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Tuesday, May 16, 2017

ODP (Olympic Development Program) - Region I and Beyond

2016-2017 ODP: Comments, feedback, questions, friendlies, selection process and more.

83 comments:

Anonymous said...

That club does have a problem promoting its own.

The DOC is a national scout. He promotes his kids that aren't really more than strong regional players. He also recruits from the training center using natl camp recs as an incentive. Rumor has it that if a girl lives within two hours drive of his club, she won't get national unless she joins. But, he'll shun fantastic players should they ever extricate themselves from an abusive coach.

Nothing ever becomes of his kids past high school. That's really all the proof you need.

Anonymous said...

Hahahaha. Yes, I think that is a rumor. There have been kids that are not on that Club are within an hour's drive and HAVE been invited to national camps/teams.

Not sure what you mean about fantastic players being shunned. No one shuns fantastic players. The business of soccer is success. Fantastic players bring success and other fantastic players. Not knowing and just offering another explanation, maybe the fantastic player referenced really wasn't all that fantastic in comparison to truly fantastic ones or maybe that fantastic player failed to shine when being evaluated due to nerves.

Anonymous said...

@5:42 - My kids play for that Club and love it.

Anonymous said...

Not really. He’s been demoted, so maybe some new are coming through the new head.

Wanting to or believing you are doing what makes you win is not the same as actually accomplishing it. He very stupidly shunned a real superstar. He did so thinking his team was the only real option for her and he would be able to ruin her, banish her to an inferior team, or make her knuckle under. She went to PDA. And yes, like follow like, she took a couple with her. Trying to influence parents or kids to not report coaches is considered as bad as the abusers, nowadays.

Another unintelligent belief they have is that they can predict which kids will become standouts. They use criteria that are the exact opposite of what research shows. Really, its who is the most advanced at this point in time.

So many that they spotlight have minor physical problems like unequal leg lengths. Watching some of their teams you wonder if it is soccer or a physical therapy group.

When they crash and burn, they quickly forget their predictions and dump the girl. Really, a phys ed major or an A license doesn’t make you a Ph.D. in physiology.

-Their teams rarely place near the top of even local ECNL brackets.
-Their natl players never go on to be Herman trophy nominees, WNT, or pro
-Kids they jerk around too much end up at much better clubs.

So the facts don’t match your fantasy, er, eh, I mean theory.

What will happen next year when PA Classics opens its academy and all the Lancaster girls go there? It’s the beginning of the end.

Anonymous said...

Wow. This is youth soccer.

And, not sure you are aware of this but the local ECNL brackets are the top in the nation (hence the top 4 teams getting DA's). Not every kid enjoys every team they happen upon. I am quite sure that the club will survive w/PA classics getting an academy as well. Obviously, the kid you referenced had a bad experience. Not every team is a comfortable fit.

And, there are kids in the college system currently through them and in their system that very well may be on their way that may be Herman trophy nominees, WNT and pro.

I don't follow you re the leg length reference, but it sounds like you were making fun of a kid possibly with a disability. Kind of cruel.

Anonymous said...

Whoops. Sorry, I meant any club will survive another club getting a DA. Plenty of soccer out there. I am not sure which club you are referencing specifically. And, it doesn't matter. Many kids don't have good experiences and need a switch; hence the try-out merry go around.

Anonymous said...

Dude, how many clubs have WNT players? Not YNT but you are saying FWNT? That club hasn't been in existence that long. PDA is probably the most notable there; kudos to them and the great club they have built. Pros? Similarly, the ECNL hasn't even been in existence long enough to really impact that population.

What they have done recently? Three national champions ship kids who got serious minutes in the college cup last year. I think the current high goal scorer at UVA -just getting into that program much less real minutes like 2 of their former player frosh are right now is a huge accomplishment. The VA Tech kid is also getting good time. Look at the commitments totally respectable. The college ranks is the metric for youth clubs, not WNT or Hermann trophy winners (really?).

Shouldn't "strong regional players" get a shot at national camps what's the issue there? The leg length thing is really low and no idea to what that was referenced. Sounds like someone didn't like that their "real superstar" didn't get a national team invite. News flash, the national coaches do not invite players based solely on one scout's recommendation. Your kid wasn't good enough during the small period of time during which she was evaluated for inclusion. Also the head US scout in our area is a PA Classics coach. Where are all of the Pa Classics invites if politics is the golden ticket?

I heard there was a nutty 2003 family...probably driving the PDA folks crazy now. It's clear that 206 is the parent or one of the follower wanna bees of the "real superstar". Keep the dream that she will be a full WNT player or a Hermann trophy winner, but don't disparage coaches coaches and clubs in the process because they didn't value your player as much as you did.

Anonymous said...

Perfectly put. You obviously had more insight.
I just know that my kid loves that particular club, the coaches, the kids. And, she didn't have a good prior experience elsewhere. But, I would never put that other club down because they are good, but just not a good fit for her. I chalk it up to part of the soccer maturing/learning process. Hopefully these people will learn that as well.

Anonymous said...

Unbelievable and disgusting.

Recently, in the news, friends and family of an abuser in trouble with the law tried to recast his crimes as mutual intoxication and promiscuity. They “didn’t quite understand” his victim, but yet made completely unsupported unflattering characterizations.

Here, a discussion about protecting and covering up for coaches in trouble with the law is being recast as one about a child’s poor soccer development experience. Someone “didn’t quite understand”, but yet made completely unsupported unflattering characterizations. A few others posted in the interim.

Sound familiar?

Doesn't fly outside your echo chamber, anymore.


Anonymous said...

Huh? Nothing of the sort was ever mentioned. Dr. Temple's number is referenced above; maybe an emergency consult?

Anonymous said...

What are you talking about? Are you saying this discussion of letting "super stars" go has some basis in a cover up for illegal activities? Because that is per se disparagement. Better be true if so because if not he and the club should file suit against you.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. Some extremely outlandish stuff here from 12:38.
And, the Dr. Temple reference was for him/her. Get yourself some counseling. A soccer blog isn't going to help.

Anonymous said...

So let me just leave this right here before any final call backs or pool announcements are made.

Maryland ODP folks made some adjustments this go around for the 2017 State ODP tryout selection process, which is an encouraging sign. While there is no prefect system to combat the widely perceived "rigging" of the system with some of the players selected in the past, I am pleased to see some of these changes put into place.

With the 2 call back system in place, that gives the coaches additional time to take a good look at the players before announcing a final pool. However, there is still a huge perception issue with at least one of the head coaches who always seem to have major pull with this organization over the years. This said head coach is a life long ODP coach, making the rounds in VA and Region 1 in the past. He somehow boasts about getting HIS pool players on Region 1 teams, but when you do some research, coincidentally, most of these players are kids of other coaches who either, was or is affiliated with a club team he headed up at some point.

The optics with this head coach is widely discussed in the soccer community, and curious to see how this year shakes out with his pool players. At the very least, head coaches with these perceptions should not even be part of the tryout selection process, and just have to work with the final group the assessor coaches have deemed to be the best of the lot. This would seem a bit more transparent, but not completely free of "tinkering".

Anonymous said...

Interesting. Thank you for the update. I'm an ODP fan and it's good to see that programs are trying to get in front of this stuff. Will be interesting to see what happens when DA's start.

Anonymous said...

Bill Cosby called his accusers liars and crazy. He has tried to sue one. It got short circuited by his indictment.

"The case has been voluntarily dismissed at this time due to the pendency of the criminal proceedings in Montgomery County, PA, which impede Mr. Cosby's ability to fully participate in litigating the civil case”

"abusers will do whatever they can to intimidate and weaken their victims to force them to stop fighting.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/bill-cosby-drops-lawsuit-beverly-johnson/story?id=37200981

Someone who already has a rap sheet probably wouldn’t try it.

Anonymous said...

Is this idiot back again? Ugh. Go away troll. How were the MD ODP try-outs?

Anonymous said...

What in the world are you talking about? I get it the coach didn't like your kid as much as you do. Looks like the 03 team is doing pretty well without her and her/your "friends"

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Anonymous said...

Oh, this troll again. Get some counseling. And there have always been overzealous parents, too. Hence the new legal trend to sue parents. Here is a sampling of those pending in various jurisdictions. https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/i-am-a-parent-defending-a-defamation-lawsuit-in-ma-1863439.html

Nonetheless, this is an ODP soccer blog. I am hopeful that people will post how their ODP try-outs are going.

Anonymous said...

http://time.com/4457110/internet-trolls/

A very recent article in TIME magazine. So, don't feed the troll. Let's continue our talk around it.

Anonymous said...

Okay read that article. It's full of ranting and clearly has a political bias, but agree we should ignore those posts. Done deal.

On with ODP and try outs; team announcements and other wonderful ODP items. What are the turn outs like?

Anonymous said...

You can see the remaining NUMBER of candidates for NJ ODP on their website.

Age group numbers seem to have been cut about in half in the first phase. Next phase workouts are Nov/Dec

Anonymous said...

EPYSA callback pool rosters expected in about two weeks with final team rosters expected on or about November 18th.

Anonymous said...

How did EPYSA tryouts look? There is usually fall off in numbers and quality as the kids get older.

Anonymous said...

VA District pools were named in August and they are training now. Good numbers of players across the State. The State tryouts will be end of November/beginning of December, with the State pool named in mid-December and starting off that training in January.

Anonymous said...

EPYSA has the numbers up through U15, then the numbers drop off as expected.

Anonymous said...

EPYSA ODP callbacks announced today and available at http://www.epysa.org/odp_tryout_callback_rosters_released/

Anonymous said...

In Va is the quality high or has it dropped off?

Anonymous said...

After u15 i think they go down to one team at each age sonot surprising it falls off. Also a lot of kids who didnt make it to regional camps drop out because the state program isn't very good. Also the committed kids who don't hope to get a look at national camp also drop out since they don't need college exposure.

Anonymous said...

EPYSA call backs went well. Good weather lots of kids. quality with regional kids back looking solid. Better than last year actually. Lots of ECNL kids. Interesting that.

Anonymous said...

EPYSA tryouts completed on Saturday. Bethesda took a bite out of participation numbers. Results expected within two weeks.

Anonymous said...

EPYSA ODP tryout results posted by name on the EPYSA website.

Anonymous said...

Huge range of players from top ECNL to B teams.

Anonymous said...

Congrats to the ODP players that are participating in the current Interregionals in Boca Raton, FL and the boys that are playing next week. Many coaches in attendance, including US Soccer and some very good games.

Anonymous said...

ODP still gets the top college programs to come out and root on the kids. It's a tradition that will continue on and may even become stronger in light of the DA's and only a few slots to fill. The kids really enjoy it. These are kids that are all soccer junkies. They get to meet and play with and against new kids that share the same passion about the sport.

This is from one of the Boca webpages: “The Olympic Development Program has always done a great job preparing players to play at the next level,” University of Michigan head coach Greg Ryan said. “The focus has been on development. You bring the best players together. They get to play with new players. It’s very much like what happens at college. They leave their club teams and friends they’ve played with forever and have to join a group of new friends and find out how to play together very quickly.”

Anonymous said...

@ 9:12

VA ODP numbers are still pretty high.

Anonymous said...

New Jersey ODP is so unorganized.

Anonymous said...

Sure was of compared to Virginia ODP! I applaud VA! Looked like teams were bused in together, ate together and engaged in team building activities. Not sure about the other states or 6:30's Jersey team experience, but my Jersey girl enjoyed the weekend.
It was organized enough for us.

Fed Up With ODP said...

Just attended the ODP friendlies and it was completely worthless. Our state association does not cut players and does not have an A, B, C team structure. They have the best players playing with kids that do not play club soccer. Short team financial gain for the association, but most of the talented kids are quitting. ODP is not what it should be, it's a money making scheme.

Anonymous said...

1:34 - Did you stop to consider that perhaps your State's ODP program has the "best" players play with kids that do not play club soccer is intentional to see if the kids that perhaps have not yet risen to the top, or have not had the opportunity to do so, have the potential to be developed to do so? VA Friendlies is an assessment tool, it is not supposed to be an ultra-competitive tournament. So-called A, B, and C teams may not even be established based on order of strength.

7:13 - You may be thinking of EPA teams, not VA teams. EPA kids traveled and roomed together (no parents), which is part of the off-field behavior and maturity development and assessment process.

Anonymous said...

VA teams all room together and bus everywhere for the weekend -- parents drop them off at the field Friday and pick them up Sunday, but they stay and travel as a team in between

Anonymous said...

@1:34 Who was more disappointed? You or your child?

Fed Up With ODP said...

@5:55 - to be 100% honest, both of us were equally disappointed.

Anonymous said...

New Jerseys tryout process is longer then the actual season! Why? To collect money?

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't say that NJ ODP was unorganized for Virginia. The whole process from tryouts to Region 1 Camp is unorganized.

Anonymous said...

@1:34 I would agree. NJ ODP paid the last Director of Coaching, Mike Petke over 100k for the season for what? He didn't add anything to the program. If anything it seems like it declined.

Anonymous said...

Tough Crowd in Jersey. What made the experience "unorganized"? For us, information was communicated in a timely manner, updates sent to address additional details, coaches were on fields when stated they would be.

I can understand being frustrated with being teamed up with less skilled players. Confused about the unorganized comments..

Anonymous said...

Dates and times are organized but the teams are not organized . How are teams not selected by now?

Anonymous said...

The program overview specifically states why they changed the team selection process and tryout phases. It also explains why the VA Friendly would be the last evaluation before teams are selected.

Two more weeks and teams will be announced.

Anonymous said...

@8:49 Yes, it clearly states that it is about keeping players involved to bring in more money. Why not pick the team earlier and train players that are going to compete in the Region 1 Tournament?

Anonymous said...

Not from NJ, but how much earlier would you suggest 8:26am? The Region 1 Tournament is 3+ months away. Why wouldn't they want to evaluate their players over a weekend with 3 matches to really see what they can do and how they might contribute to the team at a certain position. You seem to be wanting to throw kids away too early. Coaches may see something in players that an untrained parent's eye does not, or coaches may want to see how those players can step up and fill a need. I don't know when the NJ ODP selection process started, or whether you have regular training between now and the Region 1 Tournament, but it seems like a good idea to use the Friendlies to get a final, best look at all the players.

Anonymous said...

@8:26 Ok.. although I think your thought is cynical, I did chuckle when reading it.

Skilled coach-able intelligent players can quickly adjust to new teammates and style of play.
Development is messy - Success is not a straight line. I'm sure if your kid had a an off tryout day early in process you would be more appreciative of the extra phases. Then consider... Some players look amazing in small sided training games, but put them on a big field and they fizzle with little impact to team. Other players prove themselves to be more dynamic in a competitive match.

Anonymous said...

The tryout process for NJ started in the summer. It consisted of 4 tryout dates, 6 training sessions and 3 games in Virginia. Thats more sessions then all the practices they will be getting if they make the team. You should be able to select the team in half that time. Unless your objected is to keep more players around to collect more money.

@10:54 You stated "Some players look amazing in small sided training games, but put them on a big field and they fizzle with little impact to team. Other players prove themselves to be more dynamic in a competitive match" Then just have them play 11v11 earlier on in the tryout process. Simple fix!!! Nothing cynical in my thoughts. BTW - I did get a chuckle reading your naive comment.

Anonymous said...

9:06 is clearly an @-hole.

Anonymous said...

VA also starts in the summer -- 2 tryouts in August to select 5 geographic District pools. Those District pools train for 8 sessions in the fall. Then those players have 2 tryout sessions in Nov/Dec for the State pool. The State pool trains for 8 sessions over the winter (outdoor). The Friendlies is the last event until 2 more training sessions in May before the Region 1 ODP Tournament. The tournament teams don't get selected until right before those last 2 sessions.

It's interesting to compare how different each state runs their program.

Anonymous said...

@3:39. The NJ 03's and 04's are similar VA. The first open tryout was 4 session - 1 per district ($40). The second phase ($50) is like VA's District pool. Select players invited to 3 more evaluations in their designated district. The final phase ($100) select players invited back for 3 training sessions and VA Friendly ($150). Not sure about the orther age/gender...04 girls didn't play as 'district teams'. 3 positionally balanced teams.

VA had more training sessions. How much did VA cost? How were VA friendly teams choosen? per district? Or position?

Anonymous said...

@ 6:10 VA District training is $335 for eight training sessions and two additional State ID days that VYSA calls inter-district scrimmages. The players are ranked at the district level and evaluated at the inter-districts for entry into the State Pool.

State Pool is another $345 for eight training sessions leading up to the VA Friendlies. There are two training sessions leading up to the ODP Region I Tournament. VYSA has their own training facility which are fantastic playing fields.

VA Friendlies are $330. The teams are housed together, eat together and are transported to and from matches throughout the weekend with the exception of Friday. State association polo shirt also has to be purchased which is $38. Teams at the 04 and 03 level are equally distributed. They tier the teams for Region I ODP Tournament for 02s and above but not sure if they are tiered at the VA Friendlies yet.

There is also an international trip for 03s and 01s this year to Germany which is $3100. The international teams played together for the VA Friendlies with the exception of the players who were rostered for the 03 Region I team that played at the Friendlies.

Region I Tournament fee is roughly $330 to $345 but they are also bused to the event, housed together and eat together.

Anonymous said...

Thank you 8:19 for explaining. Much more different from NJ than I originally thought.

Anonymous said...

For VA, teams for VA Friendlies are generally not tiered even for the older ages. Coaches try to balance the teams. The exceptions are the international teams that 8:19 mentioned, and 00G had their roster for the National Championships play together for the Friendlies. It makes sense they would use those matches to prep for this weekend.

I assume the boys side was similar.

Anonymous said...

Good discussion. There are many players who use ODP to gain "select" level experience and exposure while still trying to maintain a "soccer-life" balance.

Anonymous said...

I agree with a lot said. I have had two boys in the NJ program. Its tough to compare NJ with VA just because of the size of the state and their proximity to academy programs. I would have to agree from my experience that the teams should be picked a lot earlier or just have the tryout at a later date. There must be a reason for keeping the extra players involved for a longer period time wether it would be to create more revenue or to make people happy to come back. If my sons had not made it in the past, I would not have been upset but would probably like to have had them join another additional program earlier on, instead of being dragged through a long tryout process.

Not all the players attend all the events and still make the program. A year ago a player on my sons team attended one tryout in the summer and the last two in April and still made the team. It would be interesting to see if VA would allow. (Please don't get mad with my thoughts, I saw earlier someone else get mad at an earlier post from someone for no reason)

Anonymous said...

The reason to have an extended tryout is to keep players involved. Wether that is to make money now or to have them think that they are close to making the team so they return next year to try out to pay more money.

Anonymous said...

I disagree the motive is to make more money.

Anonymous said...

3/1 - 10:54 - i disagree. the skill levels are so far off it can be very hard for a skilled player to play with someone who doesn't know how to make a run, get to a laid off ball, etc. I know they are friendlies so some of it is to see how the talent will work together as not everyone has to play in the Region 1 tourney (unlike the friendlies were everyone plays).

And, the refing was worse than high school. If soccer wants to improve anything, start with the refereeing. Payments should be based on performance. I don't mean outcomes, but correct calls. They should be mostly correct not mostly incorrect. Can't teach and develop the kids if the refs don't know either.

Anonymous said...

Hey 12:58 - do you have anything positive to share?

Anonymous said...

4:40 - hilarious. Where were the comments when people were calling the program a money grab? Do you call those positive? Oh wait, are you a ref?

Anonymous said...

4:40 - it's me 12:58.
Yep, I think it's a wonderful experience and the kids and the coaches are great.
And, thank you 7:44, my thoughts exactly.

Anonymous said...

http://www.socceramerica.com/article/72547/crowd-count-atlanta-opener-fifth-largest-in-world.html

How great is this?

Anonymous said...

Its not an elite program if you have to pay to tryout for it.

Anonymous said...

@10:28 - I have had a player in the NJ program for a few years. My son enjoys it so I continue doing it but I agree that players should not be charged to tryout. Lets just say they have about 1,000 players tryout for both girls and boys, and they charge $50 a player just to tryout, thats $50,000. Surely thats cover way more then all the tryout expenses.

Anonymous said...

Agreed. It should be the cost of a try-out shirt w/number, like $10/$15.

Anonymous said...

I also agree. If you are supposedly looking for the most talented players, you might be pricing them right out of the tryout. Where is all that money going to?

Anonymous said...

The money probably goes to paying ridiculous salaries like Mike Petke's salary last year.

Anonymous said...

First year with player trying out for NJ ODP. Have the state team and pool emails gone out already? Previous stages the invite emails were received about week before numbers listed on website.

Anonymous said...

Who knows. That part of the program is so unorganized.

Anonymous said...

So my son made the NJ ODP team again. But I don't understand the purpose of the program other than just an additional place for him to play. Considering that there is no longer a link between the Region 1 ODP team and US youth national teams, it seems like it is no longer an identification program. Does anyone have any more information they can share with me on that. If that is the case I don't see any reason for driving him an hour to practice each way for 10 to 12 practices when he can do supplemental playing closer to home. Additionally, my son really enjoyed his coach last year, who seems not be involved anymore with NJ ODP, and doesn't really like his coach for this year.

Anonymous said...

Hasn't Us Soccer said they will be looking at many different venues for players?

I think this would include the games played at ODP level.

"Supplemental training closer to home" sure isnt getting him seen

Regional team looks great on a collegiate player resume.

Anonymous said...

To the previous comment:

There is no connection between US Soccer and ODP anymore. And US Soccer does not look at ODP games for players and this includes at the regional level.

College coaches aren't selecting players on their resume!

Anonymous said...

That isn't true
There is extensive national scouting done at the ODP thanksgiving interregional. The ussf sends a u14 or u15 national "team" to play in the u16 bracket. Last year the u14 won all games except for a 4-0 trouncing by our region 1 team. One of those kids was invited to national camp at least in part as a result of her success in that game.

Anonymous said...

It is just another place to play, that is all it is. Slight resume builder perhaps but no college coach will care about ODP over what he sees with his own eyes.

Charlie said...

ODP needs to get back to focusing on development. I feel they are trying too hard to make money. The money will come if you continue to focus on the best training possible. I feel things have improved since we first started. It's going to take a few years for things to get better.
Thanks! Charlie - www.Soccerhotspot.com

Anonymous said...

5/17 - 8:47 - regional stuff is outstanding. Getting a full team of high level players in some states is a problem now; especially at the older ages. Many doing ECNL or Nat'l League and don't have time for ODP/state. What will GDA do to ODP? Any of those kids and there are a lot, can't participate.