Saturday, December 5, 2015

ODP (Olympic Development Program) - Region I and Beyond

2016-2017 ODP: Comments, feedback, questions, friendlies, selection process and more.

77 comments:

manbehindthecurtain said...

I'm curious about some of the comments here regarding the ODP selection process, both at the state (MD) and regional levels.

My daughter participated in MD ODP for several years, and although she has now aged out, several of the coaches from her tenure remain. Although she never had the "benefit" of any coaches from her club participating in ODP, she made both the state and regional teams every year she tried out (except for her first year, when she tried out for an older team). Moreover, to my recollection, all of here club teammates who tried out made their respective age group state teams, and several made regional teams as well. On the whole, there girls were not the tallest, fastest, or strongest, but they were generally the most technically skilled and smartest players (in fact, the team drove opponents crazy for years because they didn't "look" like they should beat you, but they usually did!).

I say this not to toot any particular horn but to argue that in our experience with ODP over several years, soccer ability usually triumphed over raw athleticism in team selection. Regional team selection was a bit dicier, but mostly because there are many more viable options competing for spots up at URI, and it can be hard for some players to catch the staff's eye. But even when her teammates missed regional pool, it was usually hard to argue too strenuously with the choices the coaches made.

At the end of the day, the perception of "truth" in such matters as team selection is often in the eye of the beholder, colored often by preconceived notions or even misunderstandings of what "talent" actually is. During my coaching days (non-soccer), I rarely needed more than 30 minutes to whittle a tryout pool to a manageable number of, say, one-and-a-half times the size of the eventual roster. There were occasional second or third day surprises, but probably no more than three or four over fifteen years. As parents, we need to give the ODP coaches some credit for being good at what they do, acknowledging that they might know more than we do.

ODP has some flaws, and to be honest the level of MD ODP training was usually well below what my daughter experienced at her club team practices, but she made some good friends and had great opportunities to play in front of and train with college coaches at the regional and national training camps. Her state coaches encouraged her to try new things and advocated for her at regional camps. She even met her college coach through ODP, and most importantly, she had a great time in the program.

Anonymous said...

No doubt, ODP (MD) has been a been a very useful avenue for the better players to advance and be recognized in the past.

However, with the advent of ECNL, EDP, Region 1 Champions league, etc the better players and coaches are gravitating to those leagues and no longer even attempting to be involved with MD ODP. Hence MD ODP is now a second or third tier, if you will. Now with the US Soccer girls DA coming next year, this would cause further downplaying of the value in ODP.

Something has to give here, as there are a number of programs now jockeying for the best talent, where a small fraction of these programs are purely commercial ventures where the U12 and U13 groups subsidize the bulk of the profits.

Anonymous said...

My daughter is on the MD U13 ODP team and I noticed that a majority of the players are from the Baltimore area near the training. The few players from Montgomery County teams that I know play Pre-ECNL, Wags, and CCL. They have had only one practice, so I cannot really comment on the quality of the players/coaches yet. As for now I’m looking at it as extra training that she needs being her club team has just two trainings per week.

Anonymous said...

That is exactly how you should look at it. Dont worry of how she is being viewed vs the other players - just that the sessions are productive.

Anonymous said...

Ok does anyone have a schedule for the ODP tournament this weekend/ Crazy that it isn't out. Another nail in ODP coffin I am afraid.

Anonymous said...

Nope. Nothing available yet.

Anonymous said...

Come on guys, you are throwing your money away. Too expensive and then they ask you for more money for friendlies. Joke of a program and in the older age groups no one of any ability trys out anymore.

Anonymous said...

Actually most of the regional players stay with. The boca interregional is still worthwhile. Not so much in region one but there are other regions where top conference coaches coach the regional teams. Also a lot of coaches scouting the boca sidelines. The state teams not so much.

Anonymous said...

I decided to look at the lack of ability on the PAE 2000 U16G ODP team. Among the 26 players, there are six PF, one PDA, four CFC, and one FC Bucks representing ECNL clubs. There are other well known clubs and teams represented So, maybe 3:32 is correct, and there is no ability among ODP players.

Anonymous said...

ODP will get you nowhere, it is old school and you know it but have no other avenue for your son to be seen. Sitting on the bench does not help.

Anonymous said...

911 it is definitely second tier right now for boys. True, but there are always a few boys on the odp squads who could play DA if they so chose. High school, travel, loyalty might keep them where they are. there is still opportunity for regional players.

Regarding the girls. The DA will likely change things, but there are still excellent quality girls in the regional programs. Some have been to national camps, Others at the level and hoping to get a look. Still college coaches at the state tournament though nothing like PDA

Anonymous said...

So are those 2000G ECNL players at the top or bottom of their respective rosters? Are they kids looking for more exposure because they are on the bench during ECNL events? Or are they, as someone said earlier, looking to play on the regional teams for national exposure? Or are they a mix?

Anonymous said...


11:29 - Considering that every player on an ECNL team allegedly earned a roster spot through a competitive tryout or other knowledge of their skills, and ECNL teams are billed as the best of the best, then even the players who surf the pine are presumably of a better quality than those left behind. Therefore, it does not matter from a quality perspective whether they are top or bottom of the roster. Now, if you imply that only the top half of an ECNL roster is any good, and the bottom half is permitted on the team for revenue, political or other non-performance purposes, while others of better quality are left behind, then the roster status of an ECNL member of ODP would have some bearing on whether they bring quality to ODP.

9:11 - Educate us. If ODP is "Old School", what is "New School"? What does a player do who does not have access to a DA based on factors such a distance from training site or availability of parents to provide transportation during the week; and what if a player has other athletic or academic pursuits that might get in the way?

Anonymous said...

So I was thinking about the posts above and spent a few minutes googling. I have older kids who went through ODP when all the kids tried out and it was considered a huge accomplishment just to make the state team.

It appears that almost all of the Penn Fusion and PDA ECNL players have been to the Region 1 tournament in Florida. That suggest that these players are looking for additional exposure. So I looked on the Penn Fusion web pages. The top point earner for Penn Fusion is playing ODP. So now intrigued, I looked at the ECNL PDP id rosters for the northeast. When I have more time, I will look at the other state associations rosters, if published, and cross reference to PDP. Both GK kids and the previously mention Penn Fusion kid were invited to PDP. The fact that they still are doing ODP suggests to me that the ECNL players are looking for more exposure.

So why then do they need that in the ECNL? What is it lacking?

Anonymous said...

Link to ODP Tournament schedule

http://events.gotsport.com/events/Default.aspx?eventid=53402

Anonymous said...

PAE, MD, VA, and NYW ODP publish rosters. NJ, DE, NYE, and PAW do not.

Anonymous said...

How long is the grass gonna be at Mercer park this weekend?

Anonymous said...

Exactly. But they do have a couple other venues. It's really bad at the state level. You would think they would try and make it really great. Great venue, great coaches, great refs, water on the sidelines, tents, scheduling more than a couple days in advance, etc. to combat the negativity. Instead they dig themselves into a hole offering none of the above. Compared to ECNL events or even club run national league events, ODP state level is piss poor. The USYSA even creates conflict between its own events. Someone needs to be fired.

Anonymous said...

No one cares about ODP anymore, not even the people who run it. They will take your checks however.

Anonymous said...

Then why are you on this forum thread? Just to let us all know that you are smarter than us? Guess what if you were you wouldn't be responding...

Anonymous said...

Never said I was smarter than anyone, but if you are paying ODP the money I know you are then yes I am smarter than you. I know we all want our kids to have the best and be given every chance to succeed. It used to be a good path but it just isnt anymore. You can deny it and rationalize it all you want but deep down inside you know it is true.

Anonymous said...

4:26 is on the money with this one. ODP = old development process

Anonymous said...

In the case of Maryland, are some clubs using ODP as a recruiting tool? I saw a local franchised club advertise "try out for our Super Y Summer team, and get recognized for ODP...". The TD of this particular club is a head coach at MD ODP, and said club always advertise the names of the 20 or so ODP selections every year on their website. BTW - Super Y does not even go the ODP route anymore and use their own Regional Scouting Series (RSS) as the avenue to recognize the elite players in the summer league.

I agree the Regional ODP is still a good avenue for elite players to get recognized, but there are definitely issues at the State level in the case of Maryland. Some elite players have dropped out of MD State ODP to pursue ECNL teams, so MSYSA has some work to do before this thing collapses by the time the girls DA comes around.

Yes, there are only a limited amount of players getting access to DA and ECNL teams, but would the cost of ODP be justified if you are supposed to be playing and training with elite players?

Anonymous said...

Ok I have said mamy times that those so vehemently critical of ODP have kids who have been excluded possibily even from the regional team. Maybe most of them are because I don't know why someone would come on here and say that its a waste of money etc. unless they had a an agenda; why wsste the time and energy to do so? I would guess within a couple days, I wouldn't bother to write this, but the irritiation is acute right now and I will consider this post cathartic.

The venues for the tournament were horrendous. Yup the grass was very long at mercer as someone else predicted. Yet some teams got more than one game on turf others were subject dangerous conditions on mixed high grass and bare dirt pitted fields. How in the world is a player supposed to try and play actual soccer in such conditions. One of the fields was seriously an elementary school play ground! It was dangerous with important events looming. The refs average age was 35 balanced in a bimodal distribution between 16 year olds and 70 year olds.

Frankly we didn't care that one of the coaches wasn't familiar with the rules on rosters and re entry. We had written him off long before after attending a couple of training sessions over the last 4-5 months. One of my kids' teams has something like 22 dressed and the coach didnt know only 18 could play. Even playing time is a new one for us too. With rosters varying from some of the best ECNL/national league players to rec level kids it was pretty much a debacle. The level of frustration was evident with several of the players. Some of the top kids didn't even show up.

I have had 3 kids go through ODP over the last 8 years. We have been to Boca Raton for the interregional event. There is always great exposure at the regional level. The state level has sunk to an alltime low with socialistic coaches or a directive to try and keep everyone happy. Well you didn't keep the regional level kids happy on this one guys; some didnt even show up for the tournement and instead will simply report to RI others have simply written off the games as a necessary evil before the regional level. I think it will be cheaper to enter a guest registry at a tournament requiring a flight in the future to get the same exposure. Live and learn. Expect the level to sink further after this year.

Guys ODP is not even a shadow of what it was it is a real joke at the state level and the regional team is no longer cost effective. Enter the got soccer guest registry and take your chances with a team in a high flight is my recommendation. Yes the older teams had college coaches, but I can't imagine how they could have possibly evaluated kids with the surface the way it was and the level so poor.

Anonymous said...

There were a lot of coaches there scouting Friday night at mercer. At least 30. I saw several strong D1 programs there. Of course there was Rutgers but also saw William and Mary and Clemson. Princeton of course was there but also saw Dartmouth and Cornell. There were many others but with less obvious insignia.

Anonymous said...

So you agree that it is run completely wrong and is a waste of money. Making the regional team was never an issue for my son, it was the cost analysis on what you get that was for me. Did he have fun? Yes, but it doesnt need to be expensive with poor conditions.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I reluctantly agree that the regional team has some value, but does it outweigh the costs? I, as a staunch supporter of the only ID system that does not require politically motivated recommendations from clubs etc., am sorry that USYSA has screwed it up so badly. It was the only venue that a kid from a lesser known club in the hinterlands could show his or her abilities to college and national team coaches. I was and am, a big advocate of this model. However, it is run so poorly and without the mission of the program in mind. Yes a kid can still be seen by top level college coaches in the interregional in the late fall. But I think they could be so in a more cost effective manner through tournament guest registries and a video link. You guys really messed this decent program up. There could be a role for it in serving kids at lesser known clubs, but not the way you run it.

Since when was equal playing time advocated in an id event? Since when was an id event carried out on dangerous surfaces that cannot promote and display a players technical abilities. USYSA and region 1 should be embarrassed.

Anonymous said...

I am a newcomer to this forum, but like many of you, I have come to the conclusion that ODP is not worth it. I live in the state of Virginia and after witnessing the program, with my son participating, the only thing ODP is good for is as a resume builder if your child is looking to play soccer in college.

It has been my son's intent to always get better. My son has always been the fastest and one of the most technically skilled players on his travel and high school teams. My son tried out for ODP (for the first time) in 2014-15. He didn't make it. I contacted the ODP Coach and never received a response. After a long talk with my son about getting better, I hired a trainer, worked with him for roughly six months, and made the ODP team in 2015-16. It was also during that tryout that I realized that it was who the coaches knew who determined who would be selected to the team.

However after recognizing another kid who made the team, I realized that ODP, unfortunately, is all about getting your $$$$. If a child has a little talent and the parents can afford it, you can be on the team. I thought ODP would bring the best players from Virginia -- no, it brings out those who can afford it. When the rosters for two teams were created (Team #1 and Team #2), I asked what was the coach what was the selection process for these teams. Again, no response. I asked the VYSA...no response.

I attended the Region I Tournament this past weekend. My son, who played on Team #2, played a Connecticut Team that only had 10 men at the outset. I don't know if I should be upset with the players, who some really didn't belong to begin with, or the coaches, who had five opportunities to 'coach them up' (two in December, two in January, and one on June 5th).

Paying $340 to be a part of the State ODP Program is a bad return on your investment, especially after you pay $60 for District Tryouts, $320 for 10 District Training Sessions, $360 to attend the North Carolina Friendlies, $310 for the Virginia Friendlies (and you live 30 minutes from the site?), $500+ for the Region I Tournament, and $750 for the Region I Tournament in July.

While my son learned nothing from ODP, I can truly say that if my son does play collegiately, it will be due to him playing with his club, not ODP. ODP doesn't make you better, it makes parents understand why soccer in the U.S. is so messed up. It should be about talent, not $$$$.

Anonymous said...

So your real issue is that the ODP coaches fail to see the talent you see in your kid, and you're paying a lot of money to be told that he's not as good as you think.

Anonymous said...

First you say your kid didn't make it the first time he tried out and therefore the selections are political and then you say the next year when he was selected that they will take anyone who can pay. Did you suddenly become able to pay the fees this year when you couldn't last year? Hmmm
My kids have participated for years. They have been on the regional team which is reasonably priced and great exposure. However the state teams are horrible. My kids see it as a necessary evil to get to regional programs. I heard yesterday that region 1 management was very corrupt and was replaced last year. Left over committments are the West Virginia site, Rhode Island camp and rider. I hope the new administration will do a better job with this responsibility. Seems to me that the soccer plex in Maryland might be a good spot relative to the population centers in the northeast. I don't know of a similar venue in NJ. Which would probably be even better location wise. The turf farm keeps the grass too long for ideal soccer.

Anonymous said...

Don't waste your money on ODP. Find a trainer and use it towards extra hours of really pushing your child. The kids on these teams are mediocre to say the least. Everyone feels super confident that they have finally been given an opportunity to be recognized but in fact they are all playing lower level soccer. Get a trainer or send your kid to a high end camp. ODP is a poor set up.

Anonymous said...

I saw a fair number of PF ECNL players getting on the bus to RI this morning. I suppose they are the mediocre PF players.

Anonymous said...

Bethesda ECNL and Pipeline players got on MD bus today. Most likely bench players.

Anonymous said...

I am going to be in ODP's corner. The kids train maybe 10 times play in a tournament if they are good they advance to Semi-Finals in DE for Region 1 and if they win that they advance to nationals in AZ. How is this a bad thing again? If you want then they go to RI to try and get on the Regional team that travels to Costa Rica and other countries to play this game. Once again how is this bad?

PS. Soccer is very subjective and very political that's just how it is if you are not a stand out. The prodigy kid's are easy they stick out or the best kid's in a group after that it's what the coach wants and thinks is the best in his/her eyes.

So for me ODP is an option for any child. if your kid plays ECNL and isn't selected for id2 or doesn't play a lot why should they stop trying. Give ODP a shot like most do and see where the chips fall and if you didn't make it try again since soccer is very subjective and next year you might come across a coach that likes your kid's skill set.

many different avenues

DA
ECNL and id2
ECNL and ODP
NPL and id2
NPL and ODP
USYSA and ODP

and you can always add extra training like 1:04 said.

I say don't give up on the dream even if others think it's low level

Anonymous said...

It seems the key with ODP is to get IDed early. They seem to keep kids around. And it does seem political. I have no issues with my kid not getting selected. I don't think she is NT quality but I've seen really good kids get overlooked for the mediocre.

Anonymous said...

Gotta love these parents. "I dont think she is NT quality". Really? She isnt one of the best 22 players in the country??? To even be thinking that way is part of the problem, parents over value their kids

Anonymous said...

If you believe the 22 players named to NT status are the best 22 players in the country, then you need a reality check. There is no system so reliable that it can actually select the best 22 out of tens if not hundreds of thousands. It takes the right combination of merit, personal resources, connections, and luck to make the top 22.

Anonymous said...

I have read through these comments and see value in different perspectives. There are an array of factors as to why ODP is or isn't the best avenue for a particular player. With that being said, my daughter has participated for two years and has learned a great deal from the process. It has taught her how to have grit, navigate unfamiliar situations and given her exposure to other girls in the region that are top players. I border for that to have happened, she had to train with her state ODP that was mediocre. The training she receives at her club team is better quality overall, but the life lessons she has learned to make it to the final regional pool is priceless. The girls chosen were quality players who definitely were not just the strongest, most athletic. They looked for technical ability, being smart onntbe ball and good decision making. It is easy to get that far.

I know being on an ECNL team and attending other camps are beneficial as well, but I respect the process. There are many college coaches at the tournaments. I would not write ODP Off before you consider this. It is definitely not cheap- that I agree with. Take many factors into account before you discredit ODP. There are lots of talented girls on the regional teams and that are chosen for national camps. Best of luck to all of your players!

Anonymous said...

Sorry about typos on the above post. Posting on a small screen is not the best I see. Autocorrect can be maddening! I meant to say in the last sentence of the 1st paragraph that it is not easy to get that far.

Good luck with your soccer endeavors!

Anonymous said...

@9:19. My kid IS nowhere near NT quality. Is that better? I just said "don't think" because it is a common phrase one uses when one disbelieves something.

Anonymous said...

To some of the comments regarding seeing Bethesda ECNL players boarding the bus bound for Rhode Island: these players were not on Bethesda ECNL at the time of MD ODP tryouts last December, so they are just playing out their ODP "commitment". Very highly unlikely they would be back as it is not feasible to do both an ECNL and ODP training regimen.

Next year, I foresee more SAM, MSI, and CCL players being on MD ODP rosters, especially at the U13 and U14 level. This is because pre-ECNL/ECNL players may now strive to get on a girls DA team for Fall 2017, while others backfill those ECNL spots made available. Look for upcoming marketing efforts from MSYSA just after the release of tryout announcements for December 2016.

Other than ECNL, the next best way to get exposure to elite teams and players in the Region 1 area, is to be involved with an EDP team or Region 1 Champions League team. The training is top notch, and the games are very competitive.

Anonymous said...

ODP takes your money and gives little in return.

Anonymous said...

How does the pool look? Is it posted somewhere? There were quite a few ECNL kids from region one going to RI in my daughters group. more than enough to fill the roster if you count NEFC as ECNL since they will be this year.

Anonymous said...

One quick note: just because a player is on an ECNL team and tries out for ODP, does that mean that player lower quality or a bench player. We concur that ECNL has provided more high quality competitions and development. It's great playing with a full team of similar strengths and will to play at the highest levels. But there is merit in being a strong competitor in other than a player's main position. My daughter is doing ODP in a second and third position (which she doesn't get to do as often in ECNL. ODP has been great in meeting friends, going overseas to play, etc. And although we have been on an ECNL team for a few years, I can tell you that there are some top quality players from MSC, FC Frederick, Calvert Elite, Pipeline, etc on the ODP teams. Just as the previous post about the girls who weren't originally on Bethesda ECNL but made it during the May tryouts, these are high quality girls. Some have been featured players/ best XI on soccer wire. All of the top leagues are expensive and there is a lot of travel costs for ECNL. So it was a bit skewed to appear that ECNL or the Girls DA will be less than ODP or get more comparatively to cost. And since HIgh school sits out, it's great to keep touches and additional exposure in the summer thru Super Y and/ or the ODP camp. Most elite camps are about $600 for the week anyway. They are all venues and I encourage all to not get caught up in the politics and do what is best for your child based on skills, tech ability, competitiveness, and love of the sport. Best Wishes in everything and glad it didn't rain as much in Rhode Island.

Anonymous said...

There are ODP players who have been to national camps. Some of the top players from some of the ECNL teams that encourage ODP or at least don't discourage it are participating. Also the quality NEFC teams in Mass, soon to be ECNL, provide strong competitors. I am always surprised what strong players show up from the hinterlands and a few usually make the regional teams. My daughter's regional ODP team would handily beat her ECNL team.

Anonymous said...

Here is the link to where ODP ID lists are posted:

https://regioni.teamapp.com/schedule

2003 and 2000 girls lists are posted. Some familiar names, some relative unknowns. Other age groups finish camp this weekend, so expect the pool lists to be posted early next week. Unfortunately, the lists do not identify club or position.

The selectees come from the full spectrum of youth soccer, ECNL to town level. Some ECNL players did not make it. In many cases, ID'd girls live in areas that are not reasonably accessible to ECNL or other elite clubs, which goes to show that there is talent everywhere.

Anonymous said...

just a fyi, my daughter is an ECNL player, one of the top players on her team and has been involved with ODP for years....she just wants to play as much soccer as possible, ODP is what you make of it

Anonymous said...

My daughter has gotten significant exposure through the regional team. Interestingly, several ECNL players did not make the Boca roster or even the pool. Coach subjectivity and personal preferences might be an explanation. Kids making it from weird places like upstate NY, State College and Charlottesville tells me that there are still great players needing ODP to get exposure because the distance is too far to travel for ECNL. Glad ODP can provide that for them.

Anonymous said...

Weird places like State College? Isn't State College home to a current national champion in women's soccer?

Anonymous said...

Uh duh, how many of those players in NC were children playing ODP or youth soccer in State college? Weird places for Region 1 ODP team players to come from. How many have come from State college before. Troll

Anonymous said...

12:14 - What you talk'n bout Willis?

Anonymous said...

ODP is great; same Region 1. But, if your area doesn't send a coach to fight for their assn, they can be on the outside looking in. Like that some are asked to play different age groups for Boca and other trips. Agree with those above that note that it is whatever you want to get out of it; like anything else.

Anonymous said...

Just wondering, my daughter is on the 2000 Region I team but is playing with the 1999's. Are those items posted anywhere? She played with the 1998's last year. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

My daughter has had a wonderful experience with ODP/Region I. There are many dedicated people who help run these programs.

Earlier this year, through ODP/Region 1, she played against the U17 Costa Rican National Team (2xs). The same team that played our U17 YNT a month later in CONCACAF (minus the red card). And, she played against 2 pro CR women's teams - teams that feed CR senior national team you know with Rockey Rodriguez.

The tourney had a total of 4 games, including the nat'l team which they played 2xs. Her Reg 1 team finished with 3 wins & 1 loss (loss was 1-2). A very good showing for a team that only trained 1 day together before play started. The CR teams were extremely fast and good technically. Soccer around the world is improving.

But, where are you getting that type of playing experience outside of the YNT?

It was fantastic and definitely worth it as far as her experience, training and development. She has met and worked with some great coaches (state and regional level), received some great, additional training, met some awesome people who only want to see soccer succeed, and, most importantly, made some great friends. The experiences have been priceless.

And, it seems that many top soccer programs around the country have staff STILL very much involved in ODP/Regionals. ODP is here to stay.

Anonymous said...

3:20 - love it. Channeling Gary Coleman. Perfect.

Anonymous said...

The point of the original post was to point out that kids who live in relatively remote areas to youth soccer uber teams/clubs/programs (yes I agree including State college- which clubs service kids in that area again?) can still gain siginificant exposure and accolades through regional ODP. I think it serves an excellent purpose for these potentially "lost" kids. It may also offer a different look and persepective for kids who may be late bloomers or otherwise undervalued through their primary club team. Making the regional team lends credibility to the players still. I concede that many of the "best" players don't play anymore, but enough in that general large group still do to keep it relevant.

Not sure why a national pool player would participate, but my daughter said at least one was in RI.

Anonymous said...

State College actually falls into the PA West zone, but has better access to PA East. Sometimes a standout player will filter down to one of the Harrisburg area clubs (e.g. LDC), or even PAC, if they can handle the commute. However, local options are improving. Penn United Soccer Academy and North Union United are reasonable destinations for a player who wants to see higher level competition as both clubs have travel programs that seek out tournaments. Although not F1, North Union United has a U14 girls team in the Presidents Cup final today, so that is somewhat of a national stage for them.

Anonymous said...

Presidents cup is NOT a stage for anything. Second rate tournament with second rate teams. If they were good they wouldnt have registered for that level.

Anonymous said...

904 agree. President's cup will not attract the number and quality of coaches as will the Boca Interregional. For those of you who don't know the interregional teams are coached by some very impressive college coaches, including SEC, ACC, Big 10 programs. Attending the Boca games are representatives from all of the top programs. The Interregional is a great showcase and with only 1 or 2 games happening synchronously, the fields are lined with top coaches. My kid has played top flight at multiple national level tournaments and the coaches depth and breadth/ game is biggest at the Interregional.

Once again the point is that those players in some of the more remote areas can't get the kind of exposure that ODP regional team provides without sometimes a 2.5 hour commute (state college to Manheim) For those players ODP still has a real role. I think it also, as I said, plays a role for late bloomers who might have been pigeon holed in the uber club as a role player and are ready to prove otherwise to new eyes. Maybe also to garner accolades for kids just below the national team water mark and provide an alternative environment wherein scouts can make another assessment on them.

I don't think LDC or the girls PAC program offers anywhere near the national venue that the regional ODP does. PAC DA of course does offer all and more advantages than ODP, but players traveling 2.5 hours one way to practices 4 days a week is probably unrealistic for most families. North Union doesn't even enter the conversation as far as I see it.

Anonymous said...

Would you mind sharing more information about how the Boca camp works? Like is it true there's just one practice before their 1st game, is there re-entry, is it as stressful as Regional Camp, does USYS provide a travel subsidy or anything else who think would be useful for a player going there for the first time.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

They get there by around noon the first day and train once in the evening. Then they have 2 training sessions the following day. Then they play 3 games against the other 3 regions in 4 days.

You have to schedule flights to arrive and depart at, before and after, a specific time. Not a problem in the past. if you do that they handle the transportation to and from the airport at Ft Lauderdale. You are responsible for the flight and there is a total coast for the event. I have found it to be very reasonable. I send my kids by themselves.

They have a roster of 18 and there are 7 subs allowed. There is no re entry once they are out- they are out. I have kids who in combination have participated in 5 events. All coaches handled it slightly differently, but this is the best summary I can offer;

All kids tend to play, but the Play time is far from equal. Some kids play the whole game and others play 10-15 minutes/game. Our experience is that in any given game about 3-4 players play the whole game. About 8 players split time in half. And about 6 players split time 75%-25%. So basically you have 4 kids playing the whole game, 3 playing 75% 8 playing 50% and 3 playing 25%. usually the full gamers pretty much stay full gamers. They may flip once or twice with a 75% kid. Usually the 50% kids spend at least one game as a 25% kid. There have been a few who were 25% kids the whole week, but some coaches don't let that happen.

There is no roster posting so I don't think its nearly as stressful as the RI camp, but if you are a 25% kid it probably isn't that fun. Might be hard to tell in advance where your kid fits. The miss Thanksgiving with the family if that's an issue at your house.

Anonymous said...

Thank you

Anonymous said...

There are nat'l pool players that play in other regions, still. My daughter played up last year at Boca (and is doing so this year too). She had a nat'l pool player on her squad.

Several nat'l pool players last year participated mostly from Region III (a bunch of ACC and SEC commits). I believe the Cali Region still had a few too (ND GK was there).

We had an unofficial visit at a college recently where coach is still involved in Region III. He said there is still great interest in the Regional kids.

Anonymous said...

Hmmmm, a coach that is involved in Region 3 told you there is interest in regional kids. Shocking.

Anonymous said...

It's the reason he is still involved. He is a coach at an ACC school. As the poster above stated, gets to see kids they may not otherwise see.

Anonymous said...

I have had a similar experience with my daughter. I was told that the coaches get to see the ODP kids in a different light. They are playing with kids they don't know outside of ODP and they see how the kids' adaptability to new surroundings, different kids, playing positions, and the like. It's pretty interesting how it all comes together. While you can still choose to go to a team or club based on some comforts, kids you know already on the team, proximity, coaches, etc., that is not what happens in college. So, they look at that part of it as well.

Anonymous said...

All final pool lists are now posted at

https://regioni.teamapp.com/schedule

Interesting results, but its hard to make conclusions without knowing who actually attended camp.

Anonymous said...

I see significant numbers of ECNL kids

Anonymous said...

True, thus one conclusion that can be drawn is that ECNL has not completely abandoned ODP, and its not like these are the ECNL bench sitters.

Anonymous said...

Girls ODP regional team is reasonably priced and offers great exposure both to college coaches and national teams...still. I don't know for sure the relevance for boys post DA. Many of those ECNL girls will not be doing ODP anymore after GDA is in place. The 2000 roster is full of NEFC, match fit and Penn fusion kids. Will the Bethesda kids go to Spirit? I predict a Spirit/Bethesda cooperative al la NEFC /Breakers.

Anonymous said...

5:03 - agree. ODP is reasonably priced and offers the kids a lot of different things that their club doesn't. ODP helps discover kids and put them on the path to higher level soccer play that they may not otherwise see. Will be interesting to see how it plays out with it as well.

Anonymous said...

I watched the Region III camp last week. My kid had a good time which was their only objective. From that standpoint, ODP was worth it. However, the rank politicization or the process left me feeling like I needed a shower. The integrity of the process is dependent upon the integrity and competency of those involved in it. In some circumstances, the contrast between the on-field performance/results and the pool selections were so stark, that it was blatantly obvious that at least some of the regional coaches dispelled their obligations for fair and unbiased evaluations in favor of rank advocacy.

In short, if you're looking for more that a good time for your kid, you better make sure that you have an advocat involved in the selection process.

Anonymous said...

9:06 - Sadly, that is true at times. My friend's child has been the victim of the her coach/ someone from her Assn is on the selection team. My friend's kid was the better player. And in a head to head match during the season proved it as well.

You just have to keep telling your child to continue to play hard and her hard work will be recognized/rewarded at some point.

Anonymous said...

You guys are sore losers. The region III coaches are college coaches with no club loyalties. It doesn't necessarily follow that because your kid's TEAM beat another's that she's the better player. Maybe one or two spots are influenced by certain human emotions and loyalties, but there are a huge number of clubs represented. if your kid was truly exceptional she would have been awarded a spot. In the huge pool of very good players ( wherein yours most likely resides) lots of qualities could have influenced the selections. From a coach not looking when she did something well to a coach looking to play a different style that doesn't fit yor kid. If she's in the great abyss of very good try again next year and maybe some of the luck that goes into the selection of the role players ( all but the 5 best) will go her way next year. What specific evidence do you have that the selections were political other than you think your kid should have made the team?

Anonymous said...

Off topic.. But have any of your girls done the U.S. Girls National training camps? The one day events they hold regionally. I am wondering if any of you have older girls have gone through and what is the outcome/end result of continuous invites?

Anonymous said...

9:41 The evidence is circumstantial but I believe it speaks for itself. Additionally, I was not referring to one player but an entire team that was disenfranchised. Team A defeats Teams B, C & D by scores of 2-1, 3-1 & 1-0, respectively. Team B gets 8 players placed in the region pool, Team C gets 8 players and Team D gets 5 players. The styles of play are similar for all four teams, in the manner in which they are coached. An objective observer would think that Team A would warrant a similar number of pool selections with their performance. In fact they had no players selected. N O N E. The main advantage that Teams B, C & D had were coaches from their state association amongst the regional coaches making the pool selections while Team A had none. N O N E. You do the math.

On another point, I'm a little worn on hearing results don't matter. It's a sport. Isn't the goal to win. The sentiment seems un-American to me.

Anonymous said...

Selection is based on more than just individual talent. Demeanor, leadership, attitude, ability to follow directions, sportsmanship, etc. are all also considered. Maybe, because Team A had its way with Teams B, C & D, the Team A players all thought they were better, expressed that attitude, and did not try as hard as the B, C & D players.