Agree with all said by 10:15 above except for PDA South. Some really good players there but team just never quite pulls out a win when they need to. Just lost one of their very best players and their steller goalie. They are on the downslide fast now.
Copa with a new "LOUD" coach and it's working.
I myself am not a big fan of LOUD coaches.So if anything is indeed "working" for Copa, it is certainly not working because the coach is loud, if that is even the case.But what's more important is not how loud it is said, but what it said. I am willing to look past a little volume, as long as the right message, in the right tone is being delivered and having positive results for your daughter and her teammates.
pda OR will fall in this weekend , then what?The current u-15 pda Arsenal and pda Spurs are not even top 10. Hope OR does not follow the same route.Arsenal and Spurs( did even win one game in R1 this past wkd) are off for the rest of Summer.
What tournament is PDA in and can someone provide the link to the brackets/schedules ?
2:25, I agree with you 100%
A couple of comments on posts the past few days. First,regarding the new load copa coach. For me all that matters is how the players are educated it can be at any volume! I know the coach is experienced and I know with new talent will move the team forward. The PDA south and B teams seem to be hot topic in particular their lack of success and schedule. I really don't know how people can't see PDA are creating these teams to generate revenue to off set high expenses involved with ECNL. Think about it! Why have teams all top 10 in the country and then create teams that are top 10 in NJ to water down club reputation?. Also, for those that are going to come back and say "well I would rather be on a PDA B team than a other Academy FC Copa, TSF etc" Well you should rethink. My oldest graduated 3 years ago and was not on PDA and was recruited at the same time as PDA's middle of the pack players were recruited. The reason why she wasn't recruited with their top players is because they were all better players than my daughter. What you need to consider when investing in your daughters future is quality of coach, a coach that has been through the process before and willing to help you through the process away from the game field. Attend a high volume of relevant and quality showcases. You will get this at top Academy A teams with club history in placing players. So in conclusion to both my comments leave the "loud" Copa coach alone as this team will be a superior college showcasing option vs the new PDA B and South team. Crush, JU, Copa, NJ Stallions, Nike Rush will all be stronger teams and programs than PDA B, South and Matchfit NPL. All will see by next May. I know PDA and Matchfit do a great job selling but recommend that if you have a daughter on one of those teams and they don't follow through with what they said this past tryout is get out at U16 to give your daughter a chance to be part of a program that cares
Stallions have lost both star center midfield players. With their entire game revolving around these girls they will not be as strong as PDA South, B or Matchfit NPL..Anybody thinking otherwise would be foolish.
what happened at regions? I can't find the results..
They tied 2 and won 1 with full roster from this year
Results R1 tournament:http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=31922&GroupID=296720&Gender=Girls&Age=14
Is the new princeton team that is now on gotsoccer the old fc jersey team?
Where is PDA for these resgionals ? Someone mentioned they were playing this weekend ... anyone know where ?
Thanks for the region 1 link.. so YMS won.. so thats back to back region 1 titles.. impressive
YMS is a great team and has an impressive resume now. better then any in R1 and top 3 in country. Back to back R1 Titles.
When is the nationals in Colorado?
NJ Rush Soccer Club to hold open training/tryouts for rising U14, U15 & u16 girls teams out of the Princeton/Mercer County area. Tryouts to be held at Plummer Field at Princeton University on Tuesday, 7/16 and Thursday 7/18 from 7:00-8:30pm. Coaches to be Asst Princeton University Coaches Ron Celestin and Esmeralda Negron, and former US Women's National Team player Lisa Gmitter-Pittaro.For details: http://www.njrush.com/index.php/7-front-page-slides/85-nj-rush-princeton-tryouts-7-2013
Congratulation to Jersey United for rank # 1 in the nation. Great job girls.
Yes congrats but seriously how? JU has 6 wins 6 losses and 5 ties in their last 17 matches. Doesn't seem too impressive and doesn't lend itself to calling them number 1 in much of anything.
Rankings mean nothing.. We all know who the quality teams are.. JU will have the same year MF surge did this year.. You get higher in the rankings you play better teams and the truth comes out..
come back when JU beats O'Reilly.....consistently.
I guess the ranking means something, but 6-5-6 record shows me there are at least 11 teams better or as good regionally.
Consistently? How about ever! They couldn't even beat PDA South, how are they going to beat O'Reilly? Got Soccer means nothing and is VERY misleading.
To say gotsoccer means nothing is just a false statement. Of course it means something, it gives you a guide to work off of. It shows you how teams fared against common opponents. It allows tournaments to flight effectively. Without it you would cry for something like it. Does it mean that the #4 team in the region is really that good? Maybe, maybe not, but it does tell you that they are not the #84 team in the region.
#1. Coaches and teams know how to game the system and work hard to get the rankings. Still have to win to get the points, but others like to whine that could be ranked higher if they play more and win more. learn and whep. Go back to sand soccer.
Are the people who say got soccer means nothing looking at got soccer? If so, why?How much do college coaches reference got soccer to see how teams are doing when they have interest in a certain player? Do the use Gs to guide them helping them focus on teams? We all know no system is perfect, Gs not withstanding. But it is what we have. And it is one of our yardsticks.I agree with a few of the previous posts. Ju is not the best team in the country. Not even the state. Top 5 in state...probably. They are a quality team. But not a team that I'd write home about. They've got a lot of work to do. The ranking does tell u that they should be competitive against most very good teams in the state, region and country.All this said, I think ju girls should be proud of it. Right now, they are #1, and while it may be fleeting, they should enjoy it and use it to build on. I think it needs to looked at in the right perspective, but I think only sourpuss, mean spirited, jealous buzz kills want to trivialize it and poo poo it. What about PDA? Why no regionals or nationals for them? They are amazing in that historically they enter about 6 to 8 competitions each year and almost always win or place. That says a lot and the point totals they take are big. Will they continue like this? Some predict they are headed for a decline.
PDA O'reily are in ECNL National finals. They dont need to be on this blog. They are the best u14 in the country.
9:51 - I am not sure about this ECNL thing. Its exclusionary, yet lacking in consistent quality.So I am not sure how much it says to be an ECNL champion because that does not necessarily make you better than non-ECNL teams. This ECNL moniker seems to carry so much cache with so many, but other than charging more $$ and lots of travel, I am not sold that the soccer experience is going to be any better. In the end, you need a good platform, good players and a great coach who is committed to developing the talent he has and nothing tells me that ECNL holds the monopoly in these things.No doubt PDA has been the best or one of the best in the country - O'Reilly I mean. But not every trend continues and sometimes talent levels out, while other teams begin to blossom. There can came a time where what has been superior soccer relative to everything else around begins to be caught up to in talent, and more sophisticated soccer and game intellect. Could be happening now. I am not sure what you mean about PDA not needing to be on this blog .. do you mean the parents ? or do you mean they shouldn't be talked about on this blog ? Do you mean that this blog is only for teams that are not the best U14 in the country ? Not sure, but either way, its irrelevant.To wrap up, O'Reilly deserves all the accolades they get, but this PDA/ECNL snobbery is obnoxious.
PDA is lucky they got the easiest draw in the ECNL nationals.. Just wait until they play De Anza or Solar Chelsea... Big, Fast, and Skilled teams.. 9:51pm post will be eating crow... and I am not saying these are the best teams in the country just teams that will beat them..
No, those teams are not good at all yet you know of them. LOL
PDA won in the first round.I was surprised to see that OR and the u16 team are the only ones in ECNL finals.My daughter has been playing with and/or against OR since she was 10. I honestly don't think they are soccer snobs or obnoxious. They have never been anything but gracious.
PDA has U14,16,17,u18 in finals of ECNL. U18 national were played 2 weeks ago. U12 PDA won the regionals last week. PDA u13 will be playing in the us club finals in two weeks. Sounds like a pretty good club .
What is Freehold Celtic doing with 16K points in the U14 rakings ? Aren't they a U13 team ?
GS is a tool. You need to look at more than just the "ranking".Celtic being listed in U14 is a perfect example of looking further. They probably played up and did well. Same happened with OR last year. MLU is another example. They won a US Club cup regional this year while every other top 10 NJ team was at Delco, PDA or CT. The #5 NYW team they played in the finals has <700 GS points? NJ # 5 has 20k+ points? Huge differences state to state.Agree, OR parents have never been obnoxious. If you talk to them, they are regular people, just like you! LOLAgree, "I am not sure about this ECNL thing. Its exclusionary, yet lacking in consistent quality."All this talk about NPL/2nd teams being a waste of time and money. I like that my daughter has a goal to work towards. SHE is saying how she wants to prove she is better than some of the players they took on the ECNL team that play her position. Competition and bettering yourself? If you don't have goals, what is the point?
^^^^^Remembering where I posted and how quickly things go nasty here, where my daughter falls within these two teams is irrelevant to me.
Does Freehold Celtic belong as posted on the U14 rankings, or is this a mistake ? Still not clear on that. They might have played up and done well, but I don't think the many of those points came against U14 teams. I guess I have to look further, but I think that the only points that should show on U14 for any team/age are those they earned while playing at that age. Otherwise, it is very misleading.Regarding PDA being obnoxious - I am not generalizing about PDA parents. They are probably as good and as nasty as any other set of parents from other teams. I was commenting on the following comment:PDA O'reily are in ECNL National finals. They dont need to be on this blog. They are the best u14 in the country. Whether this was made by a PDA parent or not, my opinion remains as it was before. Whoever made it, it comes across as PDA being too good for this blog
got soccer does that. whatever the reasons I think they are only known to GS.
Where is the EDP NPL winner?2013 NPL Champions Cup - U-14 GirlsFlight ACharlotte United FC (NC) Davis Legacy SC (CA) JFC Elite (FL) NW United FC (WA)Flight BCarlsbad Elite (CA) Chicago Fire Juniors Mississippi (MS) NJ Crush FC (NJ) Tualatin Hills United SC (OR)
PDA / DeAnza final. Should be interesting.
Don't mention PDA on this blog !!!PDA O'reily are in ECNL National finals. They dont need to be on this blog. They are the best u14 in the country.
6:38 Nobody NEEDS to be on this blog. We all choose to be to see what's new in the world of u14g soccer, or to trash other teams/coaches/players or see who is being trashed, etc. etc. etc. lol
8:10: 6:38 was quoting the moronic post from July 11, 2013 at 9:51 PM.
It should be interesting since De Anza is the first real team PDA has faced in ECNL Nationals.. I predict 2-0 De Anza..
How did the #1 team in the country do this weekend? Oh they came 4th at cj invitational...
JU never claimed to be the number 1 team in the country. Got Soccer is an indicator of success, not an exact science. As for last weekend, JU was missing several starters - they will do just fine at U15, especially with the new additions to the team. It is a shame folks cannot be positive on this blog.
1/3 of JU and Copa girls at ODP regional camp over the weekend. Let keep is positive.
1/3? How many are on their rosters? 24? Both teams had 16 players. There is keeping it positive and keeping things honest.
If JU and Copa have 5 (1/3 of 15 player roster) Region I ODP camp players each, that is rather impressive. Both are top teams but I doubt they have 5 players missing this weekend.
The JU girls that were missing were not at ODP. I am not sure why someone not associated with our team would post that...probably so they can reply to themself.
How did NJ do at the ODP regional camp? Anyone selected for regional pool?
JU stop bragging but 4th is not bad
Only 2 NJ girls made regional team. Both from North ODP team.
Congrats to those girls.Any speculation on why the numbers from NJ were so low ? The obvious answer, for those who think things are on the up-and-up, is that the NJ girls were just not as good as those from other states.I think there may be a lot of people with opinions that differ. Just curious if anyone knows/speculates on what factors may be at work here.
MOST (not all) of the top talent in NJ doesn't do ODP. They feel that it is not important any more and that it's more of an outlet for talented girls on town teams and lower ranked club teams.
DeAnza up at the half.Can anyone explain the u15-u17 ECNL National structure? Looks like there are two divisions but the winners of both don't square off?
Other states play and have some very good players too. 2 players might seem a little lite, 13 states. PA has 6 players, but a much better and well respected ODP program.
As a Copa parent with a friends on JU, Matchfit and PDA I can inform you that all comments above are inaccurate. First neither JU or Copa claim to be a top 20 team in the country. Both teams have improved their rosters and have high quality coaches and are clubs with growing college recruitment history. Along with Matchfit they have exciting times to come. The ODP comments are totally inaccurate also I don't know where people are getting their information. People will stoop low to create a false representation of many teams JU, Copa and from what I have read this past month Matchfit are taking the brunt of jealous soccer moms. I was informed the STA coach dropped his low standards as a person even further calling out JU for playing ineligible players as the game was about to kick off. After a additional player check and proven wrong STA loses 1-0 and the coach loses respect of his players and parents. We were waiting for a stunt before our game later the afternoon. There was no stunt but it looked like instruction to his team was "hurt as many Copa girls as you can" I blame the referee more than the coach for not stopping the violence. I can see why the top players in this club always look for pastures new. These instances are other examples of town teams trying to keep academies down The PDA OR bashing is pathetic also. They are clearly the best team in NJ and I don't understand the hate. Congrats to my little girl on a tournament win this weekend. I hope we can start reading positive stories on the blog, if not now maybe at U15
pda players saying they have too many players, 24. 24 rostered, only 20 traveled to Richmond and 2 of those where not allowed on bench and could not be in uniform. Only 18 for game day roster, doesn't really matter b/c only 13/14 players play all game.
De Anza Force National Champions 3-1 over PDA
4:51 - is a CRAZY Soccer Mom!!!!!
Well her post would have been beautiful... about not trashing and staying positive, only stating the truth if she then didn't turn around and negatively trash the STA coach... whose side of the story is probably very different than hers.
408. ... What is the point with your comment? It doesnt answer the question posed and only comes across as someone trying to lessen what others are involved in. Do u tell your friends that their car is not quality and most people in town are driving bmws? What is your purpose other than to degrade others?On another note,I always thought sta was a well coached team and never perceived them as dirty.
Mighty pda goes down. O'Rielly gets blown out. Nice vacation to the ugliest city besides Baltimore on East Coast for 5 days. Wow , wouldn't want to be any of those players that didn't play much either. And imagine not even being allow to put on uniform or even sit on bench. $$$$$$$
I don't find the comment at 4:08 offensive at all. The question was ... why wasn't NJ better represented more in the regional pool? The answer is because the best players in NJ generally (not all) don't do ODP because they get enough recognition from their high profile clubs. The post also stated that it's an outlet for TALENTED girls from town teams and lower profile clubs to get recognized. Sounds pretty positive to me.Also... congratulations to OR for an amazing season. One true loss for an entire season is quite impressive.
What we have on this blog are some O'Reilly groupies. The last post and several others before it reek of that.Then we have some O'Reilly haters. Not sure why. Mostly jealousy probably. Like the useless post about 24 players and only 22 can travel and only 18 can dress. It is true, but what good is it doing anyone to post that. You have to give credit to the team for being so good, although some of the people that do sing their praises do, as I say, come off as demeaning and obnoxious, as if the ECNL path and the O'Reillys of the world's #@$$ don't stink. It's rarely ever the team or the girls that are obnoxious - it's usually the parents.O'Reilly has been a great team, and I believe they will continue to be. However, I do predict that there will be some other teams in this age in NJ that will equal or surpass the O'Reilly in the coming years.Since we've already established that the rankings do not tell all, when I say surpass, I mean in player development and quality of play. The only way it could possibly be measured is through competition, but that is not easily had when you have exclusionary policies. Being in ECNL, I believe, will expose you to some great competition, but you're also missing out on more of it by going that route. But some people decided that it was worth the extra $$$ for the experience, that includes a significant amount of travel. Is it really worth it ?I guess 5-10 years from now we will be able to look back, if we are even interested at that point, and see what clubs the top colleges pulled from, and if the league is still around, what clubs did the girls that play in the women's league play at.
I am very thankful my children are healthy enough to play soccer or any sport of their choosing on a team where they actually like the kids, enjoy the sport, have a coach who is a role model, and have fun while they are still kids. Anything else is just let’s say something that adults think they should be interested in. These things are college scholarships, bad ref calls, state cup matches, winning the league, etc.When my daughter lost a state cup game recently, I asked her how she felt about it. She said “It is just another soccer game. “ There is some wisdom in what she said that I hope many of the readers and writers of this blog can take it to heart.
I don't think anyone is PDA bashing or picking on one team. I think people post claims of being #1 and it just gets under peoples skin. There is always someone better no matter what you do in life and its wise to realize it.
As a Copa parent I thought the (STA) game was played fair and both teams played hard. Copa was team that received a yellow card during play so ...but overall a good game and congrats on winning tourney girls.
That is a great sentiment. As long as PDA parents realize it as well.My daughter is on a good team. Probably will never be ranked #1 in state. If a team, like JU is ranked #1, there is actually no disputing it. It is a fact. They are ranked #1. It is mathematic by points they have accumulated. It is an accomplishment. Period.Does that mean they are best in country - no and far from it. Are PDA a better team. Absolutely. I would think most people know this. Does that mean that JU parents and players shouldn't be proud ? Absolutely not.On the other side, if a JU parent or anyone else decides to comment on JU being #1, should that post warrant a PDA parent or groupie putting people in their place. I think not.BTW - I do like the 725 post. The only one thing I will say ... while it is probably healthier to let go of disappointments more quickly, there is the position that for someone to become a great player, they need to drive to succeed personally and as a team. This doesn't always coincide with being able to easily swallow defeat.The perfect scenario is if the player is driven like mad in training and on the field, but win, lose or draw, is able to be satisfied as long as they are happy with their effort, but if not, recognize it, and work on it and come back stronger and better the next time.Let them find their own formula for soccer success.Personal opinion - I don't think you need to have a girl that becomes angry and miserable after a loss or bad game for her to become a great player.
Just another comment on only 2 NJ girls being selected for this year's ODP regional team: Many NJ girls that had been on the regional team last year attended the camp again this year. They were not selected. Not sure why. I know my daughter said that she didn't think any of the regional coaches "that mattered" (her words) EVER looked at her team during the camp. Therefore no one on her team was ever called to the pool. This is unfortunate as I know some of those girls are very good players. This leads me to believe, maybe right, maybe not, that a lot of the pool players were already determined prior to this camp taking place.Yes some girls who are on the ECNL teams didn't come out again as they have another venue to flourish, and just because the girls attending this camp may not be on a PDA or ECNL or whatever perceived "top" team doesn't mean that they are less talented. It is simply an opportunity for them to have a chance at being recognized for their talents that they may not get on their club team. No one should be disparaged for attending or thought of as the second tier of talent now that all the "good players" are on other teams and don't need ODP. That is NOT the case.Whatever. She enjoyed her time there and said she got some really great coaching.
July 15 @ 4:51 sounds like a disgruntled JU parent ( who must have previously played for STA) pretending to be a Copa parent just to take a cheap shot at the STA coach. Everyone knows JU brings "stacked" guest players to tournaments in order to collect points. ( # 1 in the country with less then a 50% wins ratio speaks for itself) There is nothing wrong with reminding he ref that he is supposed to check the girls cards to ensure everything is appropriate. It normally happens automatically. Fort Dixx refs leave a lot to be desired. STA's long standing coach has never been accused of any such nonsense as this one wacko describes. Congrats to JU for collecting even more points this weekend as a "SEMI-FINALIST". Another 690 points to the pile.
Don't forget.... "USE YOUR ELBOWS!"
JU never uses guest players. Sometimes, JU allows players from the club team to have an opportunity play with the ASL team. No one from the outside has ever played with JU other than 1 player in a 2012 tournament. JU has a number of very good players joining for next season. Looking forward to it.
JU wins and others get upset. College coaches come to ranked team's games. Just because JU is fully playing the system doesn't mean you have to get upset. It will be ok.JU doing what is best for them and it seems to be working.
Are the new players playing with them now? For the summer?
Some last weekend for the first time although other players were missing. None for the rest of the summer. New team begins in October. The new players will add quality, consistency and enable the team to better compete against regional and national teams.
Do you know where they came from? Just trying to see what the fall will be like. Which teams will be stronger and which teams will be weaker etc.
Stallions and NJ Fusion
2:08 are you saying where the players came from or which teams will be weaker or stonger?
Both I suppose, assuming the teams they come from will now be weaker..... which I know is not exactly how it works necessarily.
Sorry, that is where they came from. I have no idea whether those teams will be weaker.
The reality is JU is #1 based on a flawed ranking system but kudos to them and their coach playing every weekend to get more points...however the other reality is that JU only has 2 good players, big defender and #11 a forward.Both girls should be at PDA and without them JU is average...too many players held back in this age group on false promises by clubs...why hold them back coach?PDA O'reilly is the best team in the region for a reason and the 'best' players should be given a chance to play there and explore the opportunities given to them...
Wrong again. O'R got beat pretty easily last week. Sure O'R would like those players and a few more from JU #1 or even top players on some other well respected teams. Not sure which of the current 24 roster players go bye bye at O'R. But just Imagine. A few other top teams pick-up some impact players and all is even at less cost. Funny how academies always want or attract better players that were developed by others. Hmm.....
They will just add to roster and compete for playing time. Team is allowed to have a max of 30 players. My girl starts so not really worried, but we could always use the money.
JU having a tough 1st game at the National tournament.http://soccer.sincsports.com/TTSchedules.aspx?tid=USCLUBI&year=2013&stid=USCLUBI&syear=2013&div=U14F01
What is JU doing at Nationals? They did not win their league or state or .....anything substantial. What gives? Long way to travel for a blow out.
Yms is better than PDA. Thoughts? Love the last post.
Both teams are very good. PDA is deeper but the most recent results suggest yms has the upper hand. I see the sta coach had some posts. Are they losing more players again the year? MF should be really strong next season. I am anxious to see how they do and I hope they do well. Bec and Crush may be a notch lower with some of their losses. If ju added some quality players they may be more consistent. PDA impact looking good. Any new additions at rush or sje? The more competition the better. Should be some great soccer ahead.
PDA lost ONE game. So they are 200 -1. And yes, I know I am exaggerating. Who did Crush lose players to? I know MF but who else? I thought they picked up some BEC girls.
Yms beat PDA twice and tied once. The top players from bec went to mf and ju. Their best player went to a New York team, maybe World Class.
I can't figure out where the clowns on here are figuring anything promising for mf. I've heard they are some toms river match fitters plus Marlboro plus njx plus bec plus what else. I think the components of the team have not accomplished anything substAntial being on the old teams, save tr before mf got their claws into them. Bring a bunch of players together most of whom have played the game without soccer smarts for years, and you add in the less than average coaching of the mf crew and why would anyone expect positive outcomes? It's gonna be interesting to see what happens with this circus of parents once they start witnessing the underwhelming performances themselves. They'll probably beat up on the lesser teams in ecnl, and we all know there are plenty of them, but when they face off against well coached and more developed opponents, you will see a lot of 2-0 losses.
PDA IS 0-2-1 AGAINST YMS, that would be no wins. Looks like O'R will fall into the same trap as Arsenal. A slow spiral downward because there is no development just additions from other teams that developed them. pda should give deep discounts to players that are on roster but do not play or rarely see the pitch.
JU which is ranked #1 in the Nation, gets beat badly by a team ranked #128 in the nation by Got Soccer.It seems obvious that Got Soccer is worthless when it comes to National rankings.
JU is playing without many starters and are using players from their club team.
LoL... Sure sure JU parent! Everyone that works all year to make it to Nationals then decides to leave their starters at home and bring their Rec teams instead. Your performance there is not a direct reflection of your win ratio at all. LOL indeed.
Did Crush Charge (U15 this year) really lose players to Match Fit?Was it for more PT?Thanks.
JU has 4 starters at College ID Camp.at least JU is still playing. O'rielly making up excuses for their lost and are still shell shocked. Talking about shells, how is the shell finding during sand soccer.
Done bashing MF now start focusing on JU. Who next?
@ 3:34. College ID camp at 14 over attending their first National tournament? Really, who's coming up with these excuses? The drunken coach?
I know i know, I forgot about the pda showcase when college coaches were fighting each other to get a spot sitting on the sides lines. The Cops were called and only coaches from 2 schools allowed to watch. It was posted back in April. NJ tech shows up for all pda events.
No one from JU is writing on these blogs. You are putting garbage in here and replying to it with more garbage. This happens to other teams too. People need to get a job and a life. I feel bad for you.
All of pda O'Rielly attending ID Camp at West Chester College. Top choice of most players.
I just saw that the u16 in the fall NJSA team is now NJ Rush. Is this new news? That's interesting. Do we still have a u15 NJSA team?
It is called West Chester University. Hasn't been college for YEARS.
Does it really matter?
if it didn't they would still be WCC.
Just read this on the JU websitehttp://jerseyunited.com/Default.aspx?tabid=190088&mid=216088&newskeyid=HN1&newsid=15087&ctl=newsdetailStinks of desperation and lets not forget the #1 team in the country came 5th out of 6...keep guzzling that coolaid and paying your $$$s
Congrats to Linden for making it to the finals of the Premier Division of the US Club Finals. Congrats also to Crush for making it into the semi-finals of the NPL Nationals. Congrats to PDA for making it to the finals of the ECNL Nationals. Good luck to YMS at Nationals as well. Good luck to the MF u16 and u17 at Nationals.. as well as the PDA teams and the u16 Toms River Team. You all represent NJ... make us proud. Too many finals. No one can really claim that they are the nations best!
Why desperation for ju?I am not a fan. I give them credit for gaining enuf pts for top spot, but why desperation? Seems like someone has axe to grind. Again....I think they are an ok team that needs a lot of work. I read the article. Desperation?
JU Propaganda is hysterical. They emphasize that they barely lost to Libertyville ("last kick of the game") and to "state champ" Pride, but gloss over the 5-1 blowout against #128 Sockers (IL). An there was no mention of their missing Stars players who were all at college ID.
10:38 sounds like a desparate loser without a life (and perhaps jealous with their own situation) so focuses on girl's youth soccer. i have seen this pattern of behavior in the past. that is too bad. i have nothing to do with any nj team but i will say that the sockers will likely be the one of the best, if not the best team in the country. this is a new squad and they will rival pda and d'anza force.
Top 20 next year1. Pda ecnl2. Mfit ecnl3. crush4. Ju5. Copa6.Rush7. Bec8. Pda south9. Pda north10. Rage11. Sj barons12. Tsf13. Sta14. Tbaa15. Mt laurelIn any order16-20 linden, fc magic, jet, millstone, what is left of mboro and njx11. Mfit npl12. Tsf13.
You left out NJSA (who will actually be fairly strong) and to rank Marlboro in the top 20 when they don't even have a team is interesting.
Njx and Bec are done too. And you ranked Tsf twice.
And fc magic is now PSA premeir
Refer back to July 18 11:39 post. I don't see how anyone can predict positive things for mf ecnl. I actually give their npl team a better chance of being a top 15 team than I give their ecnl team in being a top 10 team. Good chance neither will happen, and u can see my reasoning in the previous post. I can't envision either cracking top 25 in country, and if ecnl tries to flight themselves too high too early based on the mf name, they could see some embarrassing results. The interesting thing will be to see how all the personalities and politics play out when the team does not have success. There needs to be a complete cultural overhaul, on and off the field, for this team to have success. Who is the coach and will he have the quality, strength and fortitude to pull this off? If he does, you will have a lot of mf parents on the sidelines scratching their heads wondering .... So is this what soccer is supposed to look like?
Agreed. Njsa should be on the list around 10, if they play enough. Ju should not be nearly that high. Oreilly will not be tops, neither in points or quality, there are a few teams out their that have potentially better trajectories. Can't see rage near the top. And the PDA north team is a bit of an unknown quality, much like mf teams, but I give PDA better chance at working with their given talent than I would mf.MF - Money First.
didn't NJX crash too? heard NJSA having 2 teams next year?
Marlboro & FC Magic are no longer.
NJX was a Matchfit take over club. It did not sit well with many of the people on the U14 team. MF were heavy handed with the club at a parent meeting, telling them their kids could not play other sports. Many went hunting for other options.
It looks like from a points perspective Copa will be ranked 1 in November.PDA and JU will lose a substantial amount of points in the fall which means Copa will pull ahead by November.Matchfit will need time to collect points, but with the momentum the other teams have at the moment it is doubtful they can break into the top 5. Matchfit will of course come out of their tournament as the winner. They always set up the flights so that is a given. The state cup final points will not be available until June. Copa comes ahead due to the fact that they play so many tournaments in the summer.That is if you use Got soccer for ranking the teams.
all MF need is one good summer just like Copa.
agree with 11:57 MF is money firststill won't give refund for players that had to accept in 24 hours then got the real deal and pulled out
Mf may set their flights because they have pull, but if they put themselves in brackets that they will be able to win or place, these will have to be lower brackets, so the points will come slowly for them, although starting with none, they will have no deductions based on 20 pct rule. They will not succeed in higher lever brackets. Not yet and perhaps not ever. Some people want to bestow a significant amount of unwarranted crediability to this team.
They have to give the money back. All the consumer has to do is call their CC company and tell them they didn't receive the service/product and they wont get paid.
Someone very high up on Matchfits girls side has been offered a very lucrative opportunity. Will he accept or stay with Matchfit?
Who will be left that knows how to develop players? Why did the affiliation with Chelsea end?
7/25 at 5:59 - how could you possibly know how lucrative an opportunity someone at MF received ?
Anyone check out US Youth Soccer Nationals. PA team YMS Xplosion in finals. Too bad that the best 20+ clubs are in ECNL. They can have CFL and not NFL of soccer.
Anyone check out the US Youth Nationals. Penn team YMS Xplosion is in finals. Anytime that team plays real competition, they lose. Too bad the US Youth Nationals are the CFL and the ECNL Nationals are the NFL of championships. 20+ best clubs in country play ECNL. All others, 2nd best.
not sure why 9:43 ruins for all ecnl teams/clubs /players/parents. My daughter plays ecnl and enjoys the competition, but knows there are a lot of very good teams out there. Parents like 9:43 make us all look bad, just hope he is not on our team, but he might be.
Sounds a bit arrogant. Why did you feel the need to give us this superiority laden posting, 9:43 ?
Parma U14 gets awarded almost 1500 points in Got Soccer for coming in last place for EDP. How did they EARN those points? They came in dead last and they only had one goal all season.Does anyone see anything wrong with awarding points for non-performance?
YMS must of just been lucky to win state cup, Region 1, and make the final in Nationals. Ya that's it.. Just plain luck.. Your team should be so lucky... MF parent here that played them in a friendly before they left for Nationals. YMS was a class act and even made an event out of it for both teams to enjoy.
did anyone get to see games at MSSL/MAPS CAPS this weekend?
yms TOP CLASS team
I'm with you, 11:33. There are some ECNL involved people who for some reason feel the need to convince the rest of us that they are in the biggest, best, newest and classiest cruise ship. And flaunt something (that doesn't warrant flaunting) in everyone's face whose daughters are not on an ECNL team. Why - I don't know why they feel the need to do this, but psychologically, some say, the more you brag, the more you are compensating for something.9:53 - I also agree with you, even if you are the same person as 11:33. There is something wrong with that system.
If you just totally ignore such posts, they won't post. Only want the attention to make themselves feel better about either their less than stellar daughter or their own less than stellar choices for their daughter. Someone posted the other day that Rush had taken over the u15NJSA team. I also see they took over the u13 Hamilton team which was pretty good. They are sweeping through and taking over a lot of teams.
Rush has done a great job with marlton.Not sure about the rest of the ages. If a club like rush or mf or whatever does not have a consistent philosophy and style of play that flows through all of their coaches and age levels, then it is basically hit or miss with the coach assigned to the age group in question. Don't get me wrong. There are some good ones out there. But if the only constant from age group to age group is the way they know how to take your money, and not in what they are giving back for the money, and if one coach, if there is even a good one there, will make or break the experience, then think 2x. How does the club differentiate themselves on the positive side?
heard some talk in the lot at Hammonton this past weekend of the PSA Premier being an upcoming talented team , didn't seem to do so well and were in 2nd bracket group,any thoughts?
I hear 4 teams and 6 coaches left njdynamo since Spring. What is happening in Flanders?
Happy U15 girls.Good luck to all the girls who are going to play in HS this fall !May they all find some way to have that questionable experience make you better/stronger players.
Yep, YMS got lucky. Just like the times they beat O'Reilly. LOLYour daughter's team ever beat O'Reilly or YMS? Don't think any NJ team can say they have done either. Yes, good luck to the HS girls! It's amazing how much more political it is. It's like ECNL. Some get to ride along because their sister was a great player. No two kids are the same.
9:34 This "questionable experience" you mention in fact DOES give the very good players that get ignored by their club coaches, (for all the wrong reasons, mostly political) the ability to shine and build their confidence when they are valued by their high school coach/team.Every high school experience is not the same for all. Some schools have very strong teams with good coaching. Most if not all the girls play on strong club teams in these instances. Don't knock it.
They can. I would suggest playing a different position then they normally play. They can learn to see the field differently and learn other skills.
I do not think the players or the players parents get to pick to play another position. It is a coaches decision, not the players.
Questionable:- will HS help improve my daughter's game ?- does the HS coach know enough about the game, or is he/she just another clown working with soccer-stupid ideas ?- how much will my daughter's team be OVERTRAINED ? How many injuries will result from this ?- will the experience of playing with her classmates balance out the potential negatives ?- how bad will the quality of play be, both on my daughters team and on the opposition ?These are only some of the reasons I call this a questionable experience.As far as a child being ignored by her club coach, if the belief is that the child should play regardless of quality (that is food for another discussion), then what makes you think that an idiot HS coach is going to see anything different than the idiot club coach ? What one person perceives as good coaching, another one does not. I think there is a lack of good coaching all around, and most people are not yet astute enough to recognize it, so I don't expect Joe Blow, the science teacher, turned HS coach, to earn a few extra dollars, who has gone through the mandatory licensing, but in the end is going to be judged by how many wins his team gets and is intent to play rock-em, sock-em, route 1 soccer ... I don't expect Joe or Jane to bring any substantial soccer value to my daughter.Alas, she wants to play, and her team has shut down with the rest of them, so I absolutely hope for the best for her and her teammates, and maybe, just maybe, I will be proven wrong (and I will be happy to admit it) and this could be a will be a good soccer experience.
So the one new MF team has 28 players and 3 goalies. Wow! That's a lot of CA$H for the club. How much playing time will these girls get?
Must be some YMS parents out here. No respect for that team even from NE PA teams. Dirty, elbows and hands in the back style. No skill but dump and run with mouthy coach. first hand exp. Let's see where it gets them in the next couple years. Fading fast.
So politics in high school ball. How does that work. From what I have heard, parents cannot go near a coach or send e-mails. What kind of politics are we talking about ?
Whomever said they thought PDA was going to lose quality was very wrong. Looks like two of the girls they picked up are on the National Team, both coming from PA teams. I wonder where the girls they cut went? B team?
Season has not started yet and heard one of mf ecnl left team due to promises made and not kept.
How much time has transpired, what games have been played so that people have had a chance to evaluate whether MF promised have been broken or not ? What kind of promises can be broken before the team has even played a game ?
I feel sorry for the kids and the parents on the MF team. You really do not know at a tryout how it will turn out and if it will be worth the extra time, money, and effort.Do they make all 28 come to all the games/tournaments?
Heard same thing. They told them one thing from DA to get their non refundable deposit. they where told would play fifty percent of all games had a few practices and then was told three keeppers on rooster. She did not make list for first tourney. No heads up from coach before list came out. No loyality there. Also heard coaches from other states academy teams who have seen her play had great feed back on her. Was watching her play last year in Boston and heard players from other team ask her to join their team , mf lost.
These new mf ecnl and npl teams have already competed in tournaments? At u14 or u15? Where and how did they do?
This is all hogwash. If she is that good, she would be playing. End of Story.
Absolutely. Playing is the name of the game.Be real folks, if not top 12 or 13, go play in games elsewhere.Coaches /clubs make lots of promises, but when it all comes down to playing time, only the better players actual play most of the game. I know my daughter starts, and if a coach pulled her because they are winning by too much, she would be extremely upset, like wise on the chance they are losing by a few. She must play every minute of every game, or she will leave. With so few games now, she lives to play in games.
Hogwash is 28 kids on any team.
28 on a team, only the parents are to blame.
Concerning the parent's fault-Do you really think that only the parents are to blame? Wouldn't it be much better if there was a hard limit at 18?After the tryout, paid your deposit, and they add 10 more over the next couple of months. At this point in time, when tryouts are over - what do you do as a parent? Do you wait until 10 get seriously hurt?
You went to MF, now deal with it. This isn't a secret that they do this, it is your fault.
can anyone explain to me what the point of rostering more than 18 is other than making money for the club? if money is your answer, please do not comment. what reasoning is there to have so many players not playing. yes, training is important but so is game experience. can't get it if you ain't playing.I really would like to hear an educated answer.
"So politics in high school ball. How does that work. From what I have heard, parents cannot go near a coach or send e-mails. What kind of politics are we talking about ?"now that is funny. the same parents that are up the club coaches butt are also up the HS coaches butt. if it is a rule, no one enforces it.
From what I see, it is the parents of the upper classmen that think they can control the coach. They are only fooling themselves.
For 2:12 - (and just because I am writing this doesn't mean I agree with it) ...More players absolutely mean more money for a club/coach. No two ways about it, unless the coach/club is working off a flat rate and when a 19th player comes on, each player pays 1/18th less. But I have never heard nor seen of this kind of arrangement.One thing more players adds to is competition for playing time. Ultimately, this is used as a tool to better each player by encouraging them to work harder to maintain their time or get more. This is what happens in the pros and serious coaches here use it at well. Again, I am not saying I agree or disagree with this, but I do believe it has the desired effect. And if it does push your daughter to work harder and become better as a result, as long as the coach is fair in seeing her improvement as warranting more time, then I think a parent should accept it as well.The problem here all stems from money. when they use this in the pros, they are using it on athletes that are paid. Here, we are paying. So we have player A averaging 75 minutes a game paying the same price as player B averaging 20 minutes a game paying the same price as player C, who sometimes doesn't even dress for games or tournaments. Now I think what the hard-boiled insensitive types on this blog are saying is that you should know your own daughter's level, and know the setup of a club (in this case MF), and need to accept that arrangement, where your daughter will only get playing time if her level of play warrants it, and not because you are paying 3K plus per year. They will simply say your daughter will get playing time by getting better or moving to a lesser team. No one wants to hear this, but I think it is the way things work. Some people, probably those with kids who do get the lion's share of time, have not yet developed the sensitivity and empathy to not come across as so harsh and entitled.
Revenue generating for players 18-24 plus. Simple as $$$. Look at it as the coach giving himself a raise, but making the others feel good for not uping the fees.
In addition to money, the reason for larger rosters are 1. Competition for playing time raises individual level of play. 2. Injuries. 3. More and further travel that some players may not be able to afford.In the end however, if a club lost money with each added player, then the rosters would not be so big.
Not sure if the roster needs to be 28 to overcome these issues:Most players who wind up not getting game time initially - will since the competition is tough at the higher levels and the amount of it causes injuries.Also, on those large roster teams several players will come out of high school with injuries. They will play all sorts of teams and some will use their physical strength to make up for the lack of skill. If your kid is a striker/goalie they are a prime candidate for injuries.In the case of MF - if any of what was written on this blog was half true, the roster must have been in a state of flux and they signed up lots of players to make up for it.Coaches have said to me, in order to get better, the player needs to play - pure and simple. Competing for game time is a lot of BS and if that is what they think they need to do as coaches to get the most out of their players - look elsewhere. Why are talented younger players loaned out in the pros?Also if they hog the players... their competition does not get them either.
All this talk of MF. In the end, they are just not going to be very good.
Competing for playing time is a motivational tool, based on real-world, adult realities. Its just like a job being offered to the better candidate, while the others have to keep looking or accept a lesser offer.The problems that I think a lot of us see in swallowing this:- as the previous poster wrote, players need to play to get better- Parents are paying for their kids not to play- they are still developing as players and and they are children, and we don't need to force feed life's lessons to them needlessly. They can and will get them in time, through plenty of other channels.We exist in a warped youth soccer system where what some right-minded people perceive is right and just and fair is consistently outweighed by politics, money and an adult-driven need to win, which impacts decisions that would normally be very different if it was only the child's desire to win we were dealing with.This system only exists because we have to pay money to have our kids play at a high level. Typically, the higher the level, the more the money. If funds were available to find and develop youth players, as it is in other countries, at least for men, then what you would find is that no team is going to take on, keep or promote a player to a higher level, when they are spending money to develop that player. Also, no (non-1st level pro) (developmental) team is going to make their decisions on who plays how much based on getting wins or standings, as these result based things often come at the expense of the development of the players, which is their goal. Here, money purifies the equation, and while you can still have people mis-judge talent, you will at least have the decisions being made based on how do they develop as much talent as we can, and as well as they can, so that the talent either complete for them at the highest level or they can sell the player to another team. Those players that a club believes can't succeed or compete at a higher level will not be promoted, or be released to look for his soccer elsewhere. Here, there will still be fighting for playing time, but at least there is no money being paid to sit on a bench.To the other point about playing making you better, I agree, but playing without motivation may minimize the degree of improvement that the extra play is supposed to provide. You need to have motivated players, and while money is a factor in larger rosters, the added competition to motivate can be perceived (probably should be perceived) as a good thing.
and New Jersey Youth Soccer jumps on the band wagon:U8 to U10 - small sided, 14 player roster, 20 roster spots, $135U11 & U12 - 8v8, 14 player roster, 20 roster spots, $135U11 & U12 - full sided, 18 player roster, 24 roster spots, $165u13 to U19 - 22 players, 28 roster spots, $185Roster more kids than can dress so kids DO NOT PLAY.
One of my Mega Million dreams...build my own complex and start my own "academy". Charge half what the academies are charging with 18 player rosters and kick their butts!!
4:06 -Good thoughtful post.Competition for game time is great. You can have competition for game time with 18 or 20. But 28? Really think about it.
For all the MF bashers on this forum who need to get their facts straight before they write such rediculus statements...NO there is not 28 players on the U15 ecnl roster. I should know as my daughter is on the team. Kinda funny reading all these posts on here from people who have no clue but would rather stir the pot instead. Not even close to 28!!!
406 here again. With 28, you are not only competing for game time ... you are competing to wear the uniform. Don't get me wrong - I don't like these high numbers.What I do like is:a) finding a way to invert this warped soccer pyramid we have and turn it on its head ... I am not that smart or powerfulb) I have had the same dream as 523, many times .. but even in our own perfect world, we would do something to give others reason to complain. I will never begrudge a soccer professional trainer/coach/org from making a living doing what they do. They have expertise and are adding value (in my mind, actually, most of them add a lot less value than many people given them credit for, because they really don't understand how to teach the game ... and you can see this in just watching the style of play of so many of these so-called high level teams) ...but when they do add value, they deserve what they earn. The problem is their salaries are being funded from the bottom, instead of the top. Here, our system has so much profit being made at the bottom. In other countries, where there is significant profit being made at the top, that profit is used to fund development. Anyway .... we need a revolution. We all just need to band together and REFUSE TO PAY, putting the system into paralysis. In order to play travel soccer in this country, you pay a flat fee to a central governing board that allocates monies accordingly to approved organizations who will run the clubs. These clubs WILL NOT collect any money from the parents except for tournament fees and other expenses that are pass through and do not go into their pockets. These people will earn salaries, but will make no profit. (This is un-American, for sure). Kids who want extra training can find that private trainer or clinic, and there you can find your extra revenue for training.There are probably already 2000 problems with my idea. But what the heck .. you gotta start somewhere.Youth soccer in USA has to be a billion dollar industry. Long before I was involved, it started on this trend. Admittedly, I've done my share to sustain it. How do we get away from it. Curious ... do youth football, basketball, baseball have so much money involved ? Hockey probably.
until we stand up for our kids, the madness will continue.the only way it will stop is if we refuse to pay and people with good resumes step up to coach.
10:55 YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! There ARE 28 rostered to the NPL team. How is that fair?
Many other youth sports have good parent coaches to a certain level. What went wrong with soccer is that it did not have a base of parents who could coach at a high level or even at the young ages. They needed to hire a trainer to teach the game. It was not an American sport.People have commented that once our kids grow up and they can start coaching at the early ages, the business which exploits this opportunity will continue.I tend to agree with this idea, but we need to put the idea in our kids heads that this is the transition that needs to occur. Otherwise our grandchildren and their parents will continue to be exploited in the name of high level soccer.
1055 your right , the number is down to about 22-23 , they are dropping like flies and counting
From the post ...People have commented that once our kids grow up and they can start coaching at the early ages, the business which exploits this opportunity will continue.I think you meant "until" instead of "once" ....IF so, I do think this could help matters. And you are right as far as not enough Americans knowing the sport. Foreign sport or not, my experience is not that Americans can't grasp the games nuances. It is more that they won't, due to stubborness and a desire to have immediate impact on the outcomes of games, and this just won't get it done in soccer. Most American coaches tend to speak in absolutes .. never pass the ball back to the goalie, never in the middle, ball must always go outside and come back in from the corner ... and so on. What American youth soccer coaches need to focus more on is increasing comfort on the ball, desicion making and understanding game situations. If enough of our kids learn this, then they will be able to impart it. I'm just not confident enough of them are learning it.
poster 1214pm , Team is not that strong, and from what I see and hear, certain parents are getting promised spots (kid) who do not deserve to be on the field with either team !
Commenting on: "Foreign sport or not, my experience is not that Americans can't grasp the games nuances. It is more that they won't, due to stubborness and a desire to have immediate impact on the outcomes of games, and this just won't get it done in soccer." American parents you mention will become rare. Have you ever gone to a Barcelona game here? Just imagine if the attitude of those attending are the "Americans"? I think they understand the nuances of the game. America as a country is becoming more diverse and that being said should change the soccer culture as they become more of an economic force. Watch the impact they have as they move to the suburbs.
so does this: poster 1214pm , Team is not that strong, and from what I see and hear, certain parents are getting promised spots (kid) who do not deserve to be on the field with either team !apply to the ECNL or the NPL team?since someone here says they have a child on the team.what are the real numbers?I hear ECNL 2 keepers/25 field and NPL 3 keepers/24 field.
still enough players for 3 teams.
11:07 ... I watch Barca a lot, but have not been fortunate enough to go to a game.As far as your prediction, all I have to say is ... From your finger tips to the soccer gods ears, if you get my drift.I just don't know if it is going to be that easy or that quick. Don't get me wrong ... I think we have grown in leaps and bounds as far as being an educated soccer public, in watching MLS, foreign leagues and USMNT and WNT. But knowing good soccer when you see it is quite different from training, mentoring and teaching and socializing the concepts of the sport need to be done in a far different manner than MOST Americans can or will do, for whatever reason. I would love for this not to be the case, but I have to tell you that I see some things done by 'well-respected' supposed seasoned coached, be it Americans or English, which accounts for the majority of our coaching ranks, that flat out flies in the face of what a good coach should be doing. I would love for this culture to change. But it will take some time, and not sure it can until the coaches either have, or adopt, what for lack of a better term, I will call here TRUE SOCCER COACHING INTELLIGENCE. Unfortunately (and I say this as an American), many (I think a fair large majority) American/English coaches who have any credibility with the masses do not cut the mustard in this regard. They have been around too long, with their own either wrong, or antiquated ideas, and have no intention of changing or growing. God forbid there may be a better way.I like to think that USMNT and WNT players have been exposed to enough good coaching along the way to allow them to exhibit signs of a country that is training and educating its players properly. I think we are headed in the right direction at the top levels, but imagine how we could raise our own bar at the top levels if we starting doing things right down in the roots.
and that isn't enough money so now you can pay 200 to go to their golf outing.
i would think they are talking about both teams DUH
So which ECNL keeper supposedly quit? Surge, World Class or Milan? Would love to know what the promises MF is making and breaking are.
Would love to know what promises MF is making and breaking. Which keeper supposedly quit? Surge, Milan or World Class?
Does anyone know how many players PDA's new C team will carry? Will they be competitive?
Any news on PDA C team? Number of players, quality?
All - probably best to not answer that question if you know. It would be the same as making reference to an individual player which is verboten here.
I don't think it is a C team. I think it is a new team. By calling it a C team, you are inferring that the team was selected by picking players who did not make the B team, which I believe you would be considering their Impact team out of South Jersey. I do not think the tryouts for this new team worked this way. I also think you are trying to stir up trouble by calling it a C team. I think, and I am not sure about this, but the new PDA north team is rostered with players who a) either were evaluated for and did not make O'Reilly b) those who had no interest in O'Reilly. Let's be very clear about this - A player who does not make O'Reilly could very well be a very good player. There are lots of factors that will determine how good this new team will be, not least of which is what kind of training/coaching will they get. Do not be convinced that just because PDA is written on their jersey, and they are paying PDA prices, that the training will be top notch. There are far fewer really good coaches out there (difference makers in the development of your kids) that I think most people realize.
This new PDA team will be much different this time next year. This will be a growth year for them, realizing some poor choices they made and replacing them. Nothing against PDA, just a fact that any new team will have players on it that try out well but cant perform in a game.
So then, what does a good coach look, act and sound like for U15 girls at a top level ? What are the things one would find in a "difference maker" coach/trainer ?
C team term will only bother you if you let it. location may also be a factor. PDA commute not possible for some.
So I noticed on Got Soccer that the points for the former MF Thunder which was ranked MUCH HIGHER than the Surge, has now been renamed to MF Black North and all the Thunder points assigned to this team, none of whose players were on the Thunder I'm sure and the lowly Surge points have been assigned to the NPL team which is mostly comprised of the better Thunder players. What a racket.
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