Heard the camp at Rhode Island is happening now for the 96-98s. Is there any kind of TV feed where we can watch the games?
so, they are back. thoughts?
Most surpising comment I heard was "Rhode Island is a Dump". I had heard it was a nice campus.
don't know about that camp but the 2000 camp was weak
I heard that Jersey and VA had about 8 or so each on the pool.
2000's weak? That is giving them credit.
1999 Camp for girls going on now. They got air conditioned dorms this year. It's gotta be better than the hot, roach infested conditions of years past.
Anyone else getting the shaft? There are practice players and gamers but ODP would never know this.
7:35 please elaborate. Not sure what your post means.
question re: current '99/'00 girls camp: were the players pre-selected prior to camp for the regional pool or are they evaluated at the camp?
I think that they have certain players idnetified going into the camp, based on tryouts/previous years/games and Tranining sessions, but considering that they move kids around to different fields, that proves that the teams aren't already selected prior to the camp. I agree that some girls will have no chance of making the top squad, and more than likely that will be based on merit. Even if a kid doesn't show well prior to the camp, there is still a chance that they will have a great week and catch someones eye. And get moved up.
can a player make the final regional pool without being identified at the camp for the daily morning or afternoon ID regional pool?
Yes, it is rare but possible that a player not picked for/playing in a regional pool game could be picked.I have not known of a player personally like that though. I do know that the individual coaches' recommendations can easily be overridden, so that someone who is told they will be recommended for a pool game will not necessarily get in.
So, we have people saying that clubs develop players. Really? My U13 daughter has been in 2 clubs so far. No club has developed her. She has developed her. She listens, she applies, she practices. She attends a training academy. She goes to ODP. She takes what coaches say, she plays against other high level players, she grows in the game. It's her. Not the coach. In fact, to the extent that you have to give credit to someone for showing her what to work on, you really have to give credit to other players. Playing with and against players who are better makes you better. Far more than any club coach. Just as an example - our cub is always talking about how they "develop" players. But what they really do is recruit players. Every tournament they invite guest players to fill out the roster and make the teams look better. Then they recruit the best players from the teams they beat.Anyway - back to the point.The academy director hates club coaches, the club coaches hate the academy director, they both hate ODP. The Academy director says, "why pay thousands of dollars in fees and travel to go to ECNL just to get beat by Scott Gallagher?" The club coach says, "why spend thousands to go to that training academy when we play ECNL?" (But there is no U13 ECNL)They both say, "ODP is a money making scheme". Really? A money making scheme? We paid $95 for 4 1.5 hour training sessions and 6 hours of assessments. Upon being selected for the state pool we paid $125 for seven 1.5 hour training sessions, four 2 hour training sessions, plus assessments. That's less than $10 an hour. The training academy charges $30 - $100 an hour. Upon being selected for regional camp, we paid $750.00. That included bus transportation (800 miles round trip), 4 days lodging, all meals and snacks, paid for the coaches, fields, etc. If I sent my daughter to a horse camp I'd have to pay more. When we go to a regional tournament for 3 days it generally costs me about $600 in lodging, food and fees. ODP a Money maker? Seriously? 'Stay to Play' is a money maker. Honestly folks, do what you want, but for my money I'll gladly pay that pittance for the high level of coaching I've seen at ODP. I'll gladly pay for any training that moves my player ahead. And what really counts isn't the club coach slamming ODP coaching or training academy coaching, or the training academy director slamming club coaching or ODP coaching. After all, no plumber ever likes another plumber's work. No. What matters is when I see my player developing, progressing, staying motivated, and continuing to love the game and grow with the game. My player is a top player playing for a top club team, attending a top training academy and going to ODP. And developing a real nice resume in the process. She may tank tomorrow. Who can really tell at this age? Or she may get injured in which case the club will drop her like a hot potato and the training academy will continue to collect the contracted fees. But until that happens she'll continue to do those things that make her a better player and not do those things that don't. So far, ODP, the training academy and her club all give her a piece of what she needs to continue to grow. Each one by themselves is almost worthless. Together they have just barely enough to keep a top player going. There's one last thing I'll point out. Of all three, and all three in our experience have merit, the only one that doesn't try to convince us to drop the others is ODP. Seems to me as though ODP is the only program that understands its proper place as one piece of a puzzle.
12:32AM Are you a real parent or someone from ODP trying to advertise? I can't comment on the girls side, but a commenter on June 11 had it right for the boys. $1,000 for 10 sessions. Then add all the other fees if you progress. It seems follow up comments show many of those sessions were cancelled and you failed to mention it is basically impossible for any player in the northern half of the state to attend weeknights at the ODP location. Where did you get away with $10/hr? Seriously. Please educate us because those are not the fees outlined anywhere for ODP. My club math works out as follows. 2 sessions/wk comes to about 100/yr for $1,500/ That is $15/session or $10/hr and I get league and tourney play etc/ for the year. Location local. Just because a coach recruits doesn't mean he doesn't also develop. A good coach should do both. While I agree most rely too much on recruiting a good team and less on teaching (they are probably over their heads already at U13/14 with a top 20 team) I doubt the ODP coaches are any better and if you are on a top club team then i doubt the kids will be any better at ODP either. As a parent on the boys side, w/o any input from coaches or trainers, it looks obvious to me that ODP is not money well spent.
Teams picked or do the players picked have other hurdles before being on the region team?
They have the camp for all state ODP players first, then pick a regional pool. The regional pool get to go to another camp (which costs money, and the money is due very quickly) to see who will make the regional team. Even after that, they only pick so many players to go on each Region 1 team trip.
It is sad that everywhere else in the world, soccer is about skill and love of the game. In the US, it is about money and keeping the players who pay the money, and bringing in their friends, and making teams, ODP or not, into cliques.Time was that you could pay $1000 for your kid to get a spot on a very good team, now we're lucky to get a team for $3000 if they go to college showcases. And ODP is another $1500 or so.
Speaking to 9:10 - I agree with your sentiment. We are paying too much money. But it is our only choice now, in this country, if we want to kids to play at a high level, we have to pay for it. The only exception I know about it are as follows:- Academies of MLS teams (boys only)- Financial Aid or some type of assistance (basically means other kids will pay more to make up for it, or you have some scholarship mechanism in place)The problem in this country is that our pyramid is completely upside down. The parents of the players fund development of their own kids, and they do it to pay individual entreprenuers (I do not begrduge them making a living) to train our kids. This has to be a multi-million, perhaps billion dollar industry across the country.And it has developed this way because we are not like other countries - we do not have wealthy and established pro soccer leagues who have the money to fund scouting their own countries to locate talent that they will bring into their academies, in the hope that some of these kids will eventually blossom into first team players or even superstars, or become players that they can sell to other clubs, thereby getting return on their investment.Even though these clubs are in the business of making money, there is something so much more pure and honest about this capitalistic approach - a child will only progress to the next level if he deserves to progress based on level of play and perceived potential (what will this kids eventually do for us). If a player does not show signs of a returns for a club, he is dropped. It has nothing to do with taking money from the parents, as it does here. Here, politics, favoritism and $$$ from the parents are the driving forces. And then, when all things are equal, talent comes into the equation. America has become a goldmine of opportunity for people wanting to make a career training (both Americans and lots of foreigners). Something I suspect that they could not make a living at in most other countries.Back to 9:10 - yes .. it is sad. But I don't think its that we don't have a love of the game. I think that our love for the game at the youth level is not matched by enough love at the pro level to generate the revenue to invert the pyramid. We are so far down this other path, I don't see it changing very soon - and not sure if will even change for girls because the promise of financial returns on investment will not be there.
Bravo 12:21 I've been saying that on these boards for a while now.In my opinion:1.We have to change our leagues from a franchise league to an Open league all under one Umbrella.2. Scrap the College draft and go to a transfer system. This will allow the teams on the bottom of the pyramid to find the talent - develop the talent and then transfer the players to a bigger club - for a fee. this will keep our fees down as parents.With an Open league there will be opportunities for every club to reach the top - by either developing talent or buying talent. Any way you slice it - Our kids will be developed and will go as far as their talent brings them, there will be no need for ODP -r any other System that identifies talent. The Prodigy players will be moving up the pyramid very easily with or without their club.I was shocked, the NWSL wasn't built as an open league. You already have the USSF paying the salaries of the USWNT - why not start the Pyramid.NWSLW-LeagueWPSLECNLSUPER YREGIONAL PREMIER LEAGUESSTATE PREMIER LEAGUETRAVEL LEAGUESI agree - with everything you said. Soccer is loved in this country.PS. When was the last time any of you supported a MLS, NASL, USPRO, PDL, NPSL or any of the Women's leagues by watching their games on TV or on Youtube in addition to paying for a ticket.Support your Clubs!!! So they can get those big TV contracts.Sorry If I sound a little crazy.
Question on the camp: a 96 boy who did not play ODP this year but was a member last year went to the camp and made the initial state pool. This player received heavy recruiting from the U-16 region 1 coach last year, and is now a U-17 pool member. Is it allowed for this player to go to camp even though he did not play for his state? I'm confused as to how this is even allowed, as all other kids paid over 1,000 dollars to play for ODP this year. Mind-blowing.
Be better and it won't matter. Your kid tried out. That kid was pursued.
If you have to try out for all these extras - Can only mean one thing - your kid is not on a club that has exposure. Any Child that can play top level on a Club that has exposure will be "pursued" as 7:30 said or they have a coach that has some pull.
More pull then pursue. Good old boys club at work all the time
My kid isn't a 96. Just putting the word out. No need to bash my kid before even knowing the fullness of the scenario.
how do the tryouts work?? my kid is a 96 and keeper??
The regional camp currently is the call back camp and is a pool of players called the regional pool. Out of the pool of players, members are selected to take part in special training sessions, inter-regional, and international trips. Making the pool is the first step, during the camp selections are made for the next event.
the tryouts that are at tcnj next weekend for 97-98 are they worth going to or are the teams kind of picked a;ready??
current 97 team will not be there. they won regional and do not have to show up until april.
NJ 2014 ODP Tryouts:Saturday and Sunday:July 27 - 28 and August 3-4College of New JerseyEwing, NJDetails: http://www.njyouthsoccer.com/clubsite/?p=4751Online Registration:https://www.njyouthsoccer.com/asp/application/reg/Default.asp?ProgramID=18424ABOUT THE NJ ODP PROGRAMOlympic Development ProgramThe US Youth Soccer Olympic Development Program has been in existence since 1977. It was the first program introduced to help identify potential national team youth players through an organized series of trials which began at the district or local level, progressed through the state, region and finally the national level. The current program also serves as a means of development as the players identified are brought together for training and prepared for interstate, inter-regional and international competitions. The development of the players is taking place rapidly as talented players are brought together for training and competition at all levels. Training and playing with those of equal or greater ability is a tremendous teaching tool. The program is open to any youth player affiliated with US Soccer.The higher up the ladder a player progresses, the more intense the training and playing become. The regional teams experience both interregional and international competitions on an annual basis. A pool of players is selected for each age group with the rosters changing each year as players develop at different rates. Regional players have traveled to around the country and internationally such as Spain, Italy, France, England, Argentina, Costa Rica, Germany and Russia.While the US Youth Soccer ODP is one vehicle for development and identification, it is not the only pathway under US Soccer. All programs work together to help the players attain their ultimate potential. The US Youth Soccer ODP does provide a systematic method that allows players to advance as far as their abilities allow. It serves as a form of self-evaluation in a system that is recognized by coaches at all levels.Advantages and benefits of the ODP Program1) Identification into the highest youth state level system.Development as a player. 2) The opportunity to train and play with the best players in one's age group.3)Quality instruction from nationally licensed coaches.Quality competition. Games against other National State Association teams.4) Exposure to US Youth Soccer Regional and US National Team coaches.5)The opportunity to represent one's state, region, or country in competition.6) Exposure to college coaches-over 90% of the coaches at the State and Regional Level come from top NCAA Men's and Women's Soccer Programs.To learn more, visit www.njyouthsoccer.com or call (609) 490 - 0725
Sorry forgot one7) Shell out only $1700 for 7-10 practices on crappy 2nd rate college ultimate frisbee fields, 2 scrimmages and 3 Regional Games. Please don't get hurt or you will not get refund.
Agree with #7.And for #2: not true. The best players in ones age group are not at ODP.
oh --Are the on the regional team of ODP?
meant to say is the quality of the regional team of ODP better than say the girls on the ECNL team....how about the National ODP team..can they compete with the girls on the ecnl team.?
Not always. And the US BNT players are not the best in their age group either.Honestly, if a parent of a 10 year old boy was looking for advice to get his kid to the highest level of soccer possible, on the highest level team possible by age 14, I'd say feed him broken glass and nails, and treat him poorly. They look for "effort" far more than they look for skill, and the kids that have both are hard to find.The ODP regional teams are certainly better than the NJ ODP team, but remember also that the best players get taken off the state team leaving them worse off than before.
are ECNL players allowed to do ODP? hearing conflicting opinions.
Kudos to NJ ODP staff to try to get the 97 tryouts in. The weather was getting nasty, but at least they got the new kids registered and 15 minutes of play. Weather driving home was terrible, and there was lightning.All the other groups tried out without a problem.
Yes, it was important to see those 12 players perform.
hey 97, how many were there considering the current team "need not apply"?
There were over 20 boys trying out on Saturday, according to my son's friend. There were at least 5 new on Sunday, but a bunch were not there on Sunday. The girls side had more than 20 on Sunday.There were six players who made the regional pool a few weeks ago, and don't need to tryout. One of whom is terrible, but he is the apple of NJ ODP's eye, but that's beside the point.By this point, some of the best players are committed, especially on the girls side, so you would expect fewer players trying out.My son thought those trying out were not that bad, and likely made the state team last year but not the regional pool. Final state pool players need to tryout each year, regional pool players do not need to tryout.
There were about 20 players for the 97 boys on Saturday. Probably twice as many on the girls side. Problem was, some of the girls were not difficult to cut. Most of the boys had done ODP before, and with the exception of one goalie, all were pretty good.I cannot blame parents for not continuing in the ODP program. For example, two central NJ teams used to send a lot of boys to ODP, but now they are ranked in the top ten of the country. They can't miss their team commitments for ODP, and years of ODP didn't get them past the regional ODP pool. But somehow they are top ten in the US.
is this referring to the 97 girls?"There were six players who made the regional pool a few weeks ago, and don't need to tryout. One of whom is terrible, but he is the apple of NJ ODP's eye, but that's beside the point."regional pool had nothing to do with it. none of the 2013 97 girls had to show up. they won the regional in DE and advance to the national. I'd bet that none of the players you saw were on the current roster.
^^^^ I take it back. You said "he". I missed that. sorry.
watched a few days of tryouts, a few good field players the keepers average at best saw one 6'3" boy from south jersey was pretty athletic will never make trip to tcnj to play odp-- another one 6'5 should play hoops,the other three equal had make first cuts in the past. the tryouts seem to me to be a waste of time a nice money maker for odp i think the freehold and manalapan club teams are better than odp
tryouts a waste of time for 97s
the 97s tryout was less than exciting, I saw two days of workouts, a few players stood out, a keeper from south jersey pretty good there on Saturday will never make the trip to odp to play, a few other keepers on sunday were all pretty equal with a 6 foot 5 kid who had great height but struggled on the ground, basketball might be his game, odp seems to be a nice money maker in doing tryouts 4 days 50 per per kid nice bizI think the club teams from Manalapan and freehold could beat the nj odp didn't see any big time dI players trying out
Notified when and how if made the next step?
"after Labor Day" is posted on the main NJYS page (not posted on the ODP page - note that practice cancellations show up on main page for some reason not the ODP page).That can mean the day after Labor Day, or as long as two weeks later. I wish they would get it over with before school starts, so if my kid is disappointed, he gets over it right away instead of distracting him from school.Interested to see if he is cut, as they had fewer players trying out for 97s than they normally take (with the exception of goalies, they'll cut two goalies at least). He was not the worst, but they know he could do better, so that would count against him.
he got cut last year he is getting cut again save your time and money
Well yeah, I guess, but Willamsburg has some really good places to get big pancakes so he'd be happy to go back and do some more pancake comparisons.I don't know if he'll be more disappointed if he is cut or not cut.
you and he have no need to be disappointed its all a joke if your son is a keeper let him play on his travel team work hard and go to some showcases, there was one boy from south jersey that showed up one tryout a real good keeper but wont make the trip to practice for odp--why do you thing they wait three weeks to put up list---trying to round up more or better players--its a joke--- thats why manalapan and freehold teams can beat odp nj
I don't get your post?"meant to say is the quality of the regional team of ODP better than say the girls on the ECNL team....how about the National ODP team..can they compete with the girls on the ecnl team.?"Why are you comparing ODP to an ECNL Club team?The question is does the ODP Regional team stack up to the id2 pool of players?I would guess not.But it's good to have all these different avenues for kids with big dreams anyway.BoysMLS AcademyUS AcademyODP - USYSODP - Super YUS Club id2GirlsUS Club id2ODP - USYSODP - Super Y
Yes, it's good to have different paths, and on the boys side, not even half the boys are physically mature by age 16 (last time they can try out for ODP) so the only point is to grab the early puberty kids and try to teach them soccer.My son is a 97 and he has played with and against older players, even college players. He loves playing soccer and doesn't expect a scout to jump out of the bushes and offer him a contract. But in a few years, he'll likely be over 6' tall, fully muscled, and gain a lot more interest.Girls are a different story. Many are full height by age 13 - 15, so WYSIWYG in terms of physicality.
Anyone know if my son is a NJ resident but join an ENY team he would try out for NY or NJ ODP?
lives in NJ, should do NJ
When they said ODP tryout results would be posted after Labor Day, they didn't say Labor Day 2013...
September 15 results are supposed to be posted online.
welcome to boys NJ ODP it is like this every year ; no communication unless you know one of the evaluators personally ;)
For the love of god. Reach out and get the information instead of complain, complain, whine:https://www.facebook.com/pages/New-Jersey-Youth-Soccer-Association/140022801366?hc_location=timeline
still looking for more talented players, why have tryouts if july if your still looking for players in september. pick the team in april with a full tryoutthats why its odp the blind leading the blind
What makes you think that they are still looking for players? They had tryouts, and if you aren't at the tryouts you are out.
Why was there so many girls from PDA at the 99 and 00 tryouts? I thought they weren't allowed to try for ODP. Is PDA starting to go soft??
ODP can beat any Academy team any day.
What is taking them such a long time to post? First, it was Labor Day week now the 15th of September and everyone is still waiting. Very unprofessional of NJ Youth Soccer!
It is 9/16 does anyone know when and where they will post numbers? I know they are slow, but just tell us a date and stick to it.
It is 9/16, does anyone know where they will post the numbers. If they give you a date just adhere to this please. I don't think that is too much to ask for, does anyone else think the same.
Tryout results posted.No comments on any events before April final pool tryouts...
No comments meaning what? The boys usually go to the VA friendlies.
Congratulations to those that were chosen. To those that weren't, don't sweat it, they miss players all the time.
what comments? there are no events for the girls. nothing to comment on.
Girls only consist of 50% of the ODP group.
how funny is it that tryout result posted a day late, they have tryout numbers posted on the list that weren't at the tryouts. i thought you had to be there?????what a joke !!!!!!!ha ha
There are not numbers posted of players that were not there. Sorry you are so paranoid that you felt the need to write down EVERY number.
Actually, if there were players who automatically got in due to Region I pool selection, or the 1997 girls who won Region I, they listed numbers for them and they did not show up.The only thing I did not get is that they said 14 1997 boys of the 31 listed were "call-backs" from regional play, but the list had only 6 selected to regionals last year. Are they including national team players who play for academies now? I don't see how they would count in an initial state pool.
My son is new to ODP and my question is so now that the selections have been made what happens next? The only information posted on the site is the 2013-1014 events pdf which doesn't have anything prior to April 2014. Any input would be welcomed.
Boys do the Virginia Friendlies in Feb, but not sure if that is so this year.
Usually they will send out something about whether there is a December session. They aren't even asking at this point who is "accepting" their final pool spot, but when February comes around, they do ask for money for the VA friendlies so that shows interest level and how many are really in the initial pool.I can't imagine them not going to the VA friendlies, that has been consistent, but the December thing has been off and on for boys. They should send an email out before the end of the year, I expect.
In response to this:"Why was there so many girls from PDA at the 99 and 00 tryouts? I thought they weren't allowed to try for ODP. Is PDA starting to go soft??"PDA players are allowed to tryout out for ODP even the ones that are playing ECNL. Only boys academy players under US Soccer rules are not allowed. There was PDA player on the u-17 odp girls team last year that is going to UPENN next fall. A lot of the younger girls tryout since a lot of the D1 girls college coaches are on the ODP Staff.
ODp is so transparent( or desparate) they took all the girls from PDA. Town team girls, learn your lesson! If you dont play for PDA, you will not make ODP! Simple as that!
Town team Mom, you are wrong as my town team daughter and town team son both made ODP. Sorry your daughter was just not good enough in their eyes.
Agree, my "town team" daughter made it again. Only those who get cut, whine about this program. Is it worth the money, not really, but the experience is and if the kids want to do it, let them.
Town team mom; 2 of our girls 2001 made ODP. There was a nice turnout and the 2 girls that made it from our team are worthy of making the team. Your kid did not standout, or did not make as much of an effort as the others. We are ranked 8-12 in the state...
8:22, I wouldn't get all high and mighty with town team mom.most of the top boys were not at ODP. if they were, your son probably wouldn't have made it. last june's regional results proved that. ODP select players should walk all over a town team. what 2 ages were beaten by teams from Manalapan? sad but true!
Not sure how that was high and mighty but the reality is that there are some excellent players at ODP on the boys side. The issue is depth or lack of. ODP will admit to making mistakes 60% of the time (complete joke that they are ok with that), but there are a lot of factors that go into choices.SizeSpeedWho do you knowtechnical abilitydid you stand outdid you talkWere they watching when you did something goodwere they watching when you did something bad
I'm curious about people's honest opinions about the NJ girls ODP program at the u12 level (quality of program, selection process, training, etc). Because of where we live we have the option to tryout in the EPYSA ODP program or the NJ ODP program. Just curious if anyone can compare.
I stole this from another post (sorry). But it's part of what I've been saying for a few months now."16 out of 19 rostered players from U17 WNT from ECNL clubs."ODP is in an option for our kids - no doubt to help get to a school. Having said that The Boys Academy Teams will have the Top talent over any ODP team any day of the week. I'm talking about locations where both are an option (remember a MLS academy that is also a USSF academy is FREE).Now on the Girls side posters always claimed ODP was still the place to be because to colleges were not asking ECNL questions.With the u17 USWNT have 16 ECNL kids probably from id2 of the 19.Have ECNL Clubs and id2 moved ahead of ODP on the girls side as well?or Do you still believe"meant to say is the quality of the regional team of ODP better than say the girls on the ECNL team....how about the National ODP team..can they compete with the girls on the ecnl team.?"
how many of PDA O'Reilly do ODP(U15 or U16 depending)? A top team that has NEVER been beaten by another 98/99 NJ team. They don't need ODP. ECNL gets them the exposure they need. Why pay another 2K to play with lower level players in most cases?They would beat the ODP U15s. Probably the U16s too. I'd go to watch.
10:15 Okay PDA O'Reilly is great (I hope that makes you feel good)- not my point - Now Imagine taking the best players from that PDA team and the best players from other ECNL teams (that are better than the ones not taken from O'Reilly) to make up a very strong id2 Program.I think players from that id2 program will stand out a lot more than the ODP program for the same age.Who cares about money - some people are willing to pay some aren't - either way it's their choice.I'm talking about where the talent is across the country not just in Jersey that will make up our National teams.Not talking about a springboard to college, talking about OLYMPIC DEVELOPMENT
The ODP team quality is a combination of who shows up and what they think works, which can change from year to year. There is an older goalie who actually made regional, but absolutely no one in his age group has respect for him, and even the goalie on the B team at his club is much better. He has connections though and does great against little pressure.It would be wise if they actually tried to keep the best ODP players year to year, not just those who make the regional pool but at least a starting 11. Actually ask them to try out again, maybe guarantee spots.Obviously that could be abused, but there is a serious lack of retention on the boys side.
Why would anyone think that a top club team, one that has beaten several of the top teams in the country, would not beat an ODP team?Fusion is 96/97, the ODP team they played was 97 only. Fusion is going to Disney this year. ODP teams have no chance against club teams if they have six practices under their belt from April to June, and the club team had been together, two or three practices per week, and playing games since November.The main problem with the NJ ODP model is the refusal to accept that they could take what they have, which is players who are among the top 100 in the state but usually not among the top 20, and get to the final pool in December then have practices from January until the end of the program. They'd stop having the embarrassments at Virginia, the players would get to know each other, and if a practice was missed, there would be enough other ones not to have to make it up.Couldn't they ask for volunteer coaches to help out with practices, if the almighty dollar is the issue? I know club teams that are $500 per year, from November until July. How come it costs NJ ODP so much for a handful of practices?
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Why are there not older teams? 1997 is the oldest year, and that includes both sophomores and juniors.Does that mean than kids who turn 18 next year (1996) are not of interest to ODP? Why not cut it out at age 14 then?Pretty funny to add players who are 10 years old (a few would be 9 still). You think you can identify talent at that age? And you should consider regional practices for the youngest teams (before HS) in general. If there are North and South teams, why do they all practice in Trenton?
If 1996 played this year it would be a mixture of Juniors and seniors. My assumption is that they do not want that assuming that ODP is the "highest" level of talent and that these players will be leaving for college preseason during the summer in which the camp and tournament take place.
ODP just following the falling apart ecnl model. 1st it was ECNL at u-16 and above 6 years ago when ecnl started as an outstanding idea at the time until money and greed is slowly destroying it. So, now there is ecnl, junior ecnl, pre-ecnl and toddler ecnl. No matter what the program is,it is still all about the money. Someone has to pay for all those administrative assistants and office staffing in ecnl now. What ever happen to finding a great coach and wonderful development minded trainer at an affordable cost? Youth soccer is now a 6 billion $ a year business. Just to try to get that 1/4 or maybe even 1/2 soccer scholarship.
Thats funny, I thought EcNL moved to u14 because a percentage of girls start high school at this age. And pre ecnl is nothing but a name so that the u13's can follow the schedules of the older ecnl teams. These u13 teams no longer have to join other leagues.Cost structure has not changed.Silly Me!
So much time and money is spent on club, academies, coaching, and year round play, and it's important to also read/study the game. Playing better soccer starts with the mind, learning how to think and play. 95% of the game is moving without the ball, and the other 5% is about making the right decisions. I wrote a book called Soccer Intellect that teaches developing players how to turn their soccer skills into instinct on the pitch. It's a game of speed (mental and physical), and that can only be learned through match play. At each level it's a test to see how much quicker and concise your skills can get. There's no clear path, but education about the game can really make a difference.
Mental is important, but the best thing above poster said was,"CAN ONLY BE LEARNED FROM MATCH PLAY". How true !I assume that means actually playing in games(starting,or getting majority of playing time)
Your point? If your child is not getting enough play time then the coach is telling you something. Leave, find a team that is more within their ability level.
Parents need to accept that it doesn't matter if 7 billion other people think their kid is great, it is their coach who decides playing time for whatever reason. I've heard both "your son is not good enough" and "your son needs to sit so other kids can score". You can't win with some coaches.
Can't get recruited if not playing A LOT !Funny how the bench parents stick together and complain on the sidelines, while the starter parents are checking/returning emails from college coaches at the other end together. at u-15 and above.
Being new to ODP I am surprised to not see any updated information from NJYS on training/practices, etc. A quick look at nearby states it seems like NJYS is lagging behind as they all have published schedules. Is this normal? Do the teams practice in the winter? My son plans on continuing to play for his club and needs to figure out his commitments/schedule. Any input would be welcome.
Easy. Play and put ODP 2nd on your list.
NJYS sent out a boys ODP update with practices, over a week ago. Apparently on the second day of practice in December, the 98s will play the 99s and then play the 97s directly afterwards, wow...I don't know if they sent anything out for girls ODP yet. If you didn't get an email and your son did make ODP, you should contact NJYS about it. They want paperwork for any new players.
so I am curious. since the girls do absolutely nothing until the final tryout in April. do the boys pay more? the boys teams are set now? no second tryout?
Great thanks for the good post!
I posted the below on a different board also - I'm curious with 3 NPLs in the area, US club soccer has it's id2 for the national level. But they use their "Player Development Programs which are directly tied to NPL teams in their specific region. They invite the best players from those regional teams for an evaluation camp that lasts about a day and a half. The best players from those camps, sometimes scouted directly by the USSF, are then invited to the national id2 camp. "Will this weaken the R1 ODP pools? and how does the EDP TIP play out is it part of the PDP?Below are the ECNL/NPL clubsFC Copa Academy (NJ)Jersey United Spartans (NJ)Match Fit Academy FC (NJ)Morris United/STA (NJ)New Jersey Rush (NJ)NJ Crush (NJ)NJ Stallions Academy (NJ)NJ Wildcats (NJ)NJSA 04 (NJ)Parsippany SC (NJ)PDA (NJ)South Jersey Elite Barons (NJ)TSF Academy (NJ)Albertson SC (NY)Brentwood SC (NY)East Meadow SC (NY)HBC (NY)ISA (NY)Manhattan SC (NY)Massapequa SC (NY)New York Rush (NY)New York SC (NY)NY Rockland Sting (NY)Smithtown Kickers SC (NY)World Class FC (NY)Aztec Soccer (MA)Boston Breakers Academy (MA)FC Stars of Mass (MA)Mass Premier Soccer (MA)NEFC (MA) Connecticut FC (CT)Oakwood SC (CT)SoccerPlus Elite (CT)Yankee United (CT)Continental FC (PA)FC Bucks (PA)Lehigh Valley United (PA)Penn Fusion (PA)Seacoast United SC (NH)Maryland Rush (MD)
these are the only ECNL and NE NPL (pre-ECNL) in the northeast:North Division:•Albertson SC (N.Y.)•Boston Breakers Academy (Mass.)•Connecticut FC (Conn.)•East Meadow SC (N.Y.)•FC Stars of Mass (Mass.)•SoccerPlus Elite (Conn.) South Division:•FC Bucks (Pa.)•Match Fit Academy FC (N.J.)•PDA (N.J.)•Penn Fusion (Pa.)•World Class FC (N.Y.)all the other NJ teams you listed are in the New York club soccer league NPL. two different leagues and one doe s not play the other.many of the best players no longer do ODP because of ECNL. they just don't need it as a pathway to college.
There are only 3 ECNL clubs in NJ, PDA, WC, and MF.
For some reason I think of World Class as a NJ club, they are not. Matchfit and PDA are the only NJ ECNL clubs, and Matchfit is new this year.
All the clubs I listed are from an NPL league in the Northeast. The NE Girls NPL is for ECNL Club 2nd teams.My question was with all these clubs using the PDP/TIP programs to identify the best talent for id2 - what does this do the ODP player's pool on the Girls Side - Does it make it weaker? and what does it do the Boys side after you take out the Academy teams and that player pool? Is ODP on it's way out - Do you think people still view it the way they did 5 years ago?It's still an option, which is great (for all the kids not in an Academy Program or ECNL/NPL program that make it to id2). I'm just talking about the player pools and if it's still worth the extra cash us parents have to pay.
no, not all teams are in the NE NPL. NPL (pre-ECNL) teams as I listed them:http://nationalpremierleagues.com/NortheastGirls/Schedules/index_E.htmland the NEW YORK CLUB SOCCER LEAGUE, team web pagehttps://www.nyclubsoccerleague.com/html/npl/home/member_clubs_girls.aspno most people you speak to view ODP as watered down especially on the boys side. and yes, it gives player not on ECNL teams a chance they probably would not have otherwise.
PA final rosters out. Some ages Girls side dominated by ECNL clubs. Is that because of politics or are the ECNL clubs concentrating talent as predicted.
10:04 My bad - NE like Region 1 not NE Girls NPL.The Northeast has three NPLs1. NE Girls NPL (ecnl B Teams)2. NYCSL NPL3. EDP NPLAll three are Club based. The list I provided is for all the clubs in those 3 NPLs.10:07 I would think the Girls not selected to id2 would tryout for ODP - and since most of the top talent is going to ECNL clubs I think the ODP pool being flooded with girls from these clubs is as predicted.
PA ODP pool includes at least 4 kids in the 99s who have been to USSF U14WNT national camps (not odp national camp) Many were also chosen for id2. Seems like ODP still has its attraction even for top girls. Boys doesn't seem to be the case in PA and NJ
Okay So how exactly does this ODP Process work?You have a player who makes all the way to the National Pool for the u14 WNT. They don't get elected and as a u15 they have to start at the State Level again? Get Identified once more to move up to R1 before getting invited a 2nd time to the NT pool? If this is the process then what you said is expected every year. Regardless of ODP or id2 - If you start from scratch every year.For players that have the talent to play - if their club plays ECNL/NPL and id2 doesn't pick then ODP is an option of course ODP will still attract players.What do you think will happen after this year's u17 failure not to qualify. Do you think USSF will say enough is enough with ODP on the Girls side and create an Academy system for the Girls like on the boys side and if they ever do ECNL looks like the obvious starting point. Did any of you ever picture USA girls not getting out of CONCACAF? That is a huge punch in the face for ODP.
Uh you know the '93s did not qualify a couple of cycles ago. Same situation in that a CONCACAF host country getting one of the 3 CONCACAF spots. US goes out in the semis, I think to Canada that year. ODP will not respond to this, but I hope the USSF does. There were a couple of great technical kids on the U17 team most notably Mia Gyau who were great on the ball, but didn't see much of the field and when they did, they didn't have the support of enough high soccer IQ technical players to really shine. Specific example, Gyau lays the ball off as an outside forward (she also played outside back) expecting the outside back to overlap her. Outside back on her heels and there is a turnover. Outside back plays nearly every minute of every game despite obvious tactical and technical deficiencies, but she is tall and lightening fast. That is what the USSF should be looking at- how do we select the kids for the highest level based on a decision to play a style identifed as American. What is that style? They don't know and that it part of the problem. I wold suggest in a 433 that they look to play more technical attacking midfielders (maybe gyau at u20), with the fun to watch magic, and similarly smart wing backs and wing forwards. There is a place for typical American physicality in one of the 2 centerbacks and the d-mid. Also the athletic tall and fast American target forward probably still has a place. Just sayin...have fun with that
End goal is playing where? Give it a break.
11:34 Finally some soccer talk. Thank You. I couldn't agree more with you. But even so, two CONCACAF spots or one - it should be ours - we have so many registered players and we can't get out of an easy conference. That tells me ODP is a failure and the people selecting don't understand soccer.So if this has happened already maybe USSF does step in and starts up an Academy System like on the boys side for the serious soccer players and leaves ODP for the kids looking to get into college and the parents looking to save a buck or two.I'll take it a step further and say the Pros MLS and NWSL should get rid of the College draft and go 100% with the "homegrown" player rule. You find the player early on and bring them up through your academy system. I think we are getting closer to that.
Anyone know anything about the Maryland U15 (1999) team? Is it already set? Is there a new team every year? We have a tryout on Dec 4th at the Gaithersburg Sportsplex. My daughter plays on a Premiere Club team (HFC United) in Harford County, MD and played Varsity Soccer as a Freshman.
2014 Maryland State ODP (U13-U17) "Girls" Tryout ScheduleALL DATES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE (updated 8/28/2013)Players must attend at least one tryout session to be eligible for placement on a Maryland state ODP team roster. If a player is unable to attend any of the below tryout sessions they must register for tryouts and then notify the state office in writing (email@example.com) to receive a callback tryout in March/April, 2014.Additionally, all 2000 (U14) and 2001 (U13) players must select and attend two (2) (and only two) of the available tryout blocks.ALL dates, times and locations are subject to change. Please check this page often for changes in the tryout schedule.
Just go to Maryland ODP page
Most states have an outstanding ODP program and web site for info.Highly recommend it for u-15 Girls and above if interested in playing D1 soccer. Not a must or deal bracker, but another feather/achievement in the soccer resume and exposure/training.
Anyone know what time Sunday the cancellation was posted on the NJ Youth Soccer home page that 1999 training was cancelled on Sunday, Dec. 8th? I missed it and drove almost all the way to Moorestown.
VA Friendlies cost 150 pp. I have to assume that of the 234 boys chosen in the appropriate age groups that 75% will go. 177 x 150.00 a person = $26,325. Where does that money go?Why does it cost 150.00 per person?
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