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Monday, September 30, 2013

U16G Soccer in PA, NJ, MD, VA & NY

Note: These high school women at age 16 are no joke. Many are looking ahead to college soccer play. They tell their stories here.

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Anonymous said...

Appears that BEC took over the Force FC of NYE to fill it's u16 spot.

I know a few girls from the original team went to World Class, Crush, and their best player to PDA Blues.

I wonder what the motivation behind all of this was and where the rest of the girls will end up.

Anonymous said...

2:25pm. If their "best" player went to Blues then that BEC team wasn't that strong

Anonymous said...

She's actually a very good player. Not sure why she chose to go there. I was wondering as well.

Anonymous said...

BEC has consistently lost top players over the last few years. she is prob the last of the original players to move. parent very involved in NJ stallions.

great kid!

Anonymous said...

BEC parent group was dysfunctional. Hence why their players constantly left and coaches were replaced and now are totally defunct.

As for the PDA C team, lost their best striker after her being there for 2 months. Chose to go back to her town team (says a lot). And their best defender joined the PDA South team. They now don't score goals and the defender held them together at the back. Should be an interesting season for the PDA Kool Aid drinkers.

Anonymous said...

I suppose you are talking about the Blues when you say C. You are wrong about a couple of things. They are not A/B etc, they are separate teams. You also are wrong about "their best striker". If you ever saw the Blues play you would immediately realize that they had no scoring option up top and that was their biggest problem. So, Dad or Mom, if you took your daughter back to her town team good luck there.

Anonymous said...

It sounds like a parent or two have it in for the Blues. I wonder why?

Anonymous said...

Their best striker played for them last Fall. Big, quick, strong. And she went back to FC Premier in Westfield.

Anonymous said...

Somebody has a ton of old info about the Blues. Why is that?
Why do they keep mentiniong the Blues? hmmm...

Anonymous said...

Dr detective it does not take a brain surgeon to figure out it is the forwards parent.

Anonymous said...

if you think YOUR parent group is not dysfunctional then you are delusional. LOL

Anonymous said...

My daughter plays for the Blues, and I will be clear, I have no idea who this so called star forward is. I don't remember seeing one. Blues are a good team, looking to get better. The girls and parents all seem to get along, I have not seen a single incident to prove otherwise.

Anonymous said...

I have seen them play and they seemed to be ok to solid all around. Nothing special. Maybe a good defender and some decent foot skills. Just a team to play on as all of these are fairly equal.

Anonymous said...

Let's go Wildcats!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Half of Blues roster is new... so who knows. I know 2 other solid players who are new, plus the BEC ODP National player, you never know.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Blues parents are not on here because just anyone has that information.

Anonymous said...

Dont worry about PDA Blues, all is just fine. Some good left, some good coming aboard. No one believes we are a Nationally ranked team, we know who we are.

Anonymous said...

That's good.. PDA B or C teams should know what they are..

and what PDA means for them!

Pay
Demanded
Amount

Anonymous said...

PDA-Players Developed Already

Anonymous said...

Actually all the PDA Girls teams should REALLY know who they are.......they provide the cashflow to the boys teams which are FREE. PDA says thank you girls.

Anonymous said...

Wildcats are on the move!!! Watch out. Here we come!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Move out of nj. Thanks

Anonymous said...

Let's go Wildcats ! Wildcats are on the move !!! Watch out. Here we come!!!

Intelligent comments are always welcome ?

You've got to be kidding me.

What parent would write this ?

Even the 15-16 year olds on the Wildcats team would be ashamed to post something so adolescent.

What are you trying to prove, Wildcats ? And to whom ?

For now, just be quiet, practice hard and wait for your games to start. Prove it on the field.

Anonymous said...

Are wildcats playing anywhere noteworthy this fall.

Anonymous said...

Sting will dominate the Wildcats, the Crew and PDA Magic and remanin the # 1 team in the shore area

Anonymous said...

Sting? Do they have enough players? I do know their coach is still making the phone calls and looking for players. Why so confident? Your coach isn't. PDA Magic? Never even played a game. What makes you think they are any good?

Anonymous said...

A coach with a team of 15 would naturally look to bring on a few players for the following reasons

.. Money in his pocket
.. Injuries
.. Competition writin team
.. Overall squad depth

None of these things mean he is not confident with the 15 he does have.

Not sure what the case is with njsa.

What do we know about their coach ?

Anonymous said...

Many of the girls from mf ecnl are from the shore area. I would think they would have Something to say to the 112 blogger. Is njsa really in mfs league.

I do agree they Should remain better than wildcats for sure.

Anonymous said...

if you are not sure about NJSA then how do you know they have 15 players? Looks like the coach is on this site.

Anonymous said...

NJSA is notorious for reaching out to players (with this coach). He is very honest in his approach and what he would expect out of a player. He will let you know what he can do for you in getting you into college. Will spend an hour on the phone with you if you like, and will walk you through the strengths and weaknesses of the team to make sure it would be a fit. Not bad.

Anonymous said...

You can go to Disney and not play soccer you know.

Anonymous said...

so true but this child thought they were playing soccer at Disney.

Anonymous said...

Nice fields at disney. But does a coach, any coach, need to spend that much parent money for no better competition than u can get more regionally? Maybe coach attendance is so much better there.

Anonymous said...

Are there college coaches there? Yes. Will they be at your site, or at your field? It is VERY expensive to go, flights are a joke and hotels are the least expensive item. Food, entertainment, VERY crowed this time of year. Most students go to college within 2 hours of where they live. Disney is a waste of money. For that matter, so is this ridiculous PDA tournament in Florida. WASTE of money. PDA is doing this to market their brand, simple as that! Newsflash to PDA, you go get the coaches to show up to your event and dont ask your players to do so.

Anonymous said...

Disney has VERY good competition. There are MANY college coaches in attendance every year, from all over the country. If your child is in a lower bracket, possibly not as many coaches at the games as at the higher bracket games, but still a great showing by the colleges.

Yes it is expensive, but it is one of the best showcases around if your child wants to play in college. Granted, NOT the only place to be seen, but a great place to be seen if you want to pay.

Anonymous said...

To 742 ... What u wrote is correct. But the point I'm making is that the level of competition and the college coaches present is not far enough superior to what one can find within 6-8 hour drive of our area to warrant a coaches decision to drag 18 girls and a parent to an experience, that while an adventure and hopefully a good one, will improve the chances of being noticed that dramatically. If all parents were as we'll off as the top 20 pct. on each team, then no problem. But I think the reason coaches and clubs drag their teams there is more for the ego of the coach, the promotion of the club or team and to be used as leverage in recruiting. This is like a fisherman looking for worms turning over a whole acre of soil when a square foot would have done the trick. All this travel benefit the very few and not the many, while at the same time feeding a system that thrives on our aspirations for our girls. So we are dropping thousands of tourist dollars to airlines, hotels, restaurants and providing a living and free trips for mostly jackass coaches that we put our faith in .. That's right ... They expense all this to you.

Don't get me wrong ... The kids love it. I enjoy and will probably do it again. You don't hold your daughter back from something the entire team is doing. Find a different team instead. But let's at least be honest about what actual benefit is being derived and by whom.

Anonymous said...

8:30 I couldn't agree with you more. I have done the Disney thing.....just not worth it. 700 per plane ticket, if you are lucky. Did I see college coaches, sure but they were few and far between. (I was there for the top bracket also). Teams, save your money you will need it for college. Some clubs mandate tournaments you have to go to and at first it sounds great but then you realize that they are making you go to promote themselves. Cost them ZERO.

Anonymous said...

dude if you're paying 700.00 per ticket to get there then you need to either get out of first class or drive. our tickets were 350.00 (still 100.00+ more than I have ever paid before).

agree it is not worth it unless you can make a vacation out of it. the extra surcharge for hotel and having to PAY to watch your kid play is expensive. luckily we have family in the area and the rest of the family will just hang by the pool during the tournament. no cost there!

Anonymous said...

Dude, if you are paying 35o then you booked it a LOOOOONG time ago, or you are flying from NJ to Chicago to Atlanta to Orlando. Either way, at 350 plus luggage it just isnt worth it. Bringing your family? Costs just went through the roof. Exposure? Only to the sun.

Anonymous said...

Use it as vacation......

Anonymous said...

Vacation? Not if you are on a truly competitive team. No time to walk the parks, need to save energy. Should be in team meetings. Why are you going to this Disney Tournament, to be seen by college coaches right. Treat it like a business trip. Sorry..............NOT worth the money.

Anonymous said...

there is time for both. business and pleasure, but the soccer comes first. you're not gonna be in team meetings every hour you are not playing.

use the pools.

parks - that's another story - if you have the time and the $$, but up goes your cost dramatically.

We didn't go to the parks and 90% of the team's time was spent with each other, even if not in a team meeting, but it was enjoying and relaxing.

While you are there, make the best of it. And the last thing you want to do is take the enjoyment out of the trip - soccer or otherwise not forgetting you are there for one reason. You want a family vacation, plan a family vacation.

Nonetheless, it is all too much, too expensive and imo, unnecessary as compared to the potential benefit derived.

Anonymous said...

1:16 BINGO just NOT worth it

Anonymous said...

Easy to get sucked in. And you find yourself traveling the country at the whims of a less than stellar coach who lines his pockets regardless of what is done for your daughter.

Good for the wealthy and the top couple players. All else .. We are just along for the ride, but we do help make other people good money

Anonymous said...

dude, booked it last week.
direct flight.

Anonymous said...

Dude = Liar

Anonymous said...

Very wrong to throw out the liar accusation. You don't know what he paid. Could be that he couldn't leave on the dates or times or airports where the 350 flights were available. Maybe there were cheaper flights but this person chose to pay more for convenience factors.

Why are some people so quick to assume the worst and throw out insults. Your not face to face, let alone know where thiserson looked.

Maybe the person is not savvy or made a costly mistake. That doesn't make the dude a liar.

Anonymous said...

Newark to Orlando non stop is going for 675-770 per ticket, now.

It is worth it though, you MIGHT be at a field where there is a coach and he MIGHT happen to be watching while you are playing and he MIGHT be interested or he MIGHT just be an assistant who really doesnt know what he wants. MAYBE.

Anonymous said...

Funny how when people "can't" find things they assume others are lying. You couldn't have looked very well.

Found this JUST NOW. Spirit. Leaving 12/30. returning 1/2. Total Due $336 without seat assignment and bags. direct flight both ways.

I also paid $350.00 for my daughter but that included bag and seat assignment. I booked (3 weeks ago?) as soon as the roster was released.

If you regularly search for the best cost per flight, you will find that search/purchase earlier in the week (best day is tuesday) is ALWAYS cheaper than later in the week. booking/purchase on fri-sat-sun is ALWAYS more expensive.

Anonymous said...

and yes, out of AC but isn't a 1-2 hour ride (cheaper parking as well) worth saving $350? it is for me.

Anonymous said...

I've heard that Copa lost a lot of players?

Anonymous said...

2:32 You heard wrong.

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Anonymous said...

No one is sure if the "beans" are true or not. Could just be an angry ex-coach spewing trash about former employer.

Anonymous said...

I pulled my kid from Copa,not happy with what happen there!!!

Anonymous said...

What "happen" there?

Anonymous said...

Beans?

Anonymous said...

8:42 "beans" was in reference to a deleted post about someone "spilling the beans" about something.

Anonymous said...

NJ Rush Team Tops in the Nation!

On the heels of an outstanding performance in the NJ State Cup Championships, New Jersey Rush teams climb the charts in National Rankings.

New Jersey Rush had an outstanding showing at the NJ State Cup Championships last weekend. The U12 ’02 Girls and U12 ’02 Boys won their respective US Youth Soccer National Championship Series State Cups. In all, 6 New Jersey Rush teams entered the weekend as Semi-Finalists, 5 teams advanced to the Finals and 2 were crowned Champions.

After winning the U12G USYS NCS NJ State Cup Championship, the New Jersey Rush ’02 Girls received the additional honor of being ranked as the #1 U12 Team in the country by GotSoccer, the number one ranking organization for youth soccer in the USA.
New Jersey Rush has found tremendous success in other age groups too with 9 teams U11-U18 currently ranked in the top 100 in the USA.


Team Coach GotSoccer
National Ranking Championships
’03 Girls Lisa Pittaro 42
’02 Girls Christopher Pettit 1 NCS NJ State Champion
’02 Boys David Barbour 42 NCS NJ State Champion
’00 Girls NPL Darron Brown 29
’99 Girls Blue Ronald Celestin 95
’98 Girls NPL Greg Ruttler 61 NCS NJ State Champion
’97 Girls NPL David Barbour 5 NCS NJ State Champion
USCS NJ State Champion
’96 Girls NPL Jeff Zoyac 38 USCS NJ State Champion
’96 Girls Blue Martin Wood 19


New Jersey Rush is a US Club Soccer National Premier League club and is becoming one of the top ranked clubs in the Region.

For more information about NJ Rush, please visit our website at http://www.njrush.com or email our Director of Coaching, David Barbour at dbarbour@njrush.com.

Anonymous said...

Since when is this a site for free advertising!

Anonymous said...

NJ rush needs all the help they can get it looks like. It's scary they promote gotsoccer like its actually true rankings. Most academies and club would banish gotsoccer if they could. I know my daughters coach hates it. Another money grab in south!!

Anonymous said...

not all soccer talent comes from academies, whatever they are.

Most talent (not all) will come from the clubs that are not town based. The ones that have names that are not a town and draw from a regional part of the state.

PDA is one club I would put above this, only in terms of O'Reilly and their other better teams at the various ages.

We need a gotsoccer (or something like it) for the following:
- colleges to use as a guideline for non ECNL type teams (yes my friends, not all talent is found in ECNL either).
- to establish some sense of relative strength of teams for flighting for tournaments

I can see why a team like O'Reilly doesn't like it - it gives the impression to some that they might not be the best team in NJ. I think they are the best team. But let's not dare think they are not.

Before you pick on GS to banish, there are just so many more other things to target. Gotsoccer is not even in the top 10 of the list of problems with youth soccer, although I do think that GS goes exist as a result of some of the other evils surrounding the game.

Anonymous said...

Your coach hates it because it doesnt help his cause. Is it perfect? No, but it acts as a fairly decent guide.

Anonymous said...

3:39 here saying to 10:11 .... Bingo.

Anonymous said...

I think PDA parents get a little ruffled when someone says their team is not in the top spot in NJ.

They feel the need to write about the PDA superiority. If its true and your confident of it, sit back and enjoy your success.

Anonymous said...

LOL, OR could be listed as #20 on GS and they are the top team in NJ.

tell me another team from NJ that has beaten them? come on', just one team.

Anonymous said...

12:32 sounds just like someone that 4:32 was referring to.

Can't the OR gang just leave it alone and bask quitely with pride that their daughter is in the right place ?

Why the need to make sure no one can say anything that might give question to OR being tops in NJ ?

Anonymous said...

So now the HS Season is almost over who are we predicting to be the top 5 in NJ?

Anonymous said...

1 PDA OR
2 Matchfit
3 Wildcats
4 PDA Blues
5 ?

Anonymous said...

10:45am Must be joking. Blue and Wildcats aren't even top 10

1. PDA O'Reilly
2. MF ECNL
3. NJ Crush
4. STA
5. PDA Impact

Anonymous said...

PDA Impact - now you are joking.

Anonymous said...

So 12:18, you know who these teams have added? You know.

Anonymous said...

Looking at the last games that the Impact has played, they don't belong in the top 5. But they are still adding players - so who knows. Up to 23 or 24? as of now.

Anonymous said...

The coach will go up to 30 if he could. The stampede of players will start right after their first tournament when 5 or 6 don't make the game day roster and another 7 don't see any playing time.

Anonymous said...

Stampede of players to where ?

Is there any place left to go that has a quality program that PDA refugees would be looking for?

And btw - I agree about the top two teams being O'Reilly and MF ECNL.

But there is talent on lots of other teams, and in the end, its not how good the team is. Its how good the player is that matters, assuming it is college we are talking about.

Sure there is the thought that PDA and MF, being who they are will attract more collegiate attention, but there are a lot more spots open in colleges around the country than these two teams can fill, and I am quite certain there are many players on 10-15 other NJ teams that will be seen as more desirable than some on PDA, just based on the subjective eyes of each college coach and specifically what they are looking for in a given recruiting class. In the end, the college coach wants players that will be able to play in his/her system and win games. PDA/MF are not the only tickets there.

My daughter would not make OR or MF ... well - I highly doubt it. But I do expect her to garner college coach attention and play in college.

Wildcats is just another of those 10-15 teams that has some talent that colleges may want. But if you are talking teams - please don't make me laugh putting them in the top 5.

Anonymous said...

Stampede to where ever team they will get some playing time. Anything is better than sitting. Bottom line is - kids just want to play

Anonymous said...

You dont think that other teams carry more than 18? Blues do, its not just the Impact. Wildcats do, I am sure the new PDA shore team does. Matchfit does, heck even town teams do it now.

Anonymous said...

The most important thing is playing time. "Hey coach, come watch me play. I will be the one on the end of bench with the blanket to keep warm." I might play 5-10 if we are winning big, but really, I am gooooooood. Sorry , still cold. But the team is top 10 and I train almost everyday with the really good ones. you know, they need practice players, and MONEY.

Anonymous said...

still waiting for someone to explain how carrying more than 20 is beneficial to player development.

Anonymous said...

If you are of the mindset that a bigger roster means more competition for playing time, then to an extent I agree. But it works better at the higher levels like college and pros who are either paid or better equipped to deal with the ego hit. For teens I think the negatives far outweigh any positives and I believe it is just for the money, and also perhaps the sustenance of the team in the event some players leave. All in all it's a lousy thing to do to a kid ... Bull about learning lifes lessons ... They will surely learn them in other places along the way and don't need a soccer club to give them these lessons while paying for something else. Finally the parents of the top players should be happy that the bottom third players exist. Otherwise they would be paying more for their experience. 18 is a good number. Everyone dresses for every game. Everyone gets some chance to shine that game. Next year coach can cut u for a better player. While u are on the team, you play. But not necessarily equal minutes because effort, attitude and game performance must count for something. The better players should play more. If that is not enough incentive for your bottom third to elevate their game, look to replace them in the off season.

Anonymous said...

I bet MF is happy they have 22 rostered right now. Heard 9 starters can't go to Betheseda because of state tournament finals. Hope they don't get blown out.

Anonymous said...

I am thinking the question to ask is: Why is a high-level tournament scheduled at a time when many high-level players would naturally be otherwise committed, or forced to make a rough decision that could hurt her standing with either school or club team ?

Anonymous said...

Why cant they go to Bethesda. Finals are not this weekend.

Anonymous said...

Finals are on Friday. Bethesda runs Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I wonder if some will make it down for Saturday and Sunday.

Anonymous said...

Why wouldnt they? These "high level" players wouldnt make the trip to a college showcase? It is 100% inexcusable for a player to NOT go for the Sat/Sun games. NO excuses.

Anonymous said...

Roster size of 16,18 or 23..the bottom line is...... is my kid enjoying herself ? is she getting better/learning? is she getting prepared to play at the college level and getting exposure? If a team carried 20+ plus players, so be it. OMG. Some parents unfortunately have a since of entitlement for there kid. Unfortunately thats not soccer/sports at the college level( played field hockey) or soccer at a high club level. Knowing that you need to be accountable for everything you do on and off the field helps create a environment to produce and develop players because if they don’t maintain a level, try hard, then they have consequences.
You are guaranteed nothing and you have to compete, work hard to play. I like that enviroment for my kid to become the best player she want to become . Some players and parents aren’t built for that or understand the bigger picture. Its a shame because you see those under developed players all the time. “Would of, could of should of” players that stayed in a comfortable or guaranteed playing time environment. As a parent and athlete myself, i prefer the more challenging environment for my kid. No.... right or wrong, just what you prefer I suppose

Anonymous said...

Cost of clubs
Club Cost
FC Delco 2,500
FC Buck, 2,300
PDA, 2,400
FC Coppa, 1,800
SJ Barons 2,000
MFC 2,700
STA 1,900
RUSH 2,100
PFC 2,000
?

Anonymous said...

That is base price, dont forget about the 5 dollars here and 10 dollars there for god knows what. It never ends.

Anonymous said...

NEWSS Brackets are out. Top 2 are below

Showcase Red

BRENTWOOD SC FREEDOM 98 (NYE)
WHITBY 1999A (CND)
PDA O'REILLY (NJ)
NJ CRUSH FC CHARGE (NJ)

AJAX FC 1999 GIRLS RED (CND)
STA MORRIS UNITED NPL 98 (NJ)
ALBERTSON SC ALBERTSON FURY ECNL U16 (NYE)
JERSEY UNITED SPARTANS 98/99G ASL (NJ)

Showcase White

WORLD CLASS FC WORLD CLASS '98 ECNL U16 (NYE)
PDA IMPACT 98/99 NPL (NJ)
ALBERTSON FURY NPL (NYE)
BEACHSIDE SC CT BEACHSIDE (CT)

EAST MEADOW SC ECNL STARS 98 (NYE)
ISA 98 NPL (NYE)
FC COPA ACADEMY CELESTE (NJ)
YANKEE UNITED F.C. REVOLUTION NPL-98 (CT)

Anonymous said...

State Public Finals are Saturday November 22. Smack in the middle of CASL tournament. Apparently tournament organizers didn't give a hoot that NJ states were still on. They moved their tournament up by 2 weeks from past years. Why?

This puts players in a very difficult position. They HAVE to (WANT to) play for their HS yet they should be showcasing for college. What's a player to do?

Anonymous said...

12:32 & 1:27

Is that $ just training or does it include tournament fees.

How about coach's travel, uniforms, hotels, etc. etc.

Anyone want to provide an "all inclusive" dollar amt to play 1 year in this program?

Anonymous said...

most fees include cards, state cups, league play and coaches training fees.

+ 300.00ish uniforms
+ tournament share (/#players)
+ coaches tournament fee/expenses(depends on travel costs. /#players)
+ winter indoor fees
+ fundraising(club not team)
+ whatever

no matter which club, all travel and hotel fees are on you.



Anonymous said...

you are basically writing an open check

Anonymous said...

We are with one of the clubs listed. Uniforms are not an annual purchase. They are worn at least 2 yrs. our fees included winter training indoors (facility fees and training fees). Also we have not been asked to pay extra for coaches travel or hotel. Yes we pay for our own obviously. If the girls want to do any extra tournaments in the winter or do futsal, that would be extra. So it's not an "open check".

Anonymous said...

Always asked for extra money. Always. It adds up

Anonymous said...

got an email for Match Fit's online Nike store. does that mean that all Adidas gear is banned?

that means EVERYONE at MF puchases new uniforms this year. almost ALL of the 3 U16 teams bough new Adidas uniforms LAST year.

hhmm, not exactly every two years.

and manufacturers will only keep a line for 2 years so you can puchase up to 2 years IF they have it in stock.

Anonymous said...

My kid played for MF for too many years of wasted time. EVERY YEAR they had to buy a new uniform. I'm sure club makes out on a percentage of the uniform fee.

Anonymous said...

MF couldn't even keep academy status on the boys side. #MFstinks

Anonymous said...

MF I leading the way at bethesda.

Anonymous said...

614 so complain to mf
It's not all clubs that makes u get new uniforms annually

Anonymous said...

Aside from mf, nj teams did not fare well at Bethesda. I think they've adopted some better development methods elsewhere. Heaven knows they can't get much worse around here.

Anonymous said...

Keep in mind that most of the NJ teams did not carry their full roster due to high school season. Many other States play HS in the spring and therefore carried their full roster.

Anonymous said...

Other than Virginia, which states play HS in the Spring? Maryland, PA, Delaware, Ohio...all fall. Nice try, though.

Anonymous said...

Nice try what...The fact is many of the NJ teams did not have full rosters because the kids were still playing high school.

Anonymous said...

Nice try using that as an excuse. Many other teams from other states had kids still playing HS. Maryland had their state cup finals on Saturday and my daughter's team played Friday and Saturday missing 4 starters. It's not a good reason for the lack of performance.

Anonymous said...

No excuse. Our team performed well. The teams from other states carried 17-18. Our team and other NJ teams that I watched had 12-13. One team did not have their goalie. You sound like a loser so I am done.

Anonymous said...

The real villain here is high school soccer which should be banished.

Anonymous said...

Mf ecnl solidifies their top nj ranking with a quality performance in Bethesda.

Anonymous said...

MF, are you suggesting that you are better than OR?

Anonymous said...

8:55 Please, spare us the bragging. How many quality teams actually showed for Bethesda? How many teams actually had their full strength
rosters because of high school soccer commitments? You won. Big deal. It's all relative.

Anonymous said...

NEWSS, please behave like a top tournament, release the schedules.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Ridiculous how NEWSS is in 10 days time and hasn't released a schedule. They accepted teams over a month ago!

Anonymous said...

very very JV

Anonymous said...

I'm just saying that mf has Retained top spot in Gs and widened their lead. Not commenting on anything else. Read into what you wish. Wooo hoooo!

Anonymous said...

9:47 That was nasty. Can't another team be happy that they won?? And there was great competition... Loudin and Betheseda. Keep your negativity to yourself.

They are going to drop down very soon since Bethesda is the only points grabbing tournament they are doing this fall. I would have thought that we wouldn't be discussing Gotsoccer still.

Anonymous said...

Actually you are the one discussing gotsoccer. You brought it up....no one else.

Anonymous said...

Um....reread 8:55 am. That's what started the conversation. Which rankings did you infer they meant?

Anonymous said...

U people are comical.

How many of you have actually seen any team other than your daughter's team play more than a few times and once or twice a year. Not many I expect. If you did we might have other things to worry about for you, and at best, I'd say get a life.

We really can't watch PDA or mf or sta or wildcats or whoever play on video like we can watch real Madrid or bayern.

Yet there continues to be commentary on who is good, who is not and who is better than the other.

So when someone points to the ONLY objective and universal measure there is, people get all bent out of shape. It is comical.

Sure Gs is not perfect. But tell me some other objective measure. Talking ecnl or npl or whatever league is not gonna do it. Brand name doesn't do it either.

So why not just accept the comments about Gs, let parent be proud of their kids and teams as long as they are not trashing others an be done with it.

Anonymous said...

mf "cheats" too.. they leave the npl team from last year on got soccer just so they can have an encl team compete....look at the npl roster and half the girls are not even with mf anymore...they should be ashamed

Anonymous said...

916. Are you saying MF hasn't got an NPL team at this age group? How are they going to participate in the NPL league? Just have their ECNL team do both?

Anonymous said...

No the NPL team disbanded because they were on to the MF crap and didn't want to take it anymore so MF "bestowed" the status of NPL on the North team. Yes, they do cheat. They've also given points from one team and season's end to another startup team which had NOT ONE player on it from the first team. Joke.

Anonymous said...

Really? Wow. The MF North team is very poor for the age group. Going to be a tough season for them in NPL!

Anonymous said...

Still do not understand 20+ roster. Hey college coach, I did not dress today, but hope to play tomorrow. Please come back. lol



still lol !

Anonymous said...

The North team IS the NPL now. The other will drop off when their points die off.

We should just not compare teams at all. There are too many leagues and too many ranking systems. Let's all just worry about our own daughters and helping them to achieve.

11:44 I am not a fan of large rosters either but I am answering your question honestly. On my daughters team, the coaches are in touch with most of the college coaches that attend the showcases. If the coach knows that a college is coming for your daughter, he will be sure to showcase them. Thus the name... showcase. If random colleges show up and do not get to see your daughter and you wanted them too, they attend a camp. I think 18 is a nice number to have on a team so that injuries etc. are covered but even then coaches won't get to see 12-18 as much as 1-11. So, using the above "formula" works all around.

Anonymous said...

NEWSS schedules up

Anonymous said...

Another loss today for SJA at the EDP Tournament.

Anonymous said...

Ya know, you are a pathetic individual for posting negative things about the SJA team! Why are you so concerned about this team? Grow up! Like your daughter's team is so perfect and always wins!!?? My daughter's team loses every so often too. It happens.

Anonymous said...

Since you are keeping track for us.. you forgot to post that they won today also.

Anonymous said...

LOL

Anonymous said...

Won the constellation game. lol
Good teams are always playing for something Sunday afternoon, called finals.

Anonymous said...

What's a "constellation" game? A constellation is a celestial grouping of stars. I think you meant CONSOLATION game.

Anonymous said...

the constellation game is won by the person that can pick out the most constellations in the night sky. LOL

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know anything about the Champions League?

Anonymous said...

Region one. Must qualify

Anonymous said...

sja crew on a roll at newss

Anonymous said...

Nice show for SJA crew, keeping in mind they are in a low bracket, but 3 solid wins. On the other end, PDA Impact doesn't get out of group play, dead last in their bracket and only scores 1 goal in the weekend. Guess the new coach should have poached him some goal scorers.

Anonymous said...

November 30, 2014 at 2:27 PM-We played PDA Impact at MSSL Showcase and it was a very good game which they had most/all of play. I know my daughters team have trouble scoring sometimes; At least they defend well I would get flighted higher before talking bad against a U16 girls team. You people on this forum kill me

Anonymous said...

"Poaching!" Let me guess. Your kid was cut? New team & players. Give it time you'll see positive results. He's one of the last real trainers left. Or you could keep feeding your kid & the tarts on this blog negative feedback about the team/club, you're sure to get wins & respect that way.

Anonymous said...

Nope my daughter was not cut. She is on a high level team and she is doing well. I would not even consider taking her to a team where the roster is 24-25 players.

Anonymous said...

Then why salt??? Get a life!!!!

Anonymous said...

Why salt ?

Why not salt ?

The other question ... why pepper ? WTF.

Anonymous said...

If your kid could play you wouldn't be worried about a 24-25 player roster. I think you & everyone else knows she'd most likely be player 24 or 25. Give the guy & the girl's a break! Salt/pepper & any other ingredients you'd like to add. "WTF"

Anonymous said...

What top level team isnt carrying 22 plus players? Is there really one team out there that doesnt.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like this salt.and pepper business all boils down to bad blood between impact and tha new sja crew. Parents you've been at this so long. Give it a break already. Grow up and get a life already. Concentrate on the goodness of your own daughter's soccer experience and if u need a soccer scholarship for her, then all the best. Stop knocking others peoples kids or their teams. They should all be successful with or without the game and hopefully the karma many of you have spilled out here over the years will not come back to haunt the innocent girls. who u all gonna rant at once youth soccer is done in the pretty near future?

Anonymous said...

look at Got Soccer rankings this morning

1. STA
2. NJ Crush
3. JU
4. Jeny B
5. MF
6. FC Copa
7. NJ Stall
8. PDA OR

Certainly not a perfect system.

As far as got soccer goes at the moment, there are 3-4 teams that do not have 22 or more in the top 10. Easy to look at them.

Do any of the teams have a policy to keep the roster at 18, if you look at other teams in these clubs the do exceed the 18. So while your daughter's team at U16 may be at 18, they might add to the roster next year where the number becomes unbearable. That is what happened at JU from last year to this year.

A governing body (US CLUB) should set a limit, that benefits the kids and not the profits of these organizations.

Anonymous said...



Then leave your current club and go to one that does not have a roster over 22 and or go somewhere where you think your daughter can play and play a good amount.

Call a coach and see if there is a need or if you can be an upgrade at her position(s).

Anonymous said...

Couple ways to look at this. In theory I agree with 9:44. It would be nice to have some governance over this, but alas, it is more like the wild west here with anything goes. It's up to the parents to choose what they think is right. If you want max of 18, find it. But chances are if the team has any success, people will flock and unless the coach/club has some integrity tied more to quality of product than it is to money, the roster will grow.

Thing is, a limit of 18 could take a considerable amount of profit from the coaches. Again, in theory, this could make the job less attractive to the "top coaches" .. I mean hacks .. having them opt to do something else with their time ... who knows what.

If you are a coach rostering a player, you gotta find ample playing time for her - not necessarily equal, but ample so that the kid can progress. Of course good attitude and attendance is a given here. otherwise, bets are off.

Frankly most of these teams are coached by hacks anyway - but its our beautiful system that permits these hacks into leadership roles. Alas, I guess these are the best of the lot. Many people would not know good soccer training, coaching and mentoring if it jumped up and bit them right in their plump arses. So perhaps we don't deserve better if we can't tell the difference. Caveat Emptor.

Anonymous said...

11:47am. What teams do you believe are incorrectly coached by "hacks"? I'd like to be enlightened.

Anonymous said...

You would be very surprised. Most American coaches and ever foreign coaches on these shores do not have a clue as to how the game should be played, how get the best out of the players and how to train the minds of the players. And the worst of it - and this is a very well known defect in most American coaches - they overvalue current athleticism as opposed to developing and molding talent. We may have some decent talent evaluators, but not good talent predictors and developers. You have a bunch of fools who can pick a great team for today, but to project and forecast a player for what he or she will become, and help mold that player to reach potential is a FAR DIFFERENT THING and something I believe 80% more of our hacks fail miserably at. But again, this is as much a fault of our effed up system as it is with the coaches themselves.

I will not name names here. But you name one, and great chance he or she is on the hack list.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Glenn, much appreciated.

Anonymous said...

Here is the list someone posted from got soccer (plus 9 and 10). Who of these are hacks? I know from the below that only 3 of the coaches have had the team since U11 onwards. Others either started later or have had changes of coach through the years.

1. STA
2. NJ Crush
3. JU
4. Jeny B
5. MF
6. FC Copa
7. NJ Stall
8. PDA OR
9. NJ RUSH
10. NJSA

Anonymous said...

I am opinionated about the coaching quality in the youth game. I am making general statements that I believe in. Taken them for what they are - an opinion from someone you don't know, who as far as you are concerned knows less about the game than the hacks I speak about.

I will state that most US soccer coaching is garbage. I am trashing the system, and yes, a lot of the people in it. But I will not name names. There is no need for that here.

If you put each of these clowns in a vacuum with the same players and took away the pressure of having to win games in the short term and placate silly parents looking for scholarships for their kids, and see what each of them comes up with in terms of how they have their teams playing, we could see who knows what the heck they are doing.

But we don't have this vacuum to perform the experiment in. So you need to form an opinion based on what you see and hear in coaches and how they have their teams playing.

Anonymous said...

as a GK parent, i'd like to have a simulator. see how a coach would perform (or another keeper) in the same situation when that coach says "you should have had that" from 3/4 a field away.

Anonymous said...

10:10, all -

What you wrote could be a very good case in point for me. Does this coach say this out loud for all teammates, opponents, parents and spectators to hear, or does he/she tell her this quitely on the sidelines and discuss how she might have handled the shot better ? There is no real middle ground here. Criticism without constructive correction is the mark of an idiot coach. Doing so in front of others and showing up a player - especially a keeper - who has only to sit around an stew instead of being involved in the action, is a nightmare coach. A coach who does this has no place in the world of developing athletes. NONE AT ALL.

For goodness sake, you don't see a pro coach showing up a player or goalie like this on the field. Why not a) because he knows it is a disgrace and that it would be all over the media and destroy any hope he had for a reputation as a players coach b) he wants to build confidence in his players / not break it
c) he wants the players to play for him and this requires a degree of trust.

Ah, but in our wonderful world of youth soccer, where we do let hacks roam the sidelines, short of flat out physical or other abuse or misconduct, there are no repurcussions and there certainly is NO QUALITY CONTROL over how and what the coach delivers. And in some instances, there is emotional abuse, but that is a fine line and the girl can always leave the team. NO QUALITY CONTROL because we don't have the system in place for it. The only system we have - you win, you stay. you lose, you go. And that is pretty much the story. We are failing our kids on so many levels its beyong ridiculous.

Now back to the buffoon/hack we were discussing before, if you consider that a good coach's goal is to improve his players and win some games along the way, then how does showing up a player lead to that improvement. Maybe to some old school idiots it might, but for sports, there are some things that I believe in strongly - 1) Confidence is key. You want a player to play to their best ability and reach their potential, they need to be confident. 2) Trust in the coach and knowing that the coach has your best interests at heart and mind. 3) Credibility of the coach. Does the coach do what he says, does he speak with knowledge, is he able to connect to the players and make sure they walk away with the right understanding of what needs to be corrected and is he treating players equally fairly, not holding dual standards amongst the players.

Anyway, that buffoon coach and those like him lose out at least 2 or the 3 areas. Probably all three.

And at the heart of these things is not even about his soccer knowledge. They mostly have to do with the quality of the person mentoring your daughter and these are things that would apply in any teaching scenario.

Once you get into the actual soccer aspect of things, the flaws and lack of quality in our coaching clowns gets far deeper.

But I don't care how much soccer accumen and technical/tactical advise a coach can offer, if he is not a good human being - a good teacher - then you are lost right from the git go.

Hey GK parent, if don't want to get me going again, I'd refrain from putting out posts like you did .... lol. I'd also say that this coach is an even bigger idiot if he is 3/4 of the field away from a goalie. At best he is out of his technical area. At worst, well ... WTF is he doing down closer to the other goal anyway - praying his team will move the ball upfield ?

Anonymous said...

1.37 you'll get no complaint from me.

okay, 1/2 the field away is a little fairer than 3/4.

let's say it wasn't a positive experience and leave it at that.

Anonymous said...

So where do you coach?

Anonymous said...

My daughter was on a team where the coach would walk around drinking a cup of coffee during a training session.
I thought the kids should place a bet - 10 bucks to the kid who could knock it out of his hand.

Needless to say, we moved on.

Anonymous said...

I coach at the field next to the physics lab where Einstein worked, if you get my drift.

You don't need to be a doctor to understand human anatomy.

You need a good understanding of the game and of people. And a degree of decency.

A lot of it is common sense after you have a root knowledge of the spatial aspect of the game and the absoute necessity for intelligent movement off the ball but not only by the player next to the one with the ball but by all players on the field. It's only after ou see this constant movement do you know you have a team that plays soccer.

Now I have seen a couple of the better teams in the area do this. Some of them have an idea but are not there yet. Most teams unfortunately are not. There are an abundance of reasons why not. It takes time, patience and desire, let alone enlightenment, which it is sad to say most coaches do not have. Mostly because all of this work could have and should have been done at u10-u15 ... Priming the soccer brain for future success, but instead we were too busy focusing on wins, and athletes who can get us more of them at that time without thinking about building a strong foundation.

This btw is one of the top failings of soccer in our country. There are others but a major contributor is the primitive and short sighted minds of many of our coaches. Not entirely their fault - its a horrible system.

But no, I am not coaching now. I will go on to say that no self respecting coach comes onto this blog. Note that I use the term self respecting, as their is no shortage of hubris with them. But that doesn't mean you as parents have to respect them for the many areas where they are failing your kids.

Just like in school we come across many teachers who we don't respect - we want to respect them because of their position in the life of our kids - but their attitudes and actions make it impossible. Start thinking a bit more intelligently about your kids' coaches, their ways and means, the way they have the kids playing and what they do in training to improve the skills and tactical senses of the players.

We will have a lot of girls who have success beyond high school and some of the in spite of the coaching they've had. Imagine what could be if we had a working system with coaching standards. Last btw .. This goes way beyond any lisence. Sometimes the higher the lisence, the bigger the idiot.

Just wondering what is the lisence of the DB who yelled at the goalie from the previous post.

A good coach/teacher will not just criticize. After identifying the problem they will constructively guide you, or lead you to a solution and work with you until you get there. Otherwise this coach has failed you, and I regret that there are a lot of failures in our midst.

Anonymous said...

Finally a knowledgeable poster......Amen.. For real.

Anonymous said...

license? now that is funny! maybe E?

Anonymous said...

You go on and on calling people names and saying how they are idiots. An idiot still knows how to spell license. Not you though!

Anonymous said...

I never did win a spelling bee.

I have to admit that is one word I have always had trouble with. No more thanks to you.

You got me. C before the S.

I still stand by the content, but if you look hard enough, you might find some more flaws in my grammar or spelling. Knock yourself out.

To be clear, I am not calling anyone in particular names. I am not naming names or pointing fingers. There are idiots in our population that have nothing to do with soccer. We all know they are out there. There are idiot drivers. Idiot teachers. Idiots we work with. Even idiots in some of our families that we need to put up with. I am just opining here that there are idiot soccer coaches too.

BTW - from your logic, it is possible I am not an idiot, since I can't spell license and all idiots know how to spell license. Check that - I am on this blog debating this nonsense with you ... I must be an idiot.

Anonymous said...

From Dictionary.com:

noun


1.

Informal. an utterly foolish or senseless person:
"If you think you can wear that outfit to a job interview and get hired, you're an idiot!"


2. Informal. an utterly foolish or senseless person:
"If you think you can motivate a teenage soccer player to get the best out of them by berating them in front of their team and parents, you're an idiot (of a coach) !"


Psychology. (no longer in technical use; considered offensive) a person of the lowest order in a former and discarded classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.

I think the poster was using his choice of words in the sentiment of #1 above and not #2.

If you just replace some of the words you'll have this

Anonymous said...

well that post came out messed up, but I think you get the idea.

Anonymous said...

No. Go back to knowing it all, you made more sence

Anonymous said...

Here's the thing ... What I know is that I don't know it all. I'm still learning and willing and open to see things and hear new ideas about the game.

But these less-than-stellar coaches I write about - the ones I have met that do fit the mold - they do know it all, and they never get tired of reminding you.

See the thing is - when you know it all, there is nothing left to learn. To me, this is not the mark of a good coach.

I don't mean to come across as a know it all. After all, these are just my opinions but if there is any intelligent discussion surrounding them, then I think that's a good thing.

Anonymous said...

Do you coach? If not, step back.

Anonymous said...

Step Back ? Now that is precious, and also once again giving me a case in point to discuss.

You see folks, here it seems we have a coach, or a defender of a coach, applying bully tactics such as step back, as there is no room for any questioning of their methods and/or know-how. Without questions, either self-questioning or from others, there is no growth. And you should ask yourself whether or not you want your child to be coached by someone who won't be questioned or doesn't need or want to grow.

As far as whether or not I coach, I refer you back to my earlier point about Einstein.

The point is, I can see plenty of problems in our coaches today and the system. But seems a little foolish to expect that only other active coaches are permitted to question current coaches - Sounds like a pat-on-the-back, good-old-boys, bull session to me.

People in positions of authority/influence over our kids NEED TO BE QUESTIONED. And they also need to be evaluated often, corrected, guided, mentored and have some measure of quality control imposed on them outside of just the W/Ls they produce. These measurements should be based on their methods, how they perform their training, the way they treat their players, the actaul improvement of the players and how well they adhere to some driving principles of intelligent soccer which would hopefully be set forth by the club, and not just as lip service on the clubs website and club meetings, but actually put into practice. I can't tell you how many times I have heard coaches and clubs say and write they promite the beautiful game and attractive soccer and possession game and playing out of the back, as they are the key buzzwords they need to market themselves. But when push comes to shove, you still find the common practice to be goalies punting, outside backs dumping the ball out of bounds instead of working their way out of trouble with their teammates, players exhibiting control players booting long 50/50 balls upfield whether or not they are under any pressure, instead of controlling and executing a simple lateral or backpass to a teammate you can preserve possession and has more time to move the ball intelligently. W/L IS NOT A GOOD MEASUREMENT FOR YOUTH COACHES - even more so in the younger ages, but still, to a degree at U16, W/L should not be driving factor in coaching. The above are all important considerations in determining how players should be developed.

So coaches and others - Please - if you want to dispute my opinions, by all means go right ahead. But I do question others motives and need to squelch opinions and position themselves in a place where you they better because you they coaching or they have some other reason for defending current coaches.

Anonymous said...

See folks, what we have here is a know it all that makes decisions on the parents sideline. Does not have to worry about feelings, parents, looking good or god forbid win a game. You are a problem.

Anonymous said...

It seems I may be corresponding here with a real live coach.

Regarding your last post, coach or non-coach ... and its good to have this discussion to hear an active coach's point of view ... I'll address what you wrote:

Know it all - i thought we already addressed this. I am still very willing to read, watch and learn. Games on TV. Youth games. But the key is the desire to know more and have more insight about the game is there.

Making Decisions - I make NONE today other than what team my children play on and what insight and advice I decide to give them. If time permitted, trust me, I would be coaching today and in a position to make some decisions.

Feelings - Always take them into account when dealing with kids. Always. Out here, since we are all anonymous, we are not showing anyone up in a public forum. I am free to voice my opinions, which I think is what blogs are for and you are free to argue back. When I speak or write about the quality of coaching in the youth game, if I have caused feelings to be hurt by using terms like idiot and hack, its only due to my frustration at seeing what I see, and experiencing at times with my kids and my passion for this topic perhaps has caused me to go overboard. For that, I am sorry if your feelings were hurt. But for the kids, well feelings, inspiration, love for the game, confidence, optimism, freedom to make mistakes ... these are all things that a good coach should aspire to bring to his players. I feel strongly about that. So when I talk about the things that so many teams are doing wrong, there are ways to correct these things, collectively and individually without being harsh about it. A good coach will know how to impart this.

Anonymous said...

Parents-Free to come and go as they choose. In discussions with them, they need to be respected and their opinions taking under consideration. This does not mean that you do what they want. You try to hear the concerns and establish a plan to get beyond them, which could include giving very specific targets to the player on what is expected. You took the kid. Parents are paying for it. Now you go and coach her and make her better. If it doesn't work out at the end of the year, cut the player. At least you have given your best shot to work with and for the player and perhaps they are just not suited to play at that level. At this age, a lot of these discussions can happen with the player themselves without parental involvement. However, I completely disagree with the approach where the parent is not permitted to speak with the coach, because that is the way it is in college and they are being trained for the college experience. Baloney. Kids are going to need to face a lot of difficulties in their lives. You are their soccer coach. You don't have to become one of them and hide behind your statement of giving them a college experience to justifiy your laziness or your lack of empathy and willingness to really help the player.

Looking Good - What exactly does that mean ? Someone who is concerned more about looking good as opposed to developing soccer talent should not be coaching. Besides, a coach who is able to get their players playing the game intelligently and skillfully will start to look plenty good after a while.

Winning - Winning is important. Development is more important. Learning how to win is part of development. If you develop properly, the wins will come as a by-product. We all want to win. Its a measure of success. It is not the success itself.

I am a problem - I can clearly see I am a problem for you. And this is a good thing. I wish I had the time and resources to become a problem for a lot more to have to worry about. In order to improve anything, you must first recognize there is a problem. My hope is that the parents and system will change enough to gain intelligence to migrate to better coaching, and it this has to happen as a result of a more educated consomer about the game demanding more and better (this is the problem you speak of, I think) from the coaches they pay, then so be it. When change happens, for things that matter, it is usually made when someone or a group of people are not happy with the status quo.

Some of the above may seen harsh - not sure - they are just ideas about soccer coaching. Again, the thoughts are there. Let's get them out in the open.

Some coaches out there must think that there are areas where they can and need to improve as a coach ... aren't there ?

Please ... if there are specifics in the areas you touched on that I replied to where you disagree with me, then let me know. I know these things may not be easy, but they must be tried otherwise I think we fall short.

I know ... get lost ... get a life ... and all those things. I'm going. Bring me back at your own risk ... lol.

Anonymous said...

Amen. Blog on amigo. Blog on. I agree with you on most if not all counts. Right now we are very satisfied with our daughters coach. He checks a lot of your boxes.

Anonymous said...

Coaches, pay attention to what your most recent blogger is saying. Learn from it.

Someone might not like what he is saying, "just a parent making comments" maybe but most of our comments come from conversations with our daughters. Feedback from them which they are afraid to voice to their coaches for fear of being benched.

My daughters HS coach is horrible. girls hate him. He benched our best GK for a big loss. It was all her fault? We won more games with her in goal but he was too blind to see that. He plays (field) a girl who clearly does not belong on Varsity because her parents are the squeaky wheel. If a parent yelled to me(a coach) from the stands, I'd never play the kid. NEVER, even if she was a superstar.

Mine switched teams this year. She likes the HC, LOVES the Asst coach. they LISTEN to and talk to the girls. They don't scream or bark at them. I've talked to other parents and this seems to be how most of the girls feel.

Anonymous said...

new to this got soccer thing. i've never really followed it before. when do got soccer points show up from a tournament? days or weeks after the event?

Anonymous said...

6:06am-new to got soccer? Really?

Anonymous said...

Everyone has their first time for everything they do at least once.

Anonymous said...

i said i didn't follow when gotsoccer was updated. i didn't say i was new to the internet or ignorant people.

Anonymous said...

was it okay that i was here at 11.42pm since 6am was suspicious? LOL

Anonymous said...

It's quite understandable that parents with teenagers have insomnia. Late night. Early morning. What does it matter.

I don't think there was any suspicion over the 6am comment. That's just how we bloggers identify a comment to respond to.

Anonymous said...

Booooooooooooooring

Anonymous said...

How would you like to liven it up ? Did you bring a lampshade?

Anonymous said...

To the hack/idiot coach blogger:
I think we all understand and appreciate the concern you have over your children being short changed by these coaches. I personally feel that your expectations are too high for a soccer coach. These academy guys are all basically running a business and taking advantage of their clients. Call me cynical, but you have to realize that we are constantly being sold their products or their friend products while we are in pursuit of “what?” for our kids. I agree that youth soccer is NOT by any means a perfect system, we are fueling it and making it grow.
While I have a couple of kids who play and have lots of friends whose kids have played with varying degrees of success, for us it is the journey and what you can take away from it. The W/L means nothing. Realize that if you teach your kid anything be it commitment to the team your child is on and her team mates. Teach her to recognize the good from the bad, learn when to stay, and when to walk away. Most important let her learn when an adult really does not have her best interests at heart for that is a lifelong lesson that I think we need to recognize. With my kids who have had dozens of coaches each in various sports, there have only been 3 or 4 coaches who had their best interests at heart. I point this out to them, it is a sad lesson for them to learn, but an incredibly important one and the hacks/idiot out there make it an easy lesson.

Anonymous said...

Best interest = playtime. No one complains when their child is playing.

Anonymous said...

my kid starts and gets a lot of time. i still believe that 24 on a roster is WRONG.

Anonymous said...

How does that answer the question. No one complains when their child is playing. Simple.

Anonymous said...

3:16pm For the most part your comment makes sense, however, my daughter was getting tons of playing time on her former team. But we were both complaining because there was no training, there was no commitment from the club for her particular team, the players on her team itself were not committed to the team and the coach eventually was not committed either, in the long run. We walked away for a better opportunity. Very happy where we are now.

Anonymous said...

3:16. I disagree. Maybe no one you know complains if their kid plays. My kids play. I do not complain about playing time for my kids. But that is like saying, for instance .... I am going on a cruise that gives me a lot of food. But the food tastes like garbage ....

The point, I think you can get, is that it is not about quantity here. It is about quality. Don't get me wrong. Playing time is important. Very important. But this is about so much more than that - its about the quality of the product. More to come.

Anonymous said...

There are many other things I refer to insofar as the coaching deficiencies. These things can be seen in the way kids play, what the coaches say and don't say during games and practices after witnessing certain things. Most of this is not about the physical or the skills. It's about the mental. And these are things the kids should have be trained in and reinforced since u9. The fact that u16 soccer is so bereft of intelligent play, and coaching teaching and demanding it, is a large problem. Its akin to expecting a student to thrive in algebra or geometry without a mastery of basic math. You see there are not only skills fundamental but there a mental fundamentals. Yes .. We do have a few very intelligent teams in our area. And a few others not so bad. And some smarter players scattered amongst the rest of thhe teams. But speaking generally here, the play at this age could be and should be so much better. Even some top ranked teams still struggle. And some of these teams are in respected programs with respected coaches.

Some examples ...
A. To many defenders booting 50.50 balls upfield, or just simply returning the ball to the opponent at midfield, when the defender has time to settle and work for an option where team can keep possession and mount an attack.

B. far too much thoughtless sideline platform all positions. This includes but is not limited to the dump out of bounds by the defender under some pressure, but when there is cover support. If there is no other defenders back, then it might be understandable but u see this far too often. Also, players who try to make a pressured play on the sideline, instead of shielding and letting the ball roll out, when opponent was last to touch the ball.

C. Uninventive midfield and forward play. Lack of off ball movement. Forwards standing and waiting for their long ball to run onto.

D. First touches into pressure.

E. taken on players drilling 1v1 in midfield and defense when there are clear possession passes to make and the downside outcome of the 1v1 far outweighs the upside of beating oponent.

F. Reluctance in general to make the simple lateral or back pass to retain posession and possibly switch play and point of attack, and instead opting to dribble of play a ball upfield directly into pressure.

G. Forwards receiving ball around the midfield from defense or mids and attempting to turn either into a defender or trying to take on two defenders instead of holding up play and waiting for offensive support. There are times when going 1 v1 is a necessity. There are times when it is desirable, like if by beating a player you are in on goal or can penetrate and make a pass. There are other times it is clearly wrong and many our kids don't have a clue.

H. To many Offensive opportunities being laid to waste due to the (perhaps selfish) player shooting on goal from an angle of less than approx 25 degrees. This could be acceptable if it was a breakaway without offensive support in the middle, but in most cases, when that shot goes right to the goalie or hits the side netting, this is a waste instead of shooting far post or getting the ball across thhe goal mouth to a teammate. This is cringe-able.

When these things do happen, here and there you will hear a coach say something corrective. But not nearly enough, and this stuff happens very often on some of the so-called better teams.

As parents, if we become more cognizant of these things as we watch our daughters and their teams play, we might know when we have a good coach or not. A quality coach will not allow the perpetuation so such habits without a real good fight. A player is a measure of their physical abilities, their skills, their heart and many other things. Most often under coached in youth soccer here is the brain.

Anonymous said...

I agree with you 5:39, but I see no solution to the problem. Do any of these clubs have a quality control process.

Any suggestions?

Anonymous said...

539 here. No. I know of no solution that I could implement.

Give me a bunch of money to quit my job and have the wherewithal to form something meaningful ... ah, a pipe dream.

For now, I can identify the problems. That is the first step. If there are enough like minded people, the could start demanded better informed and more well-meaning coaches.

But I do fear that it is our system that sustains itself through the $$ of the parents, as opposed to youth systems around the world where the only way you will get pulled up to a higher level is if someone from an independently funded club thinks you are good enough. Not because you can pay for it. I also believe that within those systems, the dire need to win today does not drive decisions. There is a recognition that their job is to bring along players who will eventually help at a higher level even though they are not able to be of great impact today. I reference my previous remark about the differences between talent identification, talent forecasting and talent development.

Some have said that had Leo Messi come up in the US program, he would have been overlooked. Now I think that is an exaggeration as I can't see anyone missing how special he is or would become. But I think the point is well taken, as in our system, we just care far too much for the present day wins - and we all know why, and we are all part of the problem.

Organized youth soccer in USA is a collection of independently run, for profit organizations who make their profit at the youth levels. Their is no greater vision in the minds of most clubs and coaches. They serve no higher level.

Organized soccer abroad comes from the top down. If your child has talent, the only thing paid is the sacrifice of time and commitment. No money. The money comes from above and the return on that money is only realized by the development of the talent either by way of developing stars that they can sell tickets and merchanidise with, or sell for millions to other clubs. It profit driven, for sure, but it distills and clarifies the decision making processes at the lower levels.

And you can be sure that at these lower levels, they are training the brain as much as the body and skills as that is what they are expected to do and what is demanded of them from the people who pay them.

Sorry - I don't know a better way here, and btw, it will happen for boys before girls, I think. There is more of a push from US Soccer downwards on the men's side. The right ideas are known and implemented at the higher levels in this country. The problem is that we don't have the infrastructure in this game, in this huge, diverse country, to enforce them in the wild-wild west of youth soccer in America. Down here, if you win, all is great, no matter how you win.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Steve.

Anonymous said...

Who's Steve ?

Anonymous said...

A good read for parents and coaches alike. This gives some insight into some concepts I've tried to convey here.

At this link: https://coachalec.wordpress.com/

scroll down about half-way down, you will find an article entitled Rhythm.

What puzzles me is the following:

- Are our coaches watching enough soccer on TV and are they learning from it ? How can our youth coaches not watch high-level soccer on TV. Its quite prevalent today. Easy to find. We are always encouraging the kids to watch, which I think is right. But the coaches - are they watching ?

- For those that are, how can we have such shining beacons such as Barca and several other teams out there and not try to at least emulate what they do. Please let's not get into not having the talent - its obvious that 15-16 year old girls are not going to look like this athletes making millions, but what I would be looking for is they should be trying to play with some sophistication. Its about the intent. And remember, their opposition are other 16 year olds - not million dollar players.

Can we at least make an effort instead of giving in to the forces pulling us in the wrong direction ?

Anonymous said...

My kids have had did watch soccer on TV. I have had conversation about games.

You should ask your daughter's coach if they have a favorite team. Watch the team's games and have a conversation with the coach about it. You can then follow up with a discuss about emulating it.

Anonymous said...

That is one approach to take that might work. But isn't that a little like asking the chef in a restaurant what their favorite dish is, and only after that discussion does the dish appear on the menu.

Just be ready for the answer that you can't make a potable bouillabaisse without quality saffron. In other words, don't expect to play like Chelsea with this group of players. Consider that art instructors do have their students try to copy monet.

Anyway we can have fun with these analogies for a while but the point it that this should come from the coach first, shouldn't it? Otherwise what on earth are they getting paid for ?

Anonymous said...

If your daughter does not know who her coaches favorite professional team is, I would move to another team. It shows a lack of passion that he/she is instilling in the kids. This would be a HUGE red flag to me.

there are some basics that need to be in every cook's broth.

Anonymous said...

Why did Copa play in the lowest bracket of the U17 group at Pa Classics this weekend?

Anonymous said...

College coaches care about U17 games, and U16 games not so much.

Anonymous said...

couldn't have been a very good show for COPA players. 5 and 7-0?

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