Monday, September 30, 2013

U16G Soccer in PA, NJ, MD, VA & NY

Note: These high school women at age 16 are no joke. Many are looking ahead to college soccer play. They tell their stories here.

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Anonymous said...

With the crazy coach..........nice match.

Anonymous said...

LOL

Anonymous said...

Lol is right! That former coach plus another one, both had very successful teams, but destroyed them for the hope that their daughter would play for Matchfit ECNL. One never made it, and the other, well, does she even play soccer anymore?

Anonymous said...

U talking NJSA

Anonymous said...

nope

Anonymous said...

TR Fusion and Beachwood. That's what their talking about. Can't you figure this out, it's always about the state championship Beachwood coach and his Jackets and TR Fusion team and there state championship. Either team is worth even talking about so let it go man.... Yes NJSA coach is a little coo koo, but what coach isn't coo koo for coaching these girls with parents like you guys.......Nutz I say, Nutz.

Anonymous said...

Nice camp Rutgers. NOT. Planned poorly and box dinners ??? Really. Maybe the new coach will care

Anonymous said...



That's a shame and poor by people running the camp.

They should be rolling out the red carpet and serving lobster if they want some of these girls to consider going there.

Seems to be in line with how the football program loses the blue chip recruits from schools out of state

Anonymous said...

Money grab as always. HC didnt even seem to care according to my daughter.

Anonymous said...



Which HC ?

The one that just resigned or was it the so called new HC ?

I could see the coach that just "resigned" not caring but if new HC, not a good way to start

Anonymous said...

Resigned? Yeah, leaving the year they join the Big Ten makes sense.

Anonymous said...

yep, work hard to get them there and then walk? only if you are afraid they won't do well?

Anonymous said...

Does anybody know why the head coach for Rutgers resigned or retired? He is fairly young to retire.
Did anything happened?

Anonymous said...

Of course, but we will never know.

Anonymous said...

The Rutger's coach said he is leaving to pursue sports commentating after providing commentating for Sky Blue according to the Rutgers website. The Rutgers Women's team reigns have been turned over to Mike O'Neil who has been his assistant for years.

hardly any controversy here...

Mike O'Neil is also a PDA coach so the mileage issue someone referred to seems to be inconsequential.

Anonymous said...

Crooks as a commentator? He barely has a pulse as it is, how can he do that?

Anonymous said...

This may give you an idea
http://www.ratemycoaches.com/coach.php?id=3140&name=coach-glenn-crooks

Anonymous said...

As the youth soccer calendar rolls into another year, I can't hold back from pointing out the emergence of a new number one team in the state,

To all you doubters and haters of this group and of mf in general, a year ago on this very same blog, remember that the cream always rises to the top. PDA will no doubt reclaim this spot sometime soon, but for now, a quality group of girls must be recognized for what they have accomplished in such a short time together.

You will continue to hear a lot of great things from this group.

Anonymous said...

Not a lot of good things said on that site.

Anonymous said...

seriously? thump your chest more dad. has your team beaten O'Reilly? until that happens and happens consistently, the best MF ECNL will be is #2.

GS Rankings are exactly what they are....the only flawed system in which we have to flight teams for tournaments.

Anonymous said...

well I will be taking RU off my daughter's list of schools. LOL

sounds like the new HC will have a pretty easy job. Can't treat players any badly? only place to go is up.

Anonymous said...

Yes your daughter is on their radar LOL

Anonymous said...

MF Chest Thumper...you have over 3,000 points that will drop off very soon and I see nothing to replace them. Enjoy your 2 weeks on the top!

Anonymous said...

Be honest guys, MF is a great team. PDA OR is a great team. Cant we have 2? They should play!

Anonymous said...

if that were true it would be fine.

MF ECNL is not even on the same level. doubt it will happen.

no, not a PDA parent.

Anonymous said...

One day it should happen. No doubt PDA is a great team. But they should stop hiding behind that wall. Come out and play some of the teams in your state, if not for your own benefit and to shut up the haters and doubters, then do it to promote the game and how it should be played. Show us all what we can aspire to.

Anonymous said...

ECNL Northeast Conference Games:
March 29, 2014 -PDA 2- Match Fit 1
May 1, 2014 - PDA 3 - Match Fit 0

Anonymous said...

ECNL Northeast Conference Games:
March 29, 2014 -PDA 2- Match Fit 1
May 1, 2014 - PDA 3 - Match Fit 0

Anonymous said...

We all know that GotSoccer points mean nothing. The original poster even stated that PDA was the rightful owner of number 1 so I don't know what the issue is. People gonna hate... no one on here can stand to hear another team get a compliment.

Impressed that MF scored against PDA. Not many teams do.

SJA Crew beat PDA Impact this weekend if anyone cares.

Anonymous said...

Sja ? I see from their website who is involved. And recognize some players names from other clubs in Monmouth/ocean area. Where are they based out of for games and practices?

Anonymous said...

The MF girl that scored against OReilly is now on OReilly.

Anonymous said...

That's actually wrong. Different girl.

But I can't say I'm surprised that OR is still snatching players from other clubs. They have 3 other teams at this age level. Why not promote from within?

Anonymous said...

Why would PDA promote from within when they can have 4 teams generating income. Simple math. There is movement between the other teams, although it may be movement made by the players and not the club itself.

Anonymous said...

PDA Shore is now listed and they have points. I thought this was a new team but I guess they took a team in and added players to it. What team were they?

Anonymous said...

Toms River Galaxy. And I do seem to recall an announcement of a partnership between TR and PDA. This makes sense.

I don't know how many girls came across.

Anonymous said...

what does it matter? MF Thunder GS spot was taken by MF North Black. as far as I know there isn't one girl from Thunder on Black's roster.

why should anyone else follow GS rules?

Anonymous said...

i dont even know where the galaxy played.

Anonymous said...

is it a matter of a team/coach/admin following GS rules, or for GS to mandate and check that points are not inherited by a newly established team unless the roster contains a certain percentage of girls from a disbanding team that owned those points. Not sure what the percentage is, or how you go about proving a team is disbanding.


Or even a case where a team of 16 has 9 girls leaving. 7 stay. Team stays in club. Keeps same name. Same coach and adds 7 new players. Who keeps the points ?

Does the team with the 7 players lose their points.

Not a likely scenario I supposed.

Anonymous said...

Did njsa form any teams. I thought they had lost all players to pad shore

Anonymous said...

SJA crew beat pda impact in a scrimmage. Impact is much weaker now - recent acquisitions were mostly non starters on their previous teams. Go NJSA Sting

Anonymous said...

SJA beat Impact at a tournament in Pennsylvania this passed weekend. West Chester tournament.

Anonymous said...

7:55, you forgot to mention how SJA Crew then lost to a 43rd ranked team in the semi-finals. In addition, beating PDA Impact is no great accomplishment these days considering they beat the Lady Dragons by only 1 goal. Keep drinking the kool-aid SJA parent.

Anonymous said...

All of the former and almost former Ecnl parent should take a chill pill. The impact and crew will not be playing against the top teams in the land. There wern't any D-1 scouts at the Westchester tournament . So just have your daughter play soccer for the fun of it. At this point even a lower D-1 school like Delaware is a reach LOL enjoy a successful HS career!

Anonymous said...

You think Delaware is a lower D1 school?

Anonymous said...

Sounds like 11:49 is a little whiner parent who has nothing better to do then bash people. So childish! My Mia is better than your Mia because she plays on the almighty ECNL team. Get a grip on life. To believe that your kid will be the only one playing D-1 soccer and all others will not is so rediculous. So many kids from non ECNL clubs are making up D-1 college rosters all over the country. You need to educate yourself before blogging such incorrect information and making yourself look like the biggest fool!

Anonymous said...

11:49 is not an ECNL parent. It's a specific attack made towards a specific child/parent and it's disgusting.

Anonymous said...

so since it is a dig at a specific kid, is it coming from another SJA parent?

Anonymous said...

Go NJSA Sting, does this team even exist anymore? I believe half the players went to MF and SJA? The only one left stranded is the player that didn't go to MF last year because she didn't make the ECNL team. Good luck NJSA Sting.

Anonymous said...

11:49 sounds like one of several parents who have always acted disgustingly entitled over the years, as if their kid is bound for glory throughout youth soccer, ODP, ECNL and then college.

The end game with these louses always appears to be getting a scholarship - I can't speak for others - but in some cases, possibly, to make a good college more affordable.

What goes on behind the scenes in these houses and drives to and from practices and games. Do the kids know that their performance in soccer is, in their parents minds, linked directly to their collegiate future ? There is no wonder that you can understand the mean-spiritedness of some of these girls.

We've got the equation so wrong in this country and I can't change it but kids should play sports for the love of the game only. The pressures they have should be solely based on what they place on themselves to aspire and be good or great on their team or move to the next level. Higher education and sports SHOULD NOT MIX. Period. This is not the only thing wrong with US soccer youth development, but it certain one big thing, that has a cascading effect all the way down the foodchain into how coaches behave, select and play players and why we do have parents that might make a post as distasteful as 11:49.

This iceberg runs much deeper - don't get me started ..... lol.

Anonymous said...

To my knowledge, NJSA Sting is just fine. Not sure why you have an issue.

Anonymous said...

sorry but Sting is the team that just won't give up. very high turnover every year.

how many stayed from last season?

Anonymous said...

11:49 wrote - just have your daughter play soccer for the fun of it.

Why does 11:49's daughter play soccer if not for the love of the game or fun of it ?

My daughter is playing soccer because --- fill in the blank ---

Two things:
1. If the answer is not "for the love and fun of it" there is a problem.
2. With 11:49 giving a dismissive kid is not good enough, so just let her enjoy, what are the other expectations placed upon a daughter such as 11:49's above and beyond. I would really like to hear 11:49 tell us why the girl plays.

11:49's duaghter may be gifted and D1 college / national pool material. Who knows. All the best to her. But does that mean that kids who are a notch or two down (TODAY) from 11:49 should not love the game as much, want to succeed as much, want to have as good an experience of training and teammates. If the kid wants it and the parents are willing to pay for it, why not see how far this notch or two below can take her game to.

What has me applauding is when the parents like 11:49 wake up one day and see the notch or two below girls has excelled beyond their kid, even though not through the exclusionary path that their daughter has taken. And make no mistake about it - This does happen, and it might happen to you. NJ soccer athletes playing in D1 schools DO NOT only come from PDA and MF or any other ECNL team. And I am sure that there are many ECNL players who do not get scholarshipts at D1 schools.

Anonymous said...

I know for a fact one MF player on an older team, was "committed" to a D1 school. Not on the college roster now. $hit happens! Be careful. It could happen to you too.

Anonymous said...

Maybe SHE changed her commitment.

Anonymous said...

NJSA lost 6 girls that I know of. They will fill their spots... they always do. And they remain a top 10 team.

Anonymous said...

6 girls out of how many? at 18 that is 1/3 turnover.....again.

at a roster of 14 or 15 (not counting the ones from the B team), that is sad.

Anonymous said...

What is wrong with njsa that they consistently turn over so many. To their credit, they don't fold. But why are people always moving out.

Anonymous said...

Is SJA a new academy? Where is it out of and where will their teams be playing Jags, NPL or EDP?
How is the training and player development?
very important questins before you commit to a team for the year!!

Anonymous said...

SJA = last year's MF U15 NPL coach went on his own. took his favorites (mostly former MF Surge players) with him. his niece and the keeper are two that left NJSA to join him.

player dev?

Anonymous said...

5:19 re: SJA player dev, not likely. There was none with coach at MF. Can't see it happening with his new team.

Anonymous said...

11:03 you are dead on. No player development what so ever! Just keep recycling the same players and hope to steal/bs new players to join the team. News alert, the time for your players to gel is running out.

Anonymous said...

that is what the ? was for

Anonymous said...

Did BEC u16 fold?

Anonymous said...

yes, I heard they had a team coming in to fill so NJ Stallion has a U16 team.

Anonymous said...

Where's the new team from? A "take over" or just a bunch of new girls?

Anonymous said...

pay attention coaches....

http://www.socceramerica.com/article/59821/shannon-macmillan-a-world-champs-view-on-coachin.html

Anonymous said...

I believe it is an existing team that is moving over. don't know which one or if it actually happened( or is happening).

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the Macmillan post.

My sentiments are similar.

However, her focus today appears to be on 9-10 year olds. Not sure if she has been involved in coaching at the more advanced youth ages (let's say U13 and older). So what she is saying holds true, but it gets more and more difficult to adhere to that belief system, and stay around as a coach, unless you produce results.

There are far too many forces working against the right approach. Parents need to see wins. Clubs need to see wins, as this is how they attract more players. So short-cuts are taken and compromises are made, even for the coach who knows what is right and believes like Macmillan.

Problem with our system - we allow results to matter too early in the stages of development and because of this, our players are getting the short end of the stick while coaches try to build winning teams. Whether it is a school coach pushing for a win, a U10 youth coach pushing for the win or a U15-16 coach doing the same, the results they push for are to serve some purpose that is really not player development - it could be to protect their job, could be to get customers, could be to show parents that they are able to bring the team to a level where colleges might be interested.

In a soccer successful country, you have none of this, which leaves the development of the player to the forefront until the time the player makes the highest level pro team.

Please let's not get into how successful US Women have been within this same framework and circumstances. The US women success has come in spite of all of the things mentioned above. Not because of it. Other countries who have men's systems will catch up, as long as the interest is there on the women's side - they will employ what has worked for their men.

Anyway, ask yourself the question - Do you think we would be developing any lesser soccer players if most/all coaches were able to control themselves and behave as Macmillan suggests ? Forget about the infrastructure we're not gonna get rid of including the clubs, the parents and the fact that college education can be tied into success in sports ... Or another way to ask the question ... Do the puppeteer coach and the coaches and orgs who do place a higher premium on the win than on development ... do they benefit the players more than if they were in an environment that truly was development oriented ?

Lastly, before we jump all over wins are not bad, I do not mean to say players should not try to win and compete to their best when on the field and in practices. And I do not mean to say that players should not be encouraged to do their best to create and defend, to score and to prevent goals, which if they are successful, will result in more wins than losses. I am not trying to dampen the spirit of competition or the desire to compete and excel, as all of these things are VERY, VERY important components in the development of these players. Quite the opposite - These things are essential. I am just saying it would be great if we could change the system to have these things, while the aforementioned driving forces started leaning more towards true development and away from short-sighted winning.

Anonymous said...

Shame about BEC. They always impressed me as a nice team, well coached.

Anonymous said...

What happened to the Charge?

Anonymous said...

Well, for the most part, we are a nation of soccer idiots.

Anonymous said...

Looks the the BEC team has been completely replaced. The new BEC roster on the website doesn't have one player from last year's team but is still called BEC. Anyone know if this team came over intact from another club?

Anonymous said...

I guess the BEC team broke up end of the season. I spoke to a parent of one of the girls at a tryout, seems like they were all looking.

Anonymous said...

Any idea where the new BEC team came from?

Anonymous said...

With the common lack of technical and tactical training received by the girls during hs soccer season, just wonder what if anything others do with their daughter so as not to have these next few months be a total loss in their development. Private or group training. Pickup games. So little time left over but such a shame the girls need to suffer this.

Anonymous said...

My daughter's team trains on Sundays. They also are playing tournaments starting with WAGS in October. We debated having her skip HS this year and privately train with her club coach but decided against it. Definitely was a hard decision for all the reasons you listed.

Anonymous said...

Skipping HS ball - if it didn't have the stigma associated with it ... I would consider it. From a pure soccer perspective it is:

a) better that they play then do nothing.
b) better that they train 2-4 times a week with some scrimmages than play HS soccer

Above is a general opinion - I imagine there are a couple good HS coach spread around.

If you decide not to play one year, it could shut the door on the rest of HS, so you have to be sure.

Anonymous said...

What scares me the most about HS soccer is the potential for injury.

The coaches do not really mind that some players ride the bench and others play the entire game. Some players lack skill and when up against a skilled player their only defense is to take it to a physical level. These factors create situations where highly skilled players get injured.

Anonymous said...

9:08 you are correct. Also, many of these coaches have no idea when it comes to resting the players. They can have a game one day that goes into OT then even PKs and then run them hard the very next day instead of giving them a break with a lighter practice. This is why so many girls are so banged up when it comes time for club in the late fall.

Anonymous said...

As a general rule

- hs soccer is sub par
- chance for stupid injury is higher due to reason previous poster gave
- hs coaches run kids far too much
- hs coaches do not understand the game very well. Yes they know the rules. Yes they know how to tell a girl to get the ball out wide. Yes they can orchestrate a corner kick. But they do not know how to develop skills and minds.
- hs coaches' bottom line is the win - more so than travel coaches who have a better chance of caring about development and player retention year after year. A hs coach knows these players are just passing through his program.

Anonymous said...

As usual there are bitter misinformed people commenting about things they do not know. I am a little behind but not ashamed to say I am affiliated with PDA Impact and we do not have an all new team and returned most players with a few good additions. How these people claim they know these rosters is beyond me and just ridiculous.

With that said, we played SJA in a very competitive game and they are a very good team, period and much different than when they played us as MF NPL U15. They simply outplayed us but people want to make comments when they were not even there and do not know teams and I am sure it is always the same bitter person that everyone on here talks about.

People really should stop talking about other teams and just worry about their own.

Anonymous said...

SJA!! There you have it.

Anonymous said...

Sja there u have it. What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Anonymous said...

7:30am poster. Someone is finally making a logical comment instead of bashing a I team or player and you have to be a jerk? You are way too into little girls soccer but probably because you are trying to live through your daughter. Just be happy with whatever team YOU chose for your daughter and leave everyone else alone.

Anonymous said...

To 6:44 PDA impact parent - first off rosters are easily available to see on gotsoccer and elsewhere so it is clear who left the team and who got sucked in by new coach - who by the way was very unethical with his recruiting....calling players from his *former team* and making all kinds of promises. The sh** has yet to hit the fan, my friend.

Anonymous said...

So it is normal to memorize other team rosters so you know who is new? That is very strange and borderline stalker/predator. Get a life.

Anonymous said...

PDA Impact had players say they were going to leave but didnt. Maybe that is where the confusion is. ALl PDA teams continue to recruit at this age, right up until they need to make a fixed roster. At that point they begin to recruit all over again.

Anonymous said...

8:21am poster, you are so right. 6:44pm poster, great post. We need nice positive comments here.

As for the 7:30am and 10:03am post, people do not go crazy. It is most likely the old Beachwood coach who is bitter over the choices he has made making theses two posts and feels like everything he says and does is always right and everyone else is wrong. Just because his team has fallen apart, he feels the need to say how bad every other team is.

Every player and parent is entitled to make their own choices and nobody else should tell them they are wrong or say negative things about the team they went to,. Let's keep in perspective that these are 15 and 16 year old girls but as was said, some people are just way too into it and trying to live through their daughter.

If everyone here would ignore the Beachwood coach, hopefully he will go away and stop posting his negative comments so we can have some good soccer discussions.

Anonymous said...

Sooooooo you want positive comments and you throw someone under the bus. You must be a joy on the parents sideline.

Anonymous said...

At 2:13pm. I was not throwing anyone under the bus just stating what was said many times earlier in this forum that everyone believes it is him. Maybe if parents would grow up and stop trying to live through their kids, none of this would be said. We all know that will not happen. I am sure you have the best player on the best team in the world so good luck with that. We all know you are most likely the parent everyone tries to get away from.

Anonymous said...

3:17. Again nothing positive. You are a walking contradiction. You may also want to come up with your own insults and show some creativity You are a farce.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe people on this forum fight over choices others make to play on different teams. Good or bad, there is not enough room on one or two teams for every girl in this age group and there are a lot of good players who do not want to sit the bench or travel 100 miles to practice because a coach at a place like MF plays his rich favorites.

Just let the girls play!!!

Anonymous said...

It is funny how someone mentioned SJA lost to a 43rd ranked Virginia team. Maybe these people should learn to read, it was a 13th ranked VA team. These rankings in the summer are not very good to depend on. SJA was ranked in the 40's at that time but were not a team that should have been there, just no GS points. Look at SJA losses, none to a 43rd ranked team and from what I was told, both loses came on PK's.

Nobody seems to mention how SJA beat a PDA team who recently made it to the NPL National Championship Semis. Obviously there are people on this forum who just want to bad mouth a team for no reason.

Anonymous said...

SJA! SJA! Keep drinking the SJA kool aid. SJA coach makes lazy players.

Anonymous said...

August 19, 2014 at 10:03 AM Unethical! I can assure you zero phone calls were made from former coach to players on that team. You get a call? Stop lying and making up fabrications.Find another way to justify whatever you are trying to justify! The couple players that did leave; left because they made a family choice based on what it should always be about.... And that is doing right by your kid and doing what's best for them. Period! Shame on you!

Anonymous said...

Dear 8:30am, as you stated that SJA was previously ranked in the 40's, so was the VA team that you played at that time. They were not ranked 13 when SJA played them.. Congratulations for beating Impact #13 by 1 goal. It remains to be seen how SJA will do when they play against better teams. I do not believe that they will do very well, as SJA is basically the recycled former Surge team with a few additions. The Coach failed miserably with the Surge, so I can't wait to see what magic he will perform here. And btw, I can read perfectly fine and for the most part, people do not bad mouth a team/coach for no reason.

Anonymous said...

8:57, shame on you for your ignorance. Coaches do contact players/parents whether it is in person or through email or phone calls. I know this because it occurred with my daughter on a few occasions. Unethical, yes, but it does occur.

Anonymous said...

Why is it unethical? EVERY coach would take on a new player if they felt they could help. NO player will leave their current team if they are happy, so if they leave they were not happy.

Anonymous said...

12:28, otherwise known as Beachwood Coach,that VA team is the same VA team that your team struggled with at Fort Dix and got a lucky bounce to win the game 1-0. SJA lost to them in PK's so that means when your team at NJSA barely beat them they must have been ranked worse than 43? If you look at the points they earned from the win over SJA and subtract, there is no way they were 43 in VA prior to that win.

Anonymous said...

By the way, 12:28, learn to read. 1:12 is correct. They moved up four spots after the SJA win from 17 to 13 so they were 17 at the time of that game, not 43.

Anonymous said...

1:05. I believe there are rules against poaching, therefore making it unethical. Whether or not the player accepts or declines is irrelevant. That's why there are tryouts-outs, to find new players. Coaches should not be going after another team's players. Some will not do this personally, but do it via managers, team parents...

Anonymous said...

They cant make them leave.
They are not asking them to leave until their 1 year commitment is over.
They wont listen if they are happy
There is no such thing as poaching, just dont answer the phone.

Anonymous said...

Returning to play for NJSA would have been a much better option then traveling across the state to play for PDA impact , just look at the coaching difference. Another questionable choice

Anonymous said...

1:05 It's unethical when lies are told to entice players.

Anonymous said...

wow u folks have been busy.

can't wait till I am done with this nightmare called youth soccer.

still waiting to hear how 25 player rosters are good for development.

Anonymous said...

Well there you have it 4:43. You just described the MF Surge/SJA coach amoungst others.

Anonymous said...

define the lies, you cant.

Anonymous said...



Who cares if lies or unethical, the problem is that he can't coach/train/ develop players

Anonymous said...

That is your opinion. The only way you would know is if it didnt work out with your daughter. Take a step back, maybe your daughter didnt work hard enough. Maybe your daughter peaked.

Anonymous said...

"maybe your daughter peaked" ...

what are we talking about here ?

First off, there are our kids - not horses or pro athletes.

2nd ... no kid should "peak" at 15 years old, unless they lose their desire to work on the game. Physically, perhaps they have matured and they may not get much stronger or not much faster. But peaking in terms of game and tactical understanding, skills ... no way. As long as the desire to keep working and keep learning is there, there is soooo much more growth that can be had by all of these girls, as they find their niche in the game and what position then gravitate to and excel more at, they can focus on making the most of what they have physically by learning more and challenging themselves to grow their skills and knowledge.

So many levels of play for so many girls.

Peaking my Behind.

Such a primitive thought to think that the physical peaking in soccer is of any great import. But not surprising considering all the blogging over the years about how fast and physical, the American way of dominance in sports, is the most important things.

I have lots of axes to grind here, but no horse in the race of all of this south jersey, matchfit, njsa, beachwood hatfield and mccoy nonsense we've seen out here the last few days.

Anonymous said...

yep, has to be the kid's fault.

most coaches do not know how to teach. yes they can run the drills. there is so much more to being a good teacher.

Anonymous said...

Yes, blame the trainer/coach. It is never the players responsibility. They never get out worked. They never lack desire.

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