Saturday, December 5, 2015

ODP (Olympic Development Program) - Region I and Beyond

2015-2016 ODP: Comments, feedback, questions, friendlies, selection process and more.

36 comments:

Anonymous said...

My son is in the second day of Va State ODP tryouts for 2003's (U13). We have never done ODP before, can anyone tell me roughly how many make the State team for Virgiania each year?

Anonymous said...

For U13 it should be around 60 players, including keepers

Anonymous said...

2003 in NJ they take 75 ish
2002 in NJ they take 50
2001 in NJ they take 25

Anonymous said...

I believe that VYSA State ODP squad will consist of 3 teams of approximately 20 players, including around 2 GKs.


VYSA State selections will be announced no later than 5pm Thursday, December 10th, 2015.

Anonymous said...

VYSA pools are posted already!

Anonymous said...

VYSA ODP selections are a joke. Most, if not all, of players have already been chosen. During the tryout process the coaches barely even watch the kids that are working hard to make a team. I'm really disappointed with level of professionalism, we will not be spending our money on this again next year.

Anonymous said...

Agree.....VYSA got a lot wrong this year. WOW. I wonder if the coaches realize their selection process lacks accuracy and integrity. I was told there was selections made of a CCL team's 2nd tier substitute, but non-selects of that CCL team's starters and captains (from the same team)? This suggest a lot, the least of which is the VYSA assessment process is completely broken. If its true what you write - coaches barely watched - that's a sin. As a coach, I have always believed I should have to be able to give tangible reasons for not selecting a player. And, be able to give reasons why that player was both chosen, or, not chosen for the team. AND, provide that to the player. If this is not happening, perhaps this is why ODP has lost a lot of its once enjoyed prestige over the last decade?

Anonymous said...

For the VYSA pools, which age group are you talking about?

Anonymous said...

MSYSA ODP (Maryland) was also questionable this year. Most of the players selected for final call backs would not even be attending this session because they are away at Super Y finals in Florida. Where is the transparency in which players do make the final "cut" when some would not even be attending but still more than likely be on the final roster?

During the sessions, some of the kids wore pennies which covered their jersey numbers, so how does that work? It is clear club coaches, who are also part of the ODP staff, are getting their B level players to move to the next level. Session evaluators can be seen writing on their clip boards and potentially not paying attention to what the players are doing to give a true evaluation. There is so much wrong with this program it seems, with so much politics taking place, not to mention is it a business after all right.

Anonymous said...

....to the person who asked what age group for VYSA. Boys 02.

Anonymous said...

This all happened on the girls side as well. The evaluators just picked players from their own team/club. Maybe that is why they don't post the players home club anymore. Best way to make ODP in VA is to play for the club of the evaluators.

Anonymous said...

My daughter made the VYSA ODP State Team. We have not yet committed... She was under a lot of pressure and had 5 coaches watching Her at the end of the last day. I do believe they have their eyes on certain players.. I am now interested to see exactly what CLINS the kids and coaches are from. I thought ODP was a privilege..

Anonymous said...

My daughter has done VYSA ODP for 4 years now and no coaches from her club are involved. Most of the players she is with don't have a club coach involved with ODP.

I will say there is one club on the girls side that seems to be able to push players into the State pool that are questionable, but I don't see that overall. That club's players don't get selected for the Regional level.

Natasha Hubbard said...

Has anyone done or will be trying out for PDP next week?

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Anonymous said...

1:14 - Which gender/age group do you reference with respect to the oddity. I have heard of a similar call back issue, and would like to know if it is the same issue and perhaps isolated, or if there are more instances than the one you note.

Anonymous said...

Maryland ODP is broken. There were many girls who made call backs and were unable to attend the session because of the Super-Y Finals in Florida. Out of the girls who were at the Super-Y Finals, a good majority of those girls still made the team while a few others did not.

Also, you could obviously tell they had their minds made up going into the second day of tryouts. The first session they had at least 4 or 5 coaches evaluating the session. On the second day there were 2 coach evaluating and as mentioned above, a good bit of those players had pennies on and there was no way of telling what their number was. To top it all off, on the second day of tryouts there was one group playing in the middle of the field with absolutely ZERO coaches evaulating. This is completely unacceptable. Their method of evaulating players is completely broken. Playing scrimmages for an hour an half and evaluating doesn't work. There are some players out there who barely touched the ball during the scrimmages. I highly doubt the MSYSA ODP evaluators look at the entire field and watch how players move off the ball or read the game with a higher soccer IQ than others. They only seem to know how to spot the kids who are fast and tall.

Please note, I'm not bitter because my child did make it. However, I know of many deserving and well qualified players who did not. While other players who lack the IQ and technical skill got passed over for faster, bigger girls. It was noted during ODP last year that a certain girls coach said he only wants faster, taller players and if the other players it was their job to displace the faster, taller players even though it was noted that those players were not as skilled. The process is broken and needs fixed!

Anonymous said...

11:38am - I concur. On the day of call backs, a full practice squad wore pennies even though they were playing with the gray shirts squad. Also the format during the week day sessions were totally different from the weekend, and with some different coaches.

There is only one sure fire way to get on the MD ODP pool: get on a club team with a coach who is also an ODP staffer, even though he/she may be coaching another age group. They all have the potential for doing "favors" for each other, due to coaches picks, to accommodate players of their choice. I know this for a fact, as it worked like a charm for a lower level division 5 player this year.

Do some home work and you would notice most of the coaching staff all worked with one particular club for some years, which could be classified as a clique. Some are even on the Region 1 coaching staff, which makes for more potential of collusion.

Anonymous said...

I attended the VYSA ODP boys tryouts and have to disagree with some of the negative comments about the selection process. Before the boys even got to the state tryout they had eight practice sessions with their district coaches. That's 18 hours of evaluation with the district coaches. I'm sure the district coaches recommend and rank players to the state coaching staff, but it is my understanding that the district coaches don't select the state pool, the state staff does. This is intended to avoid the appearance of favoritism. I did not see the district coaches at the state tryouts.

At the state tryouts the state staff had 6 hours to observe and evaluate the players. About 30 of the players were on the 2014-2015 state team, so the state coaching staff had good knowledge of these players abilities. Virginia dominated at the regional tournament in June with these players, winning every division they played. So it's completely reasonable that most all of these past players were selected again for the state pool. I could spot a number of them and they were clearly some of the most talented there. The state coaches needed to find another 25 players out of the approximately 90 that were left.

Honestly, it was fairly easy to see them dividing the groups -- good/better/best. The last hour and a half of the tryout you could see the whittling of the field as selected boys were moved in and sometimes out of scrimmage teams with past state team players. My son was one of those who was moved to the team with the some of the past state players and he was also wearing a pinny and they were able to figure out his number. The boys that could hang with the state kids stayed and the ones who couldn't keep up were moved down to other teams.

This is a tryout and it's not surprising that some otherwise talented kids don't always bring their A-game. But the way these tryouts are separated into morning and afternoon sessions over two weekends, helps diminish the impact of one bad session. Regarding the complaint that a CCL 2 player beat out a CCL player, that shouldn't be a shock, as there are many extremely skilled kids in the big Northern Virginia clubs on the B teams. The CCL 2 boy that was referred to earlier was likely playing like his life depended on it and earned a spot. I was watching one of these boys and he deservedly made the team.

I don't know any of the state coaches, none of them are part of my son's club team, nor were the district coaches. My son was selected to the state pool, so the accusations that they play favorites doesn't stand up in my case.

I've found OPD to be a great training opportunity for my son and the state scrimmages a chance for him to showcase his talent.

Anonymous said...

+1000!!!!

VYSA absolutely does it really well when it comes to selecting the State pools

Anonymous said...

Hello, my child is on the ODP state team for '03 girls. Her teams just came out and I was wondering if the three teams are ranked by playing ability or are mixed up so all teams are equal. Thank you for your time.

Anonymous said...

What state are you in?

Anonymous said...

MD is tiered with A, B, and C teams for U13. Md has yet to practice so it may not be too friendly for them.

Anonymous said...

VA typically has balanced teams at U13

Anonymous said...

hELP!!!! I AM LOOKING FOR THE nj SCHEDULE FOR VIRGINIA FRIENDLIES. DOES ANYONE KNOW THE LINK?

Anonymous said...

not published yet, but it will be here when it is
http://events.gotsport.com/events/Default.aspx?EventID=51374

Anonymous said...

Virginia Friendlies schedule is now posted on Gotsoccer.

Anonymous said...

The 99" Boys did well in Virginia, won two games and tied one. Beat PA West 1-0, Beat NC 2-0 and tied Virginia 2-2. Nice job boys!

Anonymous said...

Can the person in charge of this forum please delete the non soccer comments.

Anonymous said...

Why did girls from PA play for NJ ODP at the VA friendlies ?

Anonymous said...

BREAKING: What does this new development mean for the future of ODP and ECNL?

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2016/02/23/14/48/160223-gda-us-soccer-to-launch-girls-development-academy-in-fall-of-2017

US Soccer just announced a development academy (DA) for girls U14 thru U19 to start in the Fall 2017. Participating teams would be scouted by US Soccer coaches for a pathway to youth WNTs, and NWSL Pro teams.

The program guidelines calls for training at least 4 days a week, and players cannot participate in alternate programs like ODP. So US Soccer and USYSA are going head to head with this new program it seems.

IMHO, I think this is a good thing as scouts can see elite players in their team environment, and take away the perception ODP has to only select most players based on whether they play on a club team also coached by an ODP coach. Maybe the NWSL teams can also field academy teams throughout the year which would help generate additional revenue for them and yet still have elite players exposed to national teams.

Any thoughts on the board on this new development?

Anonymous said...

DA will have little effect on ODP because so few players will be accepted into DA or reside close enough to DA to make attending training session four days a week a reasonable venture. I contend ODP is a more equitable platform than other ID programs because it is open to anyone, and does not require an invitation and does not exclude certain clubs. I have seen only a few instances where a player made ODP through a suspected club connection. With respect to why PA players played for NJ, they most likely play for NJ club teams. PA had players from other states. A player can cross state lines for ODP depending on state of residence and state of club affiliation.

manbehindthecurtain said...

I'm curious about some of the comments here regarding the ODP selection process, both at the state (MD) and regional levels.

My daughter participated in MD ODP for several years, and although she has now aged out, several of the coaches from her tenure remain. Although she never had the "benefit" of any coaches from her club participating in ODP, she made both the state and regional teams every year she tried out (except for her first year, when she tried out for an older team). Moreover, to my recollection, all of here club teammates who tried out made their respective age group state teams, and several made regional teams as well. On the whole, there girls were not the tallest, fastest, or strongest, but they were generally the most technically skilled and smartest players (in fact, the team drove opponents crazy for years because they didn't "look" like they should beat you, but they usually did!).

I say this not to toot any particular horn but to argue that in our experience with ODP over several years, soccer ability usually triumphed over raw athleticism in team selection. Regional team selection was a bit dicier, but mostly because there are many more viable options competing for spots up at URI, and it can be hard for some players to catch the staff's eye. But even when her teammates missed regional pool, it was usually hard to argue too strenuously with the choices the coaches made.

At the end of the day, the perception of "truth" in such matters as team selection is often in the eye of the beholder, colored often by preconceived notions or even misunderstandings of what "talent" actually is. During my coaching days (non-soccer), I rarely needed more than 30 minutes to whittle a tryout pool to a manageable number of, say, one-and-a-half times the size of the eventual roster. There were occasional second or third day surprises, but probably no more than three or four over fifteen years. As parents, we need to give the ODP coaches some credit for being good at what they do, acknowledging that they might know more than we do.

ODP has some flaws, and to be honest the level of MD ODP training was usually well below what my daughter experienced at her club team practices, but she made some good friends and had great opportunities to play in front of and train with college coaches at the regional and national training camps. Her state coaches encouraged her to try new things and advocated for her at regional camps. She even met her college coach through ODP, and most importantly, she had a great time in the program.

Anonymous said...

No doubt, ODP (MD) has been a been a very useful avenue for the better players to advance and be recognized in the past.

However, with the advent of ECNL, EDP, Region 1 Champions league, etc the better players and coaches are gravitating to those leagues and no longer even attempting to be involved with MD ODP. Hence MD ODP is now a second or third tier, if you will. Now with the US Soccer girls DA coming next year, this would cause further downplaying of the value in ODP.

Something has to give here, as there are a number of programs now jockeying for the best talent, where a small fraction of these programs are purely commercial ventures where the U12 and U13 groups subsidize the bulk of the profits.

Anonymous said...

My daughter is on the MD U13 ODP team and I noticed that a majority of the players are from the Baltimore area near the training. The few players from Montgomery County teams that I know play Pre-ECNL, Wags, and CCL. They have had only one practice, so I cannot really comment on the quality of the players/coaches yet. As for now I’m looking at it as extra training that she needs being her club team has just two trainings per week.

Anonymous said...

That is exactly how you should look at it. Dont worry of how she is being viewed vs the other players - just that the sessions are productive.