Folks, ODP is a huge money making machine for an organization that lies to the public. In fact it should not be allowed to state what they say, "Olympic Development Program". More than likely it should be called ODDP, "Olympic Dreamers Development Program". If your son or daughter is a highly skilled player, he or she would not be paying the outrageous amount of money these people charge. These are modern charlatans that prostitute the beautiful game of futbol.And no I am not a pissed off parent that my child did not make it, on the other hand, my child did make the next level....but we realized it was not worth all the traveling for mediocre training. One year s good enough for the record. Most college coaches will,tell you it doesn't matter to them wether or not your kid played ODP in the past.
In NJ ODP friendly on Saturday May 31, does anyone know who won the last game at 4:30 between the 98 vs. 97s?
Seriously? It was a scrimmage and not filled with much effort at that. Why would you possibly care.
he seems to be obsessed with ODP and this blog lol. sounds sick !
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Hopefully this insight can help. I actually have one son who also plays professionally (MLS). He did ODP for a number of years. ODP was a much more important program back in the day. Now that clubs have stepped up their presence, not only Academy programs but most clubs in Region 1, ODP has lost much of its attractiveness. I still have a daughter going through ODP today. she enjoys the program but I also realize this is only one way for her to be seen. Most of the clubs have also stepped up their programs for girls, and not only the ECNL clubs. ODP needs to change. Their communication is the worst I have seen, but my daughter still loves the program because she gets to meet many girls from all around the state. Parents need to keep in mind that is not just the end result that is important. It is the journey and the experience that keep them interested. There is a significant cost to ODP that makes it difficult to justify. But for those who can afford the fees it can provide a great experience along the journey for your child but you need to understand it does not carry the value it did in the past.
the cost is crazy, for what you get. I would love to see the books on this program.
Anyone care to comment on the girls 00 weekend? This is the best in the state?
The pool was even worse at the girls 99 weekend. Not worth the money to play with that caliber.
YMMV with ODP. Not for people who have tight money or live more than an hour from Trenton. Don't cry if your kid does ODP and you pay for it, and don't cry if your kid doesn't do it or gets cut. It really matters so little as compared to when Claudio and Tab were in it.But the worst part is that NJ should be the leader for state ODP programs, and they lag behind many states in what exposure kids get and the experiences offered. Our kids are scrimmaging each other and VA state pool kids are going overseas? Unreal.
00 girlsVenue was ridiculous at lawrenceville. The fields were tiny. 3 yards to the touch line from the penalty box. At most 85 yards long. I wouldn't mind that if the surface was excellent since small fields promote possession. But the grass was 6 inches long. The surface was very uneven and no possession was truly possible in that crap. Most kids are used to playing on turf or at least decent grass fields. Refs were young kids. Coaches were horrible. The players' skills and soccer IQ were hugely variable. I won't pay to have my child participate next year. I can't believe I was naive enough to pay for regional camp.
2001's Just terrible. The subbing, play, fields, coaching, teamwork. Just horrible. Total waste. Some girls played all 3 games and played the whole game. Totally wasn't fair and a bunch of bs. That why NJ lowers couldn't win a game. Ball hogging all over the field!
I agree watched all lower games, way to much ball hogging, to much me ball. Didn't get subbing either. Don't know what coaches saw, but would not pay for a another year of that.
It's a shame to, I think NJ lowers had the most talent in that bracket but to much of a showcase.
Girls, don't worry the boys have issues too. No one goes to practice so there is no continuity. Those that don't go to practice, no worries, you will play. If you are good enough to be chosen for the state team you should play.
Ok, we get it--you have some weird vendetta about NJ ODP. Quit already since your child (clearly) is so miserable you have nothing else to do all day. I actually think you are working for a competitor or something.
PA 2001 parent here. I was also disappointed in the quality of the Lawrenceville fields. It's a cliche to complain about unmowed fields, but I think we all complain because it really isn't that hard to make sure the fields get mowed a few days before the tournament. It was bad enough that the fields were so small.
NJ ODP Organization never seems to be embarrassed. I know the field you are talking about. there is no doubt that it isn't within the parameters set forth by FIFA. Other states must laugh at us for these substandard facilities. There are 20 turf fields in the Trenton area. Why do they have to go to a rec field?
ODP in NJ is NOT worth the money. Actually it is quite a rip off. No more ODP for my family, money is better spent on ID camps at a college of your choice.
Why all the knocking of ODP? If it's another program the kids like to compete in and chance to play and compete with other players should be no big deal. Sure there are great players in academy, there are very good players elsewhere too- Why parents hate on others kids really is hard to understand. I know of plenty of high level players at odp, academy, or neither and it's all good. Ps academy isn't the end all either , having been at pro academies outside the us, very few of the us kids would be signed, there's always someone better then you , so what, let the kids train and compete where it makes sense for them.
Problem mostly related to poor commitment to quality programming from organization to facilities to support. Simply cautionary to potential consumers. A kind of Angie's list review of the program. Seems most are not recommending it. From my family's experience with PA Odp. I have a 2000 girl. She played up the first year with the 99 u12 program. I thought that year it was an excellent value for what was clearly an id program. Though there was a small number of local training sessions they largely had combined sessions and did the tiered field system of id. Moving kids up or down all session based on performance. The coaches were attentive and seemed fully engaged. The facilities were largely decent. The nc program was well done. The next year they seemed more focused on the local programs even the combined sessions were just local sessions all in one place. The head coach picked the teams A, B, C etc based in one or two sessions and I am sure local coaches recommendations. Nc was ok. There was a clear "socialization" of the programming. The next year Philly had a clear a and b team and was very well done largely because of an excellent penn Fuison coach. The venue at kirkwood was decent. This year socialism has completely won out. " Balanced " translation non competitive teams with huge variation in skills and game understanding. and terrible venue. Not sure it's worth it anymore because of a trend toward inclusiveness in a program that was created to be an id program. Mike Barr should understand and carry out the mission of odp better. It is not headed in the right direction. The way they carried it out this year it actually hurt the PA kids chances to be identified. Other states had real a and b teams. Pa balanced teams could not compete well with the top teams in VA and in NJ. Barr is trying to turn odp into a developmental program for travel level players. Since travel level will be all that's left in epysa as the best move toward us club soccer leagues, maybe he is simply brilliantly proactive in predicting the future of all Usysa programs.
If there's a lack of talent then get your talented kid and their talented friends and go rock ODP. It'll be fun and it gives your kid more experience with other players and coaches. And that's always good. Why limit your player? Do you only go to your club practices and games? Or does your player attend a training academy, play pick up with their friends, attend a soccer camp, or just juggle in the backyard?Why hate on what is at worst simply another opportunity to play and to meet some other players and coaches?
Because for what they charge they should have picked a decent venue.
Boys venue was great. No issue there.
No hate, just comments. I took my talented kid there and the Girls 99 weekend was a waste of her time. Too many extremes in skill level, just was not an enjoyable experience.
Agree. What state are you from? EPA has an A and B team. Now they are taking playups from the 00 to create full rosters for next weekend. Both teams advanced in the tournament. Not sure that there is now validation of enough "quality" players to justify 2 teams or just a statement as to the overall of the quality of the teams.
I also agree about the talent level and waste of money. I have two daughters in NJ ODP years 99 and 00 and we will not be back next year!
It is a shame on the girls side. Boys have better options. My son asked will I tryout for Odp while watching his sister play. Told him you have tip and union juniors, so no you won't. Daughter loves the social side but training/facilities/criminal price makes me hope doesn't want to tryout again.
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Beware....Illinois ODP had a predetermined roster before the season began!!! On the first day of winter training, the players were told, by the coaches, that most, if not all of the players from last year will be selected for the Illinois state team and most likely you will not be! No joke...this actually happened!!! I would not have signed up for this if I knew this was going to happen!!! My son was used as a practice buddy for those players!!! When I asked the people running the program if this was true, they did not deny it and explained the ODP process. They could not answer a direct question. Sad but true. As for the reviews, the head coach was not professional with his review. He could only afford to write 5 word sentences for his review! He obviously did not know or care who he was talking about....very general comments and shows lack of concern for him as a player. This was very unprofessional and they consider themselves professionals. They are a disappointment! Save your money for private lessons with professionals that care...these people don't! (6/25/2014)
It sounds like there may be wide variability in the talent level of the kids that participate in ODP depending on the state. Not all but a fair number of talented kids form Virginia's top teams participate in ODP.
What exactly do these coaches look at? Some 99 choices were questionable at best.
What a waste of time this past weekend at ODP.
This is a forum to post information, please do so. If you had a bad experience please tell us why.
It seems like most of the call back list was decided before tryouts was even done. I know it is not a perfect system to look at players. But some players to not get a fair chance.
ODP Camp was a waste to an extent. The girls basically only played soccer less the 3 hours per day. Games in am that lasted 50 mins, two 25 min halves, 45 min of actual training in afternoon, and games in evening, again 50 mins. We pay $800 for what, transportation, food, and room? Disorganized as any player or even chaperon will tell you. Aside from two fields, all other fields were atrocious, peaks and valleys, minimal grass, dirt flying all over which is unhealthy. Unless you played on the two bermuda grass fields, no one had a true first touch due to field conditions. Not a great experience for players. We will have to rethink next years commitment to this camp.
What was the criteria for the boys regional camp selections? It seemed like a lot of very skilled players did not get chosen. What were they looking for?
Size, Size, Size. Ask the coach is size matters, they will tell you yes. Aside from size, you have returning players that they know, a stud here and there and some stiff competition. Dont worry about it if you were not chosen for a region team.
NJ YOUTH SOCCER OLYMPIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM TRYOUTS SET FOR AUGUST 2-3 AND 9-10Open tryouts for NJ Youth Soccer’s 2015 Olympic Development Program (ODP) will be held Saturday and Sunday, August 2-3 and 9-10 at the College of New Jersey. The program, in cooperation with US Youth Soccer, identifies a select pool of boy and girl elite players born 1998 to 2002 in each age group from which there is an opportunity to be selected to the US Youth Soccer Regional and/or National Team. These tryouts begin at the state level. NJ Youth Soccer ODP players are selected by senior NJ Youth Soccer coaches who are recognized for their ability to identify and train players with superior skills. Candidates are evaluated on four key soccer components: technique, tactics, fitness and athletic ability, and psychological component (attitude).Players initially selected for the program will become part of the NJYS State Team pool from which the final State Team will be selected in early 2015. From there, State Team players will be considered for Region 1 teams which may also offer opportunities for international competition. Players who are selected for the Regional ODP team pools are also candidates for the National Team selection process.Tryout times are based upon age group. To register and learn more, visit www.njyouthsoccer.com or call (609) 490-0725.
NJYSA has some nerve to keep advertising this debacle! My 00 and 99 girls will NOT be back!
I recently had the experience of seeing how kids are selected for STATE team and found it lacks some objective value.
Good Luck to the 7 '99 Jersey Boys selected for Regional Call Back Camp!
Why are your '99 and '00 girls not going back? Did they go to regional camp?
NJ ODP stinks on ice.
Agreed! NJ Odp waste of money!
Has anyone recently attended the 7/22 ODP 2015 tryout (Boys or Girls) at Graham Field, Cranberry PA? What were your experiences? If not, what has been your recent (2013-2014) experiences with PA-West ODP?
It is a bunch of loser Stiller fans. Just kiddin. Good group of kids at all ages.
I'm new to this blog and to the ODP discussion. Can anyone tell me when tryouts are for girls born in 2003? Thanks
My very advanced and talented 11 yr old daughter attended the Ohio South Youth Soccer Association ODP training for the second year in 2013-2014. She advanced to the OSYSA Region 2 (Dayton) team and was thus a part of the miserable free for all fiasco known as the "festival". No attempt at balanced teams. Indifferent coaching and non-existent refereeing. It was obvious that the coaches from Cinci and Columbus essentially ran the ODP program and "split" the state team between them. Coaching staff who viewed my daughters "ratings" from allegedly objective coaches said the comments were so wildly inaccurate that it could only be deliberate fraud. Honestly, after having seen ECNL teams play, the ODP teams made up of Columbus Crew Juniors and Cinci United Premier (CUP) players really did not impress me. I think we'll forego any more ODP nonsense and save the money for serious development camps that aren't a sham for advancing pre-selected players to a state team. No wonder ODP is losing credibility and ECNL club play is increasingly evident among the womens varsity players in top universities. I just don't have time for nonsense which wastes time and money while raising unrealistic expectations in my daughter.
First with ODP you as the parent need to have a very clear vision of your kids skill level. Just because they are a superstar on their team doesn't automatically equate to a spot on the roster where many are above average players on their team. I've listen to bragging parents boasting how their kid scored 15 goals so far and they are playing in MOSA. The kid doesn't make the cut and the parent is blasting how ODP is a rip-off. That is not a clear vision of where your kid is in the big picture. Obviously, skill is paramount, but if they can't adapt to a new environment, position or have "coachability" they may not make the cut. For instance, if there are 90 kids trying out and 75 are centers and forwards and the coach puts your kid in the back and they say that's not where I want to play, or they fail to adapt to a different position more than likely they will not advance. That goes for college selection, try to find a college that is recruiting solely for the position your kid plays. I learned the first go around and started my kid in the program early, I am now holding off until U14 for my younger kid. We've had a very positive experience this past year with the quality of the players selected, coaching staff and results. It is what it is, you just have to realistic expectations and a clear vision of where your kid is and the potential they have to play at the next level.
10:33 I agree with you 100%. What you pointed out is exactly how they evaluate at ODP. There are certain things they look for regarding coach-ability. My daughter did say that some of the girls complained about where they were placed during small sided/full field matches. Those girls did not make ODP. My child did not make it the 1st year. I asked for the evaluation from the coach, not to judge their decision but to use it as a tool for my kid to improve. I let her see the evaluation/suggestion for improvement, she worked on the things that the coach pointed out, she made the ODP team the following year.
We have two girls that made the odp regional team that are not starters on our ECNL team. enough said!
Well put then.....ECNL..pay to play and politics over quality selection trumps all. My daughter plays on an ECNL team....if you ard will to put out the cash...you play. Is it possible that those players should be starters? You may want to ask yourself......how well does that particular ECNL team fare in tournament/league play? What is the purpose of that team.....to hinder opportunity by not starting them or developing a player to meet their potential. At the end of the day....these young ladies need to be recruited by colleges, not hindered. ODP....you pay for a try out......with more girls than an ECNL tryout......you are selected.....then you pay your fee. Pretty straight forward to me.
I've been reading these posts and am surprised at the rudeness and degree of unhappiness. Anyway, this has been my son's first experience with an ODP try out. In some ways it was organized well---numbers assigned to kids, fields assigned by ages etc. But what amazed me and disappointed me about the tryouts which were yesterday and today was how there was very little coach input as to the organization of the kids as they played. They appeared to let the kids determine positions and basically the bullies and overly assertive kids placed themselves continuously in their chosen position and would not rotate and allow others to play those positions. The coaches seemed either unaware or uncaring about this. I would think that they would want to see how all players perform in different positions in evaluating them. I also would think they would not want to just have a bunch of overly assertive/bullies as strikers and front line kids---but that maybe the more technically skilled kid who is less of a bully and less assertive would fit the bill on the team just as well. But as the tryouts are presently structured they may never see what a lot of kids could do if given the opportunity. I don't have a clue whether my child will or will not make the team at this point. But I am disappointed in how the try outs are run. I do think that like any organization--sports or otherwise some politics are involved. Of course the coaches kids will make the team----but I don't really have trouble with this since they are in rec and often in travel teams the ones volunteering their time and energy to coach (unlike myself) and often it is in reality to give their kid an edge. It's part of the natural pay back for all they give. My kid will either make it on his own talent and efforts or not because I don't have the knowledge, skill, or time to coach a team. All things have politics. I'm sure ODP is no different. In many things it's who you know not your skills or abilities that give an edge. This is true in sports try outs, work place, getting into Ph.D and MD programs etc. But sometimes persistance and effort wins out ultimately and then you feel great that you made it on your merits not because your Dad or Mom is a coach or knows the admissions officer etc. My son went to the UVA camp this summer and got all very high ratings and he and I knew no one there. So I know he's a very good player and has natural ability. He's played since age 3 and at age 2 a GMU soccer player told his day care provider who had the chance to "play" with him that he had amazing foot skills for a two year old. Now he is quite a bit older and those have obviously only gotten better with years of training, practice and his passion for the game. I hope in the future that the ODP coaches try to take more of a hand in seeing that all kids get the opportunity to show their skills in the different positions that they would like to demonstrate their abilities. This seems only fair. I don't think pushy kids (in my sons case age 12)---pushy kids of 12 should be dictating where kids play during the tryouts. My son indicated several times his interest in playing up but the pushing boys refused to alternate positions. Where were the coaches? My son can be quite aggressive/assertive on the field but as a person he is not a bully. In the long run, I am proud that my son is not a bully and whether he makes this team or not really is not the end or all or be all of his future in soccer.
My daughter attended ODP tryouts for the Northern District pool today at Bolen Park in Leesburg, VA. Over 100 girls attended the 2001 age group tryouts, including approximately 20 girls who were evaluated for GK positions on the teams. First day consisted of small-sided 4v4 games to cones and the second day they played 7v7 with goalies and used both regular goals and cones. Overall, the ODP Tryouts were well organized and coaches appeared to be engaged and taking notes on girls' performance on the pitch. It appeared preliminary decisions were made on the first day as the girls were broken down into six (6) 7v7 groups right at the beginning of the second day. It was difficult to determine the girls who were ranked to be among the most skilled and talented, although the initial call-up appeared to be the group of girls that were among the players to be selected.VYSA volunteer parents informed us that selections would be posted online on the web page in approximately 5 days. Last year, the 2001 age year group had 43 girls selected on the first year of their participation in the ODP program. We will have to wait a few more days to see how many are called back or selected to continue in the program.Many of the girls at the tryouts played vigorously, displayed advanced technical skills and demonstrated a high level of athleticism, which was expected as many of these young soccer players play for large clubs with excellent travel soccer programs in one of the most competitive areas of the country.
"Two years ago, half the players called into the U20 WNT were involved in the ECNL. This past camp, that number skyrocketed to 19 of 20. Standouts like Taylor Racioppi, Cari Roccaro and Mallory Pugh are closing in on those opportunities."odp- a bridge to know where.Dont waste your money .And yes my daughter made it to Nat pool last year.Great experience too much money. and what's next.
And 15 of the 21 also participated in ODP at some level per article at usyouthsoccer.com..ODP probably got them on the radar..
OH SNAP! Great point 11:58. The program is call ODP...Olympic Development Program.....not ECNLDP. The end result is to work your best in order to get on a national team to play in the olympics......hence Olympic Development Program. Nothing is perfect and ODP is a great organization!
NJ ODP is over. The best boys do not pay to play or train...(think union & red bulls)if you do your son is not there yet, unless you are on Real, TSF or PDA.ODP = $ for state controlled youth rec soccer. Organized chaos that results in 4-0 losses to VA and PA. Ask any NJ ODP coach what the pool is like above U13, good players at best but not close to the best talent in NJ or the other states they face. Went to Williamsburg friendlies - parent from another state whose son just rolled up with his team on a bus from their team hotel asks: Are you going to NC for the tournament? Response: sorry what tournament is that? Check VA, PA, MD, DE ODP sites, at least they recognize players and their recent accomplishments (boys and girls) and promote the program. In NJ you are just a # and a $. $50 tryout fee$1000 state training fee (with biased coaches)Free VA Friendlies + hotels / gas / food / etc...(no team unity just show up)$225 for mini-campFree tournament vs. Region 1 Teams at Rider$600 Region I ID camp<<>>Multiply that x the number at each age group and what do you get what? line on your soccer resume The best was a comment was from our coach at the VA friendlies who said they split the talent equally to better develop the players....the focus is not on winning. Agreed however - what about the best play the best to get better or even measure talent against talent for Region I placement and beyond in ODP National Pool? Not in NJ.Thank you NJYSA, first year was awesome 2nd year was a money grab (25 North players/25 South players / mixed region 1 tournament play).
11:58.These girls came through the ECNL national pool, not the odp national pool. And it was FREE!They were chosen through the ecnl system . Now ODP wants to take credit for players that have been going through the ecnl system these past 5 years.Surely if odp was all that there would be others not in the ecnl that were chosen for national team but clearly thats not the case.They all .were looked at and evaluated to step up to the National team through a FREE System!
If you can get there through a Free system, why would you pay thousands of dollars each year.This is why ODP is a program of the past.
What is free about ECNL? Do you not think that ECNL is not a money grab? If this is true about those current players that were ID through their system…..they paid….and paid dearly. ECNL cost 3 times as much as a season of ODP. Yes you may get games/tournament play for a season (and supposedly….ID by college coaches at the games…..which I am waiting to see), which adds up when you incorporate travel expenses on top of league fees. My estimation of this is pretty factual because my daughter plays on an ECNL team and is an ODP player. Yes…..we do pay a lot for soccer. My daughter enjoys it and that is what matters. If all works out, it will pay in the end……a possible college scholarship, a look from a college that would probably not be on her radar or a chance on a national team. Who knows!?!I also know a girl that is not on an ECNL team that is an outstanding player currently on ODP. I am impressed with her ability, as I have heard from some of the ODP coaches, who are D1 coaches, that she has great soccer sense and ability. She made the ODP team without the politics of ECNL/etc. She came out of nowhere and out played 98% of the other girls that are ECNL members. I am sorry to say but the system seems to be working. Our ECNL team and other ECNL teams have approached this girl to play for them and she has declined. I will assume that there is no benefit for this girl to play on an ECNL team due to playing on the ODP team or because she is on a fast track without the ECNL/NPL or whatever politics.Don’t get me wrong, ECNL is a good avenue for soccer. I think some parents have their children on an ECNL team thinking that their little “Mary” is the best player……so if she goes out for any other team/program (ODP), they should take her. That is not the case……remember, some of these coaches, especially when you get to the high school age for ODP, U14, U15, U16 etc…. are COLLEGE coaches ID’ing these young ladies. Sorry that little “Mary” had 50 goals fall season but was not picked up for ODP. Is it possible she did not perform consistently during tryouts? Is it possible that when placed in a climate of equal or better talent..…she didn’t fare well? Instead of bashing the program, take a look at the situation at hand and if there are so many from the ECNL program (program costing parents thousands of $$) on the national team……maybe it’s a biased system after all, because there are other programs…..which I know have equal or better talent. PAYOLA!!!!If I am not mistaken, ECNL (PDA) will let you play, with the premise that you are developing. They really don’t cut you perse but they will take your money and place you on a development program of some sort…..not sure how this works but I know that it exists. ODP, you pay for a tryout (fee possibly = coordinators time, field rental, coaches time, etc). Nothing is free in any competitive sport. So as….I was saying….ODP, you pay for a tryout, you get cut or you make it. No gray area…..like stay with the team….regardless of talent….pay an astronomical amount of money and not develop. Remember…..you are competing with the bonus of developing. That is why it is a tryout……someone has to get cut. Little “Mary” will learn this either sooner or later. Ahhhh!!!!…..the spirit of competition.
For the record, I am "Anonymous" who last posted in July re. the disappointing experience with Ohio South Youth Soccer ODP. Two responders quickly jumped to the conclusion that there was an issue with my daughter's "coachabilty". Dunno where that came from. Really?Well, since I am not posting to bash ODP generally and was merely sharing one experience with one specific org (ohio south ysa), I'd like to ask if anyone has had experience with girls playing on teams with MLS team affiliation. I'm now looking at a club affiliated with the Columbus Crew Juniors. There isn't a us soccer recognised Crew development academy for girls at this point. There is an "elite" team, though. The objective is to entry to US Soccer Youth National Team development training. College offers aren't the primary concern. Suggestions? Experiences? I hesitate to "go ECNL" because of travel demands conflicting with school and cost.Thanks,Anon in Southwest Ohio
12:36.The purpose of ODP is to identify next level talent.Parents have to pay for the ODP process.Many of these kids play for non ecnl teams that charge significantly-"so called academies'The end result at the national odp level seems to be that the girls in this special pool are still not good enough to make the jump to the USSF pool.It appears the opposite at the ECNL level.19 of 20 is a significant stat with no room for misinterpretation.On top of this , although the league of ecnl is certainly not free, the part that compares to the ODP process, is indeed free. It appears to be a no brainer to me with regards to which process is the better process for identification purposes.I suppose yo could try and do both, but why would you spend the extra money if your daughter is already being recognized by the ecnl process.
11:14Good point but......if ECNL is so efficient in their process. Why do the girls that play on an ECNL team try out for ODP? My daughter is on an ECNL team (PDA) and some of the parents feel their ID process is lacking in some areas. If I am not mistaken, the NJ 99 girls have all but 1 girl that plays ECNL (PDA) on the Region 1 team/pool. They selected 5 girls altogether. I also believe that there are many avenues to be ID. Maybe the national program has to look at consolidating the process and possibly make it so that one program (ECNL, NPL, ODP, etc) is responsible for the next level.
1:27.two different issues.ecnl vetting process is at a higher standard, the fact that 4/5 99 pda players made odp regional pool but perhaps did not get ID through ECNL may prove that point.The other issue is when the ecnl coach just flat out gets it wrong.For this player, odp may be another avenue for recognition.You must remember, it is not only just the coach of the player that can ID another player, A player may be ID'd by another coach in the ecnl league and by the numerous ID scouts that watch the games to identify talent.Perhaps both sytems should be intergrated but there is much too much money on the ODP side for that to happen.
99 Boys turnout, not good.
Curious what you (Aug 6 8:55 am) mean by "99 Boys turnout, not good"Also don't understand how my 99 boy just tried out for the District Pool at the same time other 99 boys were being named to the Region Pool... both for the 2014-2015 season?Thanks in advance for helping me to understand this stuff.---1st-Time ODP Parent of 99 boy
Turnout of talent and numbers was not good. Your son is trying out for the State pool and if selected will then need to try out for the State team, much harder to accomplish. Then you try out for the Region 1 pool, even harder to attain.
3:01 how many 99 boys were there? Were they any good? I know many 99's that never tried out or by now dont because they know they will never make the national team. It is a lot of money for very little.
@ Aug 6 3:01 PMThe boys who just made the regional team made it at the end of last year's ODP cycle, for this year. ODP goes district-> state -> regional. District sessions are in the fall, then some move on to state ODP after a district tournament (which is the tryout for state). State training goes through the winter, and then there is a state tournament in June. From this, some kids are invited to regional camp. After the camp a regional team is selected. Thus the region I pool which was just announced is the end of the 2013-14 cycle. Does that help?
Turnout at the 98's very weak. Where did everyone go? Looked like many have just stopped coming.
NJ 98's? Boys or Girls?
Are you allowed to tryout up a year for ODP?
no, but why would you want to? Short of going to the National team, part of having ODP on your kid's soccer resume is to show that they have been separated and have excelled against their peers at a high level. Why wouldnt you want to your player to be a superstar on age than a average player playing up? Pretty sure the way things are structured these days the days of heather O'reilly joining the Sr. WNT at 16 are over.
Re: ODP trai ning through winter (from August 7th post):New kids just trying out are to begin in April, correct?Thanks
Yes. New kids (that make the NJ team) will train in April. Be prepared to pay a lot and get very little.
They are up front about what you "get"Maybe your expectation level should have been tempered going in.I think many players dont return because it is just so much soccer to play - in addition to their already packed club trainingOthers of course since their daughter didnt attain the level thye believed was deserved.....But a nice copout is the "it's not worth the dollars".
12:56I agree with you. Instead of most coming back and working hard between seasons.....some of the parents use that as a cop out because their daughter/son just didn't cut it. So they go back to their club teams to be a star there. The outlook of challenging players is discouraging to most.
Any idea on when the regional pool list will be out?
The regional pool for the girls is posted on the region 1 website. The boys pool is not out yet per no update on the region 1 websites.
I hope the regional pool has some players in it - or were they passed over by politics and stereotypes of what a WNT player should be?We have talked about the rest of the world catching up to us in Womens soccer. Yesterday North Korea, yes North Korea knocked out our u20's. If any of you watched any of the games lots of just kicking the ball and way to much dribbling. AND that my friends fits into what our selectors see as top players. Athletic, Physical girls that can run and hold the ball way to much. When will that change? Not until you have soccer minds running these programs and you leave out everything else and let them play. Can they dribble can they use both feet, can they pass, do they know what to do when the win a ball? How in the world do we lose to North Korea at any age?
The 00 girls roster lists several small technical player but leaves out one of the best small technical players from NJ. More technical players listed than one would expect. Probably will not be successful against the beasts other regions will choose. At this age not sure they will have the time together to make the most of their game. Technical games require a long time of familiarity to work. But maybe the wins in boca are not what the selectors were choosing for.
10 training sessions, 1000$ 100 per sessionNEVER have 10 sessions actually take placeYou call that value or even reasonable?
Anyone with insight on when the Boys Regional results will be posted?
1000 for 10 sessions is highway robbery especially when the "trainers" do not show up for all of the sessions. And have the players scrimmage for half the time. BTW that is 1000 for 26 players. Some of which get relegated to the sub squad and play in one game out of three for the regionals. If NJ EVER wants to field a competitive team again they need to ask Virginia how its done.
In other words, your kid didn't make the cut. My son did ODP in NJ 3 years and there were never 26 kids on his team. Ever. More like 18-20 because all kids are not avail at all times. This is supplemental participation.
My son made ODP every year and there were always 22 on the state team. Without exception, 22. That is 22,000 dollars for 10 training sessions. Yes that is correct.
No offense to the ODP parents, but a 1000 for 10 sessions; not worth it. When a parent that I know told me that his son had made the ODP team I was shocked; the kid is sub par player and spends more time on the bench then on the field for his club team. You do the the math 1000 to play on a team with 22 players were some players are not even at an ODP level.
Everyone has to see for themselves. My daughter played last year and it's safe to say she told me she didn't want to tryout anymore. Let's just say that made me happy. ODP won't miss my kid and I won't miss ODP. Like anything see for yourself if it's worth it - what's not worth it to me might be worth it to someone else.$1,000 for 10 sessions plus events? plus regional camp? I think something like approx 2k. Like I said many people love ODP and posted many wonderful stories. I just say see for yourself.
I wonder if this year they are going to publish the tryouts results on their site on the date they promised, meaning today :)
list are posted.
Either I'm crazy or stupid or someone else is. The posted list looks exactly as the one from last year, same numbers, same everything. I don't know but am I going crazy? lol
I hope you understand numbers are handed out randomly. My son received a different number from last year's tryout.Anyways, you should not read much into numbers. It's the players behind the numbers.
In fact I'm not crazy yet, they had indeed posted last year's list at first, the right list was posted afterwards. Well I guess people make mistakes and they fix them too :)
Ahhhh...I was wondering where were the 2002s. So agree, you are not crazy :-)
Just wander if anyone else sees that almost everyone who tried out made it? Kind of think that is strange. Any input on this? Might be a waste of time, and money.
Do it for one year and you will see just what a waste of time and money ODP really is.
My son tried ODP last year and enjoyed the competitiveness. The 2002s were particularly skilled. Most like will not be doing this year as the costs are expected to be around $1600. Tough when you are already paying close to that on club team. We will continue to monitor ODP...
How will you monitor ODP? It is very watered down, still have some quality players but MANY dont even look at it anymore.
EPYSA tryouts this weekend. Boys hit hard by DA. Girls still competitive. My kid has enjoyed the experience. Expensive yes, but in our experience with a 2000 girl, overall worthwhile.
Does anyone know how many 02' girls tried out and how many made it? Just curious.
It looks like they only cut a couple (if any) and intend to cut in April 2015, after you pay another fee.
So what is the cost for the next year f ODP? I here anywhere from $1600 - $2000. Is that correct? Can anyone shed light on this for me before I put out any money to have my kid not make the next cuts? Taking 80 kids to April for another set of cuts that may knock down the number to below 50? What is the real deal here?
If ODP stipulates a dress code for tryouts, White shirt, Black shorts and Black socks, then why are PDA players who show up wearing Sky blue shorts and socks allowed to participate? Make them buy a pair of black socks in order to take the field. Wouldn't want anyone to unfairly attempt to influence the coaches now.
Dress code would not help, the minute PDA players put down their club/team on the registration, they are in, even B and C team players.
If they are showing up to ODP tryouts they must be on the club team and not the Academy team. Not influencing anyone to be honest IMO.
3 PDA '00 birth year u15 ECNL players on the region 1 pool (but interestingly not the boca interregional "A" roster)The three letters Don't completely carry the day on the girls side
Great point 2:14 PM.
What's "boca interregional "A" roster"? So they did go through NJ ODP to be on the Region 1 pool?
Yes they do state ODP, generally play in the June tournament, and then go to July regional camp. The last few years has been university of RI but likely will change next due to the upheaval in Region1. Every day or twice a day at regioonal camp they post "id lists" these are the kids they are looking to potentially add to the regional pool. The id list kids train together in front of the region 1 coaches. They even develop a A id list and B id list over the course of the camp. The kids are anxious all three days as the lists are posted on whether they got cut or got added. It is painful but there is a real life lesson in it. The last day they name the rosters for the events. The top event (A) roster for U14 and above is the competitive tpournament showcase between all 4 regions which occurs during Thanksgiving week. The rest of the kids go to a "national ODP camp" ususally in AZ. The U13 dont compete only the top kids go to the "national camp" the rest are also included in 1 or 2 other camps.Of intrest at least one of the PDA kids went to the U13 national camp last year, but I dont think was chosen for the boca ("A") event at u14.I dont believe any of the PDA '00 kids are going to Boca
Good summary and correct information. You don't find those posts too often on this board.In addition the girls invited to Boca are invited to an International Trip (Croatia, Russia, Costa Rica, Germany Etc). Those rosters have not been announced yet, but we had heard that they would be posted by the end of August. The shake up could be the delay there.
Int'l trip?Sounds like another money grab by the state!
These trips are made up from the regional pools.which are the region1 states.not NJODP state team
Interesting phenomenon at EPYSA tryouts. Some solid players choosing not to play for state team, because they were not recognized at the regional level. Some are justifiably upset over the slight, but most are bubble interchangeable players with the bottom of the regional roster. There are a few real head scratchers both in inclusions and exclusions, but generally it looks reasonable. Most (not all) of the generally accepted "best" players were included. No roster in this situation is perfect, and no one claims it can be, but to make a conclusion that a whole program is garbage because it is not perfect, is unjust. Interestingly some solid players are bouncing into the program realizing that they are in the range to potentially make the regional pool. This effect should balance out the equation so that EPYSA isn't crushed in the tournament. Hey Mr. Barr go back to "a" team and "B" team. the other states are not "balancing" their teams...
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