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Saturday, September 15, 2012
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 874 Newer› Newest»I have a different take on the game mentioned above. I'm on the Gottschee side and I absolutely disagree. I know MFC players were all 2000. That '99 stuff is total BS and unfair to MFC. Only 19 was different than 19 in the fall and I don't recognize 77, but they were not the difference makers at all. All the rest played MFC 2000 in the fall. No '99s. Any team that plays MFC must stop 3 and maybe 4 too although 4 is smaller and easier to shoulder off the ball(but if you don't he will beat you). 3 is a good player and he also took a dive twice which gave MFC an early 2nd goal on a PK and then 5 min later did the same to the coach's cries that it was just as bad. The MFC coach is right. It was the same. Both had NO contact worthy of a penalty and if there was then you have to give 20 on Gottschee a PK going the other way. Bad call by the ref, but in all fairness that wasn't the reason for the result. Both teams had skill, but MFC was better disciplined and more aggressive. They ran to every ball and never gave up on a play even when the ball was at first lost. Hats off to them! If Millburn has taught us anything it is that the game no longer goes to the best dribblers, but to the better disciplined passing and defensive teams. The team that beats MFC will surely be the one that keeps 3 in check. Good luck!
Obviously a MFC parent giving their own agenda on the game. Thanks.
Any '99s on the field for MFC today is inconsequential to me, unless they were born before August 1 (which I am sure no one was).
The penalty was one that might not have been called, but one that I wouldn't argue with the referee on either. And a field that looked a bit small to me may have benefitted the home team some.
But regardless of any of that, Match Fit got to 4 of every 5 balls that were there to be won all day long and the scoreline was pretty indicitive of that. That's it. End of story.
No whining from me. Our guys got beat so congrats to to Match Fit.
Again disagree with the ball winning part and think you underestimate the advantage MFC gained by using their small field intelligently. Easy to get the impression that they won more balls, but that does not hold up under the evidence and if Gottschee returned 10 times determined just to win more balls they would lose 10 more times. Aside from the first MFC possession no team could string together more than 3 passes all game long on a small, congested field. It may surprise you, but that is a fact. Not once. That means both teams were continuously winning balls back and forth EQUALLY and no one team was winning based on better one touch passing or possession.
The name of the game was field position and MFC knew it. They played the odds very much like winning good field position in the NFL. Look at MFC's 1st kick-off vs. Gottschee's. MFC immediately banged the ball 30 yards forward near the opposing box. Gottschee played traditional backward passes to start possession back by their own goal not realizing they could not typically play out more than 3 passes on a small field. MFC then pressed high compared to Gottschee. It felt like Gottschee was not winning the ball as much because most of the frequent turnovers were near the Gottschee goal where MFC had better chances at goals and to exploit defensive mistakes. The game was over in 20min. Goal 1 was a cross into the box to an unmarked #3 in front of goal while defenders were ball watching. Goal 2 was the unfortunate and absolutely incorrect PK call and Goal 3 was a break on a through ball that the defender touched first, but did not clear. Not one goal was due to a ball the other team should have won. The MFC coach knew his field very well and the other team did not adapt until it was too late. That's the real story.
That story is way too long!
Both long and curious.
Curious in that it made a significant point about the size of the field, after I was the one who mentioned this in the first place. And comparisons to the NFL never feel very insightful to me.
Had the foul called for the PK occurred in the middle of the field, the Match Fit player may well have kept his feet. So was there a bit of embellishment there? Maybe. But there was contact to his leg from a desperate defender who got nowhere near the ball so I can undestand why the ref blew his whistle.
Our guys got beat. We had just one good opportunity all day on a free kick just outside the boa that was blasted well over.
Funny how two supporters of the same team can see the game so differently. Have the last word if you like. I'm going to try to make the EB/MFC match as I think it should be a good one.
Moving on, the result of the TSF/RYSA match has still not been posted. Can anyone confirn that TSF is moving on (or let us know if there was a real shocker)?
Looks like the next match scheduled is Morris Utd./Westfield on 4/6 with the winner getting the Gunners. Still no date posted for the Parsippany/Stallions clash though, so maybe that one could be played this weekend?
TSF is moving on.
"TSF is moving on."
Thanks for confirming the expected. And I would think DoL should be another win for TSF.
With TSF, Westfield and Morris Utd. all alive in the upper right postion of the bracket, I'd think the Gunners would have preferred to find themselves in the lower left.
Forget Annandale, Jefferson, MAPS and Delco!
Here's a crazy U13 tourney in Dallas that includes EPL club Southampton's Academy team (where guys like Garreth Bale and Theo Walcott learned to play)!
http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=31224&Gender=Boys&Age=13
(Looks like the team from Hawaii got in over their leis though!)
And there's a TIP group from NJ/PA/NYE/DE playing in the U14 age group as well! Good for them!
Stallions 99/00 play Parsipanny SUNDAY at 6:30pm @ Parsipany
I say Parsipanny over Stallions 2-1. Looks to be a good game as I believe both are teams with a lot of talent.
"Stallions 99/00 play Parsipanny SUNDAY at 6:30pm @ Parsipany"
Thanks for the details!
Easter Sunday? Great! Something to do once the In-Laws go home!
I'm guessing they'll be the field on Ryenolds Ave, right?
Wow 4-0!!! Never seen the match fit team play other when they were Anelka. It can't be the same players as that team couldn't beat anyone. Coach I hear is the same which speaks about his talent. Needed a totally new roster to compete. But anyway, 4-0 over Roma is impressive. I see the above comments above but wonder if they are that good? Roma I seen play twice but only had really 3-4 players will talent.
I'm excited to see them
Some old faces from the team that lost to PDA by the same score 4-0 last spring in NJ Cup, but the playmakers include several new faces. I don't know anything about the coach boasting, but he did a good job in the 1st round and seems determined to not repeat last spring's results. MFC pressed and the opponent sat back too much and should have pressed higher and more aggressively from the start. You'll see how good MFC really are when they take it on the road to East Brunswick.
Who plays on Easter Sunday dinner? It doesn't even look like they posted the time or location on the NJ Cup site. Is it me or are they going to great lengths to keep this match hush hush? Why?
"MFC pressed and the opponent sat back too much and should have pressed higher and more aggressively from the start."
I'd say this is some spot on analysis. And that't the reason I first mentioned the size of the pitch, which looked to be a lot smaller than the one Gottschee typically plays on. One of the MFC supporters I was near couldn't understand why the Gottschee keeper kept playing the ball to the corner instead of booting it upfield. I said nothing at the time but knew that this was the way they've been taught...to play out of the back.
Unfortunately, that was rather difficult for them to accomplish due to excellant (and sustained) pressure from MFC and a lot less space to work with than they are accostumed to.
No excuses though. Not trying to imply that a bigger pitch would have meant a different result. Good teams leaqrn how to play on pitches of all sizes and adapt their play as conditions warrant.
NJ Stallions vs Parsippany April 7 at 6:30 at Veterans in Parsippany.
Thanks. Easter sounded strange.
Did Marlboro lose players? They appear not to be doing very well but the season hasn't started and i am sure they will be a state cup contender. Also, did Match fit gain a new impressive player from Monroe?
Go take your medicine you crazy women. enjoy your new home.
I'm just hoping the crazy woman will invite me to her new home and share some of her medicine with me.
"But there was contact to his leg from a desperate defender who got nowhere near the ball"
It doesn't matter anymore except to set the record straight and stand up for a fantastic (not desperate) defender who otherwise shut down 3 on MFC. There was NO contact to the leg. NONE. The defender(s) were on each side shoulder to shoulder. There was no behind position for a push on the back. No defender even had a hand up so there was no grab or push just a shoulder sandwich. The striker got off a clean shot and then flopped to the turf. Impeccable defending and then again 5min later when the dive artist did it again. Very good theatrics. Gotta hand that to the player, but BAD call by the ref plain and simple...especially so early in a single elimination game. The ref was 25m back (you probably 50m+) and you are both just guessing. I am not guessing because at 30x optical zoom and no less than 60 frames per second I have watched the play several times over and can even tell you the make and model of each defender's shoes including the color of the Nike swoosh on the toes of each one's cleats. There was no penalty. A good ref doesn't guess at so early a juncture. If he did not clearly see a pull or a trip don't make the call.
"It doesn't matter anymore except to set the record straight and stand up for a fantastic (not desperate) defender..."
I offered you the last word and want to be true to that. But just a couple of more thoughts that I hope won't be controversial.
First, I would wholeheartedly agree that the defender in question is fantastic. As a matter of fact, that might not even be a strong enough adjective to describe my appreciation for his ability. So my use of the word "desperate" was in no way intended to summarize his abilities. But, for me, any defender who is forced to deal with a striker with both the ball and a clear path to the goal ought to be "desperate."
Regarding your video, I've not had the same opportunity to review the play multiple times. But I've seen many replays where supporters of two opposing sides both saw "conclusive" proof of their arguments.
Anyway, we're ultimately on the same side so cheers!
And hey, I'm down for the medicine party at the Crazy Lady's house too! Can anyone post the schedule for this?
player took a dive. Sometimes you get that call and sometimes you do not. Since he had success with the dive, he will surly dive again and again. The ref taught him that a good dive is a good play?
"Go take your medicine you crazy women. enjoy your new home".
ok, you have called me crazy and assumed I am a woman based on what factors? Maybe your team was mentioned in a bad way and in defense decided to throw out some sarcastic comments about being "crazy". I merely stated that Marlboro is not doing well at this moment in time...would you or anyone disagree. I also said that I still believe they are state contenders...was this a "crazy" statement to make. Is there harm to think they may have lost players? "Crazy" of me to think it! As for Matchfit, I thought I noticed a new player that looked like he was from Monroe....sheer craziness for me to have thought such a thing. Sometimes you must allow yourself to acknowledge that other teams and players may be just as talented as your own son and transfers between teams do happen. You complimented 10 on Monroe and then cut him down with a sarcastic remark. Does that make you feel better? Wonder what the party would be like at your house...would anyone go at all?
"Wonder what the party would be like at your house...would anyone go at all? "
All depends on what kind of medicine is being served up.
GalacticoS/Gunners going back to match Fit? Makes sense.
GalacticoS/Gunners going back to match Fit? Makes sense."
Well, seeing as they haven't changed clubs in almost two months now, I suppose it does make sense.
But really, they can't be moving again can they? At least not until the spring is over?
if the "G-Men" use their old unis for training shirts they could avoid having to do the laundry for about 10 or 12 practices!
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Bill? Bill?
We know it's you on this site. All the time. Please give someone else a chance to post.
This board has become irrelevant and boring. Here we are at the start of league play and state cup with a couple good cup games this weekend and not even a mention on this board. Who do you think will win? Who sucks? Who is good? Nothing. Nobody cares. Just some more rumors ...not even good ones.
What are your opinions big boy?
While it's been a bit quiet here for the past week or so, I think this board has been a lot better in recent weeks. Some interesting discussion and less of the "So-and-so sucks" stuff.
The rumors are inevitable and can be fun too (even when completely unfounded and laughable).
And I thought the Monroe fued was pretty interesting too.
Hi, this is Bill. Have there been any messages for me?
Billy. Where are you? No comments?
Now who is monopolizing the board time looking for Bill?
You keep calling out Bill??? Where is Bill from???
Bill is from my credit card company and I HATE him!
Just spotted Westfield's 2-0 win over Morris Utd.
Their next match against those nomadic Galcticos/Gunners should be a fun one!
And that exciting Parsippany/Stallions match is on for this evening at 6:30.
I like the Stallions but can't see them taking Parsippany out. Hopefully I'll be able to get over there to watch, but any posting of the score here would be appreciated.
There's been plenty of whining about the barcket for the NJ Cup already (and I've been one of the biggest whiners). But I think there's even better reason to moan about it now.
I've got no affiliation to Morris Utd., but think they got a raw deal having to take on Westfield in the first round while a team they beat 4-0 in February (Princeton Orange) got a bye.
Boohoo! You don't see any of the other 1st round losers whining. Last time I checked Morris Utd. drew a team ranked below them and they could not even score a single goal. They deserve to be out.
I look forward to the lower ranked team punishing their opponent again today in Parsippany!
"Boohoo!..."
I'm whining, that's true all right. But it really isn't about Morris Utd (who had no chance of winning the tournament regardless).
I whining because I believe the results from the DTS tourney were already known when this bracket was made. So whoever came up with these matchups either didn't know that Princeton Orange had just been beaten up by Morris Utd. or that Morris Utd. was ranked higher or knew both of these but gave PO a better draw anyway.
Either way, it doesn't say much for the NJ Cup to me.
"I look forward to the lower ranked team punishing their opponent again today in Parsippany! "
No word from you yet? Well then I'm guessing Parsippany prevailed.
NJ Cup is a blind draw. The director is also an idiot, so that never helps!
Parsippany did prevail on penalty kicks after a 0-0 tie. It was the most exciting game of the year so far! The bigger Stallions vs. the faster Crew. No team punished the other on the scoreboard, but they sure did punish each other on the field. The ref swallowed his whistle at halftime and I have never seen so many blatant fouls both ways. Every minute legs were taken out and players were jumping on others. Nobody can claim any bias and it made for a wide open match with crazy chances back and forth, but neither side converted. I expected a Parsippany win at the start, but found myself rooting for the Stallions as the game went on. They showed incredible fight and Parsippany seemed to be the team flopping more and whining for the fouls which never came. The Stallions were smart too handling the speedy forward on Parsippany. Most defenders dribble that one or two extra times and get caught from behind near their own goal against Parsippany, but the Stallions were clinical in getting the ball out quickly to safety and they cut the Crew's breakaway chances to only a few. It is a shame the Stallions had to lose. Not the prettiest match, but man do these kids have some fight in them. Nobody is going home tonight with any doubt they gave it their best and that is pretty cool.
Nice recap of the game! Thanks!
And thanks to the poster who confirmed that the NJ Cup tournament director is an idiot.
But I can't believe it's a completely blind draw as 3 of the top 4 ranked teams ended up in different quadrants. And I think all of top 4 were in different quardarants last year. I know Marlboro is in Millburn's quadrant this year, but a random draw still seems unlikely to me.
As to the recap of the Parsippany/Stallions game. I was there as well and here are a few of my observations. Some counter to @April 7, 2013 at 10:19 PM and some in agreement.
I do agree that it was an extremely exciting and physical game and I do agree that there were some fouls that were not called, probably a wash to both sides but I also feel that the majority of "whining" to calls were not fouls at all. These boys are getting older and showing that a good clean physical play is important. I'd say the majority of incursions were clean and although many were flopped they were not fouls.
Parsippany probably had a greater shot on goal ratio with even more threatening attempts, both goalies were magnificent. The Parsippany defense were stellar (as displayed by the 0 goals) but they probably had an easier time of it then the Stallions defense. The Stallions defense were the story of the game in my opinion. They play only three men back and for my money they were magnificent. The three of them, widely different in styles worked like a musical trio back there. A very interesting trio of physicality and smarts. Each taking on each others rolls seamlessly. Really something to see. Well done. The Parsippany defenders were equally impressive but just didn't have to show as much flourish as I don't think the Stallions offense was as threatening.
Finally and most disheartening. My son plays for neither team, he's from Milburn and we came to watch to see what was up. Here's the troubling part... halfway through the first half the coach from Parsippany shouted to the ref something about fouling "All F---ing day!" my son asked why he hadn't been carded. I don't know the answer to that. Then the Parssipany parents took over from there. Shouting and whining culminating in the most shameful example of sportsmanship I've seen yet at a youth soccer game. When the hard fought match was over, after a heartbreaking penalty shoot out a Parssipany parent yells out "GO HOME STALLIONS!".
Shameful. Here's your chance coach and parent to apologize.
I just started reading this blog and although I never intended to contribute I will since I am in the unique position of being from Parsippany and a Stallion parent.
From the parents I have spoken to on Parsippany they seem to be OK people. Maybe that one mentioned above is a bad apple, IDK. Although our parents were telling me what a piece of work they were after the game LOL. I was not on the sidelines. We have played them 5 times and they blew us out the first time and the last 4 could have gone either way so the rivalry is intense. Add to that the physical play and you may have some emotional parents. Not defending or condoning their behavior but trying to look at it fairly. What is intresting is that Parsippany has only 1 player from Parsippany that hardly plays and Stallions have 4 players from Parsippany. So it is not Parsippany people on that team and they should represent Pasrippany better. In the end it is about the kids developing good memories playing youth sports so if the parents don't behave well and ruin that then shame on them.
Parsippany is a little to fast and quick for us, they anticipate very well and get to every ball before us. Very good team. That said they are a kick and run team. Funny how Milburn and others get killed for being a kick and run team and Parsippany is called a great, maturing team on this blog. No they kick it up to a kid who is a physical freak up top and he makes things happen. That kid is a man in a boys body. Lucky for us we have a center back who is his equal. I can assure you if we played kick and run our forwards would have chances and appear more threatening. Our coach does not want the boys playing that way,however. We kicked away a little more than usual because Parsippany is so darn fast. They are on you as soon as you touch it that you have to play very simple.
Anyway, my 2 cents.
Parsippany parents and coach should have been asked to leave the game, simple as that. You cant say the things they said and be allowed to get away with it. Poor, poor, poor job by the ref.
Some great posts about the Parsippany/Stallions match! It's nice to see posters from different camps with similar stories as I feel like I've been provided an accurate taste of the game. Thanks to all!
It's a shame to hear about badly behaved supporters, but I'm afraid that's not news. Thankfully, it seems to happen less frequently as the boys get older. But it never really goes away, does it?
I hate to hear of great games that are decided by PKs. I'd rather have my son's team loose it before it gets to that.
Parsippany vs Stallions report card:
Parsippany A+
Stallions A
Referees F
Parsippany vs Stallions report card:
Parsippany A+
Stallions A
Referees F
So the coach screams the f bomb, parents act likeout idiots and the boys take eachother out and its the refs fault for bad behavior...
Are the videos of parsippany out there to impress? NOT
Silva is just a proud parent. Simple
Thanks for an insightful follow up comment Millburn. I heard the after game shouts too for Stallions to go home, but I was leaving and did not really know who was saying it. I assumed it was just some kids, but a parent from the winning team? That's bad. I'm also from another team and I would say something if another parent on our team was so rude. The Stallions deserve congratulations for a hard fought match. If that coach thought there was F---ing fouling all day in the 1st half I'm surprised he didn't have a stroke in the 2nd half and beyond when it was just punch and counterpunch w/o a whistle. Perhaps like many parents they only see the fouls against them that are not called. It went both ways and I think if I had to pick a side Parsippany was more frustrated and played a little dirty, but the ref clearly set the tone. I like a ref not deciding a big game. It made for an aggressive, exciting match, but I really cringed at moments. It went too far. Hopefully, somebody will read this and you will get a ref that takes more control to keep it clean when you play Parsippany. Good luck in your kick n run battle! Just kidding. There actually are people from other teams that think those comments sell your team (both teams I guess) short . It is kind of the biggest running joke on this board.
Looks like Marlboro will loose players. Saw two of theirs up at PDA tyouts. Can't blame them for wanting to get away from that trainer.
Seems you have Marlboro envy. I can assume that there were more than 2 players at the tryouts from all different teams, yet you chose to post about only those two.
Let's get this clear, NO one has Marlboro envy.
Someone does, if not they wouldnt be trolling tryouts for their players. You mentioned to get away from their trainer, you got away. Wonder why they wanted you to leave?
Tryout on April 8th? What's worse, club holding it or parents sending kid to it?
If Marlboro kids, or any kids, go it's not about getting away from their trainer it's about playing with the best kids in the state at PDA.
PDA has the best players? Says who? Sure they have some, but not close to all. About now they have about 15%.
You fools are on dial up when the internet is going high speed and the world is going global around you! PDA...Marlboro...who cares? Northern NJ is where all the change is happening. Except for the rare few who make Redbulls (not even really northern NJ) northern NJ has been the bridesmaid to southern NJ, but it is finally becoming the bride. Academy options are opening up right and left and there are just as many talented kids up here as down south. Gottschee has spread its wings from Queens and entered north NJ and don't kid yourself if you think they won't make a serious push. The academy option is finally here. Also, all you '99s ('00s next year) will have the option to play Academy League at World Class. The DA opportunites up here just tripled, but keep trying out for Marlboro and PDA. Good luck!
OK, I'll bite. If PDA has 15% of the best players, who has the rest? Considering they are defending regional champs this ought to be good. Dont lump Marlboro and PDA together, that's silly.
"...northern NJ has been the bridesmaid to southern NJ, but it is finally becoming the bride."
Just curious as to which side of NJ Soccer's "Mason-Dixon line" Millburn is on? Are they Yankees or Rebels?
4:57 PM that is a great question. ...sounds like you are looking to pick a fight. I'll just take the same route as Abraham Lincoln did in 1862 leading up to his Emancipation Proclamation of 1863. We will happily declare all Millburn players free men and welcome them to come play for the Union!
4:52pm - You're an IDIOT! The rest of the quality players are spread amongst several non-academy teams. You seem to think that those who choose to pay $3k-$4k for an academy, automatically makes them the best players in the state. Far from it....... In all fairness, 15% seems low, but it certainly isn't anywhere near 100% of all the best plays we have in NJ.
"You're an IDIOT! The rest of the quality players are spread amongst several non-academy teams."
I'll refrain from name calling, but I think you're both wrong.
My belief is that the best players in the State are with the Red Bulls. They find them from far and wide and train them for free. They have a number of NY players, but last time I looked there were a number of NJ kids there too.
Well, if RB has the best players that would work against your PDA argument also. There are easily 100 kids better then the many of the current PDA rostered players playing in other places. PDA has the best players playing for them that tried out.
And most of the experts posting on this board are going to know who the best players are?
It is simple math and economics.
"And most of the experts posting on this board are going to know who the best players are?"
Can't say I'm qualified to do so. But I believe the Red Bulls are.
When do Gottschee and World Class have tryouts?
I think they probably look at exceptional players at anytime.
"When do Gottschee and World Class have tryouts?"
I'm not on WC's mailing list. But I got a tryout schedule from Gottschee quite recently as follows:
When:
U13/U14
April 12, 6:45pm to 8pm
April 19, 6:45pm to 8pm
U15, U16, U17
April 12, 8pm-9:30pm
April 19, 8pm-9:30pm
Where:
Overpeck Park
100 Challenger Road
Ridgefield Park, NJ
Good luck!
Very subtle? Yikes.
We are moving to Ocean/monmouth county boader. Any suggestion on teams in that area with decent trainers? Already looked into NJSA and MatchFit and would like a few more options.
I stand corrected. It looks like both teams do have official tryouts this month and the above poster already posted some details, but it is different than what I found on-line. I would check the times (the dates look the same). The contact provided for Gottschee is sms31677@yahoo.com. World Class Academy '99s tryouts are 4/30, 5/1 7-8:30PM. No '00 academy team. Contact info provided is info@wcsocceracademy.org. This probably isn't anything more than anyone could find from a few minutes on google, but hopefully it helps.
"...the above poster already posted some details, but it is different than what I found on-line."
I posted the Gottschee Tryout schedule above but certainly can't vouch for its' accuracy. I just copied and pasted the info from an eamil I got about two weeks ago.
But the contact email in the message I received is the same as the poster above found online (sms31677@yahoo.com) so that's probably a good way to go to be sure.
Time to take a break from all the bickering and useless focus on gotsoccer points and state cups to share some really interesting youth soccer news. A 2001 age group club team from the USA last week went to the prestigious MIC Cup in Spain to compete against the world's best in the same age group (FC Barcelona Academy, ManU, Ajax etc.). You can read the details at the following URL.
http://blog.3four3.com/
It is a fun and inspiring read from the coaches, but after reading about these younger kids and how they got there I warn you. You may never look at your own team and matches the same way again.
Would you mind posting tryouts for every club in the state? Thank you in advance.
Sorry only post the ones with development academies.
Because like it or not, that's all that matters at this point anyway
I can't understand why anyone would take issue with the posting of soccer tryouts on a soccer message board. Particularly when someone inquired about them.
I try to refrain from name calling but there are some real turds around here sometimes.
All that matters in reguards to what? Your son getting that full ride to Duke or Md? Get a grip. I'm sure it's hard writing that check every year but you don't have to try and convince all of us.
i'm sure no one has an issue with you posting tryout info. Posting the question and then the answer is the issue. You think we are all that gullable?
It matters because the level of play. You just can't get past your bitterness that maybe there is better play out there than maybe you as a soccer parent handle, can you?
Here we go again. Fact: you do not have to play on an academy team to get good training and to play top level competition.
Fact: If you are not playing for an academy team, getting good training and playing top level teams is harder to find.
Fact: It can and is being done.
"You think we are all that gullable?"
Ah, so if you're wondering about a team's tryouts you shouldn't inquire about them here as any reply will be interpreted as a "call and response" promo solo?
And if you ask about tryouts for two different teams, with the intention of answering both, are you suffering from a multi-personality disorder?
Or might the real case here be that some self-proclaimed and misguided "Sherlock Holmes" has managed to find the culprit for a crime that was never committed?
I don't think you're gullible at all. I think I already described my thoughts about you quite accurately.
"I try to refrain from name calling but there are some real turds around here sometimes."
Ocean/Monmouth county teams is tough. Start with a good trainer and how many times a week. Call the managers and coaches. Don't blame you if you stay away from Match Fit and NJSA as they seem a bit unstable in the trainer comittment. Freehold, TR, NJ Force(wannabe academy) is probaly the best 3 options. Don't know much about any of them other than they play in some of the right places ie leagues and tourneys. Good luck.
Good soccer weekend for Marlboro beating TSF and Westfield. Don't put a fork in them just yet.
Page 6 Youth Soccer Talk...observed Saturday two best players (goalie and #3 striker) from the NJ Cup Matchfit 2000 team are also one and the same as the older Matchfit NE Academy League team's starting goalie and #15. This is the same team that plays Redbull Academy etc. Also, seems these players have not been present for any Matchfit 2000 games this spring. Could it be MF 2000 has players representing the team at NJ Cup that currently do not play for that team?
Page 6 Youth Soccer Talk...observed Saturday two best players (goalie and #3 striker) from the NJ Cup Matchfit 2000 team..."
I don't know about this. But, assuming the players are of the appropriate age, I don't see why this would be a problem.
Correction on numbers. #15 may or may not be the correct association, but the point is the same. e.g. the goalie for one is the goalie for the other.
Age eligibility is not the issue at all. Nobody is even questioning that although somebody may want to look into that too. The problem is the players do not play for the team they represent at NJ Cup. That is unethical in a competition whose rules disallow guest players and such. The intention is clearly to have only the kids that suit up and play with that team each week step on the field to represent the team for NJ Cup. That is not the case here. I am not even addressing other problematic issues like the fact that the players brought in to only play with the team in NJ Cup play on a higher level NEPL team that competes side by side with NYRB Academy. Perhaps other teams should be allowed to choose a couple age eligible NYRB Academy players to balance the scales and make it fair?
Princeton 2 Monroe 1
EDP Result SJEB 1 East Brunswick 0
"The problem is the players do not play for the team they represent at NJ Cup."
I thought it was interesting that the poster who was pretty obnoxious about Match Fit before they beat Gottschee never came back here to gloat about it.
Now I'm starting to wonder if a guilty conscience has anything to do with their absense.
"Good soccer weekend for Marlboro beating TSF and Westfield."
"Princeton 2 Monroe 1"
Starting to look like the talk of Marlboro's demise was off target while the talk of Monroe's demise was a bullseye.
Millburn 3- NJ Stallions Gunners 1
Who suggested going to Freehold? Am I missing something here, what has Freehold done?
Millburn vs Gunners game
It was a scrimmage. 5 starters missing from Gunners due Montclair spring break. Coach wasnt even there.
Don't get to excited everyone. My son and I watched this game. I say Parsippany 3 Millburn 2.
Bye Millburn. Oh but congrats on your scrimmage win vs a half Gunner team.
Typical Gunners wining spin. Way to teach your kids to take responsibility for their teams results. Just look at your Fall EDP results. Pathetic. Last time you won anything of any significance was a tourney against U12s. Millburn will continue you to succeed and Gunners will continue to fail. We've played you enough times to know that most of your best kids were on the field yesterday. Sure, you were missing a couple but not having that coach on your sidelines is really a positive. And why wasn't the coach there? Did he over sleep? Pathetic.
Marlboro had been quiet, now I see the Daddy's are back. One loss is all it will take to break that team up. Have you seen new players at practice lately? That would be a sign.
Please explain the above because you sound a bit confused yourself. How do you have any knowledge as to what their practice sessions consist of and who attends. Regardless, you sound like a fool. Quick to attack any positive word about Marlboro. Sounds like you kid was kicked off team or just couldnt make the squad. Real sad.
Look at it this way, if a team has new players coming to practice then that team is planning to stay as one. If no one is coming to practice, meaning new players, then that tells you a lot also. You seem to be a Marlboro person, you can answer your own question.
To the millburn parent going off on Gunners.
I will second the statement in saying Parsipanny will beat you in State Cup and guess what, once that happens all you have left is this blog. Your no where near as good as you think you are and your long ball tactics will soon be no match for players that now match your players size and speed. Ut oh, we're not 11 yrs of age anymore. Boys are growing.
Once Parsipanny shows not only the talent they have, but also show that your millburn team is all hype, your run is over. Parsipanny is bigger, stronger and faster.
Bye bye
What knowledge do have about Marlboro practices? There must be a big void in your daily schedule if you are in tune with Marlboro practice sessions without your kid playing for team. LOSER.
Final four predictions
Parsippsny
Mt Laurel
New Jersey Stallions
Match Fit
I guess you didnt like the question. I hope your team stays together, we enjoy playing and winning against you.
Ah well! Looks like the boys actually playing eachother always brings out the worst in the parents.
My guess on the NJ Cup is that the boys will have a lot more respect for eachother at the end of it than those who are supposed to be teaching them how to get along in life.
And I'll also be pretty surprised if Parsippany beats Millburn.
"It was a scrimmage. 5 starters missing from Gunners due Montclair spring break."
I like the Gunners and frequently post very positively about them here. But it does always seem like they are short of key players when things don't go well for them. I just makes me wonder why such a good team can't seem to get all their players together regularly.
World Class FC is holding tryouts for its USSF Pre-Academy and USSF Academy teams from April 30 - May 3. Go to www.wcsocceracademy.org for complete details on dates and times for each age group.
"Final four predictions" April 15 1:52
Parsippsny
Mt Laurel
New Jersey Stallions
Match Fit
Final four results...
Millburn
Princeton SA Orange
Westfield
East Brunswick
NJ Cup...
Millburn 3 peat
agree, would be a shock if millburn didn't win again
That is because they are no more kick n' run than the Gunners or EBSC, but nobody cares to admit it. None of them have as a good a defense either.
World Class will apparently look for about half a dozen '00s for their academy team at tryouts. I expect many may come from their own club team, but it is an opportunity for a special player that the previous post indicated might not be available until next year. Also, Gottschee postponed tryouts until this Friday due to weather. See earlier post. For those who did not see it Gottchee defeated #2 Match Fit in the Academy League this Saturday. Despite a close score, they were clearly the better team. They then played and drew 1-1 with the #1 team in the country at the age Red Bull Academy. By the end, Red Bull was just holding on hoping for a tie which gives some sense of the balance of power. Two more excellent opportunities for talented, serious players in northern NJ.
Please explain to me how the Gottschee NJ team relates to the Pre Academy team you mention that is based out of Queens. Looking at the Gottschee website they are having seperate tryouts for the USDA 13/14 academy program.
To the person suggesting Freehold and going to that team, you have to be the coach of Freehold because no one else knows that team exists.
Ok genius, Answer the question then. Ocean/Monmouth where do you suggest for this person? You have no clue but want to knock the suggestion? Zip it.
Lets see. Marlboro is an ez choice. How does freehold play in all the right leagues? NJ Force. They will get better.
Any predictions for this week end? Still feel Millburn will come away with win in very tight game against Parsippany. EB will lose to Match Fit. Marlboro should find way to beat Ironbound. Thoughts?
Ironbound will win
Parsippany will win
EB will win
Parsippany 2 Millburn 2 (parsipsnny win in pks)
Marlboro 3 Ironbound 2
Gunners 2 Westfield 1
Match Fit 4 EB 2
TSF 1 Den of Lions 0
Okay. Reality check.
Parsippany is a good team. Under-ranked yes, but this game is not going to PKs. Parsippany will not win against the #1 ranked team in NJ. Millburn will win and Stallions parents have already organized to chant "Go home Parsippany" after the game.
I like the 3 Ms to advance:
match fit
marlboro
millburn
"Parsippany is a good team. Under-ranked yes, but this game is not going to PKs."
I like what I've seen from Parsippany too. But I'd say they got a very tough break to have drawn Millburn here.
All the "boot it" hooters (haters?) will probably come back in force to criticize Millburn's style of play once they win the NJ Cup again.
Here are my State Cup predictions based on past posts on this blog:
Parsippany over Milburn. This game is the battle of who is better at playing kick and run. Whoever loses should “go home”. Milburn parents have been a lightning rod on this blog. I look forward to Parsippany taking their spot. “Boot it”
Marlboro over Ironbound. Marlboro will lose possession and foul Ironbound to get the ball back since that is how they play. Ironbound players will get upset and foul back getting a red card. Marlboro wind because Ironbound plays a man down for most of the game.
MLU over Toms River. Not much dirt on the blog to come up with anything funny. Sorry.
Monroe over Princeton. Monroe is a much better team now that they don’t have those players that left so it will be an easy win. Oh wait, Monroe lost???
Westfield over NJ Gunners. The Gunners coach will probably over sleep, have car trouble, or forget the players passes so Westfield will win by forfeit.
TSF over Den of Lions. TSF players will be motivated to win for the free burritos at Moe’s after the game.
Match Fit over EB. Although MF team is labeled as a 2000’s team, they will bring 1998 and older kids to win. Plus they are better at diving. On a side note, I predict EB loses all 11 Latin players at the end of the season and the EB coach rebuilds the team with 11 Korean players (team will be even better in 2013/14 season.)
Delran over SJ Barons. How do you beat the Avengers when they have caption America and Ironman.
Seriously, hope everyone has a wonderful weekend watching their children play soccer.
Thanks! Good stuff!
Marlboro v Ironbound?
Go home Marlboro! That was a long state cup season. Go home Marlboro! ...sorry... Stallions parent just warming up for after the Parsippany loss this afternoon.
Ironbound can back down 2-0 to win in overtime 3-2.
Millburn 2-0.
Parsippany wasn't bad but Millburn were better.
While any team is thrilled to advance, I can't say I envy Ironbound too much. I expect Millburn will handle them pretty easily.
eb or match fit
EB beats MFC 4-1!
eb kills mf 4-1
Poorly coached by MF. EB was stronger team.
2-1 Westfield over Gunners
Great game to watch. One of the mot exciting youth soccer games I watched.
Westfield dominate first. Gunners dominated second.
Westfield scores with 2 mins remaining in game.
Great game to both teams.
MFC-EB WAS A VERY EXCITING GAME, BOTH TEAMS PLAYED THEIR HEARTS OUT, IT A REAL SHAME HOW SOME MFC PARENTS CAN BE SO IGNORANT AND DISRESPECT YOUNG KIDS AND MAKE SUCH UGLY REMARKS, AT THE END IT IS JUST A GAME.
Why were MFC parents ignorant and disrespectful? Did they say or do anything to support that comment? Parents so often get that way in tight matches e.g Parsippany-Stallions state cup match, but this one looks like a blowout on paper. Not much to argue about when your own teams mails it in!?
Crickets in Marlboro?
Crickets? Seems like team focus is lost. Players practicing with other teams on a weekly basis doesn't lend itself to forming commraderie either. Looks like the ship is sinking.
Ironbound #6 on their way to beating #1 in the state. You heard it hear first! Ironbound matches up very well to the speed and physicality of Millburn and they will win the next NJ Cup match. It will be a low scoring affair with two of the best defenses in the state. For those who don't know, IB has defenders that can run with the big and tall forwards of Millburn and throw them off the ball like rag dolls. You all know who I am talkin' about and yes...like rag dolls. Also, Millburn's tall guy in the middle who flicks on headers to get the whole Millburn team racing forward will find he is NOT the tallest guy in the middle of the field. Those flick ons may go the other way this game!? IB may need a little good fortune to break down Millburn's defense, but don't be surprised to see a goal that will shock the Millburn crowd.
The Millburn defense is much better than Ironbound, IMO. You give the Ironbound defense entirely to much credit. They are very good but I don't think they are very fast at all. They are great if the ball is in front of them but a team that can move the ball well and I think they are in trouble. I watched Millburn for the first time on Sunday and they were a very solid team. I was surprised in that I felt the defense was the strength of the team. The big kid in Millburns defense is very talented. In my mind their little guy is going to be one of their best players in a few years. He had some problems at times going up against bigger kids but when he gets hair under his arms like them and gets his surge of speed, power and aggression look out. My point is that they have many very good players, not just the two big kids in the middle as some would have you believe. Not the kick and run team as many described either. They tried to play soccer the right way as did Parsippany. I was under the impresion they were a two man team but not the case at all. Overrated? Probably but as good as any team out there. I think they will handle Ironbound 2-0 or 3-1 is my prediction.
IB will lose to Millburn, no analysis needed. Just a fact.
Ironbound will come up way short.
4-0 Millburn. Two different levels.
Ironbound Sucks.
Talk about kick and run. Watch the american players show you how its done. 4-1 my prediction. (I give Ironbound one as we know one of those huge kicks up the field will possibly get in the net)
Ironbound, you beat one team to get to this round. The fact that you have any hype about this is a joke.
Your going home..
Lets see, first it is ridicule Millburn, now it is root for the Americans. Classless at best.
That's a new one! The opponent of Millburn being called the "kick n' run" team.
At least one Millburn parent is nuts.
10:11AM. I appreciate your praise of Millburn's defense (they are good), but you do not really know Ironbound's defense. They are just as good. Both give up less than a goal a game. You are crazy if you say they do not have speed. #15 will outrun every Millburn forward in a 50yr dash. He is also built like a tank. He is stronger and faster than the big, blonde Millburn defender you are referring to who fouls good players in frustration as often as he makes good plays. You picked the wrong example because there is no comparison. They play opposite each other anyway. You should be looking at how that IB defender matches up to the Millburn forward with the strange Top Gun name because Fly Boy is about to face a turbo charged tank. IB has a little guy who is tricky on the ball as well. If you doubt the talent of either then just ask the ID squared people.
It is too easy to say Millburn will win based on history and ranking. Ironbound is a different team than they are used to playing at state cup. EB, Galacticos, PDA, Parsippany etc. all attacking focused teams. Not to say their defenses are bad, but IB is built on defense. They will stand toe to toe with Millburn and kick them in the teeth. The players match up well and, unlike with Parsippany, the smallish field behind the H.S. will hide IB's weaknesses and play to their strengths. Don't be surprised if some tough, hungry kids from the Newark, JC area come out the burbs and give Millburn one hell of a battle.
I think Ironbound is a good team, I am not disagreeing with you. I have seen them play a bunch of times. I will pay closer atention to the speed of their defense next time I see them but for now I will stand by my comments on their speed in the back. The Millburn defender I was talking about was a big kid with black hair. His nickname was the same as a former NY Cosmos player. He is a monster. I like his game along with many other Millburn players.
I do not agree with the posters calling for an easy Millburn win but Ironbound pushes up so far that they are vulnerable to counter attacks. Irony for this borad at least is that a kick and run strategy is not a bad game plan against them.
Based on what I have seen from both teams Millburn has the better overall team and wins. Not a given by any stretch because IB can play but my opinion.
The little IB player is not even above average. Go get another glass of sangria.
Let me guess. In your mind only the big kids who have already grown all they will grow since they hit puberty already are/will be good players? Time will tell who is right. Lets wait until it evens out and he is as big as the other kids. I'm betting he will be the better player then. I still stand by my comment that he played well and held his own on Sunday despite his dissadvantage,
BTW, I don't drink but thanks.
My apologies. You said the IB player and I thought you were reffering to my comment about the Millburn player. Maybe I should start drinking LOL.
IB has alot of small players and one of them is pretty good although I have no idea if we are talking about the same kid. The kid I am thinking about played forward for them in Super Y last summer.
Millburn is used to playing Princeton and PDA and teams like it where the name of the game is pay to play. All these kids benefit from the best daddy can buy. Does it surprise anyone that the top soccer teams list for the state also reads like the most affluent towns list for NJ? Even teams like the Gunners not directly associated with a town have kids mainly from those towns.
Ironbound is different. They are a bunch of kids from the city that could not play if they had to pay anything like the other country club teams. BUT they are big and strong and fast too and boy are they hungry. They moved up the rankings faster than any team in the state! They have arrived and they are coming to prove a point so watch out. This match is blue collar vs. silver spoon. The big, tough kids from Newark would like nothing more than to visit the big, country club kids from Millburn and show them what to do with their silver spoons! This one is going to be a battle.
This is the problem with NJ soccer. All anyone is talking about is how big, tough and fast the boys are instead of how skilled the kids are. Millburn or IB will win the State Cup but in the end it's not going to end up meaning anymore than just that. We need more teams teaching skills instead of just looking to recruit giants.
Finally an intelligent comment! well said!!!!!
IB, it didnt take you too long to get on the bragging wagon. Prove it, and then walk away quietly.
"Ironbound #6 on their way to beating #1 in the state. You heard it hear first! Ironbound matches up very well to the speed and physicality of Millburn and they will win the next NJ Cup match."
Haven't read the exchanges that followed this one. Merely scanned them to see if there was a real debate.
I have seen both teams play this spring and have absolutely no doubt as to who will advance here.
Ironbound has been successful late in matches I've seen. They've dug themselves a hole and than managed to climb out of it. But there is no climbing out of the hole once Millburn puts you in it. Instead, they finish off the job with a proper burial!
Millburn by at least 3. Not a very compelling match and a short- lived "bragfest" for the folks from the big city!
PSA wins it all
Have also seen both teams play and this game will not even be close, probably 4-0 with Millburn on it's way to yet another State Cup Championship.
Ironbound is #9 not #6. Flip that upside down! That isn't even a real #9 yet because they are already getting points for 3rd in their fall league and that's not even over. Look how silly that is. Mount Laurel just tripled their points (+4500) for 2nd moving them up to #10 in the state. Mount Laurel won't even finish in the top 4 for the league. They just played the easy part of the schedule so far. The only real team they played was Gottschee where they lost 6-0! They are more likely than not to end the season with 0 points for the league.
World Class FC is holding tryouts for its USSF Pre-Academy and USSF Academy teams from April 30 - May 3. Go to www.wcsocceracademy.org for complete details on dates and times for each age group.
Anyone knows when Millburn/Ironbound are playing?
So funny listening to Millburn parents (or maybe other teams who say they saw IB play) predict 4-0 wins like it is a given. No problem!?
The fact is IB hasn't given up more than 2 goals this year and it took top 5 teams to do it. Other good teams got blanked. Why? Ask yourself... you say you saw the games...was IB's defense out of position or caught ball watching like your defense? No. Were they ever caught from behind or outnumbered in front of goal like your defense? No. Very unlikely. More than likely you scored by swinging the ball around quickly and shooting a near perfect shot from an outside angle. Millburn will have to penetrate a fortress wall in front of goal or get lucky from outside. Maybe they will be fortunate on game day and maybe not, but I kind of like the chances of an underdog that can stay in games and comeback. Millburn's defense has forced other state cup teams to be exceptional on attack to score in the last two seasons. Npw they are facing a defense that can do the same.
IB,it sure does not hurt that you have a coach standing on the parents sideline directing your defense every step of the way. Then of course at halftime this same coach runs across the field and gets in the team huddle to redefine what he wants done. 2nd half he regains his position on the parents sideline, right about at the 18 and directs his players. Oh, so it doesnt matter that you are actually cheating? Do you actually think that no one sees you doing this? Not only are you cheating but you are completely stupid and obvious about it.
Sounds like a jealous Marlboro parent!
Why would it sound like a jealous Marlboro parent? Are you admitting you did it vs Marlboro also?
Ironbound cheat? NO, not THAT club, they have a history of being very honest.
Please...a lot of coaches direct from the sidelines. The way you are whining like a little kid about going to the opposite sideline you would think the coach got on the field and played for the kids! ...as if that is why you lost. Face it! You lost because you are not as good. Why does every parent that loses automatically complain that the other team cheats? Ironbound is an established, respected club doing well at many age groups. They would no more cheat than PDA or Millburn.
I have not seen IB play, but this is interesting. Are you suggesting that it is allowed to have a coach direct his players from the parents sideline? If you are, you are wrong. IF IB does this, they are in fact cheating. IF this said coach then went to the bench at halftime and instructed his players not only is that cheating but the refs were wrong for allowing him to do this and to stay.
IB did it at our field as well. I told the ref after the half when the parent/coach left the halftime huddle to go to the defensive side of the field. Ref thought he was just a parent but he had an IB coaches shirt on. Our parents finally told him to go back to his side of the field. After a few heated words he did retreat. Yes, I've seen IB cheat!
Did this change the outcome of your match? I would say NOT. Many teams do this, get over it.
Did it change the outcome? probably not, but it is still wrong. you have 3 coaches on bench and 4th on parental sideline barking instructions. Quite visible boys were listening to 4th coach as he instructed boys to switch positions and boys did as told. If nothing else, not fair to parents on sidelines that are cheering on kids to have an ass with an attitude on that side of the field. go apply for the requisite license or green card so that you can rightfully be on coaches sideline.
"Many teams do this, get over it. "
No they don't. Many teams have parents who shout out to the kids and often this includes their ideas as to what the players should do. But I've never experienced a plan where a member of the team's coaching staff uses the flexibility of movement allowed on the spectators' side to direct a team on the field. It's against the rules and IB surely knows this. So if they are employing this as a tactic, then they are most certainly cheating. And any attempt to justify it is as bad as claiming the use of an overaged player should be okay because the kid isn't particularly big.
Regarding my complaints about the seeding for the NJ Cup a while back, I'd say one of my biggest concerns has come to fruition. I said the lower left portion of the bracket was weak and now either Mt. Laurel or Princeton Orange are assured a semi-final birth.
Millburn, EB, and TSF/Westfield are reasonable semi-finalists. But the lower left of the bracket will surely produce an undeserving 4th and that's too bad. There are a number of teams that have already been eliminated that could have cake-walked to the semis from there.
Hope you do a better job of seeding you "Super Groups" in the future NJ Cup!
"...or green card..."
Thought your post was on target until you suddenly turned ignorant.
What a shame!
This the stupidest discussion ever heard. YOU parents are not the determinant of cheating (a term never even used in the Laws of the Game) or the rules of play. The REFEREE is. If you alerted the referee then that is all you can do. If the referee did not take action perhaps your facts, interpretation of the situation, or knowledge of applicable rules is not correct? Rhetorical question...obviously the referee disagreed with you. Getting on a board and calling another team cheaters afterward is nonsense! The referee decisions are FINAL!
You lost. You are whining and looking for an excuse that does not even have to do with the players on the field. That is cowardly. Ironbound's players did better than your players on the field and you do not like it. End of story.
Don't assume we lost. Your cheating and getting away with it didn't get the result u wanted.
Oh now we got away with it! That referee enforcing the rules comment went right over your head. Why am I not surprised you think you are better informed about the rules or better able to judge them than the ref?
Sorry to inform you. There is one other option here. You and your oversize ego are just wrong. It is idi0ts like you that give youth soccer a bad name.
Clearly IB is defending themselves. Simple question IB, Did you have a parent/coach on the parents sideline instructing players then go to the players sideline and huddle at half to give further instructions? Deny it if you can
Where did PDA Rooney go? They are listed on U14 now in 4th. What's up? Did they get caught with older players on team? If so all points should be wiped out. Someone pls explain?!
"Did they get caught with older players on team?"
I seriuosly doubt it.
And IB "defender", Is the coach prompting you on your tactics here?
Anyone who's been watching youth soccer for any reasonable period of time understands the rules.
From the "Laws of the Game" you so foolishly want to rely on, I would suggest you review Page 56 regarding the Technical Area. I've provided a link for you:
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2012_e.pdf
I had no horse in the IB/Marlboro race but thought the accusation of cheating was interesting. And after the IB supporter's claim that it's true but okay, I now have no doubt about it's accuracy.
It's cheating buddy.
And regarding the equally inane idea that it's okay if the ref doesn't mind, you've missed the boat again.
A referee's error or bad judgement affect only what happens on the field, but doesn't make things that are wrong okay.
Wow again! You parents are idi0ts. The inane idea is that you think you (or the typical parent) know better than trained referees. Sure they make mistakes, but I will take my chances with their calls and training over yours. And by the way, so does FIFA. That is why the rules that my "buddy" sent me a link to say clearly and without question that the referee enforces the rules on the field. Not you! I guess you didn't read that part "buddy".
I had no horse in the race either. I am not even an Ironbound parent. I am just tired of lame parents whining about cheating every time they lose rather than facing the truth that their kid just isn't as good. And this claim of cheating smacks as one of the weakest cheating claims I have heard. Lose gracefully. We played them too. They're good. The players did not cheat from what you indicate and they were the ones on the field. Not the coach. It is a shame if what you say is true. I have disagreed with coaches and refs before too, but if my team did not deliver on the day don't call "cheat". Show some character and instead be ready for the next time you meet.
As for your pg. 56, you should note that technical areas "may differ" and the notes are not hard and fast rules of the game, but merely "general guidance". It is hard to call someone a "cheater" based on that. Those are harsh words not justified by a page 56 violation. In fact, the very same notes outline various other restrictions as well you would be shocked to know many teams/officials are often in violation of. I would bet your own coach has violated one or two at some point as well.
"Wow again! You parents are idi0ts. The inane idea is that you think you (or the typical parent) know better than trained referees. "
I am a licensed referee. Are you?
And if you don't understand why Page 56 of the FIFA Laws is the end of your inane argument, perhaps you think the "Technical Area" at this match in question extended to the 18 yard box on the spectators' side of the field.
I try to refrain from insults here, but you are an argumentative ignoramus who deserves no further attention. A fool who, after having their own misguided augment stuffed up their crow, is shameless enough to come back for more.
Come on back for more now and show us you can be even more moronic...please!
"I would bet your own coach has violated one or two at some point as well. "
Again, another attempt to "justify" cheating with a claim that everybody does it.
Do you really not understand how riddled your argument here is?
You write well enough to appear reasonably intelligent, so please start acting like it, okay?
Hi licensed referee. Just one question. It seems clear you are not the person making the "cheating" accusation. Were you there personally? Did you observe the behavior that gives rise to the "cheating" call?
I don't think so.
What makes you think the comments of a jealous parent are an accurate or reliable description of the facts? I don't believe them and the fact that the ref was informed and chose to do nothing is a strong tip-off that the parent's version of events may be seriously flawed.
Sorry licensed referee, but one more question. The fact that you chose to weigh in suggests to me your team has played Ironbound recently too. Did you observe any coaches coaching from outside the technical area? You may not have been at the game the original poster was, but if you observed the same behavior it might suggest there is something to the claim.
One more comment for the poster who retorts "Don't assume we lost."
You lost! IB has not lost to a NJ team since February and you are not bringing this issue up for the first time almost 3 months after the fact. Admit it. You lost and you are jealous. Don't worry though. You will have company commiserating with Millburn parents next weekend.
"What makes you think the comments of a jealous parent are an accurate or reliable description of the facts?"
I wasn't at the match in question and have not seen Ironbound play is some time.
But the reason I am confident that an IB coach directed players from outside the technical area in their match against Marlboro is that a claim was made here about it and an apparent IB supporter attempted to justify it as opposed to denying it.
So if the whole thing never happened, and the IB supporter here was a hoax, then I've been had. I doubt this is the case but accept it's possibility.
Regardless, the employment of this tactic would amount to an attempt to cheat were it to occur.
"You will have company commiserating with Millburn parents next weekend. "
Please do come back and share your opinions on the IB/Millburn game after it's been played.
(Can't wait to read this one as a "mea culpa" is not likely. So the refs or the wind of injuries or some other collection of excuses will surely be tried, directly contrasting with the "You lost!" attitude expressed above.
Then again, the likelihood of never hearing from you again here is greater and a more appealing option.)
Honestly if it is true that a coach is directing the defense from outside the technical area then shame on the coach. Not for cheating the other team but for cheating their own team. At some point these kids need to make their own decisions and not have an adult direct them on what to do. That is the only way they will truly learn and develop. If the acusation is true it is only hurting their own players, not the other team. In reality these games mean nothing. Only the development of the player should matter and if a coach is continuing to direct them on what to do then they are only concerned with results and not the development of his players.
That said our team has played IB recently and I did not notice a coach directing the defense Does not mean it did not happen). If I did I would not have been concerned about them cheating our team but I would have been bothered that a coach would be that ignorant.
"If the acusation is true it is only hurting their own players, not the other team. In reality these games mean nothing."
I certainly understand your point. But I suppose there are some who might feel that advancing in the NJ Cup and getting the opportunity to play another important match can also contribute to a players development and that circumventing the rules is unfortunate for all of those involved.
Lets keep this simple, Ironbound 100% circumvented what is reasonably accepted at a soccer match. You can call it cheating, poor sportsmanship, overzealous, desperate or smart. Not only did this individual know he was doing it, the parents knew and they are ok with it. The other IB coaches knew, and they were complicit with it. Just be aware if you play them that the defensive 18 on the parents sideline is reserved for IB coaches.
Don't know if Ironbound did this against Marlboro or not. But after all the talk about it here, I can't imagine they'd dare to try it against Millburn. I've got to think word of this claim has spread far and wide within the NJ U13 Boys world by now.
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