First with ODP you as the parent need to have a very clear vision of your kids skill level. Just because they are a superstar on their team doesn't automatically equate to a spot on the roster where many are above average players on their team. I've listen to bragging parents boasting how their kid scored 15 goals so far and they are playing in MOSA. The kid doesn't make the cut and the parent is blasting how ODP is a rip-off. That is not a clear vision of where your kid is in the big picture. Obviously, skill is paramount, but if they can't adapt to a new environment, position or have "coachability" they may not make the cut. For instance, if there are 90 kids trying out and 75 are centers and forwards and the coach puts your kid in the back and they say that's not where I want to play, or they fail to adapt to a different position more than likely they will not advance. That goes for college selection, try to find a college that is recruiting solely for the position your kid plays. I learned the first go around and started my kid in the program early, I am now holding off until U14 for my younger kid. We've had a very positive experience this past year with the quality of the players selected, coaching staff and results. It is what it is, you just have to realistic expectations and a clear vision of where your kid is and the potential they have to play at the next level.
10:33 I agree with you 100%. What you pointed out is exactly how they evaluate at ODP. There are certain things they look for regarding coach-ability. My daughter did say that some of the girls complained about where they were placed during small sided/full field matches. Those girls did not make ODP. My child did not make it the 1st year. I asked for the evaluation from the coach, not to judge their decision but to use it as a tool for my kid to improve. I let her see the evaluation/suggestion for improvement, she worked on the things that the coach pointed out, she made the ODP team the following year.
We have two girls that made the odp regional team that are not starters on our ECNL team. enough said!
Well put then.....ECNL..pay to play and politics over quality selection trumps all. My daughter plays on an ECNL team....if you ard will to put out the cash...you play. Is it possible that those players should be starters? You may want to ask yourself......how well does that particular ECNL team fare in tournament/league play? What is the purpose of that team.....to hinder opportunity by not starting them or developing a player to meet their potential. At the end of the day....these young ladies need to be recruited by colleges, not hindered. ODP....you pay for a try out......with more girls than an ECNL tryout......you are selected.....then you pay your fee. Pretty straight forward to me.
I've been reading these posts and am surprised at the rudeness and degree of unhappiness. Anyway, this has been my son's first experience with an ODP try out. In some ways it was organized well---numbers assigned to kids, fields assigned by ages etc. But what amazed me and disappointed me about the tryouts which were yesterday and today was how there was very little coach input as to the organization of the kids as they played. They appeared to let the kids determine positions and basically the bullies and overly assertive kids placed themselves continuously in their chosen position and would not rotate and allow others to play those positions. The coaches seemed either unaware or uncaring about this. I would think that they would want to see how all players perform in different positions in evaluating them. I also would think they would not want to just have a bunch of overly assertive/bullies as strikers and front line kids---but that maybe the more technically skilled kid who is less of a bully and less assertive would fit the bill on the team just as well. But as the tryouts are presently structured they may never see what a lot of kids could do if given the opportunity. I don't have a clue whether my child will or will not make the team at this point. But I am disappointed in how the try outs are run. I do think that like any organization--sports or otherwise some politics are involved. Of course the coaches kids will make the team----but I don't really have trouble with this since they are in rec and often in travel teams the ones volunteering their time and energy to coach (unlike myself) and often it is in reality to give their kid an edge. It's part of the natural pay back for all they give. My kid will either make it on his own talent and efforts or not because I don't have the knowledge, skill, or time to coach a team. All things have politics. I'm sure ODP is no different. In many things it's who you know not your skills or abilities that give an edge. This is true in sports try outs, work place, getting into Ph.D and MD programs etc. But sometimes persistance and effort wins out ultimately and then you feel great that you made it on your merits not because your Dad or Mom is a coach or knows the admissions officer etc. My son went to the UVA camp this summer and got all very high ratings and he and I knew no one there. So I know he's a very good player and has natural ability. He's played since age 3 and at age 2 a GMU soccer player told his day care provider who had the chance to "play" with him that he had amazing foot skills for a two year old. Now he is quite a bit older and those have obviously only gotten better with years of training, practice and his passion for the game. I hope in the future that the ODP coaches try to take more of a hand in seeing that all kids get the opportunity to show their skills in the different positions that they would like to demonstrate their abilities. This seems only fair. I don't think pushy kids (in my sons case age 12)---pushy kids of 12 should be dictating where kids play during the tryouts. My son indicated several times his interest in playing up but the pushing boys refused to alternate positions. Where were the coaches? My son can be quite aggressive/assertive on the field but as a person he is not a bully. In the long run, I am proud that my son is not a bully and whether he makes this team or not really is not the end or all or be all of his future in soccer.
My daughter attended ODP tryouts for the Northern District pool today at Bolen Park in Leesburg, VA. Over 100 girls attended the 2001 age group tryouts, including approximately 20 girls who were evaluated for GK positions on the teams. First day consisted of small-sided 4v4 games to cones and the second day they played 7v7 with goalies and used both regular goals and cones. Overall, the ODP Tryouts were well organized and coaches appeared to be engaged and taking notes on girls' performance on the pitch. It appeared preliminary decisions were made on the first day as the girls were broken down into six (6) 7v7 groups right at the beginning of the second day. It was difficult to determine the girls who were ranked to be among the most skilled and talented, although the initial call-up appeared to be the group of girls that were among the players to be selected.VYSA volunteer parents informed us that selections would be posted online on the web page in approximately 5 days. Last year, the 2001 age year group had 43 girls selected on the first year of their participation in the ODP program. We will have to wait a few more days to see how many are called back or selected to continue in the program.Many of the girls at the tryouts played vigorously, displayed advanced technical skills and demonstrated a high level of athleticism, which was expected as many of these young soccer players play for large clubs with excellent travel soccer programs in one of the most competitive areas of the country.
"Two years ago, half the players called into the U20 WNT were involved in the ECNL. This past camp, that number skyrocketed to 19 of 20. Standouts like Taylor Racioppi, Cari Roccaro and Mallory Pugh are closing in on those opportunities."odp- a bridge to know where.Dont waste your money .And yes my daughter made it to Nat pool last year.Great experience too much money. and what's next.
And 15 of the 21 also participated in ODP at some level per article at usyouthsoccer.com..ODP probably got them on the radar..
OH SNAP! Great point 11:58. The program is call ODP...Olympic Development Program.....not ECNLDP. The end result is to work your best in order to get on a national team to play in the olympics......hence Olympic Development Program. Nothing is perfect and ODP is a great organization!
NJ ODP is over. The best boys do not pay to play or train...(think union & red bulls)if you do your son is not there yet, unless you are on Real, TSF or PDA.ODP = $ for state controlled youth rec soccer. Organized chaos that results in 4-0 losses to VA and PA. Ask any NJ ODP coach what the pool is like above U13, good players at best but not close to the best talent in NJ or the other states they face. Went to Williamsburg friendlies - parent from another state whose son just rolled up with his team on a bus from their team hotel asks: Are you going to NC for the tournament? Response: sorry what tournament is that? Check VA, PA, MD, DE ODP sites, at least they recognize players and their recent accomplishments (boys and girls) and promote the program. In NJ you are just a # and a $. $50 tryout fee$1000 state training fee (with biased coaches)Free VA Friendlies + hotels / gas / food / etc...(no team unity just show up)$225 for mini-campFree tournament vs. Region 1 Teams at Rider$600 Region I ID camp<<>>Multiply that x the number at each age group and what do you get what? line on your soccer resume The best was a comment was from our coach at the VA friendlies who said they split the talent equally to better develop the players....the focus is not on winning. Agreed however - what about the best play the best to get better or even measure talent against talent for Region I placement and beyond in ODP National Pool? Not in NJ.Thank you NJYSA, first year was awesome 2nd year was a money grab (25 North players/25 South players / mixed region 1 tournament play).
11:58.These girls came through the ECNL national pool, not the odp national pool. And it was FREE!They were chosen through the ecnl system . Now ODP wants to take credit for players that have been going through the ecnl system these past 5 years.Surely if odp was all that there would be others not in the ecnl that were chosen for national team but clearly thats not the case.They all .were looked at and evaluated to step up to the National team through a FREE System!
If you can get there through a Free system, why would you pay thousands of dollars each year.This is why ODP is a program of the past.
What is free about ECNL? Do you not think that ECNL is not a money grab? If this is true about those current players that were ID through their system…..they paid….and paid dearly. ECNL cost 3 times as much as a season of ODP. Yes you may get games/tournament play for a season (and supposedly….ID by college coaches at the games…..which I am waiting to see), which adds up when you incorporate travel expenses on top of league fees. My estimation of this is pretty factual because my daughter plays on an ECNL team and is an ODP player. Yes…..we do pay a lot for soccer. My daughter enjoys it and that is what matters. If all works out, it will pay in the end……a possible college scholarship, a look from a college that would probably not be on her radar or a chance on a national team. Who knows!?!I also know a girl that is not on an ECNL team that is an outstanding player currently on ODP. I am impressed with her ability, as I have heard from some of the ODP coaches, who are D1 coaches, that she has great soccer sense and ability. She made the ODP team without the politics of ECNL/etc. She came out of nowhere and out played 98% of the other girls that are ECNL members. I am sorry to say but the system seems to be working. Our ECNL team and other ECNL teams have approached this girl to play for them and she has declined. I will assume that there is no benefit for this girl to play on an ECNL team due to playing on the ODP team or because she is on a fast track without the ECNL/NPL or whatever politics.Don’t get me wrong, ECNL is a good avenue for soccer. I think some parents have their children on an ECNL team thinking that their little “Mary” is the best player……so if she goes out for any other team/program (ODP), they should take her. That is not the case……remember, some of these coaches, especially when you get to the high school age for ODP, U14, U15, U16 etc…. are COLLEGE coaches ID’ing these young ladies. Sorry that little “Mary” had 50 goals fall season but was not picked up for ODP. Is it possible she did not perform consistently during tryouts? Is it possible that when placed in a climate of equal or better talent..…she didn’t fare well? Instead of bashing the program, take a look at the situation at hand and if there are so many from the ECNL program (program costing parents thousands of $$) on the national team……maybe it’s a biased system after all, because there are other programs…..which I know have equal or better talent. PAYOLA!!!!If I am not mistaken, ECNL (PDA) will let you play, with the premise that you are developing. They really don’t cut you perse but they will take your money and place you on a development program of some sort…..not sure how this works but I know that it exists. ODP, you pay for a tryout (fee possibly = coordinators time, field rental, coaches time, etc). Nothing is free in any competitive sport. So as….I was saying….ODP, you pay for a tryout, you get cut or you make it. No gray area…..like stay with the team….regardless of talent….pay an astronomical amount of money and not develop. Remember…..you are competing with the bonus of developing. That is why it is a tryout……someone has to get cut. Little “Mary” will learn this either sooner or later. Ahhhh!!!!…..the spirit of competition.
For the record, I am "Anonymous" who last posted in July re. the disappointing experience with Ohio South Youth Soccer ODP. Two responders quickly jumped to the conclusion that there was an issue with my daughter's "coachabilty". Dunno where that came from. Really?Well, since I am not posting to bash ODP generally and was merely sharing one experience with one specific org (ohio south ysa), I'd like to ask if anyone has had experience with girls playing on teams with MLS team affiliation. I'm now looking at a club affiliated with the Columbus Crew Juniors. There isn't a us soccer recognised Crew development academy for girls at this point. There is an "elite" team, though. The objective is to entry to US Soccer Youth National Team development training. College offers aren't the primary concern. Suggestions? Experiences? I hesitate to "go ECNL" because of travel demands conflicting with school and cost.Thanks,Anon in Southwest Ohio
12:36.The purpose of ODP is to identify next level talent.Parents have to pay for the ODP process.Many of these kids play for non ecnl teams that charge significantly-"so called academies'The end result at the national odp level seems to be that the girls in this special pool are still not good enough to make the jump to the USSF pool.It appears the opposite at the ECNL level.19 of 20 is a significant stat with no room for misinterpretation.On top of this , although the league of ecnl is certainly not free, the part that compares to the ODP process, is indeed free. It appears to be a no brainer to me with regards to which process is the better process for identification purposes.I suppose yo could try and do both, but why would you spend the extra money if your daughter is already being recognized by the ecnl process.
11:14Good point but......if ECNL is so efficient in their process. Why do the girls that play on an ECNL team try out for ODP? My daughter is on an ECNL team (PDA) and some of the parents feel their ID process is lacking in some areas. If I am not mistaken, the NJ 99 girls have all but 1 girl that plays ECNL (PDA) on the Region 1 team/pool. They selected 5 girls altogether. I also believe that there are many avenues to be ID. Maybe the national program has to look at consolidating the process and possibly make it so that one program (ECNL, NPL, ODP, etc) is responsible for the next level.
1:27.two different issues.ecnl vetting process is at a higher standard, the fact that 4/5 99 pda players made odp regional pool but perhaps did not get ID through ECNL may prove that point.The other issue is when the ecnl coach just flat out gets it wrong.For this player, odp may be another avenue for recognition.You must remember, it is not only just the coach of the player that can ID another player, A player may be ID'd by another coach in the ecnl league and by the numerous ID scouts that watch the games to identify talent.Perhaps both sytems should be intergrated but there is much too much money on the ODP side for that to happen.
99 Boys turnout, not good.
Curious what you (Aug 6 8:55 am) mean by "99 Boys turnout, not good"Also don't understand how my 99 boy just tried out for the District Pool at the same time other 99 boys were being named to the Region Pool... both for the 2014-2015 season?Thanks in advance for helping me to understand this stuff.---1st-Time ODP Parent of 99 boy
Turnout of talent and numbers was not good. Your son is trying out for the State pool and if selected will then need to try out for the State team, much harder to accomplish. Then you try out for the Region 1 pool, even harder to attain.
3:01 how many 99 boys were there? Were they any good? I know many 99's that never tried out or by now dont because they know they will never make the national team. It is a lot of money for very little.
@ Aug 6 3:01 PMThe boys who just made the regional team made it at the end of last year's ODP cycle, for this year. ODP goes district-> state -> regional. District sessions are in the fall, then some move on to state ODP after a district tournament (which is the tryout for state). State training goes through the winter, and then there is a state tournament in June. From this, some kids are invited to regional camp. After the camp a regional team is selected. Thus the region I pool which was just announced is the end of the 2013-14 cycle. Does that help?
Turnout at the 98's very weak. Where did everyone go? Looked like many have just stopped coming.
NJ 98's? Boys or Girls?
Are you allowed to tryout up a year for ODP?
no, but why would you want to? Short of going to the National team, part of having ODP on your kid's soccer resume is to show that they have been separated and have excelled against their peers at a high level. Why wouldnt you want to your player to be a superstar on age than a average player playing up? Pretty sure the way things are structured these days the days of heather O'reilly joining the Sr. WNT at 16 are over.
Re: ODP trai ning through winter (from August 7th post):New kids just trying out are to begin in April, correct?Thanks
Yes. New kids (that make the NJ team) will train in April. Be prepared to pay a lot and get very little.
They are up front about what you "get"Maybe your expectation level should have been tempered going in.I think many players dont return because it is just so much soccer to play - in addition to their already packed club trainingOthers of course since their daughter didnt attain the level thye believed was deserved.....But a nice copout is the "it's not worth the dollars".
12:56I agree with you. Instead of most coming back and working hard between seasons.....some of the parents use that as a cop out because their daughter/son just didn't cut it. So they go back to their club teams to be a star there. The outlook of challenging players is discouraging to most.
Any idea on when the regional pool list will be out?
The regional pool for the girls is posted on the region 1 website. The boys pool is not out yet per no update on the region 1 websites.
I hope the regional pool has some players in it - or were they passed over by politics and stereotypes of what a WNT player should be?We have talked about the rest of the world catching up to us in Womens soccer. Yesterday North Korea, yes North Korea knocked out our u20's. If any of you watched any of the games lots of just kicking the ball and way to much dribbling. AND that my friends fits into what our selectors see as top players. Athletic, Physical girls that can run and hold the ball way to much. When will that change? Not until you have soccer minds running these programs and you leave out everything else and let them play. Can they dribble can they use both feet, can they pass, do they know what to do when the win a ball? How in the world do we lose to North Korea at any age?
The 00 girls roster lists several small technical player but leaves out one of the best small technical players from NJ. More technical players listed than one would expect. Probably will not be successful against the beasts other regions will choose. At this age not sure they will have the time together to make the most of their game. Technical games require a long time of familiarity to work. But maybe the wins in boca are not what the selectors were choosing for.
10 training sessions, 1000$ 100 per sessionNEVER have 10 sessions actually take placeYou call that value or even reasonable?
Anyone with insight on when the Boys Regional results will be posted?
1000 for 10 sessions is highway robbery especially when the "trainers" do not show up for all of the sessions. And have the players scrimmage for half the time. BTW that is 1000 for 26 players. Some of which get relegated to the sub squad and play in one game out of three for the regionals. If NJ EVER wants to field a competitive team again they need to ask Virginia how its done.
In other words, your kid didn't make the cut. My son did ODP in NJ 3 years and there were never 26 kids on his team. Ever. More like 18-20 because all kids are not avail at all times. This is supplemental participation.
My son made ODP every year and there were always 22 on the state team. Without exception, 22. That is 22,000 dollars for 10 training sessions. Yes that is correct.
No offense to the ODP parents, but a 1000 for 10 sessions; not worth it. When a parent that I know told me that his son had made the ODP team I was shocked; the kid is sub par player and spends more time on the bench then on the field for his club team. You do the the math 1000 to play on a team with 22 players were some players are not even at an ODP level.
Everyone has to see for themselves. My daughter played last year and it's safe to say she told me she didn't want to tryout anymore. Let's just say that made me happy. ODP won't miss my kid and I won't miss ODP. Like anything see for yourself if it's worth it - what's not worth it to me might be worth it to someone else.$1,000 for 10 sessions plus events? plus regional camp? I think something like approx 2k. Like I said many people love ODP and posted many wonderful stories. I just say see for yourself.
I wonder if this year they are going to publish the tryouts results on their site on the date they promised, meaning today :)
list are posted.
Either I'm crazy or stupid or someone else is. The posted list looks exactly as the one from last year, same numbers, same everything. I don't know but am I going crazy? lol
I hope you understand numbers are handed out randomly. My son received a different number from last year's tryout.Anyways, you should not read much into numbers. It's the players behind the numbers.
In fact I'm not crazy yet, they had indeed posted last year's list at first, the right list was posted afterwards. Well I guess people make mistakes and they fix them too :)
Ahhhh...I was wondering where were the 2002s. So agree, you are not crazy :-)
Just wander if anyone else sees that almost everyone who tried out made it? Kind of think that is strange. Any input on this? Might be a waste of time, and money.
Do it for one year and you will see just what a waste of time and money ODP really is.
My son tried ODP last year and enjoyed the competitiveness. The 2002s were particularly skilled. Most like will not be doing this year as the costs are expected to be around $1600. Tough when you are already paying close to that on club team. We will continue to monitor ODP...
How will you monitor ODP? It is very watered down, still have some quality players but MANY dont even look at it anymore.
EPYSA tryouts this weekend. Boys hit hard by DA. Girls still competitive. My kid has enjoyed the experience. Expensive yes, but in our experience with a 2000 girl, overall worthwhile.
Does anyone know how many 02' girls tried out and how many made it? Just curious.
It looks like they only cut a couple (if any) and intend to cut in April 2015, after you pay another fee.
So what is the cost for the next year f ODP? I here anywhere from $1600 - $2000. Is that correct? Can anyone shed light on this for me before I put out any money to have my kid not make the next cuts? Taking 80 kids to April for another set of cuts that may knock down the number to below 50? What is the real deal here?
If ODP stipulates a dress code for tryouts, White shirt, Black shorts and Black socks, then why are PDA players who show up wearing Sky blue shorts and socks allowed to participate? Make them buy a pair of black socks in order to take the field. Wouldn't want anyone to unfairly attempt to influence the coaches now.
Dress code would not help, the minute PDA players put down their club/team on the registration, they are in, even B and C team players.
If they are showing up to ODP tryouts they must be on the club team and not the Academy team. Not influencing anyone to be honest IMO.
3 PDA '00 birth year u15 ECNL players on the region 1 pool (but interestingly not the boca interregional "A" roster)The three letters Don't completely carry the day on the girls side
Great point 2:14 PM.
What's "boca interregional "A" roster"? So they did go through NJ ODP to be on the Region 1 pool?
Yes they do state ODP, generally play in the June tournament, and then go to July regional camp. The last few years has been university of RI but likely will change next due to the upheaval in Region1. Every day or twice a day at regioonal camp they post "id lists" these are the kids they are looking to potentially add to the regional pool. The id list kids train together in front of the region 1 coaches. They even develop a A id list and B id list over the course of the camp. The kids are anxious all three days as the lists are posted on whether they got cut or got added. It is painful but there is a real life lesson in it. The last day they name the rosters for the events. The top event (A) roster for U14 and above is the competitive tpournament showcase between all 4 regions which occurs during Thanksgiving week. The rest of the kids go to a "national ODP camp" ususally in AZ. The U13 dont compete only the top kids go to the "national camp" the rest are also included in 1 or 2 other camps.Of intrest at least one of the PDA kids went to the U13 national camp last year, but I dont think was chosen for the boca ("A") event at u14.I dont believe any of the PDA '00 kids are going to Boca
Good summary and correct information. You don't find those posts too often on this board.In addition the girls invited to Boca are invited to an International Trip (Croatia, Russia, Costa Rica, Germany Etc). Those rosters have not been announced yet, but we had heard that they would be posted by the end of August. The shake up could be the delay there.
Int'l trip?Sounds like another money grab by the state!
These trips are made up from the regional pools.which are the region1 states.not NJODP state team
Choose not to play because it just isnt worth the time or money.
When will they post who made the player pools for PAE ODP?
They are up852 would you have signed up again if your kid made the regional team?Do all the kids who don't move to DA or who aren't already recognized by the youth national teams sign up again?
"3 PDA '00 birth year u15 ECNL players on the region 1 pool (but interestingly not the boca interregional "A" roster)The three letters Don't completely carry the day on the girls side"Could it be because one is already on the US national team and one is in the US national pool.Oh by the way a girl that didnt make the ODP regional team had to settle for Making the US National team.ODP folks have no idea what they are doing.
Judging from the u20 World Cup it might be that the is national coaches don't know what they are doing. Sorry doesn't exactly translate. Good for your kid in making the u14 national pool. The point really is that there are many national quality kids available. At least twice times the pool. Depends on the specific coach on whom she likes. Glad this one likes your kid. No worries all the best.
4:36.Your logic is a bit convulated.All these girls in the ODP regional pool have one thing in Mind ans that is to make it to the National level.They are trying to get to the very place that some girls have gone directly there but have been passed over by the regional team or Regional a list.National pool and team coaches are the ultimate arbitrator in who belongs in this national group.ODP should know who they need to choose to facilate the national team coaches . they should not have a different prospective. The national team's prospective should be what the ODP coaches are concerned with. There should not be a disconnect.And no there are not a lot of National team quality kids at ODP. The ECNL certainly wears that banner.By the way- two Regional pool player on our ecnl team do not start
one PDA '00 defender to U14 camp. Maybe the region 1 coaches did get it right.
Your ODP expenses are ridiculous! In CO it costs $100 for three days of tryouts and another $100 for 5-6 training sessions if you make the pool. It sounds like an absolute bargain compared to other states. We see that the DA program is starting to overtake the ODP program, but unless you live in Denver, the DA program is too difficult to commit to. Although the ODP program doesn't necessarily get ALL the best players anymore, it still brings in a large number of them and much of the top talent is still there.
PA ODP rosters out. The "ECNL players are out of ODP so the remaining available players are weak" seems to nt be true. The girls '99 is coached by the penn fusion coach and he has a roster full of ECNL players including from the other PA ECNL teams.
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