"thoughts on EDP Cup?"The best team won.
Any feedback on the PDA Tournament? Winners, Losers, Surprises?
UMMMM. My son Julio Ceasar is a member of the prestigous program know as the Players Development Academy. I just wanted to tell you all, that the "Rooney" are vey in gear this year. Not Only are they the best team i have ever laid eyes upon including the "barcalona" team. Although my son is only a member of the practice squad, i think you should know that it is only because of the unstobbable talent of their power forwards. We left Parsippany because we wanted more of a challange for my son Julio, who i adopted from Nigeria. He first tried to make it as defender but their back line is as solid and hard as my abs. (which are crazy hard). OUr midfield dices and slices teams as though they are tomatoes and salad. Although he is only a member of the practice squad i wanted to warn you all of the increadible tallent that Players Development Academy team "Rooney" have. So i hope you are all ready. I am really looking forward to playing against those feeble minded people form parsipany. And i look forward to the free win the FC Copa will present later in the year.
^^^ 1:22 ^^^ Best post ever!
My son rides pine for a highly ranked team and can not sleep at night due to reoccurring nightmares of the unstoppable Julio Cesar and FC Copa.And my abs are flabby.
I like the fact that he is bragging about his son being on the PDA's practice squad. Power to you brother!!!
And the FC Copa stuff was intriguing enough to make me look up the results of the PDA tournament. The lost to "PDA U16" by a score of 6-1 on the first day. Then this PDA team lost to NJ Spartans the next morning and then NJ Spartans last to FC Copa 4-0 that afternoon.What kind of rinky dink tournament is this?
But the best part of the PDA tournament is the list of about 150 college coaches who apparently attended. This is about the same number of players who were there. And it looks like each and every one of these schools thought this one was too important to send just a lowly assistant so the head coach from every one of these schools is listed.If you were a D1 coach, would you opt out of Bethesda so you could go watch FC Copa and the Jersey Spartans in Zarapeth?
Parsippany SC (Bayern Munich u9 Academy) is a very good club with solid defense, los papitos in the midfield and a powerful striking force that can't stop scoring goals. They can easily keep up with any of the best clubs in the nation.
don't understand how parsippany 8 in state ..
Look at the points. It's all about the points and the number of tournaments you are successful in.
points mean absolutely nothing LOL
So apparently a high profile d1 college coach is in contact with the FC Copa Porto. His interest has prompted other college coaches to show some serious interest as well. There is talk that one player on that team has already committed. I was surprised by this as are most of you I presume, but looks like Copa is on the rise.
the immaturity of the post from 10:18 is astounding. Just because you are jelous does not give you the right to attack another team. I am sorry that you disagree with the rankings but each team has the same point system so getting to 2nd in the state is very impressive. While 8th is much more open for debate.
he meant 11:51
There are a group of very immature and juvenile coaches from a mediocre soccer club that pretends to be an academy, This club tries to convince everyone that they are something special but serious youth soccer fans see right through them. These ridiculous posts probably come from them. You know who you are.
The point system is far from perfect but serves its' purpose for the most part. Tournament Directors could hardly be expected to consider the details of every match played by every team they receive an application from and probably rely on points and rankings to help create groups at their events. And with most groups at most tournaments being reasonably competitive these days, that's probably a good thing. This wasn't the case years ago before the points arrived.But with that said, points can be very fickle. The difference between a win, draw or loss in just one match can have a significant effect on a team's points. Under the right circumstances, one measly goal can make a difference of as many as 6-10 spots in a team's state ranking and that seems to give points an undeserved weight.But I'd say the flaws of this system are outweighed by the benefits as good coaches will make a good case for their teams at big tournaments if they warrant it.
Points do serve their purpose for the most part.One large drawback is, for example, an upper to mid ranked team collecting thousands and thousands of points because they request to be in lower flights in fall tournaments and then waltz through these tournaments. Are they actually trying to get their players ready for the spring schedule or simply collecting ego points? Some of the Tournaments really need to look at their flighting procedures.These teams and tournaments know who they are.
The point system is set up to limit a team's ability to "play down" for "ego points" though. The top flight at EDP was worth 10,000 points while the second flight was worth just 3,018. Oddly enough, the 3rd flight was worth more than the 2nd, as was the 6th. The 6th flight was one with 2 games each on Sat and Sun so maybe some of these teams opted out of a "higher" flight to avoid playing Friday. That would make sense for those who had to stay over as it would have cut their travel costs in half. And the competition was at least decent in this one with LDC and Rev Utd. so I've got no problem with that.
At U16 Friday travel should be expected. But understandably, costs are a concern. I do however agree with the previous poster. There are several teams in the top 10 which play in top flights in the spring but lower flights in the fall to keep their points up.
I think that Tournament Directors, and not coaches or managers, decide which flight a particular team is going to play in. I believe the teams that apply to a tournament must accept wherever they are placed.So I think those who believe that teams dictate their flight in order to "play down" for points are mistaken.
"At U16 Friday travel should be expected..."But in this case, Thursday travel would have been required for many teams to be ready for a Friday game.I was harsh on EDP for not filling a bigger top flight as I thought they'd attracted enough quality teams to do so. But the reality is that they had just 3 day (at most) and you need at least 5 days to have a big top flight.
Coaches can absolutely make requests to be in a certain flight in league play or in tournaments, They know the pts. are not the best way to judge a team. A team will keep their pts. for two seasons. A lot can change in that time. Some managers know how to work the pt. system to their benefit.I've seen several times where a team is in one flight one day and moved to a lower flight the next.
Personally I'm very surprised with Mainland. They won their flight at edp cup and seem to be one of the best in the state,
'I think that Tournament Directors, and not coaches or managers, decide which flight a particular team is going to play in. I believe the teams that apply to a tournament must accept wherever they are placed.'Being a coach, I am familiar with the process. Coaches request the flighting and the Tournament may shuffle it a bit based on team history. But, you can generally talk them down with situations that you either lost a lot of players or the roster has changed dramatically. The tournament will usually make the adjustment downward. Not to the point of being ridiculous but at least removing from an elite bracket (where they belong) and placing them in the next lower tier.It's apparent this year with a few team although some tournaments have adjusted the number of teams in the top flights. Top ranked teams not even in the top 4 or 5 Elite flights even though they have been in the top flight for the past several years at this particular tournament. They request to be in a flight lower than the Elite because they know they will not win. The only team to constantly play up seems to be SJEB. Look at the higher ranked teams than SJEB and see where they are flighted and ask yourself how the tournament can permit this.It's really not a big deal for most teams. But some coaches are doing a disservice to their players if they are a quality team and are requesting to play down to win and gain points instead of challenging their players.
Thursday travel would not have been required for many of the teams.How many times have we left homes at 5am to make a tournament game? We've been doing this since U8. Why is it such a big deal now?If you honestly cannot play on Friday to accommodate a top flight then go to a different tournament instead of flighting down to the point where the competition is ridiculous. What is the benefit for the team? Paying $1,000 for a weekend scrimmage is silly.
Those people trying to say that you can get points by playing in lower flights... you can't. Gotsoccer has a formula to determine the amount of points a team receives by placing in a tournament, to limit that kind of thing.
You are missing the point.Rather than playing in an elite flight and not gaining any points they flight lower to achieve those points.The point is they still receive points for ranking purposes.
Some points yes. But extremely minimal. Teams ranked in that mid-tier from about 8-20 in the state may be able to get some worthwhile points from playing in lower brackets, but the top tier teams can not sustain their points by playing in low flights. Got Soccer for the most part does a good job with that. Not perfect, but a very good job.
DisagreeLook at the Winter Challenge. A state Cup Champion - ranked 3rd in the State is permitted to enter the Plat group (7th tier) and earn over 2,000 points. Meanwhile a 10th ranked team is placed in the second group of the Super Group (2nd tier). 3 or 4 of these a year keeps you in the top 5. Several NJ teams do this as well. Check the history of the top 5 or 6 in NJ over the past. Tournaments shouldn't give such large points for such low tiers.Look at the tiers below. Does this make sense? 195 points for a Super Group (7 tier) Entry but 3,600 for a tier (8th) below that? Super / Primera Liga 10000 Super / Bundesliga 3018 Super / Premiership 4417 Super / Serie A 2068 Super / Nationale A 895 Super / Eredivisie 195 Platinum 3600 Gold 2594
I understand your argument about teams managing to snag "sure" points instead of risking the considerable chance of coming up empty in a more competitive group.But at this age, and at a "showcase" tournament, isn't the chance to be seen by a coach you want to impress more important than snagging some cheap points?My guess is that teams like EB and MF Black would be offered higher flights than either of the current state champs at any tournament they applied to and that their players would be better served by this than points.
That's my point exactly. At this age showcasing against better competition is more important than just snagging points.With respect to EB and Black. Black was in a higher bracket at Bethesda even though EB is ranked higher. But neither were in a top bracket so both were guilty of playing the point game. Though Black has proved they are the better team over the past several seasons. PDA and DOL are the class of NJ right now.
Still not understanding how teams are snagging "sure" points. Look at edp showcase again. 195 points for 6th tier, 3600 for 7th tier. But its 3600 for that flight because the teams are good enough to warrant such a high flight value. The 6th tier doesn't have a team with more than 750 points. The 7th tier doesn't have a team with under 6130 points. I don't know why the flights are like this, probably the tournament directors being idiots, but clearly its not easy for a team to get easy point. In fact, I have seen teams on GS not get a single point for winning a tournament because the other teams in the flight were not good enough.
Quite honestly: this is absolute wank. How is a new good team like matchfit supposed to get points when they're in a bracket with 195 points if u win. They got more points for beating a team above them then for winning the tournament. Meanwhile, a bracket below where no teams could beat them get 20 times as many points even though if they were up a bracket they'd get 0 points. It's unfair and its multiple people's fault. First it's on the coaches who ask to be in a lower bracket. Play a challenge and deal with it if u lose. Playing for got socce points at this age is sad. Second it's on tournament scedulers and bracketeers who allow and put these teams in lower brackets. Third, whoever decided to put the 6th bracket which was a premier bracket as the lowest for gs points is rediculous. So until these things are changed, it is what is it and tournaments are never going to be taken seriously. And on another note, dol is far from the top of nj. Top 5 in no order are pda matchfit parsippany mainland and eb. This is sad because all of these teams are average but hopefully matchfit and parsippany will show up at Disney.
WankPDS, MF, Mainland are top. I would not dismiss the DOL. They demolish EB last summer in State Cup. When entire team plays they are very strong. Parsippany is on the rise and very strong. TSF and Logan Blackjacks as well are strong. EB slips fast as players leave to academy.
Can't say I disagree with the last post in anything. However I would say PDA/Parsippany top of the state and then the likes of DoL MF & Mainland. EB is indeed slipping fast
That post about matchfit getting very few points... What do you mean a flight lower no team could beat them? Did you not look at that flight at all? The lowest ranked team is nj stallions 11th in the state. Again, the quality of the group is why they have a flight value of 3600, compared to MF's 200. No one's getting free points here.
Regarding the flights at EDP, I'm starting to think one needs to look at this one as two separate events held at the same venue at the same time. The "Super" flights were part of a 3 day tournament where teams played on Friday and only once each day. The remaining flights went to a 2 day tournament with a more traditional 2 game per day schedule. If you look at it this way, MF Blue was in the last flight of the "Super" tournament and LDC were in the top flight of the 2 day competitions.MF Blue are a new team (as is the 2nd Parsippany team) so putting them in the bottom flight of the "Super" event seems reasonable enough to me. The fact that they won their flight should allow them to move up their next time out. The inconsistency here for me is SDFC team is also new but were somehow placed in the 2nd "Super" flight. Not sure how one new team doesn't appear to have had to pay their dues as other new teams from well established clubs.
At first look this seems true, until you look at sdfc's results, beating lower merion, tying manhattan villa, and beating pdb. Compare this to match fit, who at a terrible bracket in pa classics showcase, lost their first game and barely won their second. Maybe unintentional by the tournament directors, but sdfc seems definite to be a top 10 contender in the state by the end of spring, and as a start-up team that is extremely impressive.
The original post was about Matchfit Black, not Blue and the requested fighting of top ranked teams.Who really cares about B teams and SDFC.
DOL has lost most key players this season and will begin to fall.
It seems like half the starters fromDol left to CSA Newark
"At first look this seems true, until you look at sdfc's results, beating lower merion, tying manhattan villa, and beating pdb."You're not talking about the EDP tournament only, but the Massapequa tournament as well. And while a draw with Manhattan Villa sounds impressive, a 3-0 thumping by Yonkers would appear to steal that thunder.Still early for this team. But there's nothing yet that indicates they're anything more than a second tier at best.
Quite frankly, a "high profile" tournament like Massapequa may have been a good opportunity for Manhattan Villa's second team to get so playing time.
In other words, I'll need to see SDFC beat a good team at a good tournament before I start paying any attention to them.And if they played MFC Blue tomorrow, I wouldn't like their chances.
FC Copa Porto with a great showing at PA Classics
Let me make sure I got this right. FC Copa played in what equates to be the 9th 4-team flight of a rather unimportant tournament and managed to beat the likes the LDC B team some horrible Council Rock squad to earn 343 points out of a possible 546.And after this amazing accomplishment, someone felt the need to post about it here?Okay, I get it. And in news of similar significance, Sparta beat FC Volendam today in the Eerste Divisie (which is the 2nd Division in Holland)! SO IT'S PARTY TIME!!!
It's ridiculous to compare youth teams to professional teams so I don't see how that's funny! If this blog wasn't anonymous you wouldn't be making such mean comments, Grow up!
10:14 seems like a real man. However, it is guaranteed that Copa will be top 5 in the state by the end of spring. Watch and enjoy the beautiful soccer played by this beautiful club, wanks shall be proved wrong.
Your an elitist SOB and I can guess which club you represent.
FCUSA New Jersey were in the very last flight at the PA Classics showcase and lost all 3 of their games. But they were apparently able to follow directions well enough to show up at their various fields on time and in uniform so I think that warrants a SHOUT OUT here on the BLOG! THESE DUDES CAN "GPS" WITH THE BEST OF THEM! AND THEY ALL KNOW HOW TO DRESS ALIKE TOO!!!GO FCUSA NJ!!!
And I should add that this same FCUSA NJ team (00/99 Boys Green) won the Bloomsburg University College Showcase back in May! They earned 189 of a possible 293 points in that one!Anyone know who's going to Bloomsburg next May?
I would expect to see FC Copa at Bloomsberg next year. Looks like this one is right up their alley.
Haters will hate. Copa will win.
Wanks?How is High School JV soccer? We are debating with a HS student who is not even on Copa. I know who this is. Such a shame. Concentrate on your own team which is falling fast.
Pda is trash. Papitos left pda to go to parsippany and the rest of them left too. Their centre backs went to sdfc and tsf, midfielders to copa and strikers to matchfit so now their team is poor. Like chelsea
Perhaps he has been the one talking trash about PDA and doesn't want anyone to know.
When a kid talks trash, nobody takes it too seriously but when an adult does it, it's pathetic! They're supposed to be leading by example. A lot of what kids say is just repeating what they hear from trusted adults.
What did he port? What team was he bashing?
Trying to piece this all together and am starting to wonder if Papitos is either Julio Cesar or the wank.Could be either or neither.Who knows?
EDP Leagues for spring are out. Thoughts?
who will win NPL season
"EDP Leagues for spring are out. Thoughts?"Have you got a link? I don't seem to be able to find this. (Probably just me though)
Divisions for Central are oddFirst DivisionSDFC Celtic ranked 16Matchfit Blue ranked 84NJ Force ranked 14Second DivisionLogan Blackjacks ranked 2Mainland ranked 4SJEB ranked 11Ironbound ranked 10NJ Stallions ranked 12Seems that Mainland, Logan and Ironbound are very mis-grouped in Group 2. MF Blue is a surprise in Group 1 as they have no track record.What happened to PDA?
First of all let me start this by saying that coaches pretty much get to decide what group of edp their team is going to be in. That may answer some questions. MF blue is probably going to get killed in edp going by their results so far, but we shall see. 2nd div central seems fine, logan is ranked high but doesn't play a great style. I've seen them play a few times and am surprised that they're ranked so high. About PDA, i guess they're just not doing edp this year and just sticking to the region 1 premier league. Also didn't see East Brunswick for edp.
EB is back in Division 1 Central where they've been for a while now.I saw MF Blue at EDP and think they'll fare better than some expect. Not saying they'll win the league or anything like that. But I expect them to be at least reasonably competitive and maybe even better than that. I'll go out on a limb and say they finish higher than the SDFC team.Defending Champs Patriot Red didn't look great at EDP. So I'll pick Montco this spring. But MF Black is always tough. And who knows? Maybe Gottschee will revive themselves.Don't know what to make of NJ Force. Haven't seen them play since they were Howell Utd a long time ago.And it is curious that DoL is in the 2nd North Division when the 1st Central seems like such an obvious place for them. Also interesting that TSF is in 1st North instead of Central. Maybe their tired of playing the same teams over and over again?Also interesting that the new Parsippany B team ended up in the 4th Central Division. I saw them at EDP too and thought think they deserved a flight better than this.And looking at the South Division, I see there are already 10 teams in the 1st flight. But Calverton's placement in the 2nd Division is a surprise to me. Maybe they've lost some key players?Should be another great season. EDP has managed to keep growing and deserves a lot of credit IMO.
Another thought...Just two PAE teams (Patriot Red and Montco) in the EDP top Divisions? Didn't PAE used to field a bunch of very good teams?I guess Penn Fusion feels like they get enough games in the Region 1 Champions League (along with Rooney)?
Things have been changed up some it seems by looking at the groups now.
I can't say I spot any changes from what I saw last time. Am I missing something?
All I can see is that Logan has moved from 2nd div central to 2nd div south, and they have been replaced by monroe heat in central
i think DOL has moved to a diff division.
DOL looks to be in the same place I saw them originally...2nd Division North.But it does look like Logan has moved to from 2nd Central to 2nd South. Previously there were 10 teams in the Central Division and just 8 in the South so this looks to be an effort to even out the numbers and have both groups play an 8 game league schedule. And I suppose it makes sense geographically as well.Delaware Rush dropping to the 3rd level in the South makes me wonder what's gone on with them. Used to be a very competitive team.
2nd div central teams won't be happy with the logan move. Less points to go around in that group (not that I'm saying points are the end all be all but just as a point to note).
Shouldn't Mainland be in group 1 and either NJ Force or EB be in Group 2?
I would have to agree. Mainland should be in group one simply based on the State Cup Championship. NJ Force or EB could be moved down into Group 2 as neither has done anything except garner some points in lower flights of tournaments last season. Although any of the three did anything at Bethesda even with their low flighting.
2nd div central seems like a very interesting group. Thoughts on how that group is gonna play out?
1. Mainland2. Ironbound3. SJEB4. Copa5. Princeton6. NJ Stallions7. Mount Olive8. Monroe9. Staten Island10. STAGoing off what I've seen, from past results, a little by rankings, and making whoever is hyping up Copa on this forum happy.
Your 2nd Div Central predictions look pretty good to me. But I think you probably are being kind to Copa. And maybe to Stallions as well as I think there may have been some migration from there.I'll be a contrarian and pick Princeton to win this one. No good reason. Just a wild stab.
I think mainland is a lock for top 2, the rest is all up in the air. Monroe beat sjeb recently, yet lost to Tottenham a month earlier. Sjeb beat stallions, yet stallions demolished iron bound 5-0 albeit that was in June. Ironbound lost a close game to mainland 3-2 in edp cup. This group is up for grabs.
Stallions lost a lot of players. So did Ironbound
Would be nice (IMO) to see a revival of the old Monroe team. They had a good group years ago but then dropped off the charts. So while they are effectively a "new" team, they feel like they've been around for a while to me.And for the same reason, talk of relegating EB sounds like blasphemy to me. I won't argue results from the past year justifying this. But they've arguably been the best NJ team in this age group over the past 4 years.And I still haven't seen Midland play so forgive me for being a doubter. But I'll need to come across they somewhere of real significance before I give them much credit.
Sorry, Mainland and not Midland.I guess my mistake is an indication of how skeptical I am about them.
I was very skeptical of both Mainland and Logan also. But recent results have convinced me that these are two good teams. Logan won their last two tournaments, and have consistently beat second-tier competition. I would say this puts them near top-tier consideration. Not near the likes of Montco, Fewster, etc. but with EB, DOL, FSA. Mainland same thing, after their win at edp cup, where they beat a good Maryland United squad.
I saw Logan at Delco last spring for the first time. Oddly enough, they managed a miracle draw with Montco before getting completely whacked by both Fewster and Gottschee. I was not at all impressed by them there.Could they have gotten better since? Perhaps so. But I'd easily take the EB team I saw last spring over them any time.
I may be mistaken, but I have heard that Monroe is made up of a mixture of ex-academy players from different clubs. All of the old Monroe players have been with EB for the past year or so filling the void after the original EB players left for the academies. And they certainly should not be relegated to the second group.
EB that is. Should not be relegated to the second group.
Why is TSF in the 1st Division North? Doesn't make much sense to me.
The North part or the 1st division part?
I am surprised to see TSF in the first division because they didn't finish at the top of EDP second division last season. They won their flight at Bethesda but it was a low flight,
I've been enjoying this board of late. No nasty sniping but plenty of reasonably stated opinions.Thanks fellow anonymous contributors!And Merry Christmas to all!!!I think TSF is at least a decent team. I would hardly expect them to be near the top in D1 North this spring but doubt they'll embarrass themselves either.
I think TSF will do fine in that group, middle of the pack finish.
Anyone ever come across these rankings before?http://youthsoccerrankings.us/An interesting alternative to Got Soccer.
I've never seen that ranking site before. And I'll agree that it is interesting.A good 1st day at Disney for NJ with both MF Black and Parsippany wining their matches. MF beat Lobos from TN 4-2 while Parsippany beat GPS Orlando team 2-1.GO JERSEY!!!
And KaloNJi from GA got a draw! So all the "NJ" teams had a decent first day!
MF Black and Parsippany are both still in the hunt after the second day at Disney. Both need a win tomorrow to advance to the final. Well, I suppose Parsippany could get there with a draw but I wouldn't count on that.So good luck to them both as it would be a nice boost for NJ to have two finalists there.That other "NJ" team (KaloNJi from GA) got knocked out today.GO JERSEY!
Parsipanny lost their third game at disney, finished third in their group. Match Fit won their third game and is going to play fsa in the final, which I believe they should win.
Very good win for MF Black to take their group against a very good team. They get FSA in the final and I'm afraid that will be a very tough match for them. But all the best to them! And yes, Parsippany had a bad day dropping from 1st in their group after yesterday to finish 3rd and miss out on even the consolation game. They ended up with a win, a draw and a loss which is not great but not too bad either. Nice try guys.Let's go MF and JERSEY!
As I suspected, FSA had too much for MF Black today so no Jersey Champs at Disney.Still, a pretty good showing by MF who are clearly one of the State's best in this age group. Who knows, maybe even the best?
We'll see about best in the state but they were the best out of the two NJ teams that entered the Disney Tournament.
Interesting that MF Black does well in Disney, but most of the players were from MF Blue. Way to get GS points to raise your team in the GS rankings.
The problem I have with the ranking system is that the points are earned only by entering these expensive tournaments. The fact that MF could afford to enter and travel there does not mean there better than other top teams in the state. Sure, they did well but how would other top NJ teams have done if they were in that tournament? It's pay to play. Same with Parsippany going out to San Diego. Very expensive!
I think you've got the "expensive tournament" points idea wrong. Many of the teams in the really big tournaments (Disney, Surf Cup, Dallas Cup) are from parts of the country where the market hasn't been cornered by GS like here in the northeast. So GS point totals in these tournaments are frequently less rewarding than you can get at tournaments a lot closer to home.The point total for MF's flight at Disney was 7,000. There were 3 flights at Bethesda worth more than that and while Parsippany's flight at Surf Cup was at the 10,00 max value, they had to compete with 32 teams there to earn anything.Don't kid yourself. The very best place to earn GS points is Tuckahoe and most of us don't need a hotel to play there.
I don't know if the claim that the MF team at Disney was mostly players from the Blue team is true or not. But if it is, I don't have a problem with that. I think Disney is more about the experience and the opportunity to play with a LOT of college coaches watching from the sidelines. So as long as they showed up with a competitive team (which they obviously did), combining players from two different teams to go there is fine with me.
Anyone have any inside information on this MF Blue team? I saw their results and saw part of one game and they didn't seem great, but some of the posts on this forum are pointing to them being quite a competitive team.
The Jeff Cup acceptances have been posted with 10 NJ teams on the list.MF Black and Blue, TSF, EB, Gottschee, Parsippany, NJ Force, Mt. Olive, Princeton and FC Copa.And a lot of very good teams from elsewhere so this should be a very good tournament!
Haven't been able to find an accepted list for Annandale yet. But it looks like most of the top NJ teams from this age group have targeted the Jeff Cup this year. There should be a really strong U16 field in Richmond and my guess is that the 2nd flight is the best NJ can hope for with MF Black. It will be interesting to see where all the other NJ teams get flighted. What to do with EB, Gottschee and Parsippany? And where does TSF belong? Tough job to flight this one IMO!If getting in front of college coaches is the goal, the Jeff Cup is probably a good way to go.
Does anyone know how long GS points are supposed to last? Only a year right?
From what I heard, match fit did indeed send down their blue team but because that team is new and doesn't have gs points, they used blacks points so expect them to compete for edp this year. Tsf should be in the first bracket because they are a better team this year than last year. From what I hear, they lost many kids to sdfc but not all. Possibly those mill burn kids who won the state cup like 4 years in a row. Even though tsf lost all those kids, they made up for it with the good stallions kids and some red bulls goalie. They did need a goalie because both of their other goalies went somewhere else with one going to sdfc and the other going to matchfit. Also heard that pda Rooney has gotten better this year and while they don't compete in many tournaments are a team to be reckoned with. Tsf also is going to Dallas and no other nj teams are on that list. I would expect that parsippany or matchfit would also try to go but I guess not. I think the brackets for edp are good because mainland was good for a year but probably lost players or whatever. The reality is both nj force and them should be in the second bracket but that would leave the first bracket short. I watched stallions at edp cup and they are really poor this year. I recognize 3 kids from prior years and it's not the good ones.
Have you got a link to the Accepted Teams list for Dallas?
Regarding GS points, yes, they typically expire after one year. But I think there are some cases (some league play?) where they seem to last longer than that.But for the most part, 1 year is correct.
To find a link for accepted teams in a tournament, go on got soccer website and click on tournaments. Then search up the state and specific tournament you are looking for. It will tell you accepted teams and the brackets when they come out. Websites like Dallas cup and Disney don't have the brackets on their page so it's helpful to know this.
What's the big deal about Dallas Cup? Just another expensive tournament. Hardly any NJ teams go there. For some reason TSF wants all there teams there. Are we supposed to be impressed?
Expensive, worse competition, and farther away. Meanwhile, Jeff Cup is going to be packed, very excited for it.
The 2014 World Cup featured 39 players from 11 different countries who had played at the Dallas Cup. So anyone with any sense would surely be impressed.Some people are not only ignorant, but are apparently proud of it too.
"To find a link for accepted teams in a tournament.."I'm pretty familiar with GotSoccer and can't find a link there to an accepted team list for the upcoming Dallas Cup. So if someone has a link to this I'd appreciate it if they'd post it here. Thanks.
Wait! I just found it on the Dallas Cup site:http://www.dallascup.com/tournamentinfo/bracketsschedules/753054.html
Nevermind! That link was for 2014! LOL!(I saw TSF in the U16 group and thought it was for this year)
"Dr Pepper Dallas Cup XXXVII, which will be held from March 20 – 27, 2016, will host over 180 elite clubs from around the world, including teams hailing from all six global soccer confedrations."The Jeff Cup will be a great one this year. I'm really looking forward to it myself. There will be a lot of great American teams and plenty of American College coaches (I hope). But those who think Richmond is a better place to be than Dallas are crazy.
Really TSF? You have players who will be playing in the World Cup? Keep selling that to parents. Maybe they'll drink the kool aid. Your players want to be seen by the same college coaches that are at most tournaments. just like every other club.
Am I the only one a little confused that TSF has been accepted into Jeff Cup as well?Here's the link: http://www.gotsport.com/events/teamlist.asp?eventid=46792
Going back to the topic of Match Fit, why would Match Fit send their Blue team to Disney instead of their Black? Isn't Black the A team? I can understand sending a couple kids from Blue, but I don't understand why they would send their (presumably) B team to show off to college coaches instead of their A.
"Really TSF?" - Really envious idiot?"Going back to the topic of Match Fit" - Might it be that Black had the credential but no interest in going to Disney while new Blue wanted to go but no track record to get in there? So a convenient switch of identity punches Blue's ticket and drops some GS Points in Black's lap?
"Am I the only one a little confused that TSF has been accepted into Jeff Cup as well?"It's much more difficult to get accepted at the Dallas Cup. They have their own unique way of picking teams and you never know if they will accept you or not until they make their final decision. So applying for the Jeff Cup as well make sense as a backup.
And it doubles the chances to get a lot of got soccer pts.
I don't know that it "doubles" the points opportunity. MF Blue didn't get any points from Disney even if it was them who played there. But if this really was the case (and I have no idea if it was), then MF Black got a nice point boost in return for "loaning" out their identity to their club mates. And MF Blue got to play in a tournament they otherwise wouldn't have been accepted to. So a symbiotic sort of set up where both teams win.Of course, MF Black ran the risk that Blue would get thumped down there and tarnish their reputation. But that didn't turn out to be the case.
When TSF enters both Jeff Cup and Dallas Cup they're doubling their chances for got soccer pts. TSF and MF enter more tournaments than most clubs.
Club fees are related to the number of tournaments entered. The more expensive clubs are going to enter the most tournaments so it's no surprise that their teams have high rankings.
Hold on, how does entering into more tournaments necessarily mean more points. I was under the impression that Dallas Cup and Jeff Cup were at the same time, from the talks about TSF. If so, having a back-up tournament in case you are not accepted into one is obviously a good idea, but does not mean "double" the GS points. Otherwise, yes, to be a top ranked team it helps a tremendous amount to just play a lot of games and tournaments.
Jeff Cup and Dallas Cup are not at the same time. TSF is playing in both tournaments.
4.49I didn't say double GS pts. I said double the chances of earning them.
8:12Yes, I agree with you in that case. Thought the two tournaments were at the same time. The more the merrier for GS points.
Matchfit admits they combined blue and black players on their own website. "Match Fit Academy U16B comprised of players from our Blue & Black teams were finalists at the prestigious Disney College Showcase with an overall record of 2 wins, 1 draw & 1 loss."The things is that when you look at the picture of the team that participated, there are only two MF Black players there.....the rest are MF Blue. I'm not so sure they consider one team the A team and the other the B team. I was under the impression that MF blue was the former MF Academy players.
Interesting stuff about MF Blue.I'm wondering who's going to risk a third straight "snow out" and apply for the Manhattan tourney. We probably won't know until about 2 days before the event as Manhattan SC is notoriously slow about posting who will be playing there.
Thinking about this a bit more, for the past two years Manhattan SC has been notoriously slow about posting who WON'T be playing there!
The Jeff Cup groups are to be announced on Friday morning at 10:00.
Looks like the Jeff Cup twitter page is going to announce top flights only today. So it seems unlikely we'll see any news about NJ U16 teams there.
As expected, the top flight at the Jeff Cup includes 12 teams that are not from NJ. MF Black and TSF have higher GS rankings than Manhattan Villa (who got in) but I can't really say the have too big of a beef.The real snub looks like Braddock Road who's #12 national rank, championship at Bethesda and semifinal showing at Disney wasn't enough to get them in. Meanwhile, CYA (whom they beat over Labor Day did. And they beat Manhattan Villa at Bethesda!I guess that loss to MF "Black and Blue" at Disney hurt them! But I'd be pretty ticked off if I were them. Of course, they'll be a strong favorite in the 2nd flight.
The full set of Jefferson brackets has been posted. No surprises as all the teams mentioned above are in the 2nd flight.http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=46792&Group=Boys_16
The basic group outline is out for jeff cup under "accepted teams"
Jeff cup groups are out. Teams will play 3 games each inside of the 12 team bracket.
^^^ Do people even read each other's comments?
^^^ I thought the same thing at first, but it's obviously because of the page break after 200 posts.
Think the Manhattan Kickoff organizers are looking out their windows today and thinking "Oh no, not again"?
Thoughts on how jeff cup is gonna play out?
Not sure how the Jeff Cup is going to play out as we still can't be sure who will be playing who. Obviously, the top flight is not a focus here in NJ doesn't have any teams there. The 2nd flight includes MF Black, EB and TSF. I'm not sure you can assume the teams will be grouped as the are listed. But if so, MF would appear to have a very tough draw as both Calverton and BYRC are usually very difficult.I'd say Parsippany's "relegation" to the 3rd flight is interesting. Seems that playing competitively (but not earning points) in strong flights at both EDP and Disney isn't good enough to avoid slipping down the Jeff Cup list if you don't earn points. And Gottschee's fall to the 4th flight might be a bit harsh. But both of these teams have a chance to change this by earning some points in Richmond.The other interesting placement to me is MF Blue in the bottom flight. If this really is the team that played so well at Disney, it looks like the Jeff Cup organizers are unaware of this and have placed them well below their appropriate level of competition.Regardless, it's a showcase format so they'll all play 3 games in 3 days in what are effectively 4 team groups with the real prize being the attention of a coach or two you want to impress. And as that's probably easier to accomplish in the higher flights, MF Black, EB and TSF already look to be the Jersey winners here.
I don't agree that you have to be in a higher flight to get a college coach to look at you play. If you invite them to come watch you play, they will come. They're interested in the player, not the team.
I don't think I said you HAD to be in a higher flight to have a coach come see you. I said it was "probably easier" and I an sure that is true.Higher flights offer coaches better players to watch. So while a coach may have an interest in a couple of players, one in a higher flight is likely to get more of a look as the other players on the field are likely to be of more interest to the coach than those in a lower flight.I could be wrong of course. But it seems both logical and likely to me. There will almost certainly be more coaches watching the top flight in Richmond than the 5th.
I am sure that every college coach has his own methods for recruitment but it seems narrow minded for anyone to assume that the best players are in the higher fights at Richmond. It's a top tournament with all quality teams. Players choose teams for many reasons, cost,distance from home, travel requirements, playing with friends, likability and philosophy of coach and club. As far as rankings go, I don't think they're an absolute judge on quality of a team, they're more of a probable quality. It seems to me that there are ways to gain extra pts. by playing extra games and tournaments and all tournaments don't offer the same number of points. Also, it's typical to bring guest players to tournaments to help your team win .
I would agree that there can be very good players at all levels of a tournament like the Jefferson Cup. But to dismiss the idea that the overall quality of the players improves as the flight level does as "narrow minded" seems rather delusional to me.Rankings clearly have flaws. But, for the most part, at this age they provide a reasonable guide for tournament organizers to form competitive flights that don't include many 7-0 matches. And when lopsided results do happen, it's rarely in the top flights. A perfect guide? No. A reasonable one? Yes.Of course, there are a number of different levels of competition in college as well. So maybe they should knock off calling these flights "Championship" and "Elite" and whatever and just start calling them D1, D2, D3 and NAIA.Okay, I'm kidding about that but let's be serious. The teams in the top flight at the Jefferson Cup would drub the teams in the 5th flight with no doubt (except maybe MF Blue?)
And one other thought about guest players.Understanding that my son's (and his teammates') goals at this point are to play well in front of coaches they want to impress at showcases like the Jefferson Cup, I'd be one ticked off paying customer if a "guest" were to be given time on the field with his team at this point. That was cute when these boys were young and winning was all that mattered. But the only reason I could stomach a guest at this point would be a short squad that desperately needs a body.
reasonable, probable. Is there a difference? It is fact that it is common to see a team awarded an extra 100, 200 300 or more pts. for beating higher ranked teams. If someone believes a player to be a superior player based on his team's ranking, maybe that's a little delusional.
I think this is devolving into a dumb argument (from one side).If you were a college coach and your were told you could recruit from only one of the flights at this tournament, which one would you pick?I think that answer to that would differ depending on the level of competition the coach's school plays at. But I'm pretty sure I know which flight would be the choice of a coach from a top 25 D1 school. And I think you do too.
Yeah, I agree that this argument is losing its point. College coaches definitely would like to spend most of their time at the highest flights of a tournament, seeing the best teams. The players on these teams are for the most part, better than players on lower-ranked teams, I think we can agree with that. Of course not all players, but the majority of good players will be on better teams. Does a player have to be on a great team to get recruited? Of course not. Does it help and get the player some more exposure? Obviously. However, there will be plenty of coaches looking at lower flights as well, to pass their time if nothing else.
"College coaches definitely would like to spend most of their time at the highest flights of a tournament, seeing the best teams. The players on these teams are for the most part, better than players on lower-ranked teams, I think we can agree with that."Sorry if this turns out to be a duplicate post as I thought I'd already replied to this quote. But it seems to has disappeared. Anyway, thanks for summing this up so clearly and concisely.Which brings us back here..."Regardless...the real prize being the attention of a coach or two you want to impress. And as that's probably easier to accomplish in the higher flights, MF Black, EB and TSF already look to be the Jersey winners here."So there's really no good argument to the contrary of this.
Sounds like more TSF propaganda to convince all the parents to join them!
Another change in EDP leagues as Ironbound is out of 2nd Div Central and seemingly out of EDP altogether
Has Ironbound really been in this age group of late? A great club with a long history for sure. But I can't say I've seen a decent team from them in this age group for years. My guess is that the kids from Newark somehow migrated to Den of Lions, right?
"Sounds like more TSF propaganda..."Couldn't be MF or EB "propaganda" just as easily?Take it anyway you want. But the message isn't going to change unless the Jeff Cup changes the flights.
I know how arrogant TSF is so this sounds like them for sure!
Yes some ironbound kids did migrate to Den of Lions but recently alot of players from DOL migrated to CSA
Can't say I've caught a lot of TSF arrogance over the years. I mean, really, what could they possibly be arrogant about? They've been also-rans in this age group for as long as I can remember.
You're absolutely right in that they have nothing to be arrogant about but comparing their players to world cup players is one example of their arrogance. And how about declaring themselves winners of a college showcase because they're in a higher flight.sh
The schedule for Jeff Cup and who each team is playing has been posted
"And how about declaring themselves winners of a college showcase because they're in a higher flight."That wasn't anyone from TSF. It was me.And along with MF and EB, the are the NJ winners at the Jeff Cup because they were placed higher than other NJ teams which is what really matters at this point.Jumping to wrong conclusions about anonymous posts is a bad practice on boards like these.
It's interesting that the Jeff Cup doesn't break the 12 teams in each flight down into groups of 4 for the purpose of standings. I guess the team with the most points and best goal differential amongst all 12 in each flight will be awarded the "championship?" But that seems pretty random as there are really 3 groups of 4 in the Elite and Superior flights who will each face completely different competition. And the Platinum flight is even weirder with no clearly defined groups (Ex: Gottschee and Mt. Olive play two of the same opponents but a different 3rd opponent as they don't play each other?)Anyway, here are the NJ teams' opponents...ELITE:MF BLACK/Calverton(MD)/Storm SA(GA)/Pleasant Valley(NYE)EB/Piedmont Triad(NC)/Carolina Elite(SC)/Coral Gables(FL)TSF/Lyons Township(IL)/Lockport(NYW)/BRYC(VA)SUPERIOR:NJ FORCE/CASL Red(NC)/VA Legacy(VA)/Pachuca(MD)PARSIPPANY/Olney Rangers(MD)/Lake Norman(NC)/FC Fredrick(MD)PLATINUM:GOTTSCHEE/Boston Bolts(MA)/World Class(NYE)/Springfield(VA)MT OLIVE/Springfield(VA/Boston Bolts(MA)/Albertson(NYE)CLASSIC:FC COPA/FC Stars(MA)/Penn Fusion Predators(PAE)/VA Rush(VA)MF BLUE/Madison 56ers(WI?)/VA Rush(VA)/WCWAA Black(NC)Good luck to all the NJ teams!
It's a showcase, so typically the 12-team brackets are divided into three 4-team groups. At that stage, the groups are independent of one another, so you are only competing against the 3 other teams in your subgroup.For GotSoccer purposes (apparently a big thing in the Northeast), the top finisher of each group of four will receive championship points minus an adjustment of roughly 10%. This is to compensate for the fact that no semifinals or finals take place. Keep in mind that only the top finisher receives points, so if two teams finish 2-0-1 with a tie in their game against one another, the one with the bigger goal differential gets the points, and the other team goes home empty.When the brackets/subgroups don't fit into this neat little mold, it is common to have 3-team divisions crossover to play other 3-team divisions. This way, even though the teams may not face one another, they will all have common opponents to measure their success against.
Thanks for the info on the points. And yes, they remain a big deal here in the Northeast (at least) as they play a clear role in determining flighting for these showcase tournaments.
Actually, I was making an assumption about the subgroups based on how I've seen it done most often, but I believe I was wrong. Since the Jefferson standings are calculated using 6 points for a win, 3 points for a tie, and points for goals scored and shutouts, they will probably be in groups of 12 as shown with the champion, finalist and semifinalists determined by total points.I've never been a fan of this format. I remember seeing one huge showcase with 30+ teams all in one group. At least 5 teams went 3-0...so you could go undefeated and still wind up being a semifinalist or even a quarterfinalist. Not fair unless the groupings were very evenly balanced. You could do really well against a couple of very strong teams and not get rewarded for it because an improperly seeded team rolls over 3 cupcakes.
Brackets not out yet but what about Manhattan kick off classic. Could be exciting this year if it doesn't get cancelled.
Cedar Stars Newark has a strong team.One of the teams to look out for this season.
New players at Cedar Stars Newark? Or are you seeing a big improvement from the team that's been in place there?
Cedar Stars Newark pick up DOL players and just now 2 best players from East Brunswick. 2 great midfielders.
With all due respect, moving from EB to Cedar Stars Newark at this point seems like an ill-advised mover to me. But, hey, I'll look forward to seeing them play some time late next fall when they've had enough time to promote themselves to a high level of competition.
But I'm going to take your word that all these great players are heading for Cedar Stars Newark...to compete in the Maps Elite North division.
Looks like Annandale has a good field of teams as well. 80 teams at U16 and a solid top Showcase. Impressive!http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamscleanb.asp?EventID=45307&Group=Boys_16
They must play at Cedar Stars Newark. They are accepted to a very good high school and must to play at Cedar Stars Newark.
They all got accepted to a very good high school? What high school?
I believe he may be talking about St Benedicts in Newark. Not a bad jump as I believe it is a pretty good school. And their soccer ranking cannot be overlooked. Didn't Tab Ramos also attend St B's?
St. Benedict's is a power high school when it comes to soccer everyone knows that, but in terms of academics, I heard from parents whose kids attended there that the academics is not that good. I heard that from multiple parents.
Depends on what school you are coming from. It's all relative.
Okay, the St. Benedict's angle adds a lot of credibility to the Cedar Stars Newark angle. There's a known relationship between the two (that includes Tab Ramos) so I'm starting to buy that this team may turn out to be the juniors (and some seniors and frosh) from the St. Benedict's team. And if so, then yes they should be pretty darned good.
"Looks like Annandale has a good field of teams as well..."Thanks for posting the Annandale link. But it looks to me like they've stretched the top flight to include a number of teams that have no good reason to be included.Ironbound? Seriously? Weren't we just talking about their insignificance in this age group? So what kind of tournament would "top flight" the Navigators? One that has been given poor direction IMO.And Bracket C looks surprisingly weak to me. Easy (and undeserved?} points for one of those teams IMO. Hopefully the team from MI will be decent.Don't be surprised by some 7-0 scores in this one!
I should shut up...but I won't.Olney Rangers and Northern Steel in the 2nd flight at Annandale while Ironbound is in the top flight?I can only hope they know something that I don't.
To be fair though, there are a number of very good teams going to Annandale.After what I would think will be an ugly group stage, there should be some very exciting semis and a great final.
One final (I promise) thought about Annandale. Ironbound may not be the worst team in the top flight as Logan is there as well.I really will shut up now and thanks for bearing with my rants!
I know I said I'd shut up, but...I'm picking Cedar Stars Newark (aka the St. Benedict's HS team) to win the 4th flight at Annandale!Call me crazy!
The Accepted teams for Manhattan have been posted.I'm guessing they'll have an 8 team top flight and Dix Hills, Yonkers, Rooney, TSF, Manhattan Villa, FC Florida and NYSC all look like likely selections for this to me. There are plenty of options for the other couple of slots though including ISA, Revolition Utd., Pleasant Valley and maybe even Gottschee (NJ) or Parsippany?NJ teams are:PDA (Rooney & Jinky)TSFGottscheeStallions (Madrid & Santos)Parsippany (Blue and White)Mt Olive (A, B and C)WestfieldTorpedoesSDFCJS Boca Jrs.Arsenal MaximusGood luck to all the NJ teams!
"To be fair though, there are a number of very good teams going to Annandale.After what I would think will be an ugly group stage, there should be some very exciting semis and a great final."U16 and up rarely play semifinal and final rounds in these 3 day tournaments. While a final is possible, I would expect three games only for these teams.
They've posted the flights now for Annandale and it appears that they plan to have a 12 team top flight with semis and a final as I suspected.http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=38656&GroupID=355294&Gender=Boys&Age=15Please note that they have this posted as the U15 age group but that appears to be an error as all the teams included are U16.
"They've posted the flights now for Annandale..."Nevermind. My bad.The links to the accepted teams and schedules I found are from last year. Sorry for being a dummy.
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