Saturday, December 5, 2015

ODP (Olympic Development Program) - Region I and Beyond

2015-2016 ODP: Comments, feedback, questions, friendlies, selection process and more.

42 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hello, my child is on the ODP state team for '03 girls. Her teams just came out and I was wondering if the three teams are ranked by playing ability or are mixed up so all teams are equal. Thank you for your time.

Anonymous said...

What state are you in?

Anonymous said...

MD is tiered with A, B, and C teams for U13. Md has yet to practice so it may not be too friendly for them.

Anonymous said...

VA typically has balanced teams at U13

Anonymous said...

hELP!!!! I AM LOOKING FOR THE nj SCHEDULE FOR VIRGINIA FRIENDLIES. DOES ANYONE KNOW THE LINK?

Anonymous said...

not published yet, but it will be here when it is
http://events.gotsport.com/events/Default.aspx?EventID=51374

Anonymous said...

Virginia Friendlies schedule is now posted on Gotsoccer.

Anonymous said...

The 99" Boys did well in Virginia, won two games and tied one. Beat PA West 1-0, Beat NC 2-0 and tied Virginia 2-2. Nice job boys!

Anonymous said...

Can the person in charge of this forum please delete the non soccer comments.

Anonymous said...

Why did girls from PA play for NJ ODP at the VA friendlies ?

Anonymous said...

BREAKING: What does this new development mean for the future of ODP and ECNL?

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/02/23/14/48/160223-gda-us-soccer-to-launch-girls-development-academy-in-fall-of-2017

US Soccer just announced a development academy (DA) for girls U14 thru U19 to start in the Fall 2017. Participating teams would be scouted by US Soccer coaches for a pathway to youth WNTs, and NWSL Pro teams.

The program guidelines calls for training at least 4 days a week, and players cannot participate in alternate programs like ODP. So US Soccer and USYSA are going head to head with this new program it seems.

IMHO, I think this is a good thing as scouts can see elite players in their team environment, and take away the perception ODP has to only select most players based on whether they play on a club team also coached by an ODP coach. Maybe the NWSL teams can also field academy teams throughout the year which would help generate additional revenue for them and yet still have elite players exposed to national teams.

Any thoughts on the board on this new development?

Anonymous said...

DA will have little effect on ODP because so few players will be accepted into DA or reside close enough to DA to make attending training session four days a week a reasonable venture. I contend ODP is a more equitable platform than other ID programs because it is open to anyone, and does not require an invitation and does not exclude certain clubs. I have seen only a few instances where a player made ODP through a suspected club connection. With respect to why PA players played for NJ, they most likely play for NJ club teams. PA had players from other states. A player can cross state lines for ODP depending on state of residence and state of club affiliation.

manbehindthecurtain said...

I'm curious about some of the comments here regarding the ODP selection process, both at the state (MD) and regional levels.

My daughter participated in MD ODP for several years, and although she has now aged out, several of the coaches from her tenure remain. Although she never had the "benefit" of any coaches from her club participating in ODP, she made both the state and regional teams every year she tried out (except for her first year, when she tried out for an older team). Moreover, to my recollection, all of here club teammates who tried out made their respective age group state teams, and several made regional teams as well. On the whole, there girls were not the tallest, fastest, or strongest, but they were generally the most technically skilled and smartest players (in fact, the team drove opponents crazy for years because they didn't "look" like they should beat you, but they usually did!).

I say this not to toot any particular horn but to argue that in our experience with ODP over several years, soccer ability usually triumphed over raw athleticism in team selection. Regional team selection was a bit dicier, but mostly because there are many more viable options competing for spots up at URI, and it can be hard for some players to catch the staff's eye. But even when her teammates missed regional pool, it was usually hard to argue too strenuously with the choices the coaches made.

At the end of the day, the perception of "truth" in such matters as team selection is often in the eye of the beholder, colored often by preconceived notions or even misunderstandings of what "talent" actually is. During my coaching days (non-soccer), I rarely needed more than 30 minutes to whittle a tryout pool to a manageable number of, say, one-and-a-half times the size of the eventual roster. There were occasional second or third day surprises, but probably no more than three or four over fifteen years. As parents, we need to give the ODP coaches some credit for being good at what they do, acknowledging that they might know more than we do.

ODP has some flaws, and to be honest the level of MD ODP training was usually well below what my daughter experienced at her club team practices, but she made some good friends and had great opportunities to play in front of and train with college coaches at the regional and national training camps. Her state coaches encouraged her to try new things and advocated for her at regional camps. She even met her college coach through ODP, and most importantly, she had a great time in the program.

Anonymous said...

No doubt, ODP (MD) has been a been a very useful avenue for the better players to advance and be recognized in the past.

However, with the advent of ECNL, EDP, Region 1 Champions league, etc the better players and coaches are gravitating to those leagues and no longer even attempting to be involved with MD ODP. Hence MD ODP is now a second or third tier, if you will. Now with the US Soccer girls DA coming next year, this would cause further downplaying of the value in ODP.

Something has to give here, as there are a number of programs now jockeying for the best talent, where a small fraction of these programs are purely commercial ventures where the U12 and U13 groups subsidize the bulk of the profits.

Anonymous said...

My daughter is on the MD U13 ODP team and I noticed that a majority of the players are from the Baltimore area near the training. The few players from Montgomery County teams that I know play Pre-ECNL, Wags, and CCL. They have had only one practice, so I cannot really comment on the quality of the players/coaches yet. As for now I’m looking at it as extra training that she needs being her club team has just two trainings per week.

Anonymous said...

That is exactly how you should look at it. Dont worry of how she is being viewed vs the other players - just that the sessions are productive.

Anonymous said...

Ok does anyone have a schedule for the ODP tournament this weekend/ Crazy that it isn't out. Another nail in ODP coffin I am afraid.

Anonymous said...

Nope. Nothing available yet.

Anonymous said...

Come on guys, you are throwing your money away. Too expensive and then they ask you for more money for friendlies. Joke of a program and in the older age groups no one of any ability trys out anymore.

Anonymous said...

Actually most of the regional players stay with. The boca interregional is still worthwhile. Not so much in region one but there are other regions where top conference coaches coach the regional teams. Also a lot of coaches scouting the boca sidelines. The state teams not so much.

Anonymous said...

I decided to look at the lack of ability on the PAE 2000 U16G ODP team. Among the 26 players, there are six PF, one PDA, four CFC, and one FC Bucks representing ECNL clubs. There are other well known clubs and teams represented So, maybe 3:32 is correct, and there is no ability among ODP players.

Anonymous said...

ODP will get you nowhere, it is old school and you know it but have no other avenue for your son to be seen. Sitting on the bench does not help.

Anonymous said...

911 it is definitely second tier right now for boys. True, but there are always a few boys on the odp squads who could play DA if they so chose. High school, travel, loyalty might keep them where they are. there is still opportunity for regional players.

Regarding the girls. The DA will likely change things, but there are still excellent quality girls in the regional programs. Some have been to national camps, Others at the level and hoping to get a look. Still college coaches at the state tournament though nothing like PDA

Anonymous said...

So are those 2000G ECNL players at the top or bottom of their respective rosters? Are they kids looking for more exposure because they are on the bench during ECNL events? Or are they, as someone said earlier, looking to play on the regional teams for national exposure? Or are they a mix?

Anonymous said...


11:29 - Considering that every player on an ECNL team allegedly earned a roster spot through a competitive tryout or other knowledge of their skills, and ECNL teams are billed as the best of the best, then even the players who surf the pine are presumably of a better quality than those left behind. Therefore, it does not matter from a quality perspective whether they are top or bottom of the roster. Now, if you imply that only the top half of an ECNL roster is any good, and the bottom half is permitted on the team for revenue, political or other non-performance purposes, while others of better quality are left behind, then the roster status of an ECNL member of ODP would have some bearing on whether they bring quality to ODP.

9:11 - Educate us. If ODP is "Old School", what is "New School"? What does a player do who does not have access to a DA based on factors such a distance from training site or availability of parents to provide transportation during the week; and what if a player has other athletic or academic pursuits that might get in the way?

Anonymous said...

So I was thinking about the posts above and spent a few minutes googling. I have older kids who went through ODP when all the kids tried out and it was considered a huge accomplishment just to make the state team.

It appears that almost all of the Penn Fusion and PDA ECNL players have been to the Region 1 tournament in Florida. That suggest that these players are looking for additional exposure. So I looked on the Penn Fusion web pages. The top point earner for Penn Fusion is playing ODP. So now intrigued, I looked at the ECNL PDP id rosters for the northeast. When I have more time, I will look at the other state associations rosters, if published, and cross reference to PDP. Both GK kids and the previously mention Penn Fusion kid were invited to PDP. The fact that they still are doing ODP suggests to me that the ECNL players are looking for more exposure.

So why then do they need that in the ECNL? What is it lacking?

Anonymous said...

Link to ODP Tournament schedule

http://events.gotsport.com/events/Default.aspx?eventid=53402

Anonymous said...

PAE, MD, VA, and NYW ODP publish rosters. NJ, DE, NYE, and PAW do not.

Anonymous said...

How long is the grass gonna be at Mercer park this weekend?

Anonymous said...

Exactly. But they do have a couple other venues. It's really bad at the state level. You would think they would try and make it really great. Great venue, great coaches, great refs, water on the sidelines, tents, scheduling more than a couple days in advance, etc. to combat the negativity. Instead they dig themselves into a hole offering none of the above. Compared to ECNL events or even club run national league events, ODP state level is piss poor. The USYSA even creates conflict between its own events. Someone needs to be fired.

Anonymous said...

No one cares about ODP anymore, not even the people who run it. They will take your checks however.

Anonymous said...

Then why are you on this forum thread? Just to let us all know that you are smarter than us? Guess what if you were you wouldn't be responding...

Anonymous said...

Never said I was smarter than anyone, but if you are paying ODP the money I know you are then yes I am smarter than you. I know we all want our kids to have the best and be given every chance to succeed. It used to be a good path but it just isnt anymore. You can deny it and rationalize it all you want but deep down inside you know it is true.

Anonymous said...

4:26 is on the money with this one. ODP = old development process

Anonymous said...

In the case of Maryland, are some clubs using ODP as a recruiting tool? I saw a local franchised club advertise "try out for our Super Y Summer team, and get recognized for ODP...". The TD of this particular club is a head coach at MD ODP, and said club always advertise the names of the 20 or so ODP selections every year on their website. BTW - Super Y does not even go the ODP route anymore and use their own Regional Scouting Series (RSS) as the avenue to recognize the elite players in the summer league.

I agree the Regional ODP is still a good avenue for elite players to get recognized, but there are definitely issues at the State level in the case of Maryland. Some elite players have dropped out of MD State ODP to pursue ECNL teams, so MSYSA has some work to do before this thing collapses by the time the girls DA comes around.

Yes, there are only a limited amount of players getting access to DA and ECNL teams, but would the cost of ODP be justified if you are supposed to be playing and training with elite players?

Anonymous said...

Ok I have said mamy times that those so vehemently critical of ODP have kids who have been excluded possibily even from the regional team. Maybe most of them are because I don't know why someone would come on here and say that its a waste of money etc. unless they had a an agenda; why wsste the time and energy to do so? I would guess within a couple days, I wouldn't bother to write this, but the irritiation is acute right now and I will consider this post cathartic.

The venues for the tournament were horrendous. Yup the grass was very long at mercer as someone else predicted. Yet some teams got more than one game on turf others were subject dangerous conditions on mixed high grass and bare dirt pitted fields. How in the world is a player supposed to try and play actual soccer in such conditions. One of the fields was seriously an elementary school play ground! It was dangerous with important events looming. The refs average age was 35 balanced in a bimodal distribution between 16 year olds and 70 year olds.

Frankly we didn't care that one of the coaches wasn't familiar with the rules on rosters and re entry. We had written him off long before after attending a couple of training sessions over the last 4-5 months. One of my kids' teams has something like 22 dressed and the coach didnt know only 18 could play. Even playing time is a new one for us too. With rosters varying from some of the best ECNL/national league players to rec level kids it was pretty much a debacle. The level of frustration was evident with several of the players. Some of the top kids didn't even show up.

I have had 3 kids go through ODP over the last 8 years. We have been to Boca Raton for the interregional event. There is always great exposure at the regional level. The state level has sunk to an alltime low with socialistic coaches or a directive to try and keep everyone happy. Well you didn't keep the regional level kids happy on this one guys; some didnt even show up for the tournement and instead will simply report to RI others have simply written off the games as a necessary evil before the regional level. I think it will be cheaper to enter a guest registry at a tournament requiring a flight in the future to get the same exposure. Live and learn. Expect the level to sink further after this year.

Guys ODP is not even a shadow of what it was it is a real joke at the state level and the regional team is no longer cost effective. Enter the got soccer guest registry and take your chances with a team in a high flight is my recommendation. Yes the older teams had college coaches, but I can't imagine how they could have possibly evaluated kids with the surface the way it was and the level so poor.

Anonymous said...

There were a lot of coaches there scouting Friday night at mercer. At least 30. I saw several strong D1 programs there. Of course there was Rutgers but also saw William and Mary and Clemson. Princeton of course was there but also saw Dartmouth and Cornell. There were many others but with less obvious insignia.

Anonymous said...

So you agree that it is run completely wrong and is a waste of money. Making the regional team was never an issue for my son, it was the cost analysis on what you get that was for me. Did he have fun? Yes, but it doesnt need to be expensive with poor conditions.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I reluctantly agree that the regional team has some value, but does it outweigh the costs? I, as a staunch supporter of the only ID system that does not require politically motivated recommendations from clubs etc., am sorry that USYSA has screwed it up so badly. It was the only venue that a kid from a lesser known club in the hinterlands could show his or her abilities to college and national team coaches. I was and am, a big advocate of this model. However, it is run so poorly and without the mission of the program in mind. Yes a kid can still be seen by top level college coaches in the interregional in the late fall. But I think they could be so in a more cost effective manner through tournament guest registries and a video link. You guys really messed this decent program up. There could be a role for it in serving kids at lesser known clubs, but not the way you run it.

Since when was equal playing time advocated in an id event? Since when was an id event carried out on dangerous surfaces that cannot promote and display a players technical abilities. USYSA and region 1 should be embarrassed.

Anonymous said...

I am a newcomer to this forum, but like many of you, I have come to the conclusion that ODP is not worth it. I live in the state of Virginia and after witnessing the program, with my son participating, the only thing ODP is good for is as a resume builder if your child is looking to play soccer in college.

It has been my son's intent to always get better. My son has always been the fastest and one of the most technically skilled players on his travel and high school teams. My son tried out for ODP (for the first time) in 2014-15. He didn't make it. I contacted the ODP Coach and never received a response. After a long talk with my son about getting better, I hired a trainer, worked with him for roughly six months, and made the ODP team in 2015-16. It was also during that tryout that I realized that it was who the coaches knew who determined who would be selected to the team.

However after recognizing another kid who made the team, I realized that ODP, unfortunately, is all about getting your $$$$. If a child has a little talent and the parents can afford it, you can be on the team. I thought ODP would bring the best players from Virginia -- no, it brings out those who can afford it. When the rosters for two teams were created (Team #1 and Team #2), I asked what was the coach what was the selection process for these teams. Again, no response. I asked the VYSA...no response.

I attended the Region I Tournament this past weekend. My son, who played on Team #2, played a Connecticut Team that only had 10 men at the outset. I don't know if I should be upset with the players, who some really didn't belong to begin with, or the coaches, who had five opportunities to 'coach them up' (two in December, two in January, and one on June 5th).

Paying $340 to be a part of the State ODP Program is a bad return on your investment, especially after you pay $60 for District Tryouts, $320 for 10 District Training Sessions, $360 to attend the North Carolina Friendlies, $310 for the Virginia Friendlies (and you live 30 minutes from the site?), $500+ for the Region I Tournament, and $750 for the Region I Tournament in July.

While my son learned nothing from ODP, I can truly say that if my son does play collegiately, it will be due to him playing with his club, not ODP. ODP doesn't make you better, it makes parents understand why soccer in the U.S. is so messed up. It should be about talent, not $$$$.

Anonymous said...

So your real issue is that the ODP coaches fail to see the talent you see in your kid, and you're paying a lot of money to be told that he's not as good as you think.

Anonymous said...

First you say your kid didn't make it the first time he tried out and therefore the selections are political and then you say the next year when he was selected that they will take anyone who can pay. Did you suddenly become able to pay the fees this year when you couldn't last year? Hmmm
My kids have participated for years. They have been on the regional team which is reasonably priced and great exposure. However the state teams are horrible. My kids see it as a necessary evil to get to regional programs. I heard yesterday that region 1 management was very corrupt and was replaced last year. Left over committments are the West Virginia site, Rhode Island camp and rider. I hope the new administration will do a better job with this responsibility. Seems to me that the soccer plex in Maryland might be a good spot relative to the population centers in the northeast. I don't know of a similar venue in NJ. Which would probably be even better location wise. The turf farm keeps the grass too long for ideal soccer.