Poster above. Why does it have to be an EB parent or player?Don't you realize coaches or even parents from other team go watch games to see the outcome?Stop spreading rumors. EB will not break up.
I have no idea about what EB is up to. But based on what's been posted here, might their coach have decided to give some extra time to players who don't usually get it but have worked hard at training all season in a game that really meant nothing to them?If so, sounds like a decent thing to do to me.
Is TSF breaking up? Why?
I don't understand how a patriot parent would say they have to thank eb. That's why it has to be a eb person. And patriot wouldn't know whether or not the starters were on. The more important question is whether the coach gave up or the bench kids worked hard and deserved to start.
"Is TSF breaking up? Why?"I have no inside knowledge about anything going on at TSF. But rumors that players are leaving there along with the SDFC stuff has me wondering.
This is embarrassing to read on a public forum for 15 year old teams. If you don't agree with the coach perhaps request a team meeting with him and find out why he did what he did. Grumbling in the background doesn't benefit anyone.
I think the EB coach did the right thing. Everyone deserves to start once in a while. Every player should get his chance, Everyone is paying the same money. People are too obsessed with winning.
There's always a lot of players and coaches leaving at TSF.
Poster above who swears "it has to be an EB parent"...you're wrong!It obviously has not crossed your mind that it is possible that the Montco coaching staff or even a Montco parent who knows the EB team (because they already played them), could have been at the game to scout their next opponent.I'm not saying Montco did this, but it is feasible.1st place either goes to Montco or Patriots Red, so it isn't necessarily an EB parent.
That's a bit of a stretch since Montco just played Patriot three weeks ago. Why willing to take a one and a half hour drive on a weekend to scout a team just played? And have not heard from any Montco parent on this board with all the success they have had this year. It seems ludicrous that they would suddenly post about EB. More likely an embarrassed EB parent trying to divert the comment.
I personally don't understand why players from TSF would leave to go to SDFC. Honestly, I don't understand why anybody on any team that is already in a top league would leave to join SDFC. Yes, they are a top club with other great teams, but u16 seems a little late to be starting a brand new team. Even with a super team, they surely can't be placed in EDP first division purely based on expectations. Many "super teams" are known to fail and I think many teams would feel hard done by if SDFC get placed in EDP first division in their debut season. It'll be interesting to see how this situation is handled by players, parents, and the league itself.
Yeah, the SDFC thing is curious all right. The idea of "following the path" of the U16 Rangers seemed pretty brazen to me. Wouldn't they need to take this new group and set the time machine back about 5 years to do this?So could it be that SDFC is essentially a "rebranding" of TSF? If so, at least you get one more letter in your team name!Until I see the rumored Academy players who want to move to a club so they can play HS and will head to SDFC for this reason, I can't see how SDFC would be anything more that a mid table EDP team or, effectively, TSF.
Edp Cup this weekend.Any predictions?You Guys are finally going to see the two state champions compete against very competitive out of state teams!Going to be a good one!
They're only 60 min. games so I don't think they'll be great. I predict a lot of 0-0 scores.
From what I hear, there are a lot of acadamy kids who are going to sdfc which is why they will be so good. Why might an acadamy kid go, it says earlier in the blog that they would go because they don't play a lot. Sdfc will be a quality team, the kids will get to play high school with their friends and they will get a lot of playing time. When kids from tsf hear this, they think oh I want to be on a great team. Tsf is good but what's better than acadamy players so it starts with one kid leaving. But then multiple kids leave and now the team has split up. They got 3 tsf starting defenders, 2 of their best cm and possibly are getting a striker. (one cm is also moving so...) Then the best kids from stallions and gotschee and the other average teams say I'm better than my team so im leaving. When all of this comes together, the team because truly good. Then the bench kids from eb, dol, mf and parsippany say I'm tired of not getting time on the field. Maybe this new team will see as a better player. They don't but what sdfc will get is a great bench. That's the way that sdfc will become good. And sdfc has some of the best facilities around with their owner buying any usable space. They have the dome in Montclair but also have an indoor turf arena in Clifton. Outdoors, they also get grate facilities which makes it an envious club. Downsides? It might be naive and all it takes is one player to change their mind for the entire thing to fall apart. But I think that enough kids committed that this team will be a success in the future. But who cares about sdfc when Alex Morgan and the uswnt is on? Good luck to them
I just want to be sure I've got this right. Top players from "average" teams like Gottschee, Stallions and Parsippany all want to go to SDFC. And bench players from central Jersey clubs want to travel north so they can round out a strong bench for SDFC. These bench players are saying "I'm tired of not getting enough time closer to home so I want to travel before I ride the bench."BTW, there are a lot of Academy spots opening up at Red Bulls and PDA because half their teams are moving on to the greener pastures of SDFC!Do you have any idea of how stupid this all sounds?Enjoy Alex Morgan. She sounds like your best grip on reality.
But look at the bright side. You get to buy another new uniform and you'll already know everyone!SDTSFC sounds AWESOME!
I'm not sure exactly what the 10:46 poster was saying. But I think that their interpretation is better than the 1:35 poster. 10:46 says that bench kids from GOOD teams leave because they think the will get more playing time. If I was that kid, I know I would leave. They say that the kids THINK they will get playing time, even if it isn't true. I don't think the 1:35 poster fully read and contemplated what 10:46 was saying. However, good point by 1:35 that these kids leaving opens new acadamy spots. hOWEVEr, match fit is falling apart so those kids might fill up the open acadamy slots.
When you consider the fees that TSF wants, for players to be sitting on the bench every game is unreasonable. I'm paying for training and game time. How is a player supposed to develop if he never plays in games?
It is true that some of these big clubs are extremely expensive. TSF, PDA and Match Fit are all expensive because they are big clubs which everyone wants to go to. Then you have clubs like SDFC or Gotschee which are known clubs but don't cost all that much because they aren't as known as the first type. Finally, there is clubs like EB or Parsippany which are located within a town and are the cheapest. This doesn't reflect at all on the teams style or performance because all of these teams can beat each other whenever they want. But kids from TSF who pay $3000 a season to sit on the bench might get tired of that.
"How is a player supposed to develop if he never plays in games?"I've met a number of good coaches who claim that training is for development and games are for parents. But I think this is an easy pill to swallow if your kid gets a lot of game time and a hard one to stomach if he doesn't.
While Montco will still have what is now an apparently "lame duck" TSF team to deal with, they will play what looks to be the EDP League Championship match tomorrow evening against Patriot Red. Patriot Red have rebounded from a slow start in this league to put themselves is this enviable position and Montco have had a great spring. Should be a very good game and a deserving champ should be the result.
That's what coaches say as an excuse for not playing everyone. I will never believe that. I saw my child go from being a great, confident player at u12 to a very confused, crushed player with no confidence at u13 because the new coach didn't like him. Bottom line is playing time is just as important as training.
when there are influential parents who promise business to the club, their kid is treated like gold.
"I saw my child go from being a great, confident player at u12 to a very confused, crushed player with no confidence at u13 because the new coach didn't like him."This is a good point because not playing can really lower a kids confidence. There are some teams that have all good players and don't have a starting line-up (changes weekly). and while the best kids start every game, the average kids start 1 in every 2 or 3 games. When you don't start for a season worth of games, not only does your confidence drop, that reflects on you performance and then you play worse. This can lead to dirty looks from the top players (not always but occasionally) which can lower there confidence even more. I think that there are only 2 options for these kids. 1. If your coach dislikes you, switch to another team that will be happy to accept you or 2. Drop down from the top level and play on a less competitive team.
1. If your coach dislikes you, switch to another team that will be happy to accept youSmartest decision I ever made. My son was not getting a lot of playing time on his club (top 10 in state) but was better (in my opinion) than some of the kids on the field. I had him switch to another team over the summer where he got a fresh start with a new coach. Not only did his performcance improve once he became a starter but when we played the old team at a tournament, our new team won and my son played great. It is a lot of work to switch teams but if that is the best thing for your son, i say go for it bc it may work out.
Does any good coach believe that games are for parents? That's pretty absurd. Yhey should be thinking about their players,
Thanks for the advice Sean. My son is now on a new team where he starts and there are no delusional patents. He's gained back his confidence but I don't think that he'll ever be the player he could have been. Parents, if your child is a good player and sitting on the bench, get a new team. Rankings aren't important.
Congrats to Patriot Red on their 1-0 win over Montco to claim the EDP League Championship.
"Does any good coach believe that games are for parents? That's pretty absurd. Yhey should be thinking about their players, "I'm sure any good coach does a lot more to develop players during the 4-5 hours spent training each week as opposed to the hour or so those players get on the field in a game that weekend. So while the claim that games are for parents may be a bit of "coachspeak" to sooth the parents of those who get less game time than others, I understand their point.And the idea that coaches should be thinking about their players on not their parents is nice but rather impractical. Like it or not, high level club soccer is a business and parents are the paying customers.
When a coach sets up a two tier system from the very beginning, that's a problem. He says here are my starters. The subs are second class. They don't play unless my starters are missing. Even if my starters are exhausted and can't give 100%. Even if my subs deserve to play and will give 100%. Is that a good, fair coach? My son made the team. That says he's a good player. The coach used him and threw him off the team when he was finished with him. My son has emotional scars from that. Everyone on the team should be treated with respect. I don't see how that can be good coaching, good business or good moral behavior so I guess your comments say a lot about your club's integrity and ethics.
Soccer is a confidence game. All the training in the world doesn't matter if a player has no confidence. But it's just dirty business,
We parents need to be very involved when our sons try out for a new team. We need to communicate clearly with the coach. If offered a spot, we need to get a clear picture of the how the program will work and what role the coach sees for our son in it. Most good coaches will want to know why you're looking for a new team and what your son's experience has been in the past. They're not afraid to ask tough questions so we shouldn't be either. If a coach is truly enthused about adding your son to their roster, they will make this role clear. And if they see your son as a fill in bench player, they will be noncommittal as they won't want to say anything that will come back to bite them should you grow unhappy.Sorry, but unless you do all this and are flat out lied to by a coach, any "emotional scars" are your own fault.And as far as parents concluding that their bench players are more deserving of time than some of the players who get more of it, you're not alone. However, it's rare that the coach or anyone else involved agrees with you. You have to be honest with yourself about who your son is as a player before trying to find the right club/team for them.As far a "good morals" go, I thought we were talking about youth soccer.
I don't know what that parent knew but the responsibility of running and managing a team belongs to the coach of that team. At the end of the day, he's accountable for what happens on it. How is it good business to look after the some parents and not others? Aren't they all customers?
People have the wrong idea that being a bench player ruins confidence. Everybody tries to blame the coach or the other parents for their sons lack of playing time. But it's not always the coaches fault. Your say may not be good enough for the team. I used to live in Germany as a kid and when I played soccer there was times where I was not good enough to start. But instead of looking for an excuse, I would work harder. There is 2 scenarios, 1 is that your coach doesn't like I which case you should try going to another team but the second scenario is that your son is lazy, or possibly not good enough. There are 2 options when the latter situation fits your kid. 1. Your kid mopes and looks for an excuse and doesn't get better (or switches teams and gets the same playing time amount he got at the old club) 2. He says "what can I do to improve myself" and he gets better. It's that simple. American parents always have someone else to complain about but once in a while, accept that your son may not be good enough. And talking to the coach can't hurt. Ask him if there is any way your son can improve. Not only will he probably tell you but your son can actually get better. Kids who dont play sometimes become better because they always have something to prove. Kids who always start think they are the top dogs and can be lazy and still start. It doesn't work like that in college and really in HS. Make sure your son actually deserves to start before switching teams bc otherwise, you'll get the same result.
"People have the wrong idea..."AMEN!
"How is it good business to look after the some parents and not others? Aren't they all customers?"Yes, they are all customers. But some are VIP customers and others are not. Coaches want to develop players but also know that winning games is what keeps the business going.Did you ever decide to look for a new team for your son and focus on those who'd been losing a lot lately so as to enhance your son's chances for playing time? Nah, me either.
Thanks to all the youth soccer experts who know it all! One says, "It's just business." "One says "playing time is just to please parents." One says, "sitting on the bench does not ruin a player's confidence."
And yet another manages to add absolutely nothing to the conversation.Meanwhile, Mainland went to the EDP Spring Cup this past weekend and drew with Ironbound, lost to TSF and managed to beat "powerhouse" Smithtown Roma by a goal.So the argument that the State Championships this spring were anomalies gets even more support.
Dol got 2nd in their bracket with 3 1-1 ties against Pachuca, Dix Hills, and Delaware.
Okay. Fair enough.A very decent result for DOL in the top flight, drawing with the eventual Champs and traditional powerhouse in Dix Hills.So the argument that the State Championships this spring were anomalies gets a little less support.Touché!
Who In their right mind would say smith town Roma is a powerhouse?
That's called sarcasm!DOL deserve their current standing. To keep up with those top ranked teams just shows their state champ status is not a fluke. Could the outcome have been different had EB not played with 10 men most of the match?Not likely....... DOL is playing stronger soccer at the moment.
Saw DOL play at MSSL twice. Absolutely horrible excuse for soccer. D1 soccer? Not a D1 player in the bunch. Think I'm wrong? Then please get back to me with D1 signings from this team.There will be 3-4 of these from MF, EB, Gottschee, Parsippany and TSF. Let's see how many come from DOL or Mainland.
I watched DoL play Dix Hills in EDP cup. DoL is lucky to escape with draw. Dix Hills dominated the whole game and could have scored 3 or 4 goals in first half itself. But credit to DOL that they hung around and got a goal few mins before final whistle. My question is why DoL does well in tournaments but not in EDP league??
Like it or not, a win is a win...no matter how it's achieved.I agree that DOL do not play the prettiest soccer, but what they lack in quality, they make up with grit and aggressiveness. That style of play will ultimately come back and bite them in the end when their players are looked at by college coaches.They do have moments where they string a few passes, but I agree that they are not consistent in both league and tournament play.
Some of the games that Dol tied or lost in the league were never played. They just couldn't play them due to state cup and tournaments.
"Some of the games that Dol tied or lost in the league were never played. They just couldn't play them due to state cup and tournaments."What does this mean? that it is a reason or an excuse why they are not consistent in league and tournament plays? they could not reschedule the games? and how can you tie a game if it was 'never played'? wouldn't that be a loss? Also, if I remember correctly, the state cup games had to be played by a certain date, like about a month apart, so the teams arrange the date and time to play their game. And you certainly know the dates for a tournament well in advance, so I don't understand why they cannot reschedule the leagues games. So the statement above that they could not play the league games is about what?
Looks like SDFC is co-sponsoring a tournament at Randalls Island next month. Applied teams from NJ in this age group include EB,Logan, the two STA teams and the two FC Copa teams. Manhattan Villa is also on the list along with 3 teams from Florida, one from Texas and the reigning State Champs from Vermont.Registration was supposed to close on the 14th so I don't know if any other notable teams will be added. But even with what they already have, it should be a decent event.
"Like it or not, a win is a win...no matter how it's achieved."DOL can win all their games with this "gritty" style. But honestly what does that achieve? College coaches hate teams that play like that so they could go to every good tourney in the country but college coaches will get tired of seeing and above average kick and run team. It doesnt matter that they are 1 in the state or even 1 in the country, in the end, none of them will be able to accomplish their goal of playing D1 in college. And the sad thing is, these kids are technical enough that they shouldn't have to play the way they do. They can be aggressive but they still have 5 or 6 quality kids who could play a pretty style of soccer. Think about what happened to Marlboro. It was a kick and run team who consistently won. And there were technical kids on that team. But then they left because they realized that winning is not always as important as playing pretty. Everybody knows that story about the player that got recruited after his team lost 7-0 but they played really well. DOL better think about changing their style if they want some respect as a team in NJ
Who said college coaches hate teams like that? College coaches want to win and they care very little about pretty soccer.
what is going on with SDFC...
I heard that their are only 6 players committed to SDFC
Guess who's back. It's the anonymous source and while it hasn't checked this page in a while, it now has some important things to tell you. Sdfc is looking pretty good with many players (8 to 10) already committed. These players are of the top class with 5 from tsf and 2 from pda acadamy. More acadamy kids are expected to try out. My sources tell me that this team will compete in edp in the first division. It (the source) says that there will be 6 tournaments competing in. 2 in the fall/winter and then 4 in spring. Edp cup in fall, Disney cup in my winter, Manhattan, delco, edp and rider cup in spring. Rumour has it that over 100 people have tried out. Only 18 are expected to make it. As for tsf, the team may not be splitting up because other players are going there. So while the team won't split up, it will be much less competitive than it was before.
Sounds like the Rider Cup will be included with the hope of actually winning something.
i also thought it was weird that they were going to rider cup. shouldn't a good team like SDFC says there going to be go to better tourneys. this year, there was horrible teams at rider cup. go to a better tournament like state cup or something.
SDFC is a good club and I'm sure they'll put a good team together. The cost will be much less than PDA and TSF.
This just in: 4 red bulls kids have been cut. I know that at least 2 of them are now looking to play HS and club while the other 2 are looking for a good acadamy or a club team.
I don't think SDFC would do the Riders Cup. All SDFC teams do the NYC cup in July which is a competitive college showcase on Randall's Island.
I don't think it's fair for a new team to go right to the top flight but it happens based on the club's name. All TSF teams are in EDP whether they deserve it or not, Cedar Stars Newark teams were put right into EDP. Same with NJCSA teams. The list goes on and on. EDP will now take any team that pays.
While I remain skeptical about the chances of SDFC magically waving their wand to produce a new U16 "SUPER TEAM," I have no problem with a league flighting any team properly. If I was at EDP and a team entered the league next spring with a roster including a few recent RB Academy defectors mixed in with a good number of players with 1st Division EDP experience from current teams, I would think the top flight would be the appropriate place to put this group. The goal should be to build flights based on competitive balance and not on tenure. And it's not like there aren't some relegation candidates in the 1st Division at this point.I think it would be hard to sell parents on a new "top flight" team without being able to offer a "top flight" league as part of the program. But the tough part is that, once you've made this sale, you'd better be ready to deliver the goods.Yeah, I still think the SDFC thing is a failure waiting to happen. But I could be wrong and only time will tell.
Sorry to ramble, but here's one of my concerns about SDFC's real potential.If my son were about to leave one of the top Academies in the country so he could play for his HS and was looking for a club team to join as a result, would I look for a start up program with no track record in this age group or for a club with a proven program.I might very well be looking at SDFC in this case, but it would be at the U17 Rangers if I was.
I'd rather my son join a new team at SDFC than a team with 22 players on the roster. After one season, they'll have a track record.
It is fair that edp accepts theses good teams and puts them in the bracket because they perform. These new teams are all mid to top of the bracket. And the only people who are complaining are the teams that are average and now are in the second bracket. While sdfc might fail, the hype on this team says it deserves to be in the first bracket. Why would you let stallions and ironbound continue to get 6 or 7 points in an 8 game season. Let this new team have a chance. It has nothing to do with money because they're all paying the same. I feel like te only frustrated people are the ones who are worried that their team will be in the second bracket or worse because there are better teams. But news flash, if it's true that there are 4 or 5 acadamy kids on the new sdfc team, why shouldn't the be allowed to be in the First bracket. I think edp will be shacked up next year with multiple new teams comin in including sdfc, parsippany, mainland and teams leaving will be stallions, ironbound, possibly tsf and maybe patriot will go back to the south bracket. As for sdfc in the tourney over the summer, I'm not sure that the team will be formed yet.
"...the hype on this team says it deserves to be in the first bracket.""Hype means nothing. Show me the roster!"..if it's true that there are 4 or 5 acadamy kids on the new sdfc team..."This is really the question. Because if there are, then there are 4 or 5 parents who will have made a questionable decision.
If your about to be former Academy player is now looking for a club, you are used to traveling to training. So EB, MF, Parsippany, TSF, and even Gottschee are logical destinations.Nah, I'll take my son and his 3 Academy buddies to SDFC with the hype and hope. SDFC will provide a host of supporting players who are willing to watch our kids have all the fun while they pay the fees.If you can't smell how bad this idea stinks I can't help you.
Sdfc may be hype. But these kids are willing to take the risk. And if all of these tsf and pad kids go, it will be a good team.
TSF says kids get playing time to keep the "VIP" parents happy. Such BS. Everyone should go,
An incredible number of comments here about a team that doesn't even exist yet. And, should they ever come into existence, won't do so until next spring.I'm looking forward to more SDFC posts in the future. But am hoping you'll spare me until you've bought your new uniforms.
And the one who said they'd take their U16 Academy player to a U17 club team is the only comment on all this that made sense to me.
No the age thing doesn't work for me because if you play with an older team, scouts will look at those kids but not want to look at your kid until next year, and by that time, it will be too late.
I can see the scout's report now..."I saw a U17 team with a very impressive U16 player. I understand he's a former USSF Academy member but I ignored him because he may be entering just his sophomore year of HS and I am only interested in recruiting for our upcoming class. Of course, he may be entering his Junior year but I ignored him anyway as he's just a U16. I never look to the future and didn't even note this kid's name."You were kidding, right?
"Looks like SDFC is co-sponsoring a tournament at Randalls Island..."Well this one is starting to look less exciting than I thought. EB is still playing but Villa is not. And most of the interesting out-of-state teams are all in lower brackets.EB, Somers, Logan and Smithtown in one bracket. Levittown, FC Copa, Sachem and a team from Texas in the other.An EB vs. TX final could be fun though.
What is the name and date of the sdfc tournament you are referring to?
NYC Cup July 17-19
"NYC Cup July 17-19"http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=41137&Gender=Boys&Age=15
"An EB vs. TX final could be fun though."It's just a showcase, so that won't be happening. Separate flights.
@11.39What's your point?
"It's just a showcase, so that won't be happening. Separate flights. "My bad. Wow, not there's almost no appeal.And 11:39 was providing a link to the tournament site.
A college showcase is just what it says. That's important for kids at this age.
Looks like the Got Soccer State Rankings are a mess. SJEB is currently ranked 2nd having been credited with 8,136 points for winning the EDP Open Cup. But when you follow the link for this tournament it shows they lost in the very first round to Rancocas Valley? I guess no one's paying attention to GS rankings anymore, including GS.Meanwhile, mystery State Cup winners Mainland Utd. went on to the Regional Championships and definitely didn't embarrass themselves there. A 1 goal loss to Fewster and a 2 goal loss to a team from MA isn't that bad. And they even beat the #1 team from West Virginia. Good for you guys!And finally, here comes U16 folks! And why not start it off with some real TRAVEL soccer. Check out the last team in the U16 top flight the upcoming Surf Cup (in Group H)!https://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=44194&GroupID=421768&Gender=Boys&Age=16Ah...good luck Crew!
Looks like the crew won their first game at San Diego surf cup. Its hard to say what happened because nobody knows anything about their team.but anyway, hope they continue to do well and show what nj soccer is.
Well, looks like the beat an LA Galaxy team. I've never seen California teams play but I guessing the competition is pretty stiff.So yes, good for them!
Parsippany won their second game against a team from Arizona.GO NJ!
WOW! Parsippany won their group at the Surf Cup and then a quarter final as well. They're playing in the semi-final today!Nice job representing Jersey!
The next team parsippany plays is Marin FC who is currently 4 in the country on gotsoccer. If parsippany manages to win this game, it will put west coast soccer to shame. I have seen fewster and Arlington play before and they are very challenging teams so parsippany must bring their A game. Good luck.
Parsippany lost their semifinal in San Diego today. But they sure made a good run out there.With all due respect to DoL and Mainland, making the final four out of 32 teams in the top flight at one of the very top tournaments in the country is easily the most impressive accomplishment by any team in this age group this year. And it might even be the most impressive ever.Good job Parsippany!
On this website dailymotion, i saw some of the parsippany game against Corinthians which was the 3rd game and the winner moved on from the tournament. Parsippany played really well and while there was times when Corinthians had a non stop attack, 9 or 10 players were always working to get behind the ball. Then, I'm not sure, but a guest player who was really fast on the right side would get the ball for parsippany. I believe he scored the lone goal in the game but I'm not sure. The parsippany team had something to prove and you could tell by the way they always went into a tackle like they were professionals. Im sure it got all of the southern teams who are technical (like Eb) very frustrated. As for Marin, because they are from California north, my guess is it is a team like tsf or PDA Rooney with better players who can keep more possession. Those teams could've kept Posseion for the entire game to wear down parsippany until they made a mistake or lapse of concentration and gave up a goal or 2.
Any chance you can provide a link to the video you mentioned? I looked on dailymotion for it but had not luck. Thanks.
Too bad this season had to end but I would say that Parsippany receives around 2200 points for their semi finals run. This would put them into 4th in the rankings behind eb. Over the fall, DOL will lose 5000 points, SJEB will lose 10000, EB loses around 3000, Parsippany loses 6000 in November and another 2000 in December, PDA loses 3000 in August and another 4000 in January, TSF loses 3000 but supposedly is falling apart, MF loses around 2500, Blackjacks lose 1000, Ironbound lose 4000, and stallions lose 2500. This will put the rankings estimated as EB, PDA, TSF, MF, Blackjacks, DOL, Parsippany but thats without their surf cup points and finally stallions and Ironbound and SJEB. These are in no way guaranteed. Hope everyone has a good high school season. Bye for Now!
"And it might even be the most impressive ever."Didn't PDA Rooney go pretty far in the Nationals a few years ago? If so, that was probably more impressive. But Parsipanys Surf cup success is pretty big for NJ.
I just took a look at the (roughly) 2,000 GS points Parsippany got for the Surf Cup and it seems pretty low to me. The idea that making the semifinals at a big tournament like this could have such a small payoff seems wrong. It got me thinking about the way GS goes about awarding points and I came to the conclusion that this case uncovers a real flaw in their approach.Frequently top tournament flights will include just 8 teams. And if 5 of them are ranked high enough, the point value can be pretty high. So being the best of 8 teams usually results in a maximum point award and being 2nd out of 4 in your group will get you semifinalist points.But the top flight at the Surf Cup included not 8, but 32 teams. So it was like four 8 team tournaments that then carried on two additional rounds before determining a champion. Clearly it’s a lot harder to reach the semifinal level in a tournament like this than in an 8 team format. Yet the GS system has no provision to award teams for this.If the 4 teams in Parsippany’s group and the 4 from the other group that matched up against them in the quarter finals had played in an 8 team top flight together, the flight value would have been about 7,500. And as the “champion” of these 8 teams Parsippany would have earned about 4,000 more points than they did at the Surf Cup.So my point is that flight values should have some relationship to the number of teams in the flight to more accurately reflect the value of a team’s effort. 4,000 more points would push Parsippany up to #2 in NJ and, after going to San Diego and getting the results they got, that sounds like a much more accurate ranking for this team.
TSF is not falling apart.
Got Soccer Points are useless - who cares anyway.
I heard TSF players have to buy another expensive uniform for the new season. That place is such an endless money grab!
People look way too far into the rankings. For one thing, the rankings start off inaccurate because academy teams aren't ranked. Second, the rankings are always changing because some kids continue to switch teams. Its not like professional soccer where players can only be transferred for 2 or 3 months of the year. Kids can switch teams at any time (and do) and a team like SFL (millburn) had all their points even after the good kids left. This resulted with Millburn having some 20000 points but the quality of team who deserved 2000 points. Then, they went to the top bracket at EDP cup and lost every game 4-0 because they couldn't compete. Meanwhile, Stallions or some other average team won the second bracket after beating Millburn 2 weeks prior. While this was 3 years ago, it still happens today. But most importantly, the rankings don't even matter because most of these club soccer kids want to play in College, and Colleges couldn't care less about whether your team was 1 in the state or 100 in the state. If you are good, Coaches will notice you. And meanwhile, Den of lions points come from: Maps fall challenge, edp cup, edp league, state cup, mssl explosion cup and edp cup spring. How many of those tournaments sound prestigious to you? And, because Den of Lions barely leaves New Jersey, they can only get their name out so far. Now look at parsippany. 8000 less points but they get their points from surf cup (California), Super Y Finals (Florida), NPL Finals (North Carolina) and edp cup. While they aren't ranked as high, their players must have much more exposure because they travel around. Think about how many coaches must have been at their surf cup semi final match. And no, they don't aren't 7 in the region but I assure you that more kids will go play soccer in college from parsippany than from Den of Lions. And then there is TSF, who prides themselves on raising professionals. And while it may not look like TSF has done anything special, I believe that TSF is one of those clubs who invites their good kids to go to places like Brazil or Spain or England in hopes that they will become successful. SO just remember that rankings aren't everything and the next time your kid wins edp cup, make sure they know what else is out there
TSF or any other club sending kids to Spain is purely a money maker. They don't care about kids becoming professional. They're not making any money from that.
The whole story about Millburn and GS points actually makes the point. Yes, in this case a team that no longer merited top flighting continued to get it because old points had not yet expired. But it's a clear example of how a teams get into top flights or prestigious tournaments...with GS points!Go back to the last Disney Showcase field and find all the teams that didn't have a good GS standing at the time when compared to other teams from their state/region. I haven't looked myself but would be very surprised if there were any, barring a USSF Academy team or two.So like it or not, earning GS points and maintaining high state/region GS rankings continues to be a ticket to the places where the coaches you want to play in front of are watching. My guess is Parsippany's showing at Surf Cup will get them almost anywhere they want to go for at least a while (assuming the tournament director isn't incompetent). But due to their current point total they could get a second (or even lower) flight at a tournament with 8 team flights and a bunch of highly ranked entries. And at tournaments like these, coaches tend watch the higher flights play.
I do not believe that is necessarily the case. Yes, you need to be an average/above average team to make some of these tournaments but there are a few poor teams in these tournaments as well. Go look at some of the teams in the Dallas Cup and the Surf Cup. Pay your fees and get in. How do these weaker teams get in without the valuable GotSoccer Points? The main reason good teams go to these tournaments is because of the past reputation of the tournament itself - it's also the reason why weaker teams stay away - who wants to travel such a distance to get blown out.All soccer coaches know the reputation and quality of play at all these tournaments - they don't need GotSoccer Points to know that.And as far as College Coaches - go ask any of them and most will say they do not look at GotSoccer Points. Had a nice conversation with a D1 coach recently and he laughed when I asked him about GotSoccer Points. They are looking for the individual player, not the team - and if a kid has the attributes the school is looking for they will go see him play regardless of where his team is ranked.Has anyone else spoken to a college coach about GotSoccer? I'm curious to see what was said.
My son recently went to one of those college camps in south jersey and he said that when he asked one of the coaches about gotsoccer, they said something of the same "looking for individual talent" speech. With that said, if you look at the bottom brackets at edp cup or one of those average tournaments, you can see that those teams are ranked 50th in the state with some 500 points and some of those teams have 1 or 2 very good players. And some of those teams like Mainland, may actually have been good for a long time but never gained points. Its the same way for Parsippany: the first time I heard about them was when they got to the finals of some tournament at Fort Dix but the finals were rained out. I had no idea who they were are thought that they couldn't be any good due to their lack of got soccer points but clearly they were good enough to make it to the finals in one of these top brackets at EDP cup of whatever. My point is that while got soccer points are not important, if your team isn't going to these big tournaments, the kids on those teams may not get looked at by college coaches. It is highly unlikely that a good player (who could compete in the top bracket) that is playing in the bottom bracket for Central Jersey Spartans or Mount Olive will get looked at as much as a kid who players for East Brunswick, PDA or any of the other top teams in the state. Because if you look at the logistics, it is much more likely that a good player will be found in the top bracket and coaches know that. So in conclusion, while Gotsoccer shouldn't be considered the way for a kid to get into college for soccer, it can be an asset if used correctly.
If a kid is good he will be looked at regardless of rankings.To gain a good look by a college you need to attend that school's College ID Camp and then follow-up with the coach when you are playing in Tournaments regardless of your team's ranking. If the coach has interest, he will come look at you - again, regardless of ranking.College coaches are not going to walk around tournament fields in all parts of the country following top ranked teams in the hope of getting a kid to attend their college - not soccer anyway. Especially if you are not one of the notably top ranked players in a given area - those players will be catered to. The player needs to show interest in the school first in order to start the process - and a good College ID showing is even more important. Got Soccer Rankings are meaningless to coaches in that respect. From those who I have spoken with anyway.
Looking at what is written here.One must be careful of GotSoccer rankings as teams which play in more tournaments, naturally, have the opportunity to gain more points. PDA does not appear to play in as many tournaments as SJEB or EB and it does seem that both of those teams gained most of their current points from last year or won tournaments in a lower bracket at a few tournaments. Perhaps both of them are going the way of Millburn?
It's funny how different people get different stories. I have a boyhood friend who's a D3 coach and I asked him about College ID camps. When he heard about the high level tournaments my son has been playing in he told me not to bother with the ID camps. He said most of them were fundraising driven and that playing at top tournaments will get my son in front of the people who will matter.Not saying my guy is definitely right. Just commenting on how what sound like very good arguments can be made for polar opposite opinions when it comes to this subject.
"Go look at some of the teams in the Dallas Cup and the Surf Cup. Pay your fees and get in."I think there are some blowouts at the Dallas Cup because they go out of their way to take teams from different regions and countries. Seem they want a field that comes from everywhere. But by the time the groups stage is over I don't think there are anything but very strong teams that survive. And I can tell you that the vast majoiryt of teams that apply for this one are turned down. So I think your claim that teams buy their way in is way off base.Surf Cup has a very clear western (California) flavor for sure. But I just looked at the group stage scores and they looked extremely close in almost every game. So I didn't spot to many weak teams in this one at all.With the number of teams trying to get accepted to Dallas, Surf Cup and Disney, a claim that you only need to pay the fee to play sounds silly to me.
Getting into the big tournaments are hard. And they do use some acceptances based on ranking. For example, there was a team from Florida who went to surf cup and they were the only other team not from region 4 in the u16 area. So you would expect that after making all the effort to go to california, they would get put in the first bracket regardless of ranking. WRONG. They went into the second bracket which shows how competitive it is to get into these tournaments. While it may not be cheap once you are accepted, it is still hard just to be able to get in. According to San Diego website, 3 state cup champions and finalists were turned down because they weren't good enough so that shows how competitive these tournaments are. As for Dallas, there is a rumor that not as many college coaches go because there are so many international teams. And it makes sense. Why would a coach go to see kids from England or Mexico when they can go to Disney or Surf and see all of the kids.
Some of the college Id camps may be a scam, but some of them can actually be very important. There are so many teams at tournaments and so many people the coaches have to see that it is hard to get noticed. or at least harder than going to an id camp. because those camps never have more than 500-600 kids and you're bound to have the coach you want to see you play look at you at least once.
I believe ID Camps for individual colleges are beneficial. That way the coach of that particular college can train/instruct to his specificity and see who may fit. The ones where they say 50 coaches will be there are a waste and certainly a money grab.
"There are so many teams at tournaments and so many people the coaches have to see that it is hard to get noticed. or at least harder than going to an id camp. because those camps never have more than 500-600 kids"500-600? I would think it would be awfully hard to get noticed amongst an army of this size.If a coach attends a high level tournament and focusses on one age group due to recruiting needs, he can probably see a dozen games over a two day period. Assuming he sees some teams twice, I'd guess that 16-18 teams may get a chance to show what they'd got. So the total number of players might be 180 or less and that includes the substitutes. Seems to me that getting noticed in this type of environment while playing competitive matches would be a much better way than with wearing #526.
"And it makes sense. Why would a coach go to see kids from England or Mexico when they can go to Disney or Surf and see all of the kids."I'd agree this makes sense to some degree. But there are still a bunch of outstanding American teams at Dallas. And besides, what would prevent an American College coach from recruiting players from foreign countries? My college team had a bunch of players from England and Ireland many years ago.
Funny how US college coaches love to get foreign players (offering them full scholarships). They know that other countries have better player development
Last week I met a recent college grad from a well known NJ school who played soccer there. He was from Columbia and had a free ride.College coaches want the best players they can find and don't care where the come from,
I should add that this young man I met was an impressive kid and I am sure he made his school very happy that they'd managed to find him!I haven't seen him play but something tells me he's pretty good!
Been extremely quiet in here.Any movements/rumors/break-ups?
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