I understand the Gottschee enthusiasm whether it's definite or defiant. Northpoort Cow Harbor plays in NYE, right?
It thought Gottschee was confusing before. But now I can't tell if they're Jekyll, Hyde or Winner of Play-in-Game B.BTW, Winner of Play-in-Game B has a bit of Jekyll and Hyde to them, reaching the final of the EDP Open Cup and then getting scorched 4-0.
As redemption for their goof, I believe it would be quite fair for GS to keep those 4,000 points Gottschee got for EDP open cup to last for 1 year starting today. I don't think they will, but I hope they realize their mistake and make sure it doesn't happen to this scale again. I've had this type of thing happen to my own sons team a few times, when EDP for some reason doesn't enter some of his Edp games. Like he plays the game, wins or loses, and it is just never recorded in the standings. Anyway, tough luck Gottschee.
Yeah I know Gottschee's been trying to get those points since July. Sucks that it came after the tournaments, their placement at Manhattan and Jefferson
"But now I can't tell if they're Jekyll, Hyde or Winner of Play-in-Game B."I think this statement is now false because that was months ago. Gottschee after beating parsippany 3-0 have been stepping up. I predicted they wouldn't have won this many games without losing.. Guess the guy was right when he said that gottschee will surprise people this year because that's what they've been doing to me. I'll put this way.. Gottschee has been surprising me more than any other team in NJ but I guess that's my opinion.
Gottschee lost to Cow Harbor earlier on the same day they beat Parsippany. Sorry, but that's Hyde and Jekyll.
"Yeah I know Gottschee's been trying to get those points since July. Sucks that it came after the tournaments, their placement at Manhattan and Jefferson"hmmmm .... so if Gottschee's been trying since July last year to get those points, then it's not Gotsoccer that dind't do their job. That would be EDP who didn't report it correctly. and yeah, tough luck, they lose out on placements in tournaments. It would also affect their application to other tournaments, right? So is that EDP manipulating placements and standings?
I think the idea of parsippany having to play for their spot on the "blue" team is interesting but my question would be if any funny business was involved in who was on which team or if a player who worked hard couldn't win a spot on the team because they were thought of as a "white" team player. Then there is the problem of what if the white team becomes short players because of injuries so instead of 35 players on their roster, only 30 players are there and then the team is short players (which might not be important if they younger team also plays up) and my final problem could be if kids are constantly moving teams, who would be captain and if there wasn't a captain, how can one player decide to show leadership without looking arrogant? The idea is interesting but even professional teams have 30 players on their roster and you choose 18 for each tournament/game and the remaining players have to work their way into the team.
"So is that EDP manipulating placements and standings?"Or worse yet, could it be the Russians doing this from the grassy knoll?
Does anyone think they knew the true "best team" in NJ right now? I've just been think since the top 5 ranks in the state are so close right now.
1. PDA Rooney2. MF Black3. EB4. Parsippany Blue5. GottscheeAnd with that said, I think any one of these teams could beat any other of them on any given day.
"I think the idea of parsippany having to play for their spot on the "blue" team is interesting but my question..."I can't say I'm close to the Parsippany club but posts like this make me wonder. What kind of "funny business" might be involved that one wouldn't find in a more traditional two team environment where a player on the "B" team has no (or very limited) opportunity to move to the "A" squad?And with a pool of 35-36 players, wouldn't it be easier for Parsippany to adapt to injuries? So why would this present any more of a problem than it would on a single team with 17 or 18 players?As far as kids "constantly" moving teams, I have no idea if this is the case or not. The post from March 22, 2016 at 1:26 PM says they are " basically split into two U16 teams...but that kids can play themselves off one roster and onto the other based on their performance at training each week." So while I understand that this gives the impression of a weekly assessment, I'm not sure it means there's a revolving door with players "constantly" streaming from one roster to the other. Seems one would need to earn this (or deserve it) and I have no idea how hard or easy that may be.As far as the captain stuff goes, I think that's just plain silly.To me, it sounds like Parsippany is working towards providing a competitive environment that promotes player development akin to the way clubs around the world go about this. Not easy to do here as there aren't too many clubs who can sign enough players to provide the critical mass of bodies needed for this. But posts about not knowing who the captain is and "funny business" just seem contrarian for the sake of it to me.My son is very happy where he is and I have no real plans of a change at this point. But if he were looking to make a move, this is a club I'd definitely want to check out.
""So is that EDP manipulating placements and standings?"Or worse yet, could it be the Russians doing this from the grassy knoll?"haahahah yep, it could very well be. It is still humans after all, and not robots who work on updating websites. It sounds suspicious that it would take so long to fix a mistake that was brought to their attention since July, unless the system crashed and was out of wack for several months - which we know it wasnt.
Not sure if there's a revolving door between the Parsippany A and B squads. It would seem to me that Parsippany would have a core A and B squad, each with their own captains. Players from B probably get a spot on A and play up depending on their performance either at practice or games. I would think it a headache for the coach to constantly select who plays for which squad each game each week, and then have to rearrange his squads. Then again, maybe he likes to go through that weekly selection.
But it would also be in Parsippany's best interest to make sure the Blue and White teams are competitive meaning that if that means pushing some players down to make sure the White team is successful than so be it. I think that's what people are questioning. I think this kind of structure as original as it is is only successful if there's not a super huge gap between the teams. If you can talk parents into paying for this but there's a chance the second team is near the bottom then you probably don't have quite the support. Just a thought.
"...It sounds suspicious that it would take so long to fix a mistake that was brought to their attention since July..."I find this hard to believe too. I've had some dealings with GotSoccer over the years and have always been impressed with their quick follow up. I can't say they've always accommodated my requests. But in the cases where they didn't they at least got back to me quickly to explain why. And I can't fathom why EDP would want to deny a team that pays to play in their events either. So I don't know who the real culprit is here but I can't help but wonder if it wasn't Gottschee themselves.
I don't know why GS would want to screw up Gottschee, they're a big club and give tons of money to EDP every year. It just makes absolutely no sense. The problem probably lies with Gottschee themselves, who failed to notice that they didn't get points, although I agree even that seems strange. And of course let me put my own input into the top teams in NJ:1. PDA Rooney2. MF Black3. Gottschee4. EB5. Parsippany6. TSFI'm going a lot on who's beaten who. Gottschee at 3 is definitely higher than others think, but on a good day they can beat anyone, and I think that type of potential deserves some credit. Besides PDA and MF, I think these teams really are all dead even.
So if you think gottschee can beat anyone on a good day, do you think they can beat MF and PDA?
Yes, anyone is anyone.
" The problem probably lies with Gottschee themselves, who failed to notice that they didn't get points, although I agree even that seems strange. "I agree. There's a post a couple of days ago that said that Gottschee had been trying to get those points posted since July (last year), so they surely noticed. I don't think it's GS either - they're getting results from the leagues and tournaments, so it seems to me that it was stuck with EDP. In any case, they're back where they belong now, so it should make for an exciting and interesting season!
Interestingly, that youth soccer rankings page also has Gottschee at 3 (without the GS points), so yeah give them the credit. At least they're playing in major tournaments, and not just playing secondary tournaments for points as DOL likes to do. I would say the top 5 or 6 teams in NJ right now is a toss-up. We'll see how the season goes for them.
I just found this out, but did anyone know that you can see why a team earns as many points as they did for placing in a tournament?Hard to describe, but do this:1. Go to a team's GS page2. Hover your cursor over the number of points awarded for a specific eventFor example, go to PDA Rooney's GS page, hover your cursor over the 1786 points they got for Manhattan Kickoff, and you can see why they got that many points. I don't know if anyone else knew this, I certainly didn't.
Gotschee is always in some sort of scandal because if we go far back, they were playing with kids a year up and now they have this thing so maybe got soccer didn't want to give gotschee the points until they believed that they weren't cheating anymore
Gottschee in a scandal? what scandal are they in now? I haven't heard anything recently. And they wouldn't be the first team to play with kids a year up - most teams, if not all, do that same thing. Somebody probably sold them out. And Gotsoccer doesn't decide whether to give points or not - that would be EDP. And 12:01pm - thanks for that tip on the points. I sort of vaguely knew there was some sort of formulas, but this shows it much better.
TSF beat the best team in the country at Dallas Cup but they are not top 5 in the state I agree
A win over La Premier FC on Tuesday was certainly a great result for TSF. What a shame they fell short the following day against the FC Dallas team as they were in position to win their group. But placing 2nd in the group at Dallas still does NJ proud!Unexpected results though for a team that struggled to beat the Parsippany B team in the State Cup 2 weeks ago. Still, nice job TSF!
Wow it's impressive that TSF beat the number one team in the country. But what I find even more crazy is that the teams above TSF (not counting DOL) can beat TSF any day. I also think parsippany can beat TSF easily. But anyways my point is that our top NJ teams must be really high quality teams that can beat almost any team in the country including the number 1 team in the nation. But maybe that's me thinking really radically..
I know I'm very late on this but I know an EB parent who told me that the gottschee v. EB game that resulted 4-3 counted for two games.. One for EDP and the other for NJYS or what ever that other state cup is called. While the parent told me this I was kinda questioning if that were possible. Could it actually be true?
Yes it can, the MF vs Copa match counted for NPL and EDP Open Cup
Yeah but I thought NJYS doesn't start till April.
Yes, the TSF win over LA Premier is big news for both them in particular and for NJ in general.It's been a while since I felt that NJ clubs were on par with the best in the country. But between Parsippany's semifinal showing at the Surf Cup last summer, MF Black making their final at Disney and now TSF's strong showing at Dallas this month, NJ teams have shown up big time at big national events recently. Seems NJ deserves a fair amount of respect IMO.And the fact that most of us know that any one of these (or a few other NJ teams) could all beat each other on any given day means that our state is a very competitive one (in the northern part at least).Good for all of our boys!
I thought njys doesn't start until April too. In fact, I don't think teams have even been notified if they've been accepted, let alone a bracket being released.
In the past I have seen GotSoccer list the same game twice in team's game history under two different event names. Sometimes EDP offers teams from the same league who happen to meet at another of their events (EDP Cups for example) to have the tournament game count as the league match as well. I'm pretty sure both teams need to agree to this before the match starts.And there also seems to be some confusion about the two "State Cups." The event that's already played 1st round matches is not the "State Cup," but the "New Jersey Cup" and is organized by US Club Soccer.http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=462021&tclass=Boys%20U16%20Super%20GroupThe "State Cup" as it has traditionally been called is the first step of US Youth Soccer's National Championship Series at the state level NJYS) with the winner advancing to the regional and potentially national championships. As per NJYS's site, registration for this one is still open (until 4/4) and the brackets are to be out on 4/11.So it seems unlikely that the Gottschee/EB game could be counting for both the EDP league and either of these State tournaments as these teams wouldn't meet until the final in the NJ Cup and still don't know when they may meet in the other.NJYS is also organizing an event called the NJYS Presidents Cup with preliminary rounds played on 4/9 - 4/10 but I can't find any schedule for this one.
No but the parent was clear that it was NJYS national series. So that's why I was so confused.
Then either the EB parent knows something the rest of us don't or, more likely I'd say, was confused themselves.
The EB game versus Gotschee counted as part of EDP and the QUALIFIER game (1of 3) which NJYS requires you to play to participate in the state cup. This was not a State Cup game.
So gottschee and EB have to play two more games to qualify?
No, not each other specifically. I believe NJYS requires teams to be carded by them and to play at least 3 games against other NJYS carded competition in order to qualify for their "State Cup." That's why we see some teams passing on this one these days as they may card through US Club only.I'd say the NJ Cup is probably a better representation of the real State Championship but GotSoccer still recognizes the USYS/NJYS winners as such. This explains how a team like Mainland could have "earned" this honor last year.
GotSoccer is showing that MF Black drew with Ironbound today. Does anybody out there have a real handle on who Ironbound really is?
I definitely have too much time on my hands as, having grown tired of skewed math and biased opinions, I tried to devise my own ranking system for NJ U16 boys tonight. Of course, my system is flawed from the start because I relied on Got Soccer rankings to a degree. But I gave it a go anyway and can’t say I’m unhappy with the results.My idea was to see how the current top 10 NJ teams have fared against top 5 competition from all states since the age group changed to U16 last summer. So I painstakingly sorted out the results for each team against competition that was ranked # 5 or better in their state. I decided GotSoccer’s State rankings were a better gauge than their National ones as some Midwest states don’t rack up points like we do here in the Northeast and I knew that needed to be addressed. For example, MF Black has played Minnesota Utd, who are ranked #605 nationally by GotSoccer. But they’re the #1 ranked team in their state so they’ve got to be much more competitive than say, Berkley Revolution who are ranked #607 nationally but #40 here in NJ. Make sense?After compiling all this data I found that some NJ teams play a lot of highly ranked teams from all around the country while other just don’t. For example, Parsippany has played the most games against teams that meet this criteria with 11 and MF Black is second with 10. On the other side of the list are Gottschee and SJEB with 3 each and DOL who have played just 2.Using some “magic” I devised a formula that rewarded teams for a combination of the number of games played and their results. I won’t give you the full details on how I went about this cause that would be like the Colonel giving away his secret recipe. But here are the results…call them the Kentucky Fried NJ U16 Boys Top 10!1 TSF / 120.32 Parsippany / 113.13 MF Black / 81.04 Rooney / 42.15 Gottschee / 28.36 Logan / 19.67 Mainland / 17.58 EB / 9.79 SJEB / 5.310 DoL / 0.0
I think GS's rankings are almost as good as anything any of us will come up, to be honest. Yeah, we could Parsippany higher and move DOL lower but I think that will change with time, and if doesn't, oh well. There are flaws with every system. Just look at the FIFA national team rankings.
For all those who think that tsf beat lafa, think again. I have heard the game was rained out after 30 mins so they were winning 2-1 but who knows if they would've won. Also, I heard they took about 7 guest players and left some of their own team home to bring guests. I'm not sure if this is true because my sources are unreliable but if it is true, that's wrong to rather win than help your own team.
It's typical of TSF to let guest players play the whole game and leave their own players home. Rankings and points are more important to them.
I don't know much about TSF so I can't say if these claims are true or not. But I've said it before...that substituting guests for full time members at big tournaments is really hard to stomach IMO. We all pay plenty for our kids to be members of their clubs. So the idea that "paying customers" are left on the bench (or at home) while some other players who are not even part of the club gets exposure at a big event like Dallas or Disney is despicable. Not sure how parents and players would allow this without demanding a refund.
812 and 1013 you both are completely wrong as a player of this team we all worked very hard and through hard work we beat the best team in the country and we used our own squad not a single guest player came and it did not even rain in Dallas until the last day so if you need us to clarify anything else we would be more than happy. As we take great offense to these complete lies and would like to be recognized as a team that does not cheat but just works hard. Thank you guys if you want the film of the game we would be more than happy to send.
I am a Parent that went to the Dallas Cup with my son this past week that is on TSF. From a literal first hand experience from being there I will tell all of you that TSF did not bring one guest player on their roster. Also, they did beat LAFA the best in the country fair and square. They sat back and defended for their lives and put all of there heart out on the field. They deserve some real respect as I didn't see any other team from NJ in this age group go to Dallas Cup and finish second in the group. All of the Parsippany players and the parents that are on here were loathing on their couches at home wishing they were competing with the best teams in the country.
Well I was not one of the ones saying that TSF used guest players, but in any case, well done! Great victory over LAFA and unlucky not to make to the quarterfinals despite winning 2 games. I think this is the start of a revival of NJ clubs in this age group, after a disappointing 14/15 season. MF Black took another loss to Montco (I swear they have played each other at least 5 times), but NJ's on the rise!
Tsf may have brought down their real team but I find it a bit confusing how they can say they have a lot of character. First they should've lost to parsippany b team or at least struggled with them, then they beat lafa and embarrassed another team at Dallas and all they had to do was beat a team and they were winning 1-0 at halftime and they just had to defend and win 1-0 to get out of the group but instead they gave up 3 second half goals so while I am extremely impressed that they beat the number 1 team in the country, their inconsistency outweighed their talent IMO.
Can't wait for this weekend! So many important and good games.
This is going to sound a little crazy but this is why tsf doesn't make sense to me. Parsippany lost to Marin 2-0 who lost to lafa in surf cup finals 3-0. Then tsf beat lafa 2-1 but they almost lost to parsippany b and struggled previous weeks in Manhattan and other local tournies. Based on the comments, whoever said they didnt beat lafa is wrong but whoever said they were inconsistent is dead on. As is gotschee and parsippany and if you think about it, all of these teams are a little inconsistent which is okay. Nobody at this age is good enough to play well EVERY game and if you are, your in the academy program. That's why I think to rate the top teams is so challenging because of the inconsistencies. Who's better on any given day between tsf, matchfit black and blue, parsippany, gotschee, pda, and possibly east Brunswick is so close that it's impossible to rank these teams. I bet if you put any of these teams on a field and had them play 10 times, the final result would be 5-5 or possibly 6-4 with neither team being significantly better. Every team has a bad day. Last year east Brunswick lost to dol 5-0! The week before they beat mf black. That's why soccer is so exciting. Any team can win on any day.
I'm glad to hear the claims of guests and rain are untrue. Congrats TSF on a great win!
What many fail to consider is that these inconsistencies are due to various factors at this age.Yes, many teams bring guest players, but there are other factors such as missing players and injuries.Game play is tougher at this age, so injuries play a major factor on team performance.....especially those teams who do not have a deep bench.Last year, EB lost 5-0 against DOL due to a red card to a starting player 10 minutes into the game. I'm not saying refs have a major impact on the overall consistency of a team, but one wrong call can change results drastically......and paint an inaccurate picture.And for the poster above (7:18PM), you make a great point.....any of these teams can beat each other on any given day.
DOL destroys EB last year without red card. No making excuses. Winning 2-0 when the red card given. EB come out tired looking and DOL take advantage with determination. Foul was frustration.EB brings guest players to all tournaments no injuries. Jefferson Cup EB have 2 guest players my friend said.No excuse!
What is everyone's score predictions for parsipanny vs sdfc in state cup? I say sdfc wins 1-0.
Ok I don't know why people think SDFC is all that or MF blue but I think parsippany and all those top teams in Nj have nothing to fear with SDFC and MF blue. If Parsippany does lose well hell they must have a had a really bad day because they don't just lose to any low ranked teams
9:58am poster...You're obviously a DOL parent.....you're missing the point.This is not about EB versus DOL. No one is taking away DOL's win.My point was that, there are other factors besides guest players.If you don't think missing players and injuries make a difference in the consistency of a team, then you're as naive as the comment you made above.
I haven't seen SDFC yet so I can't comment from my own perspective. But based on a scoreless draw with Levittown in their last game, I would think Parsippany should be a tough draw for them.But you never know!
Sdfc is actually a very good team and should beat parsippany easily. Parsippany used their first team Against tsf which which is why that game was so close and now they're using their b team against sdfc. They did this because the b team needs more points and this was an easy way for them to get some except it backfired because they didn't beat tsf. The game will still be exciting because parsippany b will probably compete with sdfc but be ready for an energetic game.
Levittown isn't even comparable to parsippany. SDFC is no match to Parsippany.
I'm sorry but how are you supposed to compare parsippany to Levittown? You can't SDFC isn't that good in my opinion
I don't know if Parsippany used their A team against TSF, but they are for sure using their A team against SDFC. I just talked to a Parsippany parent.
Sdfc didn't have their entire team against Levittown. Also, inconsistencies have been talked about before and 2 weeks ago, parsippany lost to gotschee 3-0 who sdfc best in a scrimmage 3-1. And sdfc has a better midfield but it does t matter because copahas locked up the state cup.
Yes TSF did give up 3 goals in the second half of their last game however there were extreme winds (not that those conditions could be an excuse) and they played FC Dallas who is an extremely good academy. Yes, there are inconsistencies in there game and everyones game, but I do believe they outweighed everyones expectations of how they would do down there and they could be a team to watch out for this year.
Only exciting game this year is going to be sdfc bs parsippany because those are the only 2 teams in the state worth watching now.
And the clowns living in dreamland show up to the conversation (5:28PM poster).Why can't you just be constructive and support all the top NJ teams.Comments like yours are just meant to be inflammatory and get a rise out of people who come to this site to get good information and insight on youth soccer.
I'm sorry for I'm a gottschee parent for the Roma team and I hate to break it to you but we never played you guys.. Now I do remember our b team playing you because my son had to go since he needed a little bit more practice.
Gottschee Roma never played SDFC.. It was the Dortmund team, I know this because my son had to play that game. So please be careful with what facts you put out there.
Wow two gottschee parents..
So it looks like MF Black, PDA Rooney, Abbey Villa Barcelona, and North United are having a little tournament of their own this weekend... Each team plays the other 3 teams this weekend, all in region 1 champs league. Many of the games at the same venue as well.
I've seen SDFC play many times recently. I don't think you know what you're saying because from what I've seen SDFC has a lot to learn before beating a team like parsippany. Also another false statement you probably said other than what the gottsche parents pointed out is that players can only play on one team in state cup. That makes it impossible that parsippany used their A team players to play for the B team. Also what backs up my statement is what the guy said before about the parent from parsippany saying they will be bringing their A team against SDFC.
By the way I don't think their bad, I just don't think they are the team you're making them sound like. Is 2-1 victory over Staten Island seem like a score for the team you're making them sound like?
"Sdfc is actually a very good team and should beat parsippany easily. Parsippany used their first team Against tsf which which is why that game was so close and now they're using their b team against sdfc.""Only exciting game this year is going to be sdfc bs parsippany because those are the only 2 teams in the state worth watching now."Well, I see we've devolved back to stupidity here again. Too bad as this board was actually interesting to read for a while.
"So it looks like MF Black, PDA Rooney, Abbey Villa Barcelona, and North United are having a little tournament of their own this weekend..."Thanks for a worthwhile post mix in to the festering foolishness.
BTW, North Utd. have a player that's very tough to defend. I hope MF Black and Rooney fare well against them as this would a good thing for NJ.I can't say I know much about Abbey Villa other than they're from MA and lost to Happaugue last month. So I'm thinking our Jersey teams can handle them.
Some of these sdfc posts are outrageous but don't put them down as a team because some kid decided to start up a fight. Unless you guys have seen both parsippany and sdfc play in a game, you can't assume that sdfc won't win "based on their recent result." No doubt that in my mind parsippany is the favorite coming into the game but this is because I have watched both teams play and sdfc doesn't even look like they have a full bench. However, their is always an upset in state cup considering last years winners were mainland and DOL. so don't expect just because parsippany is he better team, they won't struggle.
A lot of kids post on this site which explains the juvenile comments.
Can anyone post their predictions on all games this weekend? Of course include edp, state cup, region 1, etc.
I'll limit my picks to Jersey teams:1-Apr / SJEB over Cherry Hill (NJ Cup)1-Apr / Princeton Orange over FC Copa (NJ Cup)1-Apr / Parsippany over SDFC (NJ Cup)2-Apr / Mt. Olive over Jersey Spartans (NJ Cup)2-Apr / CSA Newark over Arsenal Max (NJ Cup)2-Apr / Princeton Spurs over Delran (NJ Cup)3-Apr / NJ Force over Torpedoes (NJ Cup)3-Apr / MF Black over DOL (EDP)3-Apr / Montco over SDFC (EDP)3-Apr / Gottschee over MF Blue (EDP and NJ Cup?)
Now we say rankings mean nothing... I notice that when we pick outcomes of games we tend to rely heavily on rankings. In the above post, all except one higher-ranked team is picked to win, even when the teams seem fairly evenly matched (Copa vs Princeton, MF vs Gottschee, etc.). Maybe because they are our only real tool of assessing teams? It's not like we have watched all these teams play, our only knowledge of their success is their ranking. Do you think tournament directors do the same when creating flights? I realize I'm playing devil's advocate here, but just a thought to toss around.
I get what you're saying but let's be honest, some of the games that the guy mentioned will turn out that way he said they would such as DOL v. MF black. But games like MF blue v. Gottschee could go either way.
Those were my 10 picks and I can tell you that I didn't consult rankings to make them (although rankings likely played a big part in my "off the cuff" opinions).In reality, I expect to get about 6 out of the 10 right. So I am pretty confident there will be some rankings upsets.
SDFC Parsippany will be interesting to say the least... Especially with the fact that state cup is always incredibly unpredictable. It is not debatable that Parsippany is the favorite but like I said anything can happen. also, quite sure that it was the B team that should have beaten TSF and the A team is playing tomorrow.and if that is how Parsippany went about their state cup teams (players also cannot play for more than 1 team) then I think it is quite impressive that the white team put up such a good fight against TSF. they looked like a pretty decent side and deserved to win but sloppy play ended up giving the result to TSF. consistency will be key this season..
"... I think it is quite impressive that the white team put up such a good fight against TSF. they looked like a pretty decent side and deserved to win but sloppy play ended up giving the result to TSF."I have to disagree with you in this one. Parsippany scored the opening goal on a "wonder strike" and then conceded fairly soon there after as a result of an unfortunate defensive error. But I thought TSF had the better of the play from that point on and that Parsippany were hanging on for most of the match. PKs looked like their best chance to win.A stoppage time goal gave the game to TSF and I really don't think anyone who saw this should disagree that their win was deserved.But I would also commend the Parsippany team. They certainly gave TSF jut about all they could handle and could have advanced with a bit more luck.
With that said, I saw some of one of Parsippany Blue's games at the Jefferson Cup and was pretty impressed. I know it wasn't a top flight there, but they controlled the ball really well and looked very good to me.So I think SDFC will need to have a very good game to beat them in any manner other than PKs.
Let me put it this way. If you were to tell me the final score of this one will be 4-0, I would feel quite certain that the winner would have to be Parsippany.
I think using players' names is a NO NO here.
SJEB over Cherry Hill Copa over PrincetonNJ Cup)1-Apr / Parsippany over SDFC 2-Apr / Mt. Olive over Jersey Spartans 2-Apr / CSA Newark over Arsenal Max 2-Apr / Princeton Spurs over Delran 3-Apr / NJ Force over Torpedoes 3-Apr / MF Black over DOL 3-Apr / Sdfc over montco3-Apr / Mf blue over gotscheeMount olive over MonroeMainland over stallions Princeton and Statan island drawSta over easternPrinceton over massapequaNy elite over isaBrooklyn Italians over east meadow Everton over BrentwoodHota and spa drawIsa over BrentwoodSta over EvertonNy hota over massapequa Parsippany over east meadowPrinceton draw with eastern Beachside over Ac Connecticut Annandale over Logan BlackjacksPotomac over annendalePhillidelphia over dsc Logan over a3 cosmosCedar stars over arsenal MaximusStony brook over ginga Cedar stars Newark over fsa navyRoanoacas over vorgheesDol over toms riverPasco over delran
Well, maybe we can finally put this Parsippany A/B talk to and end when TSF and Parsippany Blue meet in the semis. If both teams aren't disposed of already. Match Fit will have something to say about Parsippany, and who knows if TSF will make it past the mighty Cedar Stars Newark team that rolled through the 17th flight at Annandale.
I think both Parsippany and TSF will have been disposed of by then, by MF Black and EB respectively. On the other side, a Gottschee vs Mainland semifinal seems likely.
Anyone know the final of score of sdfc vs psc.
The game was postponed to Monday, as was Copa vs Princeton.
Tsf has just been accepted into surf cup and Las Vegas mayor cup ending the debate and showing once and for all that we are the best team in this state.
I am a parent of Ironbound. We can clearly see that Parsippany has been setting a path. They went to Surf last year and now everyone is going to start following what they are doing. Go Ironbound!
You must be joking TSF! You are not even close to being the best team in the state. You have a high ranking because you enter a lot of tournaments. 3 in March. Did any other club do that? Your parents pay the highest fees to do this so in effect, you're buying your way to the top. I'm sure you won't win state cup. A lot of NJ teams can get accepted to Surf Cup. Pay to play, so wealthy clubs have the edge.
February 4, 2016 at 10:56 PM"Can't say I've caught a lot of TSF arrogance over the years. I mean, really, what could they possibly be arrogant about? They've been also-rans in this age group for as long as I can remember."Wow! What a difference a couple of months can make as TSF arrogance is no longer hard to come by.I commend the club for getting their team into top tournaments like the Surf Cup and LV Mayor's Cup. Of course this costs money but I don't blame people for having it.But before you "end the debate" I would suggest you wait to see how the team fares at these events (as well as the local ones). If I recall correctly, Parsippany made the semifinals in a 32 team flight at last summer's Surf Cup while MF Black won their group at the Jeff Cup and were finalists in a very tough flight at Disney.So getting into top tourneys is great and congrats (assuming the post is accurate). But I would suggest that some success out west would be a good thing to achieve before getting so caught up with yourselves.Great win against LAFC in Dallas. Too bad you guys couldn't get out of your group though.
Why are people complaining that we are a rich club. If we go to tournaments, other teams like ironbound are jealous that we go all these places. If you want to go to other tournaments, Don't complain when we go everywhere across the country. And name 1 team that's better than tsf in this state, pda no way, gotschee I don't think so, matchfit get out of town. We rule this state!
I'll limit my picks to Jersey teams:4 out of 4 so far!WINS:1-Apr / SJEB over Cherry Hill (NJ Cup)2-Apr / Princeton Spurs over Delran (NJ Cup)2-Apr / Mt. Olive over Jersey Spartans (NJ Cup)2-Apr / CSA Newark over Arsenal Max (NJ Cup)LOSSES:None yet.PENDING:3-Apr / NJ Force over Torpedoes (NJ Cup)3-Apr / MF Black over DOL (EDP)3-Apr / Montco over SDFC (EDP)3-Apr / Gottschee over MF Blue (EDP and NJ Cup?)4-Apr / Parsippany over SDFC (NJ Cup)TBA / Princeton Orange over FC Copa (NJ Cup)
"We rule this state!"I'm sure this is what all the TSF supporters were chanting as you were on the verge of extra time with Parsippany's B team two weeks ago! Wish I could have been there to hear it!
"And name 1 team that's better than tsf in this state, pda no way, gotschee I don't think so, matchfit get out of town."You really are a funny dude!As per GotSoccer, over the past year (give or take a couple of days) TSF has played and decisively beaten MF Black twice. They've played Rooney once and were beaten. They've played Gottchee 3 times (understanding Gottsche is actually the "Winner of play-in game B") and lost twice.TSF is a good team. But I'm sure many of those involved will them be disappointed to learn of this foolishly boastful effort of yours.But I appreciate the grins!
Nice to have an extra $10,000 a year to throw around. More for all the travel abroad trips. Keep pretending you're superstars TSF people, prancing around in your $400 uniform kits.. It gets you nowhere in the end. I guess that's why so many parents and coaches leave that place. They know it's all pretend.
TSF is a good team, but that boastful attitude is what has now made people hate that club. No ones saying you guys are bad, I don't know why you have to go around saying "We are the best and everyone else **** off". There is no best team in NJ, anyone can and will beat anyone on any given day.
A lot of people hate that club. The owner ,listens to parents all the time because he's only interested in profit. The squeaky wheel gets the grease there. Many good coaches have left because of this. I have seen bad players pushed up and good players kept down. They are more interested in profit than player development.
"Can't say I've caught a lot of TSF arrogance over the years. I mean, really, what could they possibly be arrogant about? They've been also-rans in this age group for as long as I can remember." Feb 4, 2016"And name 1 team that's better than tsf in this state, pda no way, gotschee I don't think so, matchfit get out of town. We rule this state!" April 3, 2016All it took was 2 months
We parsippany are the best team in the state we have The explosive Nick Kriak we could kill gotschee TSF and match fit anyway with our Stan we are truly the best team in the state no debate we guarentee a state cup win if Kriak stays healthy. Let us repeat GUARENTEE
Yes TSF did go to 3 tournaments in March while most other teams only played 2. They moved up 2 spots in the rankings so you can't really say they are buying their way to the top. I also believe that neither Surf Cup nor LV mayor cup accepted teams has been released. All these teams will have the opportunity to prove they are the best team in the state and arguing about it on here before any meaningful games have been played is pointless. The results will explain themselves and we will see where everyone stands come the end of the season.
In Stan we trust!!!
12:14 parsippany went to surf cup last year so there the best
"And name 1 team that's better than tsf in this state, pda no way, gotschee I don't think so, matchfit get out of town. We rule this state!"Keeps getting funnier. I hope everyone remembers this for every time TSF loses or is given quite a bit of trouble against teams like Parsippany's B team
Why are we talking about TSF when parsippany is clearly the best team in the state with no debate
when is parsippany vs sdfc now?
Ah Tsf is funny
Parsippany vs SDFC tomorrow at 630
SDFC with two 0-0 ties in a row..
"I defiantly see them making semi finals or finals at state cup."It would appear the MF Blue "defiantly" beat Gottschee in PKs today in the NJ Cup.
Wow, MF Blue over Gottschee. Was not expecting that. Knew they were a good team, didn't think they would have a shot against a proven team like Gottschee though. I don't care if its PKs, a win is a win. Is it now reasonable, even probable to think that MF could be in the finals of state cup? Next 3 matches are probably Nj force, DOL, and Mainland. I don't think any of these teams are better than Gottschee. MF Blue vs MF Black final?
on the note of a MF Blue vs MF Black final... what do people predict for the MF Black side of the bracket? definitely a possibility we could see both MF in final but could EB/Parsippany upset the chances of that
forgot to mention the almighty, best team in the country TSF ^
It is interesting that the left side of the bracket has both the NJ Cup and State Cup winners from last year yet seems to be weaker than the right side to me.MF Black, EB or Parsippany could get to the final. And so could TSF or maybe even CSA Newark.One never knows what will happen in the end as last year offers two cases in point. But I'm betting on the "right side" for the NJ Cup winner.
I mean I think that side of the bracket is tremendously harder than the other side. Really only 2 good teams left on that side (MF Blue and DOL) while the other side has EB, MF Black, Parsippany, SDFC, TSF. I think Parsippany and MF will play in that quarterfinal, and EB and TSF in the other qf. After that, it really could go any way. But in my (expert) opinion MF vs TSF and MF wins.
On another note, NJ Stallions got absolutely spanked by Mainland today. 7-0. That means that they have now lost 12 out of their last 13 games, not even against great opposition. What's up with them?
"But in my (expert) opinion MF vs TSF and MF wins."Interesting in that I noted earlier today the TSF has beaten MF Black twice in the last year. And the score was 3-0 on both occasions. So might TSF have MF Black's number?On the left side, I now see that MF Blue will get NJ Force next round.
How about that CSA U-16 team i heard they are packing heat, any thoughts?
Haven't seen CSA yet. Their results from last fall aren't great and they haven't really played a top team so far this spring.But if the claim that they are effectively the St. Benedict's HS team are true then a lot of us may be in for a surprise.
who does this CSA team play next
Csa play tsf next round in state cup.
They are a completely team from last year and they look very promising for this season. With key players from DoL, east Brunswick and some other recruits making their transfer to St. Benedicts the team shows much chemistry and can knock the ball around and break down teams. Their game vs TSF will be a great matchup and it will be hard to predict a winner
How many St. Benedict's students play soccer? Every CSA Newark team of high school players are all students there? That's probably about 100 players.
They are a relatively small HS, about 550 students.
I believe every team in St Benedict's (Frosh, JV, Varsity) has about 30 players each. A lot of players paying all that money, so their kid can sit on the bench!!!
So I guess u16 is their JV team.
Parsippany just beat sdfc 5-1
Doesn't the game start at 6:30? Nice try Parsippany boys!
Tsf just scrimmaged gotschee and won 3-2 in a close game. While I don't agree that tsf is the BEST team in the state, they have to be in the top 2.
Why are we supposed to believe the score of scrimmages? Especially after some TSF kids just popped on here and talked trash. Obviously you are a TSF-associated person, trying to talk yourself into believing that you're good.
Honestly enough with the tsf jealousy. If you want to be on this team, try out and see if you can get on but don't be rude and jealous because we're the best team in the state.
Hahaha... enough with this TSF talk. That last comment got a good little chuckle out of me. Results will show how good they are, and if they do well, I'll by all means call them a top-2 team in the state. Parsimony vs SDFC over by now, any news on how it went?
*Parsippany i meant
Parsippany 1-0 sdfc
Where did the match Fit blue team come from?
parsippany dispose of SDFC quite confidently."Sdfc is actually a very good team and should beat parsippany easily."-march 29, 2016
not the greatest game (parsippany vs sdfc). parsippany undoubtably the better side and sdfc gave absolutely no threats besides some throwins, but both teams ended up stooping down to the level of classlessness of the parents. I must say, I've been to a lot of youth soccer games and the sdfc parents were absolutely appalling and I am glad my son will not be playing them in future rounds of NJ Cup. obviously, the parsippany parents stabbed back, which was hard to blame, but the expression of frustration coming from sdfc ruined their entire game. they seemed to have no game plan whatsoever and completely lost everything after parsippany scored a nice goal. parsippany ended up playing much poorer in the second half but managed to contain a very aggressive sdfc quite well, besides the launching of throwins. sdfc ended up with a deserved red card after the constant unnecessary aggression. don't get me wrong, u16 games do get very intense, especially in state cup between two good teams, but i will never understand the disgusting behavior by many of those parents, particularly on the sidelines for sdfc, who should be very ashamed of themselves and really look at their lives a bit more before attending a YOUTH SOCCER GAME IN NEW JERSEY.
Parsippany and SDFC was hotly contested.In terms of "quality," I don't think SDFC managed to string 4 passes together at any point in the game.SDFC play some pretty ugly "soccer." But they are a tough matchup as they certainly do play with intensity.This one should have been a second round draw.
VERY hotly contested
I was going to leave the SDFC "supporters" behavior without comment. But since you brought it up...Yelling at referees is common. But yelling at the opposing teams players is really low rent.And yes, I think they managed to get the goat of some of the Parsippany "supporters" so the whole thing was unnecessarily unpleasant by the end.
after seeing SDFC for the first time it's hard to understand why they would want to play that kind of soccer. yes, the had great intensity but despite having some talented players, they could not pass the ball for anything. quite disappointing to see a coach (i am assuming the coach commands their way of play) allow that sort of play. some of their players seemed to just be "thugs" on the field and totally brought down any possibility of linking up with the good players. but anyway, good win by Parsippany!
always nice to have good, classy parents at youth soccer games! good job sdfc
"Sdfc is actually a very good team and should beat parsippany easily."hahahahahahhahahahaha
So I am an MF Blue parent who was at the Parsippany vs. SDFC game and I believe that Parsippany 100% deserved to win that game without a doubt. Parsippany completely dominated the first half and scored a very nice goal. Then in the second half held back and displayed some solid defense and just kept defending the monstrous long throw in that I thought was only used in High School soccer. SDFC didn't play the good soccer that I am sure they are capable of playing. They had some very good plays with the ball but it wasnt consistent enough to pull through with a win. The only thing that SDFC did consistently was curse and complain to the referee. Yes the referee wasn't very good but complaining just made you look like such a bad team. Now the last thing is the sportsmanship by the SDFC parents was just absolutely putrid and so ugly to listen too. So much disrespect to the opposing team's players and parents. Now I'm sure people will disagree with me but just know that this is what I believe if you believe something else thats great for you I dont really care im saying what i believe.Goodnight
I'll limit my picks to Jersey teams:7 out of 8 with two still awaiting results!WINS:1-Apr / SJEB over Cherry Hill (NJ Cup)2-Apr / Princeton Spurs over Delran (NJ Cup)2-Apr / Mt. Olive over Jersey Spartans (NJ Cup)2-Apr / CSA Newark over Arsenal Max (NJ Cup)3-Apr / NJ Force over Torpedoes (NJ Cup)3-Apr / Montco over SDFC (EDP)4-Apr / Parsippany over SDFC (NJ Cup)LOSSES:3-Apr / Gottschee over MF Blue (EDP and NJ Cup?)PENDING:3-Apr? / MF Black over DOL (EDP)5-Apr / Princeton Orange over FC Copa (NJ Cup) "In reality, I expect to get about 6 out of the 10 right."Considering my only loss so far was a draw that went to PKs, I'm pretty happy with my crystal ball!
"BTW, North Utd. have a player that's very tough to defend. I hope MF Black and Rooney fare well against them as this would a good thing for NJ.I can't say I know much about Abbey Villa other than they're from MA and lost to Happaugue last month. So I'm thinking our Jersey teams can handle them."Rooney got a draw with North Utd. in the Region 1 Champions League over the weekend and MF Black lost 1-0 to them. Rooney also beat MF Black 1-0 and they both crushed Abbey Villa by 4. Not too bad NJ!The curious result was that North Utd beat Abbey Villa by just 1 goal.Kind of an odd group in this one with a number of very good teams and then Abbey Villa and Happaugue tossed in.
Some parents really need to get a grip. They just add pressure and angst to stressed out kids playing the game they love and enjoy. You pay a lot of money for professional coaching so let the coach do his job and be supportive.
Can someone please explain what happened at the sdfc game and what specifically the parents did that was out of line?
sdfc parents were talking to parsippany players and screaming and cursing at refs after every play. players ended up doing the same which resulted in their red card. constantly complaining about throwins and freekicks. just really embarrassing stuff coming from grown men and women at their son's youth match. mocking other teams players talking to them or really getting involved with them whatsoever is out of line
With parsippany up 1-0, they were taking their time when it came to throws and corners which is what any team would do but the sdfc parents accused parsippany of cheating and told the players to start playing soccer and stop cheating. Said the same things to the ref and others. Overall just bad behavior out of adults who are at a youth soccer game. Red card was from a kid yelling explicits at the ref
"Red card was from a kid yelling explicits at the ref"Okay, this makes sense to me. I was surprised by the straight red at the time as I didn't think the foul was a sending off. But I know the ref had had a conversation with the same player earlier in the match (without giving him a card). So he probably should have known to stay in control and apparently wasn't able to do so.He definitely didn't exit quietly.
Not easy for kids not to yell explicits when they hear their parents yelling the same/worse things from the sidelines. Disappointing to see at a soccer game for 15/16 year olds.
Hate to break it to you but these comments about TSF are from some person who is not at all affiliated with TSF and we never said that we were the best team in the state and its some complete fraud sorry to ruin all the fun you guys were having
How could you possibly know that?
s0 what are the apparent lies about tsf?
cant believe sdfc beat parsippany so easily last night!
1-0 is a close score so nobody should be boasting that they won easily and time wasting isn't something to be proud of.
because we never even talked about us being the best in the state and if we thought we were we wouldn't do it over this blog
Conclusion tsf and parsippany best teams in the state. Tsf could smash any team 5-0 except for parsippany who we only beat 2-1.
ok...this once useful blog has gone to waste....now that the immature kids have found it!Kids....go do your homework or something constructive with your time.
That's so obviously not Anyone from TSF like no one would talk about Their own team like that it's just kinda funny how you guys all believe it.
1-0 isnt a close score but even from neutral eyes it was quite comfortably in favor of parsippany and you could bet on them outplaying that sdfc team any day. sdfc unexpectedly plays very poor soccer
The NJ Cup's "Sweet 16" is now set after Princeton Orange's win over FC Copa.If I had to pick the most competitive corner of the bracket at this point, I'd probably have to go to the upper right with EB, TSF and CSA (and Elizabeth YSC).Should be MF Black and Parsippany in the lower right.And I think we may see some upsets on the left side. I actually think NJ Force has a shot to get to the semifinals from the upper left and maybe even one of the Princeton teams from the lower left.
Round 2 of the NJ Cup kicks off at 7:30 tonight when DOL take on STA at Riverfront Park in Newark.Let's see how the parents behave at this one.
I can tell you that parents of DOL have respect for themselves and their children.
I think sdfc has made a bad name for themselves as a new club
"I can tell you that parents of DOL have respect for themselves and their children."I agree. But it's the refs and the other team's children I'm concerned about. I've been to a few DOL games in the past!
update on DOL vs STA?
Dol won on pks
I think the MF Blue/NJ Force winner will make it to the semis. And I won't be too shocked if it's NJ Force.
Instead of NJ Force, I could call them the old Howell Utd. just for those who have been watching this age group as long as I have!Can't say I'm picking them. Just that I won't be too surprised if they get past MF Blue and DOL.
And if they do, the final is not out of the question either (where they would lose to any one of 3 or 4 teams)
round of 16 predictions to move on in state cup and perhaps win it all?
"round of 16 predictions to move on in state cup and perhaps win it all?"The right side of the bracket is a strong favorite, but it's anybody's guess as to who will emerge. Despite all the banter on this board (much of it seems to be just an attempt to get someone else's goat), EB, TSF, Parsippany and Match Fit Black are all at a similar level and any of them could win it. That said, a few of the teams on the left side have a relatively easy path to the final, so I wouldn't discount one of them pulling the upset.But I think it will either be the Parsippany/MF Black winner or TSF.
Sdfc would win it all if the refs didn't go against our team.
Predictions for CSA vs TSF (home)? Two too teams
9:35Very funny!!! LMAO.
I predict Cedar Stars Newark will win. St. benedict's is a top notch HS program and now they've partnered with Cedar Stars and offer a residency program, attracting a lot of top talent. Even the mighty Red Bulls should watch out!
Just saw the NJYS State Cup (not to be confused with the NJ CUP) racket for the first time.Really seems like somebody doesn't like Gottschee. Not only did they draw MF Blue in the first round of the NJ Cup, but now they have NJ Force in the State Cup 1st round with the winner getting MF Black in the round of 16!The crazy part is that teams like STA Jackson Athletico, PDA Jinky and Princeton Spurs all get 1st round byes! And if STA Jackson Athletico (whoever they are?) can beat the Washington Utd/Aresnal Maximus winner in their first game they'll advance to the quarter finals!Horrendous bracketing here. Who the heck does this stuff?
For whatever GS rankings may be worth, the 13th ranked team in the State (Arsenal Maximus) will play the 70th ranked team in the State (Washington Utd) with the winner getting the 30th ranked team in the State (STA Jackson Athletico) in a round of 16 match.But in another bracket, the 7th ranked team in the State (Gottschee) will face the 12th ranked team in the State (NJ Force) to see who gets the #1 ranked team in the State (MF Black) in the round of 16.You can't make this kind of stuff up.
The big winner has to be Arsenal Maximus as it looks like just showing up for their first two matches punches their ticket to the quarter finals!
Can u provide a link
I just found it.https://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=51083&Gender=Boys&Age=16
It must be completely randomized. That's the only explanation
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