There are 97 boys who made it and did not attend one tryout or or the VA friendlies. And several who only attended the last day of final tryouts (and f'd around).Attendance might matter if they don't know who your kid is. Otherwise, it is meaningless. They basically begged some of the 97 boys to try out or join without trying out.The best a previous year can be cut because the coaches keep changing.
You contradict yourself 12:48
Looks like the bully's back in action!
If calling out someone for not making sense then ok
This Saturday was the 2003's tournament festival to wrap up ODP's inaugural "Young Olympian" program. Here's my summary of the girls' program for anyone considering it next year:$30 Tryout Fee - 1.5 hour outdoor tryout session in late November comprised of small-sided scrimmages. Every player who showed up was apparently accepted. Skill level varied from quite good to much less skilled. T shirt provided.$250 Program Fee - Four indoor training sessions in January and February either in Wayne or Pitman, of 1.5 - 2 hours in length. If I interpreted the emails correctly, if any of those sessions had been cancelled due to weather, they would not have been made up, but none of them were cancelled. One outdoor "festival" of scrimmages in late April in Wall among the NJ players (originally scheduled for Manalapan but changed in late March).My own thoughts on the girls' side: the main trainer during the training sessions was good; the assistant trainer less so. However, the disparity in player ability (since they accepted every player who participated) undermined the training (significantly at times). As for the "festival", it was, to say the least, unorganized. Scheduled from 3:00-5:00, they didn't even start play until just before 3:30. There were five fields of play: two small-sided fields, 9v9 with keepers and real goals; two half-fields with 8v8, no keepers, and two Pugg goals on each end line spread wide apart; one quarter field with 4v4, no keepers, one Pugg goal. No referees, and one coach/trainer per field, some of whom appeared to be evaluating players, and some of whom just appeared to be watching. Non-pinnied teams rotated from field to field every 15 minutes. The teams were apparently formed simply by tryout number, meaning whichever girls walked up to the tryout registration table in November right before or after you ended up on your team.I can't say it was entirely a waste of time, but I can't give it close to an unqualified recommendation either.- EE
Thanks for the feedback on the Festival. Choosing one program over another is always a tough choice. Opinions are very subjective, so my view is to try something at least once.Am taking my son to the 2002 ODP tryouts today. Not sure what to expect, but willing to give it a shot.- DAT
Well if they cancelled practice because the fields were in bad shape due to rain the day before a couple of weeks ago, looks like they will cancel practice again tomorrow. Do they make up cancelled sessions? Or maybe credit the cost of a session towards the camp?
9:29amI was thinking the same thing. At a cost of $100 practice, 1st one cancelled and possibly this week too, I hope it will be applied to offset something else.Anyone run into this situation in years past?
No refunds or credits for cancellations of practices, yet we keep sending our kids. I may as well just take a match to my money and save some gas.
So not true. Coach told my son's team that the one training rain-out a few weeks back will be made up at the end of the training. If you are so disgruntled, stop torturing yourself and just pull your child out of the program.Or are you from US Club soccer trying to promote your lame-a-- ID program?Kind of transparent, doncha think?
@803, I am on the Girls side and we do not get refunds or make ups. Kind of wrong, doncha think?
The following two items were on NJYS Facebook page today:1) NJ Youth Soccer Girls ODP is cancelled tonight due to weather. Please note the two (inclement weather) make-up sessions for GIRLS will be held Wednesday, June 18 and 25.2)BOYS 1997-2001s: Two (inclement weather) make-up sessions for BOYS have been added on:Tuesday, June 17 and 24. - EE
Sounds good. My son is enjoying the ODP experience so far. I don't know what these haters are talking about.
Boys have only had one practice cancelled so are they giving an extra practice or cant count?
I find it so ironic that when people post their 'personal' experiences with ODP, people call them haters. What the heck are you doing then on an open forum site....most go on looking to become a bit more educated and obtain various points of view in hopes to make the best decisions for themselves and child. In the case of the 97 boys and poster "(12:48 AM)you are correct that there were very few 97 boys at tryouts and those who did were not nearly at the "old ODP" required skill level. It is a fact. Now if your son is happy and enjoying his experience thats great but you can not deny the level of talent is just not of the highest caliber any longer. So what if 6 out of 20 players are the exception. Any one who says differently definitely has not yet been involved in the college recruiting process. I have and speak with college head coaches every week and I have yet to hear one say that ODP is necessary or the best means for recruitment. The coaches say we don't care how we find you we just need for you to play in front of us....at ID camps, summer camps, showcase tournaments, college visits,etc. So if you want to play with the ODP program because your son enjoys it and feels it is a good experience then it is successful for him, but just realize the ODP program does not automatically mean you are playing amongst the top best talent in your age group. Now bring on the haters...right? Because how dare I share my personal experience and thoughts on an open forum.
ODP DOES allow the players to "play in front of us". That's not from a hater, but a realist.
That's great but college coaches are not flocking in numbers to watch and observe the boys like years in the past because they are well aware of the change in talent. Coaches tell me that having ODP listed on a players bio simply doesn't matter either way anymore, so again, if you play simply to enjoy the experience that's great, but dont' expect it is important or necessary in order to play at the collegiate level.
To say it is NOT an avenue of potential discovery is plain ignorant. Is it the best? Who knows, but it is an option. What if their ODP coach is a coach or assistant coach at a university. Would they potentially recommend your child to another coach that they know? Of course they could. It is one option that your child will NOT have.
We thought ODP could be an alternative option to playing full time for an Academy team. My son was accepted for two Academy teams last year after trying out last May. However, after careful consideration we refused the offers because he didn't want to have to give up his once in his lifetime high school experience. As it is the case, the USDA doesn't allow kids in the Academy teams to play high school or be involved in ANY other soccer activity other than their club. My son happened to have preferred to play for his high school, which he doesn't regret, and then play for an EDP team where he is now, and do ODP on the side. This is working well for him. I appreciated that the ODP coach was honest enough to tell us back in August that being part of an USDA Academy was the best option, but we still opted out given the USDA restrictive policies. I can tell there is a bully here...maybe an ODP hater from another organization :)I'm happy that my son is happy with the plan and so far with ODP. I'm teaching my son to be a grateful and appreciative person, and not to be a put down or hater under any circumstances. I feel bad for the son of this dude...really or maybe he has no son here and is just trying to put down this organization to promote his, like someone suggested...Anyway, don't listen ODP staff, you guys are doing a good job!
As far as I know these posts are anonymous...:)Only one kind of person can hate ODP so much to have time to constantly come to this site to rant about the program. This person must be either 1-A parent who's son or daughter didn't make it and he can't just get over it. 2- A competitor from another organization trying to discredit the program because they don't know another way to attract people to their program. If you hate ODP so much, why would you take your kid to that program??
Can someone give me info about the URI wknd? Like is it worth it? My daughter just made the u12s so we are new to all of this. Thanks
Not entirely sure but URI weekend is for Regional players only and I believe that begins at U13 (2001's).IMO, if you taking this ODP experience to the fullest, why wouldnt you go?
At 10:05.... URI is optional for U12's. I was just wondering if anyone had gone in previous years? My daughter plays for one of the top ecnl clubs in the state so many have told me odp is not necessary. I would like her to try both while she's still young. To give reference to your statement. Thanks.
It's great that she is currently at a top pre-ecnl program (at U12), but to you may not always. Having this experience on her "soccer resume" is always good because it shows that she has already been seperated as a top player from her peers. Just another accomplishment so why not do it if offered (if you financially can)...it's like a student that has straight A's and then comparing a student that has straight A's and has extra cirricular activities. Just another + on the ledger.
URI camp is for all players
@11:19. Gotcha and noted. Has anyone one here been up there for this camp before? I'm asking logistics? Lodging, costs, etc.... I can't seem to find any info. Thanks
This link should help: http://www.region1.com/clubsite/?p=7965
This sheet is the same one they handed out to the girls at the final tryout..also on njyouth site are links to the camp registrations..mini is $200
It's not really revised, this should be the same as the schedule that was given out at the last try out date. Mini-camp was always no overnight.
So the Hershey "Elite" team or delusional coach objected to people taking issue with their false claims regarding "state cup championships". Apparently also miffed at posts citing extraordinarily inflated documentation of accomplishments and had several posts deleted. The posts were mostly simply reiterating what was on their website etc. The toms river, PA Strikers and PDA posts are far worse. Sorry to burst your bubble...
Last year's mini camp at tcnj was overnight
A bunch of us left the BN97 team because the level of players is so below what it used to be. Last year we came in 2nd place but most players didn't return because the coach didn't push for his players at camp. Now there are only 2 good players left, a regional player and a returning defender from last year. Both of them are NPL players and the rest of the team doesn't even play premier level. The coach doesn't even know the players names or where they play. He lets players who were cut last year start over better players. ODP is a joke now! It used to be decent with good players now it is just a joke!! The coaches are worse than ever!!
You seem to know an awful lot and care even more for someone not involved. Grow up.
I heard many girls have left ODP for ECNL. I guess that is where I'll take my kid unless anyone has a better idea.
only 2 ECNL teams in NJ. Racking up miles to chase a league - do your homework 1st
Can do both anyway.
Only girls who cant make an ECNL team go for ODP.
At: May 13, 2014 at 12:55 PM You are absolutely right...someone who knows what they are talking about. Some others on the 97 boys side want so badly to believe otherwise. It was so evident at the tryouts this past summer that my son said he didn't want to continue and attend the final April tryout because of so few players showing up for the tryouts and skill level. Thankfully college coaches already know this.
Wait so all of the girls on the ECNL teams are better than all of the girls on the ODP teams? That seems like a bit of hyperbole.
Yes. You are either on an ECNL team or you suck. Even if you are the 26th player on an ECNL team you are better than all of those girls on ODP. Even the Regional Players!
I really wonder who is this so rotten person who keeps coming here to try to put down a bunch of kids who are doing their best to be involved in healthy and fun activities like competitive soccer to keep them busy, productive, healthy and away from drugs....Yeah listen up: if your daughter doesn't belong to the ECNL league she sucks and so maybe she should just quit and go play video games and later maybe do some drugs...What a shallow moron this person is to keep writing in this blog to put down people who are trying to do positive things with their lives. I wonder why he keeps coming here...what in the hell he is trying to accomplish with his stupd posts?? This person is nothing but a real loser...
You don't know? His daughter was cut. No one else would care.
"You are either on an ECNL team or you suck"Just to be clear, the poster used "YOU" a couple of times. I am pretty sure its not the girl who's posting it but the parent. If you saw the girl face to face would you say "You're not on an ECNL team, oh you must suck"Lighten up.
My guess is sarcasm was at work.
LOL...I hope so. I have seen some venomous comments on this board before.
Clearly a Regional ODP player would be a huge contributor on any ECNL team, so that J-A$$ has no idea what he is talking about.
B97 tryouts were ruined by one of the regional players. How embarrassing the coaches didn't even care. You were smart to stay out, and the few who were begged to come back dumb to fall for it.They didn't even have the class to email those who did not make it, so they lied to the players trying out about emailing everybody.
B97 Dad, as transparent as you are, sorry your son got cut. I know, you will come back here and say he didn't, but we all know the truth. Don't belittle others for your shortcomings.
I want to take a moment to say how disappointing this experience has been. Not due to team placement, but due to lack of professionalism by SOME coaches (others are highly professional). As a second year player, my daughter had a great first year experience. This year, she has a coach that is also coaching a local premier team (same age level which in my opinion is unethical). This coach carpools with half of his first line A team (we know they are A team first line because it is truly the only group he ever works with or observes). He spends little to no time "teaching" or developing any players. He obviously just looks at last years roster list and builds from there. He takes no time to watch and see if players have grown in their skill and could even possibly move within the groups. This is suppose to be a high level of play based on performance, not politics. Unfortunately, it is coaches like this that make a bad name for all of Region I OPD. Very disappointing. I would like to see a revision in coaching requirements to indicate that age level coaches cannot be coaching a local team of that same age group or a year older. They must be coaching a younger age group for travel or premier. It only makes sense. They then can scout possible players coming their way while training and developing all players for ODP...rides and lunch together... not appropriate! Shame on them!
sorry you are having a bad experience. My sons coach is actually coaching, telling them what he wants and is an equal opportunity coach. Meaning he instructs them all equally, good or bad. I am sure he has his favorites, and yes prior year players seem to make it over better players, but the coaching itself has been good.
Hi. Can anyone tell me more about what ODP really is?? Also, how does someone try out? I am guessing tryouts have already happened. Thanks
To May 13, 2014 at 2:21 PMOf course I know a lot about the team. I was on it! I'm a player not a Dad. So many good players didn't return because of the low level of talent and the bad coaching. I have grown up enough to know a dying program when I see it.
To the May 14 poster about ODP coach carpooling with players. Are you talking about NJ or PA ODP? Is it U14? Thx.
mini -camp this past weekendpaid $200 for a pizza lunch, NO classroom sessions either day and NO sleepover -playing on 'beautiful' Green Lane fields. What the heck was the $200 for ?!?
To May 19,2014 at 1:00pmWhat state are you talking about in regards to the B97's? EPYSA beat Virginia for the Reg 1 2013 championship.
Just to level set, mini camp was only $200 for 10 hours of soccer, 2 hour lunches taken out of the total. My daughter had fun both days and said they worked on a number of things. Just because you are not sitting in a classromm doesnt mean they are not learning. Would you rather be taught something and then run through it on the pitch or sit in a class room and take notes on something? The fields were surprisingly not horrible on Saturday, they were cut that morning, but second day it looked like the girls were playing in mud, the ball literally did not roll more that 5 feet. Agreed there, they should have played on turf...somewhere. oVerall just a primer for the tourney and regional camp...I'd say B to B- if i had to grade....btw my son has gone through the program and the sleepover is more $$ and there was also no class session and the down time was them ordering Dominos pizza and just fooling around...not a big miss there.
How could a player getting cut be a shortcoming of the parent?
Folks, ODP is a huge money making machine for an organization that lies to the public. In fact it should not be allowed to state what they say, "Olympic Development Program". More than likely it should be called ODDP, "Olympic Dreamers Development Program". If your son or daughter is a highly skilled player, he or she would not be paying the outrageous amount of money these people charge. These are modern charlatans that prostitute the beautiful game of futbol.And no I am not a pissed off parent that my child did not make it, on the other hand, my child did make the next level....but we realized it was not worth all the traveling for mediocre training. One year s good enough for the record. Most college coaches will,tell you it doesn't matter to them wether or not your kid played ODP in the past.
In NJ ODP friendly on Saturday May 31, does anyone know who won the last game at 4:30 between the 98 vs. 97s?
Seriously? It was a scrimmage and not filled with much effort at that. Why would you possibly care.
he seems to be obsessed with ODP and this blog lol. sounds sick !
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Hopefully this insight can help. I actually have one son who also plays professionally (MLS). He did ODP for a number of years. ODP was a much more important program back in the day. Now that clubs have stepped up their presence, not only Academy programs but most clubs in Region 1, ODP has lost much of its attractiveness. I still have a daughter going through ODP today. she enjoys the program but I also realize this is only one way for her to be seen. Most of the clubs have also stepped up their programs for girls, and not only the ECNL clubs. ODP needs to change. Their communication is the worst I have seen, but my daughter still loves the program because she gets to meet many girls from all around the state. Parents need to keep in mind that is not just the end result that is important. It is the journey and the experience that keep them interested. There is a significant cost to ODP that makes it difficult to justify. But for those who can afford the fees it can provide a great experience along the journey for your child but you need to understand it does not carry the value it did in the past.
the cost is crazy, for what you get. I would love to see the books on this program.
Anyone care to comment on the girls 00 weekend? This is the best in the state?
The pool was even worse at the girls 99 weekend. Not worth the money to play with that caliber.
YMMV with ODP. Not for people who have tight money or live more than an hour from Trenton. Don't cry if your kid does ODP and you pay for it, and don't cry if your kid doesn't do it or gets cut. It really matters so little as compared to when Claudio and Tab were in it.But the worst part is that NJ should be the leader for state ODP programs, and they lag behind many states in what exposure kids get and the experiences offered. Our kids are scrimmaging each other and VA state pool kids are going overseas? Unreal.
00 girlsVenue was ridiculous at lawrenceville. The fields were tiny. 3 yards to the touch line from the penalty box. At most 85 yards long. I wouldn't mind that if the surface was excellent since small fields promote possession. But the grass was 6 inches long. The surface was very uneven and no possession was truly possible in that crap. Most kids are used to playing on turf or at least decent grass fields. Refs were young kids. Coaches were horrible. The players' skills and soccer IQ were hugely variable. I won't pay to have my child participate next year. I can't believe I was naive enough to pay for regional camp.
2001's Just terrible. The subbing, play, fields, coaching, teamwork. Just horrible. Total waste. Some girls played all 3 games and played the whole game. Totally wasn't fair and a bunch of bs. That why NJ lowers couldn't win a game. Ball hogging all over the field!
I agree watched all lower games, way to much ball hogging, to much me ball. Didn't get subbing either. Don't know what coaches saw, but would not pay for a another year of that.
It's a shame to, I think NJ lowers had the most talent in that bracket but to much of a showcase.
Girls, don't worry the boys have issues too. No one goes to practice so there is no continuity. Those that don't go to practice, no worries, you will play. If you are good enough to be chosen for the state team you should play.
Ok, we get it--you have some weird vendetta about NJ ODP. Quit already since your child (clearly) is so miserable you have nothing else to do all day. I actually think you are working for a competitor or something.
PA 2001 parent here. I was also disappointed in the quality of the Lawrenceville fields. It's a cliche to complain about unmowed fields, but I think we all complain because it really isn't that hard to make sure the fields get mowed a few days before the tournament. It was bad enough that the fields were so small.
NJ ODP Organization never seems to be embarrassed. I know the field you are talking about. there is no doubt that it isn't within the parameters set forth by FIFA. Other states must laugh at us for these substandard facilities. There are 20 turf fields in the Trenton area. Why do they have to go to a rec field?
ODP in NJ is NOT worth the money. Actually it is quite a rip off. No more ODP for my family, money is better spent on ID camps at a college of your choice.
Why all the knocking of ODP? If it's another program the kids like to compete in and chance to play and compete with other players should be no big deal. Sure there are great players in academy, there are very good players elsewhere too- Why parents hate on others kids really is hard to understand. I know of plenty of high level players at odp, academy, or neither and it's all good. Ps academy isn't the end all either , having been at pro academies outside the us, very few of the us kids would be signed, there's always someone better then you , so what, let the kids train and compete where it makes sense for them.
Problem mostly related to poor commitment to quality programming from organization to facilities to support. Simply cautionary to potential consumers. A kind of Angie's list review of the program. Seems most are not recommending it. From my family's experience with PA Odp. I have a 2000 girl. She played up the first year with the 99 u12 program. I thought that year it was an excellent value for what was clearly an id program. Though there was a small number of local training sessions they largely had combined sessions and did the tiered field system of id. Moving kids up or down all session based on performance. The coaches were attentive and seemed fully engaged. The facilities were largely decent. The nc program was well done. The next year they seemed more focused on the local programs even the combined sessions were just local sessions all in one place. The head coach picked the teams A, B, C etc based in one or two sessions and I am sure local coaches recommendations. Nc was ok. There was a clear "socialization" of the programming. The next year Philly had a clear a and b team and was very well done largely because of an excellent penn Fuison coach. The venue at kirkwood was decent. This year socialism has completely won out. " Balanced " translation non competitive teams with huge variation in skills and game understanding. and terrible venue. Not sure it's worth it anymore because of a trend toward inclusiveness in a program that was created to be an id program. Mike Barr should understand and carry out the mission of odp better. It is not headed in the right direction. The way they carried it out this year it actually hurt the PA kids chances to be identified. Other states had real a and b teams. Pa balanced teams could not compete well with the top teams in VA and in NJ. Barr is trying to turn odp into a developmental program for travel level players. Since travel level will be all that's left in epysa as the best move toward us club soccer leagues, maybe he is simply brilliantly proactive in predicting the future of all Usysa programs.
If there's a lack of talent then get your talented kid and their talented friends and go rock ODP. It'll be fun and it gives your kid more experience with other players and coaches. And that's always good. Why limit your player? Do you only go to your club practices and games? Or does your player attend a training academy, play pick up with their friends, attend a soccer camp, or just juggle in the backyard?Why hate on what is at worst simply another opportunity to play and to meet some other players and coaches?
Because for what they charge they should have picked a decent venue.
Boys venue was great. No issue there.
No hate, just comments. I took my talented kid there and the Girls 99 weekend was a waste of her time. Too many extremes in skill level, just was not an enjoyable experience.
Agree. What state are you from? EPA has an A and B team. Now they are taking playups from the 00 to create full rosters for next weekend. Both teams advanced in the tournament. Not sure that there is now validation of enough "quality" players to justify 2 teams or just a statement as to the overall of the quality of the teams.
I also agree about the talent level and waste of money. I have two daughters in NJ ODP years 99 and 00 and we will not be back next year!
It is a shame on the girls side. Boys have better options. My son asked will I tryout for Odp while watching his sister play. Told him you have tip and union juniors, so no you won't. Daughter loves the social side but training/facilities/criminal price makes me hope doesn't want to tryout again.
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Beware....Illinois ODP had a predetermined roster before the season began!!! On the first day of winter training, the players were told, by the coaches, that most, if not all of the players from last year will be selected for the Illinois state team and most likely you will not be! No joke...this actually happened!!! I would not have signed up for this if I knew this was going to happen!!! My son was used as a practice buddy for those players!!! When I asked the people running the program if this was true, they did not deny it and explained the ODP process. They could not answer a direct question. Sad but true. As for the reviews, the head coach was not professional with his review. He could only afford to write 5 word sentences for his review! He obviously did not know or care who he was talking about....very general comments and shows lack of concern for him as a player. This was very unprofessional and they consider themselves professionals. They are a disappointment! Save your money for private lessons with professionals that care...these people don't! (6/25/2014)
It sounds like there may be wide variability in the talent level of the kids that participate in ODP depending on the state. Not all but a fair number of talented kids form Virginia's top teams participate in ODP.
What exactly do these coaches look at? Some 99 choices were questionable at best.
What a waste of time this past weekend at ODP.
This is a forum to post information, please do so. If you had a bad experience please tell us why.
It seems like most of the call back list was decided before tryouts was even done. I know it is not a perfect system to look at players. But some players to not get a fair chance.
ODP Camp was a waste to an extent. The girls basically only played soccer less the 3 hours per day. Games in am that lasted 50 mins, two 25 min halves, 45 min of actual training in afternoon, and games in evening, again 50 mins. We pay $800 for what, transportation, food, and room? Disorganized as any player or even chaperon will tell you. Aside from two fields, all other fields were atrocious, peaks and valleys, minimal grass, dirt flying all over which is unhealthy. Unless you played on the two bermuda grass fields, no one had a true first touch due to field conditions. Not a great experience for players. We will have to rethink next years commitment to this camp.
What was the criteria for the boys regional camp selections? It seemed like a lot of very skilled players did not get chosen. What were they looking for?
Size, Size, Size. Ask the coach is size matters, they will tell you yes. Aside from size, you have returning players that they know, a stud here and there and some stiff competition. Dont worry about it if you were not chosen for a region team.
NJ YOUTH SOCCER OLYMPIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM TRYOUTS SET FOR AUGUST 2-3 AND 9-10Open tryouts for NJ Youth Soccer’s 2015 Olympic Development Program (ODP) will be held Saturday and Sunday, August 2-3 and 9-10 at the College of New Jersey. The program, in cooperation with US Youth Soccer, identifies a select pool of boy and girl elite players born 1998 to 2002 in each age group from which there is an opportunity to be selected to the US Youth Soccer Regional and/or National Team. These tryouts begin at the state level. NJ Youth Soccer ODP players are selected by senior NJ Youth Soccer coaches who are recognized for their ability to identify and train players with superior skills. Candidates are evaluated on four key soccer components: technique, tactics, fitness and athletic ability, and psychological component (attitude).Players initially selected for the program will become part of the NJYS State Team pool from which the final State Team will be selected in early 2015. From there, State Team players will be considered for Region 1 teams which may also offer opportunities for international competition. Players who are selected for the Regional ODP team pools are also candidates for the National Team selection process.Tryout times are based upon age group. To register and learn more, visit www.njyouthsoccer.com or call (609) 490-0725.
NJYSA has some nerve to keep advertising this debacle! My 00 and 99 girls will NOT be back!
I recently had the experience of seeing how kids are selected for STATE team and found it lacks some objective value.
Good Luck to the 7 '99 Jersey Boys selected for Regional Call Back Camp!
Why are your '99 and '00 girls not going back? Did they go to regional camp?
NJ ODP stinks on ice.
Agreed! NJ Odp waste of money!
Has anyone recently attended the 7/22 ODP 2015 tryout (Boys or Girls) at Graham Field, Cranberry PA? What were your experiences? If not, what has been your recent (2013-2014) experiences with PA-West ODP?
It is a bunch of loser Stiller fans. Just kiddin. Good group of kids at all ages.
I'm new to this blog and to the ODP discussion. Can anyone tell me when tryouts are for girls born in 2003? Thanks
My very advanced and talented 11 yr old daughter attended the Ohio South Youth Soccer Association ODP training for the second year in 2013-2014. She advanced to the OSYSA Region 2 (Dayton) team and was thus a part of the miserable free for all fiasco known as the "festival". No attempt at balanced teams. Indifferent coaching and non-existent refereeing. It was obvious that the coaches from Cinci and Columbus essentially ran the ODP program and "split" the state team between them. Coaching staff who viewed my daughters "ratings" from allegedly objective coaches said the comments were so wildly inaccurate that it could only be deliberate fraud. Honestly, after having seen ECNL teams play, the ODP teams made up of Columbus Crew Juniors and Cinci United Premier (CUP) players really did not impress me. I think we'll forego any more ODP nonsense and save the money for serious development camps that aren't a sham for advancing pre-selected players to a state team. No wonder ODP is losing credibility and ECNL club play is increasingly evident among the womens varsity players in top universities. I just don't have time for nonsense which wastes time and money while raising unrealistic expectations in my daughter.
First with ODP you as the parent need to have a very clear vision of your kids skill level. Just because they are a superstar on their team doesn't automatically equate to a spot on the roster where many are above average players on their team. I've listen to bragging parents boasting how their kid scored 15 goals so far and they are playing in MOSA. The kid doesn't make the cut and the parent is blasting how ODP is a rip-off. That is not a clear vision of where your kid is in the big picture. Obviously, skill is paramount, but if they can't adapt to a new environment, position or have "coachability" they may not make the cut. For instance, if there are 90 kids trying out and 75 are centers and forwards and the coach puts your kid in the back and they say that's not where I want to play, or they fail to adapt to a different position more than likely they will not advance. That goes for college selection, try to find a college that is recruiting solely for the position your kid plays. I learned the first go around and started my kid in the program early, I am now holding off until U14 for my younger kid. We've had a very positive experience this past year with the quality of the players selected, coaching staff and results. It is what it is, you just have to realistic expectations and a clear vision of where your kid is and the potential they have to play at the next level.
10:33 I agree with you 100%. What you pointed out is exactly how they evaluate at ODP. There are certain things they look for regarding coach-ability. My daughter did say that some of the girls complained about where they were placed during small sided/full field matches. Those girls did not make ODP. My child did not make it the 1st year. I asked for the evaluation from the coach, not to judge their decision but to use it as a tool for my kid to improve. I let her see the evaluation/suggestion for improvement, she worked on the things that the coach pointed out, she made the ODP team the following year.
We have two girls that made the odp regional team that are not starters on our ECNL team. enough said!
Well put then.....ECNL..pay to play and politics over quality selection trumps all. My daughter plays on an ECNL team....if you ard will to put out the cash...you play. Is it possible that those players should be starters? You may want to ask yourself......how well does that particular ECNL team fare in tournament/league play? What is the purpose of that team.....to hinder opportunity by not starting them or developing a player to meet their potential. At the end of the day....these young ladies need to be recruited by colleges, not hindered. ODP....you pay for a try out......with more girls than an ECNL tryout......you are selected.....then you pay your fee. Pretty straight forward to me.
I've been reading these posts and am surprised at the rudeness and degree of unhappiness. Anyway, this has been my son's first experience with an ODP try out. In some ways it was organized well---numbers assigned to kids, fields assigned by ages etc. But what amazed me and disappointed me about the tryouts which were yesterday and today was how there was very little coach input as to the organization of the kids as they played. They appeared to let the kids determine positions and basically the bullies and overly assertive kids placed themselves continuously in their chosen position and would not rotate and allow others to play those positions. The coaches seemed either unaware or uncaring about this. I would think that they would want to see how all players perform in different positions in evaluating them. I also would think they would not want to just have a bunch of overly assertive/bullies as strikers and front line kids---but that maybe the more technically skilled kid who is less of a bully and less assertive would fit the bill on the team just as well. But as the tryouts are presently structured they may never see what a lot of kids could do if given the opportunity. I don't have a clue whether my child will or will not make the team at this point. But I am disappointed in how the try outs are run. I do think that like any organization--sports or otherwise some politics are involved. Of course the coaches kids will make the team----but I don't really have trouble with this since they are in rec and often in travel teams the ones volunteering their time and energy to coach (unlike myself) and often it is in reality to give their kid an edge. It's part of the natural pay back for all they give. My kid will either make it on his own talent and efforts or not because I don't have the knowledge, skill, or time to coach a team. All things have politics. I'm sure ODP is no different. In many things it's who you know not your skills or abilities that give an edge. This is true in sports try outs, work place, getting into Ph.D and MD programs etc. But sometimes persistance and effort wins out ultimately and then you feel great that you made it on your merits not because your Dad or Mom is a coach or knows the admissions officer etc. My son went to the UVA camp this summer and got all very high ratings and he and I knew no one there. So I know he's a very good player and has natural ability. He's played since age 3 and at age 2 a GMU soccer player told his day care provider who had the chance to "play" with him that he had amazing foot skills for a two year old. Now he is quite a bit older and those have obviously only gotten better with years of training, practice and his passion for the game. I hope in the future that the ODP coaches try to take more of a hand in seeing that all kids get the opportunity to show their skills in the different positions that they would like to demonstrate their abilities. This seems only fair. I don't think pushy kids (in my sons case age 12)---pushy kids of 12 should be dictating where kids play during the tryouts. My son indicated several times his interest in playing up but the pushing boys refused to alternate positions. Where were the coaches? My son can be quite aggressive/assertive on the field but as a person he is not a bully. In the long run, I am proud that my son is not a bully and whether he makes this team or not really is not the end or all or be all of his future in soccer.
My daughter attended ODP tryouts for the Northern District pool today at Bolen Park in Leesburg, VA. Over 100 girls attended the 2001 age group tryouts, including approximately 20 girls who were evaluated for GK positions on the teams. First day consisted of small-sided 4v4 games to cones and the second day they played 7v7 with goalies and used both regular goals and cones. Overall, the ODP Tryouts were well organized and coaches appeared to be engaged and taking notes on girls' performance on the pitch. It appeared preliminary decisions were made on the first day as the girls were broken down into six (6) 7v7 groups right at the beginning of the second day. It was difficult to determine the girls who were ranked to be among the most skilled and talented, although the initial call-up appeared to be the group of girls that were among the players to be selected.VYSA volunteer parents informed us that selections would be posted online on the web page in approximately 5 days. Last year, the 2001 age year group had 43 girls selected on the first year of their participation in the ODP program. We will have to wait a few more days to see how many are called back or selected to continue in the program.Many of the girls at the tryouts played vigorously, displayed advanced technical skills and demonstrated a high level of athleticism, which was expected as many of these young soccer players play for large clubs with excellent travel soccer programs in one of the most competitive areas of the country.
"Two years ago, half the players called into the U20 WNT were involved in the ECNL. This past camp, that number skyrocketed to 19 of 20. Standouts like Taylor Racioppi, Cari Roccaro and Mallory Pugh are closing in on those opportunities."odp- a bridge to know where.Dont waste your money .And yes my daughter made it to Nat pool last year.Great experience too much money. and what's next.
And 15 of the 21 also participated in ODP at some level per article at usyouthsoccer.com..ODP probably got them on the radar..
OH SNAP! Great point 11:58. The program is call ODP...Olympic Development Program.....not ECNLDP. The end result is to work your best in order to get on a national team to play in the olympics......hence Olympic Development Program. Nothing is perfect and ODP is a great organization!
NJ ODP is over. The best boys do not pay to play or train...(think union & red bulls)if you do your son is not there yet, unless you are on Real, TSF or PDA.ODP = $ for state controlled youth rec soccer. Organized chaos that results in 4-0 losses to VA and PA. Ask any NJ ODP coach what the pool is like above U13, good players at best but not close to the best talent in NJ or the other states they face. Went to Williamsburg friendlies - parent from another state whose son just rolled up with his team on a bus from their team hotel asks: Are you going to NC for the tournament? Response: sorry what tournament is that? Check VA, PA, MD, DE ODP sites, at least they recognize players and their recent accomplishments (boys and girls) and promote the program. In NJ you are just a # and a $. $50 tryout fee$1000 state training fee (with biased coaches)Free VA Friendlies + hotels / gas / food / etc...(no team unity just show up)$225 for mini-campFree tournament vs. Region 1 Teams at Rider$600 Region I ID camp<<>>Multiply that x the number at each age group and what do you get what? line on your soccer resume The best was a comment was from our coach at the VA friendlies who said they split the talent equally to better develop the players....the focus is not on winning. Agreed however - what about the best play the best to get better or even measure talent against talent for Region I placement and beyond in ODP National Pool? Not in NJ.Thank you NJYSA, first year was awesome 2nd year was a money grab (25 North players/25 South players / mixed region 1 tournament play).
11:58.These girls came through the ECNL national pool, not the odp national pool. And it was FREE!They were chosen through the ecnl system . Now ODP wants to take credit for players that have been going through the ecnl system these past 5 years.Surely if odp was all that there would be others not in the ecnl that were chosen for national team but clearly thats not the case.They all .were looked at and evaluated to step up to the National team through a FREE System!
If you can get there through a Free system, why would you pay thousands of dollars each year.This is why ODP is a program of the past.
What is free about ECNL? Do you not think that ECNL is not a money grab? If this is true about those current players that were ID through their system…..they paid….and paid dearly. ECNL cost 3 times as much as a season of ODP. Yes you may get games/tournament play for a season (and supposedly….ID by college coaches at the games…..which I am waiting to see), which adds up when you incorporate travel expenses on top of league fees. My estimation of this is pretty factual because my daughter plays on an ECNL team and is an ODP player. Yes…..we do pay a lot for soccer. My daughter enjoys it and that is what matters. If all works out, it will pay in the end……a possible college scholarship, a look from a college that would probably not be on her radar or a chance on a national team. Who knows!?!I also know a girl that is not on an ECNL team that is an outstanding player currently on ODP. I am impressed with her ability, as I have heard from some of the ODP coaches, who are D1 coaches, that she has great soccer sense and ability. She made the ODP team without the politics of ECNL/etc. She came out of nowhere and out played 98% of the other girls that are ECNL members. I am sorry to say but the system seems to be working. Our ECNL team and other ECNL teams have approached this girl to play for them and she has declined. I will assume that there is no benefit for this girl to play on an ECNL team due to playing on the ODP team or because she is on a fast track without the ECNL/NPL or whatever politics.Don’t get me wrong, ECNL is a good avenue for soccer. I think some parents have their children on an ECNL team thinking that their little “Mary” is the best player……so if she goes out for any other team/program (ODP), they should take her. That is not the case……remember, some of these coaches, especially when you get to the high school age for ODP, U14, U15, U16 etc…. are COLLEGE coaches ID’ing these young ladies. Sorry that little “Mary” had 50 goals fall season but was not picked up for ODP. Is it possible she did not perform consistently during tryouts? Is it possible that when placed in a climate of equal or better talent..…she didn’t fare well? Instead of bashing the program, take a look at the situation at hand and if there are so many from the ECNL program (program costing parents thousands of $$) on the national team……maybe it’s a biased system after all, because there are other programs…..which I know have equal or better talent. PAYOLA!!!!If I am not mistaken, ECNL (PDA) will let you play, with the premise that you are developing. They really don’t cut you perse but they will take your money and place you on a development program of some sort…..not sure how this works but I know that it exists. ODP, you pay for a tryout (fee possibly = coordinators time, field rental, coaches time, etc). Nothing is free in any competitive sport. So as….I was saying….ODP, you pay for a tryout, you get cut or you make it. No gray area…..like stay with the team….regardless of talent….pay an astronomical amount of money and not develop. Remember…..you are competing with the bonus of developing. That is why it is a tryout……someone has to get cut. Little “Mary” will learn this either sooner or later. Ahhhh!!!!…..the spirit of competition.
For the record, I am "Anonymous" who last posted in July re. the disappointing experience with Ohio South Youth Soccer ODP. Two responders quickly jumped to the conclusion that there was an issue with my daughter's "coachabilty". Dunno where that came from. Really?Well, since I am not posting to bash ODP generally and was merely sharing one experience with one specific org (ohio south ysa), I'd like to ask if anyone has had experience with girls playing on teams with MLS team affiliation. I'm now looking at a club affiliated with the Columbus Crew Juniors. There isn't a us soccer recognised Crew development academy for girls at this point. There is an "elite" team, though. The objective is to entry to US Soccer Youth National Team development training. College offers aren't the primary concern. Suggestions? Experiences? I hesitate to "go ECNL" because of travel demands conflicting with school and cost.Thanks,Anon in Southwest Ohio
12:36.The purpose of ODP is to identify next level talent.Parents have to pay for the ODP process.Many of these kids play for non ecnl teams that charge significantly-"so called academies'The end result at the national odp level seems to be that the girls in this special pool are still not good enough to make the jump to the USSF pool.It appears the opposite at the ECNL level.19 of 20 is a significant stat with no room for misinterpretation.On top of this , although the league of ecnl is certainly not free, the part that compares to the ODP process, is indeed free. It appears to be a no brainer to me with regards to which process is the better process for identification purposes.I suppose yo could try and do both, but why would you spend the extra money if your daughter is already being recognized by the ecnl process.
11:14Good point but......if ECNL is so efficient in their process. Why do the girls that play on an ECNL team try out for ODP? My daughter is on an ECNL team (PDA) and some of the parents feel their ID process is lacking in some areas. If I am not mistaken, the NJ 99 girls have all but 1 girl that plays ECNL (PDA) on the Region 1 team/pool. They selected 5 girls altogether. I also believe that there are many avenues to be ID. Maybe the national program has to look at consolidating the process and possibly make it so that one program (ECNL, NPL, ODP, etc) is responsible for the next level.
1:27.two different issues.ecnl vetting process is at a higher standard, the fact that 4/5 99 pda players made odp regional pool but perhaps did not get ID through ECNL may prove that point.The other issue is when the ecnl coach just flat out gets it wrong.For this player, odp may be another avenue for recognition.You must remember, it is not only just the coach of the player that can ID another player, A player may be ID'd by another coach in the ecnl league and by the numerous ID scouts that watch the games to identify talent.Perhaps both sytems should be intergrated but there is much too much money on the ODP side for that to happen.
99 Boys turnout, not good.
Curious what you (Aug 6 8:55 am) mean by "99 Boys turnout, not good"Also don't understand how my 99 boy just tried out for the District Pool at the same time other 99 boys were being named to the Region Pool... both for the 2014-2015 season?Thanks in advance for helping me to understand this stuff.---1st-Time ODP Parent of 99 boy
Turnout of talent and numbers was not good. Your son is trying out for the State pool and if selected will then need to try out for the State team, much harder to accomplish. Then you try out for the Region 1 pool, even harder to attain.
3:01 how many 99 boys were there? Were they any good? I know many 99's that never tried out or by now dont because they know they will never make the national team. It is a lot of money for very little.
@ Aug 6 3:01 PMThe boys who just made the regional team made it at the end of last year's ODP cycle, for this year. ODP goes district-> state -> regional. District sessions are in the fall, then some move on to state ODP after a district tournament (which is the tryout for state). State training goes through the winter, and then there is a state tournament in June. From this, some kids are invited to regional camp. After the camp a regional team is selected. Thus the region I pool which was just announced is the end of the 2013-14 cycle. Does that help?
Turnout at the 98's very weak. Where did everyone go? Looked like many have just stopped coming.
NJ 98's? Boys or Girls?
Are you allowed to tryout up a year for ODP?
no, but why would you want to? Short of going to the National team, part of having ODP on your kid's soccer resume is to show that they have been separated and have excelled against their peers at a high level. Why wouldnt you want to your player to be a superstar on age than a average player playing up? Pretty sure the way things are structured these days the days of heather O'reilly joining the Sr. WNT at 16 are over.
Re: ODP trai ning through winter (from August 7th post):New kids just trying out are to begin in April, correct?Thanks
Yes. New kids (that make the NJ team) will train in April. Be prepared to pay a lot and get very little.
They are up front about what you "get"Maybe your expectation level should have been tempered going in.I think many players dont return because it is just so much soccer to play - in addition to their already packed club trainingOthers of course since their daughter didnt attain the level thye believed was deserved.....But a nice copout is the "it's not worth the dollars".
12:56I agree with you. Instead of most coming back and working hard between seasons.....some of the parents use that as a cop out because their daughter/son just didn't cut it. So they go back to their club teams to be a star there. The outlook of challenging players is discouraging to most.
Any idea on when the regional pool list will be out?
The regional pool for the girls is posted on the region 1 website. The boys pool is not out yet per no update on the region 1 websites.
I hope the regional pool has some players in it - or were they passed over by politics and stereotypes of what a WNT player should be?We have talked about the rest of the world catching up to us in Womens soccer. Yesterday North Korea, yes North Korea knocked out our u20's. If any of you watched any of the games lots of just kicking the ball and way to much dribbling. AND that my friends fits into what our selectors see as top players. Athletic, Physical girls that can run and hold the ball way to much. When will that change? Not until you have soccer minds running these programs and you leave out everything else and let them play. Can they dribble can they use both feet, can they pass, do they know what to do when the win a ball? How in the world do we lose to North Korea at any age?
The 00 girls roster lists several small technical player but leaves out one of the best small technical players from NJ. More technical players listed than one would expect. Probably will not be successful against the beasts other regions will choose. At this age not sure they will have the time together to make the most of their game. Technical games require a long time of familiarity to work. But maybe the wins in boca are not what the selectors were choosing for.
10 training sessions, 1000$ 100 per sessionNEVER have 10 sessions actually take placeYou call that value or even reasonable?
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