not have the pull of a name behind them, then the Got Soccer becomes important to get strong consideration at the big tourneys. The Gunners and Everton gets the second bracket. The first 2 levels look good in terms of strength and it will be a good weekend to test whether GS points are a good indicator or not of team strength. Based on rankings alone TR should be in the top bracket. It will be an interesting read once the Jeff Cup is over.
Why tryout fir the PDA shore version , when the Everton will still be the top team in the clubs age bracket. Makes no sense.
thanks for the advice coach.
4:54 dont understand your comment about Gunners, we are in the top bracket at Jefferson Cup? Yes after the fact it may be insteresting to compare actual performance at Jefferson Cup against Got Soccer performance and how did those with lots of points fare versus those without a lot of points.
7:06 PM, You've made my point which is that for the "Academy" Clubs, Got Soccer Points do not matter because the Gunners will get into the top rackets of tournaments regardless of their ranking. The Gunners don't chase points because they do not need to and it has no relevance to how they are ranked in tournaments. Toms River has a ton of Got Soccer points and is the second bracket. PDA can get into any tournament at a high level regardless of points. Toms River would not get a second look to be in the top few brackets if it were not for their ranking and points. Simply stated, GS Points are not relevant to "Academys but very relevant to town clubs."
FC Pennn Strikers has a ton of Got soccer point and is in the second bracket at Jeff cup. You need to be legit and they are not (FC Penn, TOMs River......)
The second bracket at Jeff cup is better than most tournaments top flights. Dont disparage these girls effort and work with snide comment about being "legit". They all work hard.
Totally agree 7:36, the initial question posed was about improving Got Soccer rankings...a tool that was developed to help things along...but there are obviously some flaws which need to be pointed out. I'd personally write the folks at Got Soccer myself.The intention is not to start calling out teams or to start up a 'legit team' list. I guess some people cannot help themselves.I for one refuse to take anything away from any coach, parent or player on any team. I enjoy the game.
Manhattan Santos 1-0 over TR Everton on Region Premier League
What a great game. Both teams looked great despite the long cold winter keeping them off the pitch. Great start to the R1PL season! Good luck to all at Jeff Cup!
I don't understand those comments about "O'Reilly Girls playing in the Gunners" or "ringers" moving from team to team to win tournaments. We're dealing with Academies - isn't that what they're supposed to do, build the best team from the pool of players to achieve victory? This line of thinking is really backwards and provincial. There's a reason for A, B and C teams. ever heard of a club named Barcelona? Check out how many teams they have at each level. You're paying that money to get training from a professional and maybe a shot at the premier team. Some people are willing to shell out $10,000 a year for soccer, that's their money. So what? I'd rather spend that kind of money and deal with professionals - and good, well behaved, classy parents unlike some of those parents my daughter's team has played against these past 5 years. You know who you are.
I will only answer because my question dealt with the way Got Soccer points are awarded. I don't think it is fair for a team to bring in 4 guest players (over a third of their field players) and earn the same amount of points as a team that does not have guest players. It effects team allowed into a tournament and where they are flighted.I'm not saying the practice of having guest players should be abolished.These are two different things and if you do not see it, you do not see it. I'm also not against academies and I agree the programs worth is ultimately determined by the purchasers. Fine by me. No, I don't think academy teams should just try and build the best teams as a first priority. They should develop the players and stick with those players. My only sticking point with academies is they sign you up but are quick to ship you out if a 'better' player comes along. It's a small beef but I'm not retreating from it.I like the fact that you bring up Barcelona. You see they have all of those teams and programs because they also invest real time and energy into players. They don't expect to players to pop by the time they are 14, 15 or even 18. That is an American mentality. How many American Coaches and programs would have shipped a young Messi off because he was too short/slow/ etc? More than you will probably admit but those of us around the game long enough know the real truth. I'm all for great soccer. I see most academies playing it and many town teams, at least many more than tend to be acknowledged on these boards, do as well. All good by me.
Manhattan santos -0 toms river everton
On the average, GS gives a decent representation of the soccer landscape. However, it is very easy to 'game' the system to earn points, and many teams do this. Is it fair for a team who hosts a tournament to invite a local highly ranked team to play for free in a mid-level tournament just to boost the point totals, then arrange the brackets so their team advances to the finals by beating some 2nd rate teams only to get slaughtered and earn a bunch of points? How does that reflect how good the team is? There's also teams that have earned a bunch of points but if you look at their record, haven't even won more than 50% of their games.Too many teams play in a bunch of tournaments and earn points by being semifinalists without ever winning a game against decent competition. Often our team has gone up against teams from other states that have over 10,000 points, but they would struggle in the 2nd or 3rd division of the league we play in.Soccer in College at least rates teams by comparing all their results (at least if they are entered), so that gives a decent indication of a team's strength.
Manhattan santos 1-0 toms river everton
Got Soccer is mostly irrelevant. Look at Toms RIver Everton, #1 in the state by playing low brackets, and haven't won in their last 6 Got Soccer listed events. What ranking system should let a team lose 6 in a row and remain #1. They are exactly what is wrong with the system because when they go up against the teams in the region that everyone knows are the true top 10, they struggle. I'll eat crow after the end on next weekend, but with such a strong second bracket the Jeff Co. the number 1 team in NJ will be lucky to go 1-2.
Well unless it was magic they must have done some winning before that. Got soccer is for fun. Get over yourself and stop bad mouthing little girls teams. We all know the academies and the ecnl teams and all the rest are all gods gifts. you keep telling us so how could we not. God give it a rest will you.
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