Saturday, March 28, 2015

U15B - Are you ready for some football?

The U15 boys are now in high school and changing as quickly as the team rosters.

Many teams have new coaches, new leagues and new competition that spans several states.

High school soccer, club team, academy team.

Buckle up for an exciting ride.

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Anonymous said...

Just took a look at last year's NJ Cup bracket and learned that EB played Parsippany in the 2nd round and went through on PKs.

EB went on the beat SFL 2-0, Gottschee 2-1 and then MF 2-0 to win the tournament.

So would it be fair to say that Parsippany was their toughest opponent last year?

Anonymous said...

Last match between parsippany and eb:
1st game of edp cup spring showcase
Result: parsippany 1-0 win

Anonymous said...

parsippany most likely was their toughest state cup game last year but anything happens with penalty shootouts. I wouldn't base predictions for eb vs parsippany on previous results though. it's at a different field, different weather conditions, different players being injured or unavailable. should make a great match though

Anonymous said...

with EB, parsippany, MF, DoL left... what do people think for semis/finals

Anonymous said...

"I wouldn't base predictions for eb vs parsippany on previous results though."

Yet some are predicting a Parsipanny win over EB simply because they won a close game in this past MSSL tournament?

Anything can happen!

These are evenly matched teams.

Anonymous said...

"Yet some are predicting a Parsipanny win over EB simply because they won a close game in this past MSSL tournament?"

People like to make predictions cause it's fun to see if their right. So basing one off the result of a recent game is as good a way of going about this as any other method.

Teams change over time, but if the last two meetings for these two are any indication, it should be a very close game.

Half the predictors will claim to have known all along and the other half will probably blame the ref for getting it wrong.

This is an anonymous message board so it's all good.

Anonymous said...

The teams do seem even and it will be a close encounter. The last match went in favor of Parsippany but anything can happen.

But if we are looking at results, Parsippany is coming off a big win against Stallions, who are a decent team, while EB are coming off just a 1-0 win over Westfield and loss to PDA.

So my prediction... Parsippany to play MF finals. Anyone else

Anonymous said...

I saw the Parsippany/Stallions game and, while Parsippany were clearly the better team, I think the score is a little misleading. Stallions should have scored at least 2 and, with the missed PK considered, the game felt like a 5-2 result.

I post this only because when I see a team was shut out I wonder if they ever made any chances for themselves. Stallions did, but then kicked them right at the keeper.

Anonymous said...

Not much of a difference between 5-2 and 4-0. Kicking the ball right at the keeper just shows Stallions cannot finish or Parsippany keeper was just good. Or both... so no, the score is not very misleading. Parsippany deserved a 3 to 4 goal victory.

Anonymous said...

I guess we just disagree. Regardless of the final margin, I see a big difference in a game where a team is dominated to the point where they can't muster a single good opportunity from one where they manage to create a number of clear chances that should have been finished. In one case there's disappointment when the chances are squandered while in the other there's just no hope. I'd rather be disappointed than hopeless.

Anonymous said...

Easy to make predictions once the field has been narrowed down to just a few teams.

You want a real prediction? FSA will win Delco!

Anonymous said...

If it's easy to make predictions then what will happen in state cup? A lot of people already predicted this at the beginning.

Anonymous said...

April 26, 2015 at 8:24 PM
"Finals: PArsippany vs NJ FORCE: parisppany (you don't upset two quality teams)"

I went back through the posts here and this is the only one I could find that predicts an actual winner of the NJ Cup.

So I'd have to disagree that "A lot of people already predicted this at the beginning."

I've picked a winner at Delco 2 weeks before the first game will be kicked off.

Anonymous said...

You're right. No predictions for the winner. But people have said EB, Parsippany, and MF but not made any "real prediction" for final. Difficult to say.

Anonymous said...

Delco schedules have been posted.

Anonymous said...

To be clear with regards to the Parsippany/Stallions game. The game was indeed closer than the final score showed. Yes, the Stallions have difficulty finishing however it should be noted that the game was a 0-0 game through the 30th minute. The Stallions coach made a wholesale sub of 5-6 bench players and two goals were scored within minutes of that change. Second half similar with the added fact that the Stallions went to 3 in the back at the same time as the bench sub and then the next two goals were scored. Of course the deep bench is critical at this level so it's not an excuse but possibly some insight into what I saw. Also from what I heard, the Stallions Captain playmaker was injured in their previous game with a broken arm. Obviously hard for them to make an adjustment.

Anonymous said...

NJ Cup semis today!

EB vs Parsippany
MF vs DOL

And in EDP, Gottschee takes on Montco

Enjoy the games (and don't yell at the refs)!

Anonymous said...

With regard to the comment above- the subs, their captain, 3 in the back- they all may be reasonable excuses but a 4-0 score makes me think that parsippany is a world better than stallions. Stallions could be good but you don't lose 4-0 unless you truly are a worse team.

Anonymous said...

Popped over to watch St Cup. EB takes a semi 3-0 over Parsipp. A lopsided affair which should have been more if not for 3 hit crossbars and 2 excellent saves by the Crew keeper. EB had very good ball movement and did not allow the physical play of the Crew to affect them. Parsipp had perhaps 2 shots on goal from about 30 yards out which sailed about 10 yards over the top. It was a dominating performance.

Anonymous said...

DOL beat Matchfit 1-0

Anonymous said...

Interesting about eb massacre over parsippany:
Eb looked liked they had some guest players who used to play for them. Their attack looked liked it came mostly from two kids who I believe left to go to philly union. I don't know if it was those kids or if they are even on union anymore but if they are, that seems unfair. Still no excuse for parsippany.

Anonymous said...

Yes I am from EB.

We have no guest players!

You're not allowed guest players.

The players you did not recognize were the subs!

Stop spreading rumors.

Anonymous said...

DOL beat Matchfit 1-0

Anonymous said...

No guest players on EB.

Same team.

Insulting to even suggest that. Simply because YOU did not recognize subs or players added this year?

Anonymous said...

Sour grapes!

Anonymous said...

I don't see anything insulting about that at all... I think that comment was just saying that that some of the players were good and asking if they were the ones that went to play for Union

Anonymous said...

No guests in State Cup games. Learn the rules.

Anonymous said...

Why would it be them?

Philly Union season has not ended.

What obviously is happening is that they are comparing it against the MSSL Tournament game which took place a few weeks ago.

EB played without 4 of the normal starters.

They were all their today.

Anonymous said...

EB has the state cup

Anonymous said...

Any word on the the play in the MF DOL game?

Anonymous said...

May 9, 2015 at 4:07 PM
May 9, 2015 at 4:43 PM
May 9, 2015 at 5:51 PM
May 9, 2015 at 6:09 PM
May 9, 2015 at 6:16 PM
May 9, 2015 at 6:27 PM
May 9, 2015 at 8:59 PM

Why do I suspect these posts are all from the same guy?

FOCUS!!!

Anonymous said...

Montco beat Gottschee in EDP today. So with consecutive losses, Gottschee now looks like an EDP also-ran.

Montco, on the other hand, looks like one of the favorites to win this league.

Here's an update on the Points Dropped Standings:

1 MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK   : 2 ( 4 )
2 FC MONTCO DIE MANNSCHAFT   : 3 ( 5 )
3 PDA ROONEY   : 5 ( 5 )
4 TSF ACADEMY 99/00B   : 6 ( 4 )
5 FC GOTTSCHEE ROMA '99   : 6 ( 4 )
6 PATRIOT FC RED   : 7 ( 6 )
7 EAST BRUNSWICK UNITED FC   : 9 ( 5 )
8 IRONBOUND SC NAVIGATORS   : 9 ( 3 )
9 DELAWARE RUSH SC 99 BOYS   : 11 ( 4 )
10 NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY MADRID   : 14 ( 6 )

Anonymous said...

"No guest players or loan players are allowed, unless they are officially added to a team's valid US Club Soccer roster and their names are imprinted on this roster."

The above is the rule as written for the NJ Cup regarding guest players. As I'm not familiar with requirements of US Club Soccer rosters, can anyone tell me if you can "officially" add a guest to one of these?

Based on the way this rule is written, it would seem that you can. Because if you can't, there'd be no good reason to include the exception that begins with "unless..."

Anonymous said...

Can players be dual registered with two US Club Soccer members at the same time?
Only in limited circumstances, such as between an academy and club, or a league select team, with the permission of the club. In all cases, however, the player’s first commitment should be with his club.

Can players be loaned from one US Club Soccer member to another?
Yes, for a certain competition, with the completion of a player loan form that’s available in the Members Area of the website.

It seems it is permissible although I highly doubt, with the risk of an injury, an Academy would allow a double-carding for one of their own players to another organization besides their own Club teams.

Anonymous said...

So EB had kids from academy?

Anonymous said...

EB never had a chance.

EB player red carded in 18th minute.

EB getting killed 4-0.

Looks like there will be a new state cup champ.

Anonymous said...

Dol beat EB 5-0 in state finals looks like you all
Predicted wrong!!

Anonymous said...

No academy players will have helped today.

DOL was strong, fast, physical and hungry. Controlled all game.

In the second half EB substituted most of team and goal tender but did not help them.

Great Job DOL

Anonymous said...

First off, congrats to DoL.

But with that said, there's no way the DoL team I saw play at the MSSL tournament could have possibly managed to destroy EB.

Some funny times in this age group for sure.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the clear explanation on permissible loaning of players.

Anonymous said...

Well done DOL!

You played a clean game and played better than us today.

You deserved the win!

Anonymous said...

4:49PM Poster you may be wrong.

EB played with 10 men for over 60 minutes and could not hold the DOL attack.

So playing one man down definitely made this a very lopsided game against a very hungry DOL team,

Can't take that away from them.

Yes, unfortunate that EB lost a key starter and had to play with 10 men, but that's soccer!

Anonymous said...

5:39 PM poster,

Sorry, but the DoL team I saw at MSSL couldn't have beat a 9 man EB team.

Very strange indeed.

Anonymous said...

If they cheated, then it's a pretty desperate move.

If they did, not a good lesson to teach those boys.

But unless there's definitive proof, one can only speculate.

Anonymous said...

Dol always comes clutch in the nj cup but they don't win in east tournaments

Anonymous said...

DoL is not like gottschee they wouldn't cheat

Anonymous said...

Yes indeed the red card made a big difference but DOL was winning 2-0 before the red card... Also could have been 3-0 if it wasn't for a dissallowed early goal.


Anonymous said...

Wrong 1-0 before the red card.

And the goal was disallowed because the player was three feet offsides.

Nonetheless, the red card affected the outcome the most.

Anonymous said...

Let me be sure I've got this right.

A team that just lost to TSF in the goofy State Cup and has other recent losses to "traditional powerhouses" like Northport Cow Harbor and St, Thomas Raiders is the same team that also recently crushed Roncocas Valley 7-0 and and today blasted East Brunswick, right?

Hmmm, sounds like a very consistent team.

C'mon!

Anonymous said...

Shame on them if they cheated!

If they want it that bad, let them have it.

Great life lesson they're teaching those kids....yes they are still kids.

But until it can be proven, it's speculation.

Anonymous said...

The 5-0 win is deceptive because it happened with a red card involved so early on in the game.

However, if the DOL played fair with their own players, they deserve the win.

Not their fault the EB kid lost his head and got carded to give DOL the advantage.

Anonymous said...

Wrong it was 2-0 before the red card... And in regards to you guys thinking DOL cheated, they didn't! they used the same kids in the MSSL Tournament as they did in this state cup. They haven't added any players to their roster.


In the MSSL tournament it was very windy conditions to play in and DOL had two starters injured!!

Also, they haven't lost to Northport Cow Harbor... They had to rescheduled that game due to state cup games. A 1-0 loss may have been a forfeit or a misunderstanding.

Anonymous said...

I just watched the Red Bulls beat NYFC despite playing down a man for the final hour of the match.

Soccer isn't ice hockey. Losing a player is not a good thing, but it doesn't turn the game into an endless "power play" either. Depending on when a player is sent off, it's typically worth no more that a goal or two (if any) to the opponent.

It certainly isn't reason for an otherwise competitive team to get pasted by a 5-0 score.

So DOL is suddenly at least 3 goals better than EB, who are 3 goals better than Parsippany, who are 4 goals better than Stallions. And this is all happening between teams who we would normally expect to play reasonably competitive matches.

Sorry, but the NJ Cup has been a very curious tournament this year.

Anonymous said...

Maybe, but it doesn't necessarily mean foul play.

In any given game there are key player injuries that can throw a team off their normal way of playing. Like it or not, that is the reality.

And the fact that EB lost 5-0 with one man down does not mean the DOL coach didn't seize the opportunity to turn up the attack to catch EB while on their heels.

I know I would have done that against a tough opponent.

The proof will be when they play again in the future.

Last year, EB lost to DOL in PKs in NJYS State Cup, so it probably would have been a closer match had they not lost a man.

Who knows......so many variables.

Anonymous said...

Some of these comments are rediculous. Dol is not 5 goals better than eb who is 3 goals better than parsippany and etc. it shows that teams are still inconsistent and Any given day can be a different score. Look at eb state cup- squeaked by Westfield 2-1 in the quarters before smashing Parsipanny (who was coming off a massive win against stallions) 3-0. Then they lost 5-0 to a team who looked like they should've been in the third bracket at edp cup. What this shows is that all the teams in nj can compete with each other and while the quality may not be as high as it once was(acadamy) there has been no loss of competetetiveness.

Anonymous said...

That's why the rankings really mean nothing. I don't think many people predicted DoL to win the whole thing but goes to show that any of these top ranked teams in the state can compete well against one another and results can go either way. Any of them could have won NJ Cup and I'm sure this level of competitiveness will remain for a while.

Anonymous said...

It is said On Any Given Day

Maybe it would have been a tighter game if the EB player didn't receive a card. He appeared to be their best midfielder. They did have a few chances early in the game but as the game progressed they looked worn down and their back third of the field looked out of sorts. The back line and mid field allowed much penetration inside the 18 and the tender even let one or two go through his hands. Maybe it was a let down after the previous win or they just ran out of steam being 10 men down. But Dol kept the pressure on the entire game so I believe it was a combination of all three.

SDFC said...

For 2015-16 Soccer Domain Football Club (SDFC) is creating a new u16 team for competition and showcasing. Since it's inception in 2009, SDFC (www.sdfc.us) has a rich tradition of preparing it's players (and families) for college through development and support on and off the field. We feel that this age group provides an opportunity to follow the path set by the SDFC Gauchos (high school class of 2014) and currently with the SDFC Rangers (high school class of 2017) who are currently ranked number 2 in Region 1 & number 1 in New Jersey, and third Nationally according to Gotsoccer.

We will be hosting our first tryout on Thursday May 21st (8-9:30pm) at Newark Academy, Livingston.

SDFC has identified Gary Adair as the potential coach for this age group. At SDFC, Gary holds the NSCAA Premier Diploma and a USSF National ‘A’ License and currently works with the u18 Force team and the u16 Rangers. The Rangers are currently regarded as a top National level team and have already qualify for the USYS National Championships in Tulsa, Oklahoma this summer. Apart from his SDFC work, Gary is the Assistant Head Coach at Manhattan College (Division 1 School - MAAC).

For further information, please email kieran@sdfc.us

Anonymous said...

"...it shows that teams are still inconsistent..."

I'm can't agree. In fact, this past weekend's results are a stark departure from what has been an extremely consistent trend for this age group.

Since these boys turned U15, Got Soccer has posted results of 23 different games in which any two of NJ's current top 8 have played against each other. In 19 of these games the margin of victory has been 2 goals or less. In two others there was a 3 goal difference (one of these being EB's win over Pasippany on Saturday). And in the remaining 2 games, the difference was a whopping 5 goals. So tightly played matches have been remarkably consistent for all of these teams and 5 goal slaughters are clear outliers.

BTW the two 5 goal slaughters are particularly curious as a team that DOL effectively drew with the week before they slaughtered EB had been slaughtered by EB the week before that. Sorry, but that's peculiar for sure.

Anonymous said...

One item no one mentioned is why the NJ Cup allows weeks between games leading up to the final weekend where the competition is less than adequare in most cases. And then have the finalists play back to back days for semis and final. Would like to see both teams well rested, injury free and at their best since they are playing for a championship of the state. Seems the road favors bigger, stronger teams if you can make it to the finals.
Thoughts?

Anonymous said...

Once again, it's al speculation unless someone has definitive proof and is willing to lodge a complaint.

Also, I don't see any record of EB even playing DOL a week before.

What are you referring to?

Anonymous said...

I think the point was trying to be made that DOL plays very average soccer during the course of the year and then miraculously tears it up in the state cuo. Tying NJ force 0-0 which eb beat 6-1 a week before and then all of a sudden they beat MF and then demolishes eb.

Anonymous said...

True...great point!

It is very strange. But as a previous poster said, if their coaching staff is stooping to that level, that's a hell of a lesson they're teaching those kids.

Living a dream that they're better than they really are.

Anonymous said...

"And then have the finalists play back to back days for semis and final."

I think this is an interesting point. But I'm not sure it's all that different from the schedules these teams typically play at this time of the year when trying to schedule both State Cup and league games can frequently result in 2 games over a weekend.

What was really crazy was years ago when the NJ Cup played both the semis and the final on the same day. That was plain dumb so I'll give them credit for now allowing the finalists to get a night sleep first.

Anonymous said...

"Tying NJ force 0-0 which eb beat 6-1 a week before and then all of a sudden they beat MF and then demolishes eb."

Thanks for clarifying. The "effective draw" was a reference to DOL's PK win in the quarter finals.

Anonymous said...

not possible to get best quality soccer from teams that have to go all out two days in a row. Or as previous poster said, they used to do it in the same day. ridiculous

Anonymous said...

The one thing I hate about NJ cup finals weekend is the poor field quality. When you cant move the ball on the ground, the games turn into long passes kick and run HS type games, where physically stronger teams will have an edge. Why cant they rent tuckhoe farm or PDA grounds.

Anonymous said...

...the poor field quality..."

I didn't think the fields at Cross Farm Park were that bad at all. The grass was too long for sure, but the fields themselves were okay (I thought).

I suppose it's hard to find a venue that can offer great fields for so many games. Yes, Tuckahoe can, But I have no idea at what cost.

In the end, I thought the fields were at least reasonable and wouldn't blame strange results on the conditions.

What? No whining about the referees? I thought they were pretty good too so maybe I just like everything?

Anonymous said...

And even though I had to park way in the back, I thought they did a decent job of this tot considering what they had to work with.

Perhaps I'm just easy to please?

Anonymous said...

Not terrible fields... but conditions could certainly be better considering the "best teams" in the state are playing each other and the poor standard of fields does decreases quality of play and makes it more of a "physicality game". Definitely not as nice to watch, for anyone.

So yes, the poor field quality is the worst part of state cup.

Anonymous said...

Njys finals this weekend? Predictions

Anonymous said...

Rooney.

Anonymous said...

I wonder why Rooney is not showing up to Delco. Does PDA not care about the rankings?

Anonymous said...

They probably care less about the rankings than others as they don't need them to sell their club to parents.

And, like all teams, I'm sure they have a budget that is set at the beginning of the year and covers their plans. This doesn't seem to include any of the "Big" tournaments (Jeff Cup/Annandale, EDP Cups, Spirit Utd., Delco, etc.) But they've already played 15 times this spring so it's not like they don't schedule games.

Anonymous said...

Where would Rooney be ranked when they win njys

Anonymous said...

I'm guessing that the flight value for the NJYS State Cup is about 8,000. And if that's right, I think either Rooney or TSF would move up to #2 or #3 should they win it. I don't think they can get to #1 with a win here though.

Anonymous said...

Okay, so much for TSF's assent in the rankings as they lost their NJYS semifinal to Mainland today?

Rooney advanced to the final with a win over Logan. But as Mainland beat Jinky earlier in this tournament, maybe they can beat all the PDA teams they come across.

Anonymous said...

have PDA won NYJS?

Anonymous said...

I heard PDA lost.

Anonymous said...

Looks like Mainland, a team no one's heard of and who has never beaten any team of note until yesterday, has now defeated PDA Rooney to win the NJYS State Cup.

These two State Championships have been nothing short of weird.

Congrats to Mainland, whoever you are!

Michael Murray said...
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Anonymous said...

Karma.

Anonymous said...

karma for what

Anonymous said...

Mainland and Den of Lions state champs this year.. bigger teams not quite performing

Anonymous said...

We played Mainland earlier this year, very strong and well balanced team.

Anonymous said...

This shows that got soccer rankings are unreliable. DOL and Mainland are two quality teams that don't enter lots of tournaments trying to improve their ranking,

Anonymous said...

"DoL is not like gottschee they wouldn't cheat"

How do you know that?


"Dol always comes clutch in the nj cup but they don't win in east tournaments"

"I think the point was trying to be made that DOL plays very average soccer during the course of the year and then miraculously tears it up in the state cuo. Tying NJ force 0-0 which eb beat 6-1 a week before and then all of a sudden they beat MF and then demolishes eb."


Yes, all speculation until you can provide proof ...

Anonymous said...

Why can't you guys just accept that DOL and Mainland are two quality teams that deserve to win their state cups instead of making excuses as to why your team didn't win!!


Anonymous said...

"Yes, all speculation until you can provide proof ..."

You are absolutely correct. It is nothing but speculation.

BTW, you do realize this is an anonymous message board where speculation is at least half the point, right?

Anonymous said...

"Why can't you guys just accept that DOL and Mainland are two quality teams that deserve to win their state cups instead of making excuses as to why your team didn't win!! "

Here's a thought. Show me some prior results from these teams that would have lead to any outsider to think they had even a chance to win a State Championship this spring. Yeah, I didn't think so.

A very weird spring. But definitely an interesting one.

Anonymous said...

Great to job to both teams. At the end of the day it does not matter who they beat in the regular season, in the state cup they beat all of you. That is soccer for you.

Anonymous said...

yes....let it go!

We lost fair and square....until proven otherwise.

Anonymous said...

It is time to let it go, after one more point.

Take a look at the familiar Region 1 states. Teams that won State Championships this spring include FSA (CT), Dix Hills (NYE), LDC (PAE), Delaware Rush (DE) and Fewster (MD). These teams are all very familiar to "top flight" NJ teams as they've been squaring off against them in the top flights of top tournaments for years now.

Now lets take a look at the current NJ State Champions. Don't kid yourself folks. Nobody at FSA, Dix Hills, LDC, Delaware Rush or Fewster have ever heard of them.

Weird spring. Time to move on.

Anonymous said...

Boo Hoo!

There are new players in town, so let's see if they can hang with the big boys.

DOL proved throughout the last year that they weren't the same team who won the NJ State Cup last year.

If teams are beefing up their rosters with guest players to compete in state cup tournaments, perhaps the others should do the same?

Anonymous said...

teams should not beef up their rosters for state cup because that's called cheating... example: Gottschee.

Anonymous said...

What do people think for NJ teams in Delco cup

Anonymous said...

No, "beefing up" is not necessarily cheating at all.

If you got back and read the recent posts here you'll see the rules for the NJ Cup with regard to guest players. This is allowed under certain circumstances and would definitely allow teams to improve themselves exclusively for State Championship play.

There's been some insinuation here that this may have occurred this spring. No concrete proof(or even claims) though.

So no, "beefing up" isn't cheating...unless one "beefs up" outside of the rules.

Anonymous said...

Here are my "shot in the dark" Delco predictions.

Semifinal 1: FSA over Fewster
Semifinal 2: Penn Fusion over BRYC

Final: FSA over Penn Fusion

Please note that these predictions are based on the assumption that neither DOL nor Mainland will be late additions to the field.

Anonymous said...

"If you got back and read the recent posts here you'll see the rules for the NJ Cup with regard to guest players. This is allowed under certain circumstances and would definitely allow teams to improve themselves exclusively for State Championship play."


ok, I guess if you reaaly want to win state cups and championships and tournaments real bad, then you can 'beef up' for those. but how does that improve the team and teh boys overall during league play?
if you're going to beef up for championships, then what message does that give the boys? that they're not good enough for championships on their own, and they need outside help to win?
can't be good for morale, character and play development.


"Please note that these predictions are based on the assumption that neither DOL nor Mainland will be late additions to the field."

hahaahahah - good one. i was going to say that application deadlines is over, but yeah i guess if a team drops out before now and the weekend, one of those could jump in.

Anonymous said...

"ok, I guess if you reaaly want to win state cups and championships and tournaments real bad, then you can 'beef up' for those. "

Yeah, as long as they don't "beef" my kid onto the bench! LOL!

Anonymous said...

don't you realize, just like academies gutted several good teams at u13, now its time for high school soccer in the fall and things changed again.

unfortunately, rather than get better, the level of play actually gets worse.

you are all kidding yourselves that this is anything but club sports for fun.

Anonymous said...

I disagree with your statement that this is just for fun......

At least not for the top 5 clubs who can compete at the academy level.

Many of these teams have players who are better than SOME academy players. They simply choose not to go the academy route because they either don't want to be pro soccer players or don't want to lose the experience of playing for their school.

Also, many strive to simply use it at a stepping stone to get into colleges of their choice.

It's not always about not having talented players in these teams.

Anonymous said...

I haven’t seen the level of play at the top clubs deteriorate now that players have reached High School age. It’s true that most club teams train only once a week in the fall and don't play matches during the HS season. But their schedules return to “normal” in the winter and most of the games I’ve seen this spring have been pretty darn good.

As far as players who “don’t want to be pro soccer players” goes, c’mon! Every single one of them would love to play professionally but they are now old enough to understand that this is a virtually impossible task. And I don’t see enough Academy matches to have a reasonable guess as to how many club players are good enough to play there. But I doubt there are too many club players who shun (or ignore) interested Academies to play HS soccer or for any other reason.

But since I'm in a great mood, I'll find a way to agree with both of you!

Top Club players who are committed enough to train 2-3 times each week and travel extensively to play throughout the year are doing so because they love the game and find this life style "fun."

And yes, many of them will go on to play in college, including numerous D1 schools. For many, their ability to play will help them get into schools they would not have been invited to attend otherwise. In addition, some of them will even get some help paying for at least some small portion of their education.

So, along with being “fun,” top level club play is a very serious matter for many.

Looking forward to Delco this weekend! Play hard and have fun!

Anonymous said...

A little bird told me that there are actually some kids from good teams (top 10-20) in state tht are trying out for sdfc, could that possibly become a new good team? We know it's based in Montclair and there are quite a few good players from Montclair ( galacticos/gunners?) along with other kids from surrounding towns. Possibly a new team to beat in nj.



In an unrelated question: who is mainland and do they actually deserve to be 2 in the state. Beat tsf and PDA over the weekend but are these lucky games or is this a team that can now pose a threat in nj.


In more unrelated news: nobody has spoken about the Potomac memorial tourney that has Arlington in 1 group, tsf and pachuca in another group and cya and dix hills in a third group: while this may not be as competitive as delco, there could be some exciting games down in md this week

Anonymous said...

"A little bird told me ...sdfc...a new team to beat in nj."

Good stuff! My guess is that, at this stage, SDFC would attract only those who aren't satisfied with the amount of playing time they get currently. I mean, there are already 4 other decent options in Northern NJ. So draw your own conclusions from that.

"In an unrelated question: who is mainland..."

Nobody seems to know. Maybe a group of extremely talented players that (somehow) none of us have ever come across over the past 5 or 6 years? Or maybe some new collection of players we have seen over the years and have now all moved to Mainland? I'll admit it. I have no idea.

"Potomac memorial tourney"

http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=43178&GroupID=408879&Gender=Boys&Age=15

Another great point! Along with Arlington, Dix Hills and Pachuca, Loudoun, CYA and Manhattan Villa are there as well. All very good teams! But even more so than Delco, the top flight here includes a number of teams one would expect to see in a lower flight. Anyway, it looks to be as good a tournament as Delco to me. Looking forward to seeing how this one turns out.

Anonymous said...

So no NJ teams making it out of group for Delco?

Anonymous said...

"So no NJ teams making it out of group for Delco?"

I'm afraid I doubt it. And TSF would have to beat Pachuca to get out of their group in Patomac which is another tough assignment.

So I'm not seeing a great Memorial Day weekend for NJ U15's but sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Regarding these two tournaments, the top flight value at
Potomac looks to be 10,000 points which higher than Delco (8,500).
But they'll both be highly competitive and the winners at both will have had a great weekend.

Good luck NJ!!!

Anonymous said...

MF win Parsippany tie EB lose at Delco

Anonymous said...

PDA Rooney and Jinky. Very week for that age group. PDA should be embarrassed. You really have to think if it's all about the money. Where is the player development?? What a disappointment!!!

Anonymous said...

PDA Rooney and Jinky. Very week for that age group. PDA should be embarrassed. You really have to think if it's all about the money. Where is the player development?? What a disappointment!!!

Anonymous said...

Player Development is all relative. Anyone can pay. Teams work with what they have.

Anonymous said...

EB will never be as good as they where last year after losing 3 key players to philly Union and 1 to PDA academy team

Anonymous said...

"PDA Rooney and Jinky. Very week for that age group. "

While this may be true, your entire argument was lost because you spelled weak wrong. It's pretty embarrasing that A kid or possibly and adult could not know which type of week/weak to use.

Anonymous said...

You guys are hilarious. NJ �� �� ��!!!!

Anonymous said...

I was wrong in thinking none of the NJ teams would get out of their groups at Delco and Patomac this weekend as MF managed to do so. They beat FSA (and the two other teams in their group) to reach the semis. And although they lost to Fewster there, they had a decent weekend.

EB lost their opener to BRYC but managed to recover with a couple of wins and finished 2nd in Group A. Gottschee managed to beat up Logan but were no match for Fewster or Montco and finished 3rd in Group C. And Parsippany got 3 draws in a very tough Group D to finish 2nd.

At Patomac, TSF got a draw with Pachuca to fall just short and finish 2nd in their group.

So one Group winner out of 5 and no teams in the finals at either tournament. Not great, but not as bad as I thought it might be.

Anonymous said...

Now that I think about it a bit more, one Group winner and three 2nd places finishes out of 5 top flight teams (sorry, I'm not counting Logan) really isn't bad at all.

Be nice to see an NJ team win one a top tournament one of these years though.

Anonymous said...

And I should mention that Stallions have made the final in the 2nd flight at Delco so good for them!

Anonymous said...

Parsippany also should have made it through. I saw parts of the match against Penn Fusion and they pretty unjustly conceded a last second penalty after being up the whole game. Just one win would've got them through.

Unlucky, but that's how soccer goes. Overall good performances from NJ teams.

Anonymous said...

Logan wasn't the only NJ team that was in the wrong flight this weekend. Princeton Tottenham got murdered at Patomac too.

Anonymous said...

Stallions did win the 2nd bracket 5-4 over penn fusion b team. However, I believe that if stallions had been in the first bracket, the only team they would have beat is Logan and possibly Rage. Remember that abut 3 weeks ago, they lost to parsimony 4-0 and parsippany drew 3 games. Stallions should enjoy the 2000-3000 points that they get for their win but should remember that they had a 1% chance of through the top bracket.

After all the tournaments, I see the rankings as follows:
1. DOL
2. MAtchfit
3. Parsippany
4. Mainland
5. EB
6. PDA
7. TSF
8. PDA
9. Gotschee
10. Stallions

Keep in mind that teams will soon be receiving points for EDP league.

Anonymous said...

Stallions beat PA classics in the finals, they beat Penn fusion B 4-1. Also Parsipanny easily could of lost to Penn fusion A in the gam, they were defending the whole time.

Anonymous said...

I think MF will get to number one with more than 2000 points they will get from this tournament.

Anonymous said...

I don't think so DOL won their Tournament this week at Ft Dix where they play PDA Rooney and won 1-0 and went on to play SJEB in the finals and won 4-1. Not a highly competitive tournament but with the points they will earn I think it's enough for them to stay 1st in NJ.

Anonymous said...

Teams playing tournaments like the one at Ft. Dix are obviously just going after the easy points!

Would love to see DOL play a real tough tournament against other out-of-state teams.

Anonymous said...

Stallions go to OT against PA Classics after a 1-1 game and win in penalties 4-3 in the 2nd bracket of FC Delco

Anonymous said...

Without gotsoccer- id say the rankings probably go something like:
1. Matchfit
2. Eb
3. Parsippany
4. Tsf
5. Dol
6. PDA
7. Gotschee
8. Mainland
9. Stallions

These are the type of things I like to see in this blog. When everyone gives their peice on who is where in nj, it makes this blog active and interestig

Anonymous said...

Mainland is on the Applied List for the EDP Showcase in June. At this point there are some very good teams on there but not an overwhelming number of them. So it's quite possible that the NJ State Champs could get a top flight entry.

If so, they will likely encounter out-of-state teams like Calverton, Delaware Rush, Dix Hills, Manhatttan Villa, Pachuca and Yonkers along with State rivals MF,EB and TSF.

Should all this come to pass, I think we'll all get a much clearer picture as to how Mainland stacks up against this type of competition.

DOL is not on the Applied List for this one. At least not yet.

Anonymous said...

"I think MF will get to number one with more than 2000 points they will get from this tournament. "

Not sure how you came up with your 2,000 number. My guess is that MF will get just under 1,600 and move back to #2. And DOL will get just over 2,000 and hold lead over MF by just under 3,000 points.

Anonymous said...

Stallions look to be the only team gaining points this weekend from Delco. Any other New Jersey teams gaining points elsewhere?

Anonymous said...

"Stallions look to be the only team gaining points this weekend..."

I can't tell whether the author of this post is kidding or just can't read.

Anonymous said...

With the EDP League heading into the final stage, the Points Potential Standings are now easier to deal with than Points Dropped.

So here are the Points Potential Standings:

1: FC MONTCO DIE MANNSCHAFT   / 24
 2: MATCH FIT ACADEMY FC BLACK   / 23
 4: PATRIOT FC RED   / 23
 5: PDA ROONEY   / 22
 8: TSF ACADEMY 99/00B   / 21
 3: EAST BRUNSWICK UNITED FC   / 18
 6: FC GOTTSCHEE ROMA '99   / 13
 9: DELAWARE RUSH SC 99 BOYS   / 13
 10: IRONBOUND SC NAVIGATORS   / 12
 7: NJ STALLIONS ACADEMY MADRID   / 10

Montco still have 3 to play including MF and Patriots. So they'll have a tough trip to get to the finish line first.

MF also have 3 matches left with Montco, Rooney and TSF. Could they run the table and win the League?

And while I counted Patriots out early, they've come back to life! Wins over TSF, Del Rush, EB and Montco in their last four would assure them of a points tie at the least.

Rooney isn't quite dead yet but would need to win their last 4 and get some help.

TSF is technically still alive but I can't see any realistic hope for them.

At this point I'll have to pick MF to win this league.

Anonymous said...

Just to add... the numbers before the team names in the standings above indicate their current league standing based on points earned.

Anonymous said...

Montco and Match Fit tomorrow. Maybe the EDP League Championship game?

Anonymous said...

Any thoughts on the upcoming EDP Cup Tournament?

Anonymous said...

Montco beat MF today.

The good news for Montco is that the league is theirs to win. But the bad news for them is that a streaking Patriot Red team won it's 4th straight today and is still in the hunt.

So the real Championship Game for this league now looks like it will be played on 5/16 when Montco take on Patriot Red.

Two PAE teams battling for the top? Bad news for NJ teams yet again.

Anonymous said...

as for the other "top league" in region 1, the npl looks to be shaping up very nicely. While I had only heard of teams in this league (Princeton and parsippany) the league has some other teams that are looking to make it to nationals (which is where you goif you win). The current points dropped goes 1. Everton-5 2. Parsippany- 6 3.ny Hota- 7 4. Princeton-8. From here, Everton, parsippany and hota have 2 games left while Princeton has 1. Parsippany two games are against hota and Everton which are the hard teams. Hota and evertons other game is against an easy opponent as is Princetons final game. However, it looks like hota has let their foot off the gas going into next weeks game against parsippany. They lost 3-0 to Everton today. Parsippany also got 6 pts this weekend with 2 3-0 victories. Pricton has also played very well beating Everton 2 weeks ago but it might be too little to late as they need a lot of help to win the league. Overall, I will say that a June 17 matchup between parsippany and Everton should be the title decider. Because i think nobody cares about this league, this could be a waste of a post but just wanted let everyone know.

Anonymous said...

NPL is not a top league.

Anonymous said...

NPL is for teams that know they can't succeed in EDP. Sorry to say it but playing in NPL is just a cheap way to gain points for your gs ranking. Parsipanny is a prime example of this and have been doing it for years.

Anonymous said...

"NPL is for teams that know they can't succeed in EDP. Sorry to say it but playing in NPL is just a cheap way to gain points for your gs ranking. Parsipanny is a prime example of this and have been doing it for years."

To be fair I believe there are 10-12 teams that currently play NPL within EDP.

Anonymous said...

"NPL is for teams that know they can't succeed in EDP. Sorry to say it but playing in NPL is just a cheap way to gain points for your gs ranking. Parsipanny is a prime example of this and have been doing it for years."
I find this post extremely outrageous. While parsippany may or may not play in npl for gotsoccer points, I have no doubt that they could compete within edp. As of now, no team has beat stallions the way they have and they continuously compete at edp/maps/delco cups. For sure, they may not be first in edp but keep in mind that the first place team in npl will get about what 4 or 5th place will get in edp. And my prediction is that parsippany would be a 4th or 5th place team in edp. I think that until this commenter has actually been to an npl game, they.have no right to berate the league the way they did.

Anonymous said...

Just to stop the arguing about leagues for a moment
an inside source says that the sdfc team next year is a go
The source says that they have a source that says that kids who don't play as much as they would like to on their respective acadamy have decided to drop down to edp or religion 1 premier league in exchange for playing time
For example, the kid who could be 15th on the team sheet on pda or 16th on njsa could be heading to their local sdfc team
Two possible advantages could be that they get to play high school and they get to start and play for the majority of the game with club
If this team does go through it could easily be a top team In the state because a bench acadamy team is still better than any club in this area
This is more interesting than the league argument because teams are not going to change their league because of a blog post but another competitive team in nj could really spice up how this state stacks up.

Anonymous said...

The SDFC team is an interesting idea. I don't doubt they may have recruited some high quality players but remain skeptical that they can put together a deep enough roster to field a top notch club team. I could be wrong though.

Regarding the NPL, the GS point argument is simply ignorant. Parsippany got about 1,200 for winning this last year. With that said, the NPL is a different animal as it's a birth year league. So 99's born between January and July can play U15 there this year. And the competition looks to have gotten much stiffer this spring with 4 teams all in contention. Another big difference is that the winner goes on to a National tournament of NPL winners from all across the country which EDP doesn't offer at this point.

I saw Parsippany play at Delco (without the older 99s) and I'd say they'd be very competitive in the current EDP 1st Division Central. They wouldn't be my favorite. But they could beat any team in this league and I'd like their chances to finish in the top 4.

SDFC said...

I can confirm that SDFC will be hosting a u16 team for the coming year. We have had a positive response from players looking for a college showcase and prep team that will compliment their high school athletic and academic needs.

Year round training will be based out of Livingston and Montclair. We currently have training opportunities as we have a couple of places available to complete the roster.

If your son is interested in trying out, please email kieran@sdfc.us

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Anonymous said...

The team will play EDP as it provides quality consistent competition

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Anonymous said...

The anonymous source is back and has important news
If what the post above says is true (about playing time) then your best bet to start is as a defender or striker
The source says that the new team is plentiful wih middies but lacks any fullbacks, center halts or another striker
Rumour states that a tsf goalie may leave to join sdfc
Other than that the source doesn't know any other actual commits
Good luck to everyone trying out

SDFC said...

Please feel free to email me if anyone has any specific questions about the team and program. We appreciate the "press" that the blog is providing, but we dont want to get lost in rumors of player commitments or how the team will play.

We are very early in the process of pulling this team together, but we are excited by the opportunity to work with quality players in a quality age group to follow the pathway we have enjoyed thus far with the u16 Rangers.

- SDFC

Anonymous said...

"We appreciate the "press" that the blog is providing, but we dont want to get lost in rumors of player commitments or how the team will play."

Then you never should have posted here.

To say you appreciate the exposure but don't want to deal with what comes with it is naïve at best and just plain dumb at worst.

Don't know many players or parents looking for the naïve or dumb options.

Anonymous said...

Parents may not be looking for a naive team but everyone is looking for a good team and if the rumors on here are true- naive is a price we could be willing to pay

Anonymous said...

EB coach keeps all starting players and goalies off for 60 minutes.

Last 30 minutes the "real" score was 1-1.

EB loses to Patriots Red 3-1.

Patriots Red....thank EB for the favor they just did you.

Anonymous said...

If the comment above is a player that's embarrasing but if it is a parent, it is disgraceful. I'm leaning toward a player who usually starts and didn't and is resentful at the amount of playing time they got. Patriot red shouldn't have to thank anyone except the coach who either doesn't care anymore or wanted his bench players to improve. Honestly patriot should thank themselves for playing well. And if the last 30 mins were 1-1 that doesn't say anything because not only were the patriot bench players probably in but the starters had played for 50 mins or so and were tired. So a rested eb vs a tired patriot ended 1-1, what do you think would happen if they met for "real." When you look farther up the blog, there is a post which says it's from an eb player. Maybe it's him? And either way, if the coach doesn't care, it's pretty sad and shows us what happens when eb is the top team anymore. And tsf is splitting up, maybe eb will too.

Anonymous said...

Poster above.

Why does it have to be an EB parent or player?

Don't you realize coaches or even parents from other team go watch games to see the outcome?

Stop spreading rumors.

EB will not break up.

Anonymous said...

I have no idea about what EB is up to. But based on what's been posted here, might their coach have decided to give some extra time to players who don't usually get it but have worked hard at training all season in a game that really meant nothing to them?

If so, sounds like a decent thing to do to me.

Anonymous said...

Is TSF breaking up? Why?

Anonymous said...

I don't understand how a patriot parent would say they have to thank eb. That's why it has to be a eb person. And patriot wouldn't know whether or not the starters were on. The more important question is whether the coach gave up or the bench kids worked hard and deserved to start.

Anonymous said...

"Is TSF breaking up? Why?"

I have no inside knowledge about anything going on at TSF. But rumors that players are leaving there along with the SDFC stuff has me wondering.

Anonymous said...

This is embarrassing to read on a public forum for 15 year old teams. If you don't agree with the coach perhaps request a team meeting with him and find out why he did what he did. Grumbling in the background doesn't benefit anyone.

Anonymous said...

I think the EB coach did the right thing. Everyone deserves to start once in a while. Every player should get his chance, Everyone is paying the same money. People are too obsessed with winning.

Anonymous said...

There's always a lot of players and coaches leaving at TSF.

Anonymous said...

Poster above who swears "it has to be an EB parent"...you're wrong!

It obviously has not crossed your mind that it is possible that the Montco coaching staff or even a Montco parent who knows the EB team (because they already played them), could have been at the game to scout their next opponent.

I'm not saying Montco did this, but it is feasible.

1st place either goes to Montco or Patriots Red, so it isn't necessarily an EB parent.

Anonymous said...

That's a bit of a stretch since Montco just played Patriot three weeks ago. Why willing to take a one and a half hour drive on a weekend to scout a team just played? And have not heard from any Montco parent on this board with all the success they have had this year. It seems ludicrous that they would suddenly post about EB. More likely an embarrassed EB parent trying to divert the comment.

Anonymous said...

I personally don't understand why players from TSF would leave to go to SDFC. Honestly, I don't understand why anybody on any team that is already in a top league would leave to join SDFC. Yes, they are a top club with other great teams, but u16 seems a little late to be starting a brand new team. Even with a super team, they surely can't be placed in EDP first division purely based on expectations. Many "super teams" are known to fail and I think many teams would feel hard done by if SDFC get placed in EDP first division in their debut season. It'll be interesting to see how this situation is handled by players, parents, and the league itself.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, the SDFC thing is curious all right. The idea of "following the path" of the U16 Rangers seemed pretty brazen to me. Wouldn't they need to take this new group and set the time machine back about 5 years to do this?

So could it be that SDFC is essentially a "rebranding" of TSF? If so, at least you get one more letter in your team name!

Until I see the rumored Academy players who want to move to a club so they can play HS and will head to SDFC for this reason, I can't see how SDFC would be anything more that a mid table EDP team or, effectively, TSF.

Anonymous said...

Edp Cup this weekend.

Any predictions?

You Guys are finally going to see the two state champions compete against very competitive out of state teams!

Going to be a good one!

Anonymous said...

They're only 60 min. games so I don't think they'll be great. I predict a lot of 0-0 scores.

Anonymous said...

From what I hear, there are a lot of acadamy kids who are going to sdfc which is why they will be so good. Why might an acadamy kid go, it says earlier in the blog that they would go because they don't play a lot. Sdfc will be a quality team, the kids will get to play high school with their friends and they will get a lot of playing time. When kids from tsf hear this, they think oh I want to be on a great team. Tsf is good but what's better than acadamy players so it starts with one kid leaving. But then multiple kids leave and now the team has split up. They got 3 tsf starting defenders, 2 of their best cm and possibly are getting a striker. (one cm is also moving so...) Then the best kids from stallions and gotschee and the other average teams say I'm better than my team so im leaving. When all of this comes together, the team because truly good. Then the bench kids from eb, dol, mf and parsippany say I'm tired of not getting time on the field. Maybe this new team will see as a better player. They don't but what sdfc will get is a great bench. That's the way that sdfc will become good. And sdfc has some of the best facilities around with their owner buying any usable space. They have the dome in Montclair but also have an indoor turf arena in Clifton. Outdoors, they also get grate facilities which makes it an envious club. Downsides? It might be naive and all it takes is one player to change their mind for the entire thing to fall apart. But I think that enough kids committed that this team will be a success in the future.
But who cares about sdfc when Alex Morgan and the uswnt is on? Good luck to them

Anonymous said...

I just want to be sure I've got this right.

Top players from "average" teams like Gottschee, Stallions and Parsippany all want to go to SDFC. And bench players from central Jersey clubs want to travel north so they can round out a strong bench for SDFC. These bench players are saying "I'm tired of not getting enough time closer to home so I want to travel before I ride the bench."

BTW, there are a lot of Academy spots opening up at Red Bulls and PDA because half their teams are moving on to the greener pastures of SDFC!

Do you have any idea of how stupid this all sounds?

Enjoy Alex Morgan. She sounds like your best grip on reality.

Anonymous said...

But look at the bright side. You get to buy another new uniform and you'll already know everyone!

SDTSFC sounds AWESOME!

Danny said...

I'm not sure exactly what the 10:46 poster was saying. But I think that their interpretation is better than the 1:35 poster. 10:46 says that bench kids from GOOD teams leave because they think the will get more playing time. If I was that kid, I know I would leave. They say that the kids THINK they will get playing time, even if it isn't true. I don't think the 1:35 poster fully read and contemplated what 10:46 was saying. However, good point by 1:35 that these kids leaving opens new acadamy spots. hOWEVEr, match fit is falling apart so those kids might fill up the open acadamy slots.

Anonymous said...

When you consider the fees that TSF wants, for players to be sitting on the bench every game is unreasonable. I'm paying for training and game time. How is a player supposed to develop if he never plays in games?

Anonymous said...

It is true that some of these big clubs are extremely expensive. TSF, PDA and Match Fit are all expensive because they are big clubs which everyone wants to go to. Then you have clubs like SDFC or Gotschee which are known clubs but don't cost all that much because they aren't as known as the first type. Finally, there is clubs like EB or Parsippany which are located within a town and are the cheapest. This doesn't reflect at all on the teams style or performance because all of these teams can beat each other whenever they want. But kids from TSF who pay $3000 a season to sit on the bench might get tired of that.

Anonymous said...

"How is a player supposed to develop if he never plays in games?"

I've met a number of good coaches who claim that training is for development and games are for parents. But I think this is an easy pill to swallow if your kid gets a lot of game time and a hard one to stomach if he doesn't.

Anonymous said...

While Montco will still have what is now an apparently "lame duck" TSF team to deal with, they will play what looks to be the EDP League Championship match tomorrow evening against Patriot Red. Patriot Red have rebounded from a slow start in this league to put themselves is this enviable position and Montco have had a great spring. Should be a very good game and a deserving champ should be the result.

Anonymous said...

That's what coaches say as an excuse for not playing everyone. I will never believe that. I saw my child go from being a great, confident player at u12 to a very confused, crushed player with no confidence at u13 because the new coach didn't like him. Bottom line is playing time is just as important as training.

Anonymous said...

when there are influential parents who promise business to the club, their kid is treated like gold.

Anonymous said...

"I saw my child go from being a great, confident player at u12 to a very confused, crushed player with no confidence at u13 because the new coach didn't like him."

This is a good point because not playing can really lower a kids confidence. There are some teams that have all good players and don't have a starting line-up (changes weekly). and while the best kids start every game, the average kids start 1 in every 2 or 3 games. When you don't start for a season worth of games, not only does your confidence drop, that reflects on you performance and then you play worse. This can lead to dirty looks from the top players (not always but occasionally) which can lower there confidence even more. I think that there are only 2 options for these kids. 1. If your coach dislikes you, switch to another team that will be happy to accept you or 2. Drop down from the top level and play on a less competitive team.

Sean said...

1. If your coach dislikes you, switch to another team that will be happy to accept you
Smartest decision I ever made. My son was not getting a lot of playing time on his club (top 10 in state) but was better (in my opinion) than some of the kids on the field. I had him switch to another team over the summer where he got a fresh start with a new coach. Not only did his performcance improve once he became a starter but when we played the old team at a tournament, our new team won and my son played great. It is a lot of work to switch teams but if that is the best thing for your son, i say go for it bc it may work out.

Anonymous said...

Does any good coach believe that games are for parents? That's pretty absurd. Yhey should be thinking about their players,

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the advice Sean. My son is now on a new team where he starts and there are no delusional patents. He's gained back his confidence but I don't think that he'll ever be the player he could have been. Parents, if your child is a good player and sitting on the bench, get a new team. Rankings aren't important.

Anonymous said...

Congrats to Patriot Red on their 1-0 win over Montco to claim the EDP League Championship.

Anonymous said...

"Does any good coach believe that games are for parents? That's pretty absurd. Yhey should be thinking about their players, "

I'm sure any good coach does a lot more to develop players during the 4-5 hours spent training each week as opposed to the hour or so those players get on the field in a game that weekend. So while the claim that games are for parents may be a bit of "coachspeak" to sooth the parents of those who get less game time than others, I understand their point.

And the idea that coaches should be thinking about their players on not their parents is nice but rather impractical. Like it or not, high level club soccer is a business and parents are the paying customers.

Anonymous said...

When a coach sets up a two tier system from the very beginning, that's a problem. He says here are my starters. The subs are second class. They don't play unless my starters are missing. Even if my starters are exhausted and can't give 100%. Even if my subs deserve to play and will give 100%. Is that a good, fair coach? My son made the team. That says he's a good player. The coach used him and threw him off the team when he was finished with him. My son has emotional scars from that. Everyone on the team should be treated with respect. I don't see how that can be good coaching, good business or good moral behavior so I guess your comments say a lot about your club's integrity and ethics.

Anonymous said...

Soccer is a confidence game. All the training in the world doesn't matter if a player has no confidence. But it's just dirty business,

Anonymous said...

We parents need to be very involved when our sons try out for a new team. We need to communicate clearly with the coach. If offered a spot, we need to get a clear picture of the how the program will work and what role the coach sees for our son in it. Most good coaches will want to know why you're looking for a new team and what your son's experience has been in the past. They're not afraid to ask tough questions so we shouldn't be either. If a coach is truly enthused about adding your son to their roster, they will make this role clear. And if they see your son as a fill in bench player, they will be noncommittal as they won't want to say anything that will come back to bite them should you grow unhappy.

Sorry, but unless you do all this and are flat out lied to by a coach, any "emotional scars" are your own fault.

And as far as parents concluding that their bench players are more deserving of time than some of the players who get more of it, you're not alone. However, it's rare that the coach or anyone else involved agrees with you. You have to be honest with yourself about who your son is as a player before trying to find the right club/team for them.

As far a "good morals" go, I thought we were talking about youth soccer.

Anonymous said...

I don't know what that parent knew but the responsibility of running and managing a team belongs to the coach of that team. At the end of the day, he's accountable for what happens on it. How is it good business to look after the some parents and not others? Aren't they all customers?

Anonymous said...

People have the wrong idea that being a bench player ruins confidence. Everybody tries to blame the coach or the other parents for their sons lack of playing time. But it's not always the coaches fault. Your say may not be good enough for the team. I used to live in Germany as a kid and when I played soccer there was times where I was not good enough to start. But instead of looking for an excuse, I would work harder. There is 2 scenarios, 1 is that your coach doesn't like I which case you should try going to another team but the second scenario is that your son is lazy, or possibly not good enough. There are 2 options when the latter situation fits your kid. 1. Your kid mopes and looks for an excuse and doesn't get better (or switches teams and gets the same playing time amount he got at the old club) 2. He says "what can I do to improve myself" and he gets better. It's that simple. American parents always have someone else to complain about but once in a while, accept that your son may not be good enough. And talking to the coach can't hurt. Ask him if there is any way your son can improve. Not only will he probably tell you but your son can actually get better. Kids who dont play sometimes become better because they always have something to prove. Kids who always start think they are the top dogs and can be lazy and still start. It doesn't work like that in college and really in HS. Make sure your son actually deserves to start before switching teams bc otherwise, you'll get the same result.

Anonymous said...

"People have the wrong idea..."

AMEN!

Anonymous said...

"How is it good business to look after the some parents and not others? Aren't they all customers?"

Yes, they are all customers. But some are VIP customers and others are not. Coaches want to develop players but also know that winning games is what keeps the business going.

Did you ever decide to look for a new team for your son and focus on those who'd been losing a lot lately so as to enhance your son's chances for playing time? Nah, me either.

Anonymous said...

Thanks to all the youth soccer experts who know it all! One says, "It's just business." "One says "playing time is just to please parents." One says, "sitting on the bench does not ruin a player's confidence."

Anonymous said...

And yet another manages to add absolutely nothing to the conversation.

Meanwhile, Mainland went to the EDP Spring Cup this past weekend and drew with Ironbound, lost to TSF and managed to beat "powerhouse" Smithtown Roma by a goal.

So the argument that the State Championships this spring were anomalies gets even more support.

Anonymous said...

Dol got 2nd in their bracket with 3 1-1 ties against Pachuca, Dix Hills, and Delaware.

Anonymous said...

Okay. Fair enough.

A very decent result for DOL in the top flight, drawing with the eventual Champs and traditional powerhouse in Dix Hills.

So the argument that the State Championships this spring were anomalies gets a little less support.

Touché!

Anonymous said...

Who In their right mind would say smith town Roma is a powerhouse?

Anonymous said...

That's called sarcasm!

DOL deserve their current standing.

To keep up with those top ranked teams just shows their state champ status is not a fluke.

Could the outcome have been different had EB not played with 10 men most of the match?

Not likely....... DOL is playing stronger soccer at the moment.

Anonymous said...

Saw DOL play at MSSL twice. Absolutely horrible excuse for soccer.

D1 soccer? Not a D1 player in the bunch.

Think I'm wrong? Then please get back to me with D1 signings from this team.

There will be 3-4 of these from MF, EB, Gottschee, Parsippany and TSF. Let's see how many come from DOL or Mainland.

Anonymous said...

I watched DoL play Dix Hills in EDP cup. DoL is lucky to escape with draw. Dix Hills dominated the whole game and could have scored 3 or 4 goals in first half itself. But credit to DOL that they hung around and got a goal few mins before final whistle. My question is why DoL does well in tournaments but not in EDP league??

Anonymous said...

Like it or not, a win is a win...no matter how it's achieved.

I agree that DOL do not play the prettiest soccer, but what they lack in quality, they make up with grit and aggressiveness. That style of play will ultimately come back and bite them in the end when their players are looked at by college coaches.

They do have moments where they string a few passes, but I agree that they are not consistent in both league and tournament play.

Anonymous said...

Some of the games that Dol tied or lost in the league were never played. They just couldn't play them due to state cup and tournaments.

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