Wednesday, March 11, 2015

ODP (Olympic Development Program) - Region I and Beyond

2015-2016 ODP: Comments, feedback, questions, friendlies, selection process and more.

57 comments:

Anonymous said...

So if you want to play on an ecnl team and odp which are in two areas, which odp team do you play on? The one located in your ecnl area or the one closest to your home?

Anonymous said...

@12:28pm. Closest to your home. ODP has no affiliation with the ECNL.

Anonymous said...

Absolutely. If you have the money, play ecnl.
But realistically she needs to play on the best team possible where she starts or gets optimum playing time. Love all those 24 + rosters on ecnl when only 18 can dress for games. Hey coach, that's me under the blanket at the end of the bench. Might play tomorrow.
Or try paying all the fees then pay the travel costs to Texas(flight/hotel/food) another $1500
and only dress play for one or two games of the three.
Yes! the top 11-14 ecnl players get excellent exposure, but top 11-14 players on any National League team, Region 1 Champions League ALL get great exposure.
Question is, IS it really worth being one of the roster filler players. I mean how much fun is that for your player??

Anonymous said...

I am not sure about the relevance of ODP in Girls soccer, but I can tell you with certainty that for boys soccer, it is just an irrelevent money making scam tailored for rich parents.

Anonymous said...

@ January 13, 2015 at 4:18 PM

Totally agree. My daughter was best on top team in the state as well. Tried ODP one year and terrible. If you go to region camps and have your child stuck in a group with girls from some state associations that just accept everyone that shows up, then it makes out for a terrible time. Can't play real nice fast, possession soccer. Waste of money and time.

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Anonymous said...

Any word of odp try out results yet?

Anonymous said...

The ODP results should be posted tomorrow .

Anonymous said...

99/98 results posted

Anonymous said...

Can anyone speak to how beneficial Region 1 camp in Rhode Island is for Girls side - specifically Goalkeepers? Is instruction and time spent on the field worth the cost? Has anyone's daughter gone as a goalkeeper? Thanks in advance.

Anonymous said...

@9:09 I agree. And for NPL players isn't ODP a straight-up good thing? Seems like this gives girls another opportunity for some higher-level coaching. Even if they don't go to the camp the 8 weeks of coaching and tourney play have to be an overall positive.

Anonymous said...

I can only speak for the girls' programs. The region 1 camp is simply a means to make the regional team. The Boca Raton interregional is one of the most heavily scouted events in the country. If your kid can make that squad it is another avenue for exposure. As a camp only, the region 1 camp is not really a skill builder it is mostly scrimmages to be able to pick the regional team. There is a lot of movement in the iD lists. I do think they try to be fair. Politics account for a few players, but surprisingly few.

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Anonymous said...

ODP does it again. I really can not believe who they take and omit. I just cant imagine what they are looking at.

Anonymous said...

@3:35 as the mom of an ODP selectee, I'm truly curious as to what you mean. I have no axe to grind and am just trying to educate myself. Are you suggesting that the girls who were selected are not good enough to be there? Were there girls trying out who didn't make it that you thought should have? It looked like an awfully light turnout at the two April tryouts; maybe a bunch of people simply decided not to participate?

Anonymous said...

Can someone explain to me the point of the ODP camp? If a kid goes through to the tournament, what happens next? My child has a conflict this summer -- she's already committed to a college ID camp, and it's a school she wants to attend. But what's the downside to missing the ODP camp?

Anonymous said...

@2:01 from your post it seems like missing the ODP camp would mean no chance of making the Regional team. Am I reading that correctly? Is that a hard and fast rule?

Anonymous said...

With very few exceptions related to illness or injury in a kid who was on the team the previous year or well known to be a complete stud, the kids have to do the camp to be chosen for the interregional team.

Anonymous said...

@8:06 am I completely agree with you. My daughter is with the 2000s. It is strongly suggested to go to camp.
Also, I had a chance to watch the 99s v 98s. The 99s looked really good. There was a striker on the 99s that was destroying the 98s. I know it is early to tell but 99s may do well. If and when the 00s play the 99s in a scrimmage, it will be interesting to watch.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, @8:06, that's helpful. I guess we'll cross that bridge when/if we get there. I'm thinking that since the point of all this is to introduce my daughter to the right coach(es) so she can play in college, going to the school camp would be more important. It's already a school she wants to go to so all that's left is for her to make the team.

Anonymous said...

@10:05 - Make sure that the camp she will be going to will confirm that the coach(s) from that school will be in attendance. Depending on the school, most of the coaches are either, coaching their respective club teams for the summer or they are at an event scouting players. My oldest daughter went to one of those camps. She said it was a good experience to visit the college. The head coach was not in attendance for that ID camp. It was the assistant - assistant coach and some players handling the ID camp. Note….the school was D1. Granted, the coach was probably taking notes/etc. . Even though my daughter enjoyed the visit, I personally chalked it up as a mini-summer camp for my daughter and a fund raising opportunity for the soccer program at that particular school.

Anonymous said...

FYI
Frequently the associate coaches (second in command) are actually in charge of organizing recruiting. At the top programs the coaches will have to see your kid in cimpetiition with his/ her club. The iD camp puts your kid on their list to see at the next event. Sometimes they have already seen you kid play and the iD camp can cement the deal. In general they are worthwhile especially if you know the school has seen your kid play. Have the kid Email them ahead and tell them that they have seen her play at such and such event and that this school is her/ his top choice. He/ she is therefore coming to the ID camp hopefully to give the coach another perspective on their play, training work ethic and personality. It can lead to an offer. They aren't just a money grab for some kids who know they are of the level and especially if there has already been some interest. Good luck.

Anonymous said...

I would agree with @1:43pm. I think you are about 70% right regarding your point. I have a friend who is a D2 coach. Granted it is D2 that he coaches but he explained that the he runs the camps because that is what his predecessor did. My friend said that it is hard to evaluate a player at the ID camps because of varying levels of skill. Remember, the ID camps are open to whoever wants to show up. You pay then you participate. My friend said that he uses the ID camp to promote the college more so than ID’ing talent. He said that he already has his mind made up for who he will take for the next season. He did say that every now and then.......EVERY now and then…..someone will come through the ID camp and he will have a second look at them at a showcase. It has been awhile since that has happened per my friend. Don’t get me wrong, ID camps may work for some but I would suggest making sure the coach/school that you are interested in attending will see you in a competitive environment with similar skilled players.

Anonymous said...

ODP=Money Grab

Anonymous said...

In reading many of these posts, you folks are absolutely clueless about what ODP is, and is not. Including whether it is "relevant" or not. My advice is don't take advice from a parent via a blog. Get the FACTS.

Anonymous said...

Should we follow your advice since you are a parent on a blog?

Anonymous said...

ODP is a great resource to add to the soccer resume. My oldest went through the ODP process and now my youngest. I think it is up to personal experience. My opinion, it is similar to an individual’s experience on a club team, if you are not happy…..move on. Someone eluded to the fact that it is a “Money grab”. You have to “pay to play” everywhere…..club, elite, camps…etc. They are all “Money grabs”. Soccer in NJ is not free. Side note….my oldest is playing D1 soccer and my youngest is on a current ECNL team. The only issue that I have with ODP vs ECNL currently…..is the conflicting tournaments vs ODP commitments…..other than that….great experience. Based on my oldest daughters recruiting experience, the coach was impressed with the level of soccer she participated in (ECNL, ODP, ID camps, etc). If your child is college bound with the possible ambition to play soccer, I would think the soccer resume is key however you can make it work.

Anonymous said...

Is it mandatory for a player to stay at the prescribed hotel for the PDA tournament? Any help would be appreciated.

Anonymous said...

From what I have heard, if you are a team that is travelling, you have to book through the travel agency set up by PDA. If I am not mistaken, if a team indicates that they are travelling, PDA requires you to use that agency. We are local so obviously we have no need to use them but a friend travelling with their team said they have to book with the PDA required agency.

Anonymous said...

PDA teams
20 GOALS (AGAINST)
7 GOALS SCORED (ALL FIVE TEAMS

Anonymous said...

ODP needs a better and more current website

Anonymous said...

I agree. They are not updating the website fast enough or efficiently. They are using this app which is ok...not the best. ODP girls side seems like a mess for right now.....they took some 99 girls and moved them to the 98s. I noticed that the 99s possibly have more goalies than needed. They should move rotate them with the 99s and 98s. My daughter is on the 98s and she noticed that some of the girls have been missing practice.....they are probably with their teams at showcases. Curious to see how this weekends round-robin will play out.

Anonymous said...

If you look at all of the players that have been recruited - whether on the collegiate level or the national level - so many of them have ODP on their resume. That also includes ECNL players. ODP is another platform by which you can have your daughter assessed against and trained with some of the best players in the region. Whether your child has success at ODP also depends on your ability to be realistic about where your child falls on a state/regional/national level. As with anything, some girls show better than others. Sometimes it's just timing and the luck of the draw - maybe your daughter happened to perform really well while a regional/national coach was present. Maybe they played their best game ever and maybe no coach got a glimpse. Understand that ODP is not a guarantee. They will train your daughter in a manner that should give them an idea of what it takes to train and play at the highest levels. Whether your child can perform at that level is another issue. There are so many things that go into the process - physical ability, mental toughness, vision, the ability to think 4 or 5 steps ahead, perserverence, etc. . . Regional camp is grueling and a rude awakening for many players. But if your child can learn to adapt and keep focused it is a means that can open many doors. As they say at ODP "learn to become comfortable with being uncomfortable". The only way to grow as a player is to consistently challenge yourself. And that means pushing to the nth degree. So I believe that those who are so down on ODP probably went in with unrealistic expectations. They tell you that they get it wrong a good amount of the time - but also factor in that players grow (physically & mentally) at different rates so a player that may seem to have tons of potential at U-13 may fall behind later on or never develop to their "potential". A player that seemed behind at U-14 might develop their game, come back and be a standout at U-15. Keep your expectations in check and be realistic and you will see that ODP can provide a great vehicle for players to be seen at the higher levels - especially for those non-ECNL players.

Anonymous said...

How many college coaches usually addend an event? Will there be any in NJ this weekend?

Anonymous said...

Odp weekend and they didn't even cut the grass. Could be my last year of this program. One tournament all year and they have to play in a wheat field.

Anonymous said...

My "Unrealistic expectations" would include quality training sessions, top notch playing conditions, fair evaluations and overall value for the money. The Odp staff see numbers declining but are including younger ages to keep their pockets full.

Anonymous said...

One game on turf and the rest on a dangerous cow pasture. I agree the potential is there for a great augment for some kids but the facilities are an embarrassment. How can you judge kids' technical ability when the surface cannot support it. Much rather play on all dirt than this garbage.

Anonymous said...

What is the subbing rule for the ODP tournament?

Anonymous said...

For U15, U16, U17 the subbing rule is no re-entry in the same half

Anonymous said...

We used to play on fields that were made of cow dung and cinders. We were tough back then, not like the kids of today.

Just kick the ball in the goal.

Anonymous said...

Uh huh
We are talking about a fairly expensive ID program Not the neighborhood pickup or school ball of your distant past. Decent facilities are necessary to properly showcase technical ability. All dirt is acceptable. Long grass with rocks and intermingled bare spots do not allow for technical ability to be evaluated.

Anonymous said...

NJ U16 should have gone through. Hosed

Anonymous said...

hosed?? they were pretty far down in the standings

Anonymous said...

NJU16G were 2-1 after pool play and picked up a loss due to a substitution error that was protested by Virginia after beating them. The result of the protest was a 1-0 win for Virginia. So it changed their record to 1-2.

Anonymous said...

I heard about that and saw it change on the standings. Virginia protested but Region 1 ODP should have stuck with the original score due to the rules stated on the region 1 site “No protesting”. If anything, the refs should be held responsible, if that is possible. Hey Region 1 ODP…..poor management!!! Those girls probably worked hard for that win. Disappointing!!!

Anonymous said...

so the NJ coach/team knew the rules, subsequently violated the rules, and is upset they were caught?

Anonymous said...

In defense of NJ or any team in that situation, the ref should have addressed the issue at the time of the match, with a yellow card at best, removal of the player off the field and/or a warning to the coach.

Yes, coaches are aware of the rules, that is why a “REFEREE” is there to enforce the rules at the time of the match. Anything after that is chalked up to history.

In my opinion, it is pretty lame to take away a win for the possible innocent infraction. If you are planning on going back in history to scrutinize that particular match, (if there is a video) why not review the whole match for potential yellow/red cards. Shame on the officials for missing that major detail and shame on the governing body that allowed the disqualification leading up to the loss.

Anonymous said...

Ha Ha…this is ridiculous!!! I will call this “Sub-gate”! Faith in Region 1 ODP management just went totally out the door. The standings for the Girl U16 bracket is mind blowing. Not only did they take the win away from NJYS 99GIRLS2015 and gave it to VA. They also removed NYWEST 1999 A from the #1 spot. They had nothing to do with “Sub-gate”. I wouldn’t be surprised if NYWEST 1999 and NJYS 1999 girls return to ODP. What does that say about how these young ladies view the management of soccer. I think these ladies understand that officiating a match is a toss-up due different varibles but when the powers that be (Region 1 ODP staff) make a decision like this……….they have to wonder…….”Is the game really over!?!” Correct me if I am wrong, have they ever turned over a result in any PRO matches or college matches!?!

Kudos to the VA coach for whining. Since your team is unable to put the ball in the net, you subject yourself to other methods of advancing. I hope the VA coach realizes the opportunity he took away from NYWEST 1999 to showcase in the semis. Hey!!... NYWEST 1999…. if no one apologized to you, I hope they (Region 1 ODP) do right by you and apologize. That is truly being hosed!!!!

Anonymous said...

what was the substitution violation?

Anonymous said...

a kid probably reentered the half. Refs fault shouldn't punish the team. Same as any other call the ref makes.

Anonymous said...

No re-entry after a substitution with-in the same half. The rules stated that re-entry was not allowed. Parent said that the ref reminded the coaches of the re-entry rule at the half and everything seemed fine. My daughters 98 team was allowed to re-enter. It was great to see that the 98s were allowed to showcase. I would have assumed that they would allow the girls to showcase their talents. The 99 parent told me that the VA coach protested and the NJ win was overturned. VA was given the win and it shifted the whole bracket. NY West was told they won the bracket and then they were told that they did not win in order to advance to the semis. VA went from 3rd place to 1st place.

Anonymous said...

3:24 PM - I agree with you. Rule stands. If they want to make things right. Let the whole bracket advance and play everything over again. I know that...that would be impossible due to logistics/politics/finances...etc. but....really....... the only solution.....punish the kids....so they had was to overturn everything.

Anonymous said...

If the ref missed the substitution error, how is that any different then missing a hand ball or an offsides? How can you go retro and make a decision? I really cant believe that they did that. They have a no protest rule, so why doesnt NJ protest the protest? If they are to be consistent then they will have to give the win back to NJ.

Anonymous said...

For NJ, I don’t think it would have made a difference except for a possible shot at a wildcard spot but for NY West…they should be the ones contesting. They actually had the #1 seed and were definitely going to the semi-finals.

Anonymous said...

A 40$ t-shirt is what ODP is, nothing more.

Anonymous said...

How's the girls 00,01,02 camp going?

Anonymous said...

ODP completely political. The fact that you can only make a regional team by playing first for state team then by attending an $800 camp (with no exceptions made for playoffs conflicts), is proof of that. This is not an organization looking for best talent in Region 1 at a grass roots level - it's a Pay for Play to support their board and f/t employees.